[Texascavers] news from AMCS
The Association for Mexican Cave Studies has obtained a small supply of the 2011 book Las Cuevas de Yucatán: No. 1, La Región de Vallodolid, by Christian Thomas with contributions by Fátima Tec Pool, Carlos Evia Cervantes, and Yan Thomas. The book was published in France; there is also a French edition, which the AMCS does not carry. Publisher's price is €40. The AMCS price is $35 plus postage. See http://www.amcs-pubs.org/other/otherpubs.html for details about the book; there is a review on page 94 of Activities Newsletter 35. See http://www.amcs-pubs.org/finance/order.html for ordering information. It might be best to e-mail sales@amcs- pubs.org to reserve a copy before sending money, as we only have twenty-five copies at this point. The five volumes of the Association for Mexican Cave Studies Newsletter, 1965-1977 predecessor to the ongoing AMCS Activities Newsletter, are now on our web site as free PDF files. Also, free PDFs of numbers 1 through 20 of the Activities Newsletter (1975-1993) have also been put there. Numbers 11 through 20 are still available in print for those who want them. Links and price info are at http://www.amcs-pubs.org/nl/cat.html I will have two or three copies of Las Cuevas de Yucatán at grotto meeting tonight. Bring money. -- Bill Mixon Forgive your enemies . . . after they are hanged. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Bats in North Dallas: NBC News Local Affiliate
Stories like this have been all over the local Houston news most of the summer. Finally our furry flying friends are getting the proper attention they need - even if it's solely to help humans! -Original Message- From: R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com To: Cowtown Grotto e-mail list memb...@cowtowngrotto.org; List: Allcavers allcav...@metroplexcavers.org; Texascavers List texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: RD Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 12:26 am Subject: [Texascavers] Bats in North Dallas: NBC News Local Affiliate Short story that made the nbcnews.com feed tonight, written by local reporter Kevin Cokely. I find it hard to believe this is the first reference in the mainstream media to the positive effects of urban bat populations from the center of the West Nile Virus (North American) Universe. This should be a wakeup call for more bat houses and bat-friendly infrastructure. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49013703/ns/local_news-dallas_fort_worth_tx/#.UFFpK0KyxGM
[Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone?
Cave trip to Nepal, anyone: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/10/mustang-caves/richards-photography?source=email_photoutm_source=NatGeocomutm_medium=Emailutm_content=pom_20120918utm_campaign=Content julia -Original Message- From: National Geographic n...@e.nationalgeographic.com To: germanyj germa...@aol.com Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 6:33 am Subject: Photo of the Month -- September 2012 If you're having trouble viewing this email, see it on the Web. September 2012 PHOTO OF THE MONTH by Cory Richards,from the October 2012 story Sky Caves of Nepal Dusk in Mustang, Nepal Dusk falls over the temples and homes of Tsarang, once the most important town in Mustang. Here, cliffside caves offer clues to a time when the remote Himalayan kingdom was a hub linking Tibet to the rest of the world. Download this and hundreds of other wallpapers. Photo of the Day See a new picture every day, and download free wallpaper. 2012 National Geographic Photo Contest Browse recent entries and submit your best shot for a chance to win. Blood Ivory Take a look inside the illegal ivory trade and its tragic impact on elephants. Meso Amazing Discover the wondrous inhabitants of Central America's Mesoamerican reef system. Playing Rio Glamorous and glitzy, poverty-stricken and dangerous, see Rio de Janeiro as never before. Travel 365 Broaden your world view with this new daily feature, then share your favorites and join the discussion. Best of August See the most popular pictures from last month's Photo of the Day, featuring photos shot by our community. Food Photography Tips Add spice to your food pictures with tips from photographer Penny De Los Santos. NGM on Instagram See what our photographers are up to with daily pictures from the field. NGM Features Trees Weekly Wrapper Underwater Butterflies Maya Travel Autumn Scenes Pics We Love Wicked Weather Rishikesh Visions of Earth Browse through breathtaking visions of the world as seen through a photographer's eye.
Re: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone?
I have not been to this site, but they are most likely hand-dug shrines similar (though probably not as well decorated) as the Mogao Caves on the Silk Road (which I have been to) near Dunhuang, western China. They are probably not karst kinda caves. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/440 DirtDoc - Original Message - From: germa...@aol.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:42:09 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone? Cave trip to Nepal, anyone: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/10/mustang-caves/richards-photography?source=email_photoutm_source=NatGeocomutm_medium=Emailutm_content=pom_20120918utm_campaign=Content julia
Re: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone?
My favorite quote from one of the Nepal fotos: During a turbulent era 800 years ago, residents likely took refuge in caves, returning to the village generations later, after the region stabilized. “One good place to live, if you’re worried about your neighbors, is in caves,” says archaeologist Mark Aldenderfer. -Original Message- From: dirtdoc dirt...@comcast.net To: germanyj germa...@aol.com Cc: Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:26 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone? I have not been to this site, but they are most likely hand-dug shrines similar (though probably not as well decorated) as the Mogao Caves on the Silk Road (which I have been to) near Dunhuang, western China. They are probably not karst kinda caves. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/440 DirtDoc From: germa...@aol.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:42:09 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone? Cave trip to Nepal, anyone: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/10/mustang-caves/richards-photography?source=email_photoutm_source=NatGeocomutm_medium=Emailutm_content=pom_20120918utm_campaign=Content julia
[Texascavers] caves in GA?
Hi, guys I am wondering if anybody here knows some good Georgia Caves, with formations and wet? Thanks Regards -- Weimin
[Texascavers] Fwd: [National Speleological Society] Don't forget, NSS Webinar this evening... Bracken...
Don't forget about this Webinar tonight on the Bracken Cave Bat Flight! BE SURE TO CHECK THE TIME ZONE IT AIRS AND ADJUST ACCORDINGLY! -Original Message- From: Dean Wiseman notification+yo9=t...@facebookmail.com To: National Speleological Society natlspe...@groups.facebook.com Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:49 am Subject: [National Speleological Society] Don't forget, NSS Webinar this evening... Bracken... Dean Wiseman posted in National Speleological Society Dean Wiseman 11:48am Sep 18 Don't forget, NSS Webinar this evening... Bracken Cave Bat Flight! http://cavingnews.com/20120911-bracken-bat-cave-to-be-featured-in-live-webcast Caving News - Daily News for Cavers cavingnews.com Daily news and articles on caves, caving, speleology, karst and other information for cavers. View Post on Facebook · Edit Email Settings · Reply to this email to add a comment.
[SWR] Upcoming BLM cave closure document.
All, As many of you are aware, BLM has had a closure on 23 caves on public lands for the last 20 months. This closure is going to be looked at AGAIN in the next few months, and who knows what the decision will be. If nothing is done on the caving communities part, it will look the same - Caves will be closed for the next two years, again. I have brought the following documents to the attention of Chuck Schmidt, RFO Field Manager and Doug Burger, Pecos District Manager. They like what this could represent. I believe that a closure modified to look like the one that USFS region 2 is using is a step in the right direction to keeping caving relatively open, OK so you still have to decon. What the USFS's modified closure does different is it creates an exception to the closure for NSS CRF members doing any work related to a MOU with the USFS. BLM has a MOU with NSS. This might be the ticket for us cavers to have an easier time getting into closed caves. I am personally getting tired of doing battle with the White Nose Committee for every trip that goes to a closed cave. Something has to change. This USFS agreement gives the decision of which permits get approved back to the local USFS office. Pay close attention to exception 6 PDF of new closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5383210.pdf Web site for closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r2/home/?cid=stelprdb5386976 Working for BLM, I can't tell you what to do as the caving community, and I am already pulling many strings on this end. So, if the writing isn't already on the wall..then you should let Carl Pagano nominate you for something, (I hear he's good at that). Lastly, work with your local BLM office. The BLM Pecos District is the hub of NM caving. They want cavers caving! Please spread this information to anyone not on this email list. Knutt Peterson___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Upcoming BLM cave closure document.
Thanks, Knutt for the heads up. We knew this was coming but your e-mail focuses our attention on the topic. On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:04 PM, knutt peterson wrote: All, As many of you are aware, BLM has had a closure on 23 caves on public lands for the last 20 months. This closure is going to be looked at AGAIN in the next few months, and who knows what the decision will be. If nothing is done on the caving communities part, it will look the same - Caves will be closed for the next two years, again. I have brought the following documents to the attention of Chuck Schmidt, RFO Field Manager and Doug Burger, Pecos District Manager. They like what this could represent. I believe that a closure modified to look like the one that USFS region 2 is using is a step in the right direction to keeping caving relatively open, OK so you still have to decon. What the USFS's modified closure does different is it creates an exception to the closure for NSS CRF members doing any work related to a MOU with the USFS. BLM has a MOU with NSS. This might be the ticket for us cavers to have an easier time getting into closed caves. I am personally getting tired of doing battle with the White Nose Committee for every trip that goes to a closed cave. Something has to change. This USFS agreement gives the decision of which permits get approved back to the local USFS office. Pay close attention to exception 6 PDF of new closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5383210.pdf Web site for closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r2/home/?cid=stelprdb5386976 Working for BLM, I can't tell you what to do as the caving community, and I am already pulling many strings on this end. So, if the writing isn't already on the wall..then you should let Carl Pagano nominate you for something, (I hear he's good at that). Lastly, work with your local BLM office. The BLM Pecos District is the hub of NM caving. They want cavers caving! Please spread this information to anyone not on this email list. Knutt Peterson ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET Steve Peerman Project Director, Fort Stanton Cave Study Project fscsp.direc...@gmail.com ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Upcoming BLM cave closure document.
Hi Knutt, Good to hear from you. I understand how you're walking a tightrope regarding this. So what does this mean, that you have to tell them which caves don't have bats in them? Can you clarify this? As for nominating people, it's all in good fun, and there are a lot of good people who could be nominated for something, doesn't mean you have to accept! Take Care, Hope to see you at the Winter Tech. Carl…. On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:04 PM, knutt peterson wrote: All, As many of you are aware, BLM has had a closure on 23 caves on public lands for the last 20 months. This closure is going to be looked at AGAIN in the next few months, and who knows what the decision will be. If nothing is done on the caving communities part, it will look the same - Caves will be closed for the next two years, again. I have brought the following documents to the attention of Chuck Schmidt, RFO Field Manager and Doug Burger, Pecos District Manager. They like what this could represent. I believe that a closure modified to look like the one that USFS region 2 is using is a step in the right direction to keeping caving relatively open, OK so you still have to decon. What the USFS's modified closure does different is it creates an exception to the closure for NSS CRF members doing any work related to a MOU with the USFS. BLM has a MOU with NSS. This might be the ticket for us cavers to have an easier time getting into closed caves. I am personally getting tired of doing battle with the White Nose Committee for every trip that goes to a closed cave. Something has to change. This USFS agreement gives the decision of which permits get approved back to the local USFS office. Pay close attention to exception 6 PDF of new closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5383210.pdf Web site for closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r2/home/?cid=stelprdb5386976 Working for BLM, I can't tell you what to do as the caving community, and I am already pulling many strings on this end. So, if the writing isn't already on the wall..then you should let Carl Pagano nominate you for something, (I hear he's good at that). Lastly, work with your local BLM office. The BLM Pecos District is the hub of NM caving. They want cavers caving! Please spread this information to anyone not on this email list. Knutt Peterson ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
Hey all, Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing caving ! Thanks, Melissa
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page? There are 4 grottos listed: Baltimore Grotto in Fulton Frederick Grotto in Westminister Sligo Grotto in Millers Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a personal contact to get hold of. Have fun up there RD From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland Hey all, Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing caving ! Thanks, Melissa
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
Hi Lissa, I am a former Terxas caver now living in Virginia. I have many friends in the Baltimore Grotto. It is probably the most active of the ones R D mentioned. I can put you in touch with several people. They do many active exploration trips, including major vertical caves in WV. Let me know your interests and abilities and I'll introduce you. Mark Minton At 12:56 PM 9/18/2012, R D Milhollin wrote: Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page? There are 4 grottos listed: Baltimore Grotto in Fulton Frederick Grotto in Westminister Sligo Grotto in Millers Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a personal contact to get hold of. Have fun up there RD From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland Hey all, Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing caving ! Thanks, Melissa Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
Not only is the Baltimore Grotto the most active of the 4 grottos mentioned, but also since most the caving for the entire region is Done in WV / Western VA the DC, Baltimore, and PSC (Northern VA) Grottos (all very active) maintain a shared caving calendar and communicate events to each other. http://www.cavingclub.org/info/calendar/cal.pdf user/pass: calend/gocave For the more informal events make sure to get into the grottos mailing list. Note: VAR is happening this weekend, this is kind of like TCR with lots of caving and partying. I would highly recommend going. -Brian On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: Hi Lissa, I am a former Terxas caver now living in Virginia. I have many friends in the Baltimore Grotto. It is probably the most active of the ones R D mentioned. I can put you in touch with several people. They do many active exploration trips, including major vertical caves in WV. Let me know your interests and abilities and I'll introduce you. Mark Minton At 12:56 PM 9/18/2012, R D Milhollin wrote: Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page? There are 4 grottos listed: Baltimore Grotto in Fulton Frederick Grotto in Westminister Sligo Grotto in Millers Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a personal contact to get hold of. Have fun up there RD From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland Hey all, Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing caving ! Thanks, Melissa Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] news from AMCS
The Association for Mexican Cave Studies has obtained a small supply of the 2011 book Las Cuevas de Yucatán: No. 1, La Región de Vallodolid, by Christian Thomas with contributions by Fátima Tec Pool, Carlos Evia Cervantes, and Yan Thomas. The book was published in France; there is also a French edition, which the AMCS does not carry. Publisher's price is €40. The AMCS price is $35 plus postage. See http://www.amcs-pubs.org/other/otherpubs.html for details about the book; there is a review on page 94 of Activities Newsletter 35. See http://www.amcs-pubs.org/finance/order.html for ordering information. It might be best to e-mail sales@amcs- pubs.org to reserve a copy before sending money, as we only have twenty-five copies at this point. The five volumes of the Association for Mexican Cave Studies Newsletter, 1965-1977 predecessor to the ongoing AMCS Activities Newsletter, are now on our web site as free PDF files. Also, free PDFs of numbers 1 through 20 of the Activities Newsletter (1975-1993) have also been put there. Numbers 11 through 20 are still available in print for those who want them. Links and price info are at http://www.amcs-pubs.org/nl/cat.html I will have two or three copies of Las Cuevas de Yucatán at grotto meeting tonight. Bring money. -- Bill Mixon Forgive your enemies . . . after they are hanged. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 18 Sep 2012 15:42:11 -0000 Issue 1628
texascavers Digest 18 Sep 2012 15:42:11 - Issue 1628 Topics (messages 20709 through 20713): Re: UT Grotto Meeting - Wed Sept 19 20709 by: Preston Forsythe Request for officers for 2013 - The TSA Wants YOU To Volunteer! 20710 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com Texas Caver Reunion 2012...one month away!! 20711 by: ellie watson news from AMCS 20712 by: Mixon Bill Cave trip to Nepal, anyone? 20713 by: germanyj.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Hey Ben and crew. Please video this presentation so we can see it someday. Preston === - Original Message - From: Gary Franklin To: Cavers Texas Cc: Ben Tobin Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:26 AM Subject: [Texascavers] UT Grotto Meeting - Wed Sept 19 Howdy Caver, You are cordially invited to attend the next UT Grotto meeting - Wednesday September 19th from 7:45PM- 9:00PM University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall (156 West 24th Street, Austin TX 78712) http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html Ben Tobin will present the Program - CAVING IN THE BOB MARSHALL WILDERNESS An expedition in July 2012 to the Turtlehead Mountain karst in the Bob Marshall Wilderness of Montana focused on mapping and exploring some of the deeper caves in the continental US. Come out for the fun and fellowship with Austin Texas Cavers. We will even have Bob Marshall in Attendance !!! For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see www.utgrotto.org Officer contact, trip reports, event calendar, and new caver training links to beginner trips or vertical rope training are available. Before the meeting, take advantage of Sao Paulo www.saopaulos.net for happy hour specials. This area is the best place to park and meet folks walking over to the meeting. Then after the official meeting, we continue with the decades long tradition to reconvene for burgers, beer, and tall tales of caving at Posse East. www.posse-east.com The UT Grotto Program calendar is wide open and needs you, the caver with photos and a story to share about your adventures, scientific research, or something else really cool. Scan those photos from back in the day and share those times that you would love to re-live. Contact me to get your place in the spot light. See you there, Gary Franklin UT Grotto Vice Chair Program Organizer 512-585-6057 caver.g...@gmail.com Ben Tobin bt1...@txstate.edu---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- (Borrowing from one of Ron Ralph's excellent past emails from when he was the TSA Nominations Chair). Cavers: It is once again time to consider running for office. The Texas Speleological Association needs your hat in the ring for the 2013 election at the Texas Caver Reunion. The positions are for one year and duties are outlined below. Knowing your reluctance to volunteer for any position, I am asking your friends (ha!) to suggest to me that you will be a fine candidate. I will then contact you and ask if you will run and serve. Our present officers (2012) are: President - Don Arburn (standing, unless someone REALLY wants to run) Vice-President - Ellie Watson (OPEN. Ellie is standing down, after many years of superb service to the TSA). Secretary - Denise Prendergast (OPEN. Denise is standing down, after many years of excellent record keeping for the TSA). Treasurer - Michael Cicherski (standing, unless someone REALLY wants to run) This is the first call for nominations. Please respond with your thoughts on possible candidates at your earliest convenience. Sincerely, Mark Alman, TSA Elections Committee Chair September 17, 2012 214-289-9181 - Cell Duties of TSA Officers Nominations for TSA officers are in progress. This page is an excerpt from the TSA Constitution describing the duties of TSA Officers. Article IV: Officers A. The Executive Council consists of the Chairman, Vice-Chairman, Secretary, Treasurer and the Chair of each standing committee. Elected officers shall take office on the first day of the New Year. 1. The Chairman, when present, shall preside over all TSA meetings. 2. The Vice-Chairman is responsible for meeting and program arrangements and shall preside at TSA meeting is the absence of the Chairman. 3. The Secretary records the minutes of TSA meetings and maintains a current list of members. 4. The Treasurer keeps track of TSA assets by maintaining adequate financial records, including those for The Texas Caver. The Treasurer prepares a budget for the fiscal year, maintains the membership database, and
Re: [Texascavers] Bats in North Dallas: NBC News Local Affiliate
Stories like this have been all over the local Houston news most of the summer. Finally our furry flying friends are getting the proper attention they need - even if it's solely to help humans! -Original Message- From: R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com To: Cowtown Grotto e-mail list memb...@cowtowngrotto.org; List: Allcavers allcav...@metroplexcavers.org; Texascavers List texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: RD Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 12:26 am Subject: [Texascavers] Bats in North Dallas: NBC News Local Affiliate Short story that made the nbcnews.com feed tonight, written by local reporter Kevin Cokely. I find it hard to believe this is the first reference in the mainstream media to the positive effects of urban bat populations from the center of the West Nile Virus (North American) Universe. This should be a wakeup call for more bat houses and bat-friendly infrastructure. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49013703/ns/local_news-dallas_fort_worth_tx/#.UFFpK0KyxGM
[Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone?
Cave trip to Nepal, anyone: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/10/mustang-caves/richards-photography?source=email_photoutm_source=NatGeocomutm_medium=Emailutm_content=pom_20120918utm_campaign=Content julia -Original Message- From: National Geographic n...@e.nationalgeographic.com To: germanyj germa...@aol.com Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 6:33 am Subject: Photo of the Month -- September 2012 If you're having trouble viewing this email, see it on the Web. September 2012 PHOTO OF THE MONTH by Cory Richards,from the October 2012 story Sky Caves of Nepal Dusk in Mustang, Nepal Dusk falls over the temples and homes of Tsarang, once the most important town in Mustang. Here, cliffside caves offer clues to a time when the remote Himalayan kingdom was a hub linking Tibet to the rest of the world. Download this and hundreds of other wallpapers. Photo of the Day See a new picture every day, and download free wallpaper. 2012 National Geographic Photo Contest Browse recent entries and submit your best shot for a chance to win. Blood Ivory Take a look inside the illegal ivory trade and its tragic impact on elephants. Meso Amazing Discover the wondrous inhabitants of Central America's Mesoamerican reef system. Playing Rio Glamorous and glitzy, poverty-stricken and dangerous, see Rio de Janeiro as never before. Travel 365 Broaden your world view with this new daily feature, then share your favorites and join the discussion. Best of August See the most popular pictures from last month's Photo of the Day, featuring photos shot by our community. Food Photography Tips Add spice to your food pictures with tips from photographer Penny De Los Santos. NGM on Instagram See what our photographers are up to with daily pictures from the field. NGM Features Trees Weekly Wrapper Underwater Butterflies Maya Travel Autumn Scenes Pics We Love Wicked Weather Rishikesh Visions of Earth Browse through breathtaking visions of the world as seen through a photographer's eye.
Re: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone?
I have not been to this site, but they are most likely hand-dug shrines similar (though probably not as well decorated) as the Mogao Caves on the Silk Road (which I have been to) near Dunhuang, western China. They are probably not karst kinda caves. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/440 DirtDoc - Original Message - From: germa...@aol.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:42:09 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone? Cave trip to Nepal, anyone: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/10/mustang-caves/richards-photography?source=email_photoutm_source=NatGeocomutm_medium=Emailutm_content=pom_20120918utm_campaign=Content julia
Re: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone?
My favorite quote from one of the Nepal fotos: During a turbulent era 800 years ago, residents likely took refuge in caves, returning to the village generations later, after the region stabilized. “One good place to live, if you’re worried about your neighbors, is in caves,” says archaeologist Mark Aldenderfer. -Original Message- From: dirtdoc dirt...@comcast.net To: germanyj germa...@aol.com Cc: Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:26 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone? I have not been to this site, but they are most likely hand-dug shrines similar (though probably not as well decorated) as the Mogao Caves on the Silk Road (which I have been to) near Dunhuang, western China. They are probably not karst kinda caves. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/440 DirtDoc From: germa...@aol.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:42:09 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone? Cave trip to Nepal, anyone: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/10/mustang-caves/richards-photography?source=email_photoutm_source=NatGeocomutm_medium=Emailutm_content=pom_20120918utm_campaign=Content julia
[Texascavers] caves in GA?
Hi, guys I am wondering if anybody here knows some good Georgia Caves, with formations and wet? Thanks Regards -- Weimin
[Texascavers] Fwd: [National Speleological Society] Don't forget, NSS Webinar this evening... Bracken...
Don't forget about this Webinar tonight on the Bracken Cave Bat Flight! BE SURE TO CHECK THE TIME ZONE IT AIRS AND ADJUST ACCORDINGLY! -Original Message- From: Dean Wiseman notification+yo9=t...@facebookmail.com To: National Speleological Society natlspe...@groups.facebook.com Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:49 am Subject: [National Speleological Society] Don't forget, NSS Webinar this evening... Bracken... Dean Wiseman posted in National Speleological Society Dean Wiseman 11:48am Sep 18 Don't forget, NSS Webinar this evening... Bracken Cave Bat Flight! http://cavingnews.com/20120911-bracken-bat-cave-to-be-featured-in-live-webcast Caving News - Daily News for Cavers cavingnews.com Daily news and articles on caves, caving, speleology, karst and other information for cavers. View Post on Facebook · Edit Email Settings · Reply to this email to add a comment.
[SWR] Upcoming BLM cave closure document.
All, As many of you are aware, BLM has had a closure on 23 caves on public lands for the last 20 months. This closure is going to be looked at AGAIN in the next few months, and who knows what the decision will be. If nothing is done on the caving communities part, it will look the same - Caves will be closed for the next two years, again. I have brought the following documents to the attention of Chuck Schmidt, RFO Field Manager and Doug Burger, Pecos District Manager. They like what this could represent. I believe that a closure modified to look like the one that USFS region 2 is using is a step in the right direction to keeping caving relatively open, OK so you still have to decon. What the USFS's modified closure does different is it creates an exception to the closure for NSS CRF members doing any work related to a MOU with the USFS. BLM has a MOU with NSS. This might be the ticket for us cavers to have an easier time getting into closed caves. I am personally getting tired of doing battle with the White Nose Committee for every trip that goes to a closed cave. Something has to change. This USFS agreement gives the decision of which permits get approved back to the local USFS office. Pay close attention to exception 6 PDF of new closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5383210.pdf Web site for closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r2/home/?cid=stelprdb5386976 Working for BLM, I can't tell you what to do as the caving community, and I am already pulling many strings on this end. So, if the writing isn't already on the wall..then you should let Carl Pagano nominate you for something, (I hear he's good at that). Lastly, work with your local BLM office. The BLM Pecos District is the hub of NM caving. They want cavers caving! Please spread this information to anyone not on this email list. Knutt Peterson___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Upcoming BLM cave closure document.
Thanks, Knutt for the heads up. We knew this was coming but your e-mail focuses our attention on the topic. On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:04 PM, knutt peterson wrote: All, As many of you are aware, BLM has had a closure on 23 caves on public lands for the last 20 months. This closure is going to be looked at AGAIN in the next few months, and who knows what the decision will be. If nothing is done on the caving communities part, it will look the same - Caves will be closed for the next two years, again. I have brought the following documents to the attention of Chuck Schmidt, RFO Field Manager and Doug Burger, Pecos District Manager. They like what this could represent. I believe that a closure modified to look like the one that USFS region 2 is using is a step in the right direction to keeping caving relatively open, OK so you still have to decon. What the USFS's modified closure does different is it creates an exception to the closure for NSS CRF members doing any work related to a MOU with the USFS. BLM has a MOU with NSS. This might be the ticket for us cavers to have an easier time getting into closed caves. I am personally getting tired of doing battle with the White Nose Committee for every trip that goes to a closed cave. Something has to change. This USFS agreement gives the decision of which permits get approved back to the local USFS office. Pay close attention to exception 6 PDF of new closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5383210.pdf Web site for closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r2/home/?cid=stelprdb5386976 Working for BLM, I can't tell you what to do as the caving community, and I am already pulling many strings on this end. So, if the writing isn't already on the wall..then you should let Carl Pagano nominate you for something, (I hear he's good at that). Lastly, work with your local BLM office. The BLM Pecos District is the hub of NM caving. They want cavers caving! Please spread this information to anyone not on this email list. Knutt Peterson ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET Steve Peerman Project Director, Fort Stanton Cave Study Project fscsp.direc...@gmail.com ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Upcoming BLM cave closure document.
Hi Knutt, Good to hear from you. I understand how you're walking a tightrope regarding this. So what does this mean, that you have to tell them which caves don't have bats in them? Can you clarify this? As for nominating people, it's all in good fun, and there are a lot of good people who could be nominated for something, doesn't mean you have to accept! Take Care, Hope to see you at the Winter Tech. Carl…. On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:04 PM, knutt peterson wrote: All, As many of you are aware, BLM has had a closure on 23 caves on public lands for the last 20 months. This closure is going to be looked at AGAIN in the next few months, and who knows what the decision will be. If nothing is done on the caving communities part, it will look the same - Caves will be closed for the next two years, again. I have brought the following documents to the attention of Chuck Schmidt, RFO Field Manager and Doug Burger, Pecos District Manager. They like what this could represent. I believe that a closure modified to look like the one that USFS region 2 is using is a step in the right direction to keeping caving relatively open, OK so you still have to decon. What the USFS's modified closure does different is it creates an exception to the closure for NSS CRF members doing any work related to a MOU with the USFS. BLM has a MOU with NSS. This might be the ticket for us cavers to have an easier time getting into closed caves. I am personally getting tired of doing battle with the White Nose Committee for every trip that goes to a closed cave. Something has to change. This USFS agreement gives the decision of which permits get approved back to the local USFS office. Pay close attention to exception 6 PDF of new closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5383210.pdf Web site for closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r2/home/?cid=stelprdb5386976 Working for BLM, I can't tell you what to do as the caving community, and I am already pulling many strings on this end. So, if the writing isn't already on the wall..then you should let Carl Pagano nominate you for something, (I hear he's good at that). Lastly, work with your local BLM office. The BLM Pecos District is the hub of NM caving. They want cavers caving! Please spread this information to anyone not on this email list. Knutt Peterson ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
Hey all, Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing caving ! Thanks, Melissa
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page? There are 4 grottos listed: Baltimore Grotto in Fulton Frederick Grotto in Westminister Sligo Grotto in Millers Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a personal contact to get hold of. Have fun up there RD From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland Hey all, Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing caving ! Thanks, Melissa
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
Hi Lissa, I am a former Terxas caver now living in Virginia. I have many friends in the Baltimore Grotto. It is probably the most active of the ones R D mentioned. I can put you in touch with several people. They do many active exploration trips, including major vertical caves in WV. Let me know your interests and abilities and I'll introduce you. Mark Minton At 12:56 PM 9/18/2012, R D Milhollin wrote: Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page? There are 4 grottos listed: Baltimore Grotto in Fulton Frederick Grotto in Westminister Sligo Grotto in Millers Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a personal contact to get hold of. Have fun up there RD From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland Hey all, Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing caving ! Thanks, Melissa Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
Not only is the Baltimore Grotto the most active of the 4 grottos mentioned, but also since most the caving for the entire region is Done in WV / Western VA the DC, Baltimore, and PSC (Northern VA) Grottos (all very active) maintain a shared caving calendar and communicate events to each other. http://www.cavingclub.org/info/calendar/cal.pdf user/pass: calend/gocave For the more informal events make sure to get into the grottos mailing list. Note: VAR is happening this weekend, this is kind of like TCR with lots of caving and partying. I would highly recommend going. -Brian On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: Hi Lissa, I am a former Terxas caver now living in Virginia. I have many friends in the Baltimore Grotto. It is probably the most active of the ones R D mentioned. I can put you in touch with several people. They do many active exploration trips, including major vertical caves in WV. Let me know your interests and abilities and I'll introduce you. Mark Minton At 12:56 PM 9/18/2012, R D Milhollin wrote: Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page? There are 4 grottos listed: Baltimore Grotto in Fulton Frederick Grotto in Westminister Sligo Grotto in Millers Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a personal contact to get hold of. Have fun up there RD From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland Hey all, Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing caving ! Thanks, Melissa Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] news from AMCS
The Association for Mexican Cave Studies has obtained a small supply of the 2011 book Las Cuevas de Yucatán: No. 1, La Región de Vallodolid, by Christian Thomas with contributions by Fátima Tec Pool, Carlos Evia Cervantes, and Yan Thomas. The book was published in France; there is also a French edition, which the AMCS does not carry. Publisher's price is €40. The AMCS price is $35 plus postage. See http://www.amcs-pubs.org/other/otherpubs.html for details about the book; there is a review on page 94 of Activities Newsletter 35. See http://www.amcs-pubs.org/finance/order.html for ordering information. It might be best to e-mail sales@amcs- pubs.org to reserve a copy before sending money, as we only have twenty-five copies at this point. The five volumes of the Association for Mexican Cave Studies Newsletter, 1965-1977 predecessor to the ongoing AMCS Activities Newsletter, are now on our web site as free PDF files. Also, free PDFs of numbers 1 through 20 of the Activities Newsletter (1975-1993) have also been put there. Numbers 11 through 20 are still available in print for those who want them. Links and price info are at http://www.amcs-pubs.org/nl/cat.html I will have two or three copies of Las Cuevas de Yucatán at grotto meeting tonight. Bring money. -- Bill Mixon Forgive your enemies . . . after they are hanged. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 18 Sep 2012 15:42:11 -0000 Issue 1628
texascavers Digest 18 Sep 2012 15:42:11 - Issue 1628 Topics (messages 20709 through 20713): Re: UT Grotto Meeting - Wed Sept 19 20709 by: Preston Forsythe Request for officers for 2013 - The TSA Wants YOU To Volunteer! 20710 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com Texas Caver Reunion 2012...one month away!! 20711 by: ellie watson news from AMCS 20712 by: Mixon Bill Cave trip to Nepal, anyone? 20713 by: germanyj.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Hey Ben and crew. Please video this presentation so we can see it someday. Preston === - Original Message - From: Gary Franklin To: Cavers Texas Cc: Ben Tobin Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:26 AM Subject: [Texascavers] UT Grotto Meeting - Wed Sept 19 Howdy Caver, You are cordially invited to attend the next UT Grotto meeting - Wednesday September 19th from 7:45PM- 9:00PM University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall (156 West 24th Street, Austin TX 78712) http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html Ben Tobin will present the Program - CAVING IN THE BOB MARSHALL WILDERNESS An expedition in July 2012 to the Turtlehead Mountain karst in the Bob Marshall Wilderness of Montana focused on mapping and exploring some of the deeper caves in the continental US. Come out for the fun and fellowship with Austin Texas Cavers. We will even have Bob Marshall in Attendance !!! For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see www.utgrotto.org Officer contact, trip reports, event calendar, and new caver training links to beginner trips or vertical rope training are available. Before the meeting, take advantage of Sao Paulo www.saopaulos.net for happy hour specials. This area is the best place to park and meet folks walking over to the meeting. Then after the official meeting, we continue with the decades long tradition to reconvene for burgers, beer, and tall tales of caving at Posse East. www.posse-east.com The UT Grotto Program calendar is wide open and needs you, the caver with photos and a story to share about your adventures, scientific research, or something else really cool. Scan those photos from back in the day and share those times that you would love to re-live. Contact me to get your place in the spot light. See you there, Gary Franklin UT Grotto Vice Chair Program Organizer 512-585-6057 caver.g...@gmail.com Ben Tobin bt1...@txstate.edu---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- (Borrowing from one of Ron Ralph's excellent past emails from when he was the TSA Nominations Chair). Cavers: It is once again time to consider running for office. The Texas Speleological Association needs your hat in the ring for the 2013 election at the Texas Caver Reunion. The positions are for one year and duties are outlined below. Knowing your reluctance to volunteer for any position, I am asking your friends (ha!) to suggest to me that you will be a fine candidate. I will then contact you and ask if you will run and serve. Our present officers (2012) are: President - Don Arburn (standing, unless someone REALLY wants to run) Vice-President - Ellie Watson (OPEN. Ellie is standing down, after many years of superb service to the TSA). Secretary - Denise Prendergast (OPEN. Denise is standing down, after many years of excellent record keeping for the TSA). Treasurer - Michael Cicherski (standing, unless someone REALLY wants to run) This is the first call for nominations. Please respond with your thoughts on possible candidates at your earliest convenience. Sincerely, Mark Alman, TSA Elections Committee Chair September 17, 2012 214-289-9181 - Cell Duties of TSA Officers Nominations for TSA officers are in progress. This page is an excerpt from the TSA Constitution describing the duties of TSA Officers. Article IV: Officers A. The Executive Council consists of the Chairman, Vice-Chairman, Secretary, Treasurer and the Chair of each standing committee. Elected officers shall take office on the first day of the New Year. 1. The Chairman, when present, shall preside over all TSA meetings. 2. The Vice-Chairman is responsible for meeting and program arrangements and shall preside at TSA meeting is the absence of the Chairman. 3. The Secretary records the minutes of TSA meetings and maintains a current list of members. 4. The Treasurer keeps track of TSA assets by maintaining adequate financial records, including those for The Texas Caver. The Treasurer prepares a budget for the fiscal year, maintains the membership database, and
Re: [Texascavers] Bats in North Dallas: NBC News Local Affiliate
Stories like this have been all over the local Houston news most of the summer. Finally our furry flying friends are getting the proper attention they need - even if it's solely to help humans! -Original Message- From: R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com To: Cowtown Grotto e-mail list memb...@cowtowngrotto.org; List: Allcavers allcav...@metroplexcavers.org; Texascavers List texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: RD Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 12:26 am Subject: [Texascavers] Bats in North Dallas: NBC News Local Affiliate Short story that made the nbcnews.com feed tonight, written by local reporter Kevin Cokely. I find it hard to believe this is the first reference in the mainstream media to the positive effects of urban bat populations from the center of the West Nile Virus (North American) Universe. This should be a wakeup call for more bat houses and bat-friendly infrastructure. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49013703/ns/local_news-dallas_fort_worth_tx/#.UFFpK0KyxGM
[Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone?
Cave trip to Nepal, anyone: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/10/mustang-caves/richards-photography?source=email_photoutm_source=NatGeocomutm_medium=Emailutm_content=pom_20120918utm_campaign=Content julia -Original Message- From: National Geographic n...@e.nationalgeographic.com To: germanyj germa...@aol.com Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 6:33 am Subject: Photo of the Month -- September 2012 If you're having trouble viewing this email, see it on the Web. September 2012 PHOTO OF THE MONTH by Cory Richards,from the October 2012 story Sky Caves of Nepal Dusk in Mustang, Nepal Dusk falls over the temples and homes of Tsarang, once the most important town in Mustang. Here, cliffside caves offer clues to a time when the remote Himalayan kingdom was a hub linking Tibet to the rest of the world. Download this and hundreds of other wallpapers. Photo of the Day See a new picture every day, and download free wallpaper. 2012 National Geographic Photo Contest Browse recent entries and submit your best shot for a chance to win. Blood Ivory Take a look inside the illegal ivory trade and its tragic impact on elephants. Meso Amazing Discover the wondrous inhabitants of Central America's Mesoamerican reef system. Playing Rio Glamorous and glitzy, poverty-stricken and dangerous, see Rio de Janeiro as never before. Travel 365 Broaden your world view with this new daily feature, then share your favorites and join the discussion. Best of August See the most popular pictures from last month's Photo of the Day, featuring photos shot by our community. Food Photography Tips Add spice to your food pictures with tips from photographer Penny De Los Santos. NGM on Instagram See what our photographers are up to with daily pictures from the field. NGM Features Trees Weekly Wrapper Underwater Butterflies Maya Travel Autumn Scenes Pics We Love Wicked Weather Rishikesh Visions of Earth Browse through breathtaking visions of the world as seen through a photographer's eye.
Re: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone?
I have not been to this site, but they are most likely hand-dug shrines similar (though probably not as well decorated) as the Mogao Caves on the Silk Road (which I have been to) near Dunhuang, western China. They are probably not karst kinda caves. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/440 DirtDoc - Original Message - From: germa...@aol.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:42:09 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone? Cave trip to Nepal, anyone: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/10/mustang-caves/richards-photography?source=email_photoutm_source=NatGeocomutm_medium=Emailutm_content=pom_20120918utm_campaign=Content julia
Re: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone?
My favorite quote from one of the Nepal fotos: During a turbulent era 800 years ago, residents likely took refuge in caves, returning to the village generations later, after the region stabilized. “One good place to live, if you’re worried about your neighbors, is in caves,” says archaeologist Mark Aldenderfer. -Original Message- From: dirtdoc dirt...@comcast.net To: germanyj germa...@aol.com Cc: Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:26 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone? I have not been to this site, but they are most likely hand-dug shrines similar (though probably not as well decorated) as the Mogao Caves on the Silk Road (which I have been to) near Dunhuang, western China. They are probably not karst kinda caves. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/440 DirtDoc From: germa...@aol.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:42:09 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Cave trip to Nepal, anyone? Cave trip to Nepal, anyone: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/10/mustang-caves/richards-photography?source=email_photoutm_source=NatGeocomutm_medium=Emailutm_content=pom_20120918utm_campaign=Content julia
[Texascavers] caves in GA?
Hi, guys I am wondering if anybody here knows some good Georgia Caves, with formations and wet? Thanks Regards -- Weimin
[SWR] Upcoming BLM cave closure document.
All, As many of you are aware, BLM has had a closure on 23 caves on public lands for the last 20 months. This closure is going to be looked at AGAIN in the next few months, and who knows what the decision will be. If nothing is done on the caving communities part, it will look the same - Caves will be closed for the next two years, again. I have brought the following documents to the attention of Chuck Schmidt, RFO Field Manager and Doug Burger, Pecos District Manager. They like what this could represent. I believe that a closure modified to look like the one that USFS region 2 is using is a step in the right direction to keeping caving relatively open, OK so you still have to decon. What the USFS's modified closure does different is it creates an exception to the closure for NSS CRF members doing any work related to a MOU with the USFS. BLM has a MOU with NSS. This might be the ticket for us cavers to have an easier time getting into closed caves. I am personally getting tired of doing battle with the White Nose Committee for every trip that goes to a closed cave. Something has to change. This USFS agreement gives the decision of which permits get approved back to the local USFS office. Pay close attention to exception 6 PDF of new closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5383210.pdf Web site for closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r2/home/?cid=stelprdb5386976 Working for BLM, I can't tell you what to do as the caving community, and I am already pulling many strings on this end. So, if the writing isn't already on the wall..then you should let Carl Pagano nominate you for something, (I hear he's good at that). Lastly, work with your local BLM office. The BLM Pecos District is the hub of NM caving. They want cavers caving! Please spread this information to anyone not on this email list. Knutt Peterson___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Upcoming BLM cave closure document.
Thanks, Knutt for the heads up. We knew this was coming but your e-mail focuses our attention on the topic. On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:04 PM, knutt peterson wrote: All, As many of you are aware, BLM has had a closure on 23 caves on public lands for the last 20 months. This closure is going to be looked at AGAIN in the next few months, and who knows what the decision will be. If nothing is done on the caving communities part, it will look the same - Caves will be closed for the next two years, again. I have brought the following documents to the attention of Chuck Schmidt, RFO Field Manager and Doug Burger, Pecos District Manager. They like what this could represent. I believe that a closure modified to look like the one that USFS region 2 is using is a step in the right direction to keeping caving relatively open, OK so you still have to decon. What the USFS's modified closure does different is it creates an exception to the closure for NSS CRF members doing any work related to a MOU with the USFS. BLM has a MOU with NSS. This might be the ticket for us cavers to have an easier time getting into closed caves. I am personally getting tired of doing battle with the White Nose Committee for every trip that goes to a closed cave. Something has to change. This USFS agreement gives the decision of which permits get approved back to the local USFS office. Pay close attention to exception 6 PDF of new closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5383210.pdf Web site for closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r2/home/?cid=stelprdb5386976 Working for BLM, I can't tell you what to do as the caving community, and I am already pulling many strings on this end. So, if the writing isn't already on the wall..then you should let Carl Pagano nominate you for something, (I hear he's good at that). Lastly, work with your local BLM office. The BLM Pecos District is the hub of NM caving. They want cavers caving! Please spread this information to anyone not on this email list. Knutt Peterson ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET Steve Peerman Project Director, Fort Stanton Cave Study Project fscsp.direc...@gmail.com ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Upcoming BLM cave closure document.
Hi Knutt, Good to hear from you. I understand how you're walking a tightrope regarding this. So what does this mean, that you have to tell them which caves don't have bats in them? Can you clarify this? As for nominating people, it's all in good fun, and there are a lot of good people who could be nominated for something, doesn't mean you have to accept! Take Care, Hope to see you at the Winter Tech. Carl…. On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:04 PM, knutt peterson wrote: All, As many of you are aware, BLM has had a closure on 23 caves on public lands for the last 20 months. This closure is going to be looked at AGAIN in the next few months, and who knows what the decision will be. If nothing is done on the caving communities part, it will look the same - Caves will be closed for the next two years, again. I have brought the following documents to the attention of Chuck Schmidt, RFO Field Manager and Doug Burger, Pecos District Manager. They like what this could represent. I believe that a closure modified to look like the one that USFS region 2 is using is a step in the right direction to keeping caving relatively open, OK so you still have to decon. What the USFS's modified closure does different is it creates an exception to the closure for NSS CRF members doing any work related to a MOU with the USFS. BLM has a MOU with NSS. This might be the ticket for us cavers to have an easier time getting into closed caves. I am personally getting tired of doing battle with the White Nose Committee for every trip that goes to a closed cave. Something has to change. This USFS agreement gives the decision of which permits get approved back to the local USFS office. Pay close attention to exception 6 PDF of new closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5383210.pdf Web site for closure order http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r2/home/?cid=stelprdb5386976 Working for BLM, I can't tell you what to do as the caving community, and I am already pulling many strings on this end. So, if the writing isn't already on the wall..then you should let Carl Pagano nominate you for something, (I hear he's good at that). Lastly, work with your local BLM office. The BLM Pecos District is the hub of NM caving. They want cavers caving! Please spread this information to anyone not on this email list. Knutt Peterson ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
Hey all, Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing caving ! Thanks, Melissa
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page? There are 4 grottos listed: Baltimore Grotto in Fulton Frederick Grotto in Westminister Sligo Grotto in Millers Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a personal contact to get hold of. Have fun up there RD From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland Hey all, Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing caving ! Thanks, Melissa
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
Hi Lissa, I am a former Terxas caver now living in Virginia. I have many friends in the Baltimore Grotto. It is probably the most active of the ones R D mentioned. I can put you in touch with several people. They do many active exploration trips, including major vertical caves in WV. Let me know your interests and abilities and I'll introduce you. Mark Minton At 12:56 PM 9/18/2012, R D Milhollin wrote: Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page? There are 4 grottos listed: Baltimore Grotto in Fulton Frederick Grotto in Westminister Sligo Grotto in Millers Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a personal contact to get hold of. Have fun up there RD From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland Hey all, Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing caving ! Thanks, Melissa Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
Not only is the Baltimore Grotto the most active of the 4 grottos mentioned, but also since most the caving for the entire region is Done in WV / Western VA the DC, Baltimore, and PSC (Northern VA) Grottos (all very active) maintain a shared caving calendar and communicate events to each other. http://www.cavingclub.org/info/calendar/cal.pdf user/pass: calend/gocave For the more informal events make sure to get into the grottos mailing list. Note: VAR is happening this weekend, this is kind of like TCR with lots of caving and partying. I would highly recommend going. -Brian On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: Hi Lissa, I am a former Terxas caver now living in Virginia. I have many friends in the Baltimore Grotto. It is probably the most active of the ones R D mentioned. I can put you in touch with several people. They do many active exploration trips, including major vertical caves in WV. Let me know your interests and abilities and I'll introduce you. Mark Minton At 12:56 PM 9/18/2012, R D Milhollin wrote: Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page? There are 4 grottos listed: Baltimore Grotto in Fulton Frederick Grotto in Westminister Sligo Grotto in Millers Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a personal contact to get hold of. Have fun up there RD From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland Hey all, Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing caving ! Thanks, Melissa Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com
