[Texascavers] The next Friends of Karst meeting...

[George Veni via Texascavers]

Dear Friends of Karst,

I'm happy to forward the message below from Matt Covington. Please contact him 
if you have any questions.

Of course, feel free to share this message.

George



This is the announcement of a Friends of Karst (FOK) meeting planned for this 
fall in Arkansas. Most of you are familiar with FOK meetings held every year at 
GSA. However, there is an older tradition of FOK meetings that consist of a few 
days of camping, talks, field trips, and caving. I was unaware of this 
tradition myself until a couple of years ago when Albert Ogden hosted such a 
meeting. To carry on this tradition of karst scientists gathering in an 
informal setting to share what we're working on and interact in the field, I am 
hosting a FOK meeting from September 17-21 near the Buffalo River in Arkansas. 
We have a fabulous location near the confluence of the Buffalo and Little 
Buffalo Rivers in the heart of one of Arkansas' best caving areas.  You can 
register at the following link, and will find more information there.

 
http://www.planetReg.com/E7215159254426

More information will follow later to those who register, but also feel free to 
ask me if you have any specific questions or think a critical piece of info is 
missing from the registration site. Due to the constraints of our meeting site, 
and a desire to keep the meeting small and encourage interaction, there are a 
limited number of spaces available. So sign up soon if you want to assure 
yourself a spot.

I am sure I have missed some folks I should have included in this invitation, 
so feel free to send it on to people you think would be interested.

Matt
-
Matt Covington
Assistant Professor
Department of Geosciences
University of Arkansas
Ozark Hall
Fayetteville, AR 72701
webpage - http://www.speleophysics.com/
mcov...@uark.edu


George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

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Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

Hi Mark, Thank you for your suggestion. I agree, direct requests do work best, 
although even my direct requests have not always been  effective (a shameless 
push of buttons on the guilty here).  And unfortunately I am not aware of most 
of the trips - especially now while I am out of the country for the rest of the 
year.  

But this debate has sparked a couple of promises for articles and I am grateful 
to those who have stepped up and those who continue to be dependable regular 
contributors. 

Best regards!
 
jill orr 
210.399.6762
jillorr.businesscatalyst.com

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Mark Minton via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 18:14
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

Jill,

  The best way to get articles is to contact likely authors directly and 
make a personal request for something. I know you shouldn't have to do that, 
but it works and as you have seen, asking generally and waiting for response 
doesn't. As editor, and hopefully someone well-connected with the Texas caving 
community, you probably know who leads various projects and when big trips 
happen. Soon after such a trip is the best time to ask, while everything is 
fresh in their mind. All many people need is a nudge, and it is harder to say 
no to someone who knows they have material.
  I have not edited a newsletter, but I have compiled reports for Mexico 
News in the AMCS Activities Newsletter and I currently run the International 
Exploration session at NSS Conventions. I've never had trouble getting enough 
material if I ask people directly, even when general pleas produce little.

Mark

On Wed, July 30, 2014 6:31 pm, Jill Orr via Texascavers wrote:
>
> Regarding "It's the editor's job to corral it; just sending out a plea 
> for material and waiting for it to magically appear doesn't cut it.", 
> perhaps you will be willing to give me some guidance here rather than 
> just an opinion.

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Re: [Texascavers] Stephans Gap cave in AL

[gary Dunham via Texascavers]

Was there in tag with stava davis
On Jul 31, 2014 4:31 PM, "gary Dunham"  wrote:

> Yaw awsome
> On Jul 31, 2014 4:18 PM, "Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers" <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone visit this cave this month?
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/hOL15Cu.jpg
>>
>> Saw this at
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/EarthPorn/comments/2c8mhg/stephens_gap_cave_in_northern_alabama_1280x1600_oc/
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Re: [Texascavers] getting Texas Caver material

[George Veni via Texascavers]

> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mixon Bill via Texascavers
>
> Incidentally, have the TSA and the TSS both downloaded their
> own copies of all those KIP PDF files for their own archives?

If any grotto, organization, or individual wants to post and archive their 
newsletters, maps, theses, reports, etc. on the Karst Information Portal 
(www.karstportal.org) and have questions on how to make that happen, please let 
me know.

George


George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
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Re: [Texascavers] Stephans Gap cave in AL

[gary Dunham via Texascavers]

Yaw awsome
On Jul 31, 2014 4:18 PM, "Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Anyone visit this cave this month?
>
> http://i.imgur.com/hOL15Cu.jpg
>
> Saw this at
> http://www.reddit.com/r/EarthPorn/comments/2c8mhg/stephens_gap_cave_in_northern_alabama_1280x1600_oc/
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Re: [Texascavers] Stephans Gap cave in AL

[Chris Lafferty via Texascavers]

I was there two months ago where we discovered that the keyhole was
vandalized. Someone had levered a large boulder out of it, leaving the
while thing unstable.

Aaron Polsky, a TAG caver, was with us and informed his father Milton, the
primary contact for the cave. I heard that the keyhole was flagged and off
limits during convention. Fortunately, I had the chance to see it before
the damage last year.

A know a couple of Texas cavers were there during convention. Jim Kennedy
even conducted a wedding ceremony in the cave that week.

Regards,
Chris Lafferty
On Jul 31, 2014 4:17 PM, "Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Anyone visit this cave this month?
>
> http://i.imgur.com/hOL15Cu.jpg
>
> Saw this at
> http://www.reddit.com/r/EarthPorn/comments/2c8mhg/stephens_gap_cave_in_northern_alabama_1280x1600_oc/
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[Texascavers] Stephans Gap cave in AL

[Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers]

Anyone visit this cave this month?

http://i.imgur.com/hOL15Cu.jpg

Saw this at
http://www.reddit.com/r/EarthPorn/comments/2c8mhg/stephens_gap_cave_in_northern_alabama_1280x1600_oc/
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Re: [Texascavers] Daughters of Radon - 1975, Albuquerque

[via Texascavers]

Thanks Will. Looks as if I never really understood the relationships, although 
I thought I did! 

Dwight 


- Original Message -

From: "White, Will and Bette"  
To: "2 - Dwight on COMCAST"  
Cc: "Tomchick, Diana" , "Cave NM" 
, "Josh Rubinstein" , "Cave Texas" 
, "Lindsley, Pete" , "Veni, 
George"  
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 2:30:59 PM 
Subject: Re: Daughters of Radon - 1975, Albuquerque 

Hi All 

More corrections to the corrections. Jack did indeed do his PhD with me - a 
study of the hydrogeology and chemical hydrology of Mammoth Cave. Greer and I 
were both active in CRF activities way back then but he wasn't a Penn State 
student. 

Will 

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 01:54 PM dirt...@comcast.net wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
>1975, Albuquerque 
> 
> 
>Of course it is myself (Dwight Deal) on the left. Then Pete and Will White. 
Now remember, this was a time when "Cave Geology" was a looked-down-upon 
sub-profession (or even Sub-Sub and questionably even a "profession") by the 
professional geological community in the USA. It is interesting to note that 
next to the right is Jack Hess and then Greer Price. Both were students of 
Wills and venturing into this greatly unappreciated branch of 
geology/hydrology. Some of you may remember Jack as one of the first sump 
divers in eastern cave systems. 
> 
>Jack is just retiring after 13 years as the Executive Director of the 
Geological Society of America, one of the most prestigious jobs in this country 
for a geologist. 
> 
> 
> 
>Greer is now State Geologist of New Mexico -- not bad for ex-hippie-cavers 
interested in - Ugg! - CAVES. 
> 
>DirtDoc 
> 
>- Original Message - 
> 
>From: "Tomchick, Diana"  
>To: "Josh Rubinstein" , "Cave Texas" 
, "2 - Dwight on COMCAST"  
>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:55:44 AM 
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Daughters of Radon 
> 
>A very young Pete Lindsley is in the background, leaning against a wall. 
> 
>Diana 
> 
> 
>So whose in the photo? Here's my guess left to right: the Dashing Dirt Doctor, 
a young wild Wil White, the intrepid Jack Hess and - could it be?- Mr. Davis 
when he was a mere boy. 





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Re: [Texascavers] Daughters of Radon - 1975, Albuquerque

[WILLIAM B. WHITE via Texascavers]

Hi All

More corrections to the corrections.  Jack did indeed do his PhD with me - a
study of the hydrogeology and chemical hydrology of Mammoth Cave.  Greer and I
were both active in CRF activities way back then but he wasn't a Penn State
student.

Will

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 01:54 PM dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>
>1975, Albuquerque 
>
>
>Of course it is myself (Dwight Deal) on the left. Then Pete and Will White.
Now remember, this was a time when "Cave Geology" was a looked-down-upon
sub-profession (or even Sub-Sub and questionably even a "profession") by the
professional geological community in the USA. It is interesting to note that
next to the right is Jack Hess and then Greer Price. Both were students of
Wills and venturing into this greatly unappreciated branch of
geology/hydrology. Some of you may remember Jack as one of the first sump
divers in eastern cave systems. 
>
>Jack is just retiring after 13 years as the Executive Director of the
Geological Society of America, one of the most prestigious jobs in this country
for a geologist. 
>
>
>
>Greer is now State Geologist of New Mexico -- not bad for ex-hippie-cavers
interested in - Ugg! - CAVES. 
>
>DirtDoc 
>
>- Original Message -
>
>From: "Tomchick, Diana"  
>To: "Josh Rubinstein" , "Cave Texas"
, "2 - Dwight on COMCAST"  
>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:55:44 AM 
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Daughters of Radon 
>
>A very young Pete Lindsley is in the background, leaning against a wall. 
>
>Diana 
> 
>
>So whose in the photo? Here's my guess left to right: the Dashing Dirt Doctor,
a young wild Wil White, the intrepid Jack Hess and - could it be?- Mr. Davis
when he was a mere boy. 




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Re: cavetex archives

[Charles Goldsmith]

Ah good, thunderbird stores mail in the mbox format, so you should be able
to zip up those folders and send them.  I don't know if it stores by imap
folder or not.  Details as to where your profile should be is at
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Thunderbird#Windows_Vista.2C_7.2C_and_8.1


I dunno about you, but i've been multi-tasking all morning, dealing with 2
customers and email problems.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Bill Bentley  wrote:

>  I am guessing no one is getting any real paying kind  of work done today.
> They are now in the Thunderbird (Mozilla) format since Windows 7 and 8
> don't allow Outlook Express...
>
> You might have to install Thunderbird on a PC to get then back to
> something readable
>
> Advise?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
> On 7/31/2014 12:55 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
>
> I finally decided to revisit this really old topic, and reviewed the files
> you had sent me, and they are all in PDF for the messages.  I can't easily
> convert those to archive on a webpage.
>
>  Do you still have your original outlook files?  I'm going to be putting
> them into mbox format to import into the webpage.  If you can export the
> messages into the .dbx files that outlook express does, I can convert into
> mbox.
>
>  I'm looking for the archives from 1998 to 2005.  I have everything past
> that.
>
>  Thanks
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Bill Bentley  wrote:
>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Bill Bentley" 
>> To: "Charles Goldsmith" 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: cavetex archives
>>
>>
>>  I have it from 4-14-1998 to 9-19-2005
>>>
>>> it is archived by yearin outlook express format  i.e 1998, 1999,
>>> 2000,
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a way to create a PDF file for each year (folder)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" <
>>> wo...@justfamily.org>
>>> To: "Bill Bentley" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:50 AM
>>> Subject: cavetex archives
>>>
>>>
>>>  Bill, I joined cavetex back June 16th of 2005, and I'm assuming that
 you were one of the first to join up, but if not, you can probably
 help me out.

 I'm looking to build the complete archives, and I'm not picky about
 formats at this time, depending on how hard it will be to import into
 the google archives and my personal stuff.

 Can you send me what you have prior to 06/16/2005?

 Thanks
 Charles


>>>
>
>

Re: cavetex archives

[Bill Bentley]

I am guessing no one is getting any real paying kind  of work done today.
They are now in the Thunderbird (Mozilla) format since Windows 7 and 8 
don't allow Outlook Express...


You might have to install Thunderbird on a PC to get then back to 
something readable


Advise?


Thanks,
Bill

On 7/31/2014 12:55 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
I finally decided to revisit this really old topic, and reviewed the 
files you had sent me, and they are all in PDF for the messages.  I 
can't easily convert those to archive on a webpage.


Do you still have your original outlook files?  I'm going to be 
putting them into mbox format to import into the webpage.  If you can 
export the messages into the .dbx files that outlook express does, I 
can convert into mbox.


I'm looking for the archives from 1998 to 2005.  I have everything 
past that.


Thanks



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Bill Bentley > wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Bill Bentley" mailto:ca...@caver.net>>
To: "Charles Goldsmith" mailto:wo...@justfamily.org>>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: cavetex archives


I have it from 4-14-1998 to 9-19-2005

it is archived by yearin outlook express format  i.e 1998,
1999, 2000,
and so on.


I have a way to create a PDF file for each year (folder)



- Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith"
mailto:wo...@justfamily.org>>
To: "Bill Bentley" mailto:ca...@caver.net>>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:50 AM
Subject: cavetex archives


Bill, I joined cavetex back June 16th of 2005, and I'm
assuming that
you were one of the first to join up, but if not, you can
probably
help me out.

I'm looking to build the complete archives, and I'm not
picky about
formats at this time, depending on how hard it will be to
import into
the google archives and my personal stuff.

Can you send me what you have prior to 06/16/2005?

Thanks
Charles

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

I can make them smaller?


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Mark, the TSA has 180 current members.
>
>
> On 31 July 2014 06:23,  wrote:
>
>>  I agree with you, Marvin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On occasion, when the picking were slim for the TC, I had to resort to
>> the same thing in order to get it published.
>>
>>
>>
>> No harm in that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not everyone has access to these listserves (is that a word?)  and, since
>> attachments aren’t allowed, I would ping the writers for photos to go along
>> with their offerings to further flesh out their report.
>>
>>
>>
>> “Put a little meat on their bones”, in other words.
>>
>>
>>
>> One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do when the pickings are a little slim.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> A report is a report.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the
>> TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.
>>
>>
>>
>> Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How
>> does the TSA look?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Marvin Miller via Texascavers
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19 PM
>> *To:* Heather Tucek; texascavers@texascavers.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver
>>
>>
>>
>> For the record - and I'm not mad at anyone; I think this is a good
>> discussion - the Texas caving news appearing in the latest issue of the NSS
>> News is in Buford Pruitt's "Underground Online" column. Buford's method -
>> as I understand it - is trolling the chatter on various blogs, email lists,
>> etc. across the nation and compiling the interesting bits in his column.
>> That is how a Colorado Bend trip report, a Government Canyon trip report,
>> and a report on the latest Deep Cave trip ended up in the NSS News. They
>> were not sent to the News as an article to be published but were instead
>> picked up by Buford off of this very email listserve. That's great. Cavers
>> across the nation and the world need to see that Texas cavers go caving and
>> do interesting things.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know that occasionally the three people who wrote those reports for
>> Texascavers.com also compile the happenings in their respective projects in
>> a bit more of a readable and concise fashion with pictures and maps and
>> submit an article to the Texas Caver. That's also a great thing. If the
>> editors of the Texas Caver want to pull things of the email list and
>> publish it, more power to them. I'll continue to support the magazine and
>> the TSS and news about caving in Texas wherever it appears.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Go find out!*
> -Heather Tuček
> UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
> TSA Secretary & Membership Chair
> NSS 59660
> (512) 773-1348
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Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Anything I send you has permission. Old Man Wisdom gives you permission to
do what you want with it. If you sell it for a million dollars I want a
share.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> We can't print without people's permission. The problem is, people will
> put quips on Facebook or whatever, and then when we ask to print it, they
> say "Oh, I'll send you a better one for the Caver", and then they never do.
>
> If we want an editor that swims around all the forums and emails and mucks
> through all the internet banality just to find that tiny little trip report
> in amongst all the crap, we need to pay them a living wage. It takes a lot
> of time to go through all the postings everywhere, and when you are a
> volunteer, there's just no time for that.
>
>
> On 30 July 2014 23:47, Katherine Arens via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>>  What is being suggested through some of this thread is not bad, == and
>> it’s what happens for “Mexico News” in AMCS:  take what’s posted on other
>> media (printed in other places), and use as short notes, with the editor
>> filling them out.
>>
>>  And then use spell check  . . .
>>
>>  TSA and the Caver have always cycled;  not gone under.  Sometimes
>> people write, and other times cave.  Pay attention and devote some time to
>> the other side of the fence.  IF it went digital it could collect the now
>> LARGE numbers of videos on people’s phones, ask for voice-over narratives.
>>
>>  new media; new opportunities.
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Jul 30, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tsk tsk...
>>
>> It's HEB and WalMart, seems the oldies can't keep up with the modern ways
>> too ;-)
>>
>> -Stefan
>> 
>>
>> Jerry.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> >> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>> I don’t usually respond to this kind of email, but this was one that
>> needs attention.
>>
>> Thank you for your critique on the Caver being a "fairly decent effort at
>> a picture magazine".  As a graphic designer and marketing communications
>> professional with 20 years of experience, I am always open to at least
>> listening to the opinions of others. After all, everyone has one. I should
>> listen to yours...   That said, there is always room for improvement in any
>> endeavor.  I certainly don’t think the caver is perfect so I'll have to
>> increase my fairly decent effort to something greater.
>>   . . . .
>>
>>
>>
>> Katherine Arens Office Phone: (512) 232-6363
>> ar...@austin.utexas.edu Dept. Phone:  (512) 471-4123
>> Dept. of Germanic Studies FAX (512) 471-4025
>> 2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
>> University of Texas at Austin Office:  Burdine 320
>> Austin, TX  78712-1802
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>> '.|||'.||| {   } |||.`|||.`
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Re: [Texascavers] Mailing List update and bounce information

[caverarch via Texascavers]

I'm all with Jon in thanking you for your efforts, Charles!


Roger Moore



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To: Charles Goldsmith ; texascavers 

Sent: Thu, Jul 31, 2014 11:10 am
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Charles,
I think the work you do and amount of volunteer time you donate is great.
I have no issue with these technical glitches that the computers feel they need 
to throw out at us humans from time to time.
Many thanks for fighting them off,
JC
 



 
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Re: cavetex archives

[Charles Goldsmith]

I finally decided to revisit this really old topic, and reviewed the files
you had sent me, and they are all in PDF for the messages.  I can't easily
convert those to archive on a webpage.

Do you still have your original outlook files?  I'm going to be putting
them into mbox format to import into the webpage.  If you can export the
messages into the .dbx files that outlook express does, I can convert into
mbox.

I'm looking for the archives from 1998 to 2005.  I have everything past
that.

Thanks



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Bill Bentley  wrote:

>
> - Original Message - From: "Bill Bentley" 
> To: "Charles Goldsmith" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:56 AM
> Subject: Re: cavetex archives
>
>
>  I have it from 4-14-1998 to 9-19-2005
>>
>> it is archived by yearin outlook express format  i.e 1998, 1999, 2000,
>> and so on.
>>
>>
>> I have a way to create a PDF file for each year (folder)
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" <
>> wo...@justfamily.org>
>> To: "Bill Bentley" 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:50 AM
>> Subject: cavetex archives
>>
>>
>>  Bill, I joined cavetex back June 16th of 2005, and I'm assuming that
>>> you were one of the first to join up, but if not, you can probably
>>> help me out.
>>>
>>> I'm looking to build the complete archives, and I'm not picky about
>>> formats at this time, depending on how hard it will be to import into
>>> the google archives and my personal stuff.
>>>
>>> Can you send me what you have prior to 06/16/2005?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>

[Texascavers] getting Texas Caver material

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

There have been a number of good sources for material suggested. There  
is also a rule that I think is very important to the success of any  
periodical.


The Texas Caver _must_ come out on time, every time. Knowing that a  
deadline is real encourages potential contributors to get on with it.  
Knowing that his article will appear sooner or later, whenever enough  
other stuff has been submitted, encourages no one. There's no rush.


Maybe the editor would have to pad out a few issues with reprints from  
old Texas Cavers (actually, likely to be as interesting as new  
material) until people got the message that the publication schedule  
was serious, but it would be worth it in the long run. For old Texas  
Cavers, see http://www.karstportal.org/taxonomy/term/1025.


Incidentally, have the TSA and the TSS both downloaded their own  
copies of all those KIP PDF files for their own archives? Should the  
TSA put links to them on its own web site--preferably to its own  
copies, to prevent future broken links?)

 -- Mixon

I didn't do it. You can't prove it. Nobody saw it. The sheep are lying.

You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org

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Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

[Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers]

Katie, I agree 100%

We are in a digital age, and the numbers being posted show that and the
trend is to more social media.  The numbers on facebook, vs this mailing
list, TSA membership and the website prove that.

I've been a fan of the digital publication and think that is our future,
but probably not right now for everyone to go fully digital.

A question for everyone that does video/pics via smart phones, are you
uploading those videos to youtube and other sharing sites?  Does the TSA or
possibly the TSS have a youtube group so that things can be consolidated
and found easier?  For pictures, those of us that are on the IT committee
at the NSS are working on an archive for pictures, you'll see an
announcement about that sometime in the future.

I'm not volunteering for this next part, I have enough things on my plate,
but perhaps if a TSA/TSS group is there on youtube, videos can be posted to
that group, and an article could be written (digital could have links)
about these videos?

Just food for thought.  If you need help from a geek to figure out details,
let me know and that's how I can help :)



On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Katherine Arens via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

>  What is being suggested through some of this thread is not bad, == and
> it’s what happens for “Mexico News” in AMCS:  take what’s posted on other
> media (printed in other places), and use as short notes, with the editor
> filling them out.
>
>  And then use spell check  . . .
>
>  TSA and the Caver have always cycled;  not gone under.  Sometimes people
> write, and other times cave.  Pay attention and devote some time to the
> other side of the fence.  IF it went digital it could collect the now LARGE
> numbers of videos on people’s phones, ask for voice-over narratives.
>
>  new media; new opportunities.
>
>
>
>  On Jul 30, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> Tsk tsk...
>
> It's HEB and WalMart, seems the oldies can't keep up with the modern ways
> too ;-)
>
> -Stefan
> 
>
> Jerry.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 30, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com >> wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
> I don’t usually respond to this kind of email, but this was one that needs
> attention.
>
> Thank you for your critique on the Caver being a "fairly decent effort at
> a picture magazine".  As a graphic designer and marketing communications
> professional with 20 years of experience, I am always open to at least
> listening to the opinions of others. After all, everyone has one. I should
> listen to yours...   That said, there is always room for improvement in any
> endeavor.  I certainly don’t think the caver is perfect so I'll have to
> increase my fairly decent effort to something greater.
>   . . . .
>
>
>
> Katherine Arens Office Phone: (512) 232-6363
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>   ./'.||'. .  .  .`||.`\.
>  /'|||'.|| {   } ||.`|||`\
> '.|||'.||| {   } |||.`|||.`
> '.||| | |/'   ``\||`` ''||/''   `\| | |||.`
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Re: Texascavers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 39

[Charles Goldsmith]

I'll look into it later, I had seen your other message about it, just
having to prioritize my time, gotta fix things like email not working for
everyone first.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Alex Sproul  wrote:

>  >I fixed the digest!
>
>  Happy browsing of 31 messages, yes, it's been busy in the last 24 hours.
> Thanks for pointing out that you were getting too many, was a default
> setting in mailman. I'm still new to this software as well.
>
>  Thanks, man!!
>
>  There must be another setting somewhere. My SWR digests come with all
> the messages as attachments, and my Pegasus has a 'Digest' button that
> opens a window with all of them as separate messages, so I can read at
> random and not have to scroll through all... Much preferable, I'm sure, for
> all useres.
>
>  Alex
>
>
>
>  --
> *Alex Sproul*
> *NSS 8086RL/FE*
> *Acting NSS Webmaster*
> *www.caves.org* 
>

Re: Texascavers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 39

[Alex Sproul]

>I fixed the digest! 

Happy browsing of 31 messages, yes, it's been busy in the last 24 hours. 
Thanks for pointing out that you were getting too many, was a default setting 
in 
mailman. I'm still new to this software as well.

Thanks, man!!

There must be another setting somewhere. My SWR digests come with all the 
messages as attachments, and my Pegasus has a 'Digest' button that opens a 
window with all of them as separate messages, so I can read at random and not 
have to scroll through all... Much preferable, I'm sure, for all useres.

Alex



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Re: [Texascavers] Daughters of Radon

[Diana Tomchick via Texascavers]

A very young Pete Lindsley is in the background, leaning against a wall.

Diana

**
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Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
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(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] on behalf of Josh 
Rubinstein via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:45 AM
To: dirt...@comcast.net; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Daughters of Radon

So whose in the photo?  Here's my guess left to right:  the Dashing Dirt 
Doctor, a young wild Wil White, the intrepid Jack Hess and - could it be?- Mr. 
Davis when he was a mere boy.


On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:07 PM, via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Daughters of Radon - following the Natural Trap thread

The monitoring in Carlsbad started around 1975 or 1976. The discovery of high 
levels of radon in Carlsbad Caverns caught all the federal cave management 
folks off guard. The "Daughters of Radon" concern resulted in the first ever 
Cave Management Symposium in Albuquerque (October 1975). This was arranged by 
the Cave Research Foundation and the National Park Service to provide federal 
managers - Park Service, BLM, and Forest Service with guidance. For the first 
time on a national level federal resource managers became aware that caves 
really needed managing, and that cavers were a significant source for useful 
information.

 The initial concern was for the federal employees who spent the majority of 
their time underground.

 This meeting happened to coincide with the first real Balloon Fiesta in 
Albuquerque. Sandy and I drove up from Alpine, Texas. Our kids were both small 
and were tremulously impressed with the "flying dragons" roaring fire in the 
sky over our heads. So were most of the symposium attendees. I remember Pete 
and Karen Lindsley, Will White, Jack Hess, and all the CRF leadership present.

 DirtDoc

[cid:bd400ff831b76fa12ef84de61da8665a12466f74@zimbra]



 When I worked there in 1970-71, I
don't recall that any radon monitoring had yet been started.  During the
winter, a draft of cold outside air falls into the lower part of the
entrance, moves down along the floor of the Main Corridor and into the
lower part of the Big Room, then warms and recirculates back outside along
the ceiling.  I would expect radon levels to be very low along the tour
route while that cold-trap circulation is going on.  Did the people doing
the monitoring say how significant were the levels they found?

--Donald

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Re: [Texascavers] Daughters of Radon

[Josh Rubinstein via Texascavers]

So whose in the photo?  Here's my guess left to right:  the Dashing Dirt
Doctor, a young wild Wil White, the intrepid Jack Hess and - could it be?-
Mr. Davis when he was a mere boy.


On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:07 PM, via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Daughters of Radon - following the Natural Trap thread
>
> The monitoring in Carlsbad started around 1975 or 1976. The discovery of
> high levels of radon in Carlsbad Caverns caught all the federal cave
> management folks off guard. The "Daughters of Radon" concern resulted in
> the first ever Cave Management Symposium in Albuquerque (October 1975).
> This was arranged by the Cave Research Foundation and the National Park
> Service to provide federal managers - Park Service, BLM, and Forest Service
> with guidance. For the first time on a national level federal resource
> managers became aware that caves really needed managing, and that cavers
> were a significant source for useful information.
>
>  The initial concern was for the federal employees who spent the majority
> of their time underground.
>
>  This meeting happened to coincide with the first real Balloon Fiesta in
> Albuquerque. Sandy and I drove up from Alpine, Texas. Our kids were both
> small and were tremulously impressed with the "flying dragons" roaring fire
> in the sky over our heads. So were most of the symposium attendees. I
> remember Pete and Karen Lindsley, Will White, Jack Hess, and all the CRF
> leadership present.
>
>  DirtDoc
>
>
> --
>  When I worked there in 1970-71, I
> don't recall that any radon monitoring had yet been started.  During the
> winter, a draft of cold outside air falls into the lower part of the
> entrance, moves down along the floor of the Main Corridor and into the
> lower part of the Big Room, then warms and recirculates back outside along
> the ceiling.  I would expect radon levels to be very low along the tour
> route while that cold-trap circulation is going on.  Did the people doing
> the monitoring say how significant were the levels they found?
>
> --Donald
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Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

[Kurt L. Menking via Texascavers]

I appreciate all the comments regarding the TSA, and the Texas Caver 
publication.  I believe both are important part of Texas caving.  Their roles 
may be diminishing over time, and in time they may well not longer serve a 
purpose.  At the moment The Texas Caver provides the best archive of caving in 
Texas.  The lack of articles may be turning the recent issues into picture 
books, but that also is a part of the history of Texas caving.  I remember many 
of the issues from the 50-60s included many pages of cartoons.  Were they also 
being used as filler for lack of articles?  Whatever the reason, the cartoons 
are a valuable part of the Texas Caver magazine.  They provided a unique 
insight into the caving community of that time.  40-50 years from now the same 
might be said about the abundance of pictures in the current issues.

I challenge all cavers to write more articles.  If you want to guarantee your 
caving efforts will be forever remembered, then get out there and go caving, 
join survey teams, make maps, and write articles.  The TSS is full of maps, 
reports, Texas Caver, and NSS magazines, plus all forms of cave related 
information.  Those records will be available to cavers long into the future.  
Unless...

If the caving community continues to regress into a purely recreational 
activity, then the only cave documentation will come from the professional 
biology, geology, etc companies (good and bad).  Which in time will come to 
control the TSS archives.  Then that information will in turn be no longer 
available to the recreational (irresponsible) cavers.

Just my 2 cents.

GO CAVING, WRITE ARTICLES, SEND PICTURES, DO IT NOW!  (Pardon the yelling)

Kurt
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Heather Tucek via Texascavers]

And the TSA website has a whopping 66!


On 31 July 2014 10:48,  wrote:

>  Thanks, Heather and Charles, for the info and for all of your hard work
> for the caving community, of which you are paid so handsomely!  J
>
>
>
> Oh, and since we’re talking numbers and since I’m one of the
> Administrators for the TSA Facebook page, it has 682 members (!), FWIW.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:16 AM
> *To:* Heather Tucek; Cavetex
> *Cc:* Alman, Mark @ ESG - WSS - IRP
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver
>
>
>
> As a comparison, the mailing list has 481 members.  We do have a lot of
> out of state members on the mailing list.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark, the TSA has 180 current members.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 31 July 2014 06:23,  wrote:
>
>
>
> My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the
> TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.
>
>
>
> Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How
> does the TSA look?
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>



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UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
TSA Secretary & Membership Chair
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Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

[Mark Minton via Texascavers]

Jill,

  The best way to get articles is to contact likely authors directly
and make a personal request for something. I know you shouldn't have
to do that, but it works and as you have seen, asking generally and
waiting for response doesn't. As editor, and hopefully someone
well-connected with the Texas caving community, you probably know
who leads various projects and when big trips happen. Soon after
such a trip is the best time to ask, while everything is fresh in
their mind. All many people need is a nudge, and it is harder to say
no to someone who knows they have material.
  I have not edited a newsletter, but I have compiled reports for
Mexico News in the AMCS Activities Newsletter and I currently run
the International Exploration session at NSS Conventions. I've never
had trouble getting enough material if I ask people directly, even
when general pleas produce little.

Mark

On Wed, July 30, 2014 6:31 pm, Jill Orr via Texascavers wrote:
>
> Regarding "It's the editor's job to corral it; just sending out a plea for
> material and waiting for it to magically appear doesn't cut it.", perhaps
> you will be willing to give me some guidance here rather than just an
> opinion.

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RE: [Texascavers] Mailing List update and bounce information

[Jon Cradit]

Charles,
I think the work you do and amount of volunteer time you donate is great.
I have no issue with these technical glitches that the computers feel they need 
to throw out at us humans from time to time.
Many thanks for fighting them off,
JC


From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:15 AM
To: Cavetex
Subject: [Texascavers] Mailing List update and bounce information

First off, my apologies to those of you who are getting messages about bounced 
messages and possible removal from the list.

I don't do this for a living, meaning, I don't take care of email servers, my 
job is networking and telephony, but I do this for a hobby, started off just 
buying my own domain and learning how to host my own email.  Long story short, 
I'm learning as I go and adapting to industry changes.

Yahoo, AOL, Hotmail and the other big name email providers keep making changes, 
and some of these changes think that our email is spam.

That's why I've made some behind the scenes changes, and some you've noticed, 
like the reply-to and how the list displays.  It's a necessary evil, but needed.

I had an error in my records that I found this morning, and while it may take a 
few days to get the system flushed out of existing email through the big 
providers, I'm hoping I've licked the problem and things will go smoother now.

If you see any error messages, bounce notifications, etc, please forward them 
to me.

As I said in another message, but just to clarify, we now allow larger 
attachments to the mailing list.  I don't think we have anyone left on dial-up 
anymore, but please don't abuse it, if I get too many complaints, I'll have to 
lower the size allowed.

As always, let me know if you have any questions, comments or concerns
Charles
texascavers mailing list admin

Re: Texascavers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 39

[Charles Goldsmith]

I fixed the digest!

Happy browsing of 31 messages, yes, it's been busy in the last 24 hours.
 Thanks for pointing out that you were getting too many, was a default
setting in mailman.  I'm still new to this software as well.


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>1. My scrolling finger is worn out! (via Texascavers)
>2. Re: The Printed Word (via Texascavers)
>3. Natural Trap Cave (Mixon Bill via Texascavers)
>4. CREE lights (Bill Bentley via Texascavers)
>5. Re: [Ilspeleo] CREE lights (Phil Goldman via Texascavers)
>6. Re: [SWR] CREE lights (Peter Jones via Texascavers)
>7. Texas Caver (Heather Tucek via Texascavers)
>8. The Texas Caver (Mixon Bill via Texascavers)
>9. NPR Article Fossils in Wyoming Cave (Denise P via Texascavers)
>   10. Re: Texas Caver (Charles Loving via Texascavers)
>   11. Re: Texas Caver (c via Texascavers)
>   12. Re: The Texas Caver (Jill Orr via Texascavers)
>   13. Re: Texas Caver (Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers)
>   14. Re: The Texas Caver (via Texascavers)
>   15. Re: The Texas Caver (Charles Loving via Texascavers)
>   16. Re: The Texas Caver (George-Paul Richmann via Texascavers)
>   17. Re: Texas Caver (Marvin Miller via Texascavers)
>   18. $ 500 offer (David via Texascavers)
>   19. Re: The Texas Caver (Stefan Creaser via Texascavers)
>   20. Re: The Texas Caver (Katherine Arens via Texascavers)
>   21. Re: Texas Caver (via Texascavers)
>   22. Re: Texas Caver (Bill Bentley via Texascavers)
>   23. Re: $ 500 offer (Charles Loving via Texascavers)
>   24. Re: [SWR] CREE lights (Charles Loving via Texascavers)
>   25. Re: Texas Caver (Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers)
>   26. Re: The Texas Caver (Heather Tucek via Texascavers)
>   27. Re: Texas Caver (Heather Tucek via Texascavers)
>   28. Mailing List update and bounce information
>   (Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers)
>   29. Re: Texas Caver (Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers)
>   30. Re: Texas Caver (Joe Ranzau via Texascavers)
>   31. Re: Texas Caver (via Texascavers)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:15:26 -0400
> From: via Texascavers 
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] My scrolling finger is worn out!
> Message-ID: <636dc.60878a9.410a7...@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/30/2014 11:31:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
>
> Geeze,  Louise! (Not you, Louise.)  Can't you people trim your posts? My
> scrolling finger is worn out! And why am I getting 5 TC digests in a
> single day? (Actually postmarked within
> 90 minutes...) Shouldn't they be  going out once, at midnight?
>
> Alex
>
> Thank you Alex. Allow me to add that no one should ever post a  mystery
> link, much less inexplicably respond to whatever was in the mystery  link.
>
> Aside from bad manners, I believe this babbling bullshit is the inevitable
> result of the proliferation of social media through hand held electronic
> devices, a disease which is dumbing down both our communications and
> ourselves. As a result I am just about to give up on this list and the
> others to
> which I subscribe.
>
> Try this: Sit down ONCE A DAY at your computer (Not your cell phone!) in
> the hope that something interesting has been posted. If and when you
>  choose
> to respond begin by stripping each and every impertinent item from the
>  post
> then respond in a cogent manner using complete sentences with correct
> punctuation. It is not difficult to do so. The fundamentals of this
> technique
> are taught to grade school children.
>
> Dare I suggest an attempt at craft? Is it too much to hope that I might
> occasionally be treated to the artful retelling of a tale, or perhaps a
> witticism? I would prefer a description of events more  elucidating than,
> "...it
> was dark. We turned left and then we turned  right".
>
> Most of you are old farts, you have plenty of time, so try doing it  right!
>
> Sleazeweazel
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> To: Charles Loving ,
>   

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   3. Natural Trap Cave (Mixon Bill via Texascavers)
   4. CREE lights (Bill Bentley via Texascavers)
   5. Re: [Ilspeleo] CREE lights (Phil Goldman via Texascavers)
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   7. Texas Caver (Heather Tucek via Texascavers)
   8. The Texas Caver (Mixon Bill via Texascavers)
   9. NPR Article Fossils in Wyoming Cave (Denise P via Texascavers)
  10. Re: Texas Caver (Charles Loving via Texascavers)
  11. Re: Texas Caver (c via Texascavers)
  12. Re: The Texas Caver (Jill Orr via Texascavers)
  13. Re: Texas Caver (Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers)
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  16. Re: The Texas Caver (George-Paul Richmann via Texascavers)
  17. Re: Texas Caver (Marvin Miller via Texascavers)
  18. $ 500 offer (David via Texascavers)
  19. Re: The Texas Caver (Stefan Creaser via Texascavers)
  20. Re: The Texas Caver (Katherine Arens via Texascavers)
  21. Re: Texas Caver (via Texascavers)
  22. Re: Texas Caver (Bill Bentley via Texascavers)
  23. Re: $ 500 offer (Charles Loving via Texascavers)
  24. Re: [SWR] CREE lights (Charles Loving via Texascavers)
  25. Re: Texas Caver (Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers)
  26. Re: The Texas Caver (Heather Tucek via Texascavers)
  27. Re: Texas Caver (Heather Tucek via Texascavers)
  28. Mailing List update and bounce information
  (Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers)
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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:15:26 -0400
From: via Texascavers 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] My scrolling finger is worn out!
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In a message dated 7/30/2014 11:31:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
texascavers@texascavers.com writes:

Geeze,  Louise! (Not you, Louise.)  Can't you people trim your posts? My  
scrolling finger is worn out! And why am I getting 5 TC digests in a  
single day? (Actually postmarked within 
90 minutes...) Shouldn't they be  going out once, at midnight?

Alex

Thank you Alex. Allow me to add that no one should ever post a  mystery 
link, much less inexplicably respond to whatever was in the mystery  link. 
 
Aside from bad manners, I believe this babbling bullshit is the inevitable  
result of the proliferation of social media through hand held electronic  
devices, a disease which is dumbing down both our communications and  
ourselves. As a result I am just about to give up on this list and the others 
to  
which I subscribe.
 
Try this: Sit down ONCE A DAY at your computer (Not your cell phone!) in  
the hope that something interesting has been posted. If and when you  choose 
to respond begin by stripping each and every impertinent item from the  post 
then respond in a cogent manner using complete sentences with correct  
punctuation. It is not difficult to do so. The fundamentals of this technique  
are taught to grade school children.
 
Dare I suggest an attempt at craft? Is it too much to hope that I might  
occasionally be treated to the artful retelling of a tale, or perhaps a  
witticism? I would prefer a description of events more  elucidating than, 
"...it 
was dark. We turned left and then we turned  right".
 
Most of you are old farts, you have plenty of time, so try doing it  right!
 
Sleazeweazel
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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:20:37 -0500
From: via Texascavers 
To: Charles Loving ,
"texascavers@texascavers.com" 
Cc: Lyndon Tiu , Cavers Texas

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I think that would be great, OMW !

Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 30, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
 wrote:

> Not an article a comic book page. The Advetures of Karst Walker and Mull and 
> Doon. The quest for the Holy Carbide Light. A continu

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Charles Goldsmith]

That's a very interesting statistic.  I've always been anti-facebook, but
not because of the concept, but how the company is running it.

It will be an interesting next 5 years to see how things trend.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:48 AM,  wrote:

>  Thanks, Heather and Charles, for the info and for all of your hard work
> for the caving community, of which you are paid so handsomely!  J
>
>
>
> Oh, and since we’re talking numbers and since I’m one of the
> Administrators for the TSA Facebook page, it has 682 members (!), FWIW.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:16 AM
> *To:* Heather Tucek; Cavetex
> *Cc:* Alman, Mark @ ESG - WSS - IRP
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver
>
>
>
> As a comparison, the mailing list has 481 members.  We do have a lot of
> out of state members on the mailing list.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark, the TSA has 180 current members.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 31 July 2014 06:23,  wrote:
>
>
>
> My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the
> TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.
>
>
>
> Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How
> does the TSA look?
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Mark.Alman]

Thanks, Heather and Charles, for the info and for all of your hard work for the 
caving community, of which you are paid so handsomely!  ☺

Oh, and since we’re talking numbers and since I’m one of the Administrators for 
the TSA Facebook page, it has 682 members (!), FWIW.


Mark



From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:16 AM
To: Heather Tucek; Cavetex
Cc: Alman, Mark @ ESG - WSS - IRP
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

As a comparison, the mailing list has 481 members.  We do have a lot of out of 
state members on the mailing list.

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:


Mark, the TSA has 180 current members.


On 31 July 2014 06:23, mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com>> 
wrote:

My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the TSA 
doing, as in membership numbers and trends.

Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How does 
the TSA look?


Mark

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Joe Ranzau via Texascavers]

Ediger gives a nice talk about why the TSA really should or does encompass
all people in Texas that like caves, not just the ones that pony up
membership dues.  Perhaps he will post it here for our review...


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> As a comparison, the mailing list has 481 members.  We do have a lot of
> out of state members on the mailing list.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark, the TSA has 180 current members.
>>
>>
>> On 31 July 2014 06:23,  wrote:
>>
>>>  I agree with you, Marvin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On occasion, when the picking were slim for the TC, I had to resort to
>>> the same thing in order to get it published.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No harm in that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not everyone has access to these listserves (is that a word?)  and,
>>> since attachments aren’t allowed, I would ping the writers for photos to go
>>> along with their offerings to further flesh out their report.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Put a little meat on their bones”, in other words.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do when the pickings are a little slim.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A report is a report.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is
>>> the TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How
>>> does the TSA look?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Marvin Miller via Texascavers
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19 PM
>>> *To:* Heather Tucek; texascavers@texascavers.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For the record - and I'm not mad at anyone; I think this is a good
>>> discussion - the Texas caving news appearing in the latest issue of the NSS
>>> News is in Buford Pruitt's "Underground Online" column. Buford's method -
>>> as I understand it - is trolling the chatter on various blogs, email lists,
>>> etc. across the nation and compiling the interesting bits in his column.
>>> That is how a Colorado Bend trip report, a Government Canyon trip report,
>>> and a report on the latest Deep Cave trip ended up in the NSS News. They
>>> were not sent to the News as an article to be published but were instead
>>> picked up by Buford off of this very email listserve. That's great. Cavers
>>> across the nation and the world need to see that Texas cavers go caving and
>>> do interesting things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know that occasionally the three people who wrote those reports for
>>> Texascavers.com also compile the happenings in their respective projects in
>>> a bit more of a readable and concise fashion with pictures and maps and
>>> submit an article to the Texas Caver. That's also a great thing. If the
>>> editors of the Texas Caver want to pull things of the email list and
>>> publish it, more power to them. I'll continue to support the magazine and
>>> the TSS and news about caving in Texas wherever it appears.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Go find out!*
>> -Heather Tuček
>> UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
>> TSA Secretary & Membership Chair
>> NSS 59660
>> (512) 773-1348
>> trog...@cavechat.org
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Charles Goldsmith]

As a comparison, the mailing list has 481 members.  We do have a lot of out
of state members on the mailing list.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Mark, the TSA has 180 current members.
>
>
> On 31 July 2014 06:23,  wrote:
>
>>  I agree with you, Marvin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On occasion, when the picking were slim for the TC, I had to resort to
>> the same thing in order to get it published.
>>
>>
>>
>> No harm in that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not everyone has access to these listserves (is that a word?)  and, since
>> attachments aren’t allowed, I would ping the writers for photos to go along
>> with their offerings to further flesh out their report.
>>
>>
>>
>> “Put a little meat on their bones”, in other words.
>>
>>
>>
>> One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do when the pickings are a little slim.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> A report is a report.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the
>> TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.
>>
>>
>>
>> Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How
>> does the TSA look?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Marvin Miller via Texascavers
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19 PM
>> *To:* Heather Tucek; texascavers@texascavers.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver
>>
>>
>>
>> For the record - and I'm not mad at anyone; I think this is a good
>> discussion - the Texas caving news appearing in the latest issue of the NSS
>> News is in Buford Pruitt's "Underground Online" column. Buford's method -
>> as I understand it - is trolling the chatter on various blogs, email lists,
>> etc. across the nation and compiling the interesting bits in his column.
>> That is how a Colorado Bend trip report, a Government Canyon trip report,
>> and a report on the latest Deep Cave trip ended up in the NSS News. They
>> were not sent to the News as an article to be published but were instead
>> picked up by Buford off of this very email listserve. That's great. Cavers
>> across the nation and the world need to see that Texas cavers go caving and
>> do interesting things.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know that occasionally the three people who wrote those reports for
>> Texascavers.com also compile the happenings in their respective projects in
>> a bit more of a readable and concise fashion with pictures and maps and
>> submit an article to the Texas Caver. That's also a great thing. If the
>> editors of the Texas Caver want to pull things of the email list and
>> publish it, more power to them. I'll continue to support the magazine and
>> the TSS and news about caving in Texas wherever it appears.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Go find out!*
> -Heather Tuček
> UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
> TSA Secretary & Membership Chair
> NSS 59660
> (512) 773-1348
> trog...@cavechat.org
>
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Mailing List update and bounce information

[Charles Goldsmith]

First off, my apologies to those of you who are getting messages about
bounced messages and possible removal from the list.

I don't do this for a living, meaning, I don't take care of email servers,
my job is networking and telephony, but I do this for a hobby, started off
just buying my own domain and learning how to host my own email.  Long
story short, I'm learning as I go and adapting to industry changes.

Yahoo, AOL, Hotmail and the other big name email providers keep making
changes, and some of these changes think that our email is spam.

That's why I've made some behind the scenes changes, and some you've
noticed, like the reply-to and how the list displays.  It's a necessary
evil, but needed.

I had an error in my records that I found this morning, and while it may
take a few days to get the system flushed out of existing email through the
big providers, I'm hoping I've licked the problem and things will go
smoother now.

If you see any error messages, bounce notifications, etc, please forward
them to me.

As I said in another message, but just to clarify, we now allow larger
attachments to the mailing list.  I don't think we have anyone left on
dial-up anymore, but please don't abuse it, if I get too many complaints,
I'll have to lower the size allowed.

As always, let me know if you have any questions, comments or concerns
Charles
texascavers mailing list admin

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Heather Tucek via Texascavers]

Mark, the TSA has 180 current members.


On 31 July 2014 06:23,  wrote:

>  I agree with you, Marvin.
>
>
>
> On occasion, when the picking were slim for the TC, I had to resort to the
> same thing in order to get it published.
>
>
>
> No harm in that.
>
>
>
> Not everyone has access to these listserves (is that a word?)  and, since
> attachments aren’t allowed, I would ping the writers for photos to go along
> with their offerings to further flesh out their report.
>
>
>
> “Put a little meat on their bones”, in other words.
>
>
>
> One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do when the pickings are a little slim.
>
>
>
>
>
> A report is a report.
>
>
>
>
>
> My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the
> TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.
>
>
>
> Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How
> does the TSA look?
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Marvin Miller via Texascavers
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19 PM
> *To:* Heather Tucek; texascavers@texascavers.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver
>
>
>
> For the record - and I'm not mad at anyone; I think this is a good
> discussion - the Texas caving news appearing in the latest issue of the NSS
> News is in Buford Pruitt's "Underground Online" column. Buford's method -
> as I understand it - is trolling the chatter on various blogs, email lists,
> etc. across the nation and compiling the interesting bits in his column.
> That is how a Colorado Bend trip report, a Government Canyon trip report,
> and a report on the latest Deep Cave trip ended up in the NSS News. They
> were not sent to the News as an article to be published but were instead
> picked up by Buford off of this very email listserve. That's great. Cavers
> across the nation and the world need to see that Texas cavers go caving and
> do interesting things.
>
>
>
> I know that occasionally the three people who wrote those reports for
> Texascavers.com also compile the happenings in their respective projects in
> a bit more of a readable and concise fashion with pictures and maps and
> submit an article to the Texas Caver. That's also a great thing. If the
> editors of the Texas Caver want to pull things of the email list and
> publish it, more power to them. I'll continue to support the magazine and
> the TSS and news about caving in Texas wherever it appears.
>



-- 
*Go find out!*
-Heather Tuček
UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
TSA Secretary & Membership Chair
NSS 59660
(512) 773-1348
trog...@cavechat.org
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Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

[Heather Tucek via Texascavers]

We can't print without people's permission. The problem is, people will put
quips on Facebook or whatever, and then when we ask to print it, they say
"Oh, I'll send you a better one for the Caver", and then they never do.

If we want an editor that swims around all the forums and emails and mucks
through all the internet banality just to find that tiny little trip report
in amongst all the crap, we need to pay them a living wage. It takes a lot
of time to go through all the postings everywhere, and when you are a
volunteer, there's just no time for that.


On 30 July 2014 23:47, Katherine Arens via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

>  What is being suggested through some of this thread is not bad, == and
> it’s what happens for “Mexico News” in AMCS:  take what’s posted on other
> media (printed in other places), and use as short notes, with the editor
> filling them out.
>
>  And then use spell check  . . .
>
>  TSA and the Caver have always cycled;  not gone under.  Sometimes people
> write, and other times cave.  Pay attention and devote some time to the
> other side of the fence.  IF it went digital it could collect the now LARGE
> numbers of videos on people’s phones, ask for voice-over narratives.
>
>  new media; new opportunities.
>
>
>
>  On Jul 30, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> Tsk tsk...
>
> It's HEB and WalMart, seems the oldies can't keep up with the modern ways
> too ;-)
>
> -Stefan
> 
>
> Jerry.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 30, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com >> wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
> I don’t usually respond to this kind of email, but this was one that needs
> attention.
>
> Thank you for your critique on the Caver being a "fairly decent effort at
> a picture magazine".  As a graphic designer and marketing communications
> professional with 20 years of experience, I am always open to at least
> listening to the opinions of others. After all, everyone has one. I should
> listen to yours...   That said, there is always room for improvement in any
> endeavor.  I certainly don’t think the caver is perfect so I'll have to
> increase my fairly decent effort to something greater.
>  . . . .
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Charles Goldsmith]

Yeah, we are both allowing larger attachments now, as long as it's not
abused.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 5:51 AM, Bill Bentley via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

>  Mark, The Texascavers and all my mailing lists do allow attachments,
> We are finally getting into the 1990's technology...
> :)
> Bill
>
>
> On 7/31/2014 6:23 AM, via Texascavers wrote:
>
>  I agree with you, Marvin.
>
>
>
> On occasion, when the picking were slim for the TC, I had to resort to the
> same thing in order to get it published.
>
>
>
> No harm in that.
>
>
>
> Not everyone has access to these listserves (is that a word?)  and, since
> attachments aren’t allowed, I would ping the writers for photos to go along
> with their offerings to further flesh out their report.
>
>
>
> “Put a little meat on their bones”, in other words.
>
>
>
> One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do when the pickings are a little slim.
>
>
>
>
>
> A report is a report.
>
>
>
>
>
> My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the
> TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.
>
>
>
> Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How
> does the TSA look?
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Marvin Miller via
> Texascavers
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19 PM
> *To:* Heather Tucek; texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver
>
>
>
> For the record - and I'm not mad at anyone; I think this is a good
> discussion - the Texas caving news appearing in the latest issue of the NSS
> News is in Buford Pruitt's "Underground Online" column. Buford's method -
> as I understand it - is trolling the chatter on various blogs, email lists,
> etc. across the nation and compiling the interesting bits in his column.
> That is how a Colorado Bend trip report, a Government Canyon trip report,
> and a report on the latest Deep Cave trip ended up in the NSS News. They
> were not sent to the News as an article to be published but were instead
> picked up by Buford off of this very email listserve. That's great. Cavers
> across the nation and the world need to see that Texas cavers go caving and
> do interesting things.
>
>
>
> I know that occasionally the three people who wrote those reports for
> Texascavers.com also compile the happenings in their respective projects in
> a bit more of a readable and concise fashion with pictures and maps and
> submit an article to the Texas Caver. That's also a great thing. If the
> editors of the Texas Caver want to pull things of the email list and
> publish it, more power to them. I'll continue to support the magazine and
> the TSS and news about caving in Texas wherever it appears.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] CREE lights

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

And I still use a carbide lamp though not often. It can be used to cook a
can of beans. But then the new world of cavers eat that dry stuff that you
just add water to and shake. No caver stews I am sure, though we ate a lot
of that and so did the Mexican dogs at Golendrinas after the basketball
game between cavers and kids. Final score Kids 40 Cavers Zero.


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Peter Jones via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Not with headlamps, only as regular house incandescent/CFL lamp
> replacements.  We like them because they are cheap ($4 at Home Depot for
> the 60 W version) and are dimmable to a certain extent.  They seem well
> made and with luck will last longer as lamps than I will as a human being.
>  With power output that you mention on the headlamps, we call them
> formation burners.  You could topple Goliath with one sweep of that beam
> light!!!
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Bill Bentley wrote:
>
> Greetings,
> Anyone have any experiences with CREE headlights? Good? Bad? other
> wise...
> It says 3000 Lumens, It cause pain when I try to look in the beam... And
> leaves a streak like you have looked at a welding light ... temporary
> though...
> It is bright and I have tested it on two  2800 mAh 3.7 v batteries for 48
> hours and there is still usable light although not as bright as it was...
> Bill
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Re: [Texascavers] $ 500 offer

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Wow! Another epistle from Bockbeer.


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:19 PM, David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I would like to propose that the TSA sell to me outright The Texas Caver.
> I offer a price of $ 500.This would include all future legal
> rights to the name, "The
> Texas Caver," along with any profits, and I would be free to do with the
> magazine as I wished, such as sell it, rename it, operate it, etc.
>
> Then the TSA could focus its efforts on the defunct TSA Activities
> Newsletter, ( R.I.P.)
>
>
>
> David Locklear
> ( probably not even a TSA member at the moment )
> NSS # 27639
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

Mark, The Texascavers and all my mailing lists do allow attachments,
We are finally getting into the 1990's technology...
:)
Bill

On 7/31/2014 6:23 AM, via Texascavers wrote:


I agree with you, Marvin.

On occasion, when the picking were slim for the TC, I had to resort to 
the same thing in order to get it published.


No harm in that.

Not everyone has access to these listserves (is that a word?) and, 
since attachments aren’t allowed, I would ping the writers for photos 
to go along with their offerings to further flesh out their report.


“Put a little meat on their bones”, in other words.

One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do when the pickings are a little slim.

A report is a report.

My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is 
the TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.


Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. 
How does the TSA look?


Mark

*From:*Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Marvin Miller via Texascavers

*Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19 PM
*To:* Heather Tucek; texascavers@texascavers.com
*Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

For the record - and I'm not mad at anyone; I think this is a good 
discussion - the Texas caving news appearing in the latest issue of 
the NSS News is in Buford Pruitt's "Underground Online" column. 
Buford's method - as I understand it - is trolling the chatter on 
various blogs, email lists, etc. across the nation and compiling the 
interesting bits in his column. That is how a Colorado Bend trip 
report, a Government Canyon trip report, and a report on the latest 
Deep Cave trip ended up in the NSS News. They were not sent to the 
News as an article to be published but were instead picked up by 
Buford off of this very email listserve. That's great. Cavers across 
the nation and the world need to see that Texas cavers go caving and 
do interesting things.


I know that occasionally the three people who wrote those reports for 
Texascavers.com also compile the happenings in their respective 
projects in a bit more of a readable and concise fashion with pictures 
and maps and submit an article to the Texas Caver. That's also a great 
thing. If the editors of the Texas Caver want to pull things of the 
email list and publish it, more power to them. I'll continue to 
support the magazine and the TSS and news about caving in Texas 
wherever it appears.




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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[via Texascavers]

I agree with you, Marvin.

On occasion, when the picking were slim for the TC, I had to resort to the same 
thing in order to get it published.

No harm in that.

Not everyone has access to these listserves (is that a word?)  and, since 
attachments aren’t allowed, I would ping the writers for photos to go along 
with their offerings to further flesh out their report.

“Put a little meat on their bones”, in other words.

One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do when the pickings are a little slim.


A report is a report.


My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the TSA 
doing, as in membership numbers and trends.

Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How does 
the TSA look?


Mark


From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Marvin Miller via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19 PM
To: Heather Tucek; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

For the record - and I'm not mad at anyone; I think this is a good discussion - 
the Texas caving news appearing in the latest issue of the NSS News is in 
Buford Pruitt's "Underground Online" column. Buford's method - as I understand 
it - is trolling the chatter on various blogs, email lists, etc. across the 
nation and compiling the interesting bits in his column. That is how a Colorado 
Bend trip report, a Government Canyon trip report, and a report on the latest 
Deep Cave trip ended up in the NSS News. They were not sent to the News as an 
article to be published but were instead picked up by Buford off of this very 
email listserve. That's great. Cavers across the nation and the world need to 
see that Texas cavers go caving and do interesting things.

I know that occasionally the three people who wrote those reports for 
Texascavers.com also compile the happenings in their respective projects in a 
bit more of a readable and concise fashion with pictures and maps and submit an 
article to the Texas Caver. That's also a great thing. If the editors of the 
Texas Caver want to pull things of the email list and publish it, more power to 
them. I'll continue to support the magazine and the TSS and news about caving 
in Texas wherever it appears.
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