[Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention Group Photo

[Bennett Lee]

TSA Spring Convention 2017
Group Photo @ 5:30 p.m.
Location TBD, but near the house

ATTENTION ALL PHOTOGRAPHERS!

Apparently, I am the de facto group photographer for the TSA Spring Convention, 
and with good reason because I'm the best photographer around.  (And no, it's 
not conceit when it's true.)  :-)

However, not everything is about me.  (Crazy, I know, but also true.)  With 
that in mind, I'd like to extend an offer to any budding photographers or 
seasoned veterans to take the group photo.  I'm not trying to get out of it-I 
love photography, and I would love to have more people actively involved in 
photography.  New folks, new ideas.

Thus, if you're new and you want to learn, I'll be happy to teach you, either 
letting you call the shots or guiding you step-by-step.  You're even welcome to 
borrow my gear for the group photo.  Or maybe you're a seasoned veteran, like 
Ernie, Jim, Travis, Geoff, Mike, etc., and you're looking to recreate some 
nostalgic photos, or teach me something new (even I don't know everything).  
Maybe you're playing with tilt-shift photography?  Have a drone and want to do 
an overhead group shot?  Just plain bossy and want to tell people what to do?  
Come help with the group photo!

Like I said, I'd love to teach photography, and I'd love learn new techniques.  
If you want to be involved in the group photo, message me or track me down at 
the Convention.  I'll spend most of Saturday morning at the TCMA tent.  If you 
don't know who I am, just look for the hottest-and most conceited-guy at the 
convention.  (It's not conceit if it's true!)

Bennett Lee
benn...@bennettlee.com
210-393-3806 (mobile)
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[Texascavers] TCMA happenings at the TSA Convention this weekend

[Gregg Williams]

The TSA convention is fast approaching and it's really looking like it's
going to be a great one!

After dinner Saturday afternoon and following some announcements from the
TSA folks the TCMA big auction will take place. A silent auction will also
be running all day. Make sure you stick around for the entire auction
because there is going to be a very big and exciting announcement and a
couple very special auction items at the close of the evening.

The TCMA will be hosting a delicious breakfast for donation on Sunday
morning at 8 am, huge thanks to Ellie Watson for taking the lead on that.
After everyone is filled up on yummy breakfast there will be a TCMA meeting
for all members to attend and hear what your organization has been up to
for the last year.

I look forward to seeing everyone this weekend!


Gregg Williams
TCMA President
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[Texascavers] Sasquatch

[David]

Just for fun, but related to today's major news story

2 paleontologist have a theory that Sasquatch may have lived in San Diego
130,000 years ago.

There calling it an "unknown hominin" in an effort to not be ridiculed by
their colleagues.

I am surprised that cavers have not proven or dis-proved the legend of
Sasquatch.

It could have easily been that those specific hominins were frightened of
caves, or even believed that caves were occupied by evil spirits.

Or maybe they could smell that bears or big cats had been occupying the
cave.

And they preferred living in the open forest and roaming with the animals
that roamed.

I wish I could get a big grant for my hypotheses.
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Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

[Michael Harris]

Like I said, all we can do is try our best.

Mike



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 Original message 
From: Robert B 
Date: 4/26/17 15:40 (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

I like meaningful discussions on this list serve and think it enhances our 
understanding of different topics and viewpoints

and I encourage the respectful dialog of PD in Texas

I just want everybody to know that the White Nose Syndrome Protocol for the 
2017 Convention of the National Speleological Society was not some arbitrary 
decision
Its just the best the NSS can do and follow the rules set forth by the NFS NPS 
and BLM

So with that said, Mike Harris and you have valid points.
PD could be in the seat covers and carpets of our caving vehicles
and Childress County Texas is a hell of a long way away from Culberson or El 
Paso Counties

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Joe Ranzau 
> wrote:
Rob -

While I don't feel singled out I do think the definition of Texas as the area 
is arbitrary.  We are different in size than say those states back east.  While 
I'm absolutely not an expert, it is my understanding that the researchers did 
monitoring of our typical caves in central and parts of west texas without 
finding the fungus.  Meaning our area is not yet a known local.

For perspective, I drove to college station on monday.  On Tuesday, I drove out 
east for an hour less and crossed into three different states, Virginia, 
Maryland and Delaware, with Pennsylvania being less than 5 miles away from 
where I stopped.  Meaning, state lines might be relevant for some areas but 
perhaps Texas is special, we certainly like to think we are anyway...

Thanks for listening,

Joe


On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Robert B 
> wrote:
Texas Cavers are not being singled out... The ban applies to all cavers and 
gear that have ever been in an area with PD.

Please read the official White Nose Syndrome Protocol for the 2017 Convention 
of the National Speleological Society link below

http://nss2017.caves.org/NSS2017_WNS_Protocol.pdf

Note:  Most of the 2017 Convention Caves are located on land managed by the 
National Park Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the U.S. Forest 
Service. These agencies have policies prohibiting the use of gear from a 
WNS-positive area; the 2017 Convention is adhering to those policies.

I appreciate and recognize some of the topics regarding the particulars of this 
ban.
Example: what constitutes "gear" exactly.
Example: Many Texas Cavers have never caved in North Texas where PD has been 
discovered.
However, one must also recognize that the research teams locating PD in Texas 
have not looked exactly how far south PD might have traveled.
Hence the blanket Ban

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Joe Ranzau 
> wrote:
Would it solve the arbitrary ban on all Texas gear if I decided to cave nekkid 
at convention?

In all seriousness, decon protocols and a reasonable ban on contaminated gear 
makes sense.  A blanket ban on all Texas gear doesn't, folks seem to forget 
that state boundaries are political and have little practical relevance to the 
spread of something found in a remote and rarely caved in portion of the state. 
 It's like saying no US gear is welcome in Mexico (hyperbole, I know).

Before I'm jumped, I appreciate all that everyone is doing to host convention, 
protect our bat friends and manage government agencies that would just as 
easily close caves as deal with these issues.

I'm just asking for some common sense consideration or more elaboration on the 
reasoning.

Joe

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Allan Cobb 
> wrote:
If you have ever caved nekkid in Texas, you will not be allowed to cave nekkid 
in New Mexico.

Allan

On 4/26/2017 12:52 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
Cave nekkid, I say...

Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: 
stefan_creaser


-Original Message-
From: Texascavers 
[mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]
 On Behalf Of John Kerr
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:47 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

So no clothing, footwear, lights, rope, vertical gear, packs, camping 
equipment, etc. that has ever been in a Texas cave should be brought to New 
Mexico at all, let alone go underground.

Some people may be sporting entirely new wardrobes. ;-)

John Kerr

[Texascavers] Call for trip leader for D

[Don Arburn]

Sometime during June 6-10 a scouting group would like to visit the preserve. 
I'll be out of the state during this time. 

"Troop 525 in Austin, TX - mostly the Varsity and Venture aged kids (14-18). We 
should have about a dozen kids there, several are Eagle Scouts. None of our 
boys have any real physical challenges that would make things more challenging. 
They're an LDS troop and are a really great group of young men - respectful and 
helpful"

They will be visiting Del Rio and Lake Amistad primarily and would like to 
visit Punkin and a Deep caves.

"Most of the boys have quite a bit of rappel experience, having done that for 
merit badges, etc. But, I'm not sure it's the same thing."

If a couple of Trip Leaders could help this group it would be really good.

Thanks!

--Don
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Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

[Robert B]

I like meaningful discussions on this list serve and think it enhances our
understanding of different topics and viewpoints

and I encourage the respectful dialog of PD in Texas

I just want everybody to know that the White Nose Syndrome Protocol for the
2017 Convention of the National Speleological Society was not some
arbitrary decision
Its just the best the NSS can do and follow the rules set forth by the NFS
NPS and BLM

So with that said, Mike Harris and you have valid points.
PD could be in the seat covers and carpets of our caving vehicles
and Childress County Texas is a hell of a long way away from Culberson or
El Paso Counties

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Joe Ranzau  wrote:

> Rob -
>
> While I don't feel singled out I do think the definition of Texas as the
> area is arbitrary.  We are different in size than say those states back
> east.  While I'm absolutely not an expert, it is my understanding that the
> researchers did monitoring of our typical caves in central and parts of
> west texas without finding the fungus.  Meaning our area is not yet a known
> local.
>
> For perspective, I drove to college station on monday.  On Tuesday, I
> drove out east for an hour less and crossed into three different states,
> Virginia, Maryland and Delaware, with Pennsylvania being less than 5 miles
> away from where I stopped.  Meaning, state lines might be relevant for some
> areas but perhaps Texas is special, we certainly like to think we are
> anyway...
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Robert B 
> wrote:
>
>> Texas Cavers are not being singled out... The ban applies to all cavers
>> and gear that have ever been in an area with PD.
>>
>> Please read the official White Nose Syndrome Protocol for the 2017
>> Convention of the National Speleological Society link below
>>
>> http://nss2017.caves.org/NSS2017_WNS_Protocol.pdf
>>
>> Note:  Most of the 2017 Convention Caves are located on land managed by
>> the National Park Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the U.S.
>> Forest Service. These agencies have policies prohibiting the use of gear
>> from a WNS-positive area; the 2017 Convention is adhering to those policies.
>>
>> I appreciate and recognize some of the topics regarding the particulars
>> of this ban.
>> Example: what constitutes "gear" exactly.
>> Example: Many Texas Cavers have never caved in North Texas where PD has
>> been discovered.
>> However, one must also recognize that the research teams locating PD in
>> Texas have not looked exactly how far south PD might have traveled.
>> Hence the blanket Ban
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Joe Ranzau  wrote:
>>
>>> Would it solve the arbitrary ban on all Texas gear if I decided to cave
>>> nekkid at convention?
>>>
>>> In all seriousness, decon protocols and a reasonable ban on contaminated
>>> gear makes sense.  A blanket ban on all Texas gear doesn't, folks seem to
>>> forget that state boundaries are political and have little practical
>>> relevance to the spread of something found in a remote and rarely caved in
>>> portion of the state.  It's like saying no US gear is welcome in Mexico
>>> (hyperbole, I know).
>>>
>>> Before I'm jumped, I appreciate all that everyone is doing to host
>>> convention, protect our bat friends and manage government agencies that
>>> would just as easily close caves as deal with these issues.
>>>
>>> I'm just asking for some common sense consideration or more elaboration
>>> on the reasoning.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Allan Cobb  wrote:
>>>
 If you have ever caved nekkid in Texas, you will not be allowed to cave
 nekkid in New Mexico.

 Allan

 On 4/26/2017 12:52 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:

> Cave nekkid, I say...
>
> Stefan Creaser
> Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
> 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
> Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
> Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On
> Behalf Of John Kerr
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:47 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions
>
> So no clothing, footwear, lights, rope, vertical gear, packs, camping
> equipment, etc. that has ever been in a Texas cave should be brought to 
> New
> Mexico at all, let alone go underground.
>
> Some people may be sporting entirely new wardrobes. ;-)
>
> John Kerr
> jck...@gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Jacqueline Thomas 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You bet, Mark. It was your question regarding how long ago? that
>> prompted folks to ask me to pass 

Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

[Joe Ranzau]

Rob -

While I don't feel singled out I do think the definition of Texas as the
area is arbitrary.  We are different in size than say those states back
east.  While I'm absolutely not an expert, it is my understanding that the
researchers did monitoring of our typical caves in central and parts of
west texas without finding the fungus.  Meaning our area is not yet a known
local.

For perspective, I drove to college station on monday.  On Tuesday, I drove
out east for an hour less and crossed into three different states,
Virginia, Maryland and Delaware, with Pennsylvania being less than 5 miles
away from where I stopped.  Meaning, state lines might be relevant for some
areas but perhaps Texas is special, we certainly like to think we are
anyway...

Thanks for listening,

Joe

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Robert B  wrote:

> Texas Cavers are not being singled out... The ban applies to all cavers
> and gear that have ever been in an area with PD.
>
> Please read the official White Nose Syndrome Protocol for the 2017
> Convention of the National Speleological Society link below
>
> http://nss2017.caves.org/NSS2017_WNS_Protocol.pdf
>
> Note:  Most of the 2017 Convention Caves are located on land managed by
> the National Park Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the U.S.
> Forest Service. These agencies have policies prohibiting the use of gear
> from a WNS-positive area; the 2017 Convention is adhering to those policies.
>
> I appreciate and recognize some of the topics regarding the particulars of
> this ban.
> Example: what constitutes "gear" exactly.
> Example: Many Texas Cavers have never caved in North Texas where PD has
> been discovered.
> However, one must also recognize that the research teams locating PD in
> Texas have not looked exactly how far south PD might have traveled.
> Hence the blanket Ban
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Joe Ranzau  wrote:
>
>> Would it solve the arbitrary ban on all Texas gear if I decided to cave
>> nekkid at convention?
>>
>> In all seriousness, decon protocols and a reasonable ban on contaminated
>> gear makes sense.  A blanket ban on all Texas gear doesn't, folks seem to
>> forget that state boundaries are political and have little practical
>> relevance to the spread of something found in a remote and rarely caved in
>> portion of the state.  It's like saying no US gear is welcome in Mexico
>> (hyperbole, I know).
>>
>> Before I'm jumped, I appreciate all that everyone is doing to host
>> convention, protect our bat friends and manage government agencies that
>> would just as easily close caves as deal with these issues.
>>
>> I'm just asking for some common sense consideration or more elaboration
>> on the reasoning.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Allan Cobb  wrote:
>>
>>> If you have ever caved nekkid in Texas, you will not be allowed to cave
>>> nekkid in New Mexico.
>>>
>>> Allan
>>>
>>> On 4/26/2017 12:52 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
>>>
 Cave nekkid, I say...

 Stefan Creaser
 Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
 Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
 Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser


 -Original Message-
 From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On
 Behalf Of John Kerr
 Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:47 PM
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

 So no clothing, footwear, lights, rope, vertical gear, packs, camping
 equipment, etc. that has ever been in a Texas cave should be brought to New
 Mexico at all, let alone go underground.

 Some people may be sporting entirely new wardrobes. ;-)

 John Kerr
 jck...@gmail.com

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Jacqueline Thomas 
> wrote:
>
> You bet, Mark. It was your question regarding how long ago? that
> prompted folks to ask me to pass on the latest through the remailer. Jacq.
>
>
> J. LaRue Thomas
> jlrtho...@verizon.net
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:44 AM, mark gee 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Jacqui
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:35 PM, Jacqueline Thomas <
>> jlrtho...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got home from the Spring Convention for the Southwest Region
>> and I said I would post the gear update since Pd has been identified in
>> Texas:
>>
>> No Texas gear that has been in a Texas cave can come to New Mexico.
>> We all either need new, dedicated gear for NM or we need to borrow New
>> Mexico gear when we get there. There is no safe date (as in, “I haven’t
>> caved with this gear for 3 years”).
>>
>> And so it goes. 

Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

[Michael Harris]

There is also that dreaded trunk that all that Texas gear rode in on all those 
caving trips. No we'll get new gear and toss it into the same trunk or back 
seat of the car. This isn't totally flawless. We just need to do our best.

Mike Harris



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note5, an AT 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Joe Ranzau 
Date: 4/26/17 13:58 (GMT-06:00)
To: Cavers Texas 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

Would it solve the arbitrary ban on all Texas gear if I decided to cave nekkid 
at convention?

In all seriousness, decon protocols and a reasonable ban on contaminated gear 
makes sense.  A blanket ban on all Texas gear doesn't, folks seem to forget 
that state boundaries are political and have little practical relevance to the 
spread of something found in a remote and rarely caved in portion of the state. 
 It's like saying no US gear is welcome in Mexico (hyperbole, I know).

Before I'm jumped, I appreciate all that everyone is doing to host convention, 
protect our bat friends and manage government agencies that would just as 
easily close caves as deal with these issues.

I'm just asking for some common sense consideration or more elaboration on the 
reasoning.

Joe

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Allan Cobb 
> wrote:
If you have ever caved nekkid in Texas, you will not be allowed to cave nekkid 
in New Mexico.

Allan

On 4/26/2017 12:52 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
Cave nekkid, I say...

Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: 
stefan_creaser


-Original Message-
From: Texascavers 
[mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]
 On Behalf Of John Kerr
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:47 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

So no clothing, footwear, lights, rope, vertical gear, packs, camping 
equipment, etc. that has ever been in a Texas cave should be brought to New 
Mexico at all, let alone go underground.

Some people may be sporting entirely new wardrobes. ;-)

John Kerr
jck...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Jacqueline Thomas 
> wrote:

You bet, Mark. It was your question regarding how long ago? that prompted folks 
to ask me to pass on the latest through the remailer. Jacq.


J. LaRue Thomas
jlrtho...@verizon.net


On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:44 AM, mark gee 
> wrote:

Thanks Jacqui



On Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:35 PM, Jacqueline Thomas 
> wrote:


I just got home from the Spring Convention for the Southwest Region and I said 
I would post the gear update since Pd has been identified in Texas:

No Texas gear that has been in a Texas cave can come to New Mexico. We all 
either need new, dedicated gear for NM or we need to borrow New Mexico gear 
when we get there. There is no safe date (as in, “I haven’t caved with this 
gear for 3 years”).

And so it goes. Jacqui


J. LaRue Thomas
jlrtho...@verizon.net


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Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

[Robert B]

Texas Cavers are not being singled out... The ban applies to all cavers and
gear that have ever been in an area with PD.

Please read the official White Nose Syndrome Protocol for the 2017
Convention of the National Speleological Society link below

http://nss2017.caves.org/NSS2017_WNS_Protocol.pdf

Note:  Most of the 2017 Convention Caves are located on land managed by the
National Park Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the U.S. Forest
Service. These agencies have policies prohibiting the use of gear from a
WNS-positive area; the 2017 Convention is adhering to those policies.

I appreciate and recognize some of the topics regarding the particulars of
this ban.
Example: what constitutes "gear" exactly.
Example: Many Texas Cavers have never caved in North Texas where PD has
been discovered.
However, one must also recognize that the research teams locating PD in
Texas have not looked exactly how far south PD might have traveled.
Hence the blanket Ban

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Joe Ranzau  wrote:

> Would it solve the arbitrary ban on all Texas gear if I decided to cave
> nekkid at convention?
>
> In all seriousness, decon protocols and a reasonable ban on contaminated
> gear makes sense.  A blanket ban on all Texas gear doesn't, folks seem to
> forget that state boundaries are political and have little practical
> relevance to the spread of something found in a remote and rarely caved in
> portion of the state.  It's like saying no US gear is welcome in Mexico
> (hyperbole, I know).
>
> Before I'm jumped, I appreciate all that everyone is doing to host
> convention, protect our bat friends and manage government agencies that
> would just as easily close caves as deal with these issues.
>
> I'm just asking for some common sense consideration or more elaboration on
> the reasoning.
>
> Joe
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Allan Cobb  wrote:
>
>> If you have ever caved nekkid in Texas, you will not be allowed to cave
>> nekkid in New Mexico.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>> On 4/26/2017 12:52 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
>>
>>> Cave nekkid, I say...
>>>
>>> Stefan Creaser
>>> Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
>>> 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
>>> Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
>>> Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On
>>> Behalf Of John Kerr
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:47 PM
>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions
>>>
>>> So no clothing, footwear, lights, rope, vertical gear, packs, camping
>>> equipment, etc. that has ever been in a Texas cave should be brought to New
>>> Mexico at all, let alone go underground.
>>>
>>> Some people may be sporting entirely new wardrobes. ;-)
>>>
>>> John Kerr
>>> jck...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Jacqueline Thomas 
 wrote:

 You bet, Mark. It was your question regarding how long ago? that
 prompted folks to ask me to pass on the latest through the remailer. Jacq.


 J. LaRue Thomas
 jlrtho...@verizon.net


 On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:44 AM, mark gee 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Jacqui
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:35 PM, Jacqueline Thomas <
> jlrtho...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> I just got home from the Spring Convention for the Southwest Region
> and I said I would post the gear update since Pd has been identified in
> Texas:
>
> No Texas gear that has been in a Texas cave can come to New Mexico. We
> all either need new, dedicated gear for NM or we need to borrow New Mexico
> gear when we get there. There is no safe date (as in, “I haven’t caved 
> with
> this gear for 3 years”).
>
> And so it goes. Jacqui
>
>
> J. LaRue Thomas
> jlrtho...@verizon.net
>
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Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

[Joe Ranzau]

Would it solve the arbitrary ban on all Texas gear if I decided to cave
nekkid at convention?

In all seriousness, decon protocols and a reasonable ban on contaminated
gear makes sense.  A blanket ban on all Texas gear doesn't, folks seem to
forget that state boundaries are political and have little practical
relevance to the spread of something found in a remote and rarely caved in
portion of the state.  It's like saying no US gear is welcome in Mexico
(hyperbole, I know).

Before I'm jumped, I appreciate all that everyone is doing to host
convention, protect our bat friends and manage government agencies that
would just as easily close caves as deal with these issues.

I'm just asking for some common sense consideration or more elaboration on
the reasoning.

Joe

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Allan Cobb  wrote:

> If you have ever caved nekkid in Texas, you will not be allowed to cave
> nekkid in New Mexico.
>
> Allan
>
> On 4/26/2017 12:52 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
>
>> Cave nekkid, I say...
>>
>> Stefan Creaser
>> Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
>> 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
>> Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
>> Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf
>> Of John Kerr
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:47 PM
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions
>>
>> So no clothing, footwear, lights, rope, vertical gear, packs, camping
>> equipment, etc. that has ever been in a Texas cave should be brought to New
>> Mexico at all, let alone go underground.
>>
>> Some people may be sporting entirely new wardrobes. ;-)
>>
>> John Kerr
>> jck...@gmail.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Jacqueline Thomas 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You bet, Mark. It was your question regarding how long ago? that
>>> prompted folks to ask me to pass on the latest through the remailer. Jacq.
>>>
>>>
>>> J. LaRue Thomas
>>> jlrtho...@verizon.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:44 AM, mark gee  wrote:

 Thanks Jacqui



 On Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:35 PM, Jacqueline Thomas <
 jlrtho...@verizon.net> wrote:


 I just got home from the Spring Convention for the Southwest Region and
 I said I would post the gear update since Pd has been identified in Texas:

 No Texas gear that has been in a Texas cave can come to New Mexico. We
 all either need new, dedicated gear for NM or we need to borrow New Mexico
 gear when we get there. There is no safe date (as in, “I haven’t caved with
 this gear for 3 years”).

 And so it goes. Jacqui


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Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

[Allan Cobb]

If you have ever caved nekkid in Texas, you will not be allowed to cave 
nekkid in New Mexico.


Allan
On 4/26/2017 12:52 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:

Cave nekkid, I say...

Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser


-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
John Kerr
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:47 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

So no clothing, footwear, lights, rope, vertical gear, packs, camping 
equipment, etc. that has ever been in a Texas cave should be brought to New 
Mexico at all, let alone go underground.

Some people may be sporting entirely new wardrobes. ;-)

John Kerr
jck...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Jacqueline Thomas  wrote:

You bet, Mark. It was your question regarding how long ago? that prompted folks 
to ask me to pass on the latest through the remailer. Jacq.


J. LaRue Thomas
jlrtho...@verizon.net



On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:44 AM, mark gee  wrote:

Thanks Jacqui



On Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:35 PM, Jacqueline Thomas  
wrote:


I just got home from the Spring Convention for the Southwest Region and I said 
I would post the gear update since Pd has been identified in Texas:

No Texas gear that has been in a Texas cave can come to New Mexico. We all 
either need new, dedicated gear for NM or we need to borrow New Mexico gear 
when we get there. There is no safe date (as in, “I haven’t caved with this 
gear for 3 years”).

And so it goes. Jacqui


J. LaRue Thomas
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Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

[Stefan Creaser]

Cave nekkid, I say...

Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
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-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
John Kerr
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:47 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

So no clothing, footwear, lights, rope, vertical gear, packs, camping 
equipment, etc. that has ever been in a Texas cave should be brought to New 
Mexico at all, let alone go underground.

Some people may be sporting entirely new wardrobes. ;-)

John Kerr
jck...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Jacqueline Thomas  wrote:
>
> You bet, Mark. It was your question regarding how long ago? that prompted 
> folks to ask me to pass on the latest through the remailer. Jacq.
>
>
> J. LaRue Thomas
> jlrtho...@verizon.net
>
>
>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:44 AM, mark gee  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Jacqui
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:35 PM, Jacqueline Thomas 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got home from the Spring Convention for the Southwest Region and I 
>> said I would post the gear update since Pd has been identified in Texas:
>>
>> No Texas gear that has been in a Texas cave can come to New Mexico. We all 
>> either need new, dedicated gear for NM or we need to borrow New Mexico gear 
>> when we get there. There is no safe date (as in, “I haven’t caved with this 
>> gear for 3 years”).
>>
>> And so it goes. Jacqui
>>
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>> jlrtho...@verizon.net
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Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

[John Kerr]

So no clothing, footwear, lights, rope, vertical gear, packs, camping 
equipment, etc. that has ever been in a Texas cave should be brought to New 
Mexico at all, let alone go underground.

Some people may be sporting entirely new wardrobes. ;-)

John Kerr
jck...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Jacqueline Thomas  wrote:
> 
> You bet, Mark. It was your question regarding how long ago? that prompted 
> folks to ask me to pass on the latest through the remailer. Jacq.
> 
> 
> J. LaRue Thomas
> jlrtho...@verizon.net
> 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:44 AM, mark gee  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Jacqui
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:35 PM, Jacqueline Thomas 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I just got home from the Spring Convention for the Southwest Region and I 
>> said I would post the gear update since Pd has been identified in Texas:
>> 
>> No Texas gear that has been in a Texas cave can come to New Mexico. We all 
>> either need new, dedicated gear for NM or we need to borrow New Mexico gear 
>> when we get there. There is no safe date (as in, “I haven’t caved with this 
>> gear for 3 years”).
>> 
>> And so it goes. Jacqui
>> 
>> 
>> J. LaRue Thomas
>> jlrtho...@verizon.net
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[Texascavers] Houston related

[David]

Is anyone from Houston interested in driving to Bandera this weekend and
saying hello to a few cavers and then high-tailing it back to Houston a few
hours later ??

I just paid $ 210 for a seedy Houston motel for Friday, Saturday and
Sunday, and I have work and family stuff going on this weekend near or at
the motel.

I can provide luxurious 4x4 Sequoia and most of gas ?   But I need to sleep
and snore very loudly while someone else drives.

David Locklear
( 281-995-8487 )

P.S.

In the new movie, "Free Fire," one of actors playing one the gangsters
looks a lot like last month's "Mystery Caver of the Month," and even talks
exactly like them.
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Re: [Texascavers] Oztotl

[PRESTON FORSYTHE]

Thanks. That worked. Surprised to read the first major work on Oztotl was 
published in the Kentucky Caver, 1965. Who was that author? And, why KY to 
pulbish? Funkhouser and Webb were two very famous archaeologists from UKY and 
ventured not only all over KY in the 1930's but the southeast as well. One of 
their sites was Indian Knoll across the Green River not far from Paradise, KY. 
Maybe the reputation of those two atracted the Oztotl author to KY.
https://cavetexas.org/mexico/oztotl.html


Preston at Browder, KY


 

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 6:35 AM, Terry Holsinger  
wrote:
 

 Mixon's link has a period after the html, delete that and it will open.

https://cavetexas.org/mexico/oztotl.html

Terry  H.

On 4/26/2017 4:39 AM, PRESTON FORSYTHE wrote:
> That page would not open for me. The Oztotl expert of couse is Gill
> Ediger. I still have some of his Oztotl T-shirts, now hanging in my
> workshop.
>
> Preston Forsythe in west KY
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:20 PM, Mixon Bill
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Re: [Texascavers] Oztotl

[Terry Holsinger]

Mixon's link has a period after the html, delete that and it will open.

https://cavetexas.org/mexico/oztotl.html

Terry  H.

On 4/26/2017 4:39 AM, PRESTON FORSYTHE wrote:

That page would not open for me. The Oztotl expert of couse is Gill
Ediger. I still have some of his Oztotl T-shirts, now hanging in my
workshop.

Preston Forsythe in west KY


On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:20 PM, Mixon Bill
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See the "Oztotl page" at https://cavetexas.org/mexico/oztotl.html.
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[Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention

[tom rogers]

Cavers,
When arriving at the park don't go to the office! Go directly to the chapas 
campground. The organizers have been working hard to bring you a very nice 
convention. Hope to see everyone there.
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Re: [Texascavers] Oztotl

[PRESTON FORSYTHE]

That page would not open for me. The Oztotl expert of couse is Gill Ediger. I 
still have some of his Oztotl T-shirts, now hanging in my workshop. 
Preston Forsythe in west KY 

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