Re: [Texascavers] Looking for Triston Nguyen

[jranzau]

That depends entirely on Triston!

No pressure…

Joe Ranzau
210.289.6839

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 6:01 PM, Bill Steele  wrote:
> 
> How much was raised by the auction in support of the good work of the TCMA?
> 
> Bill Steele
> Irving, Texas
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Joe Ranzau  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all - 
>> 
>> Triston or someone that knows them, please reach out to me offline at 
>> i...@tcmacaves.org to settle your TCR auction tab.  There was a typo in our 
>> notes so we can’t do it without email with you.  Apologies, we had a 
>> technology snag at the auction.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Joe Ranzau
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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for Triston Nguyen

[Bill Steele]

How much was raised by the auction in support of the good work of the TCMA?

Bill Steele
Irving, Texas

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Joe Ranzau  wrote:
> 
> Hey all - 
> 
> Triston or someone that knows them, please reach out to me offline at 
> i...@tcmacaves.org to settle your TCR auction tab.  There was a typo in our 
> notes so we can’t do it without email with you.  Apologies, we had a 
> technology snag at the auction.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Joe Ranzau
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[Texascavers] Looking for Triston Nguyen

[Joe Ranzau]

Hey all - 

Triston or someone that knows them, please reach out to me offline at 
i...@tcmacaves.org to settle your TCR auction tab.  There was a typo in our 
notes so we can’t do it without email with you.  Apologies, we had a technology 
snag at the auction.

Thanks!

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[Texascavers] Looking for Terry Rains' email address

[Aimee Beveridge]

I apparently have an old email address.  Appreciate it if someone could send me 
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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for Terry Rains' email address

[Mark Minton]

Terry’s business email, but he sometimes also uses it for personal messages: 
.

 

Mark Minton

 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 5:48 PM
To: texascavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for Terry Rains' email address

 

I apparently have an old email address.  Appreciate it if someone could send me 
an update.  Merci, Aimee

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Re: [Texascavers] looking for cave near Langtry

[grubbsi]

LiDAR for that area is recently available so if there is a significant surface 
feature associated with this cave it may be located thru that. Send me coords 
AGG 

From: "George Veni"  
To: "texascavers"  
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 12:24:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for cave near Langtry 



John and Terry, 



Curiosity got me digging. 



John, there was no cave in the Texas Speleological Survey database that matched 
your information. There is now. I’ve plugged your information into the database 
at a location that might be the site of an old homestead but really needs 
someone to check the county property records to confirm where the Walter Babb 
Ranch headquarters was precisely located (although during my digging I found a 
1953 El Paso newspaper article where Babb was allegedly caught stealing 
cattle). 



Terry, Fielder Canyon Cave is in the TSS database, but not in Texas. Several 
Texas caves and karst features without location information are assigned the 
same set of default coordinates in southeast New Mexico. Once location 
information is available, they are relocated back into Texas. Using the 
information you sent, I moved the cave into Texas to coordinates that are 
probably accurate to within about 1,500 m. 



George 




 

George Veni, PhD 

Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) 

and 

President, International Union of Speleology (UIS) 



NCKRI address (primary) 

400-1 Cascades Avenue 

Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA 

Office: +575-887-5517 

Mobile: +210-863-5919 

Fax: +575-887-5523 

[ mailto:gv...@nckri.org | gv...@nckri.org ] 


[ http://www.nckri.org/ | www.nckri.org ] 



UIS address 

Titov trg 2 

Postojna, 6230 Slovenia 





From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of john 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 01:23 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com; karstwal...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for cave near Langtry 




This isn’t the one I’m looking for, but thanks for the reference. I had not 
seen this one written up before although I’ve been to several caves and lots of 
occupied rockshelters near here. 


John 









On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:43 PM, Karstwalker < [ mailto:karstwal...@gmail.com | 
karstwal...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 





So might this be the cave listed in NSS Bulletin No10 as Fielder Canyon Cave? 
See attached description 

Terry H. 

On 2021-04-28 12:39, john wrote: 


BQ_BEGIN


Hi All, 
Hopefully someone can help me locate a small vertical cave north or northwest 
of Langtry. I have known of this cave for decades, but because of its history 
relative to the family, I have put off recording the cave (or even visiting it) 
until now. Most of the family is now dead, and with me at the end of life the 
location and history of the cave will be lost soon. I don’t think it is 
mentioned in the Caves of Val Verde County, but it should end up in the county 
files for both caves and archeology for future reference and history. 
It is a small vertical pit with supposedly a small opening entrance and ample 
interior space. I have no idea if it has vertical walls or bells out. It should 
be fairly close to the old Walter Babb ranch headquarters, which I assume was 
his small ranchhouse, shed, and normal old-style pens. Since I have never been 
to the cave, I don’t know its exact location, but it was rumored to be a 
vertical pit relatively near the house. The cave would be similar to the 
vertical pits of Hitzfelder and Mason’s Indian Cave and nothing like Lead or 
any of the other Langtry area caves. 
If anyone has any ideas or general information, you can post them to this list. 
But if you have the exact location, please respond to me personally at [ 
mailto:jgr...@greerservices.com | jgr...@greerservices.com ] < [ 
mailto:jgr...@greerservices.com | mailto:jgr...@greerservices.com ] > or text 
me at 307-267-2036. Many thanks. 
Web info on Walter Babb: 
Born 1877, Georgia. 
Ranch between Langtry and Pandale. 
Babb Ranch 8.24 miles north-northwest of Langtry. 
“Both my parents went to the cave they [bank robbers] hid out in on the Babb 
Ranch between Pandale and Langtry”. [I suspect that is some large rockshelter 
down on the river and not the small vertical cave I am interested in.]. “Walter 
Babb took them [the author’s parents] around to some of the caves, one still 
had Indian artifacts inside [again, he is talking about occupied shelters along 
the river or in the canyon]. 
Cemetery in Langtry: Ike Babb 1856-1934 (probably Will and Walter’s father); 
William Lewis Babb 1876-1913 (killed in Langtry); other family members buried 
here born 1836, 1849. 
[my irrelevant comment] Walter was presumably Boye Babb’s father. Boye lived 
just west of Langtry, just above Langtry Creek. We dug the Langtry Creek Burial 
Cave just below his house in 1963 or so, at the _same_ time that he got into a 
gun fight at his house and was killed, just after he gave us permission

Re: [Texascavers] looking for cave near Langtry

[john]

This isn’t the one I’m looking for, but thanks for the reference. I had not 
seen this one written up before although I’ve been to several caves and lots of 
occupied rockshelters near here. 
John

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:43 PM, Karstwalker  wrote:
> 
> So might this be the cave listed in NSS Bulletin No10 as Fielder Canyon Cave?
> See attached description
> 
> Terry H.
> 
> On 2021-04-28 12:39, john wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> Hopefully someone can help me locate a small vertical cave north or 
>> northwest of Langtry. I have known of this cave for decades, but because of 
>> its history relative to the family, I have put off recording the cave (or 
>> even visiting it) until now. Most of the family is now dead, and with me at 
>> the end of life the location and history of the cave will be lost soon. I 
>> don’t think it is mentioned in the Caves of Val Verde County, but it should 
>> end up in the county files for both caves and archeology for future 
>> reference and history.
>> It is a small vertical pit with supposedly a small opening entrance and 
>> ample interior space. I have no idea if it has vertical walls or bells out. 
>> It should be fairly close to the old Walter Babb ranch headquarters, which I 
>> assume was his small ranchhouse, shed, and normal old-style pens. Since I 
>> have never been to the cave, I don’t know its exact location, but it was 
>> rumored to be a vertical pit relatively near the house. The cave would be 
>> similar to the vertical pits of Hitzfelder and Mason’s Indian Cave and 
>> nothing like Lead or any of the other Langtry area caves.
>> If anyone has any ideas or general information, you can post them to this 
>> list. But if you have the exact location, please respond to me personally at 
>> jgr...@greerservices.com  
>> > or text 
>> me at 307-267-2036. Many thanks.
>> Web info on Walter Babb:
>> Born 1877, Georgia.
>> Ranch between Langtry and Pandale.
>> Babb Ranch 8.24 miles north-northwest of Langtry.
>> “Both my parents went to the cave they [bank robbers] hid out in on the Babb 
>> Ranch between Pandale and Langtry”. [I suspect that is some large 
>> rockshelter down on the river and not the small vertical cave I am 
>> interested in.]. “Walter Babb took them [the author’s parents] around to 
>> some of the caves, one still had Indian artifacts inside [again, he is 
>> talking about occupied shelters along the river or in the canyon].
>> Cemetery in Langtry: Ike Babb 1856-1934 (probably Will and Walter’s father); 
>> William Lewis Babb 1876-1913 (killed in Langtry); other family members 
>> buried here born 1836, 1849.
>> [my irrelevant comment] Walter was presumably Boye Babb’s father. Boye lived 
>> just west of Langtry, just above Langtry Creek. We dug the Langtry Creek 
>> Burial Cave just below his house in 1963 or so, at the _same_ time that he 
>> got into a gun fight at his house and was killed, just after he gave us 
>> permission to go on in. [This has nothing to do with the cave up off of 
>> Pandale Road, just my reminiscence.]
>> John Greer
>> nss 14018
>> ___
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Re: [Texascavers] looking for cave near Langtry

[Karstwalker]

So might this be the cave listed in NSS Bulletin No10 as Fielder 
Canyon Cave?

 See attached description

Terry H.

On 2021-04-28 12:39, john wrote:

Hi All,

Hopefully someone can help me locate a small vertical cave north or 
northwest of Langtry. I have known of this cave for decades, but 
because of its history relative to the family, I have put off 
recording the cave (or even visiting it) until now. Most of the family 
is now dead, and with me at the end of life the location and history 
of the cave will be lost soon. I don’t think it is mentioned in the 
Caves of Val Verde County, but it should end up in the county files 
for both caves and archeology for future reference and history.


It is a small vertical pit with supposedly a small opening entrance 
and ample interior space. I have no idea if it has vertical walls or 
bells out. It should be fairly close to the old Walter Babb ranch 
headquarters, which I assume was his small ranchhouse, shed, and 
normal old-style pens. Since I have never been to the cave, I don’t 
know its exact location, but it was rumored to be a vertical pit 
relatively near the house. The cave would be similar to the vertical 
pits of Hitzfelder and Mason’s Indian Cave and nothing like Lead or 
any of the other Langtry area caves.


If anyone has any ideas or general information, you can post them to 
this list. But if you have the exact location, please respond to me 
personally at jgr...@greerservices.com 
 or text me at 307-267-2036. Many 
thanks.


Web info on Walter Babb:
Born 1877, Georgia.
Ranch between Langtry and Pandale.
Babb Ranch 8.24 miles north-northwest of Langtry.
“Both my parents went to the cave they [bank robbers] hid out in on 
the Babb Ranch between Pandale and Langtry”. [I suspect that is some 
large rockshelter down on the river and not the small vertical cave I 
am interested in.]. “Walter Babb took them [the author’s parents] 
around to some of the caves, one still had Indian artifacts inside 
[again, he is talking about occupied shelters along the river or in 
the canyon].
Cemetery in Langtry: Ike Babb 1856-1934 (probably Will and Walter’s 
father); William Lewis Babb 1876-1913 (killed in Langtry); other 
family members buried here born 1836, 1849.


[my irrelevant comment] Walter was presumably Boye Babb’s father. Boye 
lived just west of Langtry, just above Langtry Creek. We dug the 
Langtry Creek Burial Cave just below his house in 1963 or so, at the 
_same_ time that he got into a gun fight at his house and was killed, 
just after he gave us permission to go on in. [This has nothing to do 
with the cave up off of Pandale Road, just my reminiscence.]


John Greer
nss 14018



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[Texascavers] looking for cave near Langtry

[john]

Hi All, 

Hopefully someone can help me locate a small vertical cave north or northwest 
of Langtry. I have known of this cave for decades, but because of its history 
relative to the family, I have put off recording the cave (or even visiting it) 
until now. Most of the family is now dead, and with me at the end of life the 
location and history of the cave will be lost soon. I don’t think it is 
mentioned in the Caves of Val Verde County, but it should end up in the county 
files for both caves and archeology for future reference and history. 

It is a small vertical pit with supposedly a small opening entrance and ample 
interior space. I have no idea if it has vertical walls or bells out. It should 
be fairly close to the old Walter Babb ranch headquarters, which I assume was 
his small ranchhouse, shed, and normal old-style pens. Since I have never been 
to the cave, I don’t know its exact location, but it was rumored to be a 
vertical pit relatively near the house. The cave would be similar to the 
vertical pits of Hitzfelder and Mason’s Indian Cave and nothing like Lead or 
any of the other Langtry area caves. 

If anyone has any ideas or general information, you can post them to this list. 
But if you have the exact location, please respond to me personally at 
jgr...@greerservices.com  or text me at 
307-267-2036. Many thanks. 

Web info on Walter Babb: 
Born 1877, Georgia.
Ranch between Langtry and Pandale. 
Babb Ranch 8.24 miles north-northwest of Langtry. 
“Both my parents went to the cave they [bank robbers] hid out in on the Babb 
Ranch between Pandale and Langtry”. [I suspect that is some large rockshelter 
down on the river and not the small vertical cave I am interested in.]. “Walter 
Babb took them [the author’s parents] around to some of the caves, one still 
had Indian artifacts inside [again, he is talking about occupied shelters along 
the river or in the canyon]. 
Cemetery in Langtry: Ike Babb 1856-1934 (probably Will and Walter’s father); 
William Lewis Babb 1876-1913 (killed in Langtry); other family members buried 
here born 1836, 1849. 

[my irrelevant comment] Walter was presumably Boye Babb’s father. Boye lived 
just west of Langtry, just above Langtry Creek. We dug the Langtry Creek Burial 
Cave just below his house in 1963 or so, at the same time that he got into a 
gun fight at his house and was killed, just after he gave us permission to go 
on in. [This has nothing to do with the cave up off of Pandale Road, just my 
reminiscence.]

John Greer
nss 14018


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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for old caver

[Jocelyn Hooper]

Susie used to be a flight attendant with American. Aspen married a med
student in Houston. No contact in many years.
Jocie

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wrote:

> Susie Lasko, and/or her daughter Aspen Adams (don’t remember her married
> name). Trying to track down some photos. HELP!
> katie
> 
> Katherine ArensPhones: Office(512) 232-6363
>
> 
> ar...@austin.utexas.edu   Dept. Phone:  (512) 471-4123
> Dept. of Germanic Studies FAX (512) 471-4025
> 2505 University Ave, C3300
> 
>   Bldg
> .Location:
>  Burdine 336
> University of Texas at Austin Office:  Burdine 320
> Austin, TX  78712-1802
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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for old caver

[Steve Keselik]

 I've also wondered about Susie since she's been absent.She was a mainstay
of Texas caving, every vertical work shop and other things she was involved
with. she was my mentor at CWAN for the photo workshop,back when we used
film, 1998 right after I recovered from adult chickenpox. The illness
almost brought me down, I begged for the vaccination but they wouldn't give
it to me before hand.. Too many tie ins . I hope for a good report on her !


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On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 10:19 PM Katherine Arens 
wrote:

> Susie Lasko, and/or her daughter Aspen Adams (don’t remember her married
> name). Trying to track down some photos. HELP!
> katie
> 
> Katherine ArensPhones: Office(512) 232-6363
> ar...@austin.utexas.edu   Dept. Phone:  (512) 471-4123
> Dept. of Germanic Studies FAX (512) 471-4025
> 2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
> University of Texas at Austin Office:  Burdine 320
> Austin, TX  78712-1802
>   -. .-
>  _..-'()`-.._
>  ./'. '||\\.(\_/) .//||` .`\.
>   ./'.|'.'\\|..)O O(..|//`.`|.`\.
> ./'..|'.|| |\`` '`" '` ''/| ||.`|..`\.
>   ./'.||'. .  .  .`||.`\.
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[Texascavers] Looking for old caver

[Katherine Arens]

Susie Lasko, and/or her daughter Aspen Adams (don’t remember her married name). 
Trying to track down some photos. HELP!
katie

Katherine ArensPhones: Office(512) 232-6363
ar...@austin.utexas.edu   Dept. Phone:  (512) 
471-4123
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2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
University of Texas at Austin Office:  Burdine 320
Austin, TX  78712-1802
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[Texascavers] Looking for folks!

[Heather Tucek]

I'm receiving bounced emails from the following people, if you could please
contact me off-list so I can update your information in the TSA database
(or you can tell me to take your name off the email list..)? Thanks!

Jessica Buckles
Ed Gelsone
Jill Hemperly
Shawn Ruzek


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[Texascavers] Looking for written report on Cave Rescue / Death at Drop me twice until I die cave in Kendall Co.

[Robert B]

Looking for any and all written reports on Cave Rescue / Death at "Drop me
twice until I die" cave in Kendall Co.

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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for Christmas gifts?

[Randy Baker via Texascavers]

Bennett,
  Can you bring one to the next Bexar Grotto meeting for me?  I'll pay
then, or now with PayPal if you prefer.

Thanks
Randy

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Bennett Lee via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> For those who missed TCR, the Texas Cavers Calendar 2018 are still
> available. Makes great Christmas gifts, gift exchange, Secret Santa,
> birthdays, etc. (WARNING: not suitable for work.) I'm about sixteen
> calendars shy of breaking even on the printing costs. After that, all the
> calendar proceeds benefit TCMA.
>
>
>
> $20 each + $4 shipping.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

[Jerry via Texascavers]

--- Begin Message ---
While I personally agree with Dr. Tuttle's message regarding the effectiveness 
of current WNS decon protocols on reducing the spread rate of Pd and WNS in the 
US, I believe that it is somewhat irrelevant to the issue of whether we, as 
cavers should comply to mandated decon regulations. Cavers tend to chafe at 
being told to do things that they don't agree with, no matter how trivial or 
easy it is to comply with. Nonetheless, the NSS, as an organization that 
attempts to embody national recognition and respect amongst the different 
federal and state regulatory agencies that manage public lands, should maintain 
a hard line on caver and member compliance. -- Not start an online discussion 
about the relevancy of the protocols in the guise of educating the membership. 

It is disappointing that after the Ely debacle in 2016, and increased concern 
on the part of the federal agencies to address the WNS issue, that the 
leadership of the NSS continues to nibble at the edges of dissent, instead of 
guiding the NSS through a time of trouble. 

Jerry Atkinson
Chairman - SWR of the National Speleological Society.
 

 

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Date

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It is easier to blame the cavers than accept that we are not able to control a 
natural process.


The decon mandate makes it look like we are doing something and gives some 
folks the warm fuzzies.


Cleaning gear should be a normal process, kinda nice not dealing with the end 
result of wet muddy gear that was stuffed in a plastic bag and left there for a 
few weeks.

 

Carol




  
 
 
  
 From: Geary Schindel via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com" <texascavers@texascavers.com> 
Cc: Geary Schindel <gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>; 
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 Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri
  
 


  

Folks,
 
  
 
While I think that cleaning gear is a great idea for a lot of reasons, it was 
very interesting to listen to Dr. Tuttle’s Keynote presentation on WNS and bats 
at the NSS Convention Friday Banquet. To paraphrase him, Deconning of equipment 
will do no good in preventing the spread of WNS. There has been no documented 
case of the transmittal of WNS by cavers and bats are doing a great job 
already. WNS will spread across the continent, killing an untold number of 
bats, and there is nothing that cavers can do about it.
 
  
 
Any thought out there in caver land.
 
  
 
Geary Schindel
 
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
 
  
 
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]On Behalf Of 
Galen Falgout via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:14 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri
 
  
 

And make sure that gear gets decon after caving in the ozarks the have WNS very 
bad there! 
 
  
 

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:30 AM Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
 

Contact Jonathan Beard, and tell him Crash sent you. He's in the NSS Members 
Manual.

Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, jaycc Jordan via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello cavers,
>
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
>
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
>
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I 
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the 

Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

[C Tiderman via Texascavers]

--- Begin Message ---
It is easier to blame the cavers than accept that we are not able to control a 
natural process.
The decon mandate makes it look like we are doing something and gives some 
folks the warm fuzzies.
Cleaning gear should be a normal process, kinda nice not dealing with the end 
result of wet muddy gear that was stuffed in a plastic bag and left there for a 
few weeks. Carol

  From: Geary Schindel via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com" <texascavers@texascavers.com> 
Cc: Geary Schindel <gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>; 
"greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com" 
<greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri
   
 Folks,    
While I think that cleaning gear is a great idea for a lot of reasons, it was 
very interesting to listen to Dr. Tuttle’s Keynote presentation on WNS and bats 
at the NSS Convention Friday Banquet. To paraphrase him, Deconning of equipment 
will do no good in preventing the spread of WNS. There has been no documented 
case of the transmittal of WNS by cavers and bats are doing a great job 
already. WNS will spread across the continent, killing an untold number of 
bats, and there is nothing that cavers can do about it.    Any thought out 
there in caver land.    Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org    From: 
Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]On Behalf Of Galen 
Falgout via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:14 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: Galen Falgout <galenfalg...@gmail.com>; 
greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri    And make 
sure that gear gets decon after caving in the ozarks the have WNS very bad 
there!     On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:30 AM Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: 
Contact Jonathan Beard, and tell him Crash sent you. He's in the NSS Members 
Manual.

Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, jaycc Jordan via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello cavers,
>
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
>
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
>
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I 
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if anyone 
> has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with me please 
> let me know.
>
> Thank you!
>
> - Jordan
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Re: [Texascavers] looking for caving tips -Missouri

[David via Texascavers]

Over in southeast Missouri, between Eminence and Round Spring you will find
fun things to do.   Check out "Devil's Well" as you can do that by
yourself.   Even better, ask around to see if there is some caver that
knows how to actually rappel into it.   I think there is a light-bulb at
the bottom that some caver is lucky enough to be in charge of.   Round
Spring Cave has a lantern tour, I think.

Lots of good swimming and some cliff-diving around there.   There is a
commercial cave around there somewhere, and several north of there.

On my trip there I had hoped to tour Cathedral Cave, but I missed the only
tour, or it wasn't running when I got there.

Worse case scenario, is some caves have expensive wild tours.

David Locklear

P.S.

I was officially was an active GHG member from 1989 to 1992 & 1994 to 1995
)   I have worked in Houston for 27 years, but never really lived there,
unless you consider being a vagabond as living.I lived in College
Station in 1993 and was active in A.S.S. that year and had little contact
with GHG except for seeing a few of the active members at TCR, several of
whom are no longer with us or vanished or moved far away.   All of that is
a very fuzzy memory now.

I bumped into Charles Fromen about 3 weeks ago.   He and I visited Las
Grutas del Precipicio in 1991.   And in 1989 we went to Minas Viejas cave
called Cuchillo.
His son and experienced caver, Carl Philip Fromen owns an impressive shop
repairing large industrial earth-movers in the town of Cypress, meaning
large backhoes, bull-dozers, cranes, etc.

I hope to go back to Missouri as a tourist again someday.


Still no word on my Sequoia yet.   Man that s*cks.
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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Folks,

While I think that cleaning gear is a great idea for a lot of reasons, it was 
very interesting to listen to Dr. Tuttle’s Keynote presentation on WNS and bats 
at the NSS Convention Friday Banquet. To paraphrase him, Deconning of equipment 
will do no good in preventing the spread of WNS. There has been no documented 
case of the transmittal of WNS by cavers and bats are doing a great job 
already. WNS will spread across the continent, killing an untold number of 
bats, and there is nothing that cavers can do about it.

Any thought out there in caver land.

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org<mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Galen Falgout via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:14 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: Galen Falgout <galenfalg...@gmail.com>; 
greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

And make sure that gear gets decon after caving in the ozarks the have WNS very 
bad there!

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:30 AM Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Contact Jonathan Beard, and tell him Crash sent you. He's in the NSS Members 
Manual.

Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, jaycc Jordan via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Hello cavers,
>
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
>
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
>
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I 
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if anyone 
> has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with me please 
> let me know.
>
> Thank you!
>
> - Jordan
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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Pete,

That is a good point, if you're not an NSS Member, joining gives you 
credibility as a serious caver when you're contacting cavers in other regions. 
In addition, the members manual and the NSS web page at www.caves.org are great 
resources for finding cavers in other areas.

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org 

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
pstrickland1--- via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:16 AM
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Cc: pstrickla...@austin.rr.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

   I don't knowif you are an NSS member or can find your members manual, but 
mine shows "Springfield Plateau Grotto, www.spgcavers.org ,Jonathan Beard , 
mokan...@att.net ,417 887 7231Pete Strickland
 jaycc Jordan via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: 
> Hello cavers,
> 
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
> 
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
> 
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave 
> while I am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. 
> So, if anyone has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go 
> caving with me please let me know.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> - Jordan

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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

[pstrickland1--- via Texascavers]

   I don't knowif you are an NSS member or can find your members manual, but 
mine shows "Springfield Plateau Grotto, www.spgcavers.org ,Jonathan Beard , 
mokan...@att.net ,417 887 7231Pete Strickland
 jaycc Jordan via Texascavers  wrote: 
> Hello cavers,
> 
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
> 
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
> 
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if anyone
> has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with me
> please let me know.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> - Jordan

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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

[Galen Falgout via Texascavers]

And make sure that gear gets decon after caving in the ozarks the have WNS
very bad there!

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:30 AM Jim Kennedy via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Contact Jonathan Beard, and tell him Crash sent you. He's in the NSS
> Members Manual.
>
> Jim
>
> Mobile email from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, jaycc Jordan via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello cavers,
> >
> > I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
> >
> > I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
> >
> > I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave
> while I am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if
> anyone has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with
> me please let me know.
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > - Jordan
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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

[Jim Kennedy via Texascavers]

Contact Jonathan Beard, and tell him Crash sent you. He's in the NSS Members 
Manual. 

Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, jaycc Jordan via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello cavers,
> 
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
> 
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
> 
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I 
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if anyone 
> has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with me please 
> let me know.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> - Jordan 
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[Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

[jaycc Jordan via Texascavers]

Hello cavers,

I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in
Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.

I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains

I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I
am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if anyone
has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with me
please let me know.

Thank you!

- Jordan
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[Texascavers] Looking for LIDAR cave data and photos

[gpassmore]

Hi All. For the TSA Spring convention,  I would like to prepare some virtual 
reality experiences with a cave LIDAR dataset of a smallish room.  Ideally, 
there would be photographs of the area or photometric data with the point cloud 
samples.  If someone has data they are willing to share, I will get it up and 
running on the Oculus and bring it to the TSA convention for everyone to enjoy. 
 The user will be able to walk around in the cave room.  If there data is more 
extensive, I can add in walkways for fun as well.  Please write me at 
g...@passmorelab.com you fit the bill. Credit, appreciation and lots public 
praise will go to you for help on this.  

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Re: [Texascavers] [Looking for canon video]

[Ron Ralph via Texascavers]

Any sign of my Yeti cup?

I await your Budget Request for 2017

-Original Message- 
From: Don Arburn via Texascavers

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:01 PM
To: TSA Cavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] [Looking for canon video]

Hoping there is video of the canon firing and/or smoke ring. Contact me.


--Don
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[Texascavers] [Looking for canon video]

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

Hoping there is video of the canon firing and/or smoke ring. Contact me.


--Don
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[Texascavers] looking for purple fleece hoodie from Colorado Bend

[Jennifer Thompson via Texascavers]

Hello all!

On the 12-13th I think I left my purple fleece hoodie in someone's truck 
at Colorado Bend State Park!  If you have it please let me know!


Thank you,
Jennifer Thompson
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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for TSA Bylaws

[Robert B via Texascavers]

Thanks everyone.
I missed the link on my search of the website

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Ron Ralph via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Rob and other interested TSA folks,
>
> Attached is the 2012 version of the bylaws.  I have no idea if it has been
> revised.  Ask the Secretary.
>
> Ron
>
> From: Robert B via Texascavers
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 11:20 AM
> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for TSA Bylaws
>
> I am looking for a copy of the latest TSA Bylaws and any amendments.
> I thought I might have a copy in my old files, but no luck.
>
> Rob Bisset
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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for TSA Bylaws

[Diana Tomchick via Texascavers]

Rob,

The Constitution and By-Laws are on the TSA Business page:

http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/tsaofficialbusiness.html

The date on the document is 2002. Has it been substantially changed since that 
time? If so, then this version should be swapped for the newest one.

Also, the meeting minutes from 2001 can be found on that page.

Diana

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> I am looking for a copy of the latest TSA Bylaws and any amendments.
> I thought I might have a copy in my old files, but no luck.
>
> Rob Bisset
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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for TSA Bylaws

[Ron Ralph via Texascavers]

Rob and other interested TSA folks,

Attached is the 2012 version of the bylaws.  I have no idea if it has been 
revised.  Ask the Secretary.

Ron

From: Robert B via Texascavers 
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I am looking for a copy of the latest TSA Bylaws and any amendments. 
I thought I might have a copy in my old files, but no luck.

Rob Bisset

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[Texascavers] Looking for TSA Bylaws

[Robert B via Texascavers]

I am looking for a copy of the latest TSA Bylaws and any amendments.
I thought I might have a copy in my old files, but no luck.

Rob Bisset
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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for

[Bob Oakley via Texascavers]

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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for

[Bob Oakley via Texascavers]

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[Texascavers] Looking for

[Kurt L. Menking via Texascavers]

I'm looking for contact info for Bob Oakley and Bob Lloyd.  Please contact me 
off list.

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[Texascavers] looking for Andy Grubbs

[Sam Young]

Andy, please get in touch with me.   Sam Young

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for contacts in Croatia and neighboring countries

[dirtdoc]

Thomas Sitch [mailto:dreadfl...@yahoo.com] 

Hi Thomas: 

Frenc Facija, a caver in Slovenia, operates a speleocamp near Laze with both a 
bunkhouse and campsites for visiting cavers. He is a very active caver with 
many contacts through the caving community. 

franc.fac...@siol.net , i...@speleocamp.com 

There are some images of Frenc and his facility on page 7 of 

http://www.focusedtours.com/images/Slovene-Karst%20final%201-30-09.pdf 

(It may take a moment to download the PDF file) 

We are currently in Terlingua, but plan to return home to Denver in early May. 
I think I have an extra copy of Ian Bishop's Cave Guide to Slovenia which I 
purchased from him in 2006. Ian has passed on and the publication is out of 
print. Let me know if you would be interested in obtaining that extra copy. 

DirtDoc 

RE: [Texascavers] Looking for contacts in Croatia and neighboring countries

[George Veni]

Here is a simple rule-of-thumb if you're planning to go caving outside of the 
US and are looking for contacts. Go to http://uis.caves.org/. The UIS 
(International Union of Speleology) is made of about 60 member countries, 
including Croatia. Contacts for those countries as well as their national and 
regional organizations are listed.

George


George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

From: Thomas Sitch [mailto:dreadfl...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 1:36 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for contacts in Croatia and neighboring countries

Hello Cavers!

I'm planning a trip to the shining Adriatic Sea for June, and was hoping to 
link up with some cavers in the Balkans.  I know a bunch of y'all have done 
expeditions out in that part of the world, and was wondering if you could 
connect me with any cavers in that region?

Best Regards,

~~Thomas

[Texascavers] Looking for Contact information

[Bill Bentley]

I am looking for contact information for Bill Stone.
Please reply off list.
Thanks,
Bill

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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for Contact information

[Charles Goldsmith]

http://www.stoneaerospace.com/contact-us/contact-us-contact-form.php

I know, I'm a dick :)


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[Bill Bentley]

Got it.
Thanks,
 Bill
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[Texascavers] Looking for photos

[Lee H. Skinner]

So any of you old timers out there have a photo of either Heinz T. 
Schwinge, Don Sawyer or Robbie Babb?  If so, please scan your slide or 
old photo and send it to me!


Lee Skinner

[Texascavers] Looking for photos

[Lee H. Skinner]

So any of you old timers out there have a photo of either Heinz T. 
Schwinge, Don Sawyer or Robbie Babb?  If so, please scan your slide or 
old photo and send it to me!


Lee Skinner

[Texascavers] Looking for photos

[Lee H. Skinner]

So any of you old timers out there have a photo of either Heinz T. 
Schwinge, Don Sawyer or Robbie Babb?  If so, please scan your slide or 
old photo and send it to me!


Lee Skinner

[Texascavers] looking for Susie Lasko

[Katherine Arens]

anyone have current contact info.  Reply off-list, please.
katie

Katherine Arens Office Phones: (512) 232-6363
ar...@austin.utexas.edu Dept. Phone:  (512) 471-4123
Dept. of Germanic Studies   FAX (512) 471-4025
2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
University of Texas at Austin   Office:  Burdine 320
Austin, TX  78712-1088

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[Texascavers] looking for Susie Lasko

[Katherine Arens]

anyone have current contact info.  Reply off-list, please.
katie

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Dept. of Germanic Studies   FAX (512) 471-4025
2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
University of Texas at Austin   Office:  Burdine 320
Austin, TX  78712-1088

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[Texascavers] looking for Susie Lasko

[Katherine Arens]

anyone have current contact info.  Reply off-list, please.
katie

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ar...@austin.utexas.edu Dept. Phone:  (512) 471-4123
Dept. of Germanic Studies   FAX (512) 471-4025
2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
University of Texas at Austin   Office:  Burdine 320
Austin, TX  78712-1088

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[Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[Lissa Talkington]

Hey all,
  Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in 
the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing 
caving !


Thanks,
  Melissa

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[R D Milhollin]

Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page?

There are 4 grottos listed: 

Baltimore Grotto in Fulton
Frederick Grotto in Westminister
Sligo Grotto in Millers
Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale

If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a 
personal contact to get hold of.

Have fun up there
RD



 From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
 

Hey all,
  Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in 
the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing 
caving !


Thanks,
  Melissa

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[Mark Minton]

Hi Lissa,

I am a former Terxas caver now living in Virginia.  I have 
many friends in the Baltimore Grotto.  It is probably the most active 
of the ones R D mentioned.  I can put you in touch with several 
people.  They do many active exploration trips, including major 
vertical caves in WV.  Let me know your interests and abilities and 
I'll introduce you.


Mark Minton

At 12:56 PM 9/18/2012, R D Milhollin wrote:

Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page?

There are 4 grottos listed:

Baltimore Grotto in Fulton
Frederick Grotto in Westminister
Sligo Grotto in Millers
Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale

If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give 
you a personal contact to get hold of.


Have fun up there
RD

From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

Hey all,
  Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in 
a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from 
Texas and are missing caving !


Thanks,
  Melissa


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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[Brian Freyling]

Not only is the Baltimore Grotto the most active of the 4 grottos
mentioned, but also since most the caving for the entire region is Done in
WV / Western VA the DC, Baltimore, and PSC (Northern VA) Grottos (all very
active) maintain a shared caving calendar and communicate events to each
other.

http://www.cavingclub.org/info/calendar/cal.pdf   user/pass: calend/gocave

For the more informal events make sure to get into the grottos mailing
list.  Note: VAR is happening this weekend, this is kind of like TCR with
lots of caving and partying.  I would highly recommend going.

-Brian


On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote:

 Hi Lissa,

 I am a former Terxas caver now living in Virginia.  I have many
 friends in the Baltimore Grotto.  It is probably the most active of the
 ones R D mentioned.  I can put you in touch with several people.  They do
 many active exploration trips, including major vertical caves in WV.  Let
 me know your interests and abilities and I'll introduce you.

 Mark Minton


 At 12:56 PM 9/18/2012, R D Milhollin wrote:

 Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page?

 There are 4 grottos listed:

 Baltimore Grotto in Fulton
 Frederick Grotto in Westminister
 Sligo Grotto in Millers
 Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale

 If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you
 a personal contact to get hold of.

 Have fun up there
 RD

 From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com
 To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM
 Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

 Hey all,
   Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a
 grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and
 are missing caving !

 Thanks,
   Melissa


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[Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[Lissa Talkington]

Hey all,
  Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in 
the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing 
caving !


Thanks,
  Melissa

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[R D Milhollin]

Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page?

There are 4 grottos listed: 

Baltimore Grotto in Fulton
Frederick Grotto in Westminister
Sligo Grotto in Millers
Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale

If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a 
personal contact to get hold of.

Have fun up there
RD



 From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
 

Hey all,
  Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in 
the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing 
caving !


Thanks,
  Melissa

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[Mark Minton]

Hi Lissa,

I am a former Terxas caver now living in Virginia.  I have 
many friends in the Baltimore Grotto.  It is probably the most active 
of the ones R D mentioned.  I can put you in touch with several 
people.  They do many active exploration trips, including major 
vertical caves in WV.  Let me know your interests and abilities and 
I'll introduce you.


Mark Minton

At 12:56 PM 9/18/2012, R D Milhollin wrote:

Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page?

There are 4 grottos listed:

Baltimore Grotto in Fulton
Frederick Grotto in Westminister
Sligo Grotto in Millers
Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale

If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give 
you a personal contact to get hold of.


Have fun up there
RD

From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

Hey all,
  Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in 
a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from 
Texas and are missing caving !


Thanks,
  Melissa


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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[Brian Freyling]

Not only is the Baltimore Grotto the most active of the 4 grottos
mentioned, but also since most the caving for the entire region is Done in
WV / Western VA the DC, Baltimore, and PSC (Northern VA) Grottos (all very
active) maintain a shared caving calendar and communicate events to each
other.

http://www.cavingclub.org/info/calendar/cal.pdf   user/pass: calend/gocave

For the more informal events make sure to get into the grottos mailing
list.  Note: VAR is happening this weekend, this is kind of like TCR with
lots of caving and partying.  I would highly recommend going.

-Brian


On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote:

 Hi Lissa,

 I am a former Terxas caver now living in Virginia.  I have many
 friends in the Baltimore Grotto.  It is probably the most active of the
 ones R D mentioned.  I can put you in touch with several people.  They do
 many active exploration trips, including major vertical caves in WV.  Let
 me know your interests and abilities and I'll introduce you.

 Mark Minton


 At 12:56 PM 9/18/2012, R D Milhollin wrote:

 Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page?

 There are 4 grottos listed:

 Baltimore Grotto in Fulton
 Frederick Grotto in Westminister
 Sligo Grotto in Millers
 Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale

 If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you
 a personal contact to get hold of.

 Have fun up there
 RD

 From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com
 To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM
 Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

 Hey all,
   Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a
 grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and
 are missing caving !

 Thanks,
   Melissa


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[Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[Lissa Talkington]

Hey all,
  Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in 
the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing 
caving !


Thanks,
  Melissa

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[R D Milhollin]

Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page?

There are 4 grottos listed: 

Baltimore Grotto in Fulton
Frederick Grotto in Westminister
Sligo Grotto in Millers
Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale

If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a 
personal contact to get hold of.

Have fun up there
RD



 From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
 

Hey all,
  Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in 
the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing 
caving !


Thanks,
  Melissa

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[Mark Minton]

Hi Lissa,

I am a former Terxas caver now living in Virginia.  I have 
many friends in the Baltimore Grotto.  It is probably the most active 
of the ones R D mentioned.  I can put you in touch with several 
people.  They do many active exploration trips, including major 
vertical caves in WV.  Let me know your interests and abilities and 
I'll introduce you.


Mark Minton

At 12:56 PM 9/18/2012, R D Milhollin wrote:

Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page?

There are 4 grottos listed:

Baltimore Grotto in Fulton
Frederick Grotto in Westminister
Sligo Grotto in Millers
Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale

If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give 
you a personal contact to get hold of.


Have fun up there
RD

From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

Hey all,
  Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in 
a grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from 
Texas and are missing caving !


Thanks,
  Melissa


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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[Brian Freyling]

Not only is the Baltimore Grotto the most active of the 4 grottos
mentioned, but also since most the caving for the entire region is Done in
WV / Western VA the DC, Baltimore, and PSC (Northern VA) Grottos (all very
active) maintain a shared caving calendar and communicate events to each
other.

http://www.cavingclub.org/info/calendar/cal.pdf   user/pass: calend/gocave

For the more informal events make sure to get into the grottos mailing
list.  Note: VAR is happening this weekend, this is kind of like TCR with
lots of caving and partying.  I would highly recommend going.

-Brian


On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote:

 Hi Lissa,

 I am a former Terxas caver now living in Virginia.  I have many
 friends in the Baltimore Grotto.  It is probably the most active of the
 ones R D mentioned.  I can put you in touch with several people.  They do
 many active exploration trips, including major vertical caves in WV.  Let
 me know your interests and abilities and I'll introduce you.

 Mark Minton


 At 12:56 PM 9/18/2012, R D Milhollin wrote:

 Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page?

 There are 4 grottos listed:

 Baltimore Grotto in Fulton
 Frederick Grotto in Westminister
 Sligo Grotto in Millers
 Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale

 If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you
 a personal contact to get hold of.

 Have fun up there
 RD

 From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com
 To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM
 Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

 Hey all,
   Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a
 grotto in the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and
 are missing caving !

 Thanks,
   Melissa


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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Chris Vreeland]

I seem to recall Charlie Savvas saying he got over 400,000 miles out  
of his.


On Aug 20, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Justin Haynes wrote:

On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of  
practical) note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout  
II between the years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980.  They will  
seem overpriced compared to Kelley blue book and for good reason.   
If they are in good condition they will last for 100s of thousands  
of miles.


The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans:
Nissan SD33 (diesel) (naturally aspirated)
Nissan SD33T (turbo diesel—1980 only)
So why scout?  They were built like tanks.  Why diesel?  I won't  
make the case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer  
diesel engines:  Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline  
engines, all the parts around the engine went to the lowest bidder.   
so the distributor might have been from AMC and the alternator from  
some other cheap source that would break (likely shaken to death by  
the stiff suspension. :-)  ).  The diesels being from Nissan and  
being quite solid finding appplications also in industry, are very  
servicable and long lasting.
And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles?   Only  
~3 were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them  
made in 1980, the last year of production.  During that year, only a  
fraction were diesels.


So in other words, they are disappearing.  And if you can find one,  
you can have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price


-Justin

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Justin Haynes]

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Chris Vreeland cvreel...@austin.rr.comwrote:

 I seem to recall Charlie Savvas saying he got over 400,000 miles out of
 his.

Nice.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Bill Walden wdwal...@windstream.netwrote:

 I still have my 1978 International Scout Traveller with the 345 engine.
 Actually International came out with the Datsun (Nissan) diesel in 1979 and
 the turbo charged version in 1980, then they quit production of medium duty
 vehicles. I tried a 1979 diesel - it was rather gutless. That Nissan engine
 is now available as a 3.6L turbocharged straight 6. I'm tempted.


Bill, are you certain production with the Datsun/Nissan diesels began in
1979 and not 1976?  I'm asking because I occasionally search for these on
craigslist (or crazed list if I want to look in many locations).  Generally
I just search for diesel scout, but given the wide range of quality in
craigslist postings, I'll also come back for all Scout IIs and for scouts
between 1976-1980 to catch any that may be miscategorized or incomplete..
I do'nt want to sort through more ads than I need to, but I also don't want
to miss the perfect vehicle if I leave it out of my search..

I looked for more information on http://binderplanet.com (for the
uninitiated, the IH Scouts were also affectionately called 'corn binders'
because of the company's history making industrial and farm equipment), but
I didn't find what Iwas looking for (yet).  The Diesel FAQ is here:
http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1467

The Wikipedia article is not well referenced and contains lots of
information that may be accurate but not many references to back it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Harvester_Scout#Engines

-Justin

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Chris Vreeland]

I seem to recall Charlie Savvas saying he got over 400,000 miles out  
of his.


On Aug 20, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Justin Haynes wrote:

On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of  
practical) note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout  
II between the years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980.  They will  
seem overpriced compared to Kelley blue book and for good reason.   
If they are in good condition they will last for 100s of thousands  
of miles.


The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans:
Nissan SD33 (diesel) (naturally aspirated)
Nissan SD33T (turbo diesel—1980 only)
So why scout?  They were built like tanks.  Why diesel?  I won't  
make the case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer  
diesel engines:  Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline  
engines, all the parts around the engine went to the lowest bidder.   
so the distributor might have been from AMC and the alternator from  
some other cheap source that would break (likely shaken to death by  
the stiff suspension. :-)  ).  The diesels being from Nissan and  
being quite solid finding appplications also in industry, are very  
servicable and long lasting.
And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles?   Only  
~3 were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them  
made in 1980, the last year of production.  During that year, only a  
fraction were diesels.


So in other words, they are disappearing.  And if you can find one,  
you can have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price


-Justin

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Justin Haynes]

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Chris Vreeland cvreel...@austin.rr.comwrote:

 I seem to recall Charlie Savvas saying he got over 400,000 miles out of
 his.

Nice.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Bill Walden wdwal...@windstream.netwrote:

 I still have my 1978 International Scout Traveller with the 345 engine.
 Actually International came out with the Datsun (Nissan) diesel in 1979 and
 the turbo charged version in 1980, then they quit production of medium duty
 vehicles. I tried a 1979 diesel - it was rather gutless. That Nissan engine
 is now available as a 3.6L turbocharged straight 6. I'm tempted.


Bill, are you certain production with the Datsun/Nissan diesels began in
1979 and not 1976?  I'm asking because I occasionally search for these on
craigslist (or crazed list if I want to look in many locations).  Generally
I just search for diesel scout, but given the wide range of quality in
craigslist postings, I'll also come back for all Scout IIs and for scouts
between 1976-1980 to catch any that may be miscategorized or incomplete..
I do'nt want to sort through more ads than I need to, but I also don't want
to miss the perfect vehicle if I leave it out of my search..

I looked for more information on http://binderplanet.com (for the
uninitiated, the IH Scouts were also affectionately called 'corn binders'
because of the company's history making industrial and farm equipment), but
I didn't find what Iwas looking for (yet).  The Diesel FAQ is here:
http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1467

The Wikipedia article is not well referenced and contains lots of
information that may be accurate but not many references to back it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Harvester_Scout#Engines

-Justin

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Chris Vreeland]

I seem to recall Charlie Savvas saying he got over 400,000 miles out  
of his.


On Aug 20, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Justin Haynes wrote:

On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of  
practical) note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout  
II between the years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980.  They will  
seem overpriced compared to Kelley blue book and for good reason.   
If they are in good condition they will last for 100s of thousands  
of miles.


The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans:
Nissan SD33 (diesel) (naturally aspirated)
Nissan SD33T (turbo diesel—1980 only)
So why scout?  They were built like tanks.  Why diesel?  I won't  
make the case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer  
diesel engines:  Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline  
engines, all the parts around the engine went to the lowest bidder.   
so the distributor might have been from AMC and the alternator from  
some other cheap source that would break (likely shaken to death by  
the stiff suspension. :-)  ).  The diesels being from Nissan and  
being quite solid finding appplications also in industry, are very  
servicable and long lasting.
And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles?   Only  
~3 were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them  
made in 1980, the last year of production.  During that year, only a  
fraction were diesels.


So in other words, they are disappearing.  And if you can find one,  
you can have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price


-Justin

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Justin Haynes]

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Chris Vreeland cvreel...@austin.rr.comwrote:

 I seem to recall Charlie Savvas saying he got over 400,000 miles out of
 his.

Nice.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Bill Walden wdwal...@windstream.netwrote:

 I still have my 1978 International Scout Traveller with the 345 engine.
 Actually International came out with the Datsun (Nissan) diesel in 1979 and
 the turbo charged version in 1980, then they quit production of medium duty
 vehicles. I tried a 1979 diesel - it was rather gutless. That Nissan engine
 is now available as a 3.6L turbocharged straight 6. I'm tempted.


Bill, are you certain production with the Datsun/Nissan diesels began in
1979 and not 1976?  I'm asking because I occasionally search for these on
craigslist (or crazed list if I want to look in many locations).  Generally
I just search for diesel scout, but given the wide range of quality in
craigslist postings, I'll also come back for all Scout IIs and for scouts
between 1976-1980 to catch any that may be miscategorized or incomplete..
I do'nt want to sort through more ads than I need to, but I also don't want
to miss the perfect vehicle if I leave it out of my search..

I looked for more information on http://binderplanet.com (for the
uninitiated, the IH Scouts were also affectionately called 'corn binders'
because of the company's history making industrial and farm equipment), but
I didn't find what Iwas looking for (yet).  The Diesel FAQ is here:
http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1467

The Wikipedia article is not well referenced and contains lots of
information that may be accurate but not many references to back it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Harvester_Scout#Engines

-Justin

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Ted Samsel]

I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob,
whimper. snork

Ted

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote:

  Try one of these:


 http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Don Cooper]

At some level - they are very large phallus symbols.

-WaV

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote:
 I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob,
 whimper. snork

 Ted

 On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

 Try one of these:


 http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335



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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Justin Haynes]

On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of practical)
note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout II between the
years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980.  They will seem overpriced compared
to Kelley blue book and for good reason.  If they are in good condition
they will last for 100s of thousands of miles.

The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans:

   - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan
SD33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(
   diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) (naturally
   aspirated)
   - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan
SD33Thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(turbo
   diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_diesel—1980 only)

So why scout?  They were built like tanks.  Why diesel?  I won't make the
case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer diesel engines:
Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline engines, all the parts around
the engine went to the lowest bidder.  so the distributor might have been
from AMC and the alternator from some other cheap source that would break
(likely shaken to death by the stiff suspension. :-)  ).  The diesels being
from Nissan and being quite solid finding appplications also in industry,
are very servicable and long lasting.

And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles?   Only ~3
were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them made in 1980,
the last year of production.  During that year, only a fraction were
diesels.

So in other words, they are disappearing.  And if you can find one, you can
have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price

-Justin


On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote:

 At some level - they are very large phallus symbols.

 -WaV

 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote:
  I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob,
  whimper. snork
 
  Ted
 
  On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Try one of these:
 
 
 
 http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335
 
 

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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Justin Haynes]

Oh, meant to say 1980 is desirable because it was the only year with the
SD33T or turbocharged diesel engine.  Also all diesel scouts were 4 wheel
drive with the means to shift between 2 wheel and 4 wheel.  They all had
hefty Dana transfer cases.  So if you see a 1980 diesel scout, you don't
have to ask many questions about options other than automatic or manual
transmission, and you may want to ask some questions about gear ratio.

At any rate, there is an active community, so you wouldn't be abandoned
with an uncommon car that no one has.  Also it was a car made in the US
(and the Nissan engine was a popular one in other applications), so finding
parts isn't too hard:

Community site:
http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/index.php

-Justin

(I used to have 1978 gas powered scout in the 90s which I loved.  I'd
probably shop for one of these diesels myself if I didn't already have a
1984 Mercedes-benz 300d)

-Justin


On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Justin Haynes jus...@justinhaynes.comwrote:

 On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of practical)
 note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout II between the
 years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980.  They will seem overpriced compared
 to Kelley blue book and for good reason.  If they are in good condition
 they will last for 100s of thousands of miles.

 The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans:

- Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan 
 SD33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(
diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) (naturally
aspirated)
- Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan 
 SD33Thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(turbo
diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_diesel—1980 only)

 So why scout?  They were built like tanks.  Why diesel?  I won't make the
 case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer diesel engines:
 Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline engines, all the parts around
 the engine went to the lowest bidder.  so the distributor might have been
 from AMC and the alternator from some other cheap source that would break
 (likely shaken to death by the stiff suspension. :-)  ).  The diesels being
 from Nissan and being quite solid finding appplications also in industry,
 are very servicable and long lasting.

 And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles?   Only ~3
 were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them made in 1980,
 the last year of production.  During that year, only a fraction were
 diesels.

 So in other words, they are disappearing.  And if you can find one, you
 can have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price

 -Justin


 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote:

 At some level - they are very large phallus symbols.

 -WaV

 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote:
  I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob,
  whimper. snork
 
  Ted
 
  On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
  Try one of these:
 
 
 
 http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335
 
 

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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Ted Samsel]

I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob,
whimper. snork

Ted

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote:

  Try one of these:


 http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Don Cooper]

At some level - they are very large phallus symbols.

-WaV

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote:
 I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob,
 whimper. snork

 Ted

 On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

 Try one of these:


 http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335



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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Justin Haynes]

On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of practical)
note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout II between the
years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980.  They will seem overpriced compared
to Kelley blue book and for good reason.  If they are in good condition
they will last for 100s of thousands of miles.

The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans:

   - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan
SD33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(
   diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) (naturally
   aspirated)
   - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan
SD33Thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(turbo
   diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_diesel—1980 only)

So why scout?  They were built like tanks.  Why diesel?  I won't make the
case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer diesel engines:
Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline engines, all the parts around
the engine went to the lowest bidder.  so the distributor might have been
from AMC and the alternator from some other cheap source that would break
(likely shaken to death by the stiff suspension. :-)  ).  The diesels being
from Nissan and being quite solid finding appplications also in industry,
are very servicable and long lasting.

And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles?   Only ~3
were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them made in 1980,
the last year of production.  During that year, only a fraction were
diesels.

So in other words, they are disappearing.  And if you can find one, you can
have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price

-Justin


On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote:

 At some level - they are very large phallus symbols.

 -WaV

 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote:
  I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob,
  whimper. snork
 
  Ted
 
  On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Try one of these:
 
 
 
 http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335
 
 

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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Justin Haynes]

Oh, meant to say 1980 is desirable because it was the only year with the
SD33T or turbocharged diesel engine.  Also all diesel scouts were 4 wheel
drive with the means to shift between 2 wheel and 4 wheel.  They all had
hefty Dana transfer cases.  So if you see a 1980 diesel scout, you don't
have to ask many questions about options other than automatic or manual
transmission, and you may want to ask some questions about gear ratio.

At any rate, there is an active community, so you wouldn't be abandoned
with an uncommon car that no one has.  Also it was a car made in the US
(and the Nissan engine was a popular one in other applications), so finding
parts isn't too hard:

Community site:
http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/index.php

-Justin

(I used to have 1978 gas powered scout in the 90s which I loved.  I'd
probably shop for one of these diesels myself if I didn't already have a
1984 Mercedes-benz 300d)

-Justin


On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Justin Haynes jus...@justinhaynes.comwrote:

 On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of practical)
 note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout II between the
 years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980.  They will seem overpriced compared
 to Kelley blue book and for good reason.  If they are in good condition
 they will last for 100s of thousands of miles.

 The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans:

- Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan 
 SD33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(
diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) (naturally
aspirated)
- Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan 
 SD33Thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(turbo
diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_diesel—1980 only)

 So why scout?  They were built like tanks.  Why diesel?  I won't make the
 case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer diesel engines:
 Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline engines, all the parts around
 the engine went to the lowest bidder.  so the distributor might have been
 from AMC and the alternator from some other cheap source that would break
 (likely shaken to death by the stiff suspension. :-)  ).  The diesels being
 from Nissan and being quite solid finding appplications also in industry,
 are very servicable and long lasting.

 And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles?   Only ~3
 were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them made in 1980,
 the last year of production.  During that year, only a fraction were
 diesels.

 So in other words, they are disappearing.  And if you can find one, you
 can have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price

 -Justin


 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote:

 At some level - they are very large phallus symbols.

 -WaV

 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote:
  I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob,
  whimper. snork
 
  Ted
 
  On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
  Try one of these:
 
 
 
 http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335
 
 

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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Ted Samsel]

I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob,
whimper. snork

Ted

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote:

  Try one of these:


 http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Don Cooper]

At some level - they are very large phallus symbols.

-WaV

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote:
 I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob,
 whimper. snork

 Ted

 On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

 Try one of these:


 http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335



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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Justin Haynes]

On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of practical)
note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout II between the
years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980.  They will seem overpriced compared
to Kelley blue book and for good reason.  If they are in good condition
they will last for 100s of thousands of miles.

The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans:

   - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan
SD33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(
   diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) (naturally
   aspirated)
   - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan
SD33Thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(turbo
   diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_diesel—1980 only)

So why scout?  They were built like tanks.  Why diesel?  I won't make the
case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer diesel engines:
Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline engines, all the parts around
the engine went to the lowest bidder.  so the distributor might have been
from AMC and the alternator from some other cheap source that would break
(likely shaken to death by the stiff suspension. :-)  ).  The diesels being
from Nissan and being quite solid finding appplications also in industry,
are very servicable and long lasting.

And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles?   Only ~3
were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them made in 1980,
the last year of production.  During that year, only a fraction were
diesels.

So in other words, they are disappearing.  And if you can find one, you can
have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price

-Justin


On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote:

 At some level - they are very large phallus symbols.

 -WaV

 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote:
  I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob,
  whimper. snork
 
  Ted
 
  On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Try one of these:
 
 
 
 http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335
 
 

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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Justin Haynes]

Oh, meant to say 1980 is desirable because it was the only year with the
SD33T or turbocharged diesel engine.  Also all diesel scouts were 4 wheel
drive with the means to shift between 2 wheel and 4 wheel.  They all had
hefty Dana transfer cases.  So if you see a 1980 diesel scout, you don't
have to ask many questions about options other than automatic or manual
transmission, and you may want to ask some questions about gear ratio.

At any rate, there is an active community, so you wouldn't be abandoned
with an uncommon car that no one has.  Also it was a car made in the US
(and the Nissan engine was a popular one in other applications), so finding
parts isn't too hard:

Community site:
http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/index.php

-Justin

(I used to have 1978 gas powered scout in the 90s which I loved.  I'd
probably shop for one of these diesels myself if I didn't already have a
1984 Mercedes-benz 300d)

-Justin


On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Justin Haynes jus...@justinhaynes.comwrote:

 On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of practical)
 note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout II between the
 years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980.  They will seem overpriced compared
 to Kelley blue book and for good reason.  If they are in good condition
 they will last for 100s of thousands of miles.

 The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans:

- Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan 
 SD33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(
diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) (naturally
aspirated)
- Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan 
 SD33Thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(turbo
diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_diesel—1980 only)

 So why scout?  They were built like tanks.  Why diesel?  I won't make the
 case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer diesel engines:
 Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline engines, all the parts around
 the engine went to the lowest bidder.  so the distributor might have been
 from AMC and the alternator from some other cheap source that would break
 (likely shaken to death by the stiff suspension. :-)  ).  The diesels being
 from Nissan and being quite solid finding appplications also in industry,
 are very servicable and long lasting.

 And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles?   Only ~3
 were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them made in 1980,
 the last year of production.  During that year, only a fraction were
 diesels.

 So in other words, they are disappearing.  And if you can find one, you
 can have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price

 -Justin


 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote:

 At some level - they are very large phallus symbols.

 -WaV

 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote:
  I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob,
  whimper. snork
 
  Ted
 
  On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
  Try one of these:
 
 
 
 http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335
 
 

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[Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Louise Power]

Try one of these:
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335
   

[Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Louise Power]

Try one of these:
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335
   

[Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?

[Louise Power]

Try one of these:
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335
   

[Texascavers] Looking for Speakers- Aggie Speleological Society

[Zach Broussard]

Howdy Cavers,

A.S.S. would like to invite any interested cavers to come and give a cave
related speech/ presentation at one of our meetings. Our meetings are held
Thursdays at 7:30pm on the AM campus.

Please keep in mind that due to ASS being a university club, our turnover
rates are quite high and the majority of our grotto is new to caving and
come from a wide array of backgrounds. The more general a topic the better,
but you are welcome to present on what ever you would like. Possible topics
include: intro to cave surveying, cave geology/biology/etc, cave formations,
and so on.

I understand that College Station is out of the way for many of you, and
therefore ASS is willing to reimburse you for gas expenses (within reason).

If you have any interest, please contact me at zachrbrouss...@gmail.com for
further details.

Thanks,

Zach Broussard
Aggie Speleological Society- President

[Texascavers] Looking for Speakers- Aggie Speleological Society

[Zach Broussard]

Howdy Cavers,

A.S.S. would like to invite any interested cavers to come and give a cave
related speech/ presentation at one of our meetings. Our meetings are held
Thursdays at 7:30pm on the AM campus.

Please keep in mind that due to ASS being a university club, our turnover
rates are quite high and the majority of our grotto is new to caving and
come from a wide array of backgrounds. The more general a topic the better,
but you are welcome to present on what ever you would like. Possible topics
include: intro to cave surveying, cave geology/biology/etc, cave formations,
and so on.

I understand that College Station is out of the way for many of you, and
therefore ASS is willing to reimburse you for gas expenses (within reason).

If you have any interest, please contact me at zachrbrouss...@gmail.com for
further details.

Thanks,

Zach Broussard
Aggie Speleological Society- President

[Texascavers] Looking for Speakers- Aggie Speleological Society

[Zach Broussard]

Howdy Cavers,

A.S.S. would like to invite any interested cavers to come and give a cave
related speech/ presentation at one of our meetings. Our meetings are held
Thursdays at 7:30pm on the AM campus.

Please keep in mind that due to ASS being a university club, our turnover
rates are quite high and the majority of our grotto is new to caving and
come from a wide array of backgrounds. The more general a topic the better,
but you are welcome to present on what ever you would like. Possible topics
include: intro to cave surveying, cave geology/biology/etc, cave formations,
and so on.

I understand that College Station is out of the way for many of you, and
therefore ASS is willing to reimburse you for gas expenses (within reason).

If you have any interest, please contact me at zachrbrouss...@gmail.com for
further details.

Thanks,

Zach Broussard
Aggie Speleological Society- President

[Texascavers] Looking for Charlie Savvas and/or Bev Shade

[Leslie Bell]

Charlie or Bev, 
Please contact me offline. We are trying to find more information on a part of 
a cave most recently surveyed by the two of you. 
512-673-2666bellem...@yahoo.com

Kind regards, Leslie Bell 

[Texascavers] Looking for Charlie Savvas and/or Bev Shade

[Leslie Bell]

Charlie or Bev, 
Please contact me offline. We are trying to find more information on a part of 
a cave most recently surveyed by the two of you. 
512-673-2666bellem...@yahoo.com

Kind regards, Leslie Bell 

[Texascavers] Looking for Charlie Savvas and/or Bev Shade

[Leslie Bell]

Charlie or Bev, 
Please contact me offline. We are trying to find more information on a part of 
a cave most recently surveyed by the two of you. 
512-673-2666bellem...@yahoo.com

Kind regards, Leslie Bell 

RE: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July 1958)

[George Veni]

As a reminder to all, the Karst Information Portal (www.karstportal.org) is
among other things a virtual karst library with about 5,000 publications and
more added regularly. It has digital copies of all NSS News issues from
volume 1, number 1, up to a couple of years ago. Simply select the Browse
Resources tab, then scroll down through the long list of publications to
the NSS News. From there, scroll to the issue you want. You can also do a
keyword search help you find what you need. 

The back issues of the Texas Caver will be added to the Portal per an
agreement with the TSA, as well as to the TSA website. High resolution
scanning and OCR processing is in progress.

The Karst Information Portal is a project of the National Cave and Karst
Research Institute, University of South Florida, International Union of
Speleology, and the University of New Mexico.

George

-Original Message-
From: David Ochel [mailto:li...@ochel.net] 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 13:18
To: Cave Tex
Subject: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July
1958)

Howdy,

Anybody have a copy of these that I could take a look at? (Looking for 
the articles on O-9 Well in there.)

Cheers,
David

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Re: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July 1958)

[germanyj]

Hi George!

Thanks for the reminder.  I found there the article David wants, and loved that 
Bill Russell was on the expedition team that made it down to river, and the 
final line of the article:

The 0-9 Water Well Cave seems to be a cave designed by Old Mother Nature 
specifically for the purpose of separting the men from the boys in the ranks of 
Texas spelunkers.

Some great reading (and research) to be done on the Karst Portal!

julia




-Original Message-
From: George Veni gv...@warpdriveonline.com
To: 'David Ochel' li...@ochel.net; 'Cave Tex' texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:02 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly 
July 1958)


As a reminder to all, the Karst Information Portal (www.karstportal.org) is
mong other things a virtual karst library with about 5,000 publications and
ore added regularly. It has digital copies of all NSS News issues from
olume 1, number 1, up to a couple of years ago. Simply select the Browse
esources tab, then scroll down through the long list of publications to
he NSS News. From there, scroll to the issue you want. You can also do a
eyword search help you find what you need. 
The back issues of the Texas Caver will be added to the Portal per an
greement with the TSA, as well as to the TSA website. High resolution
canning and OCR processing is in progress.
The Karst Information Portal is a project of the National Cave and Karst
esearch Institute, University of South Florida, International Union of
peleology, and the University of New Mexico.
George
-Original Message-
rom: David Ochel [mailto:li...@ochel.net] 
ent: Friday, March 25, 2011 13:18
o: Cave Tex
ubject: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July
958)
Howdy,
Anybody have a copy of these that I could take a look at? (Looking for 
he articles on O-9 Well in there.)
Cheers,
avid
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RE: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July 1958)

[George Veni]

As a reminder to all, the Karst Information Portal (www.karstportal.org) is
among other things a virtual karst library with about 5,000 publications and
more added regularly. It has digital copies of all NSS News issues from
volume 1, number 1, up to a couple of years ago. Simply select the Browse
Resources tab, then scroll down through the long list of publications to
the NSS News. From there, scroll to the issue you want. You can also do a
keyword search help you find what you need. 

The back issues of the Texas Caver will be added to the Portal per an
agreement with the TSA, as well as to the TSA website. High resolution
scanning and OCR processing is in progress.

The Karst Information Portal is a project of the National Cave and Karst
Research Institute, University of South Florida, International Union of
Speleology, and the University of New Mexico.

George

-Original Message-
From: David Ochel [mailto:li...@ochel.net] 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 13:18
To: Cave Tex
Subject: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July
1958)

Howdy,

Anybody have a copy of these that I could take a look at? (Looking for 
the articles on O-9 Well in there.)

Cheers,
David

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Re: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July 1958)

[germanyj]

Hi George!

Thanks for the reminder.  I found there the article David wants, and loved that 
Bill Russell was on the expedition team that made it down to river, and the 
final line of the article:

The 0-9 Water Well Cave seems to be a cave designed by Old Mother Nature 
specifically for the purpose of separting the men from the boys in the ranks of 
Texas spelunkers.

Some great reading (and research) to be done on the Karst Portal!

julia




-Original Message-
From: George Veni gv...@warpdriveonline.com
To: 'David Ochel' li...@ochel.net; 'Cave Tex' texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:02 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly 
July 1958)


As a reminder to all, the Karst Information Portal (www.karstportal.org) is
mong other things a virtual karst library with about 5,000 publications and
ore added regularly. It has digital copies of all NSS News issues from
olume 1, number 1, up to a couple of years ago. Simply select the Browse
esources tab, then scroll down through the long list of publications to
he NSS News. From there, scroll to the issue you want. You can also do a
eyword search help you find what you need. 
The back issues of the Texas Caver will be added to the Portal per an
greement with the TSA, as well as to the TSA website. High resolution
canning and OCR processing is in progress.
The Karst Information Portal is a project of the National Cave and Karst
esearch Institute, University of South Florida, International Union of
peleology, and the University of New Mexico.
George
-Original Message-
rom: David Ochel [mailto:li...@ochel.net] 
ent: Friday, March 25, 2011 13:18
o: Cave Tex
ubject: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July
958)
Howdy,
Anybody have a copy of these that I could take a look at? (Looking for 
he articles on O-9 Well in there.)
Cheers,
avid
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RE: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July 1958)

[George Veni]

As a reminder to all, the Karst Information Portal (www.karstportal.org) is
among other things a virtual karst library with about 5,000 publications and
more added regularly. It has digital copies of all NSS News issues from
volume 1, number 1, up to a couple of years ago. Simply select the Browse
Resources tab, then scroll down through the long list of publications to
the NSS News. From there, scroll to the issue you want. You can also do a
keyword search help you find what you need. 

The back issues of the Texas Caver will be added to the Portal per an
agreement with the TSA, as well as to the TSA website. High resolution
scanning and OCR processing is in progress.

The Karst Information Portal is a project of the National Cave and Karst
Research Institute, University of South Florida, International Union of
Speleology, and the University of New Mexico.

George

-Original Message-
From: David Ochel [mailto:li...@ochel.net] 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 13:18
To: Cave Tex
Subject: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July
1958)

Howdy,

Anybody have a copy of these that I could take a look at? (Looking for 
the articles on O-9 Well in there.)

Cheers,
David

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Re: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July 1958)

[germanyj]

Hi George!

Thanks for the reminder.  I found there the article David wants, and loved that 
Bill Russell was on the expedition team that made it down to river, and the 
final line of the article:

The 0-9 Water Well Cave seems to be a cave designed by Old Mother Nature 
specifically for the purpose of separting the men from the boys in the ranks of 
Texas spelunkers.

Some great reading (and research) to be done on the Karst Portal!

julia




-Original Message-
From: George Veni gv...@warpdriveonline.com
To: 'David Ochel' li...@ochel.net; 'Cave Tex' texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:02 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly 
July 1958)


As a reminder to all, the Karst Information Portal (www.karstportal.org) is
mong other things a virtual karst library with about 5,000 publications and
ore added regularly. It has digital copies of all NSS News issues from
olume 1, number 1, up to a couple of years ago. Simply select the Browse
esources tab, then scroll down through the long list of publications to
he NSS News. From there, scroll to the issue you want. You can also do a
eyword search help you find what you need. 
The back issues of the Texas Caver will be added to the Portal per an
greement with the TSA, as well as to the TSA website. High resolution
canning and OCR processing is in progress.
The Karst Information Portal is a project of the National Cave and Karst
esearch Institute, University of South Florida, International Union of
peleology, and the University of New Mexico.
George
-Original Message-
rom: David Ochel [mailto:li...@ochel.net] 
ent: Friday, March 25, 2011 13:18
o: Cave Tex
ubject: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July
958)
Howdy,
Anybody have a copy of these that I could take a look at? (Looking for 
he articles on O-9 Well in there.)
Cheers,
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[Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July 1958)

[David Ochel]

Howdy,

Anybody have a copy of these that I could take a look at? (Looking for 
the articles on O-9 Well in there.)


Cheers,
David

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Re: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July 1958)

[Gill Edigar]

That predates my collection by 8 or 9 years. Aren't they digitized in the
NSS Library?
--Ediger

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:18 PM, David Ochel li...@ochel.net wrote:

 Howdy,

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 articles on O-9 Well in there.)

 Cheers,
 David

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RE: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July 1958)

[Ron Ralph]

We can check the TSS library next time we are up that way unless you want to
schedule a special trip.

Ron

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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 2:18 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July
1958)

Howdy,

Anybody have a copy of these that I could take a look at? (Looking for 
the articles on O-9 Well in there.)

Cheers,
David

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[Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July 1958)

[David Ochel]

Howdy,

Anybody have a copy of these that I could take a look at? (Looking for 
the articles on O-9 Well in there.)


Cheers,
David

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Re: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July 1958)

[Gill Edigar]

That predates my collection by 8 or 9 years. Aren't they digitized in the
NSS Library?
--Ediger

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:18 PM, David Ochel li...@ochel.net wrote:

 Howdy,

 Anybody have a copy of these that I could take a look at? (Looking for the
 articles on O-9 Well in there.)

 Cheers,
 David

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RE: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July 1958)

[Ron Ralph]

We can check the TSS library next time we are up that way unless you want to
schedule a special trip.

Ron

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Subject: [Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July
1958)

Howdy,

Anybody have a copy of these that I could take a look at? (Looking for 
the articles on O-9 Well in there.)

Cheers,
David

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[Texascavers] looking for NSS News, October 1958 (and possibly July 1958)

[David Ochel]

Howdy,

Anybody have a copy of these that I could take a look at? (Looking for 
the articles on O-9 Well in there.)


Cheers,
David

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