Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Schuyler Reidel]

Hi I'm Rocky. And I'm a Mac. ;)




On Nov 22, 2009, at 4:24 PM, David  wrote:


Some of you maybe wanting to buy a computer now that Windows 7 is out,
or maybe for a holiday gift.

But before you rush out, I would like to share this with you:

There is a new motherboard on the market with 32 nm CPU socket.   It  
also has
USB 3.0 ( which is eventually going to be faster than USB 2.0 ), and  
it also

has faster SATA speeds, and the latest version of PCI-express slot.

Note that the graphics are on the motherboard now, because the CPU  
will have

graphics on it.  ( The CPU isn't on the market yet )

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/1137/asus_P7H57DV-EVO.jpg

These new motherboards will allow you to easily watch Blu-ray  
movies.   Also, note
that the motherboard is small so you can have a smaller computer  
sitting on your

desk.

This is a sign of things to come in 2010, and eventually these  
computers will
be cheap like the cheap ones now.Presuming netbooks, laptops, or  
all-in-one
computers don't kill the desktop industry.I don't think they  
will, because it should

always be cheaper to build a desktop than a laptop.

I wouldn't buy a desktop computer, because in my opinion they are  
not hard to build
and you can save money building your own. But if you don't have  
spare time, but you
do have spare money then there are lots of good deals out there on  
Windows 7 PC's.


In the laptop news, there are now laptops with Intel's newest i7  
cpu.These laptops
are expensive, and heavy.I think Sony's weighs 15 pounds and  
cost $ 2,000 at

Fry's, and it doesn't even have an internal DVD or a big screen.

Another feature to look for when shopping is whether the device has  
a Express Card
Slot.This is a 1 inch wide slot on the side of the computer  
similar to the old PCMIA
slots.   This slot allows you to connect an assortment of devices,  
especially the largest of the Solid State Memory Sticks, which is  
like having a back-up hard-drive.   Most of the

Sony's have this slot.

Another feature that is new, is instant web access, without booting  
into Windows.   I don't
understand that, but it sounds like a great idea.Does it work  
with Mozilla and Chrome ?


Another new feature are touchscreens.This is still too new to  
say anything about, but it

appears to have potential.

And now there are more all-in-one-computers to choose from.These  
are more expensive,
but take up little desk space and have attractive designs.   But  
they all seem to lack something.   Sony seems to have the best ones  
( unless you get a Mac ).   I think they
will be obsolete faster than a regular PC, as the monitor can be  
upgraded simply.


A few laptops have cell-phone data capability integrated in, but I  
think you are restricted
as to what internet service you sign up for.   Meaning, it must be  
AT&T or Verizon, etc.


If you buy a desktop PC, it may be the last home computer you ever  
buy with an
internal mechanical hard-drive, as some are predicting that you will  
keep all your
system files, data, etc, on the internet or on a solid-state  
disk.It is amazing how

cheap the hard-drives are now.   Imagine if you could buy a new 4x4
SUV for $ 10,000, or build it yourself in a kit for $ 5,000.

I am sure I left off something.

I am hanging on to my XP desktop, and just watching the trends for  
the time being.


Cheers,

David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news ( Vista )

[wwildchild]

If you have your windows update set to automatic (and depending on the settings 
you choose) you already have all of the updated patches, if not then just 
manually start windows update. It's simple, automatic, and almost fool-proof.  
A remember the days when MS bug fixes were over a year apart and we rushed 
out to BUY the latest version of DOS with the latest fix. 


“Pessimists have already begun to worry about what is going to replace 
automation”  (UK)

Puppy
=:-)



Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a 
pretty and well preserved body,but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used 
up,totally burned out, and loudly proclaiming, 
WOW  What a ride! (UK)



-Original Message-
From: David Locklear 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 2:28 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] OT - computer news ( Vista )



Please delete if you have no interest in Vista updates.

This past week, Microsoft has released 4 new major patches for Vista.
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20071003/vista-pre-sp1-updates/
or to see the whole recent list:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/browse.aspx?DisplayLang=en&nr=20&productId=8D7DD8D7-1CA6-4632-BAEF-E7C0750ED02E&sortCriteria=date
This should show all the updates in date order.
Some bloggers have reported minor problems with these new patches
lready.

oes anyone know if you purchase Windows XP in the store, if it
ontains all the latest patches; or will you still need to install all of
he updates after purchasing it.I am just curious.
The article below is from over a month ago, but indicates that Microsoft
ill NOT be shipping Vista Service Pack 1 for the holiday season.
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/14221/53/
In my opinion, if they want to sell more Vista machines during the holiday
eason, then they should put something on the package to show that
he Vista bugs are not present in that machine. They could call it
P 1/2 or something; or at least claim that 1/2 the bugs are no longer
resent.  From what I can tell, the driver support from the vendors
s still a problem. And older laptops with less than 2 Gb of RAM
eem to be too slow for Vista.
I am glad I haven't bought it yet.  If Windows releases a new XP, and
t plays the card games ( Freecell ) like Vista, then I will just stick with
P.
David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Nico Escamilla]

I do get quite a bit of spam in gmail at least 60 messages a day. it doesnt
bother me, I just hit the delete all spam messages button and thats it.
Nico

On 5/5/07, Don Cooper  wrote:


You know whut?
Since I started using Gmail - I have not had one SPECK of spam.
Of course I've been pretty covetous of wavyca...@gmail.com...  I've only
used it to communicate with youse guys.
The drawback is not posting questions on google hosted or google routed
newsgroups like rec.automakers.saturn, rec.motorcycles.harley and the
like. :-(
For reasons of mighty powerful cookie recipes (I gather) I AM
wavycaver@gmail wherever I go on google.
-WaV

On 5/5/07, Butch Fralia  wrote:
>
>  Uh, sorry, the TSA doesn't have forums anymore and the SPAM was a
> problem.  People weren't using it so
>
> Butch
>
>  -Original Message-
> *From:* Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 05, 2007 3:30 PM
> *To:* Don Cooper
> *Cc:* Nico Escamilla; mark.al...@l-3com.com; wwildch...@aol.com;
> Texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news
>
> It's still showing as registered, and doesn't expire until July 07 (this
> is only the domain side, not necessarily his hosting).
>
> Perhaps Chris would donate the domain over to the TSA and they could put
> an auto-redirect from it to the TSA forums?
>
> This way any google searches wouldn't go to a dead link.
> Charles
>
> On 5/5/07, Don Cooper < wavyca...@gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm... guess that's the case.
> > Oh well - it was a good idea I guess, it seemed to support a lot of
> > novice activity for airman's at least - but it seemed like the majority of
> > new subscribers were scambot accounts looking for a place to ricochet from.
> > Too bad.  Now that he's let it go, the name/domain "texascaving" WOULD seem
> > to be available.
> > -WaV
> >
> > On 5/4/07, Nico Escamilla < pitboun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm afraid Chris Saizan just let the site die cause he was no longer
> > > interested in caving (he sold me his brain bucket last year), it wasnt
> > > getting a lot of posts lately and I might be wrong but around this time of
> > > last year he was renewing his one year hosting plan
> > > with godaddy perhaps the contract expired and he didnt think
> > > renewing it was worth it.
> > >
> > > all this is just what I think it happened, I dont know for sure
> > > On 5/4/07, mark.al...@l-3com.com < mark.al...@l-3com.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  I noticed this, too.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, it's been MIA for a couple of weeks.
> > > >
> > > > Is it kaput?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > (A Curious) Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  --
> > > > *From:* wwildch...@aol.com [mailto:wwildch...@aol.com]
> > > > *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2007 11:28 AM
> > > > *To:* Texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news
> > > >
> > > >  Wow, and to think that my Commodore Vic 20 with 5k of RAM
> > > > actually ran an operating system at all.  Since your talking bogomips, 
it
> > > > would be in the neighborhood of .004
> > > >
> > > > And to make the cave/computer relationship, I havn't been able to
> > > > open texascaving.com lately. :7
> > > > Puppy
> > > > =:-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Don Cooper]

You know whut?
Since I started using Gmail - I have not had one SPECK of spam.
Of course I've been pretty covetous of wavyca...@gmail.com...  I've only
used it to communicate with youse guys.
The drawback is not posting questions on google hosted or google routed
newsgroups like rec.automakers.saturn, rec.motorcycles.harley and the like.
:-(
For reasons of mighty powerful cookie recipes (I gather) I AM
wavycaver@gmail wherever I go on google.
-WaV

On 5/5/07, Butch Fralia  wrote:


 Uh, sorry, the TSA doesn't have forums anymore and the SPAM was a
problem.  People weren't using it so

Butch

 -Original Message-
*From:* Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
*Sent:* Saturday, May 05, 2007 3:30 PM
*To:* Don Cooper
*Cc:* Nico Escamilla; mark.al...@l-3com.com; wwildch...@aol.com;
Texascavers@texascavers.com
*Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

It's still showing as registered, and doesn't expire until July 07 (this
is only the domain side, not necessarily his hosting).

Perhaps Chris would donate the domain over to the TSA and they could put
an auto-redirect from it to the TSA forums?

This way any google searches wouldn't go to a dead link.
Charles

On 5/5/07, Don Cooper < wavyca...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> Hmmm... guess that's the case.
> Oh well - it was a good idea I guess, it seemed to support a lot of
> novice activity for airman's at least - but it seemed like the majority of
> new subscribers were scambot accounts looking for a place to ricochet from.
> Too bad.  Now that he's let it go, the name/domain "texascaving" WOULD seem
> to be available.
> -WaV
>
> On 5/4/07, Nico Escamilla < pitboun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm afraid Chris Saizan just let the site die cause he was no longer
> > interested in caving (he sold me his brain bucket last year), it wasnt
> > getting a lot of posts lately and I might be wrong but around this time of
> > last year he was renewing his one year hosting plan
> > with godaddy perhaps the contract expired and he didnt think renewing
> > it was worth it.
> >
> > all this is just what I think it happened, I dont know for sure
> > On 5/4/07, mark.al...@l-3com.com < mark.al...@l-3com.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  I noticed this, too.
> > >
> > > Actually, it's been MIA for a couple of weeks.
> > >
> > > Is it kaput?
> > >
> > >
> > > (A Curious) Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >  --
> > > *From:* wwildch...@aol.com [mailto:wwildch...@aol.com]
> > > *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2007 11:28 AM
> > > *To:* Texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news
> > >
> > >  Wow, and to think that my Commodore Vic 20 with 5k of RAM actually
> > > ran an operating system at all.  Since your talking bogomips, it would be 
in
> > > the neighborhood of .004
> > >
> > > And to make the cave/computer relationship, I havn't been able to
> > > open texascaving.com lately. :7
> > > Puppy
> > > =:-)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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RE: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Butch Fralia]

Uh, sorry, the TSA doesn't have forums anymore and the SPAM was a problem.
People weren't using it so
 
Butch 

-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 3:30 PM
To: Don Cooper
Cc: Nico Escamilla; mark.al...@l-3com.com; wwildch...@aol.com;
Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news


It's still showing as registered, and doesn't expire until July 07 (this is
only the domain side, not necessarily his hosting).

Perhaps Chris would donate the domain over to the TSA and they could put an
auto-redirect from it to the TSA forums?  

This way any google searches wouldn't go to a dead link.
Charles


On 5/5/07, Don Cooper mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com"; \n
wavyca...@gmail.com > wrote: 

Hmmm... guess that's the case.  
Oh well - it was a good idea I guess, it seemed to support a lot of novice
activity for airman's at least - but it seemed like the majority of new
subscribers were scambot accounts looking for a place to ricochet from.  Too
bad.  Now that he's let it go, the name/domain "texascaving" WOULD seem to
be available. 
-WaV 



On 5/4/07, Nico Escamilla mailto:pitboun...@gmail.com"; \n
pitboun...@gmail.com> wrote: 

I'm afraid Chris Saizan just let the site die cause he was no longer
interested in caving (he sold me his brain bucket last year), it wasnt
getting a lot of posts lately and I might be wrong but around this time of
last year he was renewing his one year hosting plan 
with godaddy perhaps the contract expired and he didnt think renewing it was
worth it.

all this is just what I think it happened, I dont know for sure 


On 5/4/07, HYPERLINK "mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com"; \nmark.al...@l-3com.com
mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com"; \n mark.al...@l-3com.com> wrote: 

I noticed this, too.
 
Actually, it's been MIA for a couple of weeks.
 
Is it kaput?
 
 
(A Curious) Mark 
 

   _  

From: HYPERLINK "mailto:wwildch...@aol.com"; \nwwildch...@aol.com
[mailto:HYPERLINK "mailto:wwildch...@aol.com"; \nwwildch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:28 AM
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com";
\ntexascav...@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news



Wow, and to think that my Commodore Vic 20 with 5k of RAM actually ran an
operating system at all.  Since your talking bogomips, it would be in the
neighborhood of .004
 
And to make the cave/computer relationship, I havn't been able to open
HYPERLINK "http://texascaving.com"; \ntexascaving.com lately. :7
Puppy
=:-)
 





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Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Charles Goldsmith]

It's still showing as registered, and doesn't expire until July 07 (this is
only the domain side, not necessarily his hosting).

Perhaps Chris would donate the domain over to the TSA and they could put an
auto-redirect from it to the TSA forums?

This way any google searches wouldn't go to a dead link.
Charles

On 5/5/07, Don Cooper  wrote:


Hmmm... guess that's the case.
Oh well - it was a good idea I guess, it seemed to support a lot of novice
activity for airman's at least - but it seemed like the majority of new
subscribers were scambot accounts looking for a place to ricochet from.  Too
bad.  Now that he's let it go, the name/domain "texascaving" WOULD seem to
be available.
-WaV

On 5/4/07, Nico Escamilla < pitboun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm afraid Chris Saizan just let the site die cause he was no longer
> interested in caving (he sold me his brain bucket last year), it wasnt
> getting a lot of posts lately and I might be wrong but around this time of
> last year he was renewing his one year hosting plan
> with godaddy perhaps the contract expired and he didnt think renewing it
> was worth it.
>
> all this is just what I think it happened, I dont know for sure
> On 5/4/07, mark.al...@l-3com.com < mark.al...@l-3com.com> wrote:
> >
> >  I noticed this, too.
> >
> > Actually, it's been MIA for a couple of weeks.
> >
> > Is it kaput?
> >
> >
> > (A Curious) Mark
> >
> >
> >  ------
> > *From:* wwildch...@aol.com [mailto:wwildch...@aol.com]
> > *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2007 11:28 AM
> > *To:* Texascavers@texascavers.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news
> >
> >  Wow, and to think that my Commodore Vic 20 with 5k of RAM actually
> > ran an operating system at all.  Since your talking bogomips, it would be in
> > the neighborhood of .004
> >
> > And to make the cave/computer relationship, I havn't been able to open
> > texascaving.com lately. :7
> > Puppy
> > =:-)
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Don Cooper]

Hmmm... guess that's the case.
Oh well - it was a good idea I guess, it seemed to support a lot of novice
activity for airman's at least - but it seemed like the majority of new
subscribers were scambot accounts looking for a place to ricochet from.  Too
bad.  Now that he's let it go, the name/domain "texascaving" WOULD seem to
be available.
-WaV

On 5/4/07, Nico Escamilla  wrote:


I'm afraid Chris Saizan just let the site die cause he was no longer
interested in caving (he sold me his brain bucket last year), it wasnt
getting a lot of posts lately and I might be wrong but around this time of
last year he was renewing his one year hosting plan
with godaddy perhaps the contract expired and he didnt think renewing it
was worth it.

all this is just what I think it happened, I dont know for sure
On 5/4/07, mark.al...@l-3com.com  wrote:
>
>  I noticed this, too.
>
> Actually, it's been MIA for a couple of weeks.
>
> Is it kaput?
>
>
> (A Curious) Mark
>
>
>  --
> *From:* wwildch...@aol.com [mailto:wwildch...@aol.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2007 11:28 AM
> *To:* Texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news
>
>  Wow, and to think that my Commodore Vic 20 with 5k of RAM actually ran
> an operating system at all.  Since your talking bogomips, it would be in the
> neighborhood of .004
>
> And to make the cave/computer relationship, I havn't been able to open
> texascaving.com lately. :7
> Puppy
> =:-)
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Nico Escamilla]

I'm afraid Chris Saizan just let the site die cause he was no longer
interested in caving (he sold me his brain bucket last year), it wasnt
getting a lot of posts lately and I might be wrong but around this time of
last year he was renewing his one year hosting plan
with godaddy perhaps the contract expired and he didnt think renewing it was
worth it.

all this is just what I think it happened, I dont know for sure
On 5/4/07, mark.al...@l-3com.com  wrote:


 I noticed this, too.

Actually, it's been MIA for a couple of weeks.

Is it kaput?


(A Curious) Mark


 --
*From:* wwildch...@aol.com [mailto:wwildch...@aol.com]
*Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2007 11:28 AM
*To:* Texascavers@texascavers.com
*Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

 Wow, and to think that my Commodore Vic 20 with 5k of RAM actually ran an
operating system at all.  Since your talking bogomips, it would be in the
neighborhood of .004

And to make the cave/computer relationship, I havn't been able to open
texascaving.com lately. :7
Puppy
=:-)

RE: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[mark . alman]

I noticed this, too.
 
Actually, it's been MIA for a couple of weeks.
 
Is it kaput?
 
 
(A Curious) Mark 
 



From: wwildch...@aol.com [mailto:wwildch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:28 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news


Wow, and to think that my Commodore Vic 20 with 5k of RAM actually ran
an operating system at all.  Since your talking bogomips, it would be in
the neighborhood of .004
 
And to make the cave/computer relationship, I havn't been able to open
texascaving.com lately. :7
Puppy
=:-)
 

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[wwildchild]

Wow, and to think that my Commodore Vic 20 with 5k of RAM actually ran an 
operating system at all.  Since your talking bogomips, it would be in the 
neighborhood of .004
 
And to make the cave/computer relationship, I havn't been able to open 
texascaving.com lately. :7
Puppy
=:-)
 
 
It's not power I seek, just the ability to witness the quantum entanglement of 
electrons in all states at the same time along with witnessing the effects of 
one number: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0




 
-Original Message-
From: wavyca...@gmail.com
To: wo...@justfamily.org
Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thu, 3 May 2007 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news


Well, as much as I'd like to say the 'bloatation' of Windows is a microsoft 
problem - 
I've noticed enhanced feature performance hindrance every bit as much (or even 
more) in the X-Windows, shareware realm of Gnome (graphic environment for RH 
(and other) Linux(es)).  
The '2000 release' of RH 7 Linux runs (almost) decently fast on a 233Mhz 
Pentium I MMX.
I don't mean way way up there in bogomips, but it doesn't "lag".
But - running Fedora 6 on a 500Mhz Celeron machine was downright 'painful'. 
(More than a scant 128M of memory, MIGHT have helped, though)
[Painful also in that it showed me I wasn't "all that" in configuring Samba.]
XP, being less promiscuous than Win98 has made communicating with my Linux 
"droids" impossible in their role as file servers.  Easy still, to FTP or 
Telnet, but that SMB thing... argh!! 

I guess somewhere there's a perfectly 'well put adage' about how operating 
system overhead always increases to the degree that cutting edge hardware will 
suffer only slightly.

As an ancient Chinese philosopher, (or somebody in the Firesign Theater), (or 
both), once said, "...dig a big enough hole and everybody will want to jump 
in." 
Or some other wise guy -
 "Any foot - sufficiently large, will have a shoe made that will fit it." (But 
only the horse led to water will, if the shoe fits, wear it)

-DC

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Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Charles Goldsmith]

I gave up on the RH flavors back in version 7, way too much bloat.  Since
then, I've used FreeBSD for any of my UNIX needs, especially servers.  For
workstations, I recently moved over to Ubuntu, while bloated, it supports
more Windows compatiblities than BSD did, namely shockwave, flash, video
codecs, etc.  For home, I don't have a Linux workstation anymore, I have a
BSD server and my trusty Mac.

Samba on BSD is simple, I'm using the same samba.conf that I've used for 6
years now.  I don't have a complicated config, since my samba server is
protected behind my firewall at home (also BSD).

I've downloaded a copy of the Ubuntu Lite cd, but haven't tried it yet, its
supposed to be setup for older pcs with few resources.

Charles

On 5/3/07, Don Cooper  wrote:


Well, as much as I'd like to say the 'bloatation' of Windows is a
microsoft problem -
I've noticed enhanced feature performance hindrance every bit as much (or
even more) in the X-Windows, shareware realm of Gnome (graphic environment
for RH (and other) Linux(es)).
The '2000 release' of RH 7 Linux runs (almost) decently fast on a 233Mhz
Pentium I MMX.
I don't mean way way up there in bogomips, but it doesn't "lag".
But - running Fedora 6 on a 500Mhz Celeron machine was downright
'painful'.
(More than a scant 128M of memory, MIGHT have helped, though)
[Painful also in that it showed me I wasn't "all that" in configuring
Samba.]
XP, being less promiscuous than Win98 has made communicating with my Linux
"droids" impossible in their role as file servers.  Easy still, to FTP or
Telnet, but that SMB thing... argh!!

I guess somewhere there's a perfectly 'well put adage' about how operating
system overhead always increases to the degree that cutting edge hardware
will suffer only slightly.

As an ancient Chinese philosopher, (or somebody in the Firesign Theater),
(or both), once said, "...dig a big enough hole and everybody will want to
jump in."
Or some other wise guy -
 "Any foot - sufficiently large, will have a shoe made that will fit it."
(But only the horse led to water will, if the shoe fits, wear it)

-DC


On 5/2/07, Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>
> I'm not surprised, I put WFW3.11 on a server class pentium pro 200 with
> a raid 5 scsi system back in 1996, just to time it booting up, and of
> course, it booted very nicely in under 2 seconds.
>
> I'm sure Win95 or 98 will boot up on modern, fast hardware very quickly,
> it would be usable, and would probably get compromised pretty quickly if you
> didn't protect it properly when putting it on the web.  For the most part,
> modern OS's are getting very bloated, they boot slowly because they have to
> load way too much junk, IMO.
>
> My macpro boots the fastest out of my modern boxes, it boots up to a
> login prompt in under 5 seconds from a cold start.  The same box takes about
> 15 seconds to load up to XP via Bootcamp.  The average computer doesn't come
> close to that unfortunately.  Hopefully the computer manufacturers will
> learn that we want the option for a simple & fast computer, without all of
> the fluff.
>
> OK, I'll get off my soap box :)
> Charles
>
> On 5/2/07, Don Cooper < wavyca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe in the interim they'll release a 'Classic' 3.1 version.
> > Wouldn't that be hilarious?  A "return to Windows fundamentals"
> > I think I might have mentioned it to you or someone on the remailer
> > list that I hooked up hard drive containing Windows 3.11 on a 400 Mhz
> > PIII machine. It booted up so incredibly fast that it seemed comic.
> > Literally booting up within 1/4 of a second. (Shutdown too)
> > Not useful for much though... not many 'current' applications were
> > written for the 3.1 O/S.
> > Not many available drivers for much of the hardware either -
> > -DC
> >
> > On 5/2/07, Charles Goldsmith < wo...@justfamily.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Don, your prediction is probably right, I'll stick to my OSX and
> > > UNIX favorites... I only use Windows where I have to, and will keep using 
XP
> > > there until I'm forced to update because xyz application or game forces me
> > > to go to Vista.
> > >
> > > ME was a horrible experience.
> > > Charles
> > >
> > > On 5/2/07, Don Cooper < wavyca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  While we're "On Computers" and predictions I'll try my John
> > > > McLaughlin voice:
> > > >
> > > > >Vista will become the next instance of an 'ME' type, poorly
> > > > received release.<
> > > >  Opinion, Commentary?
> > > > -WaV
> > > >
> > > > (IMO - even with USB 2.0 - non volitle memory sticks are too slow
> > > > to speed up any process.
> > > > Useful as a substitute for older removeable magnetic storage, but
> > > > about the same.)
> > > > On 5/2/07, Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > David, flash drives are becoming a very viable medium for
> > > > > computers.  Dell recently announced that certain models of laptops 
would
> > > > > have the option for a flash hard drive, but at a steep cost.
> > > > > http://hardware.sla

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Don Cooper]

Well, as much as I'd like to say the 'bloatation' of Windows is a microsoft
problem -
I've noticed enhanced feature performance hindrance every bit as much (or
even more) in the X-Windows, shareware realm of Gnome (graphic environment
for RH (and other) Linux(es)).
The '2000 release' of RH 7 Linux runs (almost) decently fast on a 233Mhz
Pentium I MMX.
I don't mean way way up there in bogomips, but it doesn't "lag".
But - running Fedora 6 on a 500Mhz Celeron machine was downright 'painful'.
(More than a scant 128M of memory, MIGHT have helped, though)
[Painful also in that it showed me I wasn't "all that" in configuring
Samba.]
XP, being less promiscuous than Win98 has made communicating with my Linux
"droids" impossible in their role as file servers.  Easy still, to FTP or
Telnet, but that SMB thing... argh!!

I guess somewhere there's a perfectly 'well put adage' about how operating
system overhead always increases to the degree that cutting edge hardware
will suffer only slightly.

As an ancient Chinese philosopher, (or somebody in the Firesign Theater),
(or both), once said, "...dig a big enough hole and everybody will want to
jump in."
Or some other wise guy -
"Any foot - sufficiently large, will have a shoe made that will fit it."
(But only the horse led to water will, if the shoe fits, wear it)

-DC


On 5/2/07, Charles Goldsmith  wrote:


I'm not surprised, I put WFW3.11 on a server class pentium pro 200 with a
raid 5 scsi system back in 1996, just to time it booting up, and of course,
it booted very nicely in under 2 seconds.

I'm sure Win95 or 98 will boot up on modern, fast hardware very quickly,
it would be usable, and would probably get compromised pretty quickly if you
didn't protect it properly when putting it on the web.  For the most part,
modern OS's are getting very bloated, they boot slowly because they have to
load way too much junk, IMO.

My macpro boots the fastest out of my modern boxes, it boots up to a login
prompt in under 5 seconds from a cold start.  The same box takes about 15
seconds to load up to XP via Bootcamp.  The average computer doesn't come
close to that unfortunately.  Hopefully the computer manufacturers will
learn that we want the option for a simple & fast computer, without all of
the fluff.

OK, I'll get off my soap box :)
Charles

On 5/2/07, Don Cooper  wrote:
>
> Maybe in the interim they'll release a 'Classic' 3.1 version.
> Wouldn't that be hilarious?  A "return to Windows fundamentals"
> I think I might have mentioned it to you or someone on the remailer list
> that I hooked up hard drive containing Windows 3.11 on a 400 Mhz PIII
> machine. It booted up so incredibly fast that it seemed comic.  Literally
> booting up within 1/4 of a second. (Shutdown too)
> Not useful for much though... not many 'current' applications were
> written for the 3.1 O/S.
> Not many available drivers for much of the hardware either -
> -DC
>
> On 5/2/07, Charles Goldsmith < wo...@justfamily.org> wrote:
> >
> > Don, your prediction is probably right, I'll stick to my OSX and UNIX
> > favorites... I only use Windows where I have to, and will keep using XP
> > there until I'm forced to update because xyz application or game forces me
> > to go to Vista.
> >
> > ME was a horrible experience.
> > Charles
> >
> > On 5/2/07, Don Cooper < wavyca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  While we're "On Computers" and predictions I'll try my John
> > > McLaughlin voice:
> > >
> > > >Vista will become the next instance of an 'ME' type, poorly
> > > received release.<
> > >  Opinion, Commentary?
> > > -WaV
> > >
> > > (IMO - even with USB 2.0 - non volitle memory sticks are too slow to
> > > speed up any process.
> > > Useful as a substitute for older removeable magnetic storage, but
> > > about the same.)
> > > On 5/2/07, Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > David, flash drives are becoming a very viable medium for
> > > > computers.  Dell recently announced that certain models of laptops would
> > > > have the option for a flash hard drive, but at a steep cost.
> > > > http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/26/2049235
> > > >
> > > > I predict that within 5 years, you'll find lots of computers
> > > > having a solid state drive.
> > > >
> > > > Lots of people are using usb flash drives as a part of their OS
> > > > today, moving their swap files over to flash for speed:
> > > >
> > > > 
http://lifehacker.com/software/vista/speed-up-windows-vista-with-a-flash-drive-221592.php
> > > >
> > > > 
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/04/24/living-dangerously-moving-your-macs-swap-files-to-a-usb-flash-drive
> > > >
> > > > Windows XP won't support this without quite a bit of hacking, but
> > > > it can be done.  It's not for the faint of heart though.
> > > >
> > > > One thing to note, moving your swap file over will work, but with
> > > > cheap USB Flash drives, it will actually slow you down, make sure you 
use a
> > > > quality flash drive that is built for performance.
>

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Charles Goldsmith]

I'm not surprised, I put WFW3.11 on a server class pentium pro 200 with a
raid 5 scsi system back in 1996, just to time it booting up, and of course,
it booted very nicely in under 2 seconds.

I'm sure Win95 or 98 will boot up on modern, fast hardware very quickly, it
would be usable, and would probably get compromised pretty quickly if you
didn't protect it properly when putting it on the web.  For the most part,
modern OS's are getting very bloated, they boot slowly because they have to
load way too much junk, IMO.

My macpro boots the fastest out of my modern boxes, it boots up to a login
prompt in under 5 seconds from a cold start.  The same box takes about 15
seconds to load up to XP via Bootcamp.  The average computer doesn't come
close to that unfortunately.  Hopefully the computer manufacturers will
learn that we want the option for a simple & fast computer, without all of
the fluff.

OK, I'll get off my soap box :)
Charles

On 5/2/07, Don Cooper  wrote:


Maybe in the interim they'll release a 'Classic' 3.1 version.
Wouldn't that be hilarious?  A "return to Windows fundamentals"
I think I might have mentioned it to you or someone on the remailer list
that I hooked up hard drive containing Windows 3.11 on a 400 Mhz PIII
machine. It booted up so incredibly fast that it seemed comic.  Literally
booting up within 1/4 of a second. (Shutdown too)
Not useful for much though... not many 'current' applications were written
for the 3.1 O/S.
Not many available drivers for much of the hardware either -
-DC

On 5/2/07, Charles Goldsmith < wo...@justfamily.org> wrote:
>
> Don, your prediction is probably right, I'll stick to my OSX and UNIX
> favorites... I only use Windows where I have to, and will keep using XP
> there until I'm forced to update because xyz application or game forces me
> to go to Vista.
>
> ME was a horrible experience.
> Charles
>
> On 5/2/07, Don Cooper < wavyca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  While we're "On Computers" and predictions I'll try my John
> > McLaughlin voice:
> >
> > >Vista will become the next instance of an 'ME' type, poorly
> > received release.<
> >  Opinion, Commentary?
> > -WaV
> >
> > (IMO - even with USB 2.0 - non volitle memory sticks are too slow to
> > speed up any process.
> > Useful as a substitute for older removeable magnetic storage, but
> > about the same.)
> > On 5/2/07, Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
> > >
> > > David, flash drives are becoming a very viable medium for
> > > computers.  Dell recently announced that certain models of laptops would
> > > have the option for a flash hard drive, but at a steep cost.
> > > http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/26/2049235
> > >
> > > I predict that within 5 years, you'll find lots of computers having
> > > a solid state drive.
> > >
> > > Lots of people are using usb flash drives as a part of their OS
> > > today, moving their swap files over to flash for speed:
> > >
> > > 
http://lifehacker.com/software/vista/speed-up-windows-vista-with-a-flash-drive-221592.php
> > >
> > > 
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/04/24/living-dangerously-moving-your-macs-swap-files-to-a-usb-flash-drive
> > >
> > > Windows XP won't support this without quite a bit of hacking, but it
> > > can be done.  It's not for the faint of heart though.
> > >
> > > One thing to note, moving your swap file over will work, but with
> > > cheap USB Flash drives, it will actually slow you down, make sure you use 
a
> > > quality flash drive that is built for performance.
> > >
> > > Charles
> > >
> > > On 5/2/07, David Locklear  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A few weeks ago, I posted an idea about putting a USB stick on the
> > > > inside of your computer.This idea met with little fanfare.
> > > >
> > > > Asus, a motherboard company, has decided to take my idea one step
> > > > farther.They took the plastic shell off the USB stick and then
> > > >
> > > > soldered the flash-memory card to one of their newest Vista-ready
> > > > motherboards.
> > > >
> > > > http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q1/asus-vistaedition/phison.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Of course, there are obvious disadvantages to this, like what if
> > > > you
> > > > get bad memory or your memory later fries.Or you decide you
> > > > like
> > > > it, but want more flash-memory.
> > > >
> > > > But with 512 Mb, you could "temporarily store" your current work
> > > > projects,
> > > > especially Word and Excel files.
> > > >
> > > > I think the main reason they are doing this is that they claim it
> > > > "might" speed up the time that your Vista computer boots.  But
> > > > if
> > > > you already have fast RAM, this new Vista feature, will not be
> > > > improved by the flash-memory.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ten years ago, I worked for an engineering research company on a
> > > > AutoCAD station.  The computer had a huge 600 Mb hard-drive.
> > > > My
> > > > point is that you
> > > > can probably find a practical use for a 512 Mb flash-memory on
> > > > your
> > > >

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Don Cooper]

Maybe in the interim they'll release a 'Classic' 3.1 version.
Wouldn't that be hilarious?  A "return to Windows fundamentals"
I think I might have mentioned it to you or someone on the remailer list
that I hooked up hard drive containing Windows 3.11 on a 400 Mhz PIII
machine. It booted up so incredibly fast that it seemed comic.  Literally
booting up within 1/4 of a second. (Shutdown too)
Not useful for much though... not many 'current' applications were written
for the 3.1 O/S.
Not many available drivers for much of the hardware either -
-DC

On 5/2/07, Charles Goldsmith  wrote:


Don, your prediction is probably right, I'll stick to my OSX and UNIX
favorites... I only use Windows where I have to, and will keep using XP
there until I'm forced to update because xyz application or game forces me
to go to Vista.

ME was a horrible experience.
Charles

On 5/2/07, Don Cooper  wrote:
>
>  While we're "On Computers" and predictions I'll try my John McLaughlin
> voice:
>
> >Vista will become the next instance of an 'ME' type, poorly
> received release.<
>  Opinion, Commentary?
> -WaV
>
> (IMO - even with USB 2.0 - non volitle memory sticks are too slow to
> speed up any process.
> Useful as a substitute for older removeable magnetic storage, but about
> the same.)
> On 5/2/07, Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
> >
> > David, flash drives are becoming a very viable medium for computers.
> > Dell recently announced that certain models of laptops would have the option
> > for a flash hard drive, but at a steep cost.
> > http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/26/2049235
> >
> > I predict that within 5 years, you'll find lots of computers having a
> > solid state drive.
> >
> > Lots of people are using usb flash drives as a part of their OS today,
> > moving their swap files over to flash for speed:
> >
> > 
http://lifehacker.com/software/vista/speed-up-windows-vista-with-a-flash-drive-221592.php
> >
> > 
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/04/24/living-dangerously-moving-your-macs-swap-files-to-a-usb-flash-drive
> >
> > Windows XP won't support this without quite a bit of hacking, but it
> > can be done.  It's not for the faint of heart though.
> >
> > One thing to note, moving your swap file over will work, but with
> > cheap USB Flash drives, it will actually slow you down, make sure you use a
> > quality flash drive that is built for performance.
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > On 5/2/07, David Locklear  wrote:
> > >
> > > A few weeks ago, I posted an idea about putting a USB stick on the
> > > inside of your computer.This idea met with little fanfare.
> > >
> > > Asus, a motherboard company, has decided to take my idea one step
> > > farther.They took the plastic shell off the USB stick and then
> > > soldered the flash-memory card to one of their newest Vista-ready
> > > motherboards.
> > >
> > > http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q1/asus-vistaedition/phison.jpg
> > >
> > > Of course, there are obvious disadvantages to this, like what if you
> > > get bad memory or your memory later fries.Or you decide you like
> > > it, but want more flash-memory.
> > >
> > > But with 512 Mb, you could "temporarily store" your current work
> > > projects,
> > > especially Word and Excel files.
> > >
> > > I think the main reason they are doing this is that they claim it
> > > "might" speed up the time that your Vista computer boots.  But
> > > if
> > > you already have fast RAM, this new Vista feature, will not be
> > > improved by the flash-memory.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ten years ago, I worked for an engineering research company on a
> > > AutoCAD station.  The computer had a huge 600 Mb hard-drive. My
> > > point is that you
> > > can probably find a practical use for a 512 Mb flash-memory on your
> > > motherboard.
> > >
> > > My prediction is that in another 10 years, computers will have a
> > > mother-board
> > > slot for internal flash-memory.   It "might" use something similar
> > > to
> > > Firewire 800, and we will be talking about gigabytes.For
> > > example,
> > > Lexar,
> > > already has a Firewire 800 CF Card reader for their fastest 8 Gb
> > > cards:
> > >
> > > http://www.lexar.com/readers/pro_udma_reader.html
> > >
> > >
> > > In summary, now would be a good time to invest some money in a
> > > start-up
> > > company making flash memory.
> > >
> > > David Locklear
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Charles Goldsmith]

I should have updated sooner, he's doing great, he was released on Monday
and is home on oral antibiotics

Thanks for asking

On 5/2/07, Pete Lindsley  wrote:


Right on! Macs Rulz!

Charles, how is your brother doing? I hope all is well.

  - Pete

Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> Don, your prediction is probably right, I'll stick to my OSX and UNIX
> favorites... I only use Windows where I have to, and will keep using XP
> there until I'm forced to update because xyz application or game forces
> me to go to Vista.
>
> ME was a horrible experience.
> Charles
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Pete Lindsley]

Right on! Macs Rulz!

Charles, how is your brother doing? I hope all is well.

 - Pete

Charles Goldsmith wrote:
Don, your prediction is probably right, I'll stick to my OSX and UNIX 
favorites... I only use Windows where I have to, and will keep using XP 
there until I'm forced to update because xyz application or game forces 
me to go to Vista.


ME was a horrible experience.
Charles

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Charles Goldsmith]

Don, your prediction is probably right, I'll stick to my OSX and UNIX
favorites... I only use Windows where I have to, and will keep using XP
there until I'm forced to update because xyz application or game forces me
to go to Vista.

ME was a horrible experience.
Charles

On 5/2/07, Don Cooper  wrote:


 While we're "On Computers" and predictions I'll try my John McLaughlin
voice:

>Vista will become the next instance of an 'ME' type, poorly
received release.<
 Opinion, Commentary?
-WaV

(IMO - even with USB 2.0 - non volitle memory sticks are too slow to speed
up any process.
Useful as a substitute for older removeable magnetic storage, but about
the same.)
On 5/2/07, Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>
> David, flash drives are becoming a very viable medium for computers.
> Dell recently announced that certain models of laptops would have the option
> for a flash hard drive, but at a steep cost.
> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/26/2049235
>
> I predict that within 5 years, you'll find lots of computers having a
> solid state drive.
>
> Lots of people are using usb flash drives as a part of their OS today,
> moving their swap files over to flash for speed:
>
> 
http://lifehacker.com/software/vista/speed-up-windows-vista-with-a-flash-drive-221592.php
>
> 
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/04/24/living-dangerously-moving-your-macs-swap-files-to-a-usb-flash-drive
>
> Windows XP won't support this without quite a bit of hacking, but it can
> be done.  It's not for the faint of heart though.
>
> One thing to note, moving your swap file over will work, but with cheap
> USB Flash drives, it will actually slow you down, make sure you use a
> quality flash drive that is built for performance.
>
> Charles
>
> On 5/2/07, David Locklear  wrote:
> >
> > A few weeks ago, I posted an idea about putting a USB stick on the
> > inside of your computer.This idea met with little fanfare.
> >
> > Asus, a motherboard company, has decided to take my idea one step
> > farther.They took the plastic shell off the USB stick and then
> > soldered the flash-memory card to one of their newest Vista-ready
> > motherboards.
> >
> > http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q1/asus-vistaedition/phison.jpg
> >
> > Of course, there are obvious disadvantages to this, like what if you
> > get bad memory or your memory later fries.Or you decide you like
> > it, but want more flash-memory.
> >
> > But with 512 Mb, you could "temporarily store" your current work
> > projects,
> > especially Word and Excel files.
> >
> > I think the main reason they are doing this is that they claim it
> > "might" speed up the time that your Vista computer boots.  But if
> > you already have fast RAM, this new Vista feature, will not be
> > improved by the flash-memory.
> >
> >
> > Ten years ago, I worked for an engineering research company on a
> > AutoCAD station.  The computer had a huge 600 Mb hard-drive. My
> > point is that you
> > can probably find a practical use for a 512 Mb flash-memory on your
> > motherboard.
> >
> > My prediction is that in another 10 years, computers will have a
> > mother-board
> > slot for internal flash-memory.   It "might" use something similar to
> > Firewire 800, and we will be talking about gigabytes.For example,
> > Lexar,
> > already has a Firewire 800 CF Card reader for their fastest 8 Gb
> > cards:
> >
> > http://www.lexar.com/readers/pro_udma_reader.html
> >
> >
> > In summary, now would be a good time to invest some money in a
> > start-up
> > company making flash memory.
> >
> > David Locklear
> >
>
>

RE: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Rick]

I run vista and XP in a virtual machine, I hate vista overall but run it due
to its my job to know about these things so I force myself to get use to it,
lots of pro's with the OS but also lots of cons, maybe after SP1 it'll be
better, but there are way too many menu's, takes 10 times the amount of
reading to change things vs XP.

 

(IMO - even with USB 2.0 - non volitle memory sticks are too slow to speed
up any process.

The idea behind the flash memory for use for performance is the seek times
are amazingly fast vs spindle seek times

 

 

From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 5:03 PM
To: Charles Goldsmith
Cc: Cavers, Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

 

 While we're "On Computers" and predictions I'll try my John McLaughlin
voice:

 

>Vista will become the next instance of an 'ME' type, poorly received
release.<

 Opinion, Commentary?

-WaV

(IMO - even with USB 2.0 - non volitle memory sticks are too slow to speed
up any process.

The idea behind the flash memory for use for performance is the seek times
are amazingly fast vs spindle seek times

 

Useful as a substitute for older removeable magnetic storage, but about the
same.)

On 5/2/07, Charles Goldsmith  wrote: 

David, flash drives are becoming a very viable medium for computers.  Dell
recently announced that certain models of laptops would have the option for
a flash hard drive, but at a steep cost.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/26/2049235

I predict that within 5 years, you'll find lots of computers having a solid
state drive. 

Lots of people are using usb flash drives as a part of their OS today,
moving their swap files over to flash for speed: 
http://lifehacker.com/software/vista/speed-up-windows-vista-with-a-flash-dri
ve-221592.php
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/04/24/living-dangerously-movi
ng-your-macs-swap-files-to-a-usb-flash-drive 

Windows XP won't support this without quite a bit of hacking, but it can be
done.  It's not for the faint of heart though. 

One thing to note, moving your swap file over will work, but with cheap USB
Flash drives, it will actually slow you down, make sure you use a quality
flash drive that is built for performance.

Charles 

 

On 5/2/07, David Locklear mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

A few weeks ago, I posted an idea about putting a USB stick on the
inside of your computer.This idea met with little fanfare. 

Asus, a motherboard company, has decided to take my idea one step
farther.They took the plastic shell off the USB stick and then 
soldered the flash-memory card to one of their newest Vista-ready
motherboards. 

http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q1/asus-vistaedition/phison.jpg 

Of course, there are obvious disadvantages to this, like what if you
get bad memory or your memory later fries.Or you decide you like
it, but want more flash-memory.

But with 512 Mb, you could "temporarily store" your current work projects, 
especially Word and Excel files.

I think the main reason they are doing this is that they claim it
"might" speed up the time that your Vista computer boots.  But if
you already have fast RAM, this new Vista feature, will not be 
improved by the flash-memory.


Ten years ago, I worked for an engineering research company on a
AutoCAD station.  The computer had a huge 600 Mb hard-drive. My
point is that you
can probably find a practical use for a 512 Mb flash-memory on your 
motherboard.

My prediction is that in another 10 years, computers will have a
mother-board
slot for internal flash-memory.   It "might" use something similar to
Firewire 800, and we will be talking about gigabytes.For example, 
Lexar,
already has a Firewire 800 CF Card reader for their fastest 8 Gb cards:

http://www.lexar.com/readers/pro_udma_reader.html


In summary, now would be a good time to invest some money in a start-up 
company making flash memory.

David Locklear

 

 

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Don Cooper]

While we're "On Computers" and predictions I'll try my John McLaughlin
voice:


Vista will become the next instance of an 'ME' type, poorly

received release.<
Opinion, Commentary?
-WaV

(IMO - even with USB 2.0 - non volitle memory sticks are too slow to speed
up any process.
Useful as a substitute for older removeable magnetic storage, but about the
same.)
On 5/2/07, Charles Goldsmith  wrote:


David, flash drives are becoming a very viable medium for computers.  Dell
recently announced that certain models of laptops would have the option for
a flash hard drive, but at a steep cost.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/26/2049235

I predict that within 5 years, you'll find lots of computers having a
solid state drive.

Lots of people are using usb flash drives as a part of their OS today,
moving their swap files over to flash for speed:

http://lifehacker.com/software/vista/speed-up-windows-vista-with-a-flash-drive-221592.php

http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/04/24/living-dangerously-moving-your-macs-swap-files-to-a-usb-flash-drive

Windows XP won't support this without quite a bit of hacking, but it can
be done.  It's not for the faint of heart though.

One thing to note, moving your swap file over will work, but with cheap
USB Flash drives, it will actually slow you down, make sure you use a
quality flash drive that is built for performance.

Charles

On 5/2/07, David Locklear  wrote:
>
> A few weeks ago, I posted an idea about putting a USB stick on the
> inside of your computer.This idea met with little fanfare.
>
> Asus, a motherboard company, has decided to take my idea one step
> farther.They took the plastic shell off the USB stick and then
> soldered the flash-memory card to one of their newest Vista-ready
> motherboards.
>
> http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q1/asus-vistaedition/phison.jpg
>
> Of course, there are obvious disadvantages to this, like what if you
> get bad memory or your memory later fries.Or you decide you like
> it, but want more flash-memory.
>
> But with 512 Mb, you could "temporarily store" your current work
> projects,
> especially Word and Excel files.
>
> I think the main reason they are doing this is that they claim it
> "might" speed up the time that your Vista computer boots.  But if
> you already have fast RAM, this new Vista feature, will not be
> improved by the flash-memory.
>
>
> Ten years ago, I worked for an engineering research company on a
> AutoCAD station.  The computer had a huge 600 Mb hard-drive. My
> point is that you
> can probably find a practical use for a 512 Mb flash-memory on your
> motherboard.
>
> My prediction is that in another 10 years, computers will have a
> mother-board
> slot for internal flash-memory.   It "might" use something similar to
> Firewire 800, and we will be talking about gigabytes.For example,
> Lexar,
> already has a Firewire 800 CF Card reader for their fastest 8 Gb cards:
>
> http://www.lexar.com/readers/pro_udma_reader.html
>
>
> In summary, now would be a good time to invest some money in a start-up
> company making flash memory.
>
> David Locklear
>

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Charles Goldsmith]

David, flash drives are becoming a very viable medium for computers.  Dell
recently announced that certain models of laptops would have the option for
a flash hard drive, but at a steep cost.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/26/2049235

I predict that within 5 years, you'll find lots of computers having a solid
state drive.

Lots of people are using usb flash drives as a part of their OS today,
moving their swap files over to flash for speed:
http://lifehacker.com/software/vista/speed-up-windows-vista-with-a-flash-drive-221592.php
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/04/24/living-dangerously-moving-your-macs-swap-files-to-a-usb-flash-drive

Windows XP won't support this without quite a bit of hacking, but it can be
done.  It's not for the faint of heart though.

One thing to note, moving your swap file over will work, but with cheap USB
Flash drives, it will actually slow you down, make sure you use a quality
flash drive that is built for performance.

Charles

On 5/2/07, David Locklear  wrote:


A few weeks ago, I posted an idea about putting a USB stick on the
inside of your computer.This idea met with little fanfare.

Asus, a motherboard company, has decided to take my idea one step
farther.They took the plastic shell off the USB stick and then
soldered the flash-memory card to one of their newest Vista-ready
motherboards.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q1/asus-vistaedition/phison.jpg

Of course, there are obvious disadvantages to this, like what if you
get bad memory or your memory later fries.Or you decide you like
it, but want more flash-memory.

But with 512 Mb, you could "temporarily store" your current work projects,
especially Word and Excel files.

I think the main reason they are doing this is that they claim it
"might" speed up the time that your Vista computer boots.  But if
you already have fast RAM, this new Vista feature, will not be
improved by the flash-memory.


Ten years ago, I worked for an engineering research company on a
AutoCAD station.  The computer had a huge 600 Mb hard-drive. My
point is that you
can probably find a practical use for a 512 Mb flash-memory on your
motherboard.

My prediction is that in another 10 years, computers will have a
mother-board
slot for internal flash-memory.   It "might" use something similar to
Firewire 800, and we will be talking about gigabytes.For example,
Lexar,
already has a Firewire 800 CF Card reader for their fastest 8 Gb cards:

http://www.lexar.com/readers/pro_udma_reader.html


In summary, now would be a good time to invest some money in a start-up
company making flash memory.

David Locklear

RE: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Rick]

The purpose of flash memory and vista is for vista to store small files that
are usually randomly accessed from your hard drive on flash, the I/O of
flash is usually not that great but it has awesome seek times compared to
spindles, therefore the theory is you can get a performance boost out of it,
see "vista ready boost"



-Original Message-
From: David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:51 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

A few weeks ago, I posted an idea about putting a USB stick on the
inside of your computer.This idea met with little fanfare.

Asus, a motherboard company, has decided to take my idea one step
farther.They took the plastic shell off the USB stick and then
soldered the flash-memory card to one of their newest Vista-ready
motherboards.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q1/asus-vistaedition/phison.jpg

Of course, there are obvious disadvantages to this, like what if you
get bad memory or your memory later fries.Or you decide you like
it, but want more flash-memory.

But with 512 Mb, you could "temporarily store" your current work projects,
especially Word and Excel files.

I think the main reason they are doing this is that they claim it
"might" speed up the time that your Vista computer boots.  But if
you already have fast RAM, this new Vista feature, will not be
improved by the flash-memory.


Ten years ago, I worked for an engineering research company on a
AutoCAD station.  The computer had a huge 600 Mb hard-drive. My
point is that you
can probably find a practical use for a 512 Mb flash-memory on your
motherboard.

My prediction is that in another 10 years, computers will have a
mother-board
slot for internal flash-memory.   It "might" use something similar to
Firewire 800, and we will be talking about gigabytes.For example,
Lexar,
already has a Firewire 800 CF Card reader for their fastest 8 Gb cards:

http://www.lexar.com/readers/pro_udma_reader.html


In summary, now would be a good time to invest some money in a start-up
company making flash memory.

David Locklear

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RE: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Stefan Creaser]

The time is well past for investing in a flash start-up...

Stefan

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In summary, now would be a good time to invest some money in a start-up
company making flash memory.

David Locklear



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Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith]

David, you are delving into a deep and unknown area :)

As WaVy states, most unix's/linux are free, so don't spend any money on
them.  A good one to play with (and you dont' have to install) is
Knoppix http://knoppix.org/ (it runs from a cd, or you can go through an
installer), just pop the cd in, reboot and off you go.  You can download
it for free or order a cd or dvd version if you are on dialup pretty
cheaply.  It's something good to play with and not mess with your
windows setup, unless you have a spare computer laying around.

Don't mess with purchasing one of the enterprise versions of linux,
you'll be disappointed.

All of my web, mail, etc servers run on unix, and I use it daily at work
for most of my tasks.  I only keep a windows computer around for gaming
these days.

If you have questions or need help, feel free to email me.
Charles

David Locklear wrote:

I am posting this here because it might interest
a few of you, and I feel it is important.
 
I was in a computer store last week in the book section

and there was a magazine that included CD's for a program called
"Mandriva Linux 2006."
 
I have been wanting to give Linux a try.   The

review below is intended to help someone, like me, with no knowledge
of Linux.  I hope this will save them from the
hassles of trying Linux.
 
 
Review of Mandriva Linux 2006:
 
I was impressed with this program. The $ 20 price

for the magazine included a ton of good software, almost
everything a computer user at home would need, including
an office suite, a web browser, a e-mail program, games,
etc.
 
I knew absolutely nothing about Linux and I was up and

running in less than an hour of tinkering with it.It immediately
recognized most of my hardware, even USB gadgets like memory sticks
and card readers.  I believe the only thing that failed were a modem
driver and a printer driver.I purchased a new modem that had
Linux drivers at Fry's  -   ( PCI Plus model 2920 ).
 
However, based on my experience, I would NEVER mix

Windows and Linux on your first experiments with this
operating system. I would get a cheap computer from
somewhere that has USB ports, and then transfer your
photos, music, etc. via USB sticks to the Linux computer.
 
The commercial version of Mandriva 2006 appears to
be around $ 85 on the web.   
 
http://wwwnew.mandriva.com/en/individuals/products/2006powerpack
 
An equivalent MicroSoft product would cost over $ 1000. 
 
The magazine I purchased was:
 
http://linuxformat.co.uk
 
In my opinion, Linux is ready to go mainstream, and Windows is

going to have some real competition.
 
Based on my "brief" encounter with Mandriva 2006,
I am convinced now that Linux has a very bright future. 
 
Before you spend money upgrading Windows to the new Vista, I recommend you
at least give Linux a test drive.There are many new releases of 
variations of Linux, besides

the one I tested. There is Fedora 5, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Linspire,
Xandros, and many many more.
 
Based on my web research the following distribution of Linux is getting 
some of the

best reviews:
 
http://www.ubuntu.com/ 
 
But to be fair, I can't say all is rosy and perfect.I couldn't get 
my favorite
windows-based program to run inside of Linux. And the more I tried, 
the more my computer
became screwed up.  I ended up with a big mess and had to reformat 
my partition.So, in my opinion,

trying to mix Windows and Linux is a bad idea for beginners.
 
Many of the computer books that I saw on Linux, seemed out-dated. If 
you buy one with
a disc in it, look for the books that were printed in 2006 and have a 
DVD.   However, those
are in the $ 45 range. You can find similar books in the used 
section for under $ 20.  
 
David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news

[Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith]

David, you are delving into a deep and unknown area :)

As WaVy states, most unix's/linux are free, so don't spend any money on 
them.  A good one to play with (and you dont' have to install) is 
Knoppix http://knoppix.org/ (it runs from a cd, or you can go through an 
installer), just pop the cd in, reboot and off you go.  You can download 
it for free or order a cd or dvd version if you are on dialup pretty 
cheaply.  It's something good to play with and not mess with your 
windows setup, unless you have a spare computer laying around.


Don't mess with purchasing one of the enterprise versions of linux, 
you'll be disappointed.


All of my web, mail, etc servers run on unix, and I use it daily at work 
for most of my tasks.  I only keep a windows computer around for gaming 
these days.


If you have questions or need help, feel free to email me.
Charles

David Locklear wrote:

I am posting this here because it might interest
a few of you, and I feel it is important.
 
I was in a computer store last week in the book section

and there was a magazine that included CD's for a program called
"Mandriva Linux 2006."
 
I have been wanting to give Linux a try.   The

review below is intended to help someone, like me, with no knowledge
of Linux.  I hope this will save them from the
hassles of trying Linux.
 
 
Review of Mandriva Linux 2006:
 
I was impressed with this program. The $ 20 price

for the magazine included a ton of good software, almost
everything a computer user at home would need, including
an office suite, a web browser, a e-mail program, games,
etc.
 
I knew absolutely nothing about Linux and I was up and

running in less than an hour of tinkering with it.It immediately
recognized most of my hardware, even USB gadgets like memory sticks
and card readers.  I believe the only thing that failed were a modem
driver and a printer driver.I purchased a new modem that had
Linux drivers at Fry's  -   ( PCI Plus model 2920 ).
 
However, based on my experience, I would NEVER mix

Windows and Linux on your first experiments with this
operating system. I would get a cheap computer from
somewhere that has USB ports, and then transfer your
photos, music, etc. via USB sticks to the Linux computer.
 
The commercial version of Mandriva 2006 appears to
be around $ 85 on the web.   
 
http://wwwnew.mandriva.com/en/individuals/products/2006powerpack
 
An equivalent MicroSoft product would cost over $ 1000. 
 
The magazine I purchased was:
 
http://linuxformat.co.uk
 
In my opinion, Linux is ready to go mainstream, and Windows is

going to have some real competition.
 
Based on my "brief" encounter with Mandriva 2006,
I am convinced now that Linux has a very bright future. 
 
Before you spend money upgrading Windows to the new Vista, I recommend you
at least give Linux a test drive.There are many new releases of 
variations of Linux, besides

the one I tested. There is Fedora 5, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Linspire,
Xandros, and many many more.
 
Based on my web research the following distribution of Linux is getting 
some of the

best reviews:
 
http://www.ubuntu.com/ 
 
But to be fair, I can't say all is rosy and perfect.I couldn't get 
my favorite
windows-based program to run inside of Linux. And the more I tried, 
the more my computer
became screwed up.  I ended up with a big mess and had to reformat 
my partition.So, in my opinion,

trying to mix Windows and Linux is a bad idea for beginners.
 
Many of the computer books that I saw on Linux, seemed out-dated. If 
you buy one with
a disc in it, look for the books that were printed in 2006 and have a 
DVD.   However, those
are in the $ 45 range. You can find similar books in the used 
section for under $ 20.  
 
David Locklear