Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-10 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers 
Paradise Canyon for me has some ill feelings since one of my best life long
friends died in an accident there. Not the canyon's fault, too much beer
most likely and not paying attention. But that memory is still ingrained. I
don't really mind the place but I do like Brackettville it is only 40 miles
away.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Herr Charles and others, Achtung!
> Paradise Canyon is a great venue, especially for an old fart and his
> precious June who both appreciate the convenience of a private cabin.
> However I do miss the after dark camaraderie of sitting around your and
> others camp fires before hitting the cot. My favorite venue of a few years
> ago was Fort Clark and Springs at Brackettville. A little far for a few in
> East Texas but better for West Texas and New Mexico. Great facilities,
> fabulous water and several of our favorite wild? caves in the general area.
> Gets my vote.
> Are we locked in to Paradise Canyon? We put too much emphasis on meal
> preparation for the whole group. I'm with Charles, I would be happy with
> everyone bringing and preparing their own meals. The event fee should
> remain the same if no meals are served and the fee used to defer other
> expenses. An exception would be the grottos offering breakfast for a
> contribution, always welcome. Bored yet?
> Herr Fritz (Holt)
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>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon? The OTR used to be fun when it moved
> around. Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is
> incredibly boring after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and
> a few other cooked at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central
> Texas. Now it is stuck, dead in the water.
>
> OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people
>  who were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and
> there were about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but
> cook, but enough. Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the
> cob from the valley. Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod,
> chicken, turkey, hot links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad,
> salad salad, black beans, refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a
> million brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we
> once had quail, and the people gobbled it up.
>
> All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition
> has died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but
> the old cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins.
>
> Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I
> haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I
> pay for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize
> to those who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the
> wool food Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built
> fires and got after it.
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> Paradise Canyon
>> October 12-15, 2017
>>
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-10 Thread Fritz Holt via Texascavers 
Herr Charles and others, Achtung!
Paradise Canyon is a great venue, especially for an old fart and his precious 
June who both appreciate the convenience of a private cabin. However I do miss 
the after dark camaraderie of sitting around your and others camp fires before 
hitting the cot. My favorite venue of a few years ago was Fort Clark and 
Springs at Brackettville. A little far for a few in East Texas but better for 
West Texas and New Mexico. Great facilities, fabulous water and several of our 
favorite wild? caves in the general area. Gets my vote.
Are we locked in to Paradise Canyon? We put too much emphasis on meal 
preparation for the whole group. I'm with Charles, I would be happy with 
everyone bringing and preparing their own meals. The event fee should remain 
the same if no meals are served and the fee used to defer other expenses. An 
exception would be the grottos offering breakfast for a contribution, always 
welcome. Bored yet?
Herr Fritz (Holt)
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> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon? The OTR used to be fun when it moved 
> around. Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly 
> boring after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other 
> cooked at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it is 
> stuck, dead in the water.
> 
> OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people  who 
> were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and there 
> were about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but cook, but 
> enough. Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the cob from the 
> valley. Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod, chicken, 
> turkey, hot links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad, salad salad, 
> black beans, refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a million 
> brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we once had 
> quail, and the people gobbled it up. 
> 
> All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition has 
> died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but the old 
> cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins. 
> 
> Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I 
> haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I pay 
> for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize to 
> those who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the wool 
> food Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built fires and 
> got after it. 
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Paradise Canyon
>> October 12-15, 2017
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers 
OK I am pathetic as usual.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 8:51 PM, Nancy Weaver via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Not.  Just embarrassing and pathetic.
> Nancy
>
> On Feb 8, 2017, at 8:41 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> OK. At least we got an interesting dialogue going.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread Nancy Weaver via Texascavers 
Not.  Just embarrassing and pathetic.
Nancy
> On Feb 8, 2017, at 8:41 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK. At least we got an interesting dialogue going.

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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers 
OK. At least we got an interesting dialogue going. I am really and truly
ambivalent toward it all. I love the visiting and sneak in and out. I fail
to register most of the time but see my old caver friends. And to tell the
truth I am still on occasion going caving. I am too old to do that but what
the hell. OMW has to die in a cave accident. Maybe in Musquiz? As for
Bockbeer he deserves all the propaganda he can get. He is a jewell that
needs to be shined. If not for Bockbeer we'd have to pick on Karst Walker
or that lady from Muldoon.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:

> Not nasty really.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> I’ve found that TCR's biggest critics are NEVER step up and help. NEVER.
>> You got attitude because of your nasty criticisms. Touché.
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:33 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>> Don;
>> That was a nasty response. I am 75 and can't walk that well. I did my
>> duty and I do not like your and I will say this shitty attitude. I have
>> been to OTR and so what if it has a different name now. I call it OTR
>> because I am old and senile and will die soon. So you can keep doing what
>> you do and I will enjoy the comrades and forego the food.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
>>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon?
>>>
>>>
>>> Charles, get over it. Paradise Canyon agreed to a good price if we kept
>>> TCR there for the next 5 years. If no one hasn't noticed things are getting
>>> more expensive these days. If you can find a better price than what we are
>>> currently paying with as many amenities, showers, river, electricity,
>>> bathrooms, ice, picnic tables, porto-potties, nice green manicured camping,
>>> Lodges with baths and A/C. What are you griping about, we haven’t seen you
>>> there in some time anyway. Besides weren’t you happy there was LODGING with
>>> A/C there? I distinctly remember you asking about it.
>>>
>>> The OTR used to be fun when it moved around.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, this isn’t OTR.
>>>
>>> Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly
>>> boring after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other
>>> cooked at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it
>>> is stuck, dead in the water.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dead? Are you volunteering to honcho it up? I’d be happy to turn it over
>>> to you. Just say the word and it’s all yours.
>>>
>>> OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people
>>>  who were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and
>>> there were about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but
>>> cook, but enough. Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the
>>> cob from the valley. Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod,
>>> chicken, turkey, hot links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad,
>>> salad salad, black beans, refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a
>>> million brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we
>>> once had quail, and the people gobbled it up.
>>>
>>>
>>> Great! Since we lost our cook last year, it sounds like you would be the
>>> perfect head cook. Are you volunteering? That menu sounds awesome, go ahead
>>> and purchase the stuff and get me a reciept and I’ll put you down as head
>>> cook. HEY EVERBODY! IGOR IS OUR NEW HEAD COOK! WOOO!!
>>>
>>> All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That
>>> tradition has died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure
>>> why but the old cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the
>>> reins.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, seeing you haven't come to a -TCR- (Texas Cavers Reunion, been
>>> named that for only the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS) you have totally missed
>>> out on some fine cooking by the experts we have that ACTUALLY STEPPED UP
>>> and VOLUNTEERED. Stefan and Vico and the rest of the COOKS have done an
>>> awesome and thankless job for everybody. But of course your stepping up
>>> will easily surpass their cooking, no? We look forward to it!
>>>
>>> Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but
>>> I haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I
>>> pay for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize
>>> to those who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the
>>> wool food Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built
>>> fires and got after it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well that's just awesome, good for you. Sorry you’ll be disappointed for
>>> the next five years. Maybe you should just keep staying home.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at

Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers 
Not nasty really.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I’ve found that TCR's biggest critics are NEVER step up and help. NEVER.
> You got attitude because of your nasty criticisms. Touché.
>
> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:33 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> Don;
> That was a nasty response. I am 75 and can't walk that well. I did my duty
> and I do not like your and I will say this shitty attitude. I have been to
> OTR and so what if it has a different name now. I call it OTR because I am
> old and senile and will die soon. So you can keep doing what you do and I
> will enjoy the comrades and forego the food.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon?
>>
>>
>> Charles, get over it. Paradise Canyon agreed to a good price if we kept
>> TCR there for the next 5 years. If no one hasn't noticed things are getting
>> more expensive these days. If you can find a better price than what we are
>> currently paying with as many amenities, showers, river, electricity,
>> bathrooms, ice, picnic tables, porto-potties, nice green manicured camping,
>> Lodges with baths and A/C. What are you griping about, we haven’t seen you
>> there in some time anyway. Besides weren’t you happy there was LODGING with
>> A/C there? I distinctly remember you asking about it.
>>
>> The OTR used to be fun when it moved around.
>>
>>
>> Well, this isn’t OTR.
>>
>> Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly
>> boring after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other
>> cooked at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it
>> is stuck, dead in the water.
>>
>>
>> Dead? Are you volunteering to honcho it up? I’d be happy to turn it over
>> to you. Just say the word and it’s all yours.
>>
>> OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people
>>  who were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and
>> there were about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but
>> cook, but enough. Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the
>> cob from the valley. Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod,
>> chicken, turkey, hot links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad,
>> salad salad, black beans, refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a
>> million brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we
>> once had quail, and the people gobbled it up.
>>
>>
>> Great! Since we lost our cook last year, it sounds like you would be the
>> perfect head cook. Are you volunteering? That menu sounds awesome, go ahead
>> and purchase the stuff and get me a reciept and I’ll put you down as head
>> cook. HEY EVERBODY! IGOR IS OUR NEW HEAD COOK! WOOO!!
>>
>> All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition
>> has died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but
>> the old cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins.
>>
>>
>> Well, seeing you haven't come to a -TCR- (Texas Cavers Reunion, been
>> named that for only the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS) you have totally missed
>> out on some fine cooking by the experts we have that ACTUALLY STEPPED UP
>> and VOLUNTEERED. Stefan and Vico and the rest of the COOKS have done an
>> awesome and thankless job for everybody. But of course your stepping up
>> will easily surpass their cooking, no? We look forward to it!
>>
>> Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I
>> haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I
>> pay for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize
>> to those who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the
>> wool food Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built
>> fires and got after it.
>>
>>
>> Well that's just awesome, good for you. Sorry you’ll be disappointed for
>> the next five years. Maybe you should just keep staying home.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Paradise Canyon
>>> October 12-15, 2017
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread galenfalgout via Texascavers 


I've been to every TCR for the 8 years I have been caving and the food has been 
good. Thanks to all that have cooked!  Yes there will always be some dish 
someone does not like. And we have moved around but paradise is the best we 
have had in that time. I think yall are missing the point of TCR, IT DOES NOT 
MATTER WHERE IT IS HELD. It is about getting the community together so we can 
catch up on what's has been going on over the past year. We can do that in the 
middle of a cow patty. But at least Don has done a mighty fine job making sure 
we have water to swim in, showers, bathrooms or porta-johns, nice camp sites, 
ect. I'm personally tierd of everyone picking on each other. We are sopposed to 
be a FAMILY!   If you have a problem with someone or something, talk to that 
person privately.  It only makes you look like a ASSHOLE to publicly blast that 
person.That's just my two sense. 


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From: via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> 
Date: 2/8/17  6:49 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion 

Well said, Diana !  OMW gets his hackles up every now and again but it's not 
meant to be overly critical I don't think. Picks on poor Locklear too much, 
though.
Jerry.

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On Feb 8, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:


Actually, Charlie spent some time in the DFW Grotto camping area at last year’s 
TCR talking to Bill Steele and I.



Sometimes you have to let the grumpy old men have their say and be nice about 
it. As a woman, I’ve had to live by that mantra for a very long, long time.



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On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:31 PM, TSA Cavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:






On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:





Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon?






Charles, get over it. Paradise Canyon agreed to a good price if we kept TCR 
there for the next 5 years. If no one hasn't noticed things are getting more 
expensive these days. If you can find a better price than what we are currently 
paying with
 as many amenities, showers, river, electricity, bathrooms, ice, picnic tables, 
porto-potties, nice green manicured camping, Lodges with baths and A/C. What 
are you griping about, we haven’t seen you there in some time anyway. Besides 
weren’t you happy there
 was LODGING with A/C there? I distinctly remember you asking about it.





The OTR used to be fun when it moved around.





Well, this isn’t OTR.




Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly boring 
after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other cooked at 
Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it is stuck, dead
 in the water.





Dead? Are you volunteering to honcho it up? I’d be happy to turn it over to 
you. Just say the word and it’s all yours.




OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people  who 
were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and there were 
about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but cook, but enough. 
Enough was
 a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the cob from the valley. Fish from 
Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod, chicken, turkey, hot links from 
Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad, salad salad, black beans, refried 
beans, tortillas, pie, cake,
 cookies, a million brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of 
stuff, we once had quail, and the people gobbled it up. 





Great! Since we lost our cook last year, it sounds like you would be the 
perfect head cook. Are you volunteering? That menu sounds awesome, go ahead and 
purchase the stuff and get me a reciept and I’ll put you down as head cook. HEY 
EVERBODY! IGOR IS OUR NEW
 HEAD COOK! WOOO!!




All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition has 
died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but the old 
cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins. 





Well, seeing you haven't come to a -TCR- (Texas Cavers Reunion, been named that 
for only the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS) you have totally missed out on some fine 
cooking by the experts we have that ACTUALLY STEPPED UP and VOLUNTEERED. Stefan 
and
 Vico and the rest of the COOKS have done an awesome and thankless job for 
everybody. But of course your stepping up will easily surpass their cooking, 
no? We look forward to it!




Maybe there was a great lo

Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread via Texascavers 
I'm just glad folks have the energy and wherewithal to put it on each year. A 
lot of time and hassles without many accolades or tumultuous applause. It might 
be beneficial to put out a yearly update as to the logistics and operational 
maneuvering that happens. For instance, I didn't know that TCR had a five year 
continuing discount agreement with Paradise Canyon. Good acknowledgements of 
volunteer efforts are given each year, but Don doesn't give himself enough 
credit nor goes anyone else raise a rousing toast in his honor. That should be 
corrected in my opinion.

Jerry Atkinson.
jerryat...@aol.com


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On Feb 8, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Sheryl Rieck via Texascavers 
 wrote:

> It's the same tired song and dance every year. I have noticed a trend of the 
> complainers being the people who are the least involved. Every friggin' year. 
> I like Paradise Canyon but I go to TCR to see and visit with Cavers. 
> 
> Sheryl Rieck
> sheryl.ri...@gmail.com
> 
> "You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might 
> find you get what you need" Rolling Stones
> 
> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon?
>> 
>> Charles, get over it. Paradise Canyon agreed to a good price if we kept TCR 
>> there for the next 5 years. If no one hasn't noticed things are getting more 
>> expensive these days. If you can find a better price than what we are 
>> currently paying with as many amenities, showers, river, electricity, 
>> bathrooms, ice, picnic tables, porto-potties, nice green manicured camping, 
>> Lodges with baths and A/C. What are you griping about, we haven’t seen you 
>> there in some time anyway. Besides weren’t you happy there was LODGING with 
>> A/C there? I distinctly remember you asking about it.
>> 
>>> The OTR used to be fun when it moved around.
>> 
>> Well, this isn’t OTR.
>> 
>>> Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly boring 
>>> after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other cooked 
>>> at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it is 
>>> stuck, dead in the water.
>> 
>> Dead? Are you volunteering to honcho it up? I’d be happy to turn it over to 
>> you. Just say the word and it’s all yours.
>> 
>>> OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people  who 
>>> were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and there 
>>> were about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but cook, but 
>>> enough. Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the cob from 
>>> the valley. Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod, chicken, 
>>> turkey, hot links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad, salad 
>>> salad, black beans, refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a million 
>>> brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we once had 
>>> quail, and the people gobbled it up. 
>> 
>> Great! Since we lost our cook last year, it sounds like you would be the 
>> perfect head cook. Are you volunteering? That menu sounds awesome, go ahead 
>> and purchase the stuff and get me a reciept and I’ll put you down as head 
>> cook. HEY EVERBODY! IGOR IS OUR NEW HEAD COOK! WOOO!!
>> 
>>> All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition 
>>> has died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but 
>>> the old cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins. 
>> 
>> Well, seeing you haven't come to a -TCR- (Texas Cavers Reunion, been named 
>> that for only the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS) you have totally missed out on 
>> some fine cooking by the experts we have that ACTUALLY STEPPED UP and 
>> VOLUNTEERED. Stefan and Vico and the rest of the COOKS have done an awesome 
>> and thankless job for everybody. But of course your stepping up will easily 
>> surpass their cooking, no? We look forward to it!
>> 
>>> Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I 
>>> haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I 
>>> pay for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize 
>>> to those who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the 
>>> wool food Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built 
>>> fires and got after it.
>> 
>> Well that's just awesome, good for you. Sorry you’ll be disappointed for the 
>> next five years. Maybe you should just keep staying home.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Paradise Canyon
>>> October 12-15, 2017
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread Don Arburn via Texascavers 
In that case I apologize. I should respect my elders, even if they think I suck.


--Don




--Don
> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:33 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don;
> That was a nasty response. I am 75 and can't walk that well. I did my duty 
> and I do not like your and I will say this shitty attitude. I have been to 
> OTR and so what if it has a different name now. I call it OTR because I am 
> old and senile and will die soon. So you can keep doing what you do and I 
> will enjoy the comrades and forego the food. 
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread via Texascavers 
Well said, Diana !  OMW gets his hackles up every now and again but it's not 
meant to be overly critical I don't think. Picks on poor Locklear too much, 
though.

Jerry.

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On Feb 8, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
 wrote:

> Actually, Charlie spent some time in the DFW Grotto camping area at last 
> year’s TCR talking to Bill Steele and I.
> 
> Sometimes you have to let the grumpy old men have their say and be nice about 
> it. As a woman, I’ve had to live by that mantra for a very long, long time.
> 
> Diana
> 
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> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:31 PM, TSA Cavers  wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon?
> 
> Charles, get over it. Paradise Canyon agreed to a good price if we kept TCR 
> there for the next 5 years. If no one hasn't noticed things are getting more 
> expensive these days. If you can find a better price than what we are 
> currently paying with as many amenities, showers, river, electricity, 
> bathrooms, ice, picnic tables, porto-potties, nice green manicured camping, 
> Lodges with baths and A/C. What are you griping about, we haven’t seen you 
> there in some time anyway. Besides weren’t you happy there was LODGING with 
> A/C there? I distinctly remember you asking about it.
> 
>> The OTR used to be fun when it moved around.
> 
> Well, this isn’t OTR.
> 
>> Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly boring 
>> after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other cooked 
>> at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it is stuck, 
>> dead in the water.
> 
> Dead? Are you volunteering to honcho it up? I’d be happy to turn it over to 
> you. Just say the word and it’s all yours.
> 
>> OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people  who 
>> were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and there 
>> were about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but cook, but 
>> enough. Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the cob from 
>> the valley. Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod, chicken, 
>> turkey, hot links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad, salad salad, 
>> black beans, refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a million 
>> brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we once had 
>> quail, and the people gobbled it up. 
> 
> Great! Since we lost our cook last year, it sounds like you would be the 
> perfect head cook. Are you volunteering? That menu sounds awesome, go ahead 
> and purchase the stuff and get me a reciept and I’ll put you down as head 
> cook. HEY EVERBODY! IGOR IS OUR NEW HEAD COOK! WOOO!!
> 
>> All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition 
>> has died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but the 
>> old cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins. 
> 
> Well, seeing you haven't come to a -TCR- (Texas Cavers Reunion, been named 
> that for only the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS) you have totally missed out on 
> some fine cooking by the experts we have that ACTUALLY STEPPED UP and 
> VOLUNTEERED. Stefan and Vico and the rest of the COOKS have done an awesome 
> and thankless job for everybody. But of course your stepping up will easily 
> surpass their cooking, no? We look forward to it!
> 
>> Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I 
>> haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I pay 
>> for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize to 
>> those who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the 
>> wool food Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built fires 
>> and got after it.
> 
> Well that's just awesome, good for you. Sorry you’ll be disappointed for the 
> next five years. Maybe you should just keep staying home.
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Paradise Canyon
>> October 12-15, 2017
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread Sheryl Rieck via Texascavers 
It's the same tired song and dance every year. I have noticed a trend of the 
complainers being the people who are the least involved. Every friggin' year. I 
like Paradise Canyon but I go to TCR to see and visit with Cavers. 

Sheryl Rieck
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> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon?
> 
> Charles, get over it. Paradise Canyon agreed to a good price if we kept TCR 
> there for the next 5 years. If no one hasn't noticed things are getting more 
> expensive these days. If you can find a better price than what we are 
> currently paying with as many amenities, showers, river, electricity, 
> bathrooms, ice, picnic tables, porto-potties, nice green manicured camping, 
> Lodges with baths and A/C. What are you griping about, we haven’t seen you 
> there in some time anyway. Besides weren’t you happy there was LODGING with 
> A/C there? I distinctly remember you asking about it.
> 
>> The OTR used to be fun when it moved around.
> 
> Well, this isn’t OTR.
> 
>> Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly boring 
>> after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other cooked 
>> at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it is stuck, 
>> dead in the water.
> 
> Dead? Are you volunteering to honcho it up? I’d be happy to turn it over to 
> you. Just say the word and it’s all yours.
> 
>> OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people  who 
>> were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and there 
>> were about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but cook, but 
>> enough. Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the cob from 
>> the valley. Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod, chicken, 
>> turkey, hot links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad, salad salad, 
>> black beans, refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a million 
>> brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we once had 
>> quail, and the people gobbled it up. 
> 
> Great! Since we lost our cook last year, it sounds like you would be the 
> perfect head cook. Are you volunteering? That menu sounds awesome, go ahead 
> and purchase the stuff and get me a reciept and I’ll put you down as head 
> cook. HEY EVERBODY! IGOR IS OUR NEW HEAD COOK! WOOO!!
> 
>> All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition 
>> has died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but the 
>> old cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins. 
> 
> Well, seeing you haven't come to a -TCR- (Texas Cavers Reunion, been named 
> that for only the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS) you have totally missed out on 
> some fine cooking by the experts we have that ACTUALLY STEPPED UP and 
> VOLUNTEERED. Stefan and Vico and the rest of the COOKS have done an awesome 
> and thankless job for everybody. But of course your stepping up will easily 
> surpass their cooking, no? We look forward to it!
> 
>> Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I 
>> haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I pay 
>> for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize to 
>> those who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the 
>> wool food Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built fires 
>> and got after it.
> 
> Well that's just awesome, good for you. Sorry you’ll be disappointed for the 
> next five years. Maybe you should just keep staying home.
> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Paradise Canyon
>>> October 12-15, 2017
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread Don Arburn via Texascavers 
I’ve found that TCR's biggest critics are NEVER step up and help. NEVER. You 
got attitude because of your nasty criticisms. Touché.

> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:33 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don;
> That was a nasty response. I am 75 and can't walk that well. I did my duty 
> and I do not like your and I will say this shitty attitude. I have been to 
> OTR and so what if it has a different name now. I call it OTR because I am 
> old and senile and will die soon. So you can keep doing what you do and I 
> will enjoy the comrades and forego the food. 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
> > wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>> > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon?
> 
> Charles, get over it. Paradise Canyon agreed to a good price if we kept TCR 
> there for the next 5 years. If no one hasn't noticed things are getting more 
> expensive these days. If you can find a better price than what we are 
> currently paying with as many amenities, showers, river, electricity, 
> bathrooms, ice, picnic tables, porto-potties, nice green manicured camping, 
> Lodges with baths and A/C. What are you griping about, we haven’t seen you 
> there in some time anyway. Besides weren’t you happy there was LODGING with 
> A/C there? I distinctly remember you asking about it.
> 
>> The OTR used to be fun when it moved around.
> 
> Well, this isn’t OTR.
> 
>> Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly boring 
>> after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other cooked 
>> at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it is stuck, 
>> dead in the water.
> 
> Dead? Are you volunteering to honcho it up? I’d be happy to turn it over to 
> you. Just say the word and it’s all yours.
> 
>> OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people  who 
>> were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and there 
>> were about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but cook, but 
>> enough. Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the cob from 
>> the valley. Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod, chicken, 
>> turkey, hot links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad, salad salad, 
>> black beans, refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a million 
>> brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we once had 
>> quail, and the people gobbled it up. 
> 
> Great! Since we lost our cook last year, it sounds like you would be the 
> perfect head cook. Are you volunteering? That menu sounds awesome, go ahead 
> and purchase the stuff and get me a reciept and I’ll put you down as head 
> cook. HEY EVERBODY! IGOR IS OUR NEW HEAD COOK! WOOO!!
> 
>> All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition 
>> has died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but the 
>> old cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins. 
> 
> Well, seeing you haven't come to a -TCR- (Texas Cavers Reunion, been named 
> that for only the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS) you have totally missed out on 
> some fine cooking by the experts we have that ACTUALLY STEPPED UP and 
> VOLUNTEERED. Stefan and Vico and the rest of the COOKS have done an awesome 
> and thankless job for everybody. But of course your stepping up will easily 
> surpass their cooking, no? We look forward to it!
> 
>> Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I 
>> haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I pay 
>> for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize to 
>> those who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the 
>> wool food Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built fires 
>> and got after it.
> 
> Well that's just awesome, good for you. Sorry you’ll be disappointed for the 
> next five years. Maybe you should just keep staying home.
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>> > wrote:
>> Paradise Canyon
>> October 12-15, 2017
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
Actually, Charlie spent some time in the DFW Grotto camping area at last year’s 
TCR talking to Bill Steele and I.

Sometimes you have to let the grumpy old men have their say and be nice about 
it. As a woman, I’ve had to live by that mantra for a very long, long time.

Diana

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On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:31 PM, TSA Cavers 
> wrote:

On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
> wrote:

Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon?

Charles, get over it. Paradise Canyon agreed to a good price if we kept TCR 
there for the next 5 years. If no one hasn't noticed things are getting more 
expensive these days. If you can find a better price than what we are currently 
paying with as many amenities, showers, river, electricity, bathrooms, ice, 
picnic tables, porto-potties, nice green manicured camping, Lodges with baths 
and A/C. What are you griping about, we haven’t seen you there in some time 
anyway. Besides weren’t you happy there was LODGING with A/C there? I 
distinctly remember you asking about it.

The OTR used to be fun when it moved around.

Well, this isn’t OTR.

Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly boring 
after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other cooked at 
Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it is stuck, dead 
in the water.

Dead? Are you volunteering to honcho it up? I’d be happy to turn it over to 
you. Just say the word and it’s all yours.

OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people  who 
were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and there were 
about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but cook, but enough. 
Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the cob from the valley. 
Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod, chicken, turkey, hot 
links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad, salad salad, black beans, 
refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a million brownies, chicken, 
Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we once had quail, and the people 
gobbled it up.

Great! Since we lost our cook last year, it sounds like you would be the 
perfect head cook. Are you volunteering? That menu sounds awesome, go ahead and 
purchase the stuff and get me a reciept and I’ll put you down as head cook. HEY 
EVERBODY! IGOR IS OUR NEW HEAD COOK! WOOO!!

All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition has 
died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but the old 
cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins.

Well, seeing you haven't come to a -TCR- (Texas Cavers Reunion, been named that 
for only the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS) you have totally missed out on some fine 
cooking by the experts we have that ACTUALLY STEPPED UP and VOLUNTEERED. Stefan 
and Vico and the rest of the COOKS have done an awesome and thankless job for 
everybody. But of course your stepping up will easily surpass their cooking, 
no? We look forward to it!

Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I 
haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I pay 
for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize to those 
who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the wool food 
Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built fires and got 
after it.

Well that's just awesome, good for you. Sorry you’ll be disappointed for the 
next five years. Maybe you should just keep staying home.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
> wrote:
Paradise Canyon
October 12-15, 2017


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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers 
Don;
That was a nasty response. I am 75 and can't walk that well. I did my duty
and I do not like your and I will say this shitty attitude. I have been to
OTR and so what if it has a different name now. I call it OTR because I am
old and senile and will die soon. So you can keep doing what you do and I
will enjoy the comrades and forego the food.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>
> Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon?
>
>
> Charles, get over it. Paradise Canyon agreed to a good price if we kept
> TCR there for the next 5 years. If no one hasn't noticed things are getting
> more expensive these days. If you can find a better price than what we are
> currently paying with as many amenities, showers, river, electricity,
> bathrooms, ice, picnic tables, porto-potties, nice green manicured camping,
> Lodges with baths and A/C. What are you griping about, we haven’t seen you
> there in some time anyway. Besides weren’t you happy there was LODGING with
> A/C there? I distinctly remember you asking about it.
>
> The OTR used to be fun when it moved around.
>
>
> Well, this isn’t OTR.
>
> Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly
> boring after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other
> cooked at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it
> is stuck, dead in the water.
>
>
> Dead? Are you volunteering to honcho it up? I’d be happy to turn it over
> to you. Just say the word and it’s all yours.
>
> OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people
>  who were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and
> there were about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but
> cook, but enough. Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the
> cob from the valley. Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod,
> chicken, turkey, hot links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad,
> salad salad, black beans, refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a
> million brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we
> once had quail, and the people gobbled it up.
>
>
> Great! Since we lost our cook last year, it sounds like you would be the
> perfect head cook. Are you volunteering? That menu sounds awesome, go ahead
> and purchase the stuff and get me a reciept and I’ll put you down as head
> cook. HEY EVERBODY! IGOR IS OUR NEW HEAD COOK! WOOO!!
>
> All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition
> has died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but
> the old cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins.
>
>
> Well, seeing you haven't come to a -TCR- (Texas Cavers Reunion, been named
> that for only the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS) you have totally missed out on
> some fine cooking by the experts we have that ACTUALLY STEPPED UP and
> VOLUNTEERED. Stefan and Vico and the rest of the COOKS have done an awesome
> and thankless job for everybody. But of course your stepping up will easily
> surpass their cooking, no? We look forward to it!
>
> Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I
> haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I
> pay for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize
> to those who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the
> wool food Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built
> fires and got after it.
>
>
> Well that's just awesome, good for you. Sorry you’ll be disappointed for
> the next five years. Maybe you should just keep staying home.
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> Paradise Canyon
>> October 12-15, 2017
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread Don Arburn via Texascavers 
> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
> > wrote:

> 
> Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon?

Charles, get over it. Paradise Canyon agreed to a good price if we kept TCR 
there for the next 5 years. If no one hasn't noticed things are getting more 
expensive these days. If you can find a better price than what we are currently 
paying with as many amenities, showers, river, electricity, bathrooms, ice, 
picnic tables, porto-potties, nice green manicured camping, Lodges with baths 
and A/C. What are you griping about, we haven’t seen you there in some time 
anyway. Besides weren’t you happy there was LODGING with A/C there? I 
distinctly remember you asking about it.

> The OTR used to be fun when it moved around.

Well, this isn’t OTR.

> Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly boring 
> after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other cooked 
> at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it is stuck, 
> dead in the water.

Dead? Are you volunteering to honcho it up? I’d be happy to turn it over to 
you. Just say the word and it’s all yours.

> OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people  who 
> were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and there 
> were about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but cook, but 
> enough. Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the cob from the 
> valley. Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod, chicken, 
> turkey, hot links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad, salad salad, 
> black beans, refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a million 
> brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we once had 
> quail, and the people gobbled it up. 

Great! Since we lost our cook last year, it sounds like you would be the 
perfect head cook. Are you volunteering? That menu sounds awesome, go ahead and 
purchase the stuff and get me a reciept and I’ll put you down as head cook. HEY 
EVERBODY! IGOR IS OUR NEW HEAD COOK! WOOO!!

> All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition has 
> died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but the old 
> cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins. 

Well, seeing you haven't come to a -TCR- (Texas Cavers Reunion, been named that 
for only the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS) you have totally missed out on some fine 
cooking by the experts we have that ACTUALLY STEPPED UP and VOLUNTEERED. Stefan 
and Vico and the rest of the COOKS have done an awesome and thankless job for 
everybody. But of course your stepping up will easily surpass their cooking, 
no? We look forward to it!

> Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I 
> haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I pay 
> for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize to 
> those who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the wool 
> food Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built fires and 
> got after it.

Well that's just awesome, good for you. Sorry you’ll be disappointed for the 
next five years. Maybe you should just keep staying home.

> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
> > wrote:
> Paradise Canyon
> October 12-15, 2017


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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread Bruce Anderson via Texascavers 
Well said Charlie!!

 

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Loving via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 5:02 PM
To: Cavers Texas <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

 

Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon? The OTR used to be fun when it moved 
around. Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly 
boring after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other 
cooked at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it is 
stuck, dead in the water.

 

OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people  who 
were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and there were 
about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but cook, but enough. 
Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the cob from the valley. 
Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod, chicken, turkey, hot 
links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad, salad salad, black beans, 
refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a million brownies, chicken, 
Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we once had quail, and the people 
gobbled it up. 

 

All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition has 
died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but the old 
cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins. 

 

Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I 
haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I pay 
for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize to those 
who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the wool food 
Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built fires and got 
after it.

 

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > wrote:

Paradise Canyon
October 12-15, 2017


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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-08 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers 
Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon? The OTR used to be fun when it moved
around. Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is
incredibly boring after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and
a few other cooked at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central
Texas. Now it is stuck, dead in the water.

OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people  who
were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and there
were about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but cook, but
enough. Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the cob from
the valley. Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod, chicken,
turkey, hot links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad, salad
salad, black beans, refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a million
brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we once had
quail, and the people gobbled it up.

All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition
has died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but
the old cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins.

Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I
haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I
pay for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize
to those who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the
wool food Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built
fires and got after it.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Paradise Canyon
> October 12-15, 2017
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-07 Thread Don Arburn via Texascavers 
Not you.


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> On Feb 7, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
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> Who is going to cook?
> 
> Stefan Creaser
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-07 Thread Jon via Texascavers 
THATS GREAT.
Thanks for the early notice.
 

On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 3:43 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
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 Paradise Canyon
October 12-15, 2017


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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

2017-02-07 Thread Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
Who is going to cook?

Stefan Creaser
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Subject: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

Paradise Canyon
October 12-15, 2017


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