Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history
Space, Lost In: [Image result for lost in space robot] Okay Don, time to go looking in the back of the barn for some odd parts. From: Texascavers On Behalf Of Denise P Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 8:28 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history We will check on this. I am helping Jim this year, and it's a first for both of us. I seriously doubt anyone would be thrown out for not wearing a wrist band. This is the first I have heard of this. Cavers are known to be a flexible and tolerant group, and we will certainly work with anyone who has financial hardship. A few folks have asked, and the theme this year is SPACE. As in aliens, stars, planets, space ships, astronauts, NASA, Star Wars, etc. And in case you have not heard, TCR is Oct 18-21at Paradise Canyon, 2220 County Rd 2615, Rio Medina, TX 78066. Their phone number is 830-751-9911. TCR has a Facebook page, and you can email me or Jim directly with questions, suggestions, jokes, or praise. Volunteers are loved and appreciated. Do what you can, please. Look forward to seeing everyone there! Cheers, Denise Original message From: Diana Tomchick mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> Date: 8/29/18 1:09 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Cave Tex mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history Not to pile on too much onto this discussion, but I have a different yet related question. What are the insurance liabilities that Paradise Canyon and/or TCR may have if someone has an accident during the event, but didn't purchase a wristband and sign the liability waiver? Perhaps we simply need to require people to at minimum check-in and sign a liability waiver and let Paradise Canyon and the event organizers know that you are there. Let people that can't afford the registration decide to donate whatever amount of money they think is reasonable. I know of several people that have in the past paid for other people's registration fees for TCR and the TSA Convention. Don't let the fact that you don't have any money right now stop you from accepting help from your fellow cavers. We want to see you all there this year, if possible. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history
Space. Ah Hah... The Space Force will be created. Or are we taking about space, like moving about and getting rid of unwanted junk? On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 8:29 AM Denise P wrote: > We will check on this. I am helping Jim this year, and it's a first for > both of us. > > I seriously doubt anyone would be thrown out for not wearing a wrist band. > This is the first I have heard of this. Cavers are known to be a flexible > and tolerant group, and we will certainly work with anyone who has > financial hardship. > > A few folks have asked, and the theme this year is SPACE. As in aliens, > stars, planets, space ships, astronauts, NASA, Star Wars, etc. > > And in case you have not heard, TCR is Oct 18-21at Paradise Canyon, 2220 > County Rd 2615, Rio Medina, TX 78066. Their phone number is 830-751-9911. > TCR has a Facebook page, and you can email me or Jim directly with > questions, suggestions, jokes, or praise. > > Volunteers are loved and appreciated. Do what you can, please. Look > forward to seeing everyone there! > > Cheers, > Denise > > > Original message > From: Diana Tomchick > Date: 8/29/18 1:09 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Cave Tex > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history > > Not to pile on too much onto this discussion, but I have a different yet > related question. > > What are the insurance liabilities that Paradise Canyon and/or TCR may > have if someone has an accident during the event, but didn’t purchase a > wristband and sign the liability waiver? > > Perhaps we simply need to require people to at minimum check-in and sign a > liability waiver and let Paradise Canyon and the event organizers know that > you are there. Let people that can’t afford the registration decide to > donate whatever amount of money they think is reasonable. > > I know of several people that have in the past paid for other people’s > registration fees for TCR and the TSA Convention. Don’t let the fact that > you don’t have any money right now stop you from accepting help from your > fellow cavers. We want to see you all there this year, if possible. > > Diana > > ** > Diana R. Tomchick > Professor > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > Rm. ND10.214A > Dallas, TX 75390-8816 > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu > (214) 645-6383 (phone) > (214) 645-6353 (fax) > > > > > > UT Southwestern > > > Medical Center > > > > The future of medicine, today. > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history
We will check on this. I am helping Jim this year, and it's a first for both of us. I seriously doubt anyone would be thrown out for not wearing a wrist band. This is the first I have heard of this. Cavers are known to be a flexible and tolerant group, and we will certainly work with anyone who has financial hardship. A few folks have asked, and the theme this year is SPACE. As in aliens, stars, planets, space ships, astronauts, NASA, Star Wars, etc. And in case you have not heard, TCR is Oct 18-21at Paradise Canyon, 2220 County Rd 2615, Rio Medina, TX 78066. Their phone number is 830-751-9911. TCR has a Facebook page, and you can email me or Jim directly with questions, suggestions, jokes, or praise. Volunteers are loved and appreciated. Do what you can, please. Look forward to seeing everyone there! Cheers, Denise Original message From: Diana Tomchick Date: 8/29/18 1:09 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history Not to pile on too much onto this discussion, but I have a different yet related question. What are the insurance liabilities that Paradise Canyon and/or TCR may have if someone has an accident during the event, but didn’t purchase a wristband and sign the liability waiver? Perhaps we simply need to require people to at minimum check-in and sign a liability waiver and let Paradise Canyon and the event organizers know that you are there. Let people that can’t afford the registration decide to donate whatever amount of money they think is reasonable. I know of several people that have in the past paid for other people’s registration fees for TCR and the TSA Convention. Don’t let the fact that you don’t have any money right now stop you from accepting help from your fellow cavers. We want to see you all there this year, if possible. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history
All true. The first was at Luckenbach. I have the sign in sheet. And we cooked and camped on the island in the creek. It grew from a small crowd to I believe hundreds on the Blanco and at Reimer's. The Caver Cooks participated at 25 of the things. The rules were cook enough. I have one Caver Cook T-shirt with 20 cooks on it. Those were the ruleless days of old. And the days of the "Pig" and "Beef Clod" with a plethora of salads and a million brownies and my honey chicken. Also two garbage cans of corn on the cob. A great history of caver food. On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 7:00 PM Cathy Winfrey wrote: > Having spent many a late, cold Friday night accepting payments for TCR, > and having read carefully through the entire chain of emails, I'll add this. > > The TSA assumed much of the task of registration in order to increase TSA > memberships, (and, also, to increase funding for The Texas Caver, when > publishing and mailing expenses were reducing its weight and content). > The TSA, in my back-in-the-day experience, did not run or sponsor TCR. > The TSA, similar to the TCMA, were more akin to organizational guests. > Invited to attend, but not saddled with the running of things --- which, as > noted, largely ran themselves. > > I encourage all attending to participate with the financial > responsibilities. (We all use those porta-potties!) > I would discourage anyone, even --or especially-- a TSA member or officer, > from assuming the thankless task of policing wristbands. It will make you > unhappy, and tarnish the good spirit directed towards the TSA itself, > reducing its ability to carry on the many good projects for which TSA > provides continuing support. > > TCR is not an arm of the TCMA. > TCR is not an arm of the TSA. > TCR is not a TSA event, although a meeting is usually held Sunday morning. > > It IS a great, big, fun, caver-family reunion! > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 11:04 AM wrote: > >> During the time I ran TCR and when I helped Gil while he was running it I >> do not remember a single instance of anyone being "thrown out" of the TCR, >> ever. There were a number of cooks and cooks helpers who got comped in >> because they were workers on the event. They spent their time doing those >> things that make TCR run and not "hanging out" There were other prominent >> individuals who contributed in vast and underappreciated ways. We showed >> our gratitude to them in other ways. TCR always broke even so it was never >> about money. If we had folks who for what ever reason didnt "register" it >> wasnt really a big issue. We had plenty to do without worrying about >> that. We tried to have as few rules as possible. >> >> William Russell once remarked that one of the beautiful things about TCR >> was that it is the closest thing to a real working anarchy you can have. >> It more or less runs itself. People know what needs to be done and do it. >> Cavers are good about seeing something that needs doing and they do it with >> very little compunction. Just a little guidance is all. Gil was better >> at that than I was. His advice was "keep you hand lightly on the wheel" >> let it run itself. This generally works fairly well. We tried very hard >> to keep the event light hearted and fun. I have nothing but great >> compliments for the folks who have organized the event for the last few >> years because they have continued to come up with new things like the >> parade that embellish that tradition. >> >> I dont think that I can ever fully explain what TCR means to me. I get >> to see friends I have known more than 45 years. Some I see that once or >> twice a year. some I havent seen in decades.I get to see caver kids I >> watched grow up raising their own kids. Couple years ago one of those >> "kids" said "I bet you remember me when I was that little" I did. Caving >> is a team based adventure sport that thrives on camaraderie. TCR is a >> celebration of those friendships and the richness of the many years of >> memories. >> >> The cavers I grew up with were also very "non-status" oriented. That is >> hard to explain and I dont see it as strong these days but nobody tried to >> set up rules and make others follow them. Of course there was basic safety >> and competence. You had to get voted in by the grotto member to be a >> "regular" member. but then you could, check out ropes, lead trips ect >> >> Last year at TCR there was someone who was stalking around the cam being >> a "wristband nazi" who appointed them to that I dont know. They werent >> having a good time, unless hassling folks was their fun. I also know that >> Registration wasnt open a large part of the time. I know folks who had a >> difficult time finding somebody to give their money to. If people are >> willing to work at registration I say let them decide if they want to be >> there late Friday night /Sat morning, ect. If this is a issue then the >> organizers ( god rest their souls) should recruit a larger
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history
Having spent many a late, cold Friday night accepting payments for TCR, and having read carefully through the entire chain of emails, I'll add this. The TSA assumed much of the task of registration in order to increase TSA memberships, (and, also, to increase funding for The Texas Caver, when publishing and mailing expenses were reducing its weight and content). The TSA, in my back-in-the-day experience, did not run or sponsor TCR. The TSA, similar to the TCMA, were more akin to organizational guests. Invited to attend, but not saddled with the running of things --- which, as noted, largely ran themselves. I encourage all attending to participate with the financial responsibilities. (We all use those porta-potties!) I would discourage anyone, even --or especially-- a TSA member or officer, from assuming the thankless task of policing wristbands. It will make you unhappy, and tarnish the good spirit directed towards the TSA itself, reducing its ability to carry on the many good projects for which TSA provides continuing support. TCR is not an arm of the TCMA. TCR is not an arm of the TSA. TCR is not a TSA event, although a meeting is usually held Sunday morning. It IS a great, big, fun, caver-family reunion! On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 11:04 AM wrote: > During the time I ran TCR and when I helped Gil while he was running it I > do not remember a single instance of anyone being "thrown out" of the TCR, > ever. There were a number of cooks and cooks helpers who got comped in > because they were workers on the event. They spent their time doing those > things that make TCR run and not "hanging out" There were other prominent > individuals who contributed in vast and underappreciated ways. We showed > our gratitude to them in other ways. TCR always broke even so it was never > about money. If we had folks who for what ever reason didnt "register" it > wasnt really a big issue. We had plenty to do without worrying about > that. We tried to have as few rules as possible. > > William Russell once remarked that one of the beautiful things about TCR > was that it is the closest thing to a real working anarchy you can have. > It more or less runs itself. People know what needs to be done and do it. > Cavers are good about seeing something that needs doing and they do it with > very little compunction. Just a little guidance is all. Gil was better > at that than I was. His advice was "keep you hand lightly on the wheel" > let it run itself. This generally works fairly well. We tried very hard > to keep the event light hearted and fun. I have nothing but great > compliments for the folks who have organized the event for the last few > years because they have continued to come up with new things like the > parade that embellish that tradition. > > I dont think that I can ever fully explain what TCR means to me. I get to > see friends I have known more than 45 years. Some I see that once or twice > a year. some I havent seen in decades.I get to see caver kids I > watched grow up raising their own kids. Couple years ago one of those > "kids" said "I bet you remember me when I was that little" I did. Caving > is a team based adventure sport that thrives on camaraderie. TCR is a > celebration of those friendships and the richness of the many years of > memories. > > The cavers I grew up with were also very "non-status" oriented. That is > hard to explain and I dont see it as strong these days but nobody tried to > set up rules and make others follow them. Of course there was basic safety > and competence. You had to get voted in by the grotto member to be a > "regular" member. but then you could, check out ropes, lead trips ect > > Last year at TCR there was someone who was stalking around the cam being a > "wristband nazi" who appointed them to that I dont know. They werent > having a good time, unless hassling folks was their fun. I also know that > Registration wasnt open a large part of the time. I know folks who had a > difficult time finding somebody to give their money to. If people are > willing to work at registration I say let them decide if they want to be > there late Friday night /Sat morning, ect. If this is a issue then the > organizers ( god rest their souls) should recruit a larger group to do > this. It is one of the most onerous tasks of the event and anyone willing > to spend their time on it deserves some slack. > > TCR doesnt really run itself, there are hundreds of tasks that have to be > done. A lot of it happens before the event, the hidden part of the > iceberg. Everyone has ways the help out, some visible, some hidden. We > have created a unique cavers event word of which has spread all over the > country. Let us continue to strive to make it the most enjoyable fall > weekend you can ever have > Andy G Grubbs i > > > -- > *From: *"Nancy Weaver" > *To: *"texascavers" > *Sent: *Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:03:24 AM >
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history
Not to pile on too much onto this discussion, but I have a different yet related question. What are the insurance liabilities that Paradise Canyon and/or TCR may have if someone has an accident during the event, but didn’t purchase a wristband and sign the liability waiver? Perhaps we simply need to require people to at minimum check-in and sign a liability waiver and let Paradise Canyon and the event organizers know that you are there. Let people that can’t afford the registration decide to donate whatever amount of money they think is reasonable. I know of several people that have in the past paid for other people’s registration fees for TCR and the TSA Convention. Don’t let the fact that you don’t have any money right now stop you from accepting help from your fellow cavers. We want to see you all there this year, if possible. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history
I agree with Gill agreeing with Alan and Linda. Additionally, I have quite often given extra money at registration when I could to help offset for some who can’t afford it. I’m looking forward to TCR. I missed it last year because I was one of the exceptionally broke and couldn’t make it. It messes up my whole year when I miss because it’s the only time I can truly relax and be among people I thoroughly enjoy. If I don’t wear my wrist band, can I pick who throws me out? Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com "You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might find you get what you need" Rolling Stones > On Aug 29, 2018, at 9:03 AM, grub...@centurytel.net wrote: > > During the time I ran TCR and when I helped Gil while he was running it I do > not remember a single instance of anyone being "thrown out" of the TCR, > ever. There were a number of cooks and cooks helpers who got comped in > because they were workers on the event. They spent their time doing those > things that make TCR run and not "hanging out" There were other prominent > individuals who contributed in vast and underappreciated ways. We showed our > gratitude to them in other ways. TCR always broke even so it was never about > money. If we had folks who for what ever reason didnt "register" it wasnt > really a big issue. We had plenty to do without worrying about that. We > tried to have as few rules as possible. > > William Russell once remarked that one of the beautiful things about TCR was > that it is the closest thing to a real working anarchy you can have. It more > or less runs itself. People know what needs to be done and do it. Cavers > are good about seeing something that needs doing and they do it with very > little compunction. Just a little guidance is all. Gil was better at that > than I was. His advice was "keep you hand lightly on the wheel" let it run > itself. This generally works fairly well. We tried very hard to keep the > event light hearted and fun. I have nothing but great compliments for the > folks who have organized the event for the last few years because they have > continued to come up with new things like the parade that embellish that > tradition. > > I dont think that I can ever fully explain what TCR means to me. I get to > see friends I have known more than 45 years. Some I see that once or twice a > year. some I havent seen in decades.I get to see caver kids I watched > grow up raising their own kids. Couple years ago one of those "kids" said "I > bet you remember me when I was that little" I did. Caving is a team based > adventure sport that thrives on camaraderie. TCR is a celebration of those > friendships and the richness of the many years of memories. > > The cavers I grew up with were also very "non-status" oriented. That is hard > to explain and I dont see it as strong these days but nobody tried to set up > rules and make others follow them. Of course there was basic safety and > competence. You had to get voted in by the grotto member to be a "regular" > member. but then you could, check out ropes, lead trips ect > > Last year at TCR there was someone who was stalking around the cam being a > "wristband nazi" who appointed them to that I dont know. They werent having > a good time, unless hassling folks was their fun. I also know that > Registration wasnt open a large part of the time. I know folks who had a > difficult time finding somebody to give their money to. If people are > willing to work at registration I say let them decide if they want to be > there late Friday night /Sat morning, ect. If this is a issue then the > organizers ( god rest their souls) should recruit a larger group to do this. > It is one of the most onerous tasks of the event and anyone willing to spend > their time on it deserves some slack. > > TCR doesnt really run itself, there are hundreds of tasks that have to be > done. A lot of it happens before the event, the hidden part of the iceberg. > Everyone has ways the help out, some visible, some hidden. We have created > a unique cavers event word of which has spread all over the country. Let us > continue to strive to make it the most enjoyable fall weekend you can ever > have > Andy G Grubbs i > > > From: "Nancy Weaver" > To: "texascavers" > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:03:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers! > > boy how times change. I loved the really old days of lets throw a party, > pitch in where you can with money or help. thanks to the thoughtful previous > registrars who quietly made decisions based on something other than cash. > Nancy > > On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Michael Cicherski wrote: > > Well written! > > Having run Registration, by myself for a number of years, I can quietly > report that I have allowed more than a few to attend TCR who could not afford > it. Most of
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history
During the time I ran TCR and when I helped Gil while he was running it I do not remember a single instance of anyone being "thrown out" of the TCR, ever. There were a number of cooks and cooks helpers who got comped in because they were workers on the event. They spent their time doing those things that make TCR run and not "hanging out" There were other prominent individuals who contributed in vast and underappreciated ways. We showed our gratitude to them in other ways. TCR always broke even so it was never about money. If we had folks who for what ever reason didnt "register" it wasnt really a big issue. We had plenty to do without worrying about that. We tried to have as few rules as possible. William Russell once remarked that one of the beautiful things about TCR was that it is the closest thing to a real working anarchy you can have. It more or less runs itself. People know what needs to be done and do it. Cavers are good about seeing something that needs doing and they do it with very little compunction. Just a little guidance is all. Gil was better at that than I was. His advice was "keep you hand lightly on the wheel" let it run itself. This generally works fairly well. We tried very hard to keep the event light hearted and fun. I have nothing but great compliments for the folks who have organized the event for the last few years because they have continued to come up with new things like the parade that embellish that tradition. I dont think that I can ever fully explain what TCR means to me. I get to see friends I have known more than 45 years. Some I see that once or twice a year. some I havent seen in decades. I get to see caver kids I watched grow up raising their own kids. Couple years ago one of those "kids" said "I bet you remember me when I was that little" I did. Caving is a team based adventure sport that thrives on camaraderie. TCR is a celebration of those friendships and the richness of the many years of memories. The cavers I grew up with were also very "non-status" oriented. That is hard to explain and I dont see it as strong these days but nobody tried to set up rules and make others follow them. Of course there was basic safety and competence. You had to get voted in by the grotto member to be a "regular" member. but then you could, check out ropes, lead trips ect Last year at TCR there was someone who was stalking around the cam being a "wristband nazi" who appointed them to that I dont know. They werent having a good time, unless hassling folks was their fun. I also know that Registration wasnt open a large part of the time. I know folks who had a difficult time finding somebody to give their money to. If people are willing to work at registration I say let them decide if they want to be there late Friday night /Sat morning, ect. If this is a issue then the organizers ( god rest their souls) should recruit a larger group to do this. It is one of the most onerous tasks of the event and anyone willing to spend their time on it deserves some slack. TCR doesnt really run itself, there are hundreds of tasks that have to be done. A lot of it happens before the event, the hidden part of the iceberg. Everyone has ways the help out, some visible, some hidden. We have created a unique cavers event word of which has spread all over the country. Let us continue to strive to make it the most enjoyable fall weekend you can ever have Andy G Grubbs i From: "Nancy Weaver" To: "texascavers" Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:03:24 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers! boy how times change. I loved the really old days of lets throw a party, pitch in where you can with money or help. thanks to the thoughtful previous registrars who quietly made decisions based on something other than cash. Nancy On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Michael Cicherski < [ mailto:coastalca...@me.com | coastalca...@me.com ] > wrote: Well written! Having run Registration, by myself for a number of years, I can quietly report that I have allowed more than a few to attend TCR who could not afford it. Most of the time it was a quiet conversation with someone who had fallen on hard times and just needed a little bit of a break. I never made a big deal of it and never reported it on the books. Oh, there were the normal goofballs who complained about having to pay full amount, but I ignored them and after they ran out of hot air they paid the proper fees. Hope all is well, Michael On Aug 29, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Allan Cobb < [ mailto:a...@oztotl.com | a...@oztotl.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few years. I know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would have thrown people out for not registering. Is this what the community has devolved into? There are a few
