All true. The first was at Luckenbach. I have the sign in sheet. And we cooked and camped on the island in the creek. It grew from a small crowd to I believe hundreds on the Blanco and at Reimer's. The Caver Cooks participated at 25 of the things. The rules were cook enough. I have one Caver Cook T-shirt with 20 cooks on it. Those were the ruleless days of old. And the days of the "Pig" and "Beef Clod" with a plethora of salads and a million brownies and my honey chicken. Also two garbage cans of corn on the cob. A great history of caver food.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 7:00 PM Cathy Winfrey <cathywinfr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Having spent many a late, cold Friday night accepting payments for TCR, > and having read carefully through the entire chain of emails, I'll add this. > > The TSA assumed much of the task of registration in order to increase TSA > memberships, (and, also, to increase funding for The Texas Caver, when > publishing and mailing expenses were reducing its weight and content). > The TSA, in my back-in-the-day experience, did not run or sponsor TCR. > The TSA, similar to the TCMA, were more akin to organizational guests. > Invited to attend, but not saddled with the running of things --- which, as > noted, largely ran themselves. > > I encourage all attending to participate with the financial > responsibilities. (We all use those porta-potties!) > I would discourage anyone, even --or especially-- a TSA member or officer, > from assuming the thankless task of policing wristbands. It will make you > unhappy, and tarnish the good spirit directed towards the TSA itself, > reducing its ability to carry on the many good projects for which TSA > provides continuing support. > > TCR is not an arm of the TCMA. > TCR is not an arm of the TSA. > TCR is not a TSA event, although a meeting is usually held Sunday morning. > > It IS a great, big, fun, caver-family reunion! > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 11:04 AM <grub...@centurytel.net> wrote: > >> During the time I ran TCR and when I helped Gil while he was running it I >> do not remember a single instance of anyone being "thrown out" of the TCR, >> ever. There were a number of cooks and cooks helpers who got comped in >> because they were workers on the event. They spent their time doing those >> things that make TCR run and not "hanging out" There were other prominent >> individuals who contributed in vast and underappreciated ways. We showed >> our gratitude to them in other ways. TCR always broke even so it was never >> about money. If we had folks who for what ever reason didnt "register" it >> wasnt really a big issue. We had plenty to do without worrying about >> that. We tried to have as few rules as possible. >> >> William Russell once remarked that one of the beautiful things about TCR >> was that it is the closest thing to a real working anarchy you can have. >> It more or less runs itself. People know what needs to be done and do it. >> Cavers are good about seeing something that needs doing and they do it with >> very little compunction. Just a little guidance is all. Gil was better >> at that than I was. His advice was "keep you hand lightly on the wheel" >> let it run itself. This generally works fairly well. We tried very hard >> to keep the event light hearted and fun. I have nothing but great >> compliments for the folks who have organized the event for the last few >> years because they have continued to come up with new things like the >> parade that embellish that tradition. >> >> I dont think that I can ever fully explain what TCR means to me. I get >> to see friends I have known more than 45 years. Some I see that once or >> twice a year. some I havent seen in decades. I get to see caver kids I >> watched grow up raising their own kids. Couple years ago one of those >> "kids" said "I bet you remember me when I was that little" I did. Caving >> is a team based adventure sport that thrives on camaraderie. TCR is a >> celebration of those friendships and the richness of the many years of >> memories. >> >> The cavers I grew up with were also very "non-status" oriented. That is >> hard to explain and I dont see it as strong these days but nobody tried to >> set up rules and make others follow them. Of course there was basic safety >> and competence. You had to get voted in by the grotto member to be a >> "regular" member. but then you could, check out ropes, lead trips ect >> >> Last year at TCR there was someone who was stalking around the cam being >> a "wristband nazi" who appointed them to that I dont know. They werent >> having a good time, unless hassling folks was their fun. I also know that >> Registration wasnt open a large part of the time. I know folks who had a >> difficult time finding somebody to give their money to. If people are >> willing to work at registration I say let them decide if they want to be >> there late Friday night /Sat morning, ect. If this is a issue then the >> organizers ( god rest their souls) should recruit a larger group to do >> this. It is one of the most onerous tasks of the event and anyone willing >> to spend their time on it deserves some slack. >> >> TCR doesnt really run itself, there are hundreds of tasks that have to >> be done. A lot of it happens before the event, the hidden part of the >> iceberg. Everyone has ways the help out, some visible, some hidden. We >> have created a unique cavers event word of which has spread all over the >> country. Let us continue to strive to make it the most enjoyable fall >> weekend you can ever have >> Andy G Grubbs i >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Nancy Weaver" <nan...@prismnet.com> >> *To: *"texascavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:03:24 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers! >> >> boy how times change. I loved the really old days of lets throw a party, >> pitch in where you can with money or help. thanks to the thoughtful >> previous registrars who quietly made decisions based on something other >> than cash. >> Nancy >> >> On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Michael Cicherski <coastalca...@me.com> >> wrote: >> >> Well written! >> >> Having run Registration, by myself for a number of years, I can quietly >> report that I have allowed more than a few to attend TCR who could not >> afford it. Most of the time it was a quiet conversation with someone who >> had fallen on hard times and just needed a little bit of a break. >> >> I never made a big deal of it and never reported it on the books. >> >> Oh, there were the normal goofballs who complained about having to pay >> full amount, but I ignored them and after they ran out of hot air they paid >> the proper fees. >> >> Hope all is well, >> >> Michael >> >> On Aug 29, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Allan Cobb <a...@oztotl.com> wrote: >> >> I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without >> wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few >> years. I know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would >> have thrown people out for not registering. Is this what the community has >> devolved into? >> >> There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who >> pride themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see them, >> at TCR, I would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. These are >> the same people who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 fee on TSA >> projects. >> >> There are also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge >> financial burden due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of who >> those were. All they had to do was ask and I would comp them registration. >> I get it, I've had hard times too. Some of them were too proud to ask. I >> knew that too. I would have NEVER thrown those people out of TCR. They are >> part of the community. >> >> I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because >> they don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good point but the cost of the >> meal is only a small part of the registration fee. I've had people ask me >> to have a fee that doesn't include the meal. To them, I answered that the >> more complicated registration becomes that harder it is to get people to do >> it and the easier to make mistakes. >> >> That said, here's why you SHOULD register for TCR, TSA Conventions, etc. >> These events require money. We have to pay for the site, we pay for >> portapotties, we pay for many incidentals. If you are one of those people >> who think you are too good to pay or it is a game not to pay, you are >> basically stealing from other cavers. You are directly responsible for >> raising the price for all of the cavers who pay. They costs are fixed for >> many of these events. The cost is divided among those who attend and pay. >> If you don't pay, your portion of the cost, your portion of the cost is >> passed on to other cavers. If you choose not to pay, at least thank all the >> people who did pay for paying your share as well. >> >> "Throw people out" for not registering, bad idea. Shame them a bit, I'm >> fine with that. I am no longer running TCR so I don't really have any say >> in how it works. In the past, TCR has always been about bringing cavers >> together, the new cavers and us old cavers. TCR has been about friends >> getting together and hanging out. TCR has always been about seeing old >> friends and making new ones. However, if "throw them out" is the spirit of >> the "new" TCR, perhaps it is time to end this long running tradition. >> >> Allan Cobb >> >> Retired TCR Big Cheese and Caver Wrangler >> >> >> >> On 8/29/2018 6:23 AM, Charles Loving wrote: >> >> I wrote a nasty comment on the getting thown out for not having the >> proper identity band but didn't post it. >> Old Man Wisdom >> >> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM TSA Membership Chair < >> trog...@cavechat.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi all! >>> >>> We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the >>> waters churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration. I've got >>> a number of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to be filled. I'll >>> be there all shifts, but I need one other person to help me out with >>> paperwork and such for each shift. I also need an outgoing personality to >>> spend some time on Saturday wandering to each camp area to make sure >>> everyone has their wristband. >>> >>> I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year, you >>> will be kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon as you get to >>> camp (cash or check only this year!)! >>> I'll send out a separate email closer to the date with registration info >>> for those who won't be volunteering, so you know when registration will be >>> open- dependent on how many volunteers I can get! >>> >>> If you are interested in volunteering, let me know in a separate email >>> and I'll let you know the shifts I've got still available! My email is >>> trog...@cavechat.org >>> >>> >>> Also... we'll have cookies. You know, if you need some incentive to >>> help.. ;) >>> >>> Happy caving and even happier volunteering! >>> >>> -Heather Tucek >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Go find out!* >>> -Heather Tuček >>> TSA Membership Chair >>> NSS 59660 >>> (512) 773-1348 >>> members...@cavetexas.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> >> >> >> -- >> Charlie Loving >> >> >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >> Virus-free. www.avg.com >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.comtexascav...@texascavers.com >> | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > -- Charlie Loving
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