I agree with Gill agreeing with Alan and Linda. Additionally, I have quite often given extra money at registration when I could to help offset for some who can’t afford it.
I’m looking forward to TCR. I missed it last year because I was one of the exceptionally broke and couldn’t make it. It messes up my whole year when I miss because it’s the only time I can truly relax and be among people I thoroughly enjoy. If I don’t wear my wrist band, can I pick who throws me out? 😏 Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com "You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might find you get what you need" Rolling Stones > On Aug 29, 2018, at 9:03 AM, grub...@centurytel.net wrote: > > During the time I ran TCR and when I helped Gil while he was running it I do > not remember a single instance of anyone being "thrown out" of the TCR, > ever. There were a number of cooks and cooks helpers who got comped in > because they were workers on the event. They spent their time doing those > things that make TCR run and not "hanging out" There were other prominent > individuals who contributed in vast and underappreciated ways. We showed our > gratitude to them in other ways. TCR always broke even so it was never about > money. If we had folks who for what ever reason didnt "register" it wasnt > really a big issue. We had plenty to do without worrying about that. We > tried to have as few rules as possible. > > William Russell once remarked that one of the beautiful things about TCR was > that it is the closest thing to a real working anarchy you can have. It more > or less runs itself. People know what needs to be done and do it. Cavers > are good about seeing something that needs doing and they do it with very > little compunction. Just a little guidance is all. Gil was better at that > than I was. His advice was "keep you hand lightly on the wheel" let it run > itself. This generally works fairly well. We tried very hard to keep the > event light hearted and fun. I have nothing but great compliments for the > folks who have organized the event for the last few years because they have > continued to come up with new things like the parade that embellish that > tradition. > > I dont think that I can ever fully explain what TCR means to me. I get to > see friends I have known more than 45 years. Some I see that once or twice a > year. some I havent seen in decades. I get to see caver kids I watched > grow up raising their own kids. Couple years ago one of those "kids" said "I > bet you remember me when I was that little" I did. Caving is a team based > adventure sport that thrives on camaraderie. TCR is a celebration of those > friendships and the richness of the many years of memories. > > The cavers I grew up with were also very "non-status" oriented. That is hard > to explain and I dont see it as strong these days but nobody tried to set up > rules and make others follow them. Of course there was basic safety and > competence. You had to get voted in by the grotto member to be a "regular" > member. but then you could, check out ropes, lead trips ect > > Last year at TCR there was someone who was stalking around the cam being a > "wristband nazi" who appointed them to that I dont know. They werent having > a good time, unless hassling folks was their fun. I also know that > Registration wasnt open a large part of the time. I know folks who had a > difficult time finding somebody to give their money to. If people are > willing to work at registration I say let them decide if they want to be > there late Friday night /Sat morning, ect. If this is a issue then the > organizers ( god rest their souls) should recruit a larger group to do this. > It is one of the most onerous tasks of the event and anyone willing to spend > their time on it deserves some slack. > > TCR doesnt really run itself, there are hundreds of tasks that have to be > done. A lot of it happens before the event, the hidden part of the iceberg. > Everyone has ways the help out, some visible, some hidden. We have created > a unique cavers event word of which has spread all over the country. Let us > continue to strive to make it the most enjoyable fall weekend you can ever > have > Andy G Grubbs i > > > From: "Nancy Weaver" <nan...@prismnet.com> > To: "texascavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:03:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers! > > boy how times change. I loved the really old days of lets throw a party, > pitch in where you can with money or help. thanks to the thoughtful previous > registrars who quietly made decisions based on something other than cash. > Nancy > > On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Michael Cicherski <coastalca...@me.com> wrote: > > Well written! > > Having run Registration, by myself for a number of years, I can quietly > report that I have allowed more than a few to attend TCR who could not afford > it. Most of the time it was a quiet conversation with someone who had fallen > on hard times and just needed a little bit of a break. > > I never made a big deal of it and never reported it on the books. > > Oh, there were the normal goofballs who complained about having to pay full > amount, but I ignored them and after they ran out of hot air they paid the > proper fees. > > Hope all is well, > > Michael > > On Aug 29, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Allan Cobb <a...@oztotl.com> wrote: > > I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without > wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few years. > I know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would have > thrown people out for not registering. Is this what the community has > devolved into? > > There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who pride > themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see them, at TCR, > I would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. These are the same > people who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 fee on TSA projects. > > There are also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge > financial burden due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of who > those were. All they had to do was ask and I would comp them registration. I > get it, I've had hard times too. Some of them were too proud to ask. I knew > that too. I would have NEVER thrown those people out of TCR. They are part of > the community. > I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because they > don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good point but the cost of the meal > is only a small part of the registration fee. I've had people ask me to have > a fee that doesn't include the meal. To them, I answered that the more > complicated registration becomes that harder it is to get people to do it and > the easier to make mistakes. > > That said, here's why you SHOULD register for TCR, TSA Conventions, etc. > These events require money. We have to pay for the site, we pay for > portapotties, we pay for many incidentals. If you are one of those people who > think you are too good to pay or it is a game not to pay, you are basically > stealing from other cavers. You are directly responsible for raising the > price for all of the cavers who pay. They costs are fixed for many of these > events. The cost is divided among those who attend and pay. If you don't pay, > your portion of the cost, your portion of the cost is passed on to other > cavers. If you choose not to pay, at least thank all the people who did pay > for paying your share as well. > > "Throw people out" for not registering, bad idea. Shame them a bit, I'm fine > with that. I am no longer running TCR so I don't really have any say in how > it works. In the past, TCR has always been about bringing cavers together, > the new cavers and us old cavers. TCR has been about friends getting together > and hanging out. TCR has always been about seeing old friends and making new > ones. However, if "throw them out" is the spirit of the "new" TCR, perhaps it > is time to end this long running tradition. > Allan Cobb > Retired TCR Big Cheese and Caver Wrangler > > > On 8/29/2018 6:23 AM, Charles Loving wrote: > I wrote a nasty comment on the getting thown out for not having the proper > identity band but didn't post it. > Old Man Wisdom > >> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM TSA Membership Chair <trog...@cavechat.org> >> wrote: >> Hi all! >> >> We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the waters >> churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration. I've got a >> number of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to be filled. I'll be >> there all shifts, but I need one other person to help me out with paperwork >> and such for each shift. I also need an outgoing personality to spend some >> time on Saturday wandering to each camp area to make sure everyone has their >> wristband. >> >> I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year, you will >> be kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon as you get to camp >> (cash or check only this year!)! >> I'll send out a separate email closer to the date with registration info for >> those who won't be volunteering, so you know when registration will be open- >> dependent on how many volunteers I can get! >> >> If you are interested in volunteering, let me know in a separate email and >> I'll let you know the shifts I've got still available! My email is >> trog...@cavechat.org >> >> >> Also... we'll have cookies. You know, if you need some incentive to help.. ;) >> >> Happy caving and even happier volunteering! >> >> -Heather Tucek >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Go find out! >> -Heather Tuček >> TSA Membership Chair >> NSS 59660 >> (512) 773-1348 >> members...@cavetexas.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > -- > Charlie Loving > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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