[Therion] Therion/XTherion mailing list hijacking by Mapiah

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Dear list and specially Stacho and Martin,


With this last messages I believe it's fair to say that I might be hijacking 
Therion/XTherion list to talk about Mapiah.

If/when you believe this is a problem, please let me know and I will implement 
some alternative infrasctructure. I am not doing it already just because it 
might be beneficial to involved with Therion to follow Mapiah development but 
your take on this is authoritative. Please let me know if it's a problem.


Best regards,

Rodrigo
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Re: [Therion] xtherion - Multiple background sketches

[Bill Gee]

Hi Olly -

Thanks for the hints!  I was able to get several sketches combined in GIMP.  
Looking at the result, it is very obvious that much more work is required in 
the cave.  There is a huge hole in the middle which has no detail at all.  
There are missing walls in several places.

My plan now is to print the combined sketches on a piece of paper.  The next 
survey trip I will draw more on it.  That will then become the background in 
Therion.

The room is not so big as to be a problem in Therion.  It would probably fit in 
a bounding box 25 meters on a side.  That is a large scrap, but I think it 
should be no problem to draw.  The two entrances to the room are well-defined, 
so adding it to the map will be fairly easy.


Bill Gee


On Monday, June 21, 2021 6:24:28 PM CDT Olly Betts wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 04:31:45PM -0500, Bill Gee wrote:
> > Now I need to figure out how to set transparency on each layer.
> 
> Bring up the Gimp "Layers" dialog (shortcut key is Ctrl+L) and you can
> click on each layer and drag the "Opacity" slider to make them partly
> transparent.  Or you can change the mode on each layer to "Darken only"
> and the result will be the darkest part of any layer, which is probably
> what you're after (assuming your sketches are dark lines on a white
> background).
> 
> > I wonder if Bruce's faint memory about setting transparency with an
> > external editor worked because of using PNG format?  My own faint
> > memory is that xTherion uses different libraries to handle png and jpg
> > files.  Handling of transparency is probably a feature of the image
> > library rather than xTherion.
> 
> I don't think the standard JPEG format supports transparency.
> 
> Cheers,
> Olly
> 




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Re: [Therion] xtherion - Multiple background sketches

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

> 21. 6. 2021 v 23:31, Bill Gee :
> 
>  "Double-right-click" is probably not an accurate description.

I apologize myself for misunderstanding. For me to move an object in an 
application on computer screen is always click or double click, hold and drag 
that object. Sorry again.

When one uses xvi file which includes transparent rectangular grid and 
centerline with stations and splay shots and it is on top of stack of sketches 
and xvi files in scrap setup one may positioned correctly a sketch very easy, 
because stations are visible both on xvi layer and on sketch. Double click with 
right button on particular station on sketch, hold right button and drag mouse 
you may move sketch to correct position. 

Another possible way is to use windows with coordinates of lower bottom corner 
of an object and change them manually. Correct coordinates you may read in 
right lower corner of map editor window, where the coordinates of cursor are 
showed.

And if one uses morphed sketches from xvi, they should fit with all stations on 
that sketch. If one uses extra points splay shots should fit too.

Martin

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Re: [Therion] xtherion - Multiple background sketches

[Bruce Mutton]

>> Handling of transparency is probably a feature of the image 
>> library rather than xTherion.

>I don't think the standard JPEG format supports transparency.

Correct, jpg does not support transparency, so you must use png to have any 
hope of achieving a transparent background to an image.

Bruce

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Re: [Therion] xtherion - Multiple background sketches

[Olly Betts]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 04:31:45PM -0500, Bill Gee wrote:
> Now I need to figure out how to set transparency on each layer.

Bring up the Gimp "Layers" dialog (shortcut key is Ctrl+L) and you can
click on each layer and drag the "Opacity" slider to make them partly
transparent.  Or you can change the mode on each layer to "Darken only"
and the result will be the darkest part of any layer, which is probably
what you're after (assuming your sketches are dark lines on a white
background).

> I wonder if Bruce's faint memory about setting transparency with an
> external editor worked because of using PNG format?  My own faint
> memory is that xTherion uses different libraries to handle png and jpg
> files.  Handling of transparency is probably a feature of the image
> library rather than xTherion.

I don't think the standard JPEG format supports transparency.

Cheers,
Olly
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Re: [Therion] xtherion - Multiple background sketches

[Bill Gee]

I finally figured out how to move the background images ...  
"Double-right-click" is probably not an accurate description.  Every time I did 
a true double-click with the right (or alternate) mouse button, nothing 
happened.  The trick, which I discovered quite by accident, is that you must 
hold down the right mouse button on the second click.  Do a 
click,click-and-hold.  With that secret the background images can be moved 
around.  Getting them positioned correctly, though, is difficult without some 
transparency.

I have a simple photo editor (Gwenview) but it can only crop a rectangle.  It 
also cannot set transparency.  I think I will have to spend some time with 
Gimp.  I hauled it out this morning and figured out how to do a "lasso" 
selection.  It was actually fairly easy.  I figured out how to import multiple 
images, setting each one as a layer.  Now I need to figure out how to set 
transparency on each layer.

I wonder if Bruce's faint memory about setting transparency with an external 
editor worked because of using PNG format?  My own faint memory is that 
xTherion uses different libraries to handle png and jpg files.  Handling of 
transparency is probably a feature of the image library rather than xTherion.

Tarquin mentioned using invisible walls.  I have done that once when I mapped a 
shelter cave.  That cave (really more of an overhang) was 200 feet wide and 
about 20 feet deep.  I used an invisible wall to mark the cliff edge that was 
the outer part.  

For this purpose getting Therion to consider all of the room as "inside" would 
be a challenge.  I have had situation where joining two passages left a white 
triangle in the center because Therion did not think that was part of the cave. 
 I have also done line end-point joins.  Those  are a real pain to keep 
straight.  They work find when done.  In this case I will probably have to do 
some of those to get the room joined to the rest of the cave.

The more I look at the sketches, the more I think we need another trip to this 
room.  I think what I will try to do is merge all the existing sketches, then 
print them on a single piece of graph paper.  Back at the cave I will add more 
to that paper.  Scan it and use it for the background.


Bill Gee


On Monday, June 21, 2021 1:11:33 PM CDT Martin Sluka via Therion wrote:
> 
> > 21. 6. 2021 v 15:54, Bill Gee :
> > 
> > 1) Is there a way to drag/drop reposition a background image?
> 
> Doubleclick with right button
> 
> > 2) Is there a way to make images transparent?  I tried fiddling with the 
> > gamma slider but it did not do anything for transparency.
> 
> No
> 
> > 3) Is there a way to crop off arbitrary sections of a background image?  
> > Some of the sketch pages also have cross-sections, and those will seriously 
> > confuse things when trying to place objects.  I would like to crop them out.
> 
> You should do it in external photo editor but in xTherion you may easy switch 
> order of background images.
> 
> > 4) Is this something that I need to do in an external image editor like 
> > Gimp?  I have not used Gimp in several years.  The learning curve is 
> > daunting.  
> 
> Try any simple photo editor - most of them are able to crop a part of image.
> 
> Adobe Spark https://www.adobe.com/express/
> https://www.nchsoftware.com/photoeditor/index.html 
> 
> and many more.
> 
> As a tip: compile with sketch included as .xvi may help you much. 
> 
> Martin
> 
> thconfig:
> 
> source ./th2_pro_xvi/colibri_2_xvi.th
> 
> #sketch-warp plaquette
>   
> layout morf
>   sketches on 
> endlayout 
> 
> export map -o ./output_xvi/4115-4116-4117.xvi -layout morf
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




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Re: [Therion] xtherion - Multiple background sketches

[Bruce Mutton]

> 2) Is there a way to make images transparent?

Have half a memory that I made the background transparent in a png 'background 
image' (using an external editor), and XTherion honoured the transparency.  Or 
am I making that up?
Bruce
 


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Re: [Therion] xtherion - Multiple background sketches

[Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion]

> Doing a join on room sketches like this is probably not possible.

Well, it is. But it will be a bit of work. You draw scraps with
invisible walls (or any other line with -outline out) as their edges
where there is no real wall. Personally, I would use a border with
"-outline out -visibility off" to draw the boundaries between scraps.

Then use line joins to join each and every set of points to the related
points in the other scraps. I personally use "point crystal" on each
line point to work out where they end up, and move the crystals to make
the lines match fairly closely, then snap the line points to the crystal
locations so that when the "join" gets used, it lines up nicely with
minimal warping. Now the crystals can be deleted again.

This allows you to solve this issue in all cases, including a survey
that has to halt in the middle of a mega chamber due to lack of time, or
because a survey tool runs out of battery. It even works in cases where
your sketches are drawn in different scales (such as with old style
paper surveys).

I attached an example, showing a chamber with multiple scraps extending
into it. Each green spot is a linepoint which gets used in the "join"
for all scrap edge lines that it touches. This approach works well only
if each scrap will get a similar background colour, so perhaps not
useful for "colour by scrap".

The "join" command for a pair of lines looks like this:
join one_line_id:1 another_line_id:3 -smooth off

Hope I am not teaching my grandmother to suck eggs...

(The main difference between using "wall" lines and "border" or any
other lines, is that "wall" lines get used when performing scrap "join"
commands, and the others do not. As long as you are using line joins
instead of scrap joins, it won't matter which line types you use.)

Hope this helps.

Tarquin
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[Therion] xtherion - Multiple background sketches

[Bill Gee]

A week ago we had two teams of surveyors working in some very tight side areas 
of a cave.  In the end we discovered that it was all one room.  We came away 
with at least five pages of sketch depicting various areas of the room.  It is 
probably not complete ...

Doing a join on room sketches like this is probably not possible.  Some of the 
sketches don't have any wall, and for two of them the wall is only along one 
side.  I think I need to some up with some way to do the whole room in one 
scrap.

In this case the sketches are all the same scale (1 inch to ten feet), and I 
rotated the scans so that north is the same direction on all of them.

In xtherion I see that multiple background images can be brought in to a single 
th2 file.  I tried it and did not immediately see what I want.  So my questions 
to the group ...

1) Is there a way to drag/drop reposition a background image?

2) Is there a way to make images transparent?  I tried fiddling with the gamma 
slider but it did not do anything for transparency.

3) Is there a way to crop off arbitrary sections of a background image?  Some 
of the sketch pages also have cross-sections, and those will seriously confuse 
things when trying to place objects.  I would like to crop them out.

4) Is this something that I need to do in an external image editor like Gimp?  
I have not used Gimp in several years.  The learning curve is daunting.  

Thanks!

Bill Gee




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Re: [Therion] XTherion background image control and bitmap file size question

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

What Therion does is georeferencing images according coordinates of stations 
and points extra.

Martin

> 13. 5. 2021 v 10:33, Bruce Mutton :
> 
> So XTherion can scale, rotate and morph images.

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Re: [Therion] XTherion background image control and bitmap file size question

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

It works in cases the sketches are not in scale too. I use it from time to 
time. Points “extra” may help too. Check Thbook - samples at the end. 

Martin

Odesláno z iPhonu

13. 5. 2021 v 10:33, Bruce Mutton :

> > Have you tried export of background sketches from therion as .xvi?
> > Martin
>  
> You mean like this? https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_th2_therion
> 
> Although I put together that wiki page, I had forgotten this possibility, 
> don’t think I have ever done it with sketches turned on.  I think this is 
> what you were referring to Alistair?
> So XTherion can scale, rotate and morph images.  It is just an indirect 
> process.
> Hopefully I will remember it for next time it comes up.
> 
> Thanks
> Bruce
>  
> 
> 12. 5. 2021 v 22:36, Bruce Mutton :
> 
> Thanks for your replies Paul, Alastair and Axel,
> I was hoping to draw out discussion on basic image manipulation functions in 
> XTherion and maybe to inspire someone to work on developing those.  Maybe I 
> have been successful but it is far too soon to tell.
>  
> Paul, yes, scale and rotation control both for XTherion background images and 
> exported map-images would be great.
>  
> Alistair, Paul, my reason for wanting similar sized (scales) images in my th2 
> file was not so much to join them for the purposes of contiguous scrap 
> drawing, but to avoid the need to zoom in or out when moving from one scrap 
> to another.  It also allows copying (with a text editor) drawing objects, 
> then using Xtherion to move one of them from one scrap to another – useful 
> for coincident lines on adjacent scrap boundaries and other things. Most of 
> the time I avoid joining up background images, as for me Therion’s superpower 
> is allowing the user to work on small easily manageable bits of information, 
> then joining them up at compilation time.
>  
> Axel.  Yes, the Inkscape Plugin.  I was excited about this when Thomas first 
> posted it.  I managed to parse a th2 file to InkScape, but then I was so lost 
> that I got no further.  Could not parse the th2 file back out to Therion, so 
> I gave up at that point.  I recognise the potential, but I am lacking 
> knowledge and experience in the basics of image manipulation software.  Maybe 
> one day I will learn how to use Inkscape, Illustrator, GIMP, CoralDraw etc…
>  
> I managed to enlarge my png image 3.5 x while reducing it from 600 kB to 500 
> kB using more or less default export settings in GIMP), so my miserly 
> tendencies are satiated for now.
> I am working on my next question now…
>  
> Bruce
>  
> From: Therion  On Behalf Of Bruce Mutton
> Sent: Friday, 7 May 2021 08:14
> To: 'List for Therion users' 
> Subject: [Therion] XTherion background image control and bitmap file size 
> question
>  
> Mōrena
> I am wondering if XTherion can scale background images, or if anyone has 
> hints on scanned image settings that generate a larger background image, that 
> is economical on bytes?
>  
> Back story:
> I created a multi-level survey (shaft system in cave) with PocketTopo, rather 
> than creating many small survey files to keep each level separate.
> At home I printed the PocketTopo bitmap, then sketched over three of the four 
> main levels that I now want to draw with Therion.
> Then I created an xvi with TopParser (I chose my usual export settings, and 
> of course maybe I could have chosen better settings).
>  
> You can see the xvi and some drawing directly on that xvi in the image below.
> You can also see the three 100 dpi png background images that I imported into 
> XTherion.
> The three images are much smaller than the xvi and while it so happens the 
> zoom range is such in XTherion that I could easily draw my scraps over them, 
> I would like all four scrap background to be a similar size.  It just makes 
> life easier into the future that way.
> I am a novice when it comes to bitmap manipulation, but I managed to use GIMP 
> to scale up one of the images about 3.5 times.  You can also see that in the 
> image below.  It is about the same size as the xvi which is what I am after
>  
> My frustration is that the original png images are all about 600 kB and the 
> enlarged image is about 3000 kB.  I am a miser and I would like to minimise 
> bloat in my project repository.
>  
> Can we scale the image in XTherion, using the original smaller file as the 
> permanent source?
> Or are there tricks to enlarging the png image while maintaining a modest 
> file size?
> I am aware that jpg will likely compress to fewer bytes, and will try that 
> unless it becomes too blurry.
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> It looks like XTherion th2 file header has some unused controls. I could not 
> fin

[Therion] XTherion background image control and bitmap file size question

[Bruce Mutton]

> Have you tried export of background sketches from therion as .xvi?

> Martin

 

You mean like this? https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_th2_therion 

Although I put together that wiki page, I had forgotten this possibility, don’t 
think I have ever done it with sketches turned on.  I think this is what you 
were referring to Alistair?

So XTherion can scale, rotate and morph images.  It is just an indirect process.

Hopefully I will remember it for next time it comes up.

Thanks

Bruce

 

12. 5. 2021 v 22:36, Bruce Mutton mailto:br...@tomo.co.nz> >:

Thanks for your replies Paul, Alastair and Axel,

I was hoping to draw out discussion on basic image manipulation functions in 
XTherion and maybe to inspire someone to work on developing those.  Maybe I 
have been successful but it is far too soon to tell.

 

Paul, yes, scale and rotation control both for XTherion background images and 
exported map-images would be great.

 

Alistair, Paul, my reason for wanting similar sized (scales) images in my th2 
file was not so much to join them for the purposes of contiguous scrap drawing, 
but to avoid the need to zoom in or out when moving from one scrap to another.  
It also allows copying (with a text editor) drawing objects, then using 
Xtherion to move one of them from one scrap to another – useful for coincident 
lines on adjacent scrap boundaries and other things. Most of the time I avoid 
joining up background images, as for me Therion’s superpower is allowing the 
user to work on small easily manageable bits of information, then joining them 
up at compilation time.

 

Axel.  Yes, the Inkscape Plugin.  I was excited about this when Thomas first 
posted it.  I managed to parse a th2 file to InkScape, but then I was so lost 
that I got no further.  Could not parse the th2 file back out to Therion, so I 
gave up at that point.  I recognise the potential, but I am lacking knowledge 
and experience in the basics of image manipulation software.  Maybe one day I 
will learn how to use Inkscape, Illustrator, GIMP, CoralDraw etc…

 

I managed to enlarge my png image 3.5 x while reducing it from 600 kB to 500 kB 
using more or less default export settings in GIMP), so my miserly tendencies 
are satiated for now.

I am working on my next question now…

 

Bruce

 

From: Therion mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk> > 
On Behalf Of Bruce Mutton
Sent: Friday, 7 May 2021 08:14
To: 'List for Therion users' mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >
Subject: [Therion] XTherion background image control and bitmap file size 
question

 

Mōrena

I am wondering if XTherion can scale background images, or if anyone has hints 
on scanned image settings that generate a larger background image, that is 
economical on bytes?

 

Back story:

I created a multi-level survey (shaft system in cave) with PocketTopo, rather 
than creating many small survey files to keep each level separate.

At home I printed the PocketTopo bitmap, then sketched over three of the four 
main levels that I now want to draw with Therion.

Then I created an xvi with TopParser (I chose my usual export settings, and of 
course maybe I could have chosen better settings).

 

You can see the xvi and some drawing directly on that xvi in the image below.

You can also see the three 100 dpi png background images that I imported into 
XTherion.

The three images are much smaller than the xvi and while it so happens the zoom 
range is such in XTherion that I could easily draw my scraps over them, I would 
like all four scrap background to be a similar size.  It just makes life easier 
into the future that way.

I am a novice when it comes to bitmap manipulation, but I managed to use GIMP 
to scale up one of the images about 3.5 times.  You can also see that in the 
image below.  It is about the same size as the xvi which is what I am after 

 

My frustration is that the original png images are all about 600 kB and the 
enlarged image is about 3000 kB.  I am a miser and I would like to minimise 
bloat in my project repository.

 

Can we scale the image in XTherion, using the original smaller file as the 
permanent source?

Or are there tricks to enlarging the png image while maintaining a modest file 
size?

I am aware that jpg will likely compress to fewer bytes, and will try that 
unless it becomes too blurry.

 

 





 

It looks like XTherion th2 file header has some unused controls. I could not 
find any documentation on this, so I have deduced the format as follows…

 

##XTHERION## xth_me_image_insert {x coord visibility[0=off, 1=on] gamma} {y 
coord {}} filename and path  {< 
unknown empty variable >}

 

Maybe there is scope for scaling and rotation of images by XTherion in here? !!

 

Sample of th2 file header

 

##XTHERION## xth_me_image_insert {1386.441811022 1 1.0} {844.524488189 
7.14} ptopo/7-Laghu_p.xvi 0 {}

##XTHERION## xth_me_image_insert {1893.842519685 1 1.0} {1306.5748031498001 
7.19} ptopo/

Re: [Therion] XTherion background image control and bitmap file size question

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

Have you tried export of background sketches from therion as .xvi?

Martin

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12. 5. 2021 v 22:36, Bruce Mutton :

> Thanks for your replies Paul, Alastair and Axel,
> I was hoping to draw out discussion on basic image manipulation functions in 
> XTherion and maybe to inspire someone to work on developing those.  Maybe I 
> have been successful but it is far too soon to tell.
>  
> Paul, yes, scale and rotation control both for XTherion background images and 
> exported map-images would be great.
>  
> Alistair, Paul, my reason for wanting similar sized (scales) images in my th2 
> file was not so much to join them for the purposes of contiguous scrap 
> drawing, but to avoid the need to zoom in or out when moving from one scrap 
> to another.  It also allows copying (with a text editor) drawing objects, 
> then using Xtherion to move one of them from one scrap to another – useful 
> for coincident lines on adjacent scrap boundaries and other things. Most of 
> the time I avoid joining up background images, as for me Therion’s superpower 
> is allowing the user to work on small easily manageable bits of information, 
> then joining them up at compilation time.
>  
> Axel.  Yes, the Inkscape Plugin.  I was excited about this when Thomas first 
> posted it.  I managed to parse a th2 file to InkScape, but then I was so lost 
> that I got no further.  Could not parse the th2 file back out to Therion, so 
> I gave up at that point.  I recognise the potential, but I am lacking 
> knowledge and experience in the basics of image manipulation software.  Maybe 
> one day I will learn how to use Inkscape, Illustrator, GIMP, CoralDraw etc…
>  
> I managed to enlarge my png image 3.5 x while reducing it from 600 kB to 500 
> kB using more or less default export settings in GIMP), so my miserly 
> tendencies are satiated for now.
> I am working on my next question now…
>  
> Bruce
>  
> From: Therion  On Behalf Of Bruce Mutton
> Sent: Friday, 7 May 2021 08:14
> To: 'List for Therion users' 
> Subject: [Therion] XTherion background image control and bitmap file size 
> question
>  
> Mōrena
> I am wondering if XTherion can scale background images, or if anyone has 
> hints on scanned image settings that generate a larger background image, that 
> is economical on bytes?
>  
> Back story:
> I created a multi-level survey (shaft system in cave) with PocketTopo, rather 
> than creating many small survey files to keep each level separate.
> At home I printed the PocketTopo bitmap, then sketched over three of the four 
> main levels that I now want to draw with Therion.
> Then I created an xvi with TopParser (I chose my usual export settings, and 
> of course maybe I could have chosen better settings).
>  
> You can see the xvi and some drawing directly on that xvi in the image below.
> You can also see the three 100 dpi png background images that I imported into 
> XTherion.
> The three images are much smaller than the xvi and while it so happens the 
> zoom range is such in XTherion that I could easily draw my scraps over them, 
> I would like all four scrap background to be a similar size.  It just makes 
> life easier into the future that way.
> I am a novice when it comes to bitmap manipulation, but I managed to use GIMP 
> to scale up one of the images about 3.5 times.  You can also see that in the 
> image below.  It is about the same size as the xvi which is what I am after
>  
> My frustration is that the original png images are all about 600 kB and the 
> enlarged image is about 3000 kB.  I am a miser and I would like to minimise 
> bloat in my project repository.
>  
> Can we scale the image in XTherion, using the original smaller file as the 
> permanent source?
> Or are there tricks to enlarging the png image while maintaining a modest 
> file size?
> I am aware that jpg will likely compress to fewer bytes, and will try that 
> unless it becomes too blurry.
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> It looks like XTherion th2 file header has some unused controls. I could not 
> find any documentation on this, so I have deduced the format as follows…
>  
> ##XTHERION## xth_me_image_insert {x coord visibility[0=off, 1=on] gamma} {y 
> coord {}} filename and path  {< 
> unknown empty variable >}
>  
> Maybe there is scope for scaling and rotation of images by XTherion in here? 
> !!
>  
> Sample of th2 file header
>  
> ##XTHERION## xth_me_image_insert {1386.441811022 1 1.0} 
> {844.524488189 7.14} ptopo/7-Laghu_p.xvi 0 {}
> ##XTHERION## xth_me_image_insert {1893.842519685 1 1.0} {1306.5748031498001 
> 7.19} ptopo/9-Laghu_p.xvi 0 {}
> ##XTHERION## xth_me_image_insert {1278.0 1 1.0} {585.8818897638002 {}} 
> ptopo/7-LaghuPLAN-

Re: [Therion] xTherion translation: what does "MRR" means?

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

2018-03-01 23:32 GMT-03:00 Martin Sluka via Therion :

> But blood alcohol concentration is critical factor to use xtherion! ;)
>

Yes, it sure is :)


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Re: [Therion] xTherion translation: what does "MRR" means?

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

But blood alcohol concentration is critical factor to use xtherion! ;)

Martin S. 

Odesláno z iPhonu

1. 3. 2018 v 21:15, Olly Betts via Therion :

>> On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 09:13:41AM -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
>> What does "MRR" means? It's a text to be translated in xTherion.
> 
> It's used in the blood alcohol calculator which xtherion slightly oddly
> includes (see the "Help" menu).
> 
> It's something like the rate at which alcohol decreases in the
> bloodstream.  It's probably not critical to translate it.
> 
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Re: [Therion] xTherion translation: what does "MRR" means?

[Olly Betts via Therion]

On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 09:13:41AM -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> What does "MRR" means? It's a text to be translated in xTherion.

It's used in the blood alcohol calculator which xtherion slightly oddly
includes (see the "Help" menu).

It's something like the rate at which alcohol decreases in the
bloodstream.  It's probably not critical to translate it.

Cheers,
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Re: [Therion] xTherion translation: what does "MRR" means?

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

2018-03-01 17:15 GMT-03:00 Olly Betts :

> On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 09:13:41AM -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> > What does "MRR" means? It's a text to be translated in xTherion.
>
> It's used in the blood alcohol calculator which xtherion slightly oddly
> includes (see the "Help" menu).
>
> It's something like the rate at which alcohol decreases in the
> bloodstream.  It's probably not critical to translate it.
>

Oh yeah. I have forgotten about it.


Thanks,

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[Therion] xTherion translation: what does "MRR" means?

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Hi,


What does "MRR" means? It's a text to be translated in xTherion.


Regards,

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Re: [Therion] Xtherion error when importing JPG in Windows

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Yeah,


I think it's exactly the same issue Bruce.


Thanks for the heads up,

Rodrigo

Em 26 de mar de 2017 16:21, "Bruce Mutton via Therion" <therion@speleo.sk>
escreveu:

> Looks like similar prolems came up in 2011 and 2014
> https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=progressive=therion%40speleo.sk
>
> Bruce
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Rodrigo
> Severo via Therion
> Sent: Monday, 27 March 2017 1:25 AM
> To: List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
> Cc: Rodrigo Severo <rodr...@fabricadeideias.com>
> Subject: Re: [Therion] Xtherion error when importing JPG in Windows
>
> 2017-03-25 14:38 GMT-03:00 Xavier Pennec via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
> >
> > This is due to the jpeg version of the image.  It happened to me when I
> generated the image with GIMP.
> > But editing and saving the image with the windows 7 image visualization
> tool solved the problem.
> > I have not tried with windows 10 yet.
>
> Xavier,
>
>
> You are right, saving the JPG file with Windows file viewer makes the JPG
> file compatible with Windows XTherion.
>
> The problem is with the use of the "Progressive" JPEG option in GIMP.
> Even in GIMP, if you save the JPEG file without the "Progressive"
> option, the JPEG file became readable by Windows XTherion.
>
> But the error message is really cryptic:
>
> invalid name command "ÿØÿà
>
> Who would think this is about an unsupported option when saving the JPEG
> file ;)
>
>
> Thanks for your input,
>
> Rodrigo
>
> >
> > Xavier
> >
> > Le 25-Mar-17 à 16:44, Rodrigo Severo via Therion a écrit :
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > Several users got the error on the image attached when trying to import
> a JPG image on XTherion on Windows. One single user succeded importing a
> JPG image on XTherion on Windows.
> >
> > These XTherions were able to import a PNG image.
> >
> > They were all using Therion for Windows available at
> > https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-setup-dev.exe
> >
> > How can they import JPG images?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rodrigo Severo
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Re: [Therion] Xtherion error when importing JPG in Windows

[Bruce Mutton via Therion]

Looks like similar prolems came up in 2011 and 2014 
https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=progressive=therion%40speleo.sk

Bruce

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Subject: Re: [Therion] Xtherion error when importing JPG in Windows

2017-03-25 14:38 GMT-03:00 Xavier Pennec via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
>
> This is due to the jpeg version of the image.  It happened to me when I 
> generated the image with GIMP.
> But editing and saving the image with the windows 7 image visualization tool 
> solved the problem.
> I have not tried with windows 10 yet.

Xavier,


You are right, saving the JPG file with Windows file viewer makes the JPG file 
compatible with Windows XTherion.

The problem is with the use of the "Progressive" JPEG option in GIMP.
Even in GIMP, if you save the JPEG file without the "Progressive"
option, the JPEG file became readable by Windows XTherion.

But the error message is really cryptic:

invalid name command "ÿØÿà

Who would think this is about an unsupported option when saving the JPEG file ;)


Thanks for your input,

Rodrigo

>
> Xavier
>
> Le 25-Mar-17 à 16:44, Rodrigo Severo via Therion a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Several users got the error on the image attached when trying to import a JPG 
> image on XTherion on Windows. One single user succeded importing a JPG image 
> on XTherion on Windows.
>
> These XTherions were able to import a PNG image.
>
> They were all using Therion for Windows available at 
> https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-setup-dev.exe
>
> How can they import JPG images?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rodrigo Severo
>
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Re: [Therion] Xtherion error when importing JPG in Windows

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

2017-03-25 14:38 GMT-03:00 Xavier Pennec via Therion :
>
> This is due to the jpeg version of the image.  It happened to me when I 
> generated the image with GIMP.
> But editing and saving the image with the windows 7 image visualization tool 
> solved the problem.
> I have not tried with windows 10 yet.

Xavier,


You are right, saving the JPG file with Windows file viewer makes the
JPG file compatible with Windows XTherion.

The problem is with the use of the "Progressive" JPEG option in GIMP.
Even in GIMP, if you save the JPEG file without the "Progressive"
option, the JPEG file became readable by Windows XTherion.

But the error message is really cryptic:

invalid name command "ÿØÿà

Who would think this is about an unsupported option when saving the JPEG file ;)


Thanks for your input,

Rodrigo

>
> Xavier
>
> Le 25-Mar-17 à 16:44, Rodrigo Severo via Therion a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Several users got the error on the image attached when trying to import a JPG 
> image on XTherion on Windows. One single user succeded importing a JPG image 
> on XTherion on Windows.
>
> These XTherions were able to import a PNG image.
>
> They were all using Therion for Windows available at 
> https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-setup-dev.exe
>
> How can they import JPG images?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rodrigo Severo
>
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> > F-06902 Sophia-Antipolis Cedex, France
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Re: [Therion] Xtherion error when importing JPG in Windows

[Xavier Pennec via Therion]

This is due to the jpeg version of the image.  It happened to me when I 
generated the image with GIMP.
But editing and saving the image with the windows 7 image visualization 
tool solved the problem.

I have not tried with windows 10 yet.

Xavier

Le 25-Mar-17 à 16:44, Rodrigo Severo via Therion a écrit :

Hi,


Several users got the error on the image attached when trying to 
import a JPG image on XTherion on Windows. One single user succeded 
importing a JPG image on XTherion on Windows.


These XTherions were able to import a PNG image.

They were all using Therion for Windows available at 
https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-setup-dev.exe


How can they import JPG images?


Regards,

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[Therion] Xtherion error when importing JPG in Windows

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Hi,


Several users got the error on the image attached when trying to import a
JPG image on XTherion on Windows. One single user succeded importing a JPG
image on XTherion on Windows.

These XTherions were able to import a PNG image.

They were all using Therion for Windows available at
https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-setup-dev.exe

How can they import JPG images?


Regards,

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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

2017-02-26 6:43 GMT-03:00 Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion :

> Hello
>
> I fix this issue at Vladimir repo. I try to make PR to main repo soon
>

I fixed that already: https://github.com/therion/therion/pull/61

Sorry I forgot to mention it here.


Thanks for your attention,

Rodrigo


>
> 23.02.2017 22:02, Rodrigo Severo via Therion пишет:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to
> work. When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line"
> submenu options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the
> menu disappears.
>
> I have being trying to debug this for a while now. It's true that I spent
> more time learning Tcl/Tk than actually debuging but that's not that
> relevant ;)
>
> If I use the "Edit line" button menu on the right pane everything works as
> expected.
>
> I already found out that this menu's definition starts at me.tcl line 2102
> and that it's attached to the contextual menu at me_cmds.tcl line 3414.
>
> I also found out that the actual command defined for each of "Edit line"
> menu isn't called at all when activated through the contextual menu. They
> are called just fine when they are activated from the side panel button
> menu.
>
> Any help? Suggestions? Pointers?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Rodrigo
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion]

Hello

I fix this issue at Vladimir repo. I try to make PR to main repo soon


23.02.2017 22:02, Rodrigo Severo via Therion пишет:

Hi,


I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to 
work. When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit 
line" submenu options nothing happens: no error, no change on the 
line, just the menu disappears.


I have being trying to debug this for a while now. It's true that I 
spent more time learning Tcl/Tk than actually debuging but that's not 
that relevant ;)


If I use the "Edit line" button menu on the right pane everything 
works as expected.


I already found out that this menu's definition starts at me.tcl line 
2102 and that it's attached to the contextual menu at me_cmds.tcl line 
3414.


I also found out that the actual command defined for each of "Edit 
line" menu isn't called at all when activated through the contextual 
menu. They are called just fine when they are activated from the side 
panel button menu.


Any help? Suggestions? Pointers?


Thanks in advance,

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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

2017-02-24 12:25 GMT-03:00 Martin Sluka via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:

> I'm on Mac, no problems at all. Two installations.
>

Ok. So it seems that the problems is constrained to Linux only.


Thanks for the info.

Rodrigo



>
> m.s.
>
> On Feb 24, 2017, at 04:21 PM, Rodrigo Severo via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>
> Great news. So the problem doesn't affects Windows at all apparently.
> Thanks Bruce and Footleg for your help.
>
> It would be nice to know if it affects Mac.
>
> I want to set up a dynamic debugging structure to try to further debug
> this issue. Any suggestions?
>
>
> Rodrigo
>
>
> Em 24 de fev de 2017 11:01, "Footleg via Therion" <therion@speleo.sk>
> escreveu:
>
> Same as Bruce (but on Windows 7). Edit line context menu items work for me
> (e.g. Convert to Curve when clicking on a line makes all the nodes smooth
> curves).
>
> Footleg
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 5:22 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>
>> I cannot duplicate this problem.
>>
>> At least Insert, Delete and Split line work just fine from the
>> right-click context menu.
>>
>> Using 5.3.16 Vlad’s version.
>>
>> Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *Rodrigo
>> Severo via Therion
>> *Sent:* Friday, 24 February 2017 3:27 PM
>> *To:* List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
>> *Cc:* Rodrigo Severo <rodr...@fabricadeideias.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line
>> points doesn't work
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-02-23 22:56 GMT-03:00 Bill Gee via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
>>
>> I am unable to duplicate this problem. Therion version 5.3.16 compiled
>> from source, running on 64-bit Fedora 25.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just to understand, all options of the "Edit line" contextual menu for a
>> line point worked just the same as if you called these same options from
>> the button menu on the right panel?
>>
>>- Insert point
>>- Delete point
>>- Split line
>>- Trace line
>>- Convert to curve
>>- Simplify
>>
>> Is that it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rodrigo
>>
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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

I'm on Mac, no problems at all. Two installations.

m.s.

On Feb 24, 2017, at 04:21 PM, Rodrigo Severo via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> 
wrote:

Great news. So the problem doesn't affects Windows at all apparently. Thanks 
Bruce and Footleg for your help. 

It would be nice to know if it affects Mac. 

I want to set up a dynamic debugging structure to try to further debug this 
issue. Any suggestions? 


Rodrigo 


Em 24 de fev de 2017 11:01, "Footleg via Therion" <therion@speleo.sk> escreveu:
Same as Bruce (but on Windows 7). Edit line context menu items work for me 
(e.g. Convert to Curve when clicking on a line makes all the nodes smooth 
curves).

Footleg

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 5:22 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> 
wrote:
I cannot duplicate this problem.
At least Insert, Delete and Split line work just fine from the right-click 
context menu.
Using 5.3.16 Vlad’s version.
Windows 10
 
Bruce
 
From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Severo 
via Therion
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2017 3:27 PM
To: List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
Cc: Rodrigo Severo <rodr...@fabricadeideias.com>
Subject: Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points 
doesn't work
 
2017-02-23 22:56 GMT-03:00 Bill Gee via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
I am unable to duplicate this problem. Therion version 5.3.16 compiled from 
source, running on 64-bit Fedora 25.
 
Just to understand, all options of the "Edit line" contextual menu for a line 
point worked just the same as if you called these same options from the button menu on 
the right panel?
Insert point
Delete point
Split line
Trace line
Convert to curve
Simplify
Is that it?
 
Rodrigo
 

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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Great news. So the problem doesn't affects Windows at all apparently.
Thanks Bruce and Footleg for your help.

It would be nice to know if it affects Mac.

I want to set up a dynamic debugging structure to try to further debug this
issue. Any suggestions?


Rodrigo


Em 24 de fev de 2017 11:01, "Footleg via Therion" <therion@speleo.sk>
escreveu:

Same as Bruce (but on Windows 7). Edit line context menu items work for me
(e.g. Convert to Curve when clicking on a line makes all the nodes smooth
curves).

Footleg

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 5:22 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>
wrote:

> I cannot duplicate this problem.
>
> At least Insert, Delete and Split line work just fine from the right-click
> context menu.
>
> Using 5.3.16 Vlad’s version.
>
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *Rodrigo
> Severo via Therion
> *Sent:* Friday, 24 February 2017 3:27 PM
> *To:* List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
> *Cc:* Rodrigo Severo <rodr...@fabricadeideias.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line
> points doesn't work
>
>
>
> 2017-02-23 22:56 GMT-03:00 Bill Gee via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
>
> I am unable to duplicate this problem. Therion version 5.3.16 compiled
> from source, running on 64-bit Fedora 25.
>
>
>
> Just to understand, all options of the "Edit line" contextual menu for a
> line point worked just the same as if you called these same options from
> the button menu on the right panel?
>
>- Insert point
>- Delete point
>- Split line
>- Trace line
>- Convert to curve
>- Simplify
>
> Is that it?
>
>
>
> Rodrigo
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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Footleg via Therion]

Same as Bruce (but on Windows 7). Edit line context menu items work for me
(e.g. Convert to Curve when clicking on a line makes all the nodes smooth
curves).

Footleg

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 5:22 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>
wrote:

> I cannot duplicate this problem.
>
> At least Insert, Delete and Split line work just fine from the right-click
> context menu.
>
> Using 5.3.16 Vlad’s version.
>
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of *Rodrigo
> Severo via Therion
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> *Cc:* Rodrigo Severo <rodr...@fabricadeideias.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line
> points doesn't work
>
>
>
> 2017-02-23 22:56 GMT-03:00 Bill Gee via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
>
> I am unable to duplicate this problem. Therion version 5.3.16 compiled
> from source, running on 64-bit Fedora 25.
>
>
>
> Just to understand, all options of the "Edit line" contextual menu for a
> line point worked just the same as if you called these same options from
> the button menu on the right panel?
>
>- Insert point
>- Delete point
>- Split line
>- Trace line
>- Convert to curve
>- Simplify
>
> Is that it?
>
>
>
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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Wookey via Therion]

On 2017-02-23 22:32 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> Em 23 de fev de 2017 19:19, "Wookey via Therion"  escreveu:
> On 2017-02-23 12:02 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:

> > I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to
> work.
> > When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line"
> submenu
> > options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the menu
> > disappears.
> 
> Platform/OS? Version? Distro? did you build it yourself or use a
> supplied binary? 
> 
> Ubuntu 15.10 and 16.04. Both with Debian package 5.3.16.

Right. I see what you mean. I can reproduce that. 

It does work if you use the keyboard to select the item, rather than
clicking with the mouse, so I think the issue is actually the click
getting lost. No idea why that should be. 

I've created a bug report to stop it getting lost:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/therion/+bug/1667550

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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Bill Gee via Therion]

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:27:17 PM CST Rodrigo Severo via Therion 
wrote:
> 2017-02-23 22:56 GMT-03:00 Bill Gee via Therion :
> > I am unable to duplicate this problem. Therion version 5.3.16 compiled
> > from source, running on 64-bit Fedora 25.
> 
> Just to understand, all options of the "Edit line" contextual menu for a
> line point worked just the same as if you called these same options from
> the button menu on the right panel?
> 
>- Insert point
>- Delete point
>- Split line
>- Trace line
>- Convert to curve
>- Simplify
> 
> Is that it?
> 
> 
> Rodrigo


Hmmm   I was not trying those options.  You are right - they do not work 
for me from the right-click context menu.  I can change the line type, set it 
to reverse, do "outline in".  But I cannot insert or delete points, or split 
the line.

I checked the context menu on some points too.  Everything I tried there 
works.

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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

2017-02-23 22:56 GMT-03:00 Bill Gee via Therion :

> I am unable to duplicate this problem. Therion version 5.3.16 compiled
> from source, running on 64-bit Fedora 25.
>

Just to understand, all options of the "Edit line" contextual menu for a
line point worked just the same as if you called these same options from
the button menu on the right panel?

   - Insert point
   - Delete point
   - Split line
   - Trace line
   - Convert to curve
   - Simplify

Is that it?


Rodrigo


On Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:32:15 PM CST Rodrigo Severo via Therion
> wrote:
>
> > Em 23 de fev de 2017 19:19, "Wookey via Therion" 
>
> > escreveu:
>
> >
>
> > On 2017-02-23 12:02 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to
>
> >
>
> > work.
>
> >
>
> > > When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line"
>
> >
>
> > submenu
>
> >
>
> > > options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the menu
>
> > > disappears.
>
> >
>
> > Platform/OS? Version? Distro? did you build it yourself or use a
>
> > supplied binary?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Ubuntu 15.10 and 16.04. Both with Debian package 5.3.16.
>
> >
>
> > Ubuntu 16.04 with compiled version from github yesterday.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Rodrigo
>
> >
>
> >
>
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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Bill Gee via Therion]

I am unable to duplicate this problem.  Therion version 5.3.16 compiled from 
source, 
running on 64-bit Fedora 25.  

Bill Gee



On Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:32:15 PM CST Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> Em 23 de fev de 2017 19:19, "Wookey via Therion" 
> escreveu:
> 
> On 2017-02-23 12:02 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 
> > I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to
> 
> work.
> 
> > When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line"
> 
> submenu
> 
> > options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the menu
> > disappears.
> 
> Platform/OS? Version? Distro? did you build it yourself or use a
> supplied binary?
> 
> 
> Ubuntu 15.10 and 16.04. Both with Debian package 5.3.16.
> 
> Ubuntu 16.04 with compiled version from github yesterday.
> 
> 
> Rodrigo
> 
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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Em 23 de fev de 2017 19:19, "Wookey via Therion" 
escreveu:

On 2017-02-23 12:02 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to
work.
> When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line"
submenu
> options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the menu
> disappears.

Platform/OS? Version? Distro? did you build it yourself or use a
supplied binary?


Ubuntu 15.10 and 16.04. Both with Debian package 5.3.16.

Ubuntu 16.04 with compiled version from github yesterday.


Rodrigo


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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Wookey via Therion]

On 2017-02-23 12:02 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to work.
> When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line" submenu
> options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the menu
> disappears.

Platform/OS? Version? Distro? did you build it yourself or use a
supplied binary?

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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Jenny Black via Therion]

On 24 February 2017 at 10:42, Rodrigo Severo via Therion 
wrote:

>
> Can at least somebody confirm that this behaviour is happening wiht others
> too?
>
>

Yes, I've had this problem too. I meant to report it or investigate
further, but never quite got round to it, and just used the menu on the
right pane instead. I'm using the debian version of therion.

I'd be very happy if it got fixed :)

Thanks,
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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

2017-02-23 12:02 GMT-03:00 Rodrigo Severo :

> Hi,
>
>
> I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to
> work. When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line"
> submenu options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the
> menu disappears.
>

Can at least somebody confirm that this behaviour is happening wiht others
too?


>
> I have being trying to debug this for a while now.
>

No ideas on how to further debug this or even fix?


Rodrigo
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[Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Hi,


I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to work.
When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line"
submenu options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the
menu disappears.

I have being trying to debug this for a while now. It's true that I spent
more time learning Tcl/Tk than actually debuging but that's not that
relevant ;)

If I use the "Edit line" button menu on the right pane everything works as
expected.

I already found out that this menu's definition starts at me.tcl line 2102
and that it's attached to the contextual menu at me_cmds.tcl line 3414.

I also found out that the actual command defined for each of "Edit line"
menu isn't called at all when activated through the contextual menu. They
are called just fine when they are activated from the side panel button
menu.

Any help? Suggestions? Pointers?


Thanks in advance,

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[Therion] XTherion: Line simplification

[Владимир Георгиев]

In most cases it does, but if the points in a line are too many it still
leaves more points than I would like. And some remaining points are still
very close together because the line segment had some micro-curves that the
Bezier lines tries to preserve.
In other cases "Conver to curve" doesn't work and does nothing, but I
haven't checked the code to see why.

Sometimes I just need a simple "rougher" line without curves so I added
this option.

Vladimir

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Martin Sluka  wrote:

> And "Convert to curve" doesn’t works for you?
>
> m.s.
>
> 6. 4. 2016 v 13:45, Владимир Георгиев  gmail.com>:
>
> Hi guys
>
> There was one option I was missing in XTherion to reduce the number of
> points in a line.
> I work mostly with Topodroid and depending on the settings while drawing,
> in some cases I end up with lines with hundreds of points. This makes them
> harder to edit, enlarges the TH2 file and slows the compilation.
>
> I added a menu Edit line > Simplify line that reduces the points. There is
> also a setting in xtherion.ini called "xth(gui,me,line,simp_limit)" that
> controls how smooth/rough the line becomes. A value of 10 seemed to work
> well for me.
> One limitation is that Bezier lines become simple lines.
>
> I've attached a few screenshots, the patch file, and the xtherion.tcl file.
> Would be nice is someone can test how it works with their scraps.
>
> Vladimir
> 
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[Владимир Георгиев]

Hi guys

There was one option I was missing in XTherion to reduce the number of
points in a line.
I work mostly with Topodroid and depending on the settings while drawing,
in some cases I end up with lines with hundreds of points. This makes them
harder to edit, enlarges the TH2 file and slows the compilation.

I added a menu Edit line > Simplify line that reduces the points. There is
also a setting in xtherion.ini called "xth(gui,me,line,simp_limit)" that
controls how smooth/rough the line becomes. A value of 10 seemed to work
well for me.
One limitation is that Bezier lines become simple lines.

I've attached a few screenshots, the patch file, and the xtherion.tcl file.
Would be nice is someone can test how it works with their scraps.

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[Therion] XTherion: Line simplification

[Martin Sluka]

And "Convert to curve" doesn’t works for you?

m.s.

> 6. 4. 2016 v 13:45, Владимир Георгиев  gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi guys
> 
> There was one option I was missing in XTherion to reduce the number of points 
> in a line.
> I work mostly with Topodroid and depending on the settings while drawing, in 
> some cases I end up with lines with hundreds of points. This makes them 
> harder to edit, enlarges the TH2 file and slows the compilation.
> 
> I added a menu Edit line > Simplify line that reduces the points. There is 
> also a setting in xtherion.ini called "xth(gui,me,line,simp_limit)" that 
> controls how smooth/rough the line becomes. A value of 10 seemed to work well 
> for me.
> One limitation is that Bezier lines become simple lines.
> 
> I've attached a few screenshots, the patch file, and the xtherion.tcl file.
> Would be nice is someone can test how it works with their scraps.
> 
> Vladimir
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[Владимир Георгиев]

Martin

Can you send me some file in which the background move fails so I can try
to duplicate the issue?
I tried with a few of mine, but it works with all of them, so it might be
due to some differences in the scraps.

Vladimir

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> MacOSX, Windows…
>
> There is a problem with this doubleclick. Time from time it works, but
> mostly not.
>
> m.
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> 27. 3. 2016 v 19:47, Владимир Георгиев  gmail.com>:
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> What did you test on?
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[Therion] XTherion modifications

[Владимир Георгиев]

If you mean my modifications about the coloring, I just tested it and the
double right click and it works for me. The background can be moved as
before.
At least on Windows. What did you test on?
I don't recall messing with the mouse code...

Vladimir

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> It looks there is a problem with this modification, because mouse right
> button double click - to move background picture - stopped to work.
>
> m.
>
>
> 23. 2. 2016 v 21:04, Владимир Георгиев  gmail.com>:
>
> There was a bug resulting from my changes. The new stations are
> triangular, while the other points oval, and changing the type of point
> resulted in improper drawing or a crash.
> Here is a crude fix for it.
>
> Vladimir
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Владимир Георгиев <
> vld.georgiev at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I didn't mean that Martin and Stacho have forgotten about Therion.
>> The mods were initially for my own usage, but since its an open source
>> project I thought the authors would not mind me sharing them.
>>
>> Wookey
>> "DOSify", got it :)
>> Now that you mentioned it, my git client replaces Unix with Win line
>> endings. This is reverted when the commit is pushed to the repo, but not
>> when I manually send the files by email :)
>> Will keep it in mind when I send files.
>>
>> Vladimir
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Martin Sluka 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> as I may say, Martin B. and Stacho are still alive, bus very busy. I
>>> spoke with Martin B. few minutes ago. Therion is not only on Stacho's
>>> computer, but on Martin B.'s too. So don't worry.
>>>
>>> They are testing Github repo too.
>>>
>>> Martin B. told me, that after they'll finish a project for their work
>>> they will prepare new release.
>>>
>>> So don't lose hope, please.
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
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[Therion] XTherion modifications

[Martin Sluka]

MacOSX, Windows…

There is a problem with this doubleclick. Time from time it works, but mostly 
not.

m.

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> 
> What did you test on?

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[Martin Sluka]

It looks there is a problem with this modification, because mouse right button 
double click - to move background picture - stopped to work.

m.


> 23. 2. 2016 v 21:04, Владимир Георгиев  gmail.com>:
> 
> There was a bug resulting from my changes. The new stations are triangular, 
> while the other points oval, and changing the type of point resulted in 
> improper drawing or a crash.
> Here is a crude fix for it.
> 
> Vladimir
> 
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Владимир Георгиев 
> mailto:vld.georgiev at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Well, I didn't mean that Martin and Stacho have forgotten about Therion.
> The mods were initially for my own usage, but since its an open source 
> project I thought the authors would not mind me sharing them.
> 
> Wookey
> "DOSify", got it :)
> Now that you mentioned it, my git client replaces Unix with Win line endings. 
> This is reverted when the commit is pushed to the repo, but not when I 
> manually send the files by email :)
> Will keep it in mind when I send files.
> 
> Vladimir
> 
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Martin Sluka  > wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> as I may say, Martin B. and Stacho are still alive, bus very busy. I spoke 
> with Martin B. few minutes ago. Therion is not only on Stacho's computer, but 
> on Martin B.'s too. So don't worry.
> 
> They are testing Github repo too.
> 
> Martin B. told me, that after they'll finish a project for their work they 
> will prepare new release. 
> 
> So don't lose hope, please.
> 
> :)
> 
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[Владимир Георгиев]

There was a bug resulting from my changes. The new stations are triangular,
while the other points oval, and changing the type of point resulted in
improper drawing or a crash.
Here is a crude fix for it.

Vladimir

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Владимир Георгиев 

wrote:

> Well, I didn't mean that Martin and Stacho have forgotten about Therion.
> The mods were initially for my own usage, but since its an open source
> project I thought the authors would not mind me sharing them.
>
> Wookey
> "DOSify", got it :)
> Now that you mentioned it, my git client replaces Unix with Win line
> endings. This is reverted when the commit is pushed to the repo, but not
> when I manually send the files by email :)
> Will keep it in mind when I send files.
>
> Vladimir
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Martin Sluka  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> as I may say, Martin B. and Stacho are still alive, bus very busy. I
>> spoke with Martin B. few minutes ago. Therion is not only on Stacho's
>> computer, but on Martin B.'s too. So don't worry.
>>
>> They are testing Github repo too.
>>
>> Martin B. told me, that after they'll finish a project for their work
>> they will prepare new release.
>>
>> So don't lose hope, please.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> m.s.
>>
>>
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[Footleg]

Confirmed with a quick test that I could reproduce that problem with the
old version, and that I don't see the issue with this latest compiled .tcl
file. I'm trying this out for some drawing up so I'll let you know whether
I find any other issues.

Footleg

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 8:05 PM Владимир Георгиев 
wrote:

> There was a bug resulting from my changes. The new stations are
> triangular, while the other points oval, and changing the type of point
> resulted in improper drawing or a crash.
> Here is a crude fix for it.
>
> Vladimir
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Владимир Георгиев <
> vld.georgiev at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I didn't mean that Martin and Stacho have forgotten about Therion.
>> The mods were initially for my own usage, but since its an open source
>> project I thought the authors would not mind me sharing them.
>>
>> Wookey
>> "DOSify", got it :)
>> Now that you mentioned it, my git client replaces Unix with Win line
>> endings. This is reverted when the commit is pushed to the repo, but not
>> when I manually send the files by email :)
>> Will keep it in mind when I send files.
>>
>> Vladimir
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Martin Sluka 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> as I may say, Martin B. and Stacho are still alive, bus very busy. I
>>> spoke with Martin B. few minutes ago. Therion is not only on Stacho's
>>> computer, but on Martin B.'s too. So don't worry.
>>>
>>> They are testing Github repo too.
>>>
>>> Martin B. told me, that after they'll finish a project for their work
>>> they will prepare new release.
>>>
>>> So don't lose hope, please.
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> m.s.
>>>
>>>
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[Владимир Георгиев]

Well, I didn't mean that Martin and Stacho have forgotten about Therion.
The mods were initially for my own usage, but since its an open source
project I thought the authors would not mind me sharing them.

Wookey
"DOSify", got it :)
Now that you mentioned it, my git client replaces Unix with Win line
endings. This is reverted when the commit is pushed to the repo, but not
when I manually send the files by email :)
Will keep it in mind when I send files.

Vladimir

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Martin Sluka  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> as I may say, Martin B. and Stacho are still alive, bus very busy. I spoke
> with Martin B. few minutes ago. Therion is not only on Stacho's computer,
> but on Martin B.'s too. So don't worry.
>
> They are testing Github repo too.
>
> Martin B. told me, that after they'll finish a project for their work they
> will prepare new release.
>
> So don't lose hope, please.
>
> :)
>
> m.s.
>
>
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[Martin Sluka]

Hi all,

as I may say, Martin B. and Stacho are still alive, bus very busy. I spoke with 
Martin B. few minutes ago. Therion is not only on Stacho's computer, but on 
Martin B.'s too. So don't worry.

They are testing Github repo too.

Martin B. told me, that after they'll finish a project for their work they will 
prepare new release. 

So don't lose hope, please.

:)

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[Владимир Георгиев]

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Wookey  wrote:

> In practice the rest of the world uses this list and the distro
> packaging and every so often those patches get pulled back into the
> master repo.
>

​Well, in general I think a VCS would be nice, but it's up to you or the
authors or whoever else maintains the code. There are many public free
services like github, etc. I currently placed it in a private git on
Assembla. Can make a public one too.


OK. You changed what I think is the default line size too
> set xth(gui,me,line,cpsize) 3
> is that an important part of this change or just something you prefer?
>
​Not very important. I changed the line point, and Bezier​

​line control point sizes. Actually they were already available in the Ini
file before my changes, but I haven't noticed them.
I'll see if there is a wiki about the xtherion.ini​ settings. If not I will
see if I can make one about some of them.


> So I merged your code into the debian package. You had managed to
> 'dosify' me_cmds2.tcl which made a massive patch, but I've fixed that
> (and quite a lot of trailing whitespace).
> Patch attached to save anyone else the work.
> I'm building the package now and will upload soon if everything works.
>

​Don't know that you mean by "dosify" :)
Indeed there was some whitespace in most of the files. I didn't remove it
exactly to avoid making a large patch/commit.

About building the packages, I actually tried building xtherion only, not
the whole Therion. But I suppose that xtherion should not affect the rest
of the build process.

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[Владимир Георгиев]

Yes, the colors could use some tweaking depending on how people use the map
editor. And likely on their monitor.
I work mostly with Topodroid, which exports a Therion drawing directly and
I don't have an image at the background. But still some editing is needed
usually with Therion.

Adding the orientation should not be a problem. It can probably either show
the arrows all the time without needing to select the points, or show
something smaller. I'll check it in a few days.

Vladimir


On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Footleg  wrote:

> I've taken a quick look, and this is really (REALLY!) useful. Just messed
> with the colours, not the other enhancements. I already changed the colour
> of rock lines from snow4 to yellow by editing (and uncommenting) that line
> in the ini file. I could not tell my rock lines from my survey lines
> rendered in the background sketch imported from PocketTopo. Some of the
> other colours are maybe a little too dark so I will experiment more to
> brighten them up and see what I think works best as I am sketching.
>
> The triangles for station points have another advantage over just changing
> their colour. I can now see the black circles for the stations positions in
> the background sketch imported from PocketTopo. Previously the blue circles
> of the stations points completely hid the black circles they were placed on
> top of.
>
> If you could add something to the points which have an orientation set to
> show the orientation (without having to select them as currently) that
> would be another step forwards.
>
> Great stuff, thank you!
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[Wookey]

+++ Владимир Георгиев [2016-02-19 19:11 +0200]:
> 
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Wookey  wrote:

> So I merged your code into the debian package. You had managed to
> 'dosify' me_cmds2.tcl which made a massive patch, but I've fixed that
> (and quite a lot of trailing whitespace).
> Patch attached to save anyone else the work.
> I'm building the package now and will upload soon if everything works.
> 
> 
> ​Don't know that you mean by "dosify" :)

Changed all the lineends from 0x0A (unix linefeeds) to 0x0D,0x0A (DOS
linefeeds) (which makes every line different). Normally this is a
problem with editors silently converting your files, but sometimes
also VCSes. Not helped by the fact that some files from upstream are
'mixed line-ends', which can confuse editors.

> Indeed there was some whitespace in most of the files. I didn't remove it
> exactly to avoid making a large patch/commit.

Right, but you (well, your editor, no doubt) added some more :-)

The debian package has a huge whitespace patch to fix this irritation,
but Stacho has not merged it upstream yet :-(

> About building the packages, I actually tried building xtherion only, not the
> whole Therion. But I suppose that xtherion should not affect the rest of the
> build process.

No, it's not your fault. I recall this being an issue already. Therion
build-depends on itself, so it builds OK if it's already installed on the
build machine (and the library catalogue hasn't changed between what's
installed and what's building), but not in a clean environment. Which
means I don't understand how the current debian builds are building at
all (because they should be done in just such an environement)

I was going to fix it properly by generating the catalogue in a less
crufty way, but have clearly not got round to it.

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+++ Wookey [2016-02-19 15:23 +]:
> 
> I'm building the package now and will upload soon if everything works.

It didn't. Therion tries to run itself to build the librarydata file
(which will never work in a cross-build and is a bad plan) and it's
not working in a normal clean build either right now. I'm not sure why
that's now failing (builds used to work). And I'm off on hols for 3
weeks in a mo, so this will have to wait. Sorry.

make library
make[2]: Entering directory '/«PKGBUILDDIR»'
./therion --print-library-src thlibrarydata.thcfg > thlibrarydata.log
/bin/sh: 1: ./therion: not found
make[2]: *** [library] Error 127
Makefile:179: recipe for target 'library' failed
make[2]: Leaving directory '/«PKGBUILDDIR»'
make[1]: *** [thlibrarydata.cxx] Error 2

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[Footleg]

I've taken a quick look, and this is really (REALLY!) useful. Just messed
with the colours, not the other enhancements. I already changed the colour
of rock lines from snow4 to yellow by editing (and uncommenting) that line
in the ini file. I could not tell my rock lines from my survey lines
rendered in the background sketch imported from PocketTopo. Some of the
other colours are maybe a little too dark so I will experiment more to
brighten them up and see what I think works best as I am sketching.

The triangles for station points have another advantage over just changing
their colour. I can now see the black circles for the stations positions in
the background sketch imported from PocketTopo. Previously the blue circles
of the stations points completely hid the black circles they were placed on
top of.

If you could add something to the points which have an orientation set to
show the orientation (without having to select them as currently) that
would be another step forwards.

Great stuff, thank you!

Footleg

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:50 AM Владимир Георгиев 

wrote:

> Hi all
>
> There are some modifications that I made to the XTherion and would be
> interested if someone can test them and share their opinion. They were
> quickly patched up and I am no TCL developer so there might be a bug or two.
>
> Initially I needed to have an XTherion shortcut to delete a line point so
> I started looking through the source. I added Ctrl+Shift+D for deleting a
> line point, Ctrl+Up/Down for zooming in and out in the map editor.
>
> The all blue items in the map editor were harder to use so I tried to
> colorize them. E.g. walls to be "brick red", pits are magenta, rock borders
> dark gray, slope is yellow, etc. The non-selected scrap is light gray.
> The station point I made orange and a triangle instead of a circle so it
> is more visible.
> I will probably add other colors after I work with the editor more.
>
> I have attached a couple of screenshots of how it looks, the xtherion
> source and the "compiled" xtherion tcl app.
>
> Btw, where does the source live, besides the zip archive on the site? Is
> there a source control repo somewhere that people can contribute to?
> For experimenting with the colors I used a private git repo. I admit I
> haven't checked the licensing for the code.
>
> Here are the colors that I changed and added them to the INI file.
> #set xth(gui,me,activefill) red
> #set xth(gui,me,pasivefill) green
> #set xth(gui,me,controlfill) blue
> #set xth(gui,me,highlightfill) cyan
> #set xth(gui,me,unselectedfill) lightgray
> #set xth(gui,me,wallcolor) brown
> #set xth(gui,me,pitcolor) magenta
> #set xth(gui,me,slopecolor) gold
> #set xth(gui,me,rockcolor) snow4
> #set xth(gui,me,bordercolor) turquoise
> #set xth(gui,me,stationcolor) darkorange
>
>
> Best
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Vladimir
I don't have answers for you, but I do like what you are doing. A therion repo 
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[Markus Boldt]

Hi Vladimir, 

I say the same as Bruce. Perhaps I already more a user as Bruce and so you will 
get no answers from me too. Excuse! 

But I want to know: 

If I want to use this advantage must I only copy the changes in die INI.file? 
But in witch INI-File? 

Please do a look to the attachment. There are 4 INI-Files in my directory. 

And then simply added that to the end of the file? And I think without the CR 
– or is that equal? 

Greeting and many thanks for that work! 

Markus 







Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag von  
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Februar 2016 12:50
An: TherionList
Betreff: [Therion] XTherion modifications



Hi all

There are some modifications that I made to the XTherion and would be 
interested if someone can test them and share their opinion. They were quickly 
patched up and I am no TCL developer so there might be a bug or two.

Initially I needed to have an XTherion shortcut to delete a line point so I 
started looking through the source. I added Ctrl+Shift+D for deleting a line 
point, Ctrl+Up/Down for zooming in and out in the map editor.

The all blue items in the map editor were harder to use so I tried to colorize 
them. E.g. walls to be "brick red", pits are magenta, rock borders dark gray, 
slope is yellow, etc. The non-selected scrap is light gray.
The station point I made orange and a triangle instead of a circle so it is 
more visible.

I will probably add other colors after I work with the editor more.



I have attached a couple of screenshots of how it looks, the xtherion source 
and the "compiled" xtherion tcl app.

Btw, where does the source live, besides the zip archive on the site? Is there 
a source control repo somewhere that people can contribute to?

For experimenting with the colors I used a private git repo. I admit I haven't 
checked the licensing for the code.



Here are the colors that I changed and added them to the INI file.

#set xth(gui,me,activefill) red
#set xth(gui,me,pasivefill) green
#set xth(gui,me,controlfill) blue
#set xth(gui,me,highlightfill) cyan
#set xth(gui,me,unselectedfill) lightgray
#set xth(gui,me,wallcolor) brown
#set xth(gui,me,pitcolor) magenta
#set xth(gui,me,slopecolor) gold
#set xth(gui,me,rockcolor) snow4
#set xth(gui,me,bordercolor) turquoise
#set xth(gui,me,stationcolor) darkorange



Best
Vladimir

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[Владимир Георгиев]

Hi all

There are some modifications that I made to the XTherion and would be
interested if someone can test them and share their opinion. They were
quickly patched up and I am no TCL developer so there might be a bug or two.

Initially I needed to have an XTherion shortcut to delete a line point so I
started looking through the source. I added Ctrl+Shift+D for deleting a
line point, Ctrl+Up/Down for zooming in and out in the map editor.

The all blue items in the map editor were harder to use so I tried to
colorize them. E.g. walls to be "brick red", pits are magenta, rock borders
dark gray, slope is yellow, etc. The non-selected scrap is light gray.
The station point I made orange and a triangle instead of a circle so it is
more visible.
I will probably add other colors after I work with the editor more.

I have attached a couple of screenshots of how it looks, the xtherion
source and the "compiled" xtherion tcl app.

Btw, where does the source live, besides the zip archive on the site? Is
there a source control repo somewhere that people can contribute to?
For experimenting with the colors I used a private git repo. I admit I
haven't checked the licensing for the code.

Here are the colors that I changed and added them to the INI file.
#set xth(gui,me,activefill) red
#set xth(gui,me,pasivefill) green
#set xth(gui,me,controlfill) blue
#set xth(gui,me,highlightfill) cyan
#set xth(gui,me,unselectedfill) lightgray
#set xth(gui,me,wallcolor) brown
#set xth(gui,me,pitcolor) magenta
#set xth(gui,me,slopecolor) gold
#set xth(gui,me,rockcolor) snow4
#set xth(gui,me,bordercolor) turquoise
#set xth(gui,me,stationcolor) darkorange


Best
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[Martin Sluka]

It is bug in Xtherion. Stacho will publish new release as soon as possible.

m.s.

21. 5. 2014 v 23:30, Steve Clark :

> I may be missing something here, apologies if I'm making an obvious error!
> 
> I am having difficultly with user defined areas in the Map Editor (v. 5.3.14)
> 
> When I want to draw a user defined line (eg. u:divingline), I just enter 
> u:divingline in the 'type' box  of the Lines section and it works fine.
> 
> When I try to draw a user-defined area (eg. u:lake), I enter u:lake in the 
> 'type' box it automatically fills in the 'options' box with -subtype lake. I 
> can't seem to find any way of entering a user-defined area in the Map Editor 
> such that it appears correctly in the text of the .th2 file as 'area u:lake'
> 
> I can correct it by manually editing the .th2 file in the text editor and it 
> works fine, but whenever I open and then save the .th2 file again in the map 
> editor it reverts to 'u -subtype lake'.
> 
> Any help much appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Steve Clark
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[Therion] Xtherion - User defined areas in Map Editor

[Steve Clark]

I may be missing something here, apologies if I'm making an obvious error!

I am having difficultly with user defined areas in the Map Editor (v. 
5.3.14)

When I want to draw a user defined line (eg. u:divingline), I just enter 
u:divingline in the 'type' box  of the Lines section and it works fine.

When I try to draw a user-defined area (eg. u:lake), I enter u:lake in 
the 'type' box it automatically fills in the 'options' box with -subtype 
lake. I can't seem to find any way of entering a user-defined area in 
the Map Editor such that it appears correctly in the text of the .th2 
file as 'area u:lake'

I can correct it by manually editing the .th2 file in the text editor 
and it works fine, but whenever I open and then save the .th2 file again 
in the map editor it reverts to 'u -subtype lake'.

Any help much appreciated.

Regards,

Steve Clark

[Therion] xtherion

[Wookey]

+++ cawa sorix [2013-01-11 20:37 +0100]:
> Hello all,
> 
> I look for why there is different between linux and windows, it seems
> on linux, tcltk add extension at the end of the name if there is not a
> "." on the name.
> 
> I wrote the patch bellow :
> 
> 
> --- therion/xtherion/te.tcl
> +++ therion/xtherion/te.tcl
> @@ -649,11 +649,12 @@
>global xth
> 
>if {$dialogid} {
>  set fname [tk_getOpenFile -filetypes $xth(app,te,filetypes) \
>-parent $xth(gui,main) \
> -  -initialdir $xth(gui,initdir) -defaultextension $xth(app,te,fileext)]
> +  -initialdir $xth(gui,initdir) ]
> +   #-defaultextension $xth(app,te,fileext)]
>}
> 
>if {[string length $fname] == 0} {
>  return 0
>} else {
> 
> If you can test on linux :)

Thanks for doing that. I tested here with 5.3.11-2 and it had this
issue Marco noticed. I applied the above patch and built 5.3.11-3 and
that does indeed fix it.

Is there any reason why this might break anything? Should I just
upload it to unstable?

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[cawa sorix]

Hello all,

I look for why there is different between linux and windows, it seems
on linux, tcltk add extension at the end of the name if there is not a
"." on the name.

A sample example bellow : open an openbox without xhterion element, it
works on test2 only

 package require Tk

  set types {
  {{Therion files}   {.th}}
  {{2D therion files}   {.th2}}
  {{All files}   {*}}
  }
#Test 1 => KO on linux
#set filename [tk_getOpenFile -filetypes $types -defaultextension {.th}]

#test 2 => OK on linux
set filename [tk_getOpenFile -filetypes $types]

puts "I found $filename"

The documentation is not really clear about defaultextension option on
tk_getOpenFile
I wrote the patch bellow :


--- therion/xtherion/te.tcl
+++ therion/xtherion/te.tcl
@@ -649,11 +649,12 @@
   global xth

   if {$dialogid} {
 set fname [tk_getOpenFile -filetypes $xth(app,te,filetypes) \
   -parent $xth(gui,main) \
-  -initialdir $xth(gui,initdir) -defaultextension $xth(app,te,fileext)]
+  -initialdir $xth(gui,initdir) ]
+   #-defaultextension $xth(app,te,fileext)]
   }

   if {[string length $fname] == 0} {
 return 0
   } else {

If you can test on linux :)

Regards,
C.S.


2013/1/8 Stacho Mudrak :
> For me (on win32) it also works fine. Is it a problem on Linux?
>
> S.
>
>
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[cawa sorix]

Hi,

I confirm there is an issue with linux, I will  try to track the error.

Regards,
C.S.

2013/1/8 Stacho Mudrak :
> For me (on win32) it also works fine. Is it a problem on Linux?
>
> S.
>
>
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[Stacho Mudrak]

For me (on win32) it also works fine. Is it a problem on Linux?

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[Torsten Schnitter]

Did you change to "All files (*.*)" in the open dialog?
For me it works with no problems to open files without extension.
(I'm using Therion 5.3.11 and Windows version)

Torsten

Marco Corvi  hat am 7. Januar 2013 um 10:41 
geschrieben:
> this is just a minor nuisance,
>
> i noticed that when i want to open o file without extension
> with xtherion text editor, it tries to add the extension ".th" and says
> that it cannot find the file.
>
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[Therion] xtherion

[Marco Corvi]

yes.
that's why i can pick any filename i want :)
marco





 From: Torsten Schnitter 
To: List for Therion users  
Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Therion] xtherion

Did you change to "All files (*.*)" in the open dialog?
For me it works with no problems to open files without extension.
(I'm using Therion 5.3.11 and Windows version)

Torsten

Marco Corvi  hat am 7. Januar 2013 um 10:41 
geschrieben:
> this is just a minor nuisance,
>
> i noticed that when i want to open o file without extension
> with xtherion text editor, it tries to add the extension ".th" and says
> that it cannot find the file.
>
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[Therion] xtherion

[Marco Corvi]

this is just a minor nuisance,

i noticed that when i want to open o file without extension
with xtherion text editor, it tries to add the extension ".th" and says
that it cannot find the file.

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[Therion] xtherion on ubuntu

[Vasily Vl. Suhachev]

19.12.2012 00:49, Wookey пишет:
> Please provide some more details. Which version of therion did you
> install.

Ubuntu 12.04.01 LTS, Therion 5.3.9 installation from packages

> What sort of 'not work'? The gui doesn't start? You can't run therion
> from the command line? Loch/therion-viewer doesn't work?

xtherion fails with 'segmentation fault' message.

therion and loch worked well

Maybe screenshot from my previous message helps you?

>
> It would also be good to file a bug on launchpad using the
> bug-reporting tool as that will collect some details about your
> machine which will help.

How to do it? I am choosing "send error" after crash all time

> Therion runs fine on my work machine, which is Ubuntu Precise
> (12.04)

I recompiled Therion 5.3.10 and crashes disappeared. Therion from the 
package works with wish8.4 but I use libvtk8.5. Perhaps it affected?


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[Therion] xtherion on ubuntu

[Vasily Vl. Suhachev]

Hello

Xtherion does not work on Ubuntu 12

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[Wookey]

+++ Vasily Vl. Suhachev [2012-12-18 22:13 +0800]:
> Hello
> 
> Xtherion does not work on Ubuntu 12

Please provide some more details. Which version of therion did you
install. What sort of 'not work'? The gui doesn't start? You can't run
therion from the command line? Loch/therion-viewer doesn't work?

It would also be good to file a bug on launchpad using the
bug-reporting tool as that will collect some details about your
machine which will help.

Therion runs fine on my work machine, which is Ubuntu Precise (12.04)

I have not upgraded my ubuntu machine to quantal (12.10), which is
presumably what you means by 'Ubuntu 12' above? So I've not tried it,
but I'd be surprised if it didn't work at all. 

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[Therion] xtherion crashes with tcl8.4

[Wookey]

I've just discovered that xtherion only actually works with tk8.5,
not tk8.4. Is that expected? If you only have tk8.4 installed it dies
with a segfault whilst loading fonts during startup.

If the authors don't expect it to work with tk8.4 then that's fair
enough but I need to change the dependencies so people don't end up
trying to use it. Alternatively I can provide details of the crash so
we can make sure it _does_ work with 8.4.



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[Therion] xtherion trace line, convert to curve

[Bruce]

>> Generally it does between 0 and 5 extra points then stops, sometimes with
the last point at an acute angle to the general trend of the line.

>what about manually edit line points and press "Continue tracing"?

Sometimes that worked for me.  Unless there is a 'trick' it seems easier to
just draw manually.  A nice idea though.
Bruce

[Therion] xtherion trace line, convert to curve

[Bruce]

Thanks Stacho

All these years I've been tracing cave outlines by hand!

However on trying it out it seems to be quite fussy, or a least there is a
knack I don't yet have.



PocketTopo sketches don't work, in fact any scan with thin lines seems not
to work.

I had partial success with fat lines scanned at a low resolution (line width
about 1.5 pixels) only when zoomed in to 400%.

Generally it does between 0 and 5 extra points then stops, sometimes with
the last point at an acute angle to the general trend of the line.



So am I right in guessing that this will work best for reasonably fat well
lined drawings? (your example line looks about 4-5 pixels wide)

Bruce

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From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf
Of Stacho Mudrak
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 10:55 p.m.
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] xtherion trace line, convert to curve



I am afraid, there are no instructions :(



I needed it to convert raster surface contours to vector data, to be able to
generate 3D model.



You need to load a background image. Then - on a raster line - add first two
points of line, their distance defines tracing step. Like this:



Inline images 2



Then click continue tracing and this is the result.

Inline images 3



You can then convert this line to bezier curve.



Inline images 4



HTH, S.



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[Therion] xtherion trace line, convert to curve

[Sluka Martin]

On 8.6.2012, at 0:18, Bruce wrote:

>>> Generally it does between 0 and 5 extra points then stops, sometimes with
> the last point at an acute angle to the general trend of the line.
> 
>> what about manually edit line points and press "Continue tracing"?
> 
> Sometimes that worked for me.  Unless there is a 'trick' it seems easier to
> just draw manually.  A nice idea though.
> Bruce

It worked nice if there is really black, contrast and smooth line. There are 
problems if line is grayish or there is acute angle as you mentioned. It is 
interactive work - add few points manually, stop tracing and delete several 
points, check and edit points after converting to curve, ...

m.s.

[Therion] xtherion trace line, convert to curve

[Stacho Mudrak]

It worked well to digitize contours on a topographical map - the reason why
I wrote this code, but for muddy cave sketches, it was completely useless.
This was the reason, why I gave it.

And I do not think that digitizing pocket-topo sketches is a good idea,
when pocket topo is vector already. May be a feature, that selectively
converts pocket topo sketch line to therion line would be better, but I do
not think so. When tracing these sketches, I usually do really a lot of
smoothing.

S.

On 8 June 2012 00:18, Bruce  wrote:

> >> Generally it does between 0 and 5 extra points then stops, sometimes
> with
> the last point at an acute angle to the general trend of the line.
>
> >what about manually edit line points and press "Continue tracing"?
>
> Sometimes that worked for me.  Unless there is a 'trick' it seems easier to
> just draw manually.  A nice idea though.
> Bruce
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[Sluka Martin]

On 7.6.2012, at 22:50, Bruce wrote:

> Generally it does between 0 and 5 extra points then stops, sometimes with the 
> last point at an acute angle to the general trend of the line.
> 

what about manually edit line points and press "Continue tracing"?

m.s.

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[Therion] xtherion trace line, convert to curve

[Sluka Martin]

On 7.6.2012, at 12:54, Stacho Mudrak wrote:

> P.S. Ad Inkscape - I have been playing a lot with raster -> vector features 
> of Inkscape, but ended with programming my own digitalization tool in 
> xtherion. Inkscape was not designed to be used this way.

Way? You may use it exactly as xtherion. Trace the line by polygon and convert 
to curve and save as th2 file. With many other features.

m.

[Therion] xtherion trace line, convert to curve

[Stacho Mudrak]

I am afraid, there are no instructions :(

I needed it to convert raster surface contours to vector data, to be able
to generate 3D model.

You need to load a background image. Then - on a raster line - add firt two
points of line, their distance defines tracing step. Like this:

[image: Inline images 2]

Then click continue tracing and this is the result.
[image: Inline images 3]

You can then convert this line to bezier curve.

[image: Inline images 4]

HTH, S.

P.S. Ad Inkscape - I have been playing a lot with raster -> vector features
of Inkscape, but ended with programming my own digitalization tool in
xtherion. Inkscape was not designed to be used this way.

On 7 June 2012 02:42, Bruce  wrote:

>  Are there any instructions regarding Xtherion’s ‘trace line’ and
> ‘convert to curve’ line editing features?
>
> I expect there are – just cannot find them.
>
> ** **
>
> The ‘convert to curve’ seems to take a line with straight segments and
> converts it to a smooth curve, so perhaps not so complicated.
>
> I have not been able to get any useful insights after playing with ‘trace
> line’, except that it adds two buttons to the interface.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
> ** **
>
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[Therion] xtherion trace line, convert to curve

[Bruce]

Are there any instructions regarding Xtherion's 'trace line' and 'convert to
curve' line editing features?

I expect there are - just cannot find them.



The 'convert to curve' seems to take a line with straight segments and
converts it to a smooth curve, so perhaps not so complicated.

I have not been able to get any useful insights after playing with 'trace
line', except that it adds two buttons to the interface.



Thanks

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[Sluka Martin]

On 7.6.2012, at 2:42, Bruce wrote:

> The ‘convert to curve’ seems to take a line with straight segments and 
> converts it to a smooth curve, so perhaps not so complicated.
> 

Inkscape

m.

[Therion] xtherion -close on

[marco corvi]

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 18:21 +0200, Stacho Mudrak wrote:
> But in therion, syntax is different. It is:
> 
> POINT
> CP1 CP2 POINT
> 
> And I am not sure, whether therion accepts CP specification before the
> first point.
> 
me neither.

in thbook it says that a data line can have one of the two format above.
maybe i missed the spot where it says that the first point of a 
line can be only in the first format.

not sure if thbook says it, but seems that in the sequence
  ... PT1
  CP1 CP2 PT2
  ...
in the piece of curve between P1 and P2, CP1 is the control point
on the side of P1 and CP2 that on the side of P2.

anyways thbook states what therion does, so it's up to the
implementation of therion.

i tested with 5.3.8:
it seems that therion implementation accept the first line
point in the second format, but it ignores the two control points.
this is enough for my needs at the moment.
thanks. 

marco

[Therion] xtherion -close on

[Stacho Mudrak]

But in therion, syntax is different. It is:

POINT
CP1 CP2 POINT

And I am not sure, whether therion accepts CP specification before the
first point.

S.

On 20 June 2011 10:15, marco corvi  wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 11:07 +0200, Stacho Mudrak wrote:
>> This bug should be fixed in 5.3.8. But there is one issue. If you have close
>> bezier spline, how do you specify control points, if last point is not same
>> as first one?
>>
> not sure ...
> however the first point has a fore control point and a back
> control point, the last point too.
> i 'd expect that the piece of line between the last and the first
> point uses the fore CP of the last and the back CP of the first.
>
> marco
>
>
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[Therion] xtherion -close on

[Stacho Mudrak]

This bug should be fixed in 5.3.8. But there is one issue. If you have close
bezier spline, how do you specify control points, if last point is not same
as first one?

Best regards, S.

On 16 June 2011 16:21, Stacho Mudrak  wrote:

> Sorry, I did not understand the problem before. In this case, it is a
> bug. I will try to fix it.
>
> Thanks, S.
>
> On 6/16/11, marco corvi  wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 15:25 +0200, Stacho Mudrak wrote:
> >> This point is added, because then the xtherion codes are much more
> >> simple.
> >> It is not needed for therion, but adjusting xtherion to work withou this
> >> extra point would be complicated.
> >>
> >
> > when i import in xtherion file produced with qtopo
> > and i save the file the lines become not-closed.
> >
> > that means that even xtherion
> > does not fully understand therion syntax.
> > that's kind of bad, because, so far, xtherion
> > is the only viable therion editor.
> >
> > marco
> >
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[Therion] xtherion -close on

[Stacho Mudrak]

Sorry, I did not understand the problem before. In this case, it is a
bug. I will try to fix it.

Thanks, S.

On 6/16/11, marco corvi  wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 15:25 +0200, Stacho Mudrak wrote:
>> This point is added, because then the xtherion codes are much more
>> simple.
>> It is not needed for therion, but adjusting xtherion to work withou this
>> extra point would be complicated.
>>
>
> when i import in xtherion file produced with qtopo
> and i save the file the lines become not-closed.
>
> that means that even xtherion
> does not fully understand therion syntax.
> that's kind of bad, because, so far, xtherion
> is the only viable therion editor.
>
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[Therion] xtherion -close on

[marco corvi]

On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 15:25 +0200, Stacho Mudrak wrote:
> This point is added, because then the xtherion codes are much more simple.
> It is not needed for therion, but adjusting xtherion to work withou this
> extra point would be complicated.
>

when i import in xtherion file produced with qtopo
and i save the file the lines become not-closed.

that means that even xtherion
does not fully understand therion syntax.
that's kind of bad, because, so far, xtherion
is the only viable therion editor.  

marco

[Therion] xtherion -close on

[marco corvi]

the line option "-close on" specifis that a line is closed.

when exporting maps, therion properly closes a line with
this option.

when xtherion loads the file, the line is "open" and the
checkbox "close" is unchecked.
if i check it, xtherion add a point to the line with the
same coords as the initial point.

marco  

[Therion] Xtherion interface point data entry differs to otherentity types

[Bruce Mutton]

Stacho
Yes I think that would make the behaviour appear to be consistent.
(Presumably it is difficult to re-code so that an object is created on
pressing Ctrl+P)
Bruce

-Original Message-
From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf
Of Stacho Mudrak
Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2008 11:05 p.m.
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] Xtherion interface point data entry differs to
otherentity types

Well, I understand your confusion, the problem is, that this behavior
is because of program design:

If you hit Ctrl+L or Ctrl+A, an object is immediately created and
therefore you can edit types or options.

If you hit Ctrl+P, no object is created - you are just switched to the
point insertion mode. Point is created after you click on the
position.

I see just one solution to your problem. When you switch to point
insertion mode, point dialog will be enabled and changes you have made
to this dialog will be applied to the first point inserted. Would it
help you?

Regards, S.

[Therion] XTherion - Insert Image problem

[Bruce Mutton]

I have been using insert image on full and various update versions of 0.5.2
(Windows Packages)continuously over the previous 12 months and no problems
experienced.

Using Windows XP MCE 2005, and my colleague(s) have been using older (I
presume) versions of Windows. 
Bruce

-Original Message-
From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf
Of Stacho Mudrak
Sent: Friday, 15 August 2008 9:46 p.m.
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] XTherion - Insert Image problem

Sorry for the very late answer, but I was able to test your problems
only yesterday.
I have tried to reproduce your bug, but without success :(

> ...well almost.  Backslashes turn into forwardslashes, and there is
> always a character missing, so if I chose:
> C:\images\file.png
>
> I will see:
> C:/mages/file.png
>
> This used to work OK (within the past 12 months).  I haven't had any
> need to insert any images of late (I already had several to trace), so
> I'm not sure when it stopped working.

I have tried on both XP and Vista Windows OS, but insert image worked
without problems. Is there anybody else who also observes this
problem?

Are you able to try it on different machine? May be it is some local
setting of your  machine. Could you please try to uninstall your old
therion and install new 5.2 version again? If it will not help - then
I will have to write some debugging script to see, where exactly in
the code this problem occurs.

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[Therion] XTherion - Insert Image problem

[Stacho Mudrak]

Sorry for the very late answer, but I was able to test your problems
only yesterday.
I have tried to reproduce your bug, but without success :(

> ...well almost.  Backslashes turn into forwardslashes, and there is
> always a character missing, so if I chose:
> C:\images\file.png
>
> I will see:
> C:/mages/file.png
>
> This used to work OK (within the past 12 months).  I haven't had any
> need to insert any images of late (I already had several to trace), so
> I'm not sure when it stopped working.

I have tried on both XP and Vista Windows OS, but insert image worked
without problems. Is there anybody else who also observes this
problem?

Are you able to try it on different machine? May be it is some local
setting of your  machine. Could you please try to uninstall your old
therion and install new 5.2 version again? If it will not help - then
I will have to write some debugging script to see, where exactly in
the code this problem occurs.

Regards, S.

[Therion] XTherion - Insert Image problem

[Duncan Collis]

Hi,  having a spot of bother with XTherion.

I'm using the latest developers snapshot on Win XP, and have the
following problem:

Using the 'Insert Image' menu item, when I select an image file, I
always get an error message:

couldn't read file "": no such file or directory

Where  is the path and filename I chose...

...well almost.  Backslashes turn into forwardslashes, and there is
always a character missing, so if I chose:
C:\images\file.png

I will see:
C:/mages/file.png

This used to work OK (within the past 12 months).  I haven't had any
need to insert any images of late (I already had several to trace), so
I'm not sure when it stopped working.

Duncan.

[Therion] xtherion not responding

[Jonathan Prouty]

It works perfectly now. Thankyou!

-Jonny

On 11/14/06, Stacho Mudrak  wrote:
>
> Could you please try running latest developement snapshot:
> http://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-20061020.tar.bz2
> I am not sure, but I have fixed some issues and I believe it will work.
>
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[Stacho Mudrak]

Duncan Collis wrote:

> I just started with Therion, so probably there will be many more
> questions...


I am looking forward :)

> Once I've dismissed the message, Xtherion seems to work fine, but it
> considerably delays opening the editor.  Is there any way I can tell
> Xtherion not to do this?


Not yet. I will add new option to xtherion.ini file in next release. But you 
can disable it very easily. Just comment out line 3293 in xtherion.tcl script.

Change
xth_ivc
to
# xth_ivc

and it should connect no more.

S.

[therion] Xtherion on MacOS X

[Thierry GONON]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

I use the following version of TeX , in fact a teTex version :
TeX (Web2C 7.5.2) 3.141592
kpathsea version 3.5.2
Copyright (C) 1997-2003 D.E. Knuth.
Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1997-2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

when I run mpost from command line, everything seem OK : it ask me for a file, 
indicating :
This is MetaPost, Version 0.641 (Web2C 7.5.2)
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/web2c/cp8bit.tcx)
**

Thierry


Le 3 mars 05, à 14:05, Stacho Mudrak a écrit :

>> It seem that I have a problem with metapost... Do you know this problem, and 
>> how I can solve it ??
>
>
> Which TeX distribution do you have installed?
>
> It looks, that therion is not able to run metapost. Are you able to run 
> "mpost" from command line?
>
> S.
>
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[therion] Xtherion on MacOS X

[Stacho Mudrak]

> It seem that I have a problem with metapost... Do you know this problem, and 
> how I can solve it ??


Which TeX distribution do you have installed?

It looks, that therion is not able to run metapost. Are you able to run "mpost" 
from command line?

S.

[therion] xtherion i18n

[Ladislav Blazek]

Stacho Mudrak napsal(a):

>> Ladislav Blazek wrote:
>
 Could you send me then development snapshot? I will create Czech
 translation.
>
>>
>> When I will have it  :) , I will put it on the web.


Aaah... sorry, I am little bit overworked. Maybe I can send you modified
Roman's file with Czech strings. L.

[therion] xtherion i18n

[Stacho Mudrak]

Ladislav Blazek wrote:

> Could you send me then development snapshot? I will create Czech translation.


When I will have it :) , I will put it on the web.

Regards, S.

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Skontrolované antivírovým programom NOD32

[therion] xtherion i18n

[Ladislav Blazek]

Stacho Mudrak napsal(a):

>> OK, after studying TclTk manuals a little bit, i18n is already there -
>> no additional packages are needed. All I need to do is to replace each
>> string with [mc ] and define .msg files for each
>> language.
>>
>> With your list of translated strings, it can be done very fast. I will
>> try to do it before weekend starts.


Could you send me then development snapshot? I will create Czech translation.

L.

[therion] xtherion i18n

[Roman Muñoz]

Thank you very much!

Roman


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:00:00 +0100
Stacho Mudrak  wrote:

>> OK, after studying TclTk manuals a little bit, i18n is already there -
>> no additional packages are needed. All I need to do is to replace each
>> string with [mc ] and define .msg files for each
>> language.
>>
>> With your list of translated strings, it can be done very fast. I will
>> try to do it before weekend starts.
>>
>> Regards, S.
>>
>> -=x=-
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>>