[tw] Re: [TW5] Feature Request: FramedLinksPlugin for TW5

2015-07-20 Thread TiddlyWiker


On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 10:05:57 PM UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:24:54 AM UTC-7, TiddlyWiker wrote:
>>
>> I have found the FramedLinksPlugin in tw classic very useful.
>>
>> Clicking an external link opens an IFRAME following the link instead of
>> opening a new tab/window.
>>
>> http://www.tiddlytools.com/#FramedLinksPlugin
>>
>> Is it possible to have the same plugin or a similar one for
>> TW5?
>>
>
> You can create a simple "framed link" using TW5 native syntax, without any 
> plugin.
>
> First, define the following TW5 macro:
> \define framedlink(url)
> <$button popup="$:/temp/framedlink/$url$" class="tc-btn-invisible">$url$<
> /$button>
> <$reveal type="nomatch" text="" state="$:/temp/framedlink/$url$">
> 
> 
> \end
>
> Then, invoke it like this:
>> 
>
> This creates a $button that, when clicked, $reveals the iframe.  Clicking 
> the $button text again hides the iframe.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
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Dear Eric,

Thanks a lot!  It worked like a charm.

I do have one question though. 

It seems the framedlink
in tiddlywiki classic and also here in TW5 both work for most urls.
but for some they don't work. for example:

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/

when I put it straight into a tiddler it
opens ok in the browser window.

But using the macro and the framed link

> 

it doesn't open in the tiddler. 

The same thing happens for the tiddlywiki classic 
version.

Is it some security issue?

Regards,

Tiddlywiker

 
 

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[tw] Re: [TW5]Updated Resume Builder and how polished should something be before putting it on github as a potential edition?

2015-07-20 Thread Sylvain Naudin


Le lundi 20 juillet 2015 02:16:19 UTC+2, Jed Carty a écrit :
>
> I have cleaned up the resume builder a bit and added a tool to help with 
> the creation of custom sections. Creating new sections still requires 
> knowledge of wikitext, but you shouldn't need to know anything about the 
> resume builder to add to it now.
>
> The demo is still here 
>  if you want see 
> the changes.
>

Hi Jed,

Happy to see your work in progress, for example Print window, and cleaned 
menu with only preview.

I've test to create new CV, or reuse Second Resume, but we can't complete 
field, there is no input, here a capture :



Best wishes,
Sylvain

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyMapTimelineResume - on TiddlySpot

2015-07-20 Thread Felix Küppers
Hi Alex,

> One of the reasons I like the TW and the community around it is that
> the activity is focused on making thinking tools.

Yes, good point.

> The viz.js additions, cover two critical dimensions to planning
> things: time and structure. They make it easier --- a lot easier -- to
> build up and keep on top of complex information. Concept map, Timeline
> and Wiki:  is there a more powerful combination?

I agree :)

> @Felix and Kixam - I would be wonderful 1) if a view from a map could
> be included in a timeline in a similar way to groupTags or groupFields
> 2) you could click on a timeline and create a tiddler from there with
> start date automatically added.

This is already possible. TiddlyMap stores all node filters of a view in
the following way (be aware that paths may change in the future):

 1. It creates a tiddler

$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/INSERTYOURVIEWNAMEHERE/filter/nodes
 2. And stores the tw-filter in a field called "filter".

Now you can use this filter and inject it in your timeline using the
widget's filter-attribute.


-Felix

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Re: [tw] PapaParse to Stream tiddlers into your TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Mat
Thanks for input Jeremy!

 

> https://github.com/wdavidw/node-csv 
> 
>

That library, and also your CSV-JSON hack, seem to be for node-js TW, but I 
see no mention of node-js in PapaParse - do you think it might work in 
vanilla TW?

 

> Accessing external URLs from a local HTML page is pretty much disabled by 
> browsers these days.
>

Hm, I was kind of assuming RSS was some type of exception (maybe using some 
ifram'ish mechanism but with a modifiable "parsing filter" inside). But 
what might PapaParse mean when they talks about download remote files 
 to parse then? Shared servers? (Would 
maybe e.g a tiddlyspot-to-tiddlyspot work, or because the TW is presented 
locally, it wouldn't?)


Can I make a simple copy-pasting into TW editor be automatically parsed 
>> into something nicer, when I save the tiddler? [...]
>>
>
> One could certainly imagine such a thing: a simple way to do it would be a 
> text box into which the user pastes their content with a "submit" button 
> that kicks off the conversion process. It's JS plugin territory, but 
> perfectly straightforward.
>

Great! This will be one of the things I'll try to create when I understand 
more about how to adopt scripts to work in TW.


we've already got a viable mechanism for client-side federation: the plugin 
> library.


Is there any place where I can read up on how this works in more detail? 
I'm too bad at coding to understand it that way. I know it's been discussed 
in the hangouts but it would be great if is some explanatory text that 
mentions it's key parts so that I can look at the code and identify them, 
and read what they actually do.

I'm guessing the plugin library only permits importing of tiddlers/plugins, 
right?
...And node-js individual tiddlers, at that, right?
...And is there some way to insert any url to such a tiddler and have it 
imported on command?


Thanks for your patience Jeremy. At least I think these may be issues of 
wider interest, at least if I or anyone can make prototypes to show what 
could be achieved. Talk about RSS, not to mention federation, has of course 
been up before but so far we haven't come very far from a user perspective, 
other than the plugin importing which, to a simple end user like, seems 
like a special case where it's difficult to understand the greater 
implications.


<:-)

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[tw] How does the HelloThere tiddler (http://tiddlywiki.com/) on work ?

2015-07-20 Thread nilshach
Hi,

The HelloThere tiddler on http://tiddlywiki.com/ has (among other things) a 
group of six images with links and a caption at the bottom. This is exactly 
what I want for my own wiki: grouping, images and links to tiddlers. I went 
into edit mode on http://tiddlywiki.com/ and it appears that actually 
another tiddler called HelloThumbnail is used to achieve this. This tiddler 
seems to use a series of other tiddlers, one for each of the images. I 
tried to reproduce this structure, but I seem to be unable to reproduce the 
effect (namely this group of images with links appearing in my tiddler). 
Can someone explain to me, how this is done on http://tiddlywiki.com/? I 
just dont't get it.

Thanks!

Nils

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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyChrome

2015-07-20 Thread Arlen Beiler
No, not really. But, yeah, that's the way it works for now.
-Arlen

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 4:27 PM, RickL  wrote:

> External links do not work...that is, I can't click on a link and have it
> open in Chrome. I can drag the link to a chrome window and open it.  Is
> this the way it should be working?
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 12:57:53 PM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> Was working on a project and once again wished that chrome would save
>> files to disk. Well, to make a long story short, here it is. Inspired by
>> TiddlyFox, but I needed to use a Chrome Packaged App. So this will work
>> with Google Chrome, and it might also work with Chrome OS, I have no clue.
>> Regardless, here it is and feel free to email me if you have questions. It
>> is really an alpha version, so use it at your own risk.
>> -Arlen
>>
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[tw] Re: How does the HelloThere tiddler (http://tiddlywiki.com/) on work ?

2015-07-20 Thread nilshach
Ah, I forgot: both tiddlywikis (on http://tiddlywiki.com/ and mine) are 
version 5.1.9. So software versions cannot cause a different behavior. But 
maybe plugins do?!?

Am Montag, 20. Juli 2015 14:20:11 UTC+2 schrieb nils...@googlemail.com:
>
> Hi,
>
> The HelloThere tiddler on http://tiddlywiki.com/ has (among other things) 
> a group of six images with links and a caption at the bottom. This is 
> exactly what I want for my own wiki: grouping, images and links to 
> tiddlers. I went into edit mode on http://tiddlywiki.com/ and it appears 
> that actually another tiddler called HelloThumbnail is used to achieve 
> this. This tiddler seems to use a series of other tiddlers, one for each of 
> the images. I tried to reproduce this structure, but I seem to be unable to 
> reproduce the effect (namely this group of images with links appearing in 
> my tiddler). Can someone explain to me, how this is done on 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/? I just dont't get it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Nils
>

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[tw] Chrome extension - Downloads Overwrite Existing Files

2015-07-20 Thread Philippe Renders
Hi everyone, 

I am just trying to find a solution to use TW5 on a chromebook.  

I didn't succeed with Tiddlychrome of Arlen Beiler.  Just got a long name 
each time I save my TW 
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/downloads-overwrite-exist/fkomnceojfhfkgjgcijfahmgeljomcfk
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/downloads-overwrite-exist/fkomnceojfhfkgjgcijfahmgeljomcfkand
 
a JavaScript error if I set the saver tiddler content type as JavaScript.

So I installed the chrome extension called 'Downloads Overwrite Existing 
Files'

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/downloads-overwrite-exist/fkomnceojfhfkgjgcijfahmgeljomcfk

Working great so far.  I will see the consequences on other downloads.

Hope it helps.

Philippe Renders

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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyChrome

2015-07-20 Thread RickL
Still a huge improvement...thanks for your work!

On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 8:20:21 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> No, not really. But, yeah, that's the way it works for now.
> -Arlen
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 4:27 PM, RickL > 
> wrote:
>
>> External links do not work...that is, I can't click on a link and have it 
>> open in Chrome. I can drag the link to a chrome window and open it.  Is 
>> this the way it should be working?
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 12:57:53 PM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, 
>>> Was working on a project and once again wished that chrome would save 
>>> files to disk. Well, to make a long story short, here it is. Inspired by 
>>> TiddlyFox, but I needed to use a Chrome Packaged App. So this will work 
>>> with Google Chrome, and it might also work with Chrome OS, I have no clue. 
>>> Regardless, here it is and feel free to email me if you have questions. It 
>>> is really an alpha version, so use it at your own risk.
>>> -Arlen
>>>
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Re: [tw] PapaParse to Stream tiddlers into your TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mat

>
> That library, and also your CSV-JSON hack, seem to be for node-js TW, but
> I see no mention of node-js in PapaParse - do you think it might work in
> vanilla TW?
>

I'd expect both libraries to work in browser and Node.js; there's no
fundamental reason why not.

Accessing external URLs from a local HTML page is pretty much disabled by
>> browsers these days.
>>
>
> Hm, I was kind of assuming RSS was some type of exception (maybe using
> some ifram'ish mechanism but with a modifiable "parsing filter" inside).
> But what might PapaParse mean when they talks about download remote files
>  to parse then? Shared servers?
> (Would maybe e.g a tiddlyspot-to-tiddlyspot work, or because the TW is
> presented locally, it wouldn't?)
>

I would imagine that PapaParse will be using XMLHttpRequest to download
remote files; if so, it will be subject to the same security issues when
used from a file:// URI.


> Is there any place where I can read up on how this works in more detail?
> I'm too bad at coding to understand it that way. I know it's been discussed
> in the hangouts but it would be great if is some explanatory text that
> mentions it's key parts so that I can look at the code and identify them,
> and read what they actually do.
>

The best place to start might be the original commit; you can see here the
various components that were added to make the plugin library work.

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/8643278a452d1a300cec8d3425c1b18699a17dca

Do beware, though: many of those files were changed in subsequent commits.

There's also this batch script that is used to actually build the library:

https://github.com/Jermolene/build.jermolene.github.io/blob/master/make-library-bld.sh


> I'm guessing the plugin library only permits importing of
> tiddlers/plugins, right?
>

It's for listing and importing tiddlers; those tiddlers happen to be
plugins, but they aren't required to be.


> ...And node-js individual tiddlers, at that, right?
>

The plugin library can actually return more than one tiddler if it wants
(eg to handle dependencies)


> ...And is there some way to insert any url to such a tiddler and have it
> imported on command?
>

No, that's the point that we keep coming back to: there's no general way
for an HTML file running on a file:// URI to retrieve data from the web.


> Thanks for your patience Jeremy. At least I think these may be issues of
> wider interest, at least if I or anyone can make prototypes to show what
> could be achieved. Talk about RSS, not to mention federation, has of course
> been up before but so far we haven't come very far from a user perspective,
> other than the plugin importing which, to a simple end user like, seems
> like a special case where it's difficult to understand the greater
> implications.
>

I need more time to work on the federation stuff...

Best wishes

Jeremy.



The best


>
>
> <:-)
>



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[tw] Re: [TW5] Feature Request: FramedLinksPlugin for TW5

2015-07-20 Thread Eric Shulman
On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:05:48 AM UTC-7, TiddlyWiker wrote:
>
> It seems the framedlink
> in tiddlywiki classic and also here in TW5 both work for most urls.
> but for some they don't work. for example:
> http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/
> when I put it straight into a tiddler it
> opens ok in the browser window.
> But using the macro and the framed link
> > 
> it doesn't open in the tiddler. 
> The same thing happens for the tiddlywiki classic 
> version.
> Is it some security issue?
>

Some sites are written to specifically detect and exclude display in a 
iframe.  This is most common for "portal" sites, search engines, and 
media/news sites that monetize your eyeballs with banner ads and such. 
 They don't want their site to be embedded on someone else's page because 
then they can't control the overall viewing experience, and thus can't 
ensure the context in which their advertiser's content will appear.

-e

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[tw] Re: How does the HelloThere tiddler (http://tiddlywiki.com/) on work ?

2015-07-20 Thread Sylvain Naudin
Hello,

It's not just a HelloThumbnail tiddler, it's filter on this tag ;)

You can search "HelloThumbnail" on search bar, and you will see the 
tiddlers.

Si if you import :
HelloThumbnail - Classic
HelloThumbnail - Developers
HelloThumbnail - Gentle Guide
HelloThumbnail - HelpingTiddlyWiki
HelloThumbnail - Introduction Video
HelloThumbnail - Latest Version
You can view content.

And have  look on those tiddler to find image ans URL link.

Hope this help.
Sylvain

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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyChrome

2015-07-20 Thread Anton Aylward
Experimenting ...
I find that if you drag-n-drop to the top of the extension list it fails.
If you do it to the bottom of the list it works.

Now, on to the next problem save doesn't work... doesn't work ... 
doesn’t work ...

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 7:21:47 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Try downloading it to your computer first and then drag it in. Let me know 
> if this works.
> -Arlen
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 7:02 AM, RickL > 
> wrote:
>
>> This sounds like a great new tool but I can't get the installation to 
>> work.  Probably something simple but need some guidance.
>> When I drag the crx file to the chrome//:extensions page I get the 
>> following error
>>
>> "Apps, extensions and user scriptscannot be added from this website."
>>
>> I am  on a Windows PC with Chrome browser.
>> Need help to install. 
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2015 at 10:17:18 PM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>
>>> Make sure you have the saver tiddler in the tiddlywiki. It won't 
>>> actually take effect till you save it and reopen it. Second, make sure you 
>>> open it from the Chrome Apps list,  not just in a regular tab.
>>> On Jul 14, 2015 4:34 PM, "Andy Pastuszak"  wrote:
>>>
 This is not working for me.  When I click the save button it's 
 prompting me to download a file with a really long GUID that changes each 
 time.

 Andy

 On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 12:57:53 PM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, 
> Was working on a project and once again wished that chrome would save 
> files to disk. Well, to make a long story short, here it is. Inspired by 
> TiddlyFox, but I needed to use a Chrome Packaged App. So this will work 
> with Google Chrome, and it might also work with Chrome OS, I have no 
> clue. 
> Regardless, here it is and feel free to email me if you have questions. 
> It 
> is really an alpha version, so use it at your own risk.
> -Arlen
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[tw] How is a javascript modified to run in TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Mat
I find a lot of interesting javascripts I'd like to try out and study, but 
I find next to no information on how to adapt scripts to work in TW.

Has anyone attempted to make an automatic convertor for this? Input 
javascript output tiddlyfied javascript? Or is it trivial and no special 
conditions or exceptions once you have the javascript?

And, actually, I never quite understood why it was on the one hand decided 
to disable straight in pasting of javascripts but at the same time it *is* 
possible to re-make them to work. Is it just to introduce a *threshold* so 
it won't be *too* easy for someone malicious to pop by with a script saying 
"here, run this on your TW, it's great"?


Thank you!

<:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyChrome

2015-07-20 Thread Anton Aylward
Here I go what?
What am I supposed to do with this .js file?

I've got the App loaded as an extension (but there don't seem to be any 
controls/parameters I can adjust)


On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 7:19:59 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
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> Ok, here you go.
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:12 AM, Danielo Rodríguez  > wrote:
>
>> Hello Arlen,
>>
>> I suggest you to add the following snippet to the top  of your saver 
>> module
>>
>> /*\
>> title: $:/plugins/Arlen/Chrome/saver.js
>> type: application/javascript
>> module-type: saver
>>
>>
>> That way your code will be automatically recognized by TW as a saver 
>> module and you will save your users the step to change the module-type 
>> manually, just drag and drop.
>>
>> Regards
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[tw] Re: How is a javascript modified to run in TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Sylvain Naudin


Le lundi 20 juillet 2015 18:14:16 UTC+2, Mat a écrit :
>
> I find a lot of interesting javascripts I'd like to try out and study, but 
> I find next to no information on how to adapt scripts to work in TW.
>

+1
I have the same question :)
Sylvain

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[tw] Tiddlywiki fields

2015-07-20 Thread hupo
Where can I find information on creating/using my own fields in tiddlywiki?

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[tw] Re: How is a javascript modified to run in TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Sorry for being so direct, but if you want a direct converter to adapt random 
javascript to tiddlywiky maybe you should forget about using that snippet in 
tiddlywiky. Tiddlywiky is not a website, it is an application, and as every 
application if you want to add "code" to it you have to use its API. Could you 
imagine someone asking for a converter to adapt random php snippets to 
dokuwiki? The fact that tiddlywiky uses javascript does not make it different 
from any other program. If you want to program to tiddlywiky you have to know 
and understand how tiddlywiky works and write code specifically for it. 

The place to test random javascript snippets is an html page as simple as 
possible. 

Having such "converter" will cause more damage than benefits. 

In the worst case you can use the raw markup tag. 

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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyChrome

2015-07-20 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
The js file is a saver module for TiddlyWiki. Just drop it into your wiki. Is 
clearly stated at the first post. 

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[tw] Tiddlywiki fields

2015-07-20 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Do you mean adding a field to a new tiddler or make every new tiddler have a 
concrete set of fields? Have you searched in the group? 

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[tw] Re: Tiddlywiki fields

2015-07-20 Thread Jed Carty
I have a tiny bit written about it here 
, 
but you are asking for something really vague. If you have something more 
specific than I would be happy to help but for what you are asking the 
answer is just add fields at the bottom of the edit view of a tiddler and 
then reference them using text references 
.

There isn't really any comprehensive guide to starting with tiddlywiki yet. 
Some are being worked on, but for the moment none exist.

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Re: [tw] Re: How is a javascript modified to run in TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Felix Küppers
Hi guys,

I agree with all what Danielo said.

TiddlyWiki cannot be compared to a normal website where all you need to
do is just reference a javascript file and it works. As Danielo said, TW
is more like a program.

-Felix

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> Sorry for being so direct, but if you want a direct converter to adapt random 
> javascript to tiddlywiky maybe you should forget about using that snippet in 
> tiddlywiky. Tiddlywiky is not a website, it is an application, and as every 
> application if you want to add "code" to it you have to use its API. Could 
> you imagine someone asking for a converter to adapt random php snippets to 
> dokuwiki? The fact that tiddlywiky uses javascript does not make it different 
> from any other program. If you want to program to tiddlywiky you have to know 
> and understand how tiddlywiky works and write code specifically for it. 
>
> The place to test random javascript snippets is an html page as simple as 
> possible. 
>
> Having such "converter" will cause more damage than benefits. 
>
> In the worst case you can use the raw markup tag. 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5]Updated Resume Builder and how polished should something be before putting it on github as a potential edition?

2015-07-20 Thread Jed Carty
Oh, yes. There weren't any default settings for new resumes. I updated it 
so that new resumes have the default settings for visibility and ordering. 
Also the print view should be slightly improved. I put up a pdf showing 
sample output here 
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[tw] Tiddlywiki on e-reader kobo h2o

2015-07-20 Thread Danielo Rodríguez



Can you see the attached pictures?


Yes, it is tiddlywiki running on an e-reader. Specifically the Kobo aura 
h2o. It works reasonably well. This is the full tiddlywiki.com site, so 
smaller tiddlywikis without images should work even better. Scrolling is a 
bit slow, but every button and component works as expected.





This was the only serious drawback, searching:



At the end, searching worked, but after typing the first "t" it took the 
browser ten seconds to allow me typing the second character. That is 
ridiculous. Do we really need to search a single character in a wiki full 
of text? I can't see anyone doing that, I never did. Every search engine on 
every application/website I know limits the search to be at least three 
characters long. Maybe we can start at two, but seriously one character is 
ridiculous and it is useless in 99% of situations. The benefits are non 
existent and it causes enough performance issues in such big number of 
platforms to consider it.

Regards.

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Re: [tw] Re: How is a javascript modified to run in TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Sylvain Naudin
OK guys ;)

But question is "on how to adapt scripts to work in TW". So if I'm wrong, 
vis.js is a JavaScrip library, and work now in TiddlyWiki. There are other 
examples sure, no ?


Cheers,
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[tw] Re: PapaParse to Stream tiddlers into your TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Hello Mat,

I really like your enthusiast but, are you conscious of how many things 
have you proposed? Some times looks like you are victim of a good marketing 
department of certain libraries.

the thing you are currently proposing sounds particularly impossible. From 
your description you want to paste some text into a tiddler and it should 
be auto-magically turned into what you expect. How do you think any program 
or person could do that? Let's make a mental experiment: If you give a 
person a text, that you have copied from somewhere and ask that person to 
format it properly, do you think that person will know how to do it? How 
would he/she know that you want tabs to be a table? what if for some 
content you prefer a list? Can you see what I mean? You should tell that 
person/program how to interpret each piece of text. Parsing and 
interpreting text is tied to a specific set of rules, and you have to tell 
to the program that applies that rules which rules it should use. This is 
how the parser mechanims of tiddlywiki works, and I think it works very 
well, but you have to specify the type of text (tidddlytext,json,image) in 
order to use the appropriate parser.

In the other hand, instead of asking for a new cool thing, have you though 
if this is possible already in some way? Do you know my keyboard-snippets 
plugin? If you paste a tab separated text into a tiddler, selects that text 
and hit alt+t and you will have a nice table. The same for alt+k and code 
snippets. And since it is configurable, you can create any kind of rule to 
make any think you want. Give it a try, it is cool:
http://braintest.tiddlyspot.com/#keyboard-snippets



Please don't understand this the bad way, I really love your ideas, and you 
give a lot to the community. It's just this does not sounds doable.

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[tw] Re: How is a javascript modified to run in TW?

2015-07-20 Thread PMario
Hi Mat,

On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 6:14:16 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> I find a lot of interesting javascripts I'd like to try out and study, but 
> I find next to no information on how to adapt scripts to work in TW.
>

I'm not exactly sure, what you need, because it depends on your existing JS 
skills. So I'd like to point out some resources, that may be useful and 
I'll start at the beginning: 

The JavaScript language itself: 

  - IMO Marijn Haverbeke wrote a "interactive" js book. 

- It explains the basics. 
- It talks about JS in the browser
- and it talks about JS for nodejs. 

The cool thing here is, that the code examples are editable see: 
http://eloquentjavascript.net/01_values.html#p_GyQlmgK5IK If you click the 
code below the text and hit  it executes it. So you can nicely 
play with the examples. .. There is a menu top right of the editor. (I 
didn't read the second edition, but I did skim most of the first one and I 
liked what I saw)

So it basically discusses all elements we use in TW. ... We use all of 
them. So reading *and understanding *(examples) the stuff there will help a 
lot. 
 

> Has anyone attempted to make an automatic convertor for this? 
>

No. 

Code found on the internet is mainly written for HTML pages, where one 
library opens one instance of a function. With TW most of the time we need 
to be able to initialize many instances of a desired function, so the 
mechanism is slightly different than shown in most of the examples found in 
the web. 

This makes using libraries a little bit different. ... but the mechanism, 
that is used is always the same. (see chapter 10 Modules in the book) .. 
Warning: Don't start reading there, if you are new to JS. (It will be 
frustrating) Start at the beginning!
 

> Input javascript output tiddlyfied javascript? Or is it trivial and no 
> special conditions or exceptions once you have the javascript?
>

TiddlyWiki has a philosophy how external libraries are included. ... The 
main difference here is, that libraries in TW are not hardcoded, like for 
all other HTML pages. Users are able to dynamically import plugins. Save 
the TW. Reload and the plugins have to work. So TW uses a very opinionated 
mechanism, that is not trivial. ... BUT it is always the same. So if you 
understand it once, you should be fine. 

See TW developer doc and I'm sorry ... The TW source code itself :/
 

> And, actually, I never quite understood why it was on the one hand decided 
> to disable straight in pasting of javascripts but at the same time it *is* 
> possible to re-make them to work.
>

imo 3 reasons:

 First: security. 
 Second: dynamically installable plugins. 
 Third: security!

Trust me. You don't want to enable script tags in tiddlers. ... You really 
don't. 
 

> Is it just to introduce a *threshold* so it won't be *too* easy for 
> someone malicious to pop by with a script saying "here, run this on your 
> TW, it's great"?
>

No, it's not just security. 
TW needs to be able to initialize many instances of the same code in a 
defined way: aka Widgets. Otherwise we break the automatic refresh 
mechanism. 



IMO, the easiest way to play with JS in TW imo is with javascript macros: 
see: http://tiddlywiki.com/dev/#JavaScript%20Macros  and 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/core/modules/macros

You should be able to build your own TW with nodejs if you want to play 
with it. You can do almost everything within js macro code, except the 
widget stuff. 

Developer tools: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Tools  ... Have a 
closer look at: *Exploring and debugging* tools. They are very similar in 
Chrome and even IE. So use the browser of your choice. ... console.log() is 
your friend for debugging your own stuff. 

The developer doc is at: http://tiddlywiki.com/dev/ ... It should give you 
some more info about the core internals. 

While I'm sure, I'm opening more questions than I answered, I still hope 
this helps.

have fun!
mario


 


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Re: [tw] Re: How is a javascript modified to run in TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Felix Küppers
Hi Sylvain,

> But question is "on how to adapt scripts to work in TW".

You are correct, but in this case there is no general answer. Also, I am
not aware of a tutorial on how to write plugins... maybe something like
this exists somewhere.

-Felix

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[tw] Re: How is a javascript modified to run in TW?

2015-07-20 Thread BJ


On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 5:14:16 PM UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> I find a lot of interesting javascripts I'd like to try out and study, but 
> I find next to no information on how to adapt scripts to work in TW.
>
> Has anyone attempted to make an automatic convertor for this? Input 
> javascript output tiddlyfied javascript? Or is it trivial and no special 
> conditions or exceptions once you have the javascript?
>
> And, actually, I never quite understood why it was on the one hand decided 
> to disable straight in pasting of javascripts but at the same time it *is* 
> possible to re-make them to work. Is it just to introduce a *threshold* 
> so it won't be *too* easy for someone malicious to pop by with a script 
> saying "here, run this on your TW, it's great"?
>
> If inline javascipt is enable that any tiddler with html tags containing 
javascript will run that javascript. As tidlywiki allow you to select part 
of a webpage and drag it into your tiddlywiki then any javascript in that 
part of that webpage will run in your tiddlywiki - DISASTER!  

> R
> Thank you!
>
> <:-)
>
>

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Re: [tw] PapaParse to Stream tiddlers into your TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Mat
Jeremy, thanks for your replies. Things are a bit clearer now and I know 
where to dig :-)

Just regarding.

I need more time to work on the federation stuff...


I'll ask, because federation will probably have such big consequences for 
the whole TW project: Are there any parts in this that you think others 
might have capabilities of working on? Is there any particular problem that 
needs solving?

Thank you!

<:-)

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[tw] Re: PapaParse to Stream tiddlers into your TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Mat
Danielo Rodríguez wrote;
>
> I really like your enthusiast but, are you conscious of how many things 
> have you proposed? Some times looks like you are victim of a good marketing 
> department of certain libraries.
>

;-)
 
But o*f course* the parsing would be tied to a set of rules? That is 
exactly what parsing *is*, no? "Read from left to right, if you hit this 
character, do this, if you hit this string, to that". I have not said or 
even implied anything else, have I? Or do I misunderstand what you are 
referring to?

 

> http://braintest.tiddlyspot.com/#keyboard-snippets 
> 
>

Thank you Danielo! From looking at it briefly I can tell I will for sure 
start to use this right away!!! :-)

<:-)

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[tw] Re: How is a javascript modified to run in TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Mat
Guys, thanks for your thoughts and explanations. Obviously, particularly 
thanks to Mario 


PMario wrote:
 

>   - IMO Marijn Haverbeke wrote a "interactive" js book. 
> 
>

Excellent! And great with the editable interactivity to try out stuff!!!


Code found on the internet is mainly written for HTML pages, where one 
> library opens one instance of a function. With TW most of the time we need 
> to be able to initialize many instances of a desired function, so the 
> mechanism is slightly different than shown in most of the examples found in 
> the web. 


Is this what @Danielo refers to with "Tiddlywiky is not a website, it is an 
application, and as every application if you want to add "code" to it you 
have to use its API" ?


Great thanks for the clarifications and the links

<:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyChrome

2015-07-20 Thread Arlen Beiler
Hi Everyone,
I uploaded the source to GitHub. https://github.com/Arlen22/tiddly-chrome
I decided to release it into the Public Domain. In places where there is no
such thing, anyone can do anything with it without attribution or licensing
restrictions.
-Arlen

All for Jesus.

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> The js file is a saver module for TiddlyWiki. Just drop it into your wiki.
> Is clearly stated at the first post.
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[tw] Re: Tiddlywiki on e-reader kobo h2o

2015-07-20 Thread Mat
Aha!

Check out the youtube chanel Good E-reader 
. I found them just some 
weeks ago because, it seems, like you I want a e-ink tablet for TW. I'm 
hoping to have one on the wall e.g in the kitchen so to have my "household 
TW" immediately accessible. My impression is that so far they're not good 
enough but I may be wrong. I asked Good E-reader to do more reviews on the 
browser features, a typically weak area on these things from what I've seen.

For anyone who doesn't know; the benefit with e-readers (using e-ink or 
similar) is that it uses almost no electricity when it shows a static image 
(like the typical TW). This means you can leave it on almost permanently.
 
<:-)



On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 8:18:33 PM UTC+2, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
>
> Can you see the attached pictures?
>
>
> Yes, it is tiddlywiki running on an e-reader. Specifically the Kobo aura 
> h2o. It works reasonably well. This is the full tiddlywiki.com site, so 
> smaller tiddlywikis without images should work even better. Scrolling is a 
> bit slow, but every button and component works as expected.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> This was the only serious drawback, searching:
>
>
> 
>
> At the end, searching worked, but after typing the first "t" it took the 
> browser ten seconds to allow me typing the second character. That is 
> ridiculous. Do we really need to search a single character in a wiki full 
> of text? I can't see anyone doing that, I never did. Every search engine on 
> every application/website I know limits the search to be at least three 
> characters long. Maybe we can start at two, but seriously one character is 
> ridiculous and it is useless in 99% of situations. The benefits are non 
> existent and it causes enough performance issues in such big number of 
> platforms to consider it.
>
> Regards.
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Re: [tw] How is a javascript modified to run in TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Alex Hough
Great thread guys...
Very useful Mario.

Alex

On Monday, 20 July 2015, Mat  wrote:

> Guys, thanks for your thoughts and explanations. Obviously, particularly
> thanks to Mario
>
>
> PMario wrote:
>
>
>>   - IMO Marijn Haverbeke wrote a "interactive" js book.
>> 
>>
>
> Excellent! And great with the editable interactivity to try out stuff!!!
>
>
> Code found on the internet is mainly written for HTML pages, where one
>> library opens one instance of a function. With TW most of the time we need
>> to be able to initialize many instances of a desired function, so the
>> mechanism is slightly different than shown in most of the examples found in
>> the web.
>
>
> Is this what @Danielo refers to with "Tiddlywiky is not a website, it is
> an application, and as every application if you want to add "code" to it
> you have to use its API" ?
>
>
> Great thanks for the clarifications and the links
>
> <:-)
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[tw] Tiddlyweb and Tiddlyspace plugin

2015-07-20 Thread Andy Pastuszak
The Tiddlyweb and Tiddlyspace plugin states:

"This plugin runs in the browser to synchronise tiddler changes to and from 
a TiddlyWeb-compatible server (including TiddlyWiki 5 itself). It is inert 
when run under Node.js."

Does this mean I can put a TW5 file on my web server at home and I can have 
a local copy and sync the two?

Andy

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[tw] Re: Tiddlywiki fields

2015-07-20 Thread hupo
Yes, it is  vague. Let's see if I can "unvague" it.
On opening a tiddler and pressing the "more" button I get what is called a 
"fields" button.
It seems like something useful and I want to know how to use it.
You mentioned an "add a new field" at the bottom of the tiddler (in edit 
mode) and I don't see such an option.
I can add tags which I do but that is all.
Is there a global on/off switch for adding fields?

On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 8:06:04 PM UTC+3, hupo wrote:
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> Where can I find information on creating/using my own fields in tiddlywiki?
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Re: [tw] How is a javascript modified to run in TW?

2015-07-20 Thread BJ
I think the best way to learn is to try. If you have some (even vague) idea 
of what you would like to add then ask about that. T

On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 11:22:08 PM UTC+1, AlexHough wrote:
>
> Great thread guys...
> Very useful Mario. 
>
> Alex
>
> On Monday, 20 July 2015, Mat > wrote:
>
>> Guys, thanks for your thoughts and explanations. Obviously, particularly 
>> thanks to Mario 
>>
>>
>> PMario wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>   - IMO Marijn Haverbeke wrote a "interactive" js book. 
>>> 
>>>
>>
>> Excellent! And great with the editable interactivity to try out stuff!!!
>>
>>
>> Code found on the internet is mainly written for HTML pages, where one 
>>> library opens one instance of a function. With TW most of the time we need 
>>> to be able to initialize many instances of a desired function, so the 
>>> mechanism is slightly different than shown in most of the examples found in 
>>> the web. 
>>
>>
>> Is this what @Danielo refers to with "Tiddlywiky is not a website, it is 
>> an application, and as every application if you want to add "code" to it 
>> you have to use its API" ?
>>
>>
>> Great thanks for the clarifications and the links
>>
>> <:-)
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[tw] Re: How is a javascript modified to run in TW?

2015-07-20 Thread Sylvain Naudin
Yep thanks for this Mario, I've bookmarked this thread to read it later.

Sylvain

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[tw] Re: Tiddlywiki fields

2015-07-20 Thread Jed Carty
Oh, it sounds like you are using tiddlywiki classic. If you are just 
starting to use tiddlywiki you should probably use the never version 
(TiddlyWiki 5), you can get it here . 
The new version is in many ways easier to use and there is active 
development for it.

If for some reason you do want to continue using the older version than I 
am afraid that I can't be much help because I didn't use it much. Someone 
else in the group here could probably help though.

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