date:20150722

Every tiddlywiki html file has the license at the top. That license says it
applies to the entire file. Since tiddlywiki is a single file than it means
that the license applies to all modifications and content added to the wiki. On
github where the files are separate than having separate licenses isn't a
problem because that is how software licenses normally work, but once the html
file is created than either the license at the top is meaningless or it applies
to the whole file including all the tiddlers and the content. This is the part
that the licenses aren't designed to handle.

With normal code separate modules can be separate files and you can link to our
call functions from one without affecting the license. What tiddlywiki does
mixes the code together which, in all the instances I have seen, counts as a
modification of the bsd code making the result fall under the bsd license.

This isn't a problem with the idea of licensing, it is a problem with this
situation not being addressed by the specific licenses. Up until you create the
html file there isn't any problem, but once the html file is created the entire
thing, including all tiddler content, has a bsd license because it is the base
tiddlywiki code with modifications. For anything in the base tiddlywiki code
and most plugins or editions, this is fine. If see were to make an edition for
a portfolio website for writers than any of their writing that they add to the
site would be part of the html file which gives it the bsd license.

As an example, my site the images are hosted on the server and aren't part of
the wiki so they aren't affected by the bad license, but the posts and anything
else on the site is part of the wiki, which automatically applies the bsd
license because it is a modification of the tiddlywiki code. For the resume
builder the edition itself is under the same license as the rest of tiddlywiki,
this is what I want. I would like to extend it to be a resume /portfolio site
(like LinkedIn, but not useless and evil). The problem is that any content on
this site would be under the bsd license and most people I have asked about
this have said that they didn't want their resume released under those terms.

I think that the ideas behind the bsd license fit very well with what
tiddlywiki is and we may be able to get help making a flavor of the license
that fits our case, but the current one doesn't.
The result you are talking about is exactly how we would want this to work but
just writing that some portion of the code (because as a quine there is no
distinction between code and content) isn't subject to the license doesn't work
or licenses in general would be meaningless.

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[tw] Re: How combine string with evaluated value for a parameter value?

2015-07-22 Thread Eric Shulman

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:35:10 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:

How does one concatenate a string and a calculated value (e.g a macro or a
transclusion)?

For example this doesn't work:

$set name=url value=http://foo.com/#:;currentTiddler

$set name=url value=http://foo.com/#:currentTiddler

Doc on the setwidget http://tiddlywiki.com/#SetWidgetdoesn't make this
clear. Nor does other places (ex
http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Variables%20vs.%20Parameters). The issue
is of course not specific for the setwidget but it is a bit ironic
specifically for the setwidget as this, from what I understand, is used for
avoiding these difficulties.

The $set widget only *stores* the value specified, it doesn't know how to
assemble values from individual parts. That's what macros are for:
assembling and returning compound text strings.

To accomplish your goal, you can define a macro to concatenate the current
tiddler title to the end of the string, and then assign the result using
the $set widget.

Something like this:
\define makeurl(u) $u$$currentTiddler$
$set name=url value=makeurl http://foo.com/#:;
...
/$set

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[tw] Re: [TW5]Updated Resume Builder and how polished should something be before putting it on github as a potential edition?

Thank you Mario! 

I often forget about this like versioning and that not everyone has the same 
setup I do. Hopefully I will be able to get the resume builder to work with 
some online service or javascript library to create the pdfs.

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[tw] Re: How combine string with evaluated value for a parameter value?

2015-07-22 Thread Eric Shulman

correction:

currentTiddler is a variable, not a macro parameter.  Thus, instead of 
$currentTiddler$ it should be $(currentTiddler)$

like this:

 \define makeurl(u) $u$$(currentTiddler)$
 $set name=url value=makeurl http://foo.com/#:;
 ...
 /$set


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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, licensing and creative works

And for the link, it should work again. I really need to remember to now 
have the same tiddlywiki open in multiple tabs. Luckly Tiddlyspot has 
automatic backups. 
http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#Thoughts%20about%20TiddlyWiki%20and%20Licensing

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[tw] Re: How combine string with evaluated value for a parameter value?

If you want some more examples I have some here 
http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#Concatenating%20text%20to%20make%20dynamic%20URLs

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[tw] Re: external link in same tab/window

2015-07-22 Thread Rustem

You may want to check out Session Manager
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/session-manager/ instead.
For everything else tab-related, I use keyconfig
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=72994. Keyconfig is the
reason I am with FF all the way. No other browser for me.

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 1:53:07 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 10:47:26 AM UTC+2, PMario wrote:

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 10:28:25 AM UTC+2, Rustem wrote:

Mario, my question is how to open one in the *same* tab where my TW is.
External links open in a *new* tab by default, because of this line in
extlink.js
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmodules%2Fparsers%2Fwikiparser%2Frules%2Fextlink.js
:

That's exactly what my link does (the fixed one). At least with my
browser settings.

Which browser do you use? Do you use any addOn, extension, that changes
default browser behaviour for external links clicks?

I'm wrong, you are right. ... I'm using an addOn myself, that changes the
browser behaviour. But I mainly use it because of its session backup
features. So I forgot about the click behaviour change :)

I'm using FF with Tab Mix Plus addOn. ... This may be an option, for you
too, if you use FF

-mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5]Updated Resume Builder and how polished should something be before putting it on github as a potential edition?

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 1:39:29 AM UTC+2, Jed Carty wrote:

 I made a screencast showing how to use the resume builder here 
 https://youtu.be/KH5tP8PfvlI. Hopefully it is useful.


Well done. Great stuff! 
Both the edition and the video :)
-m 

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[tw] Re: external link in same tab/window

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 10:12:09 AM UTC+2, PMario wrote:

 [ext[tiddlywiki.com]]


uups. imo should be

[ext[http://tiddlywiki.com]]

-m

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[tw] Re: external link in same tab/window

Hi,

[ext[tiddlywiki.com]]

see: http://tiddlywiki.com/#Linking%20in%20WikiText

-m

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[tw] Re: external link in same tab/window

2015-07-22 Thread Rustem



Mario, my question is how to open one in the *same* tab where my TW is. 
External links open in a *new* tab by default, because of this line in 
extlink.js 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmodules%2Fparsers%2Fwikiparser%2Frules%2Fextlink.js
:


target: {type: string, value: _blank}

I suspect there is no way, but maybe I missed it…

Your example, BTW, produces a strange result - an empty tab.

—R

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 1:12:09 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:

Hi,

 [ext[tiddlywiki.com]]

 see: http://tiddlywiki.com/#Linking%20in%20WikiText

 -m



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[tw] Re: [TW5]Updated Resume Builder and how polished should something be before putting it on github as a potential edition?

Hi Jed,

Just watched your video. .. I have some suggestions.

- As users start to use this edition, it may be useful that you assign your
own version number. So it is possible, to identify different versions,
which makes support easier.

- For TW we use Semantic Versioning http://semver.org/. with a little
twist. ... We started with 5.1.0 for stable version 1.0 of TW

The mechanism in short is like this.

- Format: Major. Minor. Patch

- If you publish a new version on your download page, no matter how small
the change is, you increase the Patch number by one. eg: bug fixes, typos,
...
- If you add a new feature. - Minor + 1
- Breaking change. - Major + 1

Version: 0.2.5 ... means beta
Version: 1.0.0. ... first stable version

This may help you with your question:
*how polished should something be before putting it on github as a
potential edition?*
-

IMO there should be some info, that you need a PDF printer driver, to
create PDFs. At the moment it looks like, if the edition can directly
create PDFs, which imo is not the case atm.

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: external link in same tab/window

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 10:28:25 AM UTC+2, Rustem wrote:

 Mario, my question is how to open one in the *same* tab where my TW is. 
 External links open in a *new* tab by default, because of this line in 
 extlink.js 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmodules%2Fparsers%2Fwikiparser%2Frules%2Fextlink.js
 :

That's exactly what my link does (the fixed one). At least with my browser 
settings. 

Which browser do you use? Do you use any addOn, extension, that changes 
default browser behaviour for external links clicks?

-mario


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[tw] Re: external link in same tab/window


On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 10:47:26 AM UTC+2, PMario wrote:

 On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 10:28:25 AM UTC+2, Rustem wrote:

 Mario, my question is how to open one in the *same* tab where my TW is. 
 External links open in a *new* tab by default, because of this line in 
 extlink.js 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmodules%2Fparsers%2Fwikiparser%2Frules%2Fextlink.js
 :

 That's exactly what my link does (the fixed one). At least with my browser 
 settings. 

 Which browser do you use? Do you use any addOn, extension, that changes 
 default browser behaviour for external links clicks?


I'm wrong, you are right. ... I'm using an addOn myself, that changes the 
browser behaviour. But I mainly use it because of its session backup 
features. So I forgot about the click behaviour change :) 

I'm using FF with Tab Mix Plus addOn. ... This may be an option, for you 
too, if you use FF

-mario

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[tw] [TW5] TiddlyMap: visualise imported data

2015-07-22 Thread UBi

Hi!

I discovered TiddlyMap recently. Great piece of work, thank you, Felix!
I started using it the way described in the introductory videos, e.g. 
entering/developing dependency networks directly with the UI provided.

Now I'm wondering if there is a way to visualise data imported from, say, 
JSON or CSV files.

As long as the relationship between Tiddlers is pure TiddlyWiki 
functionality, it works as expected. Importing the following JSON file 
yields the two nodes Tiddler and Glossar, nicely linked with a tagged 
with edge.

[
{
text: kleinste sinnvolle Texteinheit,
tags: Glossar,
title: Tiddler
},
{
text: TiddlyWiki-Begriffe,
title: Glossar,
tags: 
}
]

But what if I wand to import Tiddler relations like uses or related to?
How would I have to write my JSON file?

Thanks,
Uwe

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, licensing and creative works

It is not so much about what tiddlers are used (although having shadow
tiddlers helps us identify what is used), but being clear about what is
covered - i.e. if you cannot find a piece of javascript in the github
repository then it is not covered by the license. If you use tiddlers names
that are not tw5 shadow tiddlers then it makes it easy to argue about what
is not covered (or not intended to be covered) by the license.

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 12:17:16 AM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:

BJ,

That would work better than anything I have come up with, but there are
still some problems. Like the tiddlers $:/SiteTitle and $:/SiteSubtitle
where it wouldn't be unreasonable to put something that has a different
license. Now that I am thinking about it every example I can come up with
as a potential problem could be avoided using transclusions.

I think that if possible adding an exemption for modifications made to
tiddlers using built-in modification mechanisms like $:/SiteTitle and
$:/SiteSubtitle should be included. That would just be for a situation like
someone writing and publishing a book in TiddlyWiki not having to worry
about if they still have the copyright for their title when they put it in
$:/SiteTitle.

I guess plugins are easy to define as the shadow tiddlers included in the
plugin and modifications of those tiddlers would be dealt with however the
license for the plugin states. Plugins that modify the tiddlers tagged as
the release on github would be modifying them so that is covered by the
tiddlywiki license and if an author really wanted to use a separate license
they could split their plugin into two parts, one with the core
modifications and one with only the parts that they created with whatever
license they choose. Anything else could be considered wiki content and
would have whatever license the user gives it. I think that if we can make
these distinctions than each tiddler could have its own license in the
extreme case.

Jeremy,

I will look around a bit to see if I can find anything like that. That
sort of precedent would make this much easier.

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[tw] Re: [twdev] [TW5] additional cross reference tags for tiddlywiki.com for newbies (proposal)

2015-07-22 Thread wimm

Thanks Alex,

I've added a similar diagram for Tiddlyspot.com and a small concept diagram 
for TiddlyWiki (old image from the poster contest ;-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlyMap: visualise imported data

2015-07-22 Thread Felix Küppers

Hi Uwe,

I discovered TiddlyMap recently. Great piece of work, thank you, Felix!

Thanks :)

But what if I wand to import Tiddler relations like uses or related to?
How would I have to write my JSON file?

To answer your question: there are two possibilites for that:

*1) The simple way: *Use magic edge-type namespaces

In the docs section, have a look at Magic Edge-Type Namespaces.
http://tiddlymap.org/#Magic%20Edge-Type%20Namespaces

You need to go to the edge-type manager and create the edge-types first!
Then you can enter tiddler titles into custom fields to have them displayed
as edges in graphs.
Make sure you read about the drawbacks of this technique in the docs
article above!

*2) The advanced way: *Create a tmap.edges field for edges in each
tiddler that holds outgoing edges.

In the docs section, have a look at Storage of Edges
(http://tiddlymap.org/#Storage%20of%20Edges).
Just export a tiddler as .tid file after you created some outgoing edges
and you'll see how the tiddlymap edges are stored in JSON format.

The same way you could do it if you don't want to use the gui...

Maybe have a look at this github discussion How to link tiddlers
progragmatically (https://github.com/felixhayashi/TW5-TiddlyMap/issues/141)

Hope this helps

-Felix

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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyChrome

2015-07-22 Thread Arlen Beiler

Yes, this is for TW5. I want it to support TWC, though, eventually. And
yeah, TW5 has some rather browser specific code that comes in core, since
we don't use Java anymore. I know, I had the same gripe, which is why I
never switched to TW5 until very recently. For firefox we have tiddlyfox,
and now this app for chrome, and node-webkit always worked if you modified
bootprefix.js. So it's been a hassle sometimes, but we're getting there.
-Arlen

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Anton Aylward anton.aylw...@gmail.com
wrote:

Am I to take it that stuff about field module-type means this is
specific to TW5?
I don't recall anything like that in the Classic TW I'm using.

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:02:18 PM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:

Ok, to install, go to Chrome menu More tools Extensions and then drag
the crx file over the list of extensions. No, you don't need the dev
version. I made this using the stable version of chrome. An up to date
version of Chrome is recommended, but Chrome usually keeps itself up to
date anyway, so that shouldn't be a problem for most people.

tiddlyChromeSaver.js is the saver to use in your tiddlywiki. Copy the
contents into a tiddler and set the field module-type with value saver.
You'll need to do this in a browser where you can save changes, or else
download the file and open it again.

-Arlen

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:45 PM, PMario pmar...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Arlen,

Some installation instructions would be nice. I don't use Chrome, except
for testing purpose. So I have no idea, what to do with those files.

-mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlyMap: visualise imported data

2015-07-22 Thread UBi

Bittesehr:

[
{ title: 
$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/edgeTypes/tw-list:child-of },
{ title: 
$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/edgeTypes/tw-list:sibling-of },
{ title: 
$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/edgeTypes/tw-list:parent-of },
{ title: 
$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/edgeTypes/tw-list:married-with },
{
title: Tom,
married-with: Tina,
parent-of: Timmy Tamara,
tags: Family
},
{
title: Tina,
married-with: Tom,
parent-of: Timmy Tamara,
tags: Family
},
{
title: Timmy,
child-of: Tom Tina,
sibling-of: Tamara,
tags: Family
},
{
title: Tamara,
child-of: Tom Tina,
sibling-of: Timmy,
tags: Family
}
]


A small, working genealogy example :-)

In my use case, edge types are known in advance, so the simple way 
suffices. Phew! No UUID mess :-)

Thanks again!

Uwe

Am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2015 14:42:17 UTC+2 schrieb PMario:

 On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 1:41:05 PM UTC+2, Felix Küppers wrote:

 Hope this helps


 An example JSON, that could be drag and drop imported imo would help a lot 
 ;)

 -mario


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[tw] Re: [twdev] [TW5] additional cross reference tags for tiddlywiki.com for newbies (proposal)

2015-07-22 Thread Alex Hough

WiM,

I like your terminology tiddler and the diagram. The tags took me to places
I'd not visited before, they are useful.

Alex

On Wednesday, 22 July 2015, wimm wiemm...@gmail.com wrote:

I have made a full copy of Tiddlywiki.com (based on TW519) with lot of
additional tags for newbies.

I added a structured Quickref overview Tiddler to access all the
concerned tags in context of a TiddlyWiki.
These tags can be used and as a starting point to jump to all related
Tiddlers.

I also added a Tiddler explaining the very basic things you need to know
about TiddlyWiki and Tiddlers. Includiing a little diagram (~DFD) how the
TiddlyWiki is modified in memory.

To accomplish the above I applied many many many ... tags to all the
non-system Tiddlers.
New tags I added are for instance : images, media, searching, saving,
browser, Links, node.js and many more...

It is *not yet polished *(tags do not always start with an upper case,
see also note below ) but it will give you a good idea of the added
functionality for newbies.

See http://TW5Quickref.tiddlyspot.com http://tw5quickref.tiddlyspot.com/ for
the full wiki.

Let me know what you think.

Please note this is work Work in progress !

Tiddlywiki also uses tags to create lists of similar Tiddlers. I was not
always aware
of this. This sometimes resulted in tag conflicts when I tried to re-use
an existing tag
(e.g. Resources became recursive).

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[tw] Re: Tiddlywiki fields

2015-07-22 Thread Sylvain Naudin



Le mardi 21 juillet 2015 22:04:07 UTC+2, Jed Carty a écrit :

 Unfortunately there isn't an automated backup setup for TiddlyWiki5 yet. 
 When you save it is saving to the same file you opened. If you don't know 
 where that is look for empty.html in your downloads folder.


Well there is the TiddlyFox (Firefox extension) with save me many time 
(when TW crash with result 0 kb file..). We have a daily backup with that. 

(I don't remember if Jeremy release the last version, but I use this  
https://github.com/buggyj/TiddlyFox/tree/saver)

Sylvain

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlyMap: visualise imported data

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 1:41:05 PM UTC+2, Felix Küppers wrote:

 Hope this helps


An example JSON, that could be drag and drop imported imo would help a lot 
;)

-mario

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, licensing and creative works



I think you can choose any license, :
blahblah wiki  is copywrite :ME and is licensed under (your choice)
 This software contains components from tiddlywiki which are available under 
this license:

[Copy of the tiddlywiki BSD license goes here]
 



On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 10:00:02 PM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:

 Adding a license isn't the problem, adding content that doesn't use the 
 BSD license is the problem.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Is MagicTabs still in active development??

2015-07-22 Thread Leo Staley

People adopt and adapt abandoned tiddlywiki projects all the time. I myself 
would love to see magic tabs resumed. 

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[tw] Re: How combine string with evaluated value for a parameter value?

The problem is 

$set name=rev value=concat {{!!creator}}

The input to the macro isn't wikified before the macro is evaluated in this 
context. Use this instead:

\define concat() $(ThisCreator)$/$(currentTiddler)$

\define pub()
$set ThisCreator={{!!creator}}
$set name=rev value=concat
$link to=rev$view tiddler=rev field=title 
format=textrev/$view/$link
/$set
/$set
\end

pub

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[tw] Re: How combine string with evaluated value for a parameter value?

2015-07-22 Thread Mat

Thanks for superfast reply, Jed!

...but no luck. Merely adding some tests to your code, see below, gives 
this (non-)result:

1 MyTid 2 Mat 3 4 5 6

\define concat() $(ThisCreator)$/$(currentTiddler)$

\define pub()
1 {{!!title}} 2 {{!!creator}} 3
$set ThisCreator={{!!creator}}
4 {{!!title}} 5 ThisCreator 6
$set name=rev value=concat

$link to=rev$view tiddler=rev field=title format=textrev
/$view/$link
/$set
/$set
\end


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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, licensing and creative works

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 6:54:14 PM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:

Every tiddlywiki html file has the license at the top. That license says
it applies to the entire file. Since tiddlywiki is a single file than it
means that the license applies to all modifications and content added to
the wiki. On github where the files are separate than having separate
licenses isn't a problem because that is how software licenses normally
work, but once the html file is created than either the license at the top
is meaningless or it applies to the whole file including all the tiddlers
and the content. This is the part that the licenses aren't designed to
handle.

Maybe you can modify the $:/core/templates/tiddlywiki5.html tiddler
including your own license: $:/MY/copyright.txt
`meta name=copyright
content={{$:/MY/copyright.txt}}{{$:/core/copyright.txt}} /`

$:/MY/copyright.txt would say something like
`
blahblah wiki is copywrite :ME
This software contains components from tiddlywiki which are available
under this license:

[Copy of the tiddlywiki BSD license goes here]
`

With normal code separate modules can be separate files and you can link to
our call functions from one without affecting the license. What tiddlywiki
does mixes the code together which, in all the instances I have seen,
counts as a modification of the bsd code making the result fall under the
bsd license.

This isn't a problem with the idea of licensing, it is a problem with this
situation not being addressed by the specific licenses. Up until you create
the html file there isn't any problem, but once the html file is created
the entire thing, including all tiddler content, has a bsd license because
it is the base tiddlywiki code with modifications. For anything in the base
tiddlywiki code and most plugins or editions, this is fine. If see were to
make an edition for a portfolio website for writers than any of their
writing that they add to the site would be part of the html file which
gives it the bsd license.

As an example, my site the images are hosted on the server and aren't part
of the wiki so they aren't affected by the bad license, but the posts and
anything else on the site is part of the wiki, which automatically applies
the bsd license because it is a modification of the tiddlywiki code. For
the resume builder the edition itself is under the same license as the rest
of tiddlywiki, this is what I want. I would like to extend it to be a
resume /portfolio site (like LinkedIn, but not useless and evil). The
problem is that any content on this site would be under the bsd license and
most people I have asked about this have said that they didn't want their
resume released under those terms.

I think that the ideas behind the bsd license fit very well with what
tiddlywiki is and we may be able to get help making a flavor of the license
that fits our case, but the current one doesn't.
The result you are talking about is exactly how we would want this to work
but just writing that some portion of the code (because as a quine there is
no distinction between code and content) isn't subject to the license
doesn't work or licenses in general would be meaningless.

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, licensing and creative works

The BSD license explicitly states that modifications of the source code are
also subject to the BSD license. Because it is a single file everything in
the wiki is part of the code and you can not remove the BSD license from
the code or from any part of the code, even if the part you want to remove
the license from is your modification.

The relevant part of the license is:

Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:

Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this
list of conditions and the following disclaimer.

Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice,
this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation
and/or other materials provided with the distribution.

For TiddlyWiki (at least as an html file) the two conditions are
equivalent. The license is useful in the context of open source software
because it applies to all modifications of and derivatives made from the
code. So anything contained in a tiddlywiki is part of the source code and
therefore subject to this license.

In most other coding contexts the code can be separated into different
files or libraries which allows you to use BSD licensed code with a larger
project that contains components that don't use an open source license. As
far as I can tell the situation brought about by using tiddlywiki for
creative works is unique and none of the licenses fit this situation
because they consider the source code for each library or application as a
collection of distinct entities, not a monolithic entity that contains
distinct modules that can each be subject to their own license independent
of the container.

I don't think that this use is in anyway in opposition to the ideas of free
software, but it is a situation that hasn't been addressed yet so none of
the existing licenses allow what we want.

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, licensing and creative works

One question is whether adding tiddlers 'modifies' the tiddlywiki source or
not. If I have checkout out tiddlywiki from git and am building it from
tiddlers, I can edit the templates to change the license and so I have
modified the source. But as the purpose of a tiddlywiki is to build
tiddlers into an html file, any other tiddlers added I would not consider
that to be modifying the source, but as a function of the program. But it
would be good if Jeremy modified the templates to enable the license to be
modified without editing it.

I think even if adding tiddlers is considered modifying the tw code, those
modification belong to the author not to tiddlywiki. As the bsd license
only stipulates that you must include the license statment, you are free to
choose a license for your own work. As long as your tiddlers are all your
own work (do not contain any (modified) tiddlywiki code) then it would seem
they are completely under your control.

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 10:58:06 PM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:

The BSD license explicitly states that modifications of the source code
are also subject to the BSD license. Because it is a single file everything
in the wiki is part of the code and you can not remove the BSD license from
the code or from any part of the code, even if the part you want to remove
the license from is your modification.

The relevant part of the license is:

Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:

Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice,
this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.

I don't think that this use is in anyway in opposition to the ideas of
free software, but it is a situation that hasn't been addressed yet so none
of the existing licenses allow what we want.

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, licensing and creative works

Adding a license isn't the problem, adding content that doesn't use the BSD 
license is the problem.

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[tw] Re: How combine string with evaluated value for a parameter value?

2015-07-22 Thread Mat

@Eric, @Jed - I appreciate your help!!!

However... I just can't get it to work, in spite of your multiple examples. 
Below is the more actual code. 

The idea is to display the current tiddlers title but with the tiddlers 
creators name prepended to it, so the title Foo BarFrotz display as Bob/Foo 
BarFrotz
(My odd choice for title is to make it clear that the camelcased word 
becomes a part of the full link via that longest code line below, see #1880 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1880. Not an issue for 
this thread though.)  

With your help, the $(currentTiddler)$ bit works, but the $creator$ part is 
problematic. My general question there is how do I get field data? I've 
tried with all variants I can think of. If possible, I would rather call 
the concat macro with the tiddler (i.e {{!!title}}) than with !!creator, so 
that I could extract other field data.

In the second tiddler, I don't include any argument for the pub 
macrocall because using {{!!title}} in the macros work and so I figure 
{{!!creator}} should work to. Right? (I've of course tried the other way 
too.)

Ok, help appreciated. 


tiddler: MyMacros
tags: $:/tags/Macro

\define concat(creator) $creator$/$(currentTiddler)$

\define pub()
$set name=rev value=concat {{!!creator}}
$link to=rev$view tiddler=rev field=title format=textrev
/$view/$link
/$set
\end

and

tiddler:MyTiddler

pub


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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, licensing and creative works

2015-07-22 Thread Eric Shulman

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 2:58:06 PM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:

 ...Because it is a single file everything in the wiki is part of the 
 code...

...anything contained in a tiddlywiki is part of the source code and 
 therefore subject to this license...

...none of the licenses fit this situation because they consider the source 
 code for each library or application as a collection of distinct entities, 
 not a monolithic entity that contains distinct modules that can each be 
 subject to their own license independent of the container. 


Despite your well-stated argument, I think you have unnecessarily conflated 
file and code to be synonymous (at least, for the purposes of this 
discussion)

While it is true that most conventional applications use separate files to 
isolate the code from the content, the *container* used to distribute the 
code should not be construed the only way to define what is or is not code. 
 Note how the BSD license language itself addresses redistribution and use 
in source and binary forms without regard to the the method of 
distribution.

The problem for TiddlyWiki is that it code and content are included in the 
same distribution package (a single HTML file), and this makes the 
*conventional* distinction between code and content ambiguous.  However, 
this doesn't preclude providing other means to clearly identify what parts 
of the package are code and which are content.

We only need to limit the TiddlyWiki BSD license to the clearly 
identifiable TWCore components of the distribution package in order to 
allow the remainder of the file contents to have whatever license is 
desired.  For example, all TWCore tiddlers could have license field that 
points to a BSD license statement that included with the document as a 
shadow tiddler.   Any other (non-TWCore) tiddlers could then be subject to 
whatever terms and conditions that are specifically included within or 
referenced by those individual tiddlers.

Note that both US Copyright law and the Berne Convention on International 
Copyright provide that copyrights do not have to be registered (or even 
declared) to be enforceable and that copyright automatically goes to the 
creator/author of the materials, unless otherwise explicitly granted, in 
writing, to another entity.  In other words, to paraphrase a famous quote 
from ZeroWing ALL YOUR TIDDLERS ARE BELONG TO YOU!

-e

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, licensing and creative works

While I still feel a bit hesitant about this I may be the only one so I
will just assume that I am being paranoid and interpreting the license as
being stricter than it actually is.

Eric,

I hadn't really considered that the license doesn't define source code or
any way to distinguish between separate parts of the code, I had just been
going by the individual files count as the same code convention that I have
seen elsewhere. Given that tiddlywiki is a possibly unique case at the
moment I think it would be a good idea to explicitly state what the
distinctions are between the core, each plugin and the content of the wiki.
Given what you have said I don't think that this would necessarily have to
be part of the license statement.

And to be clear I wasn't trying to just be argumentative about this, I was
just worried that if the problem did exist it could be a serious one. To
help with my paranoia I will work on writing something explaining the
differences between the separate components for the purposes of licenses
and try to put together a simple plugin for adding a license that the user
decides on into the html file.

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[tw] Re: How combine string with evaluated value for a parameter value?

After a few minutes of some rather intense confusion I realized that I used 
the vars instead of set for the first definition when testing and wrote set 
when I put it in my answer to you. Sorry about that.

This time here is exactly what I have in the tiddler I am testing with on 
tiddlywiki.com:

\define concat() $(ThisCreator)$/$(currentTiddler)$

\define pub()
1 {{!!title}} 2 {{!!creator}} 3
$vars ThisCreator={{!!creator}}
4 {{!!title}} 5 ThisCreator 6

$set name=rev value=concat

$link to=rev$view tiddler=rev field=title 
format=textrev/$view/$link
/$set
/$vars
\end

pub

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, licensing and creative works

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:54:14 PM UTC+2, Jed Carty wrote:

 With normal code separate modules can be separate files and you can link 
 to our call functions from one without affecting the license. What 
 tiddlywiki does mixes the code together which, in all the instances I have 
 seen, counts as a modification of the bsd code making the result fall under 
 the bsd license. 


no. BSD is not GPL
If you modify it, it's yours.
 
-m

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, licensing and creative works

Mario,

Yeah, sorry about that. My mind somehow went from 'in the html file there 
isn't anything to tell you what is the base tiddlywiki with the license and 
what isn't so you can't see what the license applies to' to 'the license 
applies to everything'. So pretty much all of what I have said is wrong.

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, licensing and creative works

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 1:02:33 AM UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:

  ALL YOUR TIDDLERS ARE BELONG TO YOU!


right.
-m

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlyMap: visualise imported data

2015-07-22 Thread Felix Küppers


 A small, working genealogy example :-)

Now that is a highly connected graph! I like that all Names start with
T :)

 In my use case, edge types are known in advance, so the simple way
 suffices.

Glad you also figured out how to include the edge-types in your json!

 Phew! No UUID mess :-)

To be honest, you are not forced to use UUID when using the advanced
tiddlymap edge-format. The only criterion is that you ensure edge and
node ids are and will be unique.

Just be aware of the fact that when using magic edge-types a title
change will result in broken connections when any tiddlers were linked
to this tiddler.

-Felix

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki, licensing and creative works

I don't think that tiddlers are covered by any license, only their content 
can be covered - they are just contains, albeit produced by the software 
(that is what the tw software does), - it doesn't matter what the name of 
the tiddler is, only if it contains modified tiddlywiki code  - that makes 
it is subject to the license. Because the license is bsd it doesn't matter 
how other software interfaces with tw, you can call the api without being 
subject to the license.

An area in which I am unclear is when the core is patched by other 
software. I would guess that the patching software is subject to the 
license - In which case it may be better to split software up into two 
modules - the patching code - subject to the license and the rest of 
application.

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 1:31:30 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:

 As I wrote and as Jed stated: *I think that if we can make these 
 distinctions than each tiddler could have its own license in the extreme 
 case. ... *but this may be overkill for most usecases. 

 It is relatively easy to identify where the content comes from eg:  

  - download an empty.html 
  - drag and drop import an empty-edition.html 
- All tiddlers, that show up here are different to emtpy.html ... 
  - plugins are bound to the plugin license
  - edition content is bound to the edition license.

  - If a end-user wants to know, what he modified, s/he just needs to 
 import the active TW into empty-edition.html.
- Every tiddler, that shows up now, is user created content and belongs 
 to the user. ... IF the edition license allows this!

 ---

 I think that if possible adding an exemption for modifications made to 
 tiddlers using built-in modification mechanisms like $:/SiteTitle and 
 $:/SiteSubtitle should be included. That would just be for a situation like 
 someone writing and publishing a book in TiddlyWiki not having to worry 
 about if they still have the copyright for their title when they put it in 
 $:/SiteTitle.


 IMO no need for an exemption.

 If I change the site title from TiddlyWiki to My Freaking Awesome Novel 
 I physically create a copy of the $:/SiteTitle tiddler. ... 
  - Since this core tiddler is BSD licensed, I don't need to ask for 
 permission to change it. 
  - Since I did create the new content, it automatically is my copyright. 
  - This is valid for every other system tiddler. 
  - Every tiddler has a creator and modifier field, if the 
 $:/status/UserName in the ControlPanel is set. So it is relatively easy to 
 see, who owns the tiddler :)


 BSD license allows me to change everything, if I leave the original 
 license text in tact. 
 BSD has no share alike section like CC-BY-SA, GPL, Apache .. and others. 
 .. So everything I changed can be my own proprietary license if I want. I 
 can do with it, what I want. eg: sell it and disallow modifications by 
 everyone else. 

 -mario

 -

 So if an end user of your resume edition, wants to publish his own version 
 they can do so. They just need to modify the existing License tiddler like 
 so
 eg: 

 The content of this TiddlyWiki is licensed: what ever the user wants

 The TiddlyWiki Resume Edition is licensed: link to your license

 TiddlyWiki core is BSD licensed 
 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/licenses/copyright.md
 Additional Plugin Licenses can be found at the [[Control Panel|$:/
 ControlPanel]]

 -- done

 -mario


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[tw] How combine string with evaluated value for a parameter value?

2015-07-22 Thread Mat

How does one concatenate a string and a calculated value (e.g a macro or a 
transclusion)?

For example this doesn't work:

$set name=url value=http://foo.com/#:;currentTiddler

$set name=url value=http://foo.com/#:currentTiddler

$set name=url value=http://foo.com/#:currentTiddler


Doc on the setwidget http://tiddlywiki.com/#SetWidgetdoesn't make this 
clear. Nor does other places (ex 
http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Variables%20vs.%20Parameters). The issue 
is of course not specific for the setwidget but it is a bit ironic 
specifically for the setwidget as this, from what I understand, is used for 
avoiding these difficulties.

:-)

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