date:20170825

All,

Why not promote Posts in the current groups whose titles are prefixes 
[announcement]  or [Plugin] ?

It is easy to search a group for such strings, and most of the plugins I 
know about were found in this group, so we need to maintain access to the 
history. If you find a plugin in the current groups you may be able to 
create a new post [plugin] plugin name function with a link to a previous 
post.

If we can build an index (using search) within the group to plugin 
references then we can at least find them, and when we decide on a 
repository, registry or library of plugins we can harvest the details from 
the group to start.

I am prepared to build and host such a registry but it must openly allow 
plugin authors and enthusiasts to add and edit it with us all chipping in. 
It also must take account of the existing helpful repositories or plugin 
sets documented by those who have already put some effort into this. This 
means it naturally needs to be a tiddlywiki itself in my view.

A TiddlyWiki in which any plugin could be dropped (whilst not actually 
being activated in that wiki), and permitting additional metadata to be 
provided would be a good start. We can then rely in part on each plugins 
internal documentation to start with.

But it is essential in my view, ultimately along with an overarching 
solutions based index like tobias's 
 https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Solutions

Regards
Tony

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 11:37:41 PM UTC+10, codacoder...@outlook.com 
wrote:
>
> I know there has been talk of moving away from goolag -- sorry, google -- 
> groups but it's what we have and it's where new users come and other folks 
> are.  
>
> I also know that many have opined the lack of a one-stop-shop/curated list 
> of plugins (TiddlyTweeter being the most vociferous/ardent on the topic, I 
> think -- he's right, IMO, too).
>
> That said...
>
> Why is there not (or is there?) a goolag group for Plugins?  
> TiddlywikiPlugins?
>
> If it was *strictly* for plugin announcements (all other kinds of msgs 
> are forcibly removed), wouldn't that be better than the status quo?  If it 
> was very strict, then, hopefully, searching would improve, also.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Coda
>

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[tw] Re: tm-new-tiddler isn't loading my template

Ivan,

Try adding text="text in new tiddler" as text is simply another field. 
Other forms may produce more useful outcomes like text={{templatetiddler}}

I don't have the time to give you a more robust answer and others are more 
expert but that should help you move along.

Tony 


On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 8:46:16 PM UTC+10, Ivan Aparicio wrote:
>
> I'm trying to create a button that will create a book log tiddler:
>
> <$button>
>   ''Book''
>   <$action-sendmessage 
>   $message="tm-new-tiddler" 
>   $template="Template:Book" 
>   title="Book title" tags="Scrap [[book]]"/>
> 
>
> Everything works, except for the template. I'm 100% sure that I have a 
> tiddler named Template:Book, but it isn't being transcluded. Am I doing 
> something wrong?
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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

Post Script;

I too have a plan to *convert a big TWC into TW5.* I Think it may result in 
multiple TW5 so I am working on interaction between wikis,

A 17mb TWC with my life embedded in it.

Regards
Tony 

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 10:29:57 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mat,
>
>
>- Thanks very much for your work, this will be a valuable tool. It is 
>very powerful and responsive, perhaps this could be an issue.
>- Constructive Feedback: It feels "sensitive", with immediate 
>responses we could loose information, I need to use it cautiously.
>- However I think it is very elegant and useful with the all drag-able 
>a very useful feature.
>
>
> I empathise with your words *"a constant tornado of ideas in my head, 
> many of my TW projects float into one another so there are typically 
> several parallel issues"*, in fact this challenge is making me look into 
> ways of addressing complex feedback loops, process bootstrapping and 
> iteration in a rapid development process. TiddlyWiki inspires more than new 
> tiddlers.
>
> Thanks very much
>
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 10:49:51 PM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, the TWaddler gives thee
>>
>> Batch Manipulator 
>> *~ bigly manipulate the masses ~*
>>
>> a tool to simplify tagging/untagging 
>> *en masse* as well as single tids
>>
>>
>> In particular, it simplifies *identifying *tiddlers that are distantly 
>> related so to group (i.e tag) them - see the "green tags" feature.
>>
>> I've previously made some half measures for this but the tipping point 
>> came as I'm currently in the process of *converting a big TWC into TW5* 
>> (good use case!)
>>
>> Cred: Some early pieces for this were picked from things by TWizards 
>> *@Mario* and *@Jed*. 
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S I'm involved in a few other threads here that I have not properly 
>> responded to. I hope to do so eventually and I really appreciate your kind 
>> replies to my various questions. As someone with a constant tornado of 
>> ideas in my head, many of my TW projects float into one another so there 
>> are typically several parallel issues. This also means that your kind 
>> replies often serve as pieces in several puzzles :-)
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

Mat,


   - Thanks very much for your work, this will be a valuable tool. It is 
   very powerful and responsive, perhaps this could be an issue.
   - Constructive Feedback: It feels "sensitive", with immediate responses 
   we could loose information, I need to use it cautiously.
   - However I think it is very elegant and useful with the all drag-able a 
   very useful feature.
   

I empathise with your words *"a constant tornado of ideas in my head, many 
of my TW projects float into one another so there are typically several 
parallel issues"*, in fact this challenge is making me look into ways of 
addressing complex feedback loops, process bootstrapping and iteration in a 
rapid development process. TiddlyWiki inspires more than new tiddlers.

Thanks very much


On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 10:49:51 PM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> Yeah, the TWaddler gives thee
>
> Batch Manipulator 
> *~ bigly manipulate the masses ~*
>
> a tool to simplify tagging/untagging 
> *en masse* as well as single tids
>
>
> In particular, it simplifies *identifying *tiddlers that are distantly 
> related so to group (i.e tag) them - see the "green tags" feature.
>
> I've previously made some half measures for this but the tipping point 
> came as I'm currently in the process of *converting a big TWC into TW5* 
> (good use case!)
>
> Cred: Some early pieces for this were picked from things by TWizards 
> *@Mario* and *@Jed*. 
>
> <:-)
>
>
>
> P.S I'm involved in a few other threads here that I have not properly 
> responded to. I hope to do so eventually and I really appreciate your kind 
> replies to my various questions. As someone with a constant tornado of 
> ideas in my head, many of my TW projects float into one another so there 
> are typically several parallel issues. This also means that your kind 
> replies often serve as pieces in several puzzles :-)
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Query: Are Regular Expressions Regular in TW?


PR #2963
Mark

On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 5:55:14 PM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>
>
> IMO you should create a PR at github. 
>
> -m
>

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

Which projects are you looking at, and how do you know the activist user 
base for TW is small?

One of the reasons I went with TW was because of the high activity level.

Looking at Zim, Wikidpad, TakeNote -- activity is practically nil. 
Simplenote doesn't seem to even have a forum.

Evernote forums have fairly high activity levels, but it appears that the 
owner(s) themselves never drop in. Even projects that people really depend 
on like GPG have fairly low traffic, and that is on a mail list.

Mark

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 9:28:13 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I want to add that the ACTIVIST userbase for TW is VERY small relative to 
> other projects of equal maturity. What's  interesting is, despite that, its 
> vibrant, evolves and works. BUT most every attempt to "scale-out" at the 
> moment hits barriers. NOT of will. But of hours. Of not enough people.
>
>

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

Ciao codacoder

I think an ANNOUNCEMENTS SPECIFIC Group, or maybe a Strongly Pinned Thread, 
would be VERY good. 

The skill is in its writing. Its not as easy as recycling. 

Judgements need to be made if its gonna work. Without discrimination its a 
slop bucket. It requires someone/people who is/are regularly following 
developments. Have the skill to understand them. Can write them up well. 
That would be INVALUABLE, IMO.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Friday, 25 August 2017 18:46:02 UTC+2, codacoder...@outlook.com wrote:
>
> I can't overtly disagree with any of that - the evidence is right before 
> our eyes (even if the actual data might prove hard to amass and interpret).
>
> So, do YOU think a plugins group might serve us and new users better?  I'm 
> thinking also that Mark's approach would work a little easier if not very 
> much better with a one-stop-shop to target...
>
> Mark said
>
> ...because whenever I find something interesting, I clip it and save it, 
>> usually in TiddlyWiki. Then, whenever someone else comes along that has a 
>> similar question or interest, I can look up the information and thread.
>>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 11:28:13 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> codacoder...@outlook.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Originally, I was having *very* similar thoughts.  Then I realised it 
>>> needs to be (essentially) "free" - $$$ becomes a barrier to entry for a lot 
>>> of people, which, depending on the topic, includes me.
>>>
>>
>> Ciao on this codacoder ...
>>
>> I want to add that the ACTIVIST userbase for TW is VERY small relative to 
>> other projects of equal maturity. What's  interesting is, despite that, its 
>> vibrant, evolves and works. BUT most every attempt to "scale-out" at the 
>> moment hits barriers. NOT of will. But of hours. Of not enough people.
>>
>> A DOWNSIDE is also that because of the locked-in-state on Google that 
>> commits you to forever wading in a history-fogged swamp (better, your 
>> "goolag"---you only cope via PERSONAL memory) I think its VERY tough for 
>> newbies to find their feet without a clear history. That becomes a bit of a 
>> Catch-22. I am sure there are readers who never write. Look & flee.
>>
>> So PART of this, for me, is about WHO are we losing? And HOW to appear 
>> more inviting.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

+2 :)

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Yes. A forum just for announcements esp. re plugins , kits, or bundles 
> (since not all good things come in plugins) is a good idea to tweak the 
> signal-to-noise ratio. 
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 9:06:10 AM UTC-7, codacoder...@outlook.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Thanks, Mark.  You just consolidated my thoughts better than I could.  
>> That last para is killer, (assuming you mean go with something like my 
>> original post up top?).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 10:45:58 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> About the Google forums, I know I may be in the minority, but I don't 
>>> think the current arrangement is so bad. That may be partially because 
>>> whenever I find something interesting, I clip it and save it, usually in 
>>> TiddlyWiki. Then, whenever someone else comes along that has a similar 
>>> question or interest, I can look up the information and thread.
>>>
>>> If you look around, you can find lots of open source projects that have 
>>> their own website, but they are dead as the proverbial door nail. This is 
>>> probably because over the long haul it was just too much effort to keep the 
>>> site current and active. If those sites have an active component, it's 
>>> usually the forum, which is usually a link to another site, such as the 
>>> Google or Yahoo forums, or a mail list.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

I can't overtly disagree with any of that - the evidence is right before 
our eyes (even if the actual data might prove hard to amass and interpret).

So, do YOU think a plugins group might serve us and new users better?  I'm 
thinking also that Mark's approach would work a little easier if not very 
much better with a one-stop-shop to target...

Mark said

...because whenever I find something interesting, I clip it and save it, 
> usually in TiddlyWiki. Then, whenever someone else comes along that has a 
> similar question or interest, I can look up the information and thread.
>




On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 11:28:13 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> codacoder...@outlook.com wrote:
>>
>> Originally, I was having *very* similar thoughts.  Then I realised it 
>> needs to be (essentially) "free" - $$$ becomes a barrier to entry for a lot 
>> of people, which, depending on the topic, includes me.
>>
>
> Ciao on this codacoder ...
>
> I want to add that the ACTIVIST userbase for TW is VERY small relative to 
> other projects of equal maturity. What's  interesting is, despite that, its 
> vibrant, evolves and works. BUT most every attempt to "scale-out" at the 
> moment hits barriers. NOT of will. But of hours. Of not enough people.
>
> A DOWNSIDE is also that because of the locked-in-state on Google that 
> commits you to forever wading in a history-fogged swamp (better, your 
> "goolag"---you only cope via PERSONAL memory) I think its VERY tough for 
> newbies to find their feet without a clear history. That becomes a bit of a 
> Catch-22. I am sure there are readers who never write. Look & flee.
>
> So PART of this, for me, is about WHO are we losing? And HOW to appear 
> more inviting.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

Don't call it a forum :-) 

I agree a PURE place for announcement threads would be a good idea.

WE LACK THE DICTIONARY of what we are doing. That might, over time, build 
it.

I had thought about doing that on Twitter since its relatively easy. And 
nobody there can write you a complex essay back :-).

J. 

Mark S. wrote:
>
> Yes. A forum just for announcements esp. re plugins , kits, or bundles 
> (since not all good things come in plugins) is a good idea to tweak the 
> signal-to-noise ratio. 
>

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

codacoder...@outlook.com wrote:
>
> Originally, I was having *very* similar thoughts.  Then I realised it 
> needs to be (essentially) "free" - $$$ becomes a barrier to entry for a lot 
> of people, which, depending on the topic, includes me.
>

Ciao on this codacoder ...

I want to add that the ACTIVIST userbase for TW is VERY small relative to 
other projects of equal maturity. What's  interesting is, despite that, its 
vibrant, evolves and works. BUT most every attempt to "scale-out" at the 
moment hits barriers. NOT of will. But of hours. Of not enough people.

A DOWNSIDE is also that because of the locked-in-state on Google that 
commits you to forever wading in a history-fogged swamp (better, your 
"goolag"---you only cope via PERSONAL memory) I think its VERY tough for 
newbies to find their feet without a clear history. That becomes a bit of a 
Catch-22. I am sure there are readers who never write. Look & flee.

So PART of this, for me, is about WHO are we losing? And HOW to appear more 
inviting.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

Yes. A forum just for announcements esp. re plugins , kits, or bundles 
(since not all good things come in plugins) is a good idea to tweak the 
signal-to-noise ratio. 

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 9:06:10 AM UTC-7, codacoder...@outlook.com 
wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Thanks, Mark.  You just consolidated my thoughts better than I could.  
> That last para is killer, (assuming you mean go with something like my 
> original post up top?).
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 10:45:58 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> About the Google forums, I know I may be in the minority, but I don't 
>> think the current arrangement is so bad. That may be partially because 
>> whenever I find something interesting, I clip it and save it, usually in 
>> TiddlyWiki. Then, whenever someone else comes along that has a similar 
>> question or interest, I can look up the information and thread.
>>
>> If you look around, you can find lots of open source projects that have 
>> their own website, but they are dead as the proverbial door nail. This is 
>> probably because over the long haul it was just too much effort to keep the 
>> site current and active. If those sites have an active component, it's 
>> usually the forum, which is usually a link to another site, such as the 
>> Google or Yahoo forums, or a mail list.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

+1

Thanks, Mark.  You just consolidated my thoughts better than I could.  That 
last para is killer, (assuming you mean go with something like my original 
post up top?).



On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 10:45:58 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
> About the Google forums, I know I may be in the minority, but I don't 
> think the current arrangement is so bad. That may be partially because 
> whenever I find something interesting, I clip it and save it, usually in 
> TiddlyWiki. Then, whenever someone else comes along that has a similar 
> question or interest, I can look up the information and thread.
>
> If you look around, you can find lots of open source projects that have 
> their own website, but they are dead as the proverbial door nail. This is 
> probably because over the long haul it was just too much effort to keep the 
> site current and active. If those sites have an active component, it's 
> usually the forum, which is usually a link to another site, such as the 
> Google or Yahoo forums, or a mail list.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: tm-new-tiddler isn't loading my template

Looking at TiddlyWiki.com, I believe it should be param="Template:Book". Is 
there a source somewhere else suggesting $template= ??

Good luck,
Mark

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 3:46:16 AM UTC-7, Ivan Aparicio wrote:
>
> I'm trying to create a button that will create a book log tiddler:
>
> <$button>
>   ''Book''
>   <$action-sendmessage 
>   $message="tm-new-tiddler" 
>   $template="Template:Book" 
>   title="Book title" tags="Scrap [[book]]"/>
> 
>
> Everything works, except for the template. I'm 100% sure that I have a 
> tiddler named Template:Book, but it isn't being transcluded. Am I doing 
> something wrong?
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlySmile ...

Ooooh. I didn't know we were allowed to make puns.

"Tiddler B, or not Tiddler B? That is the question!"
-- Bill Tiddlespeare , (c) 1604


On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 5:41:15 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> "The wonderful thing about Tiddlers, is Tiddlers are wonderful things."
> -- A.A. Ruston 
>

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

About the Google forums, I know I may be in the minority, but I don't think 
the current arrangement is so bad. That may be partially because whenever I 
find something interesting, I clip it and save it, usually in TiddlyWiki. 
Then, whenever someone else comes along that has a similar question or 
interest, I can look up the information and thread.

If you look around, you can find lots of open source projects that have 
their own website, but they are dead as the proverbial door nail. This is 
probably because over the long haul it was just too much effort to keep the 
site current and active. If those sites have an active component, it's 
usually the forum, which is usually a link to another site, such as the 
Google or Yahoo forums, or a mail list.

Mark



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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

2017-08-25 Thread Lost Admin

Or, as the kind and generous gents who provide Tiddlyspot.com did, built 
it, maintain it, and fund it yourself for the whole community (with ads to 
supplement the costs, presumably).

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 11:16:54 AM UTC-4, codacoder...@outlook.com 
wrote:
>
> Originally, I was having *very* similar thoughts.  Then I realised it 
> needs to be (essentially) "free" - $$$ becomes a barrier to entry for a lot 
> of people, which, depending on the topic, includes me.
>
> It is an intriguing idea, nonetheless.  But, as Mat said, the proposed 
> approach is a "good interim solution" - I don't want to lose sight of that, 
> initially.  It's best, I think, to get something working better than the 
> status quo that solves the numero uno problem - how the hell do I find 
> something that solves my immediate problem.  A one-top-shop for plugins 
> (with GOOD explanations in the announcements) might just solve that.
>
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 10:02:05 AM UTC-5, Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>> OR, and I'm just spit-balling here, we could all donate $1 (or £1) a 
>> month to fund a dedicated Tiddlywiki server with forums, plugin library, 
>> source-code repository, individual wiki sites, and regular video tutorials 
>> posted by the "staff". 
>>
>> Hmm, that might take more along the lines of $10 (or £10) a month. Never 
>> mind. ;-)
>>
>> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 10:46:50 AM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Probably there should be a rule that the actual announcement should have 
>>> [ANN] at the start of the first line. Maybe a rule that people can either 
>>> post an announcement or comment on an existing announcements, but not make 
>>> non-announcement first-posts.
>>>
>>> I could probably volunteer. Let me know.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:24:16 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:

 That could be a good interim solution (...no more than 25 years) and 
 I'm surprised nobody has suggested it before.

 But if it is strictly for announcements, that would mean one has to 
 post in *both *groups or people cannot come with input. And, 
 presumably again in both groups for update notices. Not a huge problem but 
 it is an extra step that is not obvious. On the other hand, if 
 announcements only then anyone can make the announcement, not necessarily 
 the plugin creator. Should the creator not be happy with someone elses 
 announcement of his plugin, then I guess he can request deletion in that 
 thread and post a new announcement instead.

 Any volunteering moderators? It would be best with several moderators 
 because of the ebb-and-flow type participation people have (including 
 myself). So, if a few more are volunteers then I can be one.

 <:-)

>>>

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

Originally, I was having *very* similar thoughts.  Then I realised it needs 
to be (essentially) "free" - $$$ becomes a barrier to entry for a lot of 
people, which, depending on the topic, includes me.

It is an intriguing idea, nonetheless.  But, as Mat said, the proposed 
approach is a "good interim solution" - I don't want to lose sight of that, 
initially.  It's best, I think, to get something working better than the 
status quo that solves the numero uno problem - how the hell do I find 
something that solves my immediate problem.  A one-top-shop for plugins 
(with GOOD explanations in the announcements) might just solve that.


On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 10:02:05 AM UTC-5, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> OR, and I'm just spit-balling here, we could all donate $1 (or £1) a month 
> to fund a dedicated Tiddlywiki server with forums, plugin library, 
> source-code repository, individual wiki sites, and regular video tutorials 
> posted by the "staff". 
>
> Hmm, that might take more along the lines of $10 (or £10) a month. Never 
> mind. ;-)
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 10:46:50 AM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Probably there should be a rule that the actual announcement should have 
>> [ANN] at the start of the first line. Maybe a rule that people can either 
>> post an announcement or comment on an existing announcements, but not make 
>> non-announcement first-posts.
>>
>> I could probably volunteer. Let me know.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:24:16 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>>>
>>> That could be a good interim solution (...no more than 25 years) and I'm 
>>> surprised nobody has suggested it before.
>>>
>>> But if it is strictly for announcements, that would mean one has to post 
>>> in *both *groups or people cannot come with input. And, presumably 
>>> again in both groups for update notices. Not a huge problem but it is an 
>>> extra step that is not obvious. On the other hand, if announcements only 
>>> then anyone can make the announcement, not necessarily the plugin creator. 
>>> Should the creator not be happy with someone elses announcement of his 
>>> plugin, then I guess he can request deletion in that thread and post a new 
>>> announcement instead.
>>>
>>> Any volunteering moderators? It would be best with several moderators 
>>> because of the ebb-and-flow type participation people have (including 
>>> myself). So, if a few more are volunteers then I can be one.
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

2017-08-25 Thread Lost Admin

OR, and I'm just spit-balling here, we could all donate $1 (or £1) a month 
to fun a dedicated Tiddlywiki server with forums, plugin library, 
source-code repository, individual wiki sites, and regular video tutorials 
posted by the "staff". 

Hmm, that might take more along the lines of $10 (or £10) a month. Never 
mind. ;-)

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 10:46:50 AM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Probably there should be a rule that the actual announcement should have 
> [ANN] at the start of the first line. Maybe a rule that people can either 
> post an announcement or comment on an existing announcements, but not make 
> non-announcement first-posts.
>
> I could probably volunteer. Let me know.
>
> Mark
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:24:16 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>>
>> That could be a good interim solution (...no more than 25 years) and I'm 
>> surprised nobody has suggested it before.
>>
>> But if it is strictly for announcements, that would mean one has to post 
>> in *both *groups or people cannot come with input. And, presumably again 
>> in both groups for update notices. Not a huge problem but it is an extra 
>> step that is not obvious. On the other hand, if announcements only then 
>> anyone can make the announcement, not necessarily the plugin creator. 
>> Should the creator not be happy with someone elses announcement of his 
>> plugin, then I guess he can request deletion in that thread and post a new 
>> announcement instead.
>>
>> Any volunteering moderators? It would be best with several moderators 
>> because of the ebb-and-flow type participation people have (including 
>> myself). So, if a few more are volunteers then I can be one.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

Probably there should be a rule that the actual announcement should have 
[ANN] at the start of the first line. Maybe a rule that people can either 
post an announcement or comment on an existing announcements, but not make 
non-announcement first-posts.

I could probably volunteer. Let me know.

Mark

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:24:16 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> That could be a good interim solution (...no more than 25 years) and I'm 
> surprised nobody has suggested it before.
>
> But if it is strictly for announcements, that would mean one has to post 
> in *both *groups or people cannot come with input. And, presumably again 
> in both groups for update notices. Not a huge problem but it is an extra 
> step that is not obvious. On the other hand, if announcements only then 
> anyone can make the announcement, not necessarily the plugin creator. 
> Should the creator not be happy with someone elses announcement of his 
> plugin, then I guess he can request deletion in that thread and post a new 
> announcement instead.
>
> Any volunteering moderators? It would be best with several moderators 
> because of the ebb-and-flow type participation people have (including 
> myself). So, if a few more are volunteers then I can be one.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 9:24:16 AM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>
> That could be a good interim solution (...no more than 25 years) and I'm 
> surprised nobody has suggested it before.
>
> But if it is strictly for announcements, that would mean one has to post 
> in *both *groups or people cannot come with input.
>

Not quite what I meant Mat.  When you announce BatchManipulator, for 
example, I can post feedback to that thread.  So I *should* have said, 
announcement *topics* only.  Better?

> And, presumably again in both groups for update notices.
>

As the topic OP, you get to update the original, or, you post again (new 
topic) making the new post a new announcement which seeds higher in the 
list anyway.

> Not a huge problem but it is an extra step that is not obvious. On the 
> other hand, if announcements only then anyone can make the announcement, 
> not necessarily the plugin creator. Should the creator not be happy with 
> someone elses announcement of his plugin, then I guess he can request 
> deletion in that thread and post a new announcement instead.
>

There are those (hopefully) rare occurrences, yes.  But what we have right 
now is inferior, IMO.  A plugins group should aid search and, if that's not 
the case in some circumstances, you can just read all the headlines in one 
place.

Thinking further, authors *could* say "Post feedback and questions to the 
main discussion group, please!"  But I personally think it would be better 
in the plugin group, possibly.

>
> Any volunteering moderators? It would be best with several moderators 
> because of the ebb-and-flow type participation people have (including 
> myself). So, if a few more are volunteers then I can be one.
>

Yeah, me too - guilty as charged, guv.

;)

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[tw] Re: Plugins Group?

2017-08-25 Thread Mat

That could be a good interim solution (...no more than 25 years) and I'm 
surprised nobody has suggested it before.

But if it is strictly for announcements, that would mean one has to post in 
*both 
*groups or people cannot come with input. And, presumably again in both 
groups for update notices. Not a huge problem but it is an extra step that 
is not obvious. On the other hand, if announcements only then anyone can 
make the announcement, not necessarily the plugin creator. Should the 
creator not be happy with someone elses announcement of his plugin, then I 
guess he can request deletion in that thread and post a new announcement 
instead.

Any volunteering moderators? It would be best with several moderators 
because of the ebb-and-flow type participation people have (including 
myself). So, if a few more are volunteers then I can be one.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Reduce size of the "recent" list

2017-08-25 Thread Matthew Eckelman

*Limit Recent History*
Edit shadow tiddler:  $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Recent
Add limit=7 (or whatever #) like this:
*<$macrocall $name="timeline" limit=7 
format={{$:/language/RecentChanges/DateFormat}}/>*

worked on:  Tiddlywiki 5.1.14

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[tw] Re: Query: Are Regular Expressions Regular in TW?

This version will return  sub-groups for non-global searches. So in 
codacoder's example, this search:

<$list filter='[tag[TestGroups]get[text]regexps[(?g)bk-ann 
".+"]regexps[bk-ann "(.+)"]]'  >

will change this:


<>X
>
> and
>
>   < macros">>
>
>
Into


Explain the use of the Tiddlywiki's macro system
> Explain the scope rules of Tiddlywiki macros


Notice that it takes 2 regexps filters to accomplish this (the first global 
one finds the items, the second trims them).

For counts, you can just use the count[] filter after the regexps filter 
you want.

Backup before trying.

Good luck!
Mark

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 2:17:58 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mark S.
>
> Many thanks. I'll test it out and get back to you...
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Another version of regexps to play with. This version will pull out all 
>> matches at once when the global flag is used. So the filter could look like:
>>
>> "[get[text]regexps[(?g)#\w+\b]tolower[]]"
>>
>  
>
>> Regular expressions in javascript can return sub-groups for non-global 
>> expression searches. It might be possible to implement this in regexps, if 
>> someone can think of a good use-case. 
>>
>
> I definitely could use that. Let me go *look at what I'm currently 
> working on and find a real use case*. Sub-groups allow a lot of things, 
> like (1) moving bits of the matched string around; (2) discarding bits of 
> it you don't need; (3) duplicating a sub-group, say as a heading.
>
> Plus. With what you have developed so far *is it possible to return a 
> MATCH COUNT*? If that were possible I have definite use cases I can lay 
> out.
>
> This is exciting. 
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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$__core_modules_filters_regexps.js(2).json
Description: application/json

[tw] Re: Filter to search for transclusions that do not exist...

2017-08-25 Thread Jan


Hej,
for all seeking a solution:
It can be done with Thomas Elingers superbe Extract-plugin: 
http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#Extract%20Macro


\define extrans0()
<$macrocall $name="extract" start="{{" end="}}" prefix="[[" suffix="]]" 
mode="inline" limit="no"/>

\end
\define exitrans1()
<$list filter="[list[$:/StoryList]!is[system]]">
<>+[!has[created]]
\end

<$wikify name="trans"  text=<>>
<$list filter=<>>
<>


cheers Jan



Am 25.08.2017 um 11:27 schrieb Jan:

Hello,
I got a problem that I cannot solve yet. I would like to have a filter
to track down transclusions that do not exist (Per Tiddler and in the
whole wiki...).
Any Ideas how to do this?

Hello Thomas... Is this a task for the extract Macro?

Best wishes
Jan


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[tw] Plugins Group?

I know there has been talk of moving away from goolag -- sorry, google -- 
groups but it's what we have and it's where new users come and other folks 
are.  

I also know that many have opined the lack of a one-stop-shop/curated list 
of plugins (TiddlyTweeter being the most vociferous/ardent on the topic, I 
think -- he's right, IMO, too).

That said...

Why is there not (or is there?) a goolag group for Plugins?  
TiddlywikiPlugins?

If it was *strictly* for plugin announcements (all other kinds of msgs are 
forcibly removed), wouldn't that be better than the status quo?  If it was 
very strict, then, hopefully, searching would improve, also.

Thoughts?

Coda

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[tw] Presenting: Batch Manipulator - mass tagging

2017-08-25 Thread Mat

Yeah, the TWaddler gives thee

Batch Manipulator
*~ bigly manipulate the masses ~*

a tool to simplify tagging/untagging
*en masse* as well as single tids

In particular, it simplifies *identifying *tiddlers that are distantly
related so to group (i.e tag) them - see the "green tags" feature.

I've previously made some half measures for this but the tipping point came
as I'm currently in the process of *converting a big TWC into TW5* (good
use case!)

Cred: Some early pieces for this were picked from things by TWizards
*@Mario* and *@Jed*.

<:-)

P.S I'm involved in a few other threads here that I have not properly
responded to. I hope to do so eventually and I really appreciate your kind
replies to my various questions. As someone with a constant tornado of
ideas in my head, many of my TW projects float into one another so there
are typically several parallel issues. This also means that your kind
replies often serve as pieces in several puzzles :-)

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[tw] Re: Query: Are Regular Expressions Regular in TW?

Thomas!!!

Awesome (not a word a throw around like confetti).  Just AWESOME!!!

I recall we talked about textstretch when it was "new", quite some time 
ago. I ended up going my own route with *bk-ann* (and a couple of others, 
like *bk-note* and *bk-problem* which use different colors and are 
"transient" since they're like TODOs).  But *extract* was the missing 
"elephant in the room" ;)  

I'm so pleased and thankful!  Thank you!

Coda

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wrote:
>
> Excellent Thomas - thank you.  I'll grab it later (or tomorrow, more 
> likely) and let you know how it goes.
>
> Danke!
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:50:23 PM UTC-5, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>>
>> Hi Codacoder 
>>
>> Something like synopsis extraction exists in an experiment I developed 
>> some time ago: 
>>
>>
>> https://tid.li/tw5/numbers.html#Chapter%201:%5B%5BChapter%201%5D%5D%20Footnotes
>>  
>>
>> Here I extract footnotes from a text using my extract macro based on 
>> existing TW5 technology. 
>>
>> https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#Extract%20Macro 
>>
>> Problem: It does not work for transcluded sections … that would be the 
>> same with a regexp solution. 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>> Thomas
>
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlySmile ...

"The wonderful thing about Tiddlers, is Tiddlers are wonderful things."
-- A.A. Ruston 

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[tw] tm-new-tiddler isn't loading my template

2017-08-25 Thread Ivan Aparicio

I'm trying to create a button that will create a book log tiddler:

<$button>
  ''Book''
  <$action-sendmessage 
  $message="tm-new-tiddler" 
  $template="Template:Book" 
  title="Book title" tags="Scrap [[book]]"/>


Everything works, except for the template. I'm 100% sure that I have a 
tiddler named Template:Book, but it isn't being transcluded. Am I doing 
something wrong?

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[tw] Filter to search for transclusions that do not exist...

2017-08-25 Thread Jan


Hello,
I got a problem that I cannot solve yet. I would like to have a filter 
to track down transclusions that do not exist (Per Tiddler and in the 
whole wiki...).

Any Ideas how to do this?

Hello Thomas... Is this a task for the extract Macro?

Best wishes
Jan

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