[tw] Re: Serving TiddlyWiki alongside other projects?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Sorry, I somehow missed this

Both [home-network-IP]:8080 [external-IP]:8080 seems to fall


The first one should work, assuming you mean the ip of the Pi itself (and 
not your router). 

If it doesn't connect and the numbers are all correct, it's probably 
something blocking the port. Presumably you are able to access the Apache 
server from the other computer just fine? You could try stopping Apache and 
running Tiddlywiki on port 80, since you know that's open, to see if the 
problem persists. 

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 12:08:23 PM UTC+10, RichardWilliamSmith 
wrote:
>
> is accessed through localhost:8080 (edit and save work well). 
>> localhost:8080/tdnotes gives a 404
>
>
> Even though the files for your wiki may be in the path being served by 
> Apache (at localhost:80/tdnotes or leave the 80 off altogether) but the 
> wiki, as a wiki, is being served on a different process altogether - 
> localhost:8080 and the root of what its serving is the tdnotes folder.
>
> Just to be clear - the Tiddlywiki server would work even without Apache - 
> they are completely independent things.
>
> When you're accessing your Pi from another computer, it is no longer the 
> "localhost". You need to use its ip address instead (probably assigned to 
> it by your router). You should be able to find if by running ``ifconfig``
>
>
> On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 9:24:38 AM UTC+10, kodomohimari wrote:
>>
>> At the current time, the TiddlyWiki runs in a node I start manually by 
>> going to www in CLI and is accessed through localhost:8080 (edit and save 
>> work well). localhost:8080/tdnotes gives a 404 (which I assume is because 
>> Apache isn't grabbing the 8080 port which means localhost:8080/tdnotes 
>> actually points to an entirely different location).
>>
>> Having to add the :8080 is not "the" breaking issue, though (thanks for 
>> clarifying the ports thing) - I'm completely unable to reach the TiddlyWiki 
>> through any other computer than the Pi itself (i.e. through its own 
>> browser). Both [home-network-IP]:8080 [external-IP]:8080 seems to fall in 
>> an absolute limbo on my other computers.
>>
>> Ultimately, I'd like to be able to setup multiple instances (for 
>> instance: :8080/tdnotes, :8080/project, etc.), but at the current time I 
>> can't reach any instance at all from outside the Pi.
>>
>> Regards,
>> kodomohimari
>>
>> On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 12:41:58 AM UTC+2, RichardWilliamSmith 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> You have Apache running on port 80 to serve static files. The Tiddlywiki 
>>> server needs to run as a separate process alongside that, on a different 
>>> port, and they are accessed as two different services.
>>>
>>> If you really need to be able to access both services from the same 
>>> port, I guess you will need to configure apache to pass requests to the 
>>> other port (your google is as good as mine - 
>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8541182/apache-redirect-to-another-port 
>>> ?) but I doubt it's worth the trouble.
>>>
>>> Do you have the tiddlywiki process actually started on the Pi? Are you 
>>> able to access it through :8080/tdnotes ?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:55:46 AM UTC+10, kodomohimari wrote:

 Just discovered TiddlyWiki and I'm trying to set it up with nodejs on 
 my Raspberry Pi (which I use for multiple purposes, including as a web 
 development server).

 The Pi is setup so that a folder named www in its Desktop corresponds 
 to the landing folder when reached from a browser (i.e. pointing a browser 
 at my IP reaches the Apache top page, from where I can access various 
 projects stored in folders in www i.e. www/project1).

 I'm trying to set up a situation where www/tdnotes is where the 
 TiddlyWiki lives, and it can be reached as any other project on the Pi 
 through [IP]/tdnotes. Two obstacles on my path:

 - The folder location. If I just aim for [IP], I'm landing on my Apache 
 top page (which is normal). If I aim for [IP]/tdnotes, I reach it through 
 the Apache interface (i.e. I don't enter the TiddlyWiki, I just see its 
 file structure externally).
 - The port number. Is there a way to get rid of it i.e. just type 
 [IP]/tdnotes instead of [IP]:8080/tdnotes? (For instance, I suppose 
 changing the port number served by the TiddlyWiki server could work, but 
 can it serve the same port as HTTP i.e. 80?)

 I have a feeling the issues are interconnected, but I'm clueless as to 
 how to proceed forward. Any hint would be greatly appreciated.



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[tw] Re: Serving TiddlyWiki alongside other projects?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

>
> is accessed through localhost:8080 (edit and save work well). 
> localhost:8080/tdnotes gives a 404


Even though the files for your wiki may be in the path being served by 
Apache (at localhost:80/tdnotes or leave the 80 off altogether) but the 
wiki, as a wiki, is being served on a different process altogether - 
localhost:8080 and the root of what its serving is the tdnotes folder.

Just to be clear - the Tiddlywiki server would work even without Apache - 
they are completely independent things.

When you're accessing your Pi from another computer, it is no longer the 
"localhost". You need to use its ip address instead (probably assigned to 
it by your router). You should be able to find if by running ``ifconfig``


On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 9:24:38 AM UTC+10, kodomohimari wrote:
>
> At the current time, the TiddlyWiki runs in a node I start manually by 
> going to www in CLI and is accessed through localhost:8080 (edit and save 
> work well). localhost:8080/tdnotes gives a 404 (which I assume is because 
> Apache isn't grabbing the 8080 port which means localhost:8080/tdnotes 
> actually points to an entirely different location).
>
> Having to add the :8080 is not "the" breaking issue, though (thanks for 
> clarifying the ports thing) - I'm completely unable to reach the TiddlyWiki 
> through any other computer than the Pi itself (i.e. through its own 
> browser). Both [home-network-IP]:8080 [external-IP]:8080 seems to fall in 
> an absolute limbo on my other computers.
>
> Ultimately, I'd like to be able to setup multiple instances (for instance: 
> :8080/tdnotes, :8080/project, etc.), but at the current time I can't reach 
> any instance at all from outside the Pi.
>
> Regards,
> kodomohimari
>
> On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 12:41:58 AM UTC+2, RichardWilliamSmith 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You have Apache running on port 80 to serve static files. The Tiddlywiki 
>> server needs to run as a separate process alongside that, on a different 
>> port, and they are accessed as two different services.
>>
>> If you really need to be able to access both services from the same port, 
>> I guess you will need to configure apache to pass requests to the other 
>> port (your google is as good as mine - 
>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8541182/apache-redirect-to-another-port 
>> ?) but I doubt it's worth the trouble.
>>
>> Do you have the tiddlywiki process actually started on the Pi? Are you 
>> able to access it through :8080/tdnotes ?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>> On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:55:46 AM UTC+10, kodomohimari wrote:
>>>
>>> Just discovered TiddlyWiki and I'm trying to set it up with nodejs on my 
>>> Raspberry Pi (which I use for multiple purposes, including as a web 
>>> development server).
>>>
>>> The Pi is setup so that a folder named www in its Desktop corresponds to 
>>> the landing folder when reached from a browser (i.e. pointing a browser at 
>>> my IP reaches the Apache top page, from where I can access various projects 
>>> stored in folders in www i.e. www/project1).
>>>
>>> I'm trying to set up a situation where www/tdnotes is where the 
>>> TiddlyWiki lives, and it can be reached as any other project on the Pi 
>>> through [IP]/tdnotes. Two obstacles on my path:
>>>
>>> - The folder location. If I just aim for [IP], I'm landing on my Apache 
>>> top page (which is normal). If I aim for [IP]/tdnotes, I reach it through 
>>> the Apache interface (i.e. I don't enter the TiddlyWiki, I just see its 
>>> file structure externally).
>>> - The port number. Is there a way to get rid of it i.e. just type 
>>> [IP]/tdnotes instead of [IP]:8080/tdnotes? (For instance, I suppose 
>>> changing the port number served by the TiddlyWiki server could work, but 
>>> can it serve the same port as HTTP i.e. 80?)
>>>
>>> I have a feeling the issues are interconnected, but I'm clueless as to 
>>> how to proceed forward. Any hint would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>

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[tw] Applying ReplacePragma to all Tiddlers of a certain type

[Jan]

Hi everybody.
On the topic of creating new markup parsers (especially creating a 
parser for screenplays)Mat suggested to use Skeeve's ReplacePragma 
.
I found out that it does a great job if the replacement-code is marked 
on top of the tiddler.


\replace /\n!/\n\n!/
\replace /\n:/\n\n:/
\replace /\n{{/\n\n:{{/ would fix the problem that the lists I want to 
use for formatting could easily be broken by a missing blank line.


This is great, but of course I do not want to insert these lines into 
every tiddler.

Is there a way to apply it to multiple Tiddlers by type or by filter?
I think it would be a great feature also for other usecases and 
shorthands in TW.


Yours Jan




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[tw] Re: Serving TiddlyWiki alongside other projects?

[kodomohimari]

Hmm... I have no such file in www/tdnotes, there is only the 
tiddlywiki.info file, a folder called tiddlers and in that folder a file 
called $__StoryList.tid. Which does seem odd now that I think about it, I 
don't even see the welcome screen here even though it's displayed when I 
access the TiddlerWiki through localhost:8080. Is there some aliasing going 
on?

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 12:43:41 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> kodomohimari
>
> Did you rename your tiddlywiki, in the folder to index.html so as to make 
> it the default?
>
> Tony
>
> On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:55:46 AM UTC+10, kodomohimari wrote:
>>
>> Just discovered TiddlyWiki and I'm trying to set it up with nodejs on my 
>> Raspberry Pi (which I use for multiple purposes, including as a web 
>> development server).
>>
>> The Pi is setup so that a folder named www in its Desktop corresponds to 
>> the landing folder when reached from a browser (i.e. pointing a browser at 
>> my IP reaches the Apache top page, from where I can access various projects 
>> stored in folders in www i.e. www/project1).
>>
>> I'm trying to set up a situation where www/tdnotes is where the 
>> TiddlyWiki lives, and it can be reached as any other project on the Pi 
>> through [IP]/tdnotes. Two obstacles on my path:
>>
>> - The folder location. If I just aim for [IP], I'm landing on my Apache 
>> top page (which is normal). If I aim for [IP]/tdnotes, I reach it through 
>> the Apache interface (i.e. I don't enter the TiddlyWiki, I just see its 
>> file structure externally).
>> - The port number. Is there a way to get rid of it i.e. just type 
>> [IP]/tdnotes instead of [IP]:8080/tdnotes? (For instance, I suppose 
>> changing the port number served by the TiddlyWiki server could work, but 
>> can it serve the same port as HTTP i.e. 80?)
>>
>> I have a feeling the issues are interconnected, but I'm clueless as to 
>> how to proceed forward. Any hint would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Serving TiddlyWiki alongside other projects?

[kodomohimari]

At the current time, the TiddlyWiki runs in a node I start manually by 
going to www in CLI and is accessed through localhost:8080 (edit and save 
work well). localhost:8080/tdnotes gives a 404 (which I assume is because 
Apache isn't grabbing the 8080 port which means localhost:8080/tdnotes 
actually points to an entirely different location).

Having to add the :8080 is not "the" breaking issue, though (thanks for 
clarifying the ports thing) - I'm completely unable to reach the TiddlyWiki 
through any other computer than the Pi itself (i.e. through its own 
browser). Both [home-network-IP]:8080 [external-IP]:8080 seems to fall in 
an absolute limbo on my other computers.

Ultimately, I'd like to be able to setup multiple instances (for instance: 
:8080/tdnotes, :8080/project, etc.), but at the current time I can't reach 
any instance at all from outside the Pi.

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 12:41:58 AM UTC+2, RichardWilliamSmith 
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> You have Apache running on port 80 to serve static files. The Tiddlywiki 
> server needs to run as a separate process alongside that, on a different 
> port, and they are accessed as two different services.
>
> If you really need to be able to access both services from the same port, 
> I guess you will need to configure apache to pass requests to the other 
> port (your google is as good as mine - 
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8541182/apache-redirect-to-another-port 
> ?) but I doubt it's worth the trouble.
>
> Do you have the tiddlywiki process actually started on the Pi? Are you 
> able to access it through :8080/tdnotes ?
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:55:46 AM UTC+10, kodomohimari wrote:
>>
>> Just discovered TiddlyWiki and I'm trying to set it up with nodejs on my 
>> Raspberry Pi (which I use for multiple purposes, including as a web 
>> development server).
>>
>> The Pi is setup so that a folder named www in its Desktop corresponds to 
>> the landing folder when reached from a browser (i.e. pointing a browser at 
>> my IP reaches the Apache top page, from where I can access various projects 
>> stored in folders in www i.e. www/project1).
>>
>> I'm trying to set up a situation where www/tdnotes is where the 
>> TiddlyWiki lives, and it can be reached as any other project on the Pi 
>> through [IP]/tdnotes. Two obstacles on my path:
>>
>> - The folder location. If I just aim for [IP], I'm landing on my Apache 
>> top page (which is normal). If I aim for [IP]/tdnotes, I reach it through 
>> the Apache interface (i.e. I don't enter the TiddlyWiki, I just see its 
>> file structure externally).
>> - The port number. Is there a way to get rid of it i.e. just type 
>> [IP]/tdnotes instead of [IP]:8080/tdnotes? (For instance, I suppose 
>> changing the port number served by the TiddlyWiki server could work, but 
>> can it serve the same port as HTTP i.e. 80?)
>>
>> I have a feeling the issues are interconnected, but I'm clueless as to 
>> how to proceed forward. Any hint would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>

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[tw] how's tiddlyclip?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

I saw @buggyj was active recently and thought I'd be cheeky and take the 
opportunity to ask how his work on bringing Tiddlyclip up to date for 
Firefox 57 was going?

I was looking at some of the docs for the transition to webextensions and 
it seems like it might be a tricky project but then I remembered that you 
got it working in Chrome before - is that version still available? How are 
things looking with Firefox?

Tiddlyclip is a really important part of the ecosystem and, personally, I 
will miss it much more that Tiddlyfox if they both go away.

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[tw] Re: Serving TiddlyWiki alongside other projects?

[TonyM]

kodomohimari

Did you rename your tiddlywiki, in the folder to index.html so as to make 
it the default?

Tony

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:55:46 AM UTC+10, kodomohimari wrote:
>
> Just discovered TiddlyWiki and I'm trying to set it up with nodejs on my 
> Raspberry Pi (which I use for multiple purposes, including as a web 
> development server).
>
> The Pi is setup so that a folder named www in its Desktop corresponds to 
> the landing folder when reached from a browser (i.e. pointing a browser at 
> my IP reaches the Apache top page, from where I can access various projects 
> stored in folders in www i.e. www/project1).
>
> I'm trying to set up a situation where www/tdnotes is where the TiddlyWiki 
> lives, and it can be reached as any other project on the Pi through 
> [IP]/tdnotes. Two obstacles on my path:
>
> - The folder location. If I just aim for [IP], I'm landing on my Apache 
> top page (which is normal). If I aim for [IP]/tdnotes, I reach it through 
> the Apache interface (i.e. I don't enter the TiddlyWiki, I just see its 
> file structure externally).
> - The port number. Is there a way to get rid of it i.e. just type 
> [IP]/tdnotes instead of [IP]:8080/tdnotes? (For instance, I suppose 
> changing the port number served by the TiddlyWiki server could work, but 
> can it serve the same port as HTTP i.e. 80?)
>
> I have a feeling the issues are interconnected, but I'm clueless as to how 
> to proceed forward. Any hint would be greatly appreciated.
>
>

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[tw] Re: Serving TiddlyWiki alongside other projects?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Hi,

You have Apache running on port 80 to serve static files. The Tiddlywiki 
server needs to run as a separate process alongside that, on a different 
port, and they are accessed as two different services.

If you really need to be able to access both services from the same port, I 
guess you will need to configure apache to pass requests to the other port 
(your google is as good as mine 
- https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8541182/apache-redirect-to-another-port 
?) but I doubt it's worth the trouble.

Do you have the tiddlywiki process actually started on the Pi? Are you able 
to access it through :8080/tdnotes ?

Regards,
Richard

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:55:46 AM UTC+10, kodomohimari wrote:
>
> Just discovered TiddlyWiki and I'm trying to set it up with nodejs on my 
> Raspberry Pi (which I use for multiple purposes, including as a web 
> development server).
>
> The Pi is setup so that a folder named www in its Desktop corresponds to 
> the landing folder when reached from a browser (i.e. pointing a browser at 
> my IP reaches the Apache top page, from where I can access various projects 
> stored in folders in www i.e. www/project1).
>
> I'm trying to set up a situation where www/tdnotes is where the TiddlyWiki 
> lives, and it can be reached as any other project on the Pi through 
> [IP]/tdnotes. Two obstacles on my path:
>
> - The folder location. If I just aim for [IP], I'm landing on my Apache 
> top page (which is normal). If I aim for [IP]/tdnotes, I reach it through 
> the Apache interface (i.e. I don't enter the TiddlyWiki, I just see its 
> file structure externally).
> - The port number. Is there a way to get rid of it i.e. just type 
> [IP]/tdnotes instead of [IP]:8080/tdnotes? (For instance, I suppose 
> changing the port number served by the TiddlyWiki server could work, but 
> can it serve the same port as HTTP i.e. 80?)
>
> I have a feeling the issues are interconnected, but I'm clueless as to how 
> to proceed forward. Any hint would be greatly appreciated.
>
>

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[tw] Re: Some work on static sites

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Hi Josiah and thank you,

Could you please point me towards the work of Riz? I don't think I've seen 
it and it would be very useful to see what other people have done. The 
other work I found that was useful to me, in addition to Jeremy's docs, was 
by Welford: https://github.com/welford/twstaticblog

Indeed static sites are poorly named - the only thing that's static about 
them is the deliverable assets at any instant in time. In fact Tiddlywiki 
itself is usually delivered as a "static" asset but is, of course, very 
dynamic once on the client.

The main win for me in setting up the system as I have is that I now have 
effectively "one click" publishing from TW on my desktop to the Netlify 
global CDN, so my site has the same up-time and availability as some major 
sites (https://www.netlify.com/case-studies/). All I have to do is tag 
tiddlers "Live" and run a Git commit and the site gets rebuilt "in the 
cloud" in about 30 seconds. One more reason to love Tiddlywiki.


Regards,
Richard

On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 10:44:32 PM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao RichardWS
>
> I made a static site with Tiddlywiki and a tutorial explaining how I did 
>> it: https://www.didaxy.com/exporting-static-sites-from-tiddlywiki
>>
>
> A few comments ...
>
> 1 - Far too modest. 
> Don't underwhelm your audience. 
> As far as I can see this is documentation of a fairly developed CMS 
> web-site PUBLISHING SYSTEM.
>
> 2 - Saying its "static" generation sorta separates the mother from baby. 
> But I don't think its accurate. Your method, even if you yourself don't go 
> that way,  could ALSO generate dynamic sites (i.e. that include JavaScript).
>
> 3 - I think that more upfront, *probably in the Title, you should make 
> clear this is a NODE.JS mediated CMS*. [Its important in the sense that 
> on GG there is a lot of discussion about "static" TW. Frankly, most of it 
> is confusing truly STATIC sites with REDUCED ACCESS interface a lot of the 
> time. You want to avoid getting mixed into that confusion like the plague.]
>
> 4 -  The DETAIL in your tutorial is great to read. 
>
> 5 - A wondering? Is this compatible with what Riz did? If so, then a link 
> to his examples could be helpful adjunctive to display the potential in a 
> strongly visual way.
>
> Very best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: BLC Plugin! For kanban like organization in the style of Trello using boards, lists, and cards.

[TonyM]

Reid,

Thanks for considering my input. I am still in the steep learning curve of 
TiddlyWiki5 development so I cant add too much to technical methods, I can 
express what I would love to see but not so good at providing code 
solutions. Hence my other contributions to the community, like testing and 
review. 

I see the Icon is being displayed :)

On Place a list anywhere.

What I was thinking was having a macro that presents a list of drag-able 
tiddlers, like a single column on your board. This would allow a user to 
work on a single column, and jump to the board when needing to move between 
columns. Also I am personally working on something I call "Object Tiddlers" 
with tabs inside a single tiddlers, and perhaps it would be possible to 
tiddlers drag between list/tabs and a tiddler list in each tab. These are 
inspirational ideas that would be great but you already have a compelling 
solution.

Importing tiddlers, 

I suspect importing tiddlers into a list may be complex and as I described 
there is a practical work around, drag, import and drag into board from 
import list. I like your approach to relying on TiddlyWiki's standard 
features.

I will remain open to assist within my skills.

Regards
Tony

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 5:19:25 AM UTC+10, Reid Gould wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> Wow! Using the "Open In New Window" feature like that is great! I would 
> never have thought to try that. I feel compelled to make a plugin for plain 
> mini-story views so I can put two or three normal stories next to each 
> other in their own windows.
>
> Your comment about "place a list anywhere" sounds similar to what Jan 
> suggested above with the sidebar. Can you describe more what you're 
> thinking about with that?
>
> On the topic of importing tiddlers directly onto the board, that would be 
> really nice to have but as I'm thinking about how it could be implemented 
> I'm not sure how it could be done, perhaps you could point me in a 
> direction. One of my goals in this project is to complete the core feature 
> set with no original javascript, instead relying on TiddlyWiki's WikiText, 
> Widgets, and Macros. I think this will make the plugin much more future 
> proof and let it benefit from future development in the TW core. The BLC 
> lists are currently implemented with the same $navigator and $list widgets 
> that make the main story. The docs say navigator does handle import 
> messages, but I don't know how to let the external link escape from the 
> $droppable widgets that enclose the cards such that they could fall back to 
> $dropzone widgets that could be put inside the list's story. I'm already 
> interested in learning how to handle drag and drop data into the browser 
> for another small idea of mine, but to accomplish both of these things I'm 
> not sure if that would require me to override the dropzone.js widget 
> ,
>  
> or if it's handleDropEvent function can pick up custom import logic. Any 
> guidance would be appreciated.
>
> The feature to selective hide and display columns with a single checkbox 
> is already in the works, thanks for the suggestion to leave an area to drop 
> cards into hidden lists, that will definitely be included.
>
> - Reid
>
>
> On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 2:25:39 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Post Script,
>>
>> I opened you demo using More >  Open In New Window and it works well as a 
>> way to separate the board from the tiddlyWiki "chrome" and Get a full 
>> screen board. Open in Main Story then updates the calling browser window 
>> (normal behavior) but very useful way to use your tool. In this open in new 
>> window mode it would be nice to see the boards title somewhere.
>>
>> Dreaming of the future, it would be nice if "new Card" option was 
>> available on each list with the ability to specify a template (tiddler) (or 
>> a number) for that list, it would help lists manage "tiddler types". And 
>> your Kanban board can be a way to quickly add tiddler content that even 
>> complies with another plugin such as a Project or Task tiddler.
>>
>> Perhaps a nice feature would be to display the icon of the tiddler for 
>> list items as well, ie; if a tiddler has a value in its field named Icon, 
>> arguably with a large icon option as this would make it easy to see 
>> different list items.
>>
>> It can be useful for each column to be named something to support 
>> workflow such as Incoming, WIP, Urgent, Done however one of my bug bears 
>> with Trello is the space a column like Done consumes when you only 
>> occasionally need to look at its details. One idea would be to allow a 
>> column on a board to be folded /hidden into a "button", and Removed from 
>> the columns displayed, however you can still drag a list item to that 
>> button. 
>>
>> Anyway, I will stop with my flight of fancy and look forward to seeing 
>> what you achieve.

[tw] Serving TiddlyWiki alongside other projects?

[kodomohimari]

Just discovered TiddlyWiki and I'm trying to set it up with nodejs on my 
Raspberry Pi (which I use for multiple purposes, including as a web development 
server).

The Pi is setup so that a folder named www in its Desktop corresponds to the 
landing folder when reached from a browser (i.e. pointing a browser at my IP 
reaches the Apache top page, from where I can access various projects stored in 
folders in www i.e. www/project1).

I'm trying to set up a situation where www/tdnotes is where the TiddlyWiki 
lives, and it can be reached as any other project on the Pi through 
[IP]/tdnotes. Two obstacles on my path:

- The folder location. If I just aim for [IP], I'm landing on my Apache top 
page (which is normal). If I aim for [IP]/tdnotes, I reach it through the 
Apache interface (i.e. I don't enter the TiddlyWiki, I just see its file 
structure externally).
- The port number. Is there a way to get rid of it i.e. just type [IP]/tdnotes 
instead of [IP]:8080/tdnotes? (For instance, I suppose changing the port number 
served by the TiddlyWiki server could work, but can it serve the same port as 
HTTP i.e. 80?)

I have a feeling the issues are interconnected, but I'm clueless as to how to 
proceed forward. Any hint would be greatly appreciated.

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[tw] Re: working with "original" shadow tiddler

[BJ]

you can use the subtiddler option with the transclusion widget

BJ

On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 2:10:26 AM UTC+2, Rustem wrote:
>
> Not see for myself, but *display*.
>
> I already got to the point where I can display each field of the original 
> by name, explicitly. What I'm looking for is a filter to list all fields of 
> the tiddler that is inside `[shadowsource[]]`. 
>
> -R.
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 4:51:12 PM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 1:09:48 AM UTC+2, Rustem wrote:
>>>
>>> When I have a tiddler overriding a shadow, how can I display the 
>>> original shadow tiddler as defined in a plugin, including all it's fields?
>>>
>>
>> Just rename the "new" tiddler and the shadow will come back.  back 
>> and forth. 
>>
>> -m
>>
>
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[tw] Re: Presenting: BLC Plugin! For kanban like organization in the style of Trello using boards, lists, and cards.

[Reid Gould]

Tony,

Wow! Using the "Open In New Window" feature like that is great! I would 
never have thought to try that. I feel compelled to make a plugin for plain 
mini-story views so I can put two or three normal stories next to each 
other in their own windows.

Your comment about "place a list anywhere" sounds similar to what Jan 
suggested above with the sidebar. Can you describe more what you're 
thinking about with that?

On the topic of importing tiddlers directly onto the board, that would be 
really nice to have but as I'm thinking about how it could be implemented 
I'm not sure how it could be done, perhaps you could point me in a 
direction. One of my goals in this project is to complete the core feature 
set with no original javascript, instead relying on TiddlyWiki's WikiText, 
Widgets, and Macros. I think this will make the plugin much more future 
proof and let it benefit from future development in the TW core. The BLC 
lists are currently implemented with the same $navigator and $list widgets 
that make the main story. The docs say navigator does handle import 
messages, but I don't know how to let the external link escape from the 
$droppable widgets that enclose the cards such that they could fall back to 
$dropzone widgets that could be put inside the list's story. I'm already 
interested in learning how to handle drag and drop data into the browser 
for another small idea of mine, but to accomplish both of these things I'm 
not sure if that would require me to override the dropzone.js widget 
,
 
or if it's handleDropEvent function can pick up custom import logic. Any 
guidance would be appreciated.

The feature to selective hide and display columns with a single checkbox is 
already in the works, thanks for the suggestion to leave an area to drop 
cards into hidden lists, that will definitely be included.

- Reid


On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 2:25:39 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Post Script,
>
> I opened you demo using More >  Open In New Window and it works well as a 
> way to separate the board from the tiddlyWiki "chrome" and Get a full 
> screen board. Open in Main Story then updates the calling browser window 
> (normal behavior) but very useful way to use your tool. In this open in new 
> window mode it would be nice to see the boards title somewhere.
>
> Dreaming of the future, it would be nice if "new Card" option was 
> available on each list with the ability to specify a template (tiddler) (or 
> a number) for that list, it would help lists manage "tiddler types". And 
> your Kanban board can be a way to quickly add tiddler content that even 
> complies with another plugin such as a Project or Task tiddler.
>
> Perhaps a nice feature would be to display the icon of the tiddler for 
> list items as well, ie; if a tiddler has a value in its field named Icon, 
> arguably with a large icon option as this would make it easy to see 
> different list items.
>
> It can be useful for each column to be named something to support workflow 
> such as Incoming, WIP, Urgent, Done however one of my bug bears with Trello 
> is the space a column like Done consumes when you only occasionally need to 
> look at its details. One idea would be to allow a column on a board to be 
> folded /hidden into a "button", and Removed from the columns displayed, 
> however you can still drag a list item to that button. 
>
> Anyway, I will stop with my flight of fancy and look forward to seeing 
> what you achieve.
>
> The mind Boggles,
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 5:02:04 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Reid,
>>
>> It is an impressive start. I use and abuse trello a great deal and I too 
>> would like to own my own data. Not to mention the advantages of integration 
>> with TiddlyWiki, good work.
>>
>> You are moving down a powerful direction and I hope at some time we may 
>> be able to place a list anywhere and drag and drop from it, for example 
>> within tabs of a master tiddler.
>>
>> No doubt you can foresee the desire to expand the vertical size of the 
>> board.
>>
>> I could not help myself and dragged a complex tiddler to the board from 
>> another tiddlywiki and it created a new item with no content but using the 
>> title, even this could be useful, If I drag and import an external tiddler, 
>> then drag the title (after import) to the board it does include the desired 
>> content, Please consider allowing external tiddlers to be dropped on the 
>> list (in distant future perhaps).
>>
>> Great work and Good Start to your move from amateur to professional.
>>
>> Tony 
>>
>> On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 1:07:47 AM UTC+10, Reid Gould wrote:
>>>
>>> BLC Plugin sees it's first light of day!
>>>
>>> The wiki: User Guide and Demo  
>>> 
>>> Source on GitHub:  https://github.com/reidgould/tiddlywiki-blc-plugin
>>>
>>> 

Re: [tw] Presenting: BLC Plugin! For kanban like organization in the style of Trello using boards, lists, and cards.

[Reid Gould]

Jan,

Thanks for your suggestions, you will be happy to know I already have a 
solution in the works for keeping the cards short. It will be better 
explained in the User Guide wiki on the next release.
I also agree that the header layout needs work. Expect to see changes there.

The sidebar idea sounds interesting. Can you describe some more how you 
imagine it might work?

- Reid

On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:46:27 PM UTC-5, Jan wrote:
>
> Hi Reid,
> this looks very promising, great idea.
> A few ideas:
> -I got the feeling this could be a great sidebar-feature.
> -It would be great if the cards could be flipped to show only the title.
> -The header (New Card, Remove, Hold...Filters) is a little distracting. It 
> could be useful to display it on hover only...
>
> Please continue, I would really like to use this...
> Yours Jan
>
>
>
> Am 02.09.2017 um 17:07 schrieb Reid Gould:
>
> BLC Plugin sees it's first light of day!
>
> The wiki: User Guide and Demo  
> 
> Source on GitHub:  https://github.com/reidgould/tiddlywiki-blc-plugin
>
> Trello style cards and lists are very important to my methods, but I can't 
> stand not owning my own data. So when I discovered how fantastically 
> hackable TiddlyWiki is, I made this! It uses normal TW tags and list fields 
> and if you already have those relationships established, you just need to 
> transclude the template into your text and it will show you your existing 
> tiddlers in board, list, card style.
>
> WARNING: This is still in quite early development and is very much not 
> stable. I'm partway through a refactor of the macros I'm using for listops 
> and they have some bugs.
>
> Still, it's starting to become something, so I'm sharing it now hoping for 
> some feedback from you more experienced users. I'd welcome issues on the 
> GitHub page, or any sort of suggestions here on the forum.
>
> Thanks to all the people who made this awesome little tool!
>
> - Reid
>
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[tw] Re: Presenting: BLC Plugin! For kanban like organization in the style of Trello using boards, lists, and cards.

[Joshua Fontany]

Really neat Idea, I was just looking at using TiddlyWiki as a Kanban 
replacement after my current plugin development is wrapped up a bit more.

Well done!

Joshua F

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

[Lost Admin]

I put the whole sequence of steps from intial GET request through the 
succeeding and failing PUT requests here 
https://wiki.suntrap.ca/davsaver.html I figure this would be easier to 
refer to while analyzing.

On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 3:24:35 PM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Interesting. Could you also post the request and response for the initial 
> get request for the file? This format works perfect.
>
> On Sep 2, 2017 14:51, "Lost Admin"  
> wrote:
>
> I think the 404 was a mis-type on my part and should have been 401 
> (unauthorized). As this was the first attempt to "save" I had not yet 
> authenticated. 
>
> Re-doing my testing, the 204 is as follows (this is the successful save of 
> tiddlywiki):
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 1:58:17 PM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon,
>> What is the response headers for the request with the status code 204? 
>> And why does the initial put request have a status of 404?
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2017 1:29 PM, "Lost Admin"  wrote:
>>
>> Here you go ... This only covers the save, including the authentication 
>> step (minus credentials)
>>
>>
>> *Initial PUT http://domain.dom/index.html 
>> Status code: 404*
>>
>> Response headers (296 B) 
>> Date 
>> Sat, 02 Sep 2017 17:19:45 GMT
>> Server 
>> Apache/2.4.27 (FreeBSD) OpenSSL/1.0.1s-freebsd PHP/5.6.31
>> Keep-Alive 
>> timeout=5, max=99
>> Connection 
>> Keep-Alive
>> Content-Type 
>> text/html
>> Request headers (452 B) 
>> Host 
>> domain.dom
>> User-Agent 
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; …) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/55.0
>> Accept 
>> */*
>> Accept-Language 
>> en-US,en;q=0.5
>> Accept-Encoding 
>> gzip, deflate
>> Referer 
>> http://domain.dom/index.html
>> Content-Type 
>> text/html;charset=UTF-8, appli…orm-urlencoded; charset=UTF-8
>> If-Match 
>> "1eb890-5582095dd9986"
>> Content-Length 
>> 2013328
>> DNT 
>> 1
>> Connection 
>> keep-alive
>>
>>
>>
>> *PUT http://domain.dom/index.html Status 
>> Code: 204Version HTTP/1.1*
>>
>> Request headers (499 B) 
>> Host 
>> ariel.suntrap.ca
>> User-Agent 
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; …) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/55.0
>> Accept 
>> */*
>> Accept-Language 
>> en-US,en;q=0.5
>> Accept-Encoding 
>> gzip, deflate
>> Referer 
>> http://domain.dom/index.html
>> Content-Type 
>> text/html;charset=UTF-8, appli…orm-urlencoded; charset=UTF-8
>> If-Match 
>> "1eb890-5582095dd9986"
>> Content-Length 
>> 2013328
>> DNT 
>> 1
>> Connection 
>> keep-alive
>> Authorization 
>> Basic 
>>
>> *Now save again without reloading*
>>
>>
>> *PUT http://domain.dom/index.html Status 
>> Code: 412 Precondition Failed*
>> Response headers (262 B) 
>> Date 
>> Sat, 02 Sep 2017 17:27:15 GMT
>> Server 
>> Apache/2.4.27 (FreeBSD) OpenSSL/1.0.1s-freebsd PHP/5.6.31
>> Content-Length 
>> 249
>> Keep-Alive 
>> timeout=5, max=100
>> Connection 
>> Keep-Alive
>> Content-Type 
>> text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
>> Request headers (499 B) 
>> Host 
>> domain.dom
>> User-Agent 
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; …) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/55.0
>> Accept 
>> */*
>> Accept-Language 
>> en-US,en;q=0.5
>> Accept-Encoding 
>> gzip, deflate
>> Referer 
>> http://domain.dom/index.html
>> Content-Type 
>> text/html;charset=UTF-8, appli…orm-urlencoded; charset=UTF-8
>> If-Match 
>> "1eb890-5582095dd9986"
>> Content-Length 
>> 2013314
>> DNT 
>> 1
>> Authorization 
>> Basic 
>> Connection 
>> keep-alive
>>
>> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 10:26:15 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, well all I need is the request and response info for the put 
>>> request. Actually, just the response headers. If you open your Developer 
>>> Tools and go to the network tab, it will show you all the requests the page 
>>> makes for everything. Find the put request it sends to save the file and 
>>> click on it. It should show you the response headers. You can copy it here 
>>> or email it to me directly if you like. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Lost Admin  wrote:
>>>
 Ah! you are ahead of me in figuring out what needs to be done. 
 Unfortunately, my javascript skills are nowhere near good enough to figure 
 out how to integrate the Apache way of doing things into TiddlyWiki.

 On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 9:47:32 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> I remember running into that when writing TiddlyServer. The apache 
> webdav module should return some kind of revision string. The put saver 
> expects an Etag, but this may not necessarily be what Apache sends. 
> However, I believe that is where the problem is.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Lost Admin  
> wrote:
>
>> Is there an easy way to get TiddlyWiki to re-read itself after saving?
>>
>> Apache tracks the time that you read the file and issues an error if 
>> you try to save back to 

[tw] Re: Some work on static sites

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao RichardWS

I made a static site with Tiddlywiki and a tutorial explaining how I did 
> it: https://www.didaxy.com/exporting-static-sites-from-tiddlywiki
>

A few comments ...

1 - Far too modest. 
Don't underwhelm your audience. 
As far as I can see this is documentation of a fairly developed CMS 
web-site PUBLISHING SYSTEM.

2 - Saying its "static" generation sorta separates the mother from baby. 
But I don't think its accurate. Your method, even if you yourself don't go 
that way,  could ALSO generate dynamic sites (i.e. that include JavaScript).

3 - I think that more upfront, *probably in the Title, you should make 
clear this is a NODE.JS mediated CMS*. [Its important in the sense that on 
GG there is a lot of discussion about "static" TW. Frankly, most of it is 
confusing truly STATIC sites with REDUCED ACCESS interface a lot of the 
time. You want to avoid getting mixed into that confusion like the plague.]

4 -  The DETAIL in your tutorial is great to read. 

5 - A wondering? Is this compatible with what Riz did? If so, then a link 
to his examples could be helpful adjunctive to display the potential in a 
strongly visual way.

Very best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Some work on static sites

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Dear all,

I made a static site with Tiddlywiki and a tutorial explaining how I did 
it: https://www.didaxy.com/exporting-static-sites-from-tiddlywiki 

There is no great innovation to what I've done but it packages knowledge 
from lots of different places into a set of instructions that I've now 
tested. The tutorial also explains how you can host your static site and 
how you can manage images, which may be of more general interest than the 
rest of the tutorial.

I've made my work available as a plugin and a github repo and I hope that, 
if you're interested in this sort of thing, you will be kind enough to give 
me your feedback about anything that you think I can improve.

This is still experimental so, although it carries no particular risk, 
please back your work up as always before using it, if you choose to.

Regards,
Richard


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[tw] Re: Presenting: BLC Plugin! For kanban like organization in the style of Trello using boards, lists, and cards.

[TonyM]

Post Script,

I opened you demo using More >  Open In New Window and it works well as a 
way to separate the board from the tiddlyWiki "chrome" and Get a full 
screen board. Open in Main Story then updates the calling browser window 
(normal behavior) but very useful way to use your tool. In this open in new 
window mode it would be nice to see the boards title somewhere.

Dreaming of the future, it would be nice if "new Card" option was available 
on each list with the ability to specify a template (tiddler) (or a number) 
for that list, it would help lists manage "tiddler types". And your Kanban 
board can be a way to quickly add tiddler content that even complies with 
another plugin such as a Project or Task tiddler.

Perhaps a nice feature would be to display the icon of the tiddler for list 
items as well, ie; if a tiddler has a value in its field named Icon, 
arguably with a large icon option as this would make it easy to see 
different list items.

It can be useful for each column to be named something to support workflow 
such as Incoming, WIP, Urgent, Done however one of my bug bears with Trello 
is the space a column like Done consumes when you only occasionally need to 
look at its details. One idea would be to allow a column on a board to be 
folded /hidden into a "button", and Removed from the columns displayed, 
however you can still drag a list item to that button. 

Anyway, I will stop with my flight of fancy and look forward to seeing what 
you achieve.

The mind Boggles,

Tony


On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 5:02:04 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Reid,
>
> It is an impressive start. I use and abuse trello a great deal and I too 
> would like to own my own data. Not to mention the advantages of integration 
> with TiddlyWiki, good work.
>
> You are moving down a powerful direction and I hope at some time we may be 
> able to place a list anywhere and drag and drop from it, for example within 
> tabs of a master tiddler.
>
> No doubt you can foresee the desire to expand the vertical size of the 
> board.
>
> I could not help myself and dragged a complex tiddler to the board from 
> another tiddlywiki and it created a new item with no content but using the 
> title, even this could be useful, If I drag and import an external tiddler, 
> then drag the title (after import) to the board it does include the desired 
> content, Please consider allowing external tiddlers to be dropped on the 
> list (in distant future perhaps).
>
> Great work and Good Start to your move from amateur to professional.
>
> Tony 
>
> On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 1:07:47 AM UTC+10, Reid Gould wrote:
>>
>> BLC Plugin sees it's first light of day!
>>
>> The wiki: User Guide and Demo  
>> 
>> Source on GitHub:  https://github.com/reidgould/tiddlywiki-blc-plugin
>>
>> Trello style cards and lists are very important to my methods, but I 
>> can't stand not owning my own data. So when I discovered how fantastically 
>> hackable TiddlyWiki is, I made this! It uses normal TW tags and list fields 
>> and if you already have those relationships established, you just need to 
>> transclude the template into your text and it will show you your existing 
>> tiddlers in board, list, card style.
>>
>> WARNING: This is still in quite early development and is very much not 
>> stable. I'm partway through a refactor of the macros I'm using for listops 
>> and they have some bugs.
>>
>> Still, it's starting to become something, so I'm sharing it now hoping 
>> for some feedback from you more experienced users. I'd welcome issues on 
>> the GitHub page, or any sort of suggestions here on the forum.
>>
>> Thanks to all the people who made this awesome little tool!
>>
>> - Reid
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: BLC Plugin! For kanban like organization in the style of Trello using boards, lists, and cards.

[TonyM]

Reid,

It is an impressive start. I use and abuse trello a great deal and I too 
would like to own my own data. Not to mention the advantages of integration 
with TiddlyWiki, good work.

You are moving down a powerful direction and I hope at some time we may be 
able to place a list anywhere and drag and drop from it, for example within 
tabs of a master tiddler.

No doubt you can foresee the desire to expand the vertical size of the 
board.

I could not help myself and dragged a complex tiddler to the board from 
another tiddlywiki and it created a new item with no content but using the 
title, even this could be useful, If I drag and import an external tiddler, 
then drag the title (after import) to the board it does include the desired 
content, Please consider allowing external tiddlers to be dropped on the 
list (in distant future perhaps).

Great work and Good Start to your move from amateur to professional.

Tony 

On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 1:07:47 AM UTC+10, Reid Gould wrote:
>
> BLC Plugin sees it's first light of day!
>
> The wiki: User Guide and Demo  
> 
> Source on GitHub:  https://github.com/reidgould/tiddlywiki-blc-plugin
>
> Trello style cards and lists are very important to my methods, but I can't 
> stand not owning my own data. So when I discovered how fantastically 
> hackable TiddlyWiki is, I made this! It uses normal TW tags and list fields 
> and if you already have those relationships established, you just need to 
> transclude the template into your text and it will show you your existing 
> tiddlers in board, list, card style.
>
> WARNING: This is still in quite early development and is very much not 
> stable. I'm partway through a refactor of the macros I'm using for listops 
> and they have some bugs.
>
> Still, it's starting to become something, so I'm sharing it now hoping for 
> some feedback from you more experienced users. I'd welcome issues on the 
> GitHub page, or any sort of suggestions here on the forum.
>
> Thanks to all the people who made this awesome little tool!
>
> - Reid
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: [video] HowTo Save TiddlyWiki wihh every browser using IIS and WebDAV

[TonyM]

P.S.


   - Browser embed eg NodeJS no DB

should read

   - Browser embed eg NoteSelf no DB

I would also like to see the in browser embed/save method used by NoteSelf 
(without DB) to be an option on all relevant browsers, with the 
save/download process helping people secure or backup the wiki as at a 
point in time, or to permit distribution or single file use.

This would allow the use of tiddlywiki as a webapp freeing tiddlywiki to 
work in a somewhat server-less mode (After read only open).

Regards
Tony


On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 4:13:21 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mario/ @TiddlyTweeter
> A reboot and auto-load of the IIS Webdav solution its all there working, 
> with Chrome not demonstrating the same fault as before so add Chrome to the 
> list of Very successful browsers on top of Windows 10 Home.
>
> Perhaps I did as you said. Perhaps I would have resolved it if I had 
> searched for the error, something we may expect users to do.
>
> YATWS
>
> Yet another TiddlyWiki server!
>
> @TiddlyTweeter, I agree with the epoch of THE BONANZA OF SAVING METHODS
>
> I also know if there are a hundred ways to do something each with their 
> own bespoke method sometimes people will try a few, and if they don't get 
> what they want and give up. 
>
> We need firm tested solutions and need to provide a structured table of 
> requirements and methods so people can choose the best option. 
>
> One way to excuse the dearth of options and deal with the resulting 
> complexity is to present the number of alternatives as features, with a 
> nice table of advantages and disadvantages for each solution people will be 
> empowered to select one that suits and enter the world of TiddlyWIki with a 
> good impression. 
>
> Here is a brain dump of options I know off that have friendly save and 
> load, please add to this list if I have missed something includes from 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted
>
>
>- Single File on FireFox with TiddlyFox (- Single File on FireFox ESR V52? + TiddlyFox (including 
>Portableapps.com version
>- Single File on Chrome and safari (these does not work in my view 
>although you can work around)
>- With NodeJS on any browser and platform inc Desktop, Server, NAS, 
>Rasberry Pi
>- I believe there is a "runtime" NodeJS bundle I have not yet tested
>- NoteSelf in Browser
>- NoteSelf with DB
>- IIS and WebDav (Chrome, FF, Safari, IE, Edge etc...)
>- Beaker Browser (yet to test)
>- TiddlySpot
>- TiddlyDesktop
>- AndTidWiki? Android
>- Using Node.js in Termux (android)
>- MicroTiddlyServer TWC Only?
>- Using Store PHP
>- TiddlyIE extension (not used by Me)
>- TWEDit on iPad/iPhone
>- Git 
>- Dropbox etc...
>
> There would also be value letting users know which browsers have which 
> kind of tools available, I love a lot about firefox as a complement to 
> tiddlywiki because of addons that integrate but of course this is expected 
> to change.
>
>
> So on consideration of the above each solution need to list features like;
>
>- Single File
>- Multi file (eg Node JS)
>- Database store
>- Save as Single File
>- Platform OS to Host
>- Hosting Method eg NodeJS or IIS WebDav
>- Platform / App / Browser access
>- Read only eg Git? 
>- Browser embed eg NodeJS no DB
>- P2P
>- Interactive but read only ways to publish are also important to many
>- Accessibility/Security eg Localhost, LAN access Internet host
>
> For the conversation
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:33:37 PM UTC+10, PMario wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>> Thanks for testing. ... error 412 ... 
>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Status/412
>>
>> So did you save from an other browser or tab, and then save witch chrome, 
>> without reloading first?
>>
>> -m
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [video] HowTo Save TiddlyWiki wihh every browser using IIS and WebDAV

[TonyM]

Mario/ @TiddlyTweeter
A reboot and auto-load of the IIS Webdav solution its all there working, 
with Chrome not demonstrating the same fault as before so add Chrome to the 
list of Very successful browsers on top of Windows 10 Home.

Perhaps I did as you said. Perhaps I would have resolved it if I had 
searched for the error, something we may expect users to do.

YATWS

Yet another TiddlyWiki server!

@TiddlyTweeter, I agree with the epoch of THE BONANZA OF SAVING METHODS

I also know if there are a hundred ways to do something each with their own 
bespoke method sometimes people will try a few, and if they don't get what 
they want and give up. 

We need firm tested solutions and need to provide a structured table of 
requirements and methods so people can choose the best option. 

One way to excuse the dearth of options and deal with the resulting 
complexity is to present the number of alternatives as features, with a 
nice table of advantages and disadvantages for each solution people will be 
empowered to select one that suits and enter the world of TiddlyWIki with a 
good impression. 

Here is a brain dump of options I know off that have friendly save and 
load, please add to this list if I have missed something includes from 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted


   - Single File on FireFox with TiddlyFox (
> Hi Tony,
>
> Thanks for testing. ... error 412 ... 
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Status/412
>
> So did you save from an other browser or tab, and then save witch chrome, 
> without reloading first?
>
> -m
>

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