[tw5] Getting the value of a field when the known fieldname is a variable

[steve]

Hi, 

I'm having troubles with the value of a field to render correctly. It's a 
bit hard to explain, so I built a quick demo (below) that can be pasted 
into any wiki (such as tiddlywiki.com) -- it will create two tiddlers with 
specified fields, and show you where I'm having trouble getting the vaue of 
a field to render as a link; I can only "see" it using <$view 
field="xxx"/>. Any help, much appreciated! 

Thank,

//steve.


<$button>
<$action-setfield $tiddler="title:tiddler-b" tiddler-a="thefilename.pdf"/>
<$action-setfield $tiddler="title:tiddler-a" my-name="tiddler-a" 
tiddler-b="yes" />
Make Two Tiddlers for testing


<$list filter="[title[title:tiddler-a]has[tiddler-b]]">
<$vars myName={{!!my-name}}>
Looking for tiddlers with field <>
<$list filter="[has]">
tiddler: <$link><>
value of field ''<>'': <$view field=<>/>

Question: how do I get the value of field <> into a link: > target="_blank">this is not the right link!


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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

[TonyM]

Admls,

The collaboration issue on tiddlywiki, especially hosted single file wikis, is 
still a challenge but solutions are now available. I am working on this but I 
will not have a packaged solution for some time. 

Can I suggest using bimlas' disqus or the other from WordPress.you can have 
discussions on and independent from the wiki.

With 5.1.20 we can add local storage and build more collaboration features 
until then a external commenting system appears the best way to discuss and 
github for formal issues.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Same shadow tiddler in different plugins: a question about priority rules

[Jed Carty]

I Matt is correct. In the code correctly the core is added first then the 
other plugins are sorted by name and added in order from a to z then any 
plugins with a priority field with later tiddlers taking precedence over 
earlier ones.

A more detailed description of the sorting:

Plugins with a priority field set go before plugins that don't
Plugins with a priority field are sorted by their priority
Plugins without a priority field are sorted by their titles according to 
unicode order
The core

then plugins are added from the bottom to the top, new tiddlers override 
existing tiddlers.

If you want to see more the function that does the sorting starts on line 
1122 of boot.js

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

[BurningTreeC]

>
> Hi Jan,
>
> Thank you! It has a long way to go yet, but I think it is promising! 
>
> At the moment it doesn't seem to get touch-gestures (or is this my 
>> browser/my tablet fault?)
>>
>
> You're right. That's definitely on my to-do list. I thought it would be 
> best to get the desktop version out and see if there is enough interest 
> before diving into mobile/touch features (as it is further outside my 
> wheelhouse).
>

Hi @admls, I can help with that! It's pretty easy, maybe you already know 
what to do with a description (I can also help with an example later):

- there's the hammerjs plugin in the tiddlywiki plugin library, you can 
require that on top of your tiddler where you listen for the dragging 
events, like

if($tw.browser && !window.Hammer) {
window.Hammer = require("$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/hammerjs/hammer.js");
}

Hammer does the things needed so that you can drag with mouse and fingers

in your widget's "render" function you could do:

this.hammer = new Hammer.Manager(domNode);

this.hammer.add(new Hammer.Pan({
event: 'pan',
pointers: 1,
threshold: 0,
direction: Hammer.DIRECTION_ALL
}));

then you can add the drag-listener:

this.hammer.on('touchmove panstart panmove dragstart draginit drag', 
function(event) {
//do something while dragging, move domNode using coordinates in event
});

and the dragend:

.on('panend pancancel touchend mouseup dragend draginitup', function(e) {
//dragging finished
});


You can see a full example 
here: 
http://hamschinken.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FBurningTreeC%2FHammerWidgets%2Fmodules%2Fwidgets%2Fmove.js
 

all the best, btc

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[tw5] Re: ckeditor does not load plugin BJ Tools VisualEditor

['RVPHX' via TiddlyWiki]

Thank you all for your efforts!

I'm using TiddlyWikiDesktop. The behavior is strange in some places. 
- installing plugins
- chrashes of TiddlyWikiDesktop  

I will change to Firefox and give it a second try. 



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[tw5] Re: TW5: Indirect referencing for external files

[Watt]

This works for me on Android and desktop and does several other formats beside 
video which might be useful for your project.

http://richlinks.tiddlyspot.com

On android my filename looks something like this, but I think it works with 
relative paths too;

<>

Search the forum for 'richlinks'.

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[tw5] Re: TW5: Indirect referencing for external files

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

If you try your format or my format for the address on a desktop platform 
you'll probably find that it works. If it crashes on Android, it probably 
means that either AndTidWiki or the app it attempted to launch crashed, 
most likely due to a memory shortage.  

When you say "opens in an external window", is this some other app, or does 
it offer you a slate of apps to open it with?

Part of the question I have is whether AndTidWiki, which started having 
problems at Android 4.4, will allow you to use relative paths to 
directories that aren't below official public directories. 

I would try using relative paths with plain image files as a test. Use the 
[img[CalamityJane/image.jpg]] or the canonical uri approach and see if 
those work. Those used to work, but may not work now. Another way to test 
is by using Firefox or Chrome browser to open your TW file. Those browsers 
will not be able to save, of course, but they should be able to display 
your image if it is possible. 

If it is not possible, then you may have to put your ShowWiki directory 
inside your public Document or Download folder instead.

Good luck!
-- Mark

On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 9:40:33 AM UTC-7, Al Thorpe wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
> Thanks for the response, sadly that doesn't work.  It doesn't seem to like 
> the location in that format and causes the tw to crash.  The original 
> tiddler is now uneditable due to this issue.
> I had assumed the format would have been "CalamityJane/DeadwoodStagevid.mp4" 
> but that didn't work either.
>
> This is the second part of the question associated with video files, I 
> couldn't seem to get audio to indirect link reliably either on tw5?
>
> Thanks,
> Al
>
>
> On Monday, 18 March 2019 14:59:18 UTC, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> You should be able to use relative paths rather than absolute paths, as 
>> long as the resource directories are below the TW directory.
>>
>> So possibly:
>>
>> src="./CalamityJane/DeadwoodStagevid.mp4
>>
>>
>> Might work. Then you should be able to copy the entire ShowWiki folder to 
>> some other platform and still have it work for viewing.
>>
>> Since you're on Android, I assume by "other" window you mean it opens in 
>> a different app? That probably means that the AndTidWiki webview doesn't 
>> know how to show the video, so passes it off to some other app. It's 
>> behaviour might be different when viewed through a browser on some other 
>> platform.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> -- Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 7:00:37 AM UTC-7, Al Thorpe wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Is it possible to setup indirect references for files for a tw5?
>>>
>>> I am using a tw for a stage show interactive notebook with links to 
>>> audio and video clips for learning music and dance routines.
>>>
>>> Ideally, I would like to setup subdirectories of the ShowWiki location 
>>> for storing different show clips, so that I can pick up the whole wiki and 
>>> folder and drop is somewhere else?
>>>
>>> So:
>>> Showwiki.html has 2 subdirectories
>>> - CalamityJane
>>> - LaBoheme
>>>
>>> And needs to have links using the "mp3/Audio - cannonical" link to the 
>>> appropriate location.
>>>
>>> Also, If I setup a video link, the link always opens in an external 
>>> window rather than within the tw itself, is this correct?
>>>
>>> This is the content of the tiddler:
>>>
>>> >> src="/storage/emulated/0/andtidwiki/ShowWiki/CalamityJane/DeadwoodStagevid.mp4"
>>>   
>>> frameborder="0" allowfullscreen >
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Al
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: TW5: Indirect referencing for external files

[Greg Davis]

Al / Mark,

Sorry, kept looking at the original and didn't pickup on the path. Please 
ignore.

Greg

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Re: [tw5] Re: TW5: Indirect referencing for external files

[Al Thorpe]

Hi Mark / Greg,
I generally use this on the mobile android version 8.0 as you surmise under
andtidwiki.
Thanks
Al

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 20:25 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> It's absolutely relevant, because Android poses some restrictions,
> especially starting at Android 4.4
>
> Also, the AndTidWiki technology may not be able to serve up videos, and
> even it does it may choke on large files.
>
> This path:
>
> /storage/emulated/0/andtidwiki/...
>
> is an android path from and AndTidWiki directory.
>
> -- Mark
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 1:13:33 PM UTC-7, Greg Davis wrote:
>>
>> Hi Al,
>>
>> Looking at your note I'm note sure where Android came up, not sure if it
>> is relevant.
>>
>> That said, I can give you some working examples that work under Windows
>> in Firefox or Chrome. The first two examples are using the latest versions
>> of my macros for video and audio. The local files will not show up on
>> TiddlySpot. See the included readme for listing of the macros included.
>>
>> I don't think the normal TiddlyWiki has a way to display a video in
>> another window. Other people have come up with ways to display a tiddler in
>> another window faily recently I think. The video player can be displayed
>> full screen.
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>> Greg
>>
>> example of calling video, source online or local drive:
>>
>> http://objections2jesus.tiddlyspot.com
>>
>> audio example, the same would apply for using video macros instead:
>>
>> http://churchhistory.tiddlyspot.com
>>
>> Some older examples of macros for audio and video (older versions of
>> macros):
>>
>> http://av-macros.tiddlyspot.com
>>
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[tw5] Re: TW5: Indirect referencing for external files

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It's absolutely relevant, because Android poses some restrictions, 
especially starting at Android 4.4

Also, the AndTidWiki technology may not be able to serve up videos, and 
even it does it may choke on large files.

This path:

/storage/emulated/0/andtidwiki/...

is an android path from and AndTidWiki directory.

-- Mark



On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 1:13:33 PM UTC-7, Greg Davis wrote:
>
> Hi Al,
>
> Looking at your note I'm note sure where Android came up, not sure if it 
> is relevant.
>
> That said, I can give you some working examples that work under Windows in 
> Firefox or Chrome. The first two examples are using the latest versions of 
> my macros for video and audio. The local files will not show up on 
> TiddlySpot. See the included readme for listing of the macros included.
>
> I don't think the normal TiddlyWiki has a way to display a video in 
> another window. Other people have come up with ways to display a tiddler in 
> another window faily recently I think. The video player can be displayed 
> full screen.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Greg
>
> example of calling video, source online or local drive:
>
> http://objections2jesus.tiddlyspot.com
>
> audio example, the same would apply for using video macros instead:
>
> http://churchhistory.tiddlyspot.com
>
> Some older examples of macros for audio and video (older versions of 
> macros):
>
> http://av-macros.tiddlyspot.com
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW5: Indirect referencing for external files

[Greg Davis]

Hi Al,

Looking at your note I'm note sure where Android came up, not sure if it is 
relevant.

That said, I can give you some working examples that work under Windows in 
Firefox or Chrome. The first two examples are using the latest versions of 
my macros for video and audio. The local files will not show up on 
TiddlySpot. See the included readme for listing of the macros included.

I don't think the normal TiddlyWiki has a way to display a video in another 
window. Other people have come up with ways to display a tiddler in another 
window faily recently I think. The video player can be displayed full 
screen.

Hope that helps,
Greg

example of calling video, source online or local drive:

http://objections2jesus.tiddlyspot.com

audio example, the same would apply for using video macros instead:

http://churchhistory.tiddlyspot.com

Some older examples of macros for audio and video (older versions of 
macros):

http://av-macros.tiddlyspot.com

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[tw5] Re: TW5: Indirect referencing for external files

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Are you doing all this on Android? What version?

Thanks
-- Mark

On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 9:40:33 AM UTC-7, Al Thorpe wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
> Thanks for the response, sadly that doesn't work.  It doesn't seem to like 
> the location in that format and causes the tw to crash.  The original 
> tiddler is now uneditable due to this issue.
> I had assumed the format would have been "CalamityJane/DeadwoodStagevid.mp4" 
> but that didn't work either.
>
> This is the second part of the question associated with video files, I 
> couldn't seem to get audio to indirect link reliably either on tw5?
>
> Thanks,
> Al
>
>
> On Monday, 18 March 2019 14:59:18 UTC, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> You should be able to use relative paths rather than absolute paths, as 
>> long as the resource directories are below the TW directory.
>>
>> So possibly:
>>
>> src="./CalamityJane/DeadwoodStagevid.mp4
>>
>>
>> Might work. Then you should be able to copy the entire ShowWiki folder to 
>> some other platform and still have it work for viewing.
>>
>> Since you're on Android, I assume by "other" window you mean it opens in 
>> a different app? That probably means that the AndTidWiki webview doesn't 
>> know how to show the video, so passes it off to some other app. It's 
>> behaviour might be different when viewed through a browser on some other 
>> platform.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> -- Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 7:00:37 AM UTC-7, Al Thorpe wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Is it possible to setup indirect references for files for a tw5?
>>>
>>> I am using a tw for a stage show interactive notebook with links to 
>>> audio and video clips for learning music and dance routines.
>>>
>>> Ideally, I would like to setup subdirectories of the ShowWiki location 
>>> for storing different show clips, so that I can pick up the whole wiki and 
>>> folder and drop is somewhere else?
>>>
>>> So:
>>> Showwiki.html has 2 subdirectories
>>> - CalamityJane
>>> - LaBoheme
>>>
>>> And needs to have links using the "mp3/Audio - cannonical" link to the 
>>> appropriate location.
>>>
>>> Also, If I setup a video link, the link always opens in an external 
>>> window rather than within the tw itself, is this correct?
>>>
>>> This is the content of the tiddler:
>>>
>>> >> src="/storage/emulated/0/andtidwiki/ShowWiki/CalamityJane/DeadwoodStagevid.mp4"
>>>   
>>> frameborder="0" allowfullscreen >
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Al
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Same shadow tiddler in different plugins: a question about priority rules

[Matthew Lauber]

My experience has been that the winning tiddler is based on alphabetical 
order, last plugin wins.  So $:/plugins/mmm would be overwritten by 
$:/plugins/zzz but not $:/plugins/aaa.  But I would be careful of expecting 
any hard and fast rules here, as I don't think the behavior is explicitly 
defined.  It's possible it could change between versions.

Matt

On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 1:09:25 PM UTC-4, mauloop wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of tiddlers that I use to import in every new wiki I set 
> up. Some of them overrides shadows tiddlers from the core as well as from 
> other plugins. I decided to organize all of these into a new plugin saved 
> in the tiddliwiki/plugins/mau folder, to serve all of my existing and 
> coming wikis via tiddlywiki.info.
>
> I found few cases where tiddlers overriding other shadows tiddlers were 
> ignored and the active tiddler was the one coming from the original plugin. 
> I solved forcing the plugin-priority. The question is: having a shadow 
> tiddler stored twice, with the same title, in two different plugins, with 
> no plugin-priority defined, how can I guess which one will be used to build 
> the wiki? I wonder which the general rule is, since I had some cases where 
> I needed to force plugin-priority and others which work as I expected, 
> despite plugin-priority was not defined.
>
> As I said, my case is node.js with plugins served via tiddlywiki.info, 
> but I expect that a single file does not make difference. Or not?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> )+(
>

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[tw5] Re: TW5: Indirect referencing for external files

[Al Thorpe]

Hi Mark,
Thanks for the response, sadly that doesn't work.  It doesn't seem to like 
the location in that format and causes the tw to crash.  The original 
tiddler is now uneditable due to this issue.
I had assumed the format would have been "CalamityJane/DeadwoodStagevid.mp4" 
but that didn't work either.

This is the second part of the question associated with video files, I 
couldn't seem to get audio to indirect link reliably either on tw5?

Thanks,
Al


On Monday, 18 March 2019 14:59:18 UTC, Mark S. wrote:
>
> You should be able to use relative paths rather than absolute paths, as 
> long as the resource directories are below the TW directory.
>
> So possibly:
>
> src="./CalamityJane/DeadwoodStagevid.mp4
>
>
> Might work. Then you should be able to copy the entire ShowWiki folder to 
> some other platform and still have it work for viewing.
>
> Since you're on Android, I assume by "other" window you mean it opens in a 
> different app? That probably means that the AndTidWiki webview doesn't know 
> how to show the video, so passes it off to some other app. It's behaviour 
> might be different when viewed through a browser on some other platform.
>
> Good luck!
> -- Mark
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 7:00:37 AM UTC-7, Al Thorpe wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Is it possible to setup indirect references for files for a tw5?
>>
>> I am using a tw for a stage show interactive notebook with links to audio 
>> and video clips for learning music and dance routines.
>>
>> Ideally, I would like to setup subdirectories of the ShowWiki location 
>> for storing different show clips, so that I can pick up the whole wiki and 
>> folder and drop is somewhere else?
>>
>> So:
>> Showwiki.html has 2 subdirectories
>> - CalamityJane
>> - LaBoheme
>>
>> And needs to have links using the "mp3/Audio - cannonical" link to the 
>> appropriate location.
>>
>> Also, If I setup a video link, the link always opens in an external 
>> window rather than within the tw itself, is this correct?
>>
>> This is the content of the tiddler:
>>
>> > src="/storage/emulated/0/andtidwiki/ShowWiki/CalamityJane/DeadwoodStagevid.mp4"
>>   
>> frameborder="0" allowfullscreen >
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Al
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

[admls]

Hi Jan,

Thank you! It has a long way to go yet, but I think it is promising! 

At the moment it doesn't seem to get touch-gestures (or is this my 
> browser/my tablet fault?)
>

You're right. That's definitely on my to-do list. I thought it would be 
best to get the desktop version out and see if there is enough interest 
before diving into mobile/touch features (as it is further outside my 
wheelhouse). 

Did you already explain on what mechanism you built this?
>

It's a widget that gets transcluded into tiddlers. The widget finds what 
tiddler it is in and adds a couple of eventListeners. Then there are some 
global modules that handle the event system. Then there's a storyview and 
another global to handle navigation in that storyview (since it is fairly 
complex). There's some unfortunate template mangling that happens along the 
way (hopefully, a more easily configurable template system will come along 
and this won't be necessary). And there's a hacky plugin for managing 
popups and dropdowns. That's the whole thing in a nutshell!

Best wishes,

admls

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

[Jan]

Hi admls,
i just realized what a fantastic thing you did there. I desired this for 
a year.

Did you already explain on what mechanism you built this?

At the moment it doesnt seem to get touch-gestures (or is this my 
browser/my tablet fault?)


Thanks a lot for this it is a big puzzlestone in making tw an even 
greater application to work in classrooms!


Ahoi! Jan





Am 12.03.2019 um 12:29 schrieb JD:

Hi admls,

Wow! This is so cool! The tiddlers stay within the browser when 
resizing the window, and it looks so easy to style!


This will change my desktop tw-ing habits. No longer do I need to keep 
a separate notepad.exe running as a clipboard when I can use a tiddler 
served through Mentat instead! Aah... am already thinking of the 
efficiency this will add to my workflow...


Thank you so much for sharing!

-jd


On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 11:23:34 AM UTC+9, admls wrote:

Hi Folks,

I'm sort of publishing 4 plugins that create a flexible,
customizable ui:

* Repopup
* Volant
* Engine
* Mentat

You can go check them out over here
https://admls.github.io/Mentat/ 

Why "sort of"? Because I'm having trouble with the packaging from
node, is why. In any case, I wanted to put these out there so that
anyone who wishes to may experiment with them a bit. I'll work on
figuring out how to get them packaged correctly in the coming
days. I hope you enjoy them!

Best wishes,

admls

P.s. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to improve
them. This is my first sort of major programming project, so I'd
love to learn how to polish it a bit.

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[tw5] Re: workaround for apache webdav

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I use Apache with WebDav for my TiddlyWiki server. Https and basic auth 
both enabled. My config, with explanation is 
here: http://thelostadmin.tiddlyspot.com/#Apache%20HTTPD%20with%20WebDAV

If it's not working, let me know what is wrong and I'll double-check my 
current actual config.

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[tw5] Re: TW5: Indirect referencing for external files

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

You should be able to use relative paths rather than absolute paths, as 
long as the resource directories are below the TW directory.

So possibly:

src="./CalamityJane/DeadwoodStagevid.mp4


Might work. Then you should be able to copy the entire ShowWiki folder to 
some other platform and still have it work for viewing.

Since you're on Android, I assume by "other" window you mean it opens in a 
different app? That probably means that the AndTidWiki webview doesn't know 
how to show the video, so passes it off to some other app. It's behaviour 
might be different when viewed through a browser on some other platform.

Good luck!
-- Mark



On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 7:00:37 AM UTC-7, Al Thorpe wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Is it possible to setup indirect references for files for a tw5?
>
> I am using a tw for a stage show interactive notebook with links to audio 
> and video clips for learning music and dance routines.
>
> Ideally, I would like to setup subdirectories of the ShowWiki location for 
> storing different show clips, so that I can pick up the whole wiki and 
> folder and drop is somewhere else?
>
> So:
> Showwiki.html has 2 subdirectories
> - CalamityJane
> - LaBoheme
>
> And needs to have links using the "mp3/Audio - cannonical" link to the 
> appropriate location.
>
> Also, If I setup a video link, the link always opens in an external window 
> rather than within the tw itself, is this correct?
>
> This is the content of the tiddler:
>
>  src="/storage/emulated/0/andtidwiki/ShowWiki/CalamityJane/DeadwoodStagevid.mp4"
>   
> frameborder="0" allowfullscreen >
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Best Regards,
> Al
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

[admls]

 Hi Everybody,

Actually, if everybody with a github account could raise the issues on 
https://github.com/admls/Mentat that would be helpful. I'm already losing 
track of what needs to be looked at. Fine to raise it here too, of course, 
but please link to the issue on github. That will make it a bit easier for 
me to keep track and to keep the conversations separate instead of 
bombarding everyone with my responses to everyone else. If you don't have a 
github account, no worries. Just keep raising issues here in the forum. All 
issues welcome: bugs, feature requests, etc.

Best wishes,

adamls

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[tw5] Re: ckeditor does not load plugin BJ Tools VisualEditor

[Birthe C]

Hi RVPHX,

On Linux using Chromium, I tried downloading and loading from local. That 
worked also. I dragged the ckeditor.js from my filemanager to a new tab in 
the browser to get the path right. Copied and used in the 
$:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib. 
Save and and reload your wiki. I worked straight away.


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

[admls]

Hi Everybody,

Thanks for all the feedback! I'm starting to think we need to reorganize 
things somewhat to facilitate better collaboration on this. Any ideas on 
that front?

@Birthe

The buttons are easy drag button, Create a new story window and Choose the 
> story visualisation. They "disappear" but are visual when hovering.
> But looking at it once more I found out that it is because the buttons 
> turn white. So in classic view they are white on the blue background but of 
> course they are not visible when changing to mentat.
>

I haven't had a chance to look at the palette issue yet, but I suspect it 
is a straightforward css fix if the issue is happening to Volant specific 
buttons. If it is happening to menu buttons generally, that'll be a bigger 
issue. I'll look at that today if I get the chance.

@JD

I've been using Volant extensively for a while now and would like to share 
> two tiddlers that add some practicality for me... I don't mean for these to 
> be added to your plugins but just some optional extra for people who'd like 
> this too. They can be found and demoed here:
>

Your design work is always fantastic. I would be interested in what you can 
do to make the ui more elegant in my plugins. If we can figure out a way to 
effectively collaborate on this, I'd be open to that (no pressure, of 
course). I definitely think that transparent resizers is an improvement. 
Once volant tiddlers became sufficiently familiar in the tiddlywiki 
community, I am hoping that can become the default. I look forward to what 
you'll do with these plugins!

One note about your stylesheet: you are getting every volant tiddler by 
title. I don't think that necessary. That happens in the Volant plugin 
because each tiddler is getting different information about their position 
on the screen. But I don't think its necessary for what you're doing. Every 
volant tiddler can be css selected with ".volant". Though, if you are 
wanting to get only those tiddlers tagged $:/Volant, I realize I need to 
change $:/VolantAbsolute. Because as it stands now, 
[data-tags*="$:/Volant"] will select all the tiddlers tagged 
$:/VolantAbsolute as well as those tagged $:/Volant, which may not be what 
you want. Though, maybe you could do 
[data-tags*="$:/Volant"]:not([data-tags*="$:/VolantAbsolute"]). I realize 
that's not pretty. I'll have a look at changing $:/VolantAbsolute. Maybe 
$:/AbsoluteVolant would be better.

Also would like to report that I get some JS error with the following:
>

That's the Repopup plugin acting up. I'm not sure why it is doing that 
exactly on the page you showed me. But I know what the code is that's doing 
it. I'll have a look at it tonight if I get the chance. That expense 
tracker is awesome, by the way!

@Mohammad

Is it possible to have another button arrange floating tiddlers like 
> Windows 10?I mean snap them to left, right, or top! This would be great for 
> viewing the tiddlers side by side!
>

 I don't think this belongs in the volant plugin, but it can very easily be 
an addon. I have an idea how to implement it. It uses the same mechanism 
that reset uses. If the tiddlywiki hotkey system (which I know very little 
about) will support it, I think hotkeys could be a good way to do this, 
just as in some of your references. That would avoid cluttering the ui 
visually anymore than it already is while still giving you the 
functionality you are looking for. I'll take a look at this thing this week 
if I get the chance. It's a cool idea. I like how fast it could feel. I 
think it should be relatively straightforward to implement (but I often 
think that before I actually try coding it).

@TonyM

It would be nice to be able to limit this width to one screen or less so we 
> can see both the left and right hand side of the story tiddlers in that 
> screen and leave the rest as a playground for other window tiddlers. 
>

I'm not entirely sure where to start with this. Does the normal story river 
do the same thing, or is it only the Mentat story windows? I don't have 3 
monitors, making anything I do tricky to test. I have one idea that might 
work if it is a problem that only affects the story windows. But I need to 
have a look at the code. I'll check it out.

If you could describe a little more on the demo site how one would go about 
> using it for the new commer I would appreciate it. It is quite easy to get 
> disoriented. 
>

The demos and docs are definitely sparse. They need a lot of help, and this 
is an aspect of the process that I struggle with. The code, itself, is in a 
similar state of inaccessibility. It is an issue I know needs to be 
addressed in a big way.

@Everybody again

Thanks again for all the feedback! Just so you know, there could be a lot 
of changes to how these plugins work in the coming months. So be aware if 
you are building something that relies on them heavily, the ground might 
just shift beneath your feet. I know this isn't an ideal, but I think if 

[tw5] Dropboard templates

[icqol . secretary]

I am starting to use the Dropboard plugin by Reid Gould 
https://reidgould.github.io/tiddlywiki-dropboard/ but I would like to 
modify it a bit, so that instead of getting a new blank board when I press 
the button, I get a new board that is already populated with a few 
tiddlers. For example, if I were using this for a workshop, if I click on 
the new board button I would already have three main tiddlers (Intro, Main, 
Closing (hopefully uniquely named with the date, say)) set up, which I 
could then include tiddlers within. 

I tried to create my own button, and modified the code 

<$button tooltip="New Board" class=<>>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> tags="" text="""<$transclude 
tiddler="$:/plugins/reidgould/dpbd/templates/view/Board" mode="inline" 
/>""" />
<$list filter="[prefix[yes]]">
{{$:/plugins/reidgould/dpbd/images/Dropboard}}

<$list filter="[prefix[yes]]">
New Board



by changing 
 
$:/plugins/reidgould/dpbd/templates/view/Board

to 
$:/plugins/reidgould/dpbd/templates/view/NewWorkshop

(after creating this tiddler by cloning the one above)
and changing the tooltip/text references to New Workshop.

I was able to verify the new button was using the cloned tiddler. Changes 
to the NewWorkshop template tiddler in edit more were reflected in the 
button-created tiddler, but if I populated my cloned template 
($:/plugins/reidgould/dpbd/templates/view/NewWorkshop) 
tiddler with tiddlers, these never showed up when I clicked the button. The 
new boards were always blank, and what they looked like in edit mode was 
different than what they looked like in view mode. Something must be going 
on behind the scenes, or I am not going about this the right way...

If by any chance anyone has a clue, I would be grateful.

Thanks in advance..

DC

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[tw5] TW5: Indirect referencing for external files

[Al Thorpe]

 Hi,
Is it possible to setup indirect references for files for a tw5?

I am using a tw for a stage show interactive notebook with links to audio
and video clips for learning music and dance routines.

Ideally, I would like to setup subdirectories of the ShowWiki location for
storing different show clips, so that I can pick up the whole wiki and
folder and drop is somewhere else?

So:
Showwiki.html has 2 subdirectories
- CalamityJane
- LaBoheme

And needs to have links using the "mp3/Audio - cannonical" link to the
appropriate location.

Also, If I setup a video link, the link always opens in an external window
rather than within the tw itself, is this correct?

This is the content of the tiddler:



Thanks for your help,

Best Regards,
Al

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[tw5] Re: Selectable input fields - a work in progress

[BurningTreeC]

>
> BTC,
>
> I like it a lot because it simplifies coding. I'm an amateur. Give me a 
> macro already.
>

everyone likes simple things

there is a macro, it's called selectable-input, you call it 
<> or <$macrocall $name="selectable-input"/>, the params 
are described at the page, examples are given, the most complex example are 
the $:/core/macros/tag-picker and the $:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/search 
tiddlers which are customized to make use of the selectable-input macro

I'm sure other useful macros can be built around it


> Good things
> Josiah
>
>  

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[tw5] Re: ckeditor does not load plugin BJ Tools VisualEditor

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Birthe

Very good to know.

Thank you!

J.

On Monday, 18 March 2019 14:18:12 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
>
> On Linux using Chromium and TW5 version 5.1.19, it worked just as 
> explained by BJ, http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/#VisualEditor
>
> Drag and drop the plugin to your TW. Save and refresh.
>
> I used it from the web and got the link 
> https://ckeditor.com/ckeditor-4/download/
>
> Open tiddler: $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib
>
> Insert :http://cdn.ckeditor.com/4.11.3/standard/ckeditor.js
> ">
>
> Save and refresh your TW.
>
> Create a new tiddler, set the type to text/x-htmlp. Save and close the 
> tiddler. When you open your tiddler again it will load the visual editor.
>
> Downloading and using library locally I have never tried. Using it from 
> the web it does not take long time to load.
>
>
> Birthe
>
>
> mandag den 18. marts 2019 kl. 12.45.58 UTC+1 skrev @TiddlyTweeter:
>>
>> IMO its pretty amazing you can still get it to work. BJ made that yonks 
>> ago. Since then ckeditor has changed a lot, as has TW.
>>
>> I do think an information update on INSTALL could be useful?
>>
>> I'm sure BJ will help if you ask him.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>>>


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[tw5] Re: ckeditor does not load plugin BJ Tools VisualEditor

[Birthe C]

Hi Josiah,

On Linux using Chromium and TW5 version 5.1.19, it worked just as explained 
by BJ, http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/#VisualEditor

Drag and drop the plugin to your TW. Save and refresh.

I used it from the web and got the link 
https://ckeditor.com/ckeditor-4/download/

Open tiddler: $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib

Insert :http://cdn.ckeditor.com/4.11.3/standard/ckeditor.js";>

Save and refresh your TW.

Create a new tiddler, set the type to text/x-htmlp. Save and close the 
tiddler. When you open your tiddler again it will load the visual editor.

Downloading and using library locally I have never tried. Using it from the 
web it does not take long time to load.


Birthe


mandag den 18. marts 2019 kl. 12.45.58 UTC+1 skrev @TiddlyTweeter:
>
> IMO its pretty amazing you can still get it to work. BJ made that yonks 
> ago. Since then ckeditor has changed a lot, as has TW.
>
> I do think an information update on INSTALL could be useful?
>
> I'm sure BJ will help if you ask him.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: workaround for apache webdav

[PMario]

Hi, 

Did you try to disable server side compression, AND did it work out?

I want to upload a new plugin later today. .. I can PM you an experimental 
version, if you want to test and give feedback. 

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: Selectable input fields - a work in progress

[@TiddlyTweeter]

BTC,

I like it a lot because it simplifies coding. I'm an amateur. Give me a 
macro already.

Good things
Josiah

On Friday, 15 March 2019 22:09:13 UTC+1, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi community,
>
> I'd like to show my selectable-inputs tiddlyspot page which is all about 
> text inputs whose text-content can be changed using keyboard shortcuts like 
> the down/up arrow keys
>
> http://selectable-inputs.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
> It's a work in progress and I'd really like to work it out so that it can 
> safely be used
>
> It makes it possible to create input fields and textareas using a macro 
> that gives them wings ... ;)
>
> The page has a step-by-step how to and two demos in form of the search 
> field in the sidebar and the tags input of tiddlers in edit mode
>
>
>
> What do you think about it?
>
> All the best,
> BTC
>

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[tw5] Re: Selectable input fields - a work in progress

[BurningTreeC]

A little but exciting update on this

Yesterday Jeremy introduced a really cool mechanism to the core that allows 
subclassing of widgets,
which means any widget can be customized without the need to overwrite core 
javascript tiddlers

This plugin now uses that mechanism and the "Big note of Doom" is gone ;)

have a nice start to the week, btc

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[tw5] Re: Named story rivers (or trails)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Joe

I thought about this a lot.

Dimensional endless variant pathways in TW is EASY. Just no one is doing it.

Why not make every word in a Tiddler a link and see what happens?

Josiah 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Named story rivers (or trails)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Caro S.S.

Regarding "Why Bother?" see   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLGAHepMhbg. 
"Tiny Christs" is the answer.

Back on planet TW, I'd guess a beginner needs to navigate without a zillion 
ways. Just Forward / Back / & Done.

I think the issue us as much about *navigation* as it is about what is 
navigated?

Just thoughts
@TT


S. S. wrote
>
> ... Painless Functional Specifications
>
>- Part 1: Why Bother? 
>
> 
>  
>- Part 2: What’s a Spec? 
>
> 
>  
>- Part 3: But… How? 
>
> 
>
> I nominate: @TiddlyTweeter - perhaps guided by Joe Armstrong
>

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[tw5] Re: ckeditor does not load plugin BJ Tools VisualEditor

[@TiddlyTweeter]

IMO its pretty amazing you can still get it to work. BJ made that yonks 
ago. Since then ckeditor has changed a lot, as has TW.

I do think an information update on INSTALL could be useful?

I'm sure BJ will help if you ask him.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Monday, 18 March 2019 04:52:58 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi RVPHX,
>
> Did you remember to set the tiddler type and what type did you use? I had 
> to to try a couple of ckeditor versions to get it working with 
> type=text/x-htmlp. I used the library from the web.
>
>
> Birthe
>
> mandag den 18. marts 2019 kl. 02.24.28 UTC+1 skrev RVPHX:
>>
>> How to solve this problem?
>>
>> Win 10 Pro 1803 64 bit
>> Firefox Quantum 65.0.2 64 bit
>> TiddlyWiki Version 5.1.19
>>
>> That works:
>>
>> [image: ckeditor_1.PNG]
>>
>> But 
>>
>> 
>>
>> or 
>>
>> > >
>>
>> aren't working.
>>
>>
>> Then ckeditor does not load and also no (visible) error message(s). 
>>
>>
>>
>> I downloaded the CKEDITOR Standard Package and followed the instructions 
>> from BJ Tools VisualEditor $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor. 
>> 
>>
>>
>> To avoid querks with loading the library from the web include the library 
 from your Computer ...
>>>
>>>
>> And promptly I have the querks!
>>
>> What's wrong?
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid v0.0.8alpha Downloadable, Configurable Resources

[David Nebauer]

Mark S., you are correct. I started my android wiki with a "full wiki" 
download of the "TW for New Users" at 
http://tiddlywiki.psat.com.au/TW5NewUser.html. It was that wiki that 
displayed the problem with the invisible menu.

I have switched to an empty download of tiddlywiki.com wiki and the problem 
has disappeared.

Regards,
David.

On Monday, 18 March 2019 03:41:28 UTC+9:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> I think this sort of thing will depend on the nature of your hosted TW, 
> themes, tweaks, and/or your screen size and orientation.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Sunday, March 17, 2019 at 3:26:53 AM UTC-7, David Nebauer wrote:
>>
>>
>> Only one usability issue to report: when I invoke the "More" dropdown 
>> from the ViewToolbar, the resulting menu is invisible.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: My DATE is misbehavin'

[S. S.]

Thanks Tony.

I would find your proposal perfect for my problem, and I made a comment on 
GitHub to that effect.

As for filling in the fields "*in the correct format*" - I did mention that 
it is not natural to fill in date fields in that way. I want to write 
quickly and in formats that I can READ and understand when looking at it. I 
compromised already by using -MM-DD instead of DD-MM- - as I can 
easily comprehend both of those when typing and checking for entry errors. 
I do not have the ability to smoothly visually check MMDD for errors - 
the unbroken string of numbers is too long.

By using the UTC in the $view widget template, it ensures my date does not 
deviate by a DAY when time zone changes affect the result. For example, 
when I made the first post above, my *date-field* held: *20190317* but the 
date displayed by the $view widget without *[UTC]* in its template 
attribute showed the Long Date as: *Monday 18th March 2019* !!

So the question remains, - How does one easily display a Long Date held in 
a variable?

Regards.


On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 11:51:29 AM UTC+7, TonyM wrote:
>
> S S
>
> Please add support to my request here 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3789 on this very subject.
>
> I try to fill the fields in the correct format in the first place, rather 
> than convert it on the fly. I expect it may be easier in 5.1.20 because you 
> could multiply a number by 10 to get the full format. Until then 
> consider using calc or evans formulae plugin (which also provides date 
> manipulation) as a replaceable value. 
>
> Be careful to use UTC in the resulting formats.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>

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