date:20200325

@TT
*"Most people I know won't get tested because they can't afford treatment."* 

I believe your friend is misinformed.  You test positive, they send you 
home unless you require hosipitalization for serious symptoms.  There's no 
treatment.  When they do have something and the government is footng the 
bill, they will cover it cause most of the state governments want this over 
ASAP (like NYC is doing with the malaria drug test if I'm understanding 
correctly).  Despite what Trump may say, the state governments can oppose 
him and they're actually running the show not the Federal Government.

As Mark said about Texas being a red state-- the rural areas which Vidor is 
in are stauntly conservative.

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>
>
> If the rich don't get it, or those in prison etc.. it is not universal.  
>

Touche :  )   Prisoners get medical through the prison system I believe its 
the state's responsibility to provide for their medical needs.
 

> Our health care has being threatened a number of times, the "weasel words" 
> used in health and social security are, its a "safety net" rather than 
> universal. I don't like the idea of safety net, it makes me feel unless 
> they arrive in time you will hit the ground.
>

Or makes it sound like it's only there for when you fall, otherwise you're 
on your own 

We have Medicare (paid tor in wages taxes, that can be SUPPLEMENTED not 
replaced by private insurance, mainly for seniors and the disabled).  We 
also have MediAid for low income.  America is not a universal state yet but 
providing mainly for the poverty stricken, disabled and seniors. If you 
work and make over so much you're on your own, till maybe the ACA (I think 
they offer more options-- but don't quote me-- I have medical thru the 
military and VA so I don't know whats up with medical insurance), before 
that I had none and have the scars to prove it.

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Only 1.5% of your wage? And the poor are protected? That's worth writing 
home about.


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A Gloom,

don't make enough to afford private health insurance-- they are the ones 
> whole need universal health not someone making $100,000 or more.
>

If the rich don't get it, or those in prison etc.. it is not universal.  

However in Australia we have a medicare levy, medicare being our healthcare 
system. I am not sure the exact figures but we all pay something like 1.5% 
of our wages through the tax system and people over say $70K will pay 
another percent if they do not prove they have private health insurance. 
However if you earn little or nothing you do not pay the medicare levy and 
in fact may be entitled to cheaper prescriptions and more, if they issue 
you with a "health care card". With insurance, you always have the choice 
to go public or private.

Our health care has being threatened a number of times, the "weasel words" 
used in health and social security are, its a "safety net" rather than 
universal. I don't like the idea of safety net, it makes me feel unless 
they arrive in time you will hit the ground.

More recently we have also adopted the "National Disability Insurance 
scheme" in which the Government insures all Australians such if they are 
born with or or acquire a disability they will be covered for help, 
equipment, care and basic support income their whole life. Interestingly 
this takes a lot of pressure of large payouts or legal suits, by being "off 
the table", overall insurance premiums can drop.

Whilst I am proud of Australia's health care system, it is always in need 
of improvement, and the main reason I explain it to others is so they are 
informed to influence their own Governments, or will share the ideas within 
their own systems.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] file-backups plugin will be updated at: March 20th - Browser restart required!

Like you, I rotate which methods I use for saving. Sometimes because one 
method is superior to another, and sometimes just because.

The thing that bothers me about tiddlydesktop, and it isn't even an actual 
error, is that it appears in the icon tray just as a plain square icon. It 
just feels *unofficial* like that.


Thanks!

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 5:39:22 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Perhaps you understand the following but for clarity.
>
> Marios solution is one of the available ones, and takes a reduced 
> dependencies approach buy working with the permissions that the browser 
> gives to a tiddlywiki file. Your desire to customise and change folders is 
> understandable but by its nature incompatible with such customisations.
>
> For example I do not use Marios worthy solution personally, because with 
> my computer use, I must be able chose to where I download things.
>
> If you want to discuss other want to discuss other strategies just ask. I 
> expect you are aware of the following; All from my Windows position;
>
>- Timimi
>- tw-receiver on php
>- TiddlyServer
>- TiddlyDesktop
>- Bob/Bobeexe
>- TWexe 
>- Others
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 8:07:53 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Ok, keep in mind that I'm talking about setting the download directory to 
>> a root directory, like C:\.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 12:59:21 PM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 6:55:45 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:

 I was having trouble with one specific file. file-backups wanted to 
 revert to a "save-as" dialog.

>>>
>>> Please check your browser option: "Always ask you where to save files" 
>>> .. It should be _not_ checked.
>>>
>>
>> Right -- in fact you can't set a download directory to C:\ without 
>> changing this. So it has never been set to "Always ask..." in any of the 
>> tests that I have mentioned.
>>   
>>
>> After the save, a green banner opens, that tells you, you need to open 
>>> the "newly" saved TW from the browser downloads folder. 
>>> This is the location where file-backups can save to. 
>>>
>>>
>> I've not seen the green banner. Maybe it flashes by?
>>  
>>
>>> On another issue, what path can you give fb to tell it to save in an 
 absolute location?

>>>
>>> That's not possible (because of browser security concerns) and it's not 
>>> needed.
>>>
>>
>> Ok, I just realized that I can use ../.. to back out of the current 
>> directory. So that works. I don't need to send the backups to a different 
>> physical drive. Just one single point where they're not part of the weekly 
>> backup plan.
>>
>>  
>>>
>>> Every path I try gives me the red outline.

>>>
>>> The "red" dialogue is opened, if a TW file from the same location and 
>>> name, is opened in 2 or more browser tabs. 
>>> If 2 tabs edit the same file, this can lead to data loss. That's why 
>>> there is the red banner.
>>>
>>
>> No, I'm not talking about the red dialogue. I'm talking about the 
>> download path directory. It gets outlined with red when you try to put an 
>> absolute directory in. But I see now that I can use ../.. to select some 
>> other directory, so I think it's going to work.
>>   
>>
>>> There are many reasons a person might not want to save in the same 
 directory as the original file.

>>>
>>> *If you want to get a download dialogue everytime* you save the wiki, 
>>> you shouldn't use addOns at all. They are all designed to overwrite the 
>>> existing file. That's the only reason, why we created them.
>>>
>>>  
>> I wasn't talking about the original source file. I was talking about the 
>> files in twbackups. I want them to save somewhere else. I don't want them 
>> to save in the original files' directory or sub-directory because that will 
>> cause more maintenance headaches.
>>
>> For instance, tiddlydesktop has a backup, and I just set it to send the 
>> backups to a directory on a drive that has lots of free space. I don't have 
>> to worry about remembering to delete the backup set before doing a physical 
>> backup.
>>  
>>
>>> As far as I know, syncthing only syncs files (or even segments of files) 
>>> that have been changed, which doesn't happen too often for the eg. D, E, F 
>>> .. backups of file-backups. So only parts of the "original" and the backups 
>>> actually go over the wire.
>>>
>>>
>> I only know that syncthing takes a long time to run. I think it's because 
>> it has to evaluate all those files and compare them with the other file 
>> system. So the more files it has to compare, the longer the process takes.
>>
>> Thanks for your time. I think the problem with saving had something to do 
>> with the backups, so if it happens again I'll just clean out the twbackups 
>> directory for that file.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>  
>>
>

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On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 4:24:52 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>
>
> I'll have to test this. ... Is D:\ a windows network directory, or is it a 
> "samba mount" to a unix-like system.
>  
>
>
Yes, it is a network drive, or rather, a drive provided by Cryptomator 
(cryptomator creates a mount point for a collection of encrypted files). 
It's using Dokany, which I guess is similar to an enhanced webdav.

After F12, there don't seem to be any errors related to saving. Just 
"Saving wiki with method autosave..." . 

I suppose they have some extra, extra safety that gets applied to network 
drives.

Thanks!

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TT

It is Southern Texas. Vidor. It is a small city with a bad reputation.
>

 Vidor actually isn't too far south, its north of Houston and near 
Louisiana (more like the east part of the state).  What I consider South 
Texas is much further south-- the Rio Grande Valley, which is much worst 
off.  It's a small city in a rural area, so they're not going to get the 
same attenton/resources as the major metropolitan areas.  But even in the 
best of cities, there's disadvantaged people, so Vidor don't need a rep to 
have people in need.  America is huge with the bulk of its population in 
urban areas so the rural areas tend to get neglected or tended to last.  
When you hear of people being without electricity after a hurricane, its 
people out in the rural areas.  This would also hold true during a 
pandemic-- the larger urban will get the most attention and resources.

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[tw5] Re: Offer of multi-user TiddlyWiki 5 hosting for educators

2020-03-25 Thread springer

So here I am, jumping in to confirm that Jeremy created a great tool for my 
remote teaching by porting my TW5 (previously at tiddlyspot) over to 
xememex, where a "master" TW5 is available only to me, and a "target" TW5 
is available to students as a space where they can log in and add comments, 
but without risk of the source material getting messed up.

As Jeremy pointed out, my TW5 is already heavily populated (mostly with 
accumulated stuff carried over from TWC), and so this just new way of 
serving it up just enabled a "asynchronous" kind of interaction to help 
mitigate the loss of in-class opportunities to navigate the material 
together and use the tiddlers as springboards for discussion. Please do 
check it out, and feel free to contact me with questions. What students see 
is here: https://xememex.com/ethicsatwes

One feature I am only beginning to dig into is that the "target" site can 
be modified directly, and if I modify a tiddler there (such as a stylesheet 
tiddler), it will from then on resist being overwritten by the master. 
Having some style differences between the two is actually useful, for quick 
visual recognition. But also, I can make it so that the interface at the 
target page is less cluttered with things that students don't need to see.

Students only "returned" (to virtual classes) on Monday, so I haven't got 
very much actual interaction to report. Stay tuned...

-Springer

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 12:10:47 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> There's a lot more I hope to discuss about our response as a community to 
> the Coronavirus, but today I wanted to start with one simple thing that I 
> can do right now that I hope might make a small impact.
>
>
> The offer is simple: to give educators who already use TiddlyWiki 5 in a 
> classroom setting the infrastructure they need to be able to use it with 
> remote students.
>
>
> It's based on Xememex, a cloud-based multi-user implementation of 
> TiddlyWiki that I initially built to host the Anna Freud Manuals project 
> (now at https://manuals.annafreud.org/) when it had to migrate from 
> TiddlySpace. Xememex uses an extended form of the bag/recipe model from 
> TiddlySpace to give flexible ways to combine content into wikis. It is now 
> fairly mature with several hundred users and several hundred wikis, with 
> intertwingled content between them.
>
>
> Elise Springer of Wesleyan University, Connecticut kindly agreed to trial 
> the system with her Ethics class. We exported the existing course material 
> from TiddlySpot and setup two new spaces:
>
>- https://xememex.com/ethicsatwes is the space used by the 34 students 
>to review the course material and attach their comments. They have their 
>own login credentials and once logged in can leave comments using the TW 
>comment plugin
>- https://xememex.com/ethicsatwes-teacher is the teacher site that 
>only Elise can edit. It contains the course material, which is also 
>automatically transcluded into the student space
>
> Hopefully Elise will be able to jump in and explain more about how the 
> space will be used during teaching, but I believe it's for a combination of 
> synchronous presentations via Zoom and asynchronous coursework by the 
> students working alone.
>
>
> If we can keep to a small number of variations of this setup then I see no 
> reason why we can't support hundreds of educators. I may have to appeal for 
> help with funding this initiative if it's a wild success but I don't intend 
> to worry about that for the moment.
>
>
> I'm posting now to gauge interest, so please do reply here (or via email), 
> and give an outline of your needs. The next step is that I will post a 
> spreadsheet with the information I'll require to set things up. In the 
> meantime, please feel free to ask any questions.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
> Jeremy
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] ReadOnlyCore - real read-only mode for tiddlywiki

Jed,

FYI: On download I get the message "Undefined widget 'edit-text' " in the 
place of the search text, and in the advanced search tabs.

It looks really good and very locked down.

I have thought about how to use this. It would be a great way to publish a 
version at at a point in time. 

With this in mind a nice little feature would be if there were a namespace 
such as

$:/readonly-tiddlers

Such that it may be the prefix for tiddlers eg
$:/readonly-tiddlers/$:/SiteTitle
or
$:/readonly-tiddlers/mytiddler


Thus

   - Such that when the readonly tiddler is generated these replace their 
   namesake $:/SiteTitle or mytiddler in the generated wikifile.
   - This would allow customisations to the readonly build without being 
   active in the source wiki.
   - The inner wiki plugin achieves something similar with its data 
   tiddlers, but rather than remove as your plugin does you have to add to the 
   empty version.
   - Sending your readonly wiki into an innerwiki would allow the readonly 
   wiki to be previewed before saving.

Nice work
Tony

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 10:15:26 AM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Another of the things that I hadn't gotten around to releasing, a plugin 
> that you add to a wiki and it lets you export a version of the wiki with 
> the core plugin replaced with one that makes the wiki read only.
> The exported wiki has all tiddler editing and importing functions removed. 
> The navigator widget has the parts that let you edit tiddlers removed, and 
> any buttons or interfaces for them taken out too.
>
> There is one way that someone could find a way to exploit, which is there 
> are places where you can edit tiddlers like the site title, where you could 
> put in wiki text and maybe use it to edit other tiddlers.
>
> I can remove the edit widgets but then the search and other things won't 
> work. If it is a problem I may make a second version that has the edit 
> widgets removed.
>
> The plugin is available on the demo wiki here: 
> https://ooktech-tw.gitlab.io/plugins/readonlycore/
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]


>
> We would need to get rid of a lot of EU restrictions. Reduce a hell of a 
> lot of bureaucrazy.
>

>From experiences in government and private sector-- there's no avoiding 
bureaucrazy-- the larger and more complex something gets (like a 
corporation or government agency/program) so does the rules/regs/red tape 
and expenses-- no avoiding it, you can only try to improve/correct issues-- 
thats where the problem lies, the systems aren't flexible enough to asjust 
quickly.

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[tw5] Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] file-backups plugin will be updated at: March 20th - Browser restart required!

Mario,

Snapshot saves are very useful when designing especialy if the restore to 
latest snapshot is clear and easy. Backups server more of an everyday 
guarantee, snapshots are a nice ad hoc option, perhaps just before saving a 
tiddler with a potential show stopper in it.

Love your work
Tony


On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 10:37:30 PM UTC+11, PMario wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:07:53 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
> ...
>
>> I wasn't talking about the original source file. I was talking about the 
>> files in twbackups. I want them to save somewhere else. I don't want them 
>> to save in the original files' directory or sub-directory because that will 
>> cause more maintenance headaches.
>>
>
> OK I see.
>  
>
>> For instance, tiddlydesktop has a backup, and I just set it to send the 
>> backups to a directory on a drive that has lots of free space. I don't have 
>> to worry about remembering to delete the backup set before doing a physical 
>> backup.
>>
>
> Yea, TD creates an unlimited number of files. file-backups creates the 
> number of files you allow it, to create (PLUS 1 for the "out of order" 
> save). So the size should be deterministic.
>
> --
>
> I was thinking about the possibility to create something like a "Snapshot 
> Save". Which will do a similar thing as the "out of order" backup, but with 
> the possibility to configure a "snapshot-name". ... like: myWiki-(Version 
> 1) ... where "Version 1" is the snapshot name and can be anything. 
>
> Following our discussion, I think there should be a different directory 
> setting for the snapshots. Defaulting to twSnapshots
>
> -mario
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] file-backups plugin will be updated at: March 20th - Browser restart required!

Mark,

Perhaps I misread your paragraph,

On another issue, what path can you give fb to tell it to save in an 
> absolute location? Every path I try gives me the red outline. There are 
> many reasons a person might not want to save in the same directory as the 
> original file. For one thing, it means the "real" backup to a separate 
> drive will be longer. The working drive may have less capacity than the 
> backup drive. There is more overhead when running dropbox or syncthing.


No probs, just trying to help.

Regards
Tony 

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 1:56:06 PM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Customize and change folders ... where did you get that?
>
>
>

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TT

It is Southern Texas. Vidor. It is a small city with a bad reputation.
>

Familiar with the town, spent 12 years in public service in Texas,  But 
things have most likely changed since then.
 

> For this situation with the virus you basically said nothing.


Nope, I was speaking in general about healhcare. (Sorry busy dealng with 
issues here)

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TT,

The young doctors are entusiastic and good, but they do not get to have the 
same practical experience. Not only because of few hospitals. Also due to 
more and more sick being treated without staying at hospital. Really 
getting thrown out to heal by themselves at home.
It is a learning experience to receive a patient, take part in the 
diagnostics and treatment and being able to follow the healing. The small 
hospitals and the older way of doing things did that very much possible 
(Could not be avoided).

It will be even harder to learn when the robots and AI take over. A lot of 
danish doctors are really over retirement age or close. Experience and 
teaching are leaving.

Politicians are even discussing to send newly graduated, without the basic 
postgraduate training out to compensate for the lack of family doctors. 
That will be a very harsh start and not fair to the young - or the patients.

The young do not like it as it is at least not after the first few years 
after graduation.

Birthe

torsdag den 26. marts 2020 kl. 01.22.00 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Birthe C wrote:
>>
>>
>> We would need to get rid of a lot of EU restrictions. Reduce a hell of a 
>> lot of bureaucrazy. The need for health professionals to use most part of 
>> their working hours to enter data for every possible thing. Much of it of 
>> no relevance to the actual treatment right now, but data registers are to 
>> be build. Everything collected and fun together. Often leaking in public. 
>> All that stuff are also hacked rather often.
>>
>
> Right. My doctor loathes the computer but has to do hours on it doing 
> admin. It is "out of proportion", as he says.
>
> No doctor can learn without bodily interaction being central.
>
> My doctor is about 60. He has lots of years of practice. But what would a 
> 25 year old do now? 
> I should ask them. They likely have a different view?
>
> TT
>
>
>  
>
>

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Birthe C wrote:
>
>
> We would need to get rid of a lot of EU restrictions. Reduce a hell of a 
> lot of bureaucrazy. The need for health professionals to use most part of 
> their working hours to enter data for every possible thing. Much of it of 
> no relevance to the actual treatment right now, but data registers are to 
> be build. Everything collected and fun together. Often leaking in public. 
> All that stuff are also hacked rather often.
>

Right. My doctor loathes the computer but has to do hours on it doing 
admin. It is "out of proportion", as he says.

No doctor can learn without bodily interaction being central.

My doctor is about 60. He has lots of years of practice. But what would a 
25 year old do now? 
I should ask them. They likely have a different view?

TT


 

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[tw5] Re: Tiddler translate by Google button

A Gloom
My browser is not set to English. ( How would I understand that). Totally 
Danish. Opening the translation window it is offering translation from 
English to Danish.


Birthe

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>
>
> your browser is set to English then, the en-us > is just text but the 
> second part is reading the browser's language setting
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TT,

We would need to get rid of a lot of EU restrictions. Reduce a hell of a 
lot of bureaucrazy. The need for health professionals to use most part of 
their working hours to enter data for every possible thing. Much of it of 
no relevance to the actual treatment right now, but data registers are to 
be build. Everything collected and fun together. Often leaking in public. 
All that stuff are also hacked rather often.

Educating enough doctors and nurses would also help. Not constantly let of 
personel to get yet more It or fancy campaigns. Taxpayers want something 
for their money. That something is diagnose and treatment.

I do know the plan is more and more digitalization and dreams of robot, AI 
and all that. To make it more personal is even argued. I am not against 
that, but really they can not substitute everything.

It will come to slowdown due to less and less people want to study long 
years, expensive years to work like they have been doing for years now. 
That is also why politicians wanted to increase the uptake of students only 
not enough students wanted it any more.

Birthe

torsdag den 26. marts 2020 kl. 00.53.18 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Ciao cara Bifthe
>
> How can we reverse it?
>
> You complain but say nothing about how to slow or reverse it.
>
> Are you witness only?
>
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Question about file folders in Bob

2020-03-25 Thread Xabriña

Thank you for the clarification, Jed, and for the wonderful program you 
have done. With Bob.exe I have managed to have all my wikis under control.

Regards

El miércoles, 25 de marzo de 2020, 16:03:50 (UTC+1), Jed Carty escribió:
>
> There isn't a way to do this with just Bob. The file server is a simple 
> static file server and doesn't have any knowledge of where the request 
> comes from.
> With the secure server set up you can limit access based on authentication 
> levels but at the moment that is all.
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

A Gloom wrote:
>
>
> TT: It is Southern Texas. Vidor. It is a small city with a bad reputation.
>>
>> The rest of your post doesn't really say anything much.
>> IS there universal healthcare? Or not?
>>
>
> Never claimed there was-- its a well known fact that America doesn't.
>
> What the rest of post said is America has public health if you fall below 
> the poverty level and mainly in the urban areas-- in our so called ghettos, 
> prople without health get their lives saved (like from gun wounds from 
> criminal activities without health insurance) rural areas often get 
> neglected. And there's a huge gap for medical insurance for the lower 
> middle class that don't quality for public assistance and don't make enough 
> to afford private health insurance-- they are the ones whole need universal 
> health not someone making $100,000 or more.
>

For this situation with the virus you basically said nothing.

TT

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Ciao cara Bifthe

How can we reverse it?

You complain but say nothing about how to slow or reverse it.

Are you witness only?

TT

On Thursday, 26 March 2020 00:46:40 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT,
>
> Sure that is the way we go.
>
> But large areas without doctors enough is not something we like. Really 
> and exclusion factor. You need to get a visitation to get anywhere else in 
> the system.
>
> Digitalisation is often mentioned to take up to 50% of the working hours 
> from doctors and nurses. The patients would like to have test, be diagnosed 
> and treated.
>
> If that is modern I gladly admit I am old and old fashioned, I like 
> something that works.
>
>
> Birthe
>
> torsdag den 26. marts 2020 kl. 00.37.44 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>>
>> As an academic interested in "modernity" I'd say that development is 
>> exactly normal.
>>
>> TT
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TT,

I guessed they where not. Buying up what is available on the market for 
sale does exclude other buyers wouldn't you think.

Who is a great provider and would they be able to deliver. That would be 
nice to know, when the tests done in all countries are ended. If they show 
positive results that is.

Birthe

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>
> The point is its nothing American. The USA is not a great provider of it.
>
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]



> It is Southern Texas. Vidor. It is a small city with a bad reputation.
>
> The rest of your post doesn't really say anything much.
> IS there universal healthcare? Or not?
>

Never claimed there was-- its a well known fact that America doesn't.

What the rest of post said is America has public health if you fall below 
the poverty level and mainly in the urban areas-- in our so called ghettos, 
prople without health get their lives saved (like from gun wounds from 
criminal activities without health insurance) rural areas often get 
neglected. And there's a huge gap for medical insurance for the lower 
middle class that don't quality for public assistance and don't make enough 
to afford private health insurance-- they are the ones whole need universal 
health not someone making $100,000 or more.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TT,

Sure that is the way we go.

But large areas without doctors enough is not something we like. Really and 
exclusion factor. You need to get a visitation to get anywhere else in the 
system.

Digitalisation is often mentioned to take up to 50% of the working hours 
from doctors and nurses. The patients would like to have test, be diagnosed 
and treated.

If that is modern I gladly admit I am old and old fashioned, I like 
something that works.


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>
> As an academic interested in "modernity" I'd say that development is 
> exactly normal.
>
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] ReadOnlyCore - real read-only mode for tiddlywiki

Jed,

Once again that sounds fantastic. A different approach to those that went 
before.

Thanks
Tony

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 10:15:26 AM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Another of the things that I hadn't gotten around to releasing, a plugin 
> that you add to a wiki and it lets you export a version of the wiki with 
> the core plugin replaced with one that makes the wiki read only.
> The exported wiki has all tiddler editing and importing functions removed. 
> The navigator widget has the parts that let you edit tiddlers removed, and 
> any buttons or interfaces for them taken out too.
>
> There is one way that someone could find a way to exploit, which is there 
> are places where you can edit tiddlers like the site title, where you could 
> put in wiki text and maybe use it to edit other tiddlers.
>
> I can remove the edit widgets but then the search and other things won't 
> work. If it is a problem I may make a second version that has the edit 
> widgets removed.
>
> The plugin is available on the demo wiki here: 
> https://ooktech-tw.gitlab.io/plugins/readonlycore/
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] ReadOnlyCore - real read-only mode for tiddlywiki

2020-03-25 Thread Joshua Fontany

Brilliant. :D Thanks for all the recent code!

-Joshua Fontany

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 4:15:26 PM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Another of the things that I hadn't gotten around to releasing, a plugin 
> that you add to a wiki and it lets you export a version of the wiki with 
> the core plugin replaced with one that makes the wiki read only.
> The exported wiki has all tiddler editing and importing functions removed. 
> The navigator widget has the parts that let you edit tiddlers removed, and 
> any buttons or interfaces for them taken out too.
>
> There is one way that someone could find a way to exploit, which is there 
> are places where you can edit tiddlers like the site title, where you could 
> put in wiki text and maybe use it to edit other tiddlers.
>
> I can remove the edit widgets but then the search and other things won't 
> work. If it is a problem I may make a second version that has the edit 
> widgets removed.
>
> The plugin is available on the demo wiki here: 
> https://ooktech-tw.gitlab.io/plugins/readonlycore/
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

The point is its nothing American. The USA is not a great provider of it.

TT

On Thursday, 26 March 2020 00:34:13 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT,
>
> I know. About 50 years ago it was used for Malaria.
> Now for a few other diagnoses. 
> Widely used in Africa for Malaria, yes, but really also for a lot of other 
> things. Kind of we are taking a pill for headache.
>
> Many countries did not have restrictions on the medical profession to use 
> it - laws changed rapidly a very short time ago.
>
> No matter how well known the medicin, you need to be able to buy it before 
> you can use it. It is not available to buy right now. Shortage due to 
> demand like everything else, masks, tests, respirators.
>
> Birthe
>
>
>
> torsdag den 26. marts 2020 kl. 00.26.45 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>>
>> Birthe C wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way USA bought all the Chloroquine on the market. 
>>>
>>
>> They did not.  Its a generic that had been around for decades. It was 
>> found in 1934.
>>
>> TT
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

As an academic interested in "modernity" I'd say that development is 
exactly normal.

TT


On Thursday, 26 March 2020 00:24:41 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> In Denmark we are paying high taxes and have universal healthcare.
> Our system changed a lot since around 2004. Before we had large hospitals 
> in Copenhagen, Aarhus and Odense. The three largest cities and connected to 
> the universities. A lot of smaller hospitals all over the country. Everyone 
> had a family doctor.
> Then that were changed. Now we were to have a few superhospitals with all 
> specialists. The local hospitals were closed. Not taking up enough medical 
> students and not having enough postgraduate training hospitals, well now 
> even in the biggest cities, not everyone can have their own "family doctor" 
> lack of around 30% without. Far worse outside the cities.
>
> Everything really worked better before the changes, more effective. And we 
> used to laugh thinking of USA. The truth being that not all danish taxes 
> was used on healthcare - really a rather small fraction with the old 
> system. In fact about half the money pr. head, that was calculated for USA 
> - and then they even had to pay more themselves and exclude at lot of 
> people. That was beyond our beliefs.
>
> All that has changed, the super this and that had the result of longer 
> distance for lots of people and less hospital beds in all.
>
> Digitalisation was costly and doctors and nurses now use a lot of time 
> doing what the secretary used to do.
>
> I have read that especially the Epic system are blamed for a lot of 
> hospitals in the USA claiming bankruptcy especially in 2018.
>
> USA are loosing hospital in a rapid rate.
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TT,

I know. About 50 years ago it was used for Malaria.
Now for a few other diagnoses. 
Widely used in Africa for Malaria, yes, but really also for a lot of other 
things. Kind of we are taking a pill for headache.

Many countries did not have restrictions on the medical profession to use 
it - laws changed rapidly a very short time ago.

No matter how well known the medicin, you need to be able to buy it before 
you can use it. It is not available to buy right now. Shortage due to 
demand like everything else, masks, tests, respirators.

Birthe

torsdag den 26. marts 2020 kl. 00.26.45 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Birthe C wrote:
>>
>>
>> By the way USA bought all the Chloroquine on the market. 
>>
>
> They did not.  Its a generic that had been around for decades. It was 
> found in 1934.
>
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]


>
> My hardware tool supply sent a message like that, reassuring me that 
> they're taking extra measures to clean their location. I guess they're 
> keeping their doors open. Are they essential? Why not, considering even the 
> marijuana dispensaries have been deemed "essential".


Beer distributors here are deemed essential-- may help the population 
handle the crisis better? (being stoned or drunk)

Concerning keeping stocks on hand... not just unporfitable but an added 
expense-- if the guv did it-- to store and keep replaced for perishable 
goods.  Even the guv has finite resources that have to be spread out over a 
whole bunch of programs.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Birthe C wrote:
>
>
> By the way USA bought all the Chloroquine on the market. 
>

They did not.  Its a generic that had been around for decades. It was found 
in 1934.

TT

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Two plugins, Mousey - a mouse widget like the keyboard widget, and Relations - track relationships between things

2020-03-25 Thread Joshua Fontany

Sweet! Those both look awesome... So much TiddlyWiki, so little time. :P

Best,
Joshua Fontany

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 1:58:46 PM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I made these a while ago after being asked for them and forgot to actually 
> post the results.
>
> The Mousey plugin lets you put actions on mouse events. Click, double 
> click, right click, mouse down, mouse up, enter and leave are supported. 
> See the examples for what all that means.
> https://ooktech-tw.gitlab.io/plugins/mousey/
>
> The Relations plugin lets you do things like set up family trees for more 
> interesting (or if you want, non-traditional) family trees, or roads 
> between towns or any number of things. It lets you set up a graph with 
> directed or undirected edges if you want it in graph theory terms. See the 
> example for what that means.
> No, it isn't graphical.
> https://ooktech-tw.gitlab.io/plugins/relations/
>
> I probably have a few more things that I haven't bothered to release yet, 
> I am looking through my stuff.
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

In Denmark we are paying high taxes and have universal healthcare.
Our system changed a lot since around 2004. Before we had large hospitals
in Copenhagen, Aarhus and Odense. The three largest cities and connected to
the universities. A lot of smaller hospitals all over the country. Everyone
had a family doctor.
Then that were changed. Now we were to have a few superhospitals with all
specialists. The local hospitals were closed. Not taking up enough medical
students and not having enough postgraduate training hospitals, well now
even in the biggest cities, not everyone can have their own "family doctor"
lack of around 30% without. Far worse outside the cities.

Everything really worked better before the changes, more effective. And we
used to laugh thinking of USA. The truth being that not all danish taxes
was used on healthcare - really a rather small fraction with the old
system. In fact about half the money pr. head, that was calculated for USA
- and then they even had to pay more themselves and exclude at lot of
people. That was beyond our beliefs.

All that has changed, the super this and that had the result of longer
distance for lots of people and less hospital beds in all.

Digitalisation was costly and doctors and nurses now use a lot of time
doing what the secretary used to do.

I have read that especially the Epic system are blamed for a lot of
hospitals in the USA claiming bankruptcy especially in 2018.

USA are loosing hospital in a rapid rate.

Birthe

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[tw5] [TW5] ReadOnlyCore - real read-only mode for tiddlywiki

2020-03-25 Thread Jed Carty

Another of the things that I hadn't gotten around to releasing, a plugin 
that you add to a wiki and it lets you export a version of the wiki with 
the core plugin replaced with one that makes the wiki read only.
The exported wiki has all tiddler editing and importing functions removed. 
The navigator widget has the parts that let you edit tiddlers removed, and 
any buttons or interfaces for them taken out too.

There is one way that someone could find a way to exploit, which is there 
are places where you can edit tiddlers like the site title, where you could 
put in wiki text and maybe use it to edit other tiddlers.

I can remove the edit widgets but then the search and other things won't 
work. If it is a problem I may make a second version that has the edit 
widgets removed.

The plugin is available on the demo wiki 
here: https://ooktech-tw.gitlab.io/plugins/readonlycore/

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

It is Southern Texas. Vidor. It is a small city with a bad reputation.

The rest of your post doesn't really say anything much.

IS there universal healthcare? Or not?

TT

On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:58:35 UTC+1, A Gloom wrote:
>
> TT
>
> The two  quotes from Texas ...
>>
>
> South Texas?  Much of that is rural and rural areas historically have been 
> neglected not just public assistance-- most social programs are based in 
> cities-- but health care in general.  Appalachia and the First Nations 
> reservations have much worst because of their isolation.
>
> And I assume lower middle class?  There's a povery level cut off for a lot 
> of puclic assistance that puts the lower middle class in a bind-- make 
> enough that the government determined your don't need assistance but in 
> reality you aren't making enough to cover things like medical and child 
> care.  Been there and have a permanently bowed bone in my hand cause I 
> didn't want the extra expense of the county hospital to set it for me after 
> I broke it.
>
> People on public assistance were getting better health care than me with a 
> job-- in some cases better housing.
>  
>
>> A person ill would have NO idea of Liberals wishes you may have. There is 
>> as yet no Federal commitment to universal care.
>>
>
> Liberal?  not here-- disavowed both-- there won't be a commitment-- people 
> weren't happy with the hidden tax of the ACA-- America probably couldn't 
> afford (can't handle what social programs it already has) nor the citizens 
> would want to pay the taxes required for universal health care.  Alot of 
> Americans can't afford the taxes already in place-- we don't get paid 
> enough for health care let alone financing it.
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

A Gloom,

Exactly, capacity is not enough, that is why I kept asking. If in doubt 
look at some of the stuff on this site 
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/supply-chain/better-than-a-bandana-or-scarf-expired-face-masks-from-stockpile-ok-cdc-says.html

Searching for everything from all over the world. Asking for masks from the 
depot and receiving a fraction, and old expired masks for a large part.

By the way USA bought all the Chloroquine on the market. They are expected 
to use it for a lot of people in New York, to test the effect. Does it 
work, making the sickness milder and shorter? Some kind of do it and 
register how it goes, compared to others not getting it. (Not double 
blinded test).

China used it and reported, France had some studies that looked promising 
in combination with other medicin, I think also Tony mentioned something 
from Australia about the same subject. Most contries are only testing, did 
not think the tests that were done were on large enough groups. Well the 
tests will not help many as chloroquine is not available on the market, at 
least not right now.

Birthe



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On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 3:52:23 PM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
> Hopefully if you paid $736  a month  you'd be okay?
>
>
>
If they don't have ventilators, or beds, then it doesn't matter what you 
pay.  

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TT

The two  quotes from Texas ...
>

South Texas?  Much of that is rural and rural areas historically have been 
neglected not just public assistance-- most social programs are based in 
cities-- but health care in general.  Appalachia and the First Nations 
reservations have much worst because of their isolation.

And I assume lower middle class?  There's a povery level cut off for a lot 
of puclic assistance that puts the lower middle class in a bind-- make 
enough that the government determined your don't need assistance but in 
reality you aren't making enough to cover things like medical and child 
care.  Been there and have a permanently bowed bone in my hand cause I 
didn't want the extra expense of the county hospital to set it for me after 
I broke it.

People on public assistance were getting better health care than me with a 
job-- in some cases better housing.
 

> A person ill would have NO idea of Liberals wishes you may have. There is 
> as yet no Federal commitment to universal care.
>

Liberal?  not here-- disavowed both-- there won't be a commitment-- people 
weren't happy with the hidden tax of the ACA-- America probably couldn't 
afford (can't handle what social programs it already has) nor the citizens 
would want to pay the taxes required for universal health care.  Alot of 
Americans can't afford the taxes already in place-- we don't get paid 
enough for health care let alone financing it.

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Texas is one of the states that is actively fighting ACA (Obamacare) in the 
courts.

Texas is a "red" state, which means that a lot of those people living check 
to check effectively voted against universal health coverage. This goes 
back to marketing and "death panels" -- the concept that mindless 
bureaucrats will decide your fate under universal care. Of course, 
privatized systems could, and have, make decisions that are just as 
draconian, but somehow people don't think of that.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TT

I understood that the public information said "*not to call emergency 
before hardly breathing and lips turning blue* ?" it is that I call stupid, 
and I stand by it for the same reason you ask "HOW would you know what 
critical means". I believe we are in furious agreement. 

People need contact from multiple people regularly, and the need to be 
forearmed with questions to interrogate possible sufferers to get around 
misinformation/understanding and politeness. Of course insufficient 
attention may be a sad reality in an overstretched hospital system, but 
then para-medical volunteers may even be able to help with palliative care.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 7:30:37 AM UTC+11, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>>
>> Birthe,
>>
>> In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call 
>>> emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people 
>>> ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?
>>>
>>
>> Is this really happening *not to call emergency before hardly breathing 
>> and lips turning blue* ? This would be stupid, although one could 
>> imagine if the health system is overwhelmed. The percentage of people once 
>> infected that, have poor outcomes is low, so for many it will not be a 
>> problem, they just need to be quarantined. 
>>
>
> The point was HOW would you know what critical means? "Stupid" is not 
> helpful. A person alone needs criterion on their own symptoms. Public 
> announcements in Italy on self-care remain vague. Many people are 
> deferential by nature. I wonder if some are dying from politeness.
>
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Capacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.
>>
>
> No. JIT (Just In Time) inventory systems have  been a staple of all 
> industries, including the medical/industrial complex for a long time.
>

Hopefully if you paid $736  a month  you'd be okay?

TT

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My hardware tool supply sent a message like that, reassuring me that 
they're taking extra measures to clean their location. I guess they're 
keeping their doors open. Are they essential? Why not, considering even the 
marijuana dispensaries have been deemed "essential".

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 11:07:35 AM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
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> Getting messages from corporations telling me how much they care makes me 
> want to vomit.
>

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On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 9:11:51 AM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Capacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.
>
>
>
No. JIT (Just In Time) inventory systems have  been a staple of all 
industries, including the medical/industrial complex for a long time. 
There's maybe (depending on sources) 200,000 ventilators in the U.S. 
Keeping a lot of stuff around "just in case" is unprofitable, especially if 
it has a running time stamp. 

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Gloom,

The two  quotes from Texas ...

*"people round here live from paycheck to paycheck"*


*"Most people I know won't get tested because they can't afford treatment."*
 


Seems likely.

Since USA has NO universal healthcare commitment.

A person ill would have NO idea of Liberals wishes you may have. 
There is as yet no Federal commitment to universal care.

TT



On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:29:49 UTC+1, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> A Gloom wrote:
>>
>> @TT
>>
>> Capacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.
>>>
>>
>> Just like Italy, America-- nor any other country I believe (I'm 
>> interested to see if Germany's bed capafcity is enough) 
>>
>
> German intensive care provision is better than Italy.
>  
>
>> Despite what everyone thinks, America does have medical care for 
>> non-insured ...
>>
>
> It is simply not credible. There is no way that you can have universal 
> healthcare for all AND have expensive private systems at the scale USA has 
> that foster saving those most that pay most.
>
> Sure you could say "we helped". It is NOT a level field and pretence it is 
> is silly.
>
> My quotes from Texas express it quite well.
>
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

So reply to a few.

TT

On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:11:40 UTC+1, A Gloom wrote:
>
> @TT
>
> I notice you ignored my comments.
>
> Which?  There's so many! : P
>

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A Gloom wrote:
>
> @TT
>
> Capacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.
>>
>
> Just like Italy, America-- nor any other country I believe (I'm interested 
> to see if Germany's bed capafcity is enough) 
>

German intensive care provision is better than Italy.

> Despite what everyone thinks, America does have medical care for 
> non-insured ...
>

It is simply not credible. There is no way that you can have universal 
healthcare for all AND have expensive private systems at the scale USA has 
that foster saving those most that pay most.

Sure you could say "we helped". It is NOT a level field and pretence it is 
is silly.

My quotes from Texas express it quite well.

TT

TT

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@TT

I notice you ignored my comments.

Which?  There's so many! : P

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@TT

Capacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.
>

Just like Italy, America-- nor any other country I believe (I'm interested
to see if Germany's bed capafcity is enough) is prepared for massive
casualities (in this case sick), Been known since the Cold War (& civil
defense) and movies have touched on it. When the article about Italy's
health care system straining-- the doctors mentioned wartime casaulity
rates (I rememcer that term from civil defense)

Despite what everyone thinks, America does have medical care for
non-insured, disadvantaged (publically funded county hospitals that already
overwhelmed)-- i've used it before-- its limited by funding and you get
billed if not on a social program/financial assitance. It will be
overwhelmed just like private care-- NYC already called for assistance from
the Federal Government because they already know they don't have the
capacity.

The military is mobilizing 2 hospital ships and 1 full field hospital which
raises another issue-- lack of health care staff, military reserves draw
from the civilian population and those who are health care may already be
engaged in the civilian health care system.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

 A Gloom wrote:
>
> Balcony singing is also taken up in Denmark?
>
>
> Brilliant idea. 
>
 
I can't sing decently. The idea of LOCAL solidarity is good though.  What 
other ways do you suggest?

TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

2020-03-25 Thread Vayira

Hi Tony I just looked for TW-Reciever and found it on github. It doesn't
say there if it will work with TW classic. Do you know?


On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 20:25, TonyM  wrote:

> Alex,
>
> That's good, I just know that has being the mistake of many.
>
> Please consider starting a new thread on this problem because it is
> clearly and exception to the old TiddlyFox problems.
>
> You may find it useful if you have not already to start with a fresh
> tiddlywiki and see if you can experience the almost seamless use of Timimi,
> or move to one of a number of node solutions, or TW-Reciever on php. Once
> you have experienced the "Modern" you will have a better understanding and
> it will be easier to address a specific wiki failing to save.
>
> Portableapps.com has a portable firefox if the problem could be in your
> install of firefox.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 10:04:56 AM UTC+11, Alex S. Garcia wrote:
>>
>> > "save changes" links under Admin Tools must be within TiddlyWiki not
>> > Browser menus!
>>
>> Browser menus? I have no idea what you're talking about.
>>
>> Admin Tools is in the right-side menu within TiddlyWiki.
>>
>>
>>
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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TonyM wrote:
>
> In Tracking mobile phones; If you are Quarantined with the virus and a 
> temporary law says you must be quarantined and you are wandering around the 
> streets putting others at risk it would make sense to detect your 
> activities. But of course the problem is the misuse of the technology now 
> or in the future. With any surveillance issue it often comes down to the 
> execution and supportive laws, unfortunately future governments can change 
> the laws
>

To say again. South Korea used phones & other surveillance tech to assist 
very effectively. Everyone was tracked. That is why it worked.

It is an important issue. Pretty central I think. 

Though SK had the infrastructure already, so we should not beat up on 
ourselves yet.

SK is a democracy that accepted it based on their previous nightmares with 
viruses.

TT

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I notice you ignored my comments.

On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:42:15 UTC+1, A Gloom wrote:
>
> Balcony singing is also taken up in Denmark?
>
>
> Brilliant idea.  But it would get the cops called on me ><  Don't know if 
> they don't appreciate my singing voice or me singing Viking metal songs of 
> battle and glory-- probably both : D
>
> Americans have their noses glued to their mobilte device or TV?  Though 
> the karaoke fans may with the  karaoke bars closed.
>
>
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>
> Balcony singing is also taken up in Denmark?


Brilliant idea.  But it would get the cops called on me ><  Don't know if 
they don't appreciate my singing voice or me singing Viking metal songs of 
battle and glory-- probably both : D

Americans have their noses glued to their mobilte device or TV?  Though the 
karaoke fans may with the  karaoke bars closed.


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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TonyM wrote:
>
>
> Birthe,
>
> In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call 
>> emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people 
>> ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?
>>
>
> Is this really happening *not to call emergency before hardly breathing 
> and lips turning blue* ? This would be stupid, although one could imagine 
> if the health system is overwhelmed. The percentage of people once infected 
> that, have poor outcomes is low, so for many it will not be a problem, they 
> just need to be quarantined. 
>

The point was HOW would you know what critical means? "Stupid" is not 
helpful. A person alone needs criterion on their own symptoms. Public 
announcements in Italy on self-care remain vague. Many people are 
deferential by nature. I wonder if some are dying from politeness.

TT

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

All, 

Interesting conversation.

Birthe,

In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call 
> emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people 
> ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?
>

Is this really happening *not to call emergency before hardly breathing and 
lips turning blue* ? This would be stupid, although one could imagine if 
the health system is overwhelmed. The percentage of people once infected 
that, have poor outcomes is low, so for many it will not be a problem, they 
just need to be quarantined. 

In Tracking mobile phones; If you are Quarantined with the virus and a 
temporary law says you must be quarantined and you are wandering around the 
streets putting others at risk it would make sense to detect your 
activities. But of course the problem is the misuse of the technology now 
or in the future. With any surveillance issue it often comes down to the 
execution and supportive laws, unfortunately future governments can change 
the laws.

All,
Use the words you want, Physical/Social Distancing. My point and that of 
the article is isolations and Quarantine is essential to reduce the peak in 
infection/hospitalisation, implementing isolations and Quarantine requires 
physical distancing, but as a community we must ensure social, emotional 
support for all in our society. 

Contact your elders and friends to say "Are you OK", if you are free to, 
deliver food outside someone's door, I just talked an elder through fixing 
the sound on her computer so she can receive electronic birthday wishes. 
Set up an open video connection with your children living elsewhere, or 
your grandchildren for a few hours, Call your parents daily, email people 
some entertainment, act as an advocate for someone disadvantaged and do 
some online shopping for someone without internet.

Also, 
This would be a good time to introduce a "Universal Basic Income"e"
 
Look after yourself and people near you, dear friends
Tony
 

>
> Birthe
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[tw5] Re: Tiddler translate by Google button


Birthe

The button show: TRANSLATE en-US>en-US
> But opening the window the translation offered is en-US to danish.


your browser is set to English then, the en-us > is just text but the 
second part is reading the browser's language setting

cat attempting wiki coding again ><

[image: Clipboard01.jpg]

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[tw5] Internal Javascript Error - Tiddlywiki pre-release Release 5.1.22

2020-03-25 Thread blarg H

Hi all

I keep getting an internal javscript error when I try to edit a specific 
tiddler.


The error points to this tiddler *"self.widget.cancelPopup" *

How do I solve this issue?


Thanks

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Re: [tw5] Re: wikitext table formatting


>
> I prefer wikitext when I can because it's less scrolling in the editor, less 
> bytes over the wire, & easier on the eyes (I'm spoiled by Razor, yes I'm 
> a .NET dev)
>


Perfectly understtod, html tables can get long in the editor especially if 
you have the preview pane opened.

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[tw5] Android tid file association?

2020-03-25 Thread Dave

Nevermind, found the app Total Commander which allows you to edit any file with 
any app.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TT,

Go for it, in the right direction, that would tell them!

onsdag den 25. marts 2020 kl. 19.07.35 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Getting messages from corporations telling me how much they care makes me 
> want to vomit.
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[tw5] Android tid file association?

2020-03-25 Thread Dave

Does anyone have a trick to get an Android phone to open a tid file with a 
specific text editor?

Thanks, 
-Dave

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Getting messages from corporations telling me how much they care makes me 
want to vomit.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Capacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.

I am more interested in everyone else who didn't.

TT

On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:51:04 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT,
>
> I am not really worrying about how much money the health care businesses 
> in the USA have or have not.
>
> Do they have enough Intensive care beds ready to take care of people.
> Surely part of the population has good insurance and would expect to be 
> treated.
>
> In my country a lot of the calculated resources are really adding the 
> stuff from dentists, the vets, the private hospitals and specialists.
> In a country wanting business as usual, those businesses would expect to 
> continue life as normal and use their own equipmentOr is it only 
> business as usual for some businesses?
>
> Birthe
>
> onsdag den 25. marts 2020 kl. 16.39.31 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>>
>> In terms of money the health care businesses in the USA should do fine.
>>
>> It everything OUTSIDE their policies that is the issue.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TT,

I am not really worrying about how much money the health care businesses in 
the USA have or have not.

Do they have enough Intensive care beds ready to take care of people.
Surely part of the population has good insurance and would expect to be 
treated.

In my country a lot of the calculated resources are really adding the stuff 
from dentists, the vets, the private hospitals and specialists.
In a country wanting business as usual, those businesses would expect to 
continue life as normal and use their own equipmentOr is it only 
business as usual for some businesses?

Birthe

onsdag den 25. marts 2020 kl. 16.39.31 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>
> In terms of money the health care businesses in the USA should do fine.
>
> It everything OUTSIDE their policies that is the issue.
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

In terms of money the health care businesses in the USA should do fine.

It everything OUTSIDE their policies that is the issue.

TT

On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:28:00 UTC+1, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> The worker in US who is on temporary contract have no heath rights at all 
> usually.
>
> There is NO such thing as *simple *insurance in USA. There is NO 
> universal bottom line. Each contract has different benefits.
>
> TT
>
> On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:27:55 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> TT,
>>
>> Do they have the capacity in healthcare for people with insurance?
>> Rather important for people wanting business as usual to know, I would 
>> think.
>>
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

One assumption you make there is that the employer determines healthcare.

That is often not the case.

It is so complicated I would not know where to start explain it.

TT


Birthe C wrote:
>
> Do they have the capacity in healthcare for people with insurance?
> Rather important for people wanting business as usual to know, I would 
> think.
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

The worker in US who is on temporary contract have no heath rights at all 
usually.

There is NO such thing as *simple *insurance in USA. There is NO universal 
bottom line. Each contract has different benefits.

TT

On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:27:55 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT,
>
> Do they have the capacity in healthcare for people with insurance?
> Rather important for people wanting business as usual to know, I would 
> think.
>
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: Question about file folders in Bob

2020-03-25 Thread Jed Carty

There isn't a way to do this with just Bob. The file server is a simple 
static file server and doesn't have any knowledge of where the request 
comes from.
With the secure server set up you can limit access based on authentication 
levels but at the moment that is all.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TT,

Do they have the capacity in healthcare for people with insurance?
Rather important for people wanting business as usual to know, I would 
think.


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

A follow on Southern Texas message ...

*"Most people I know won't get tested because they can't afford treatment."*


Background is that testing is free Federally. Treatment is vague & left to 
States.

TT

On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 14:48:32 UTC+1, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I got a great simple message from Southern Texas ...
>
> *"people round here live from paycheck to paycheck"*
>
>
> I have grudging understanding on Trump wanting US to get back to work if 
> possible.
>
> Given USA healthcare is so crap on anyone with limited income or none.
>
> USA is very interesting to watch.
>
> Its not in a Good place to handle an epidemic IMO.
>
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

I got a great simple message from Southern Texas ...

*"people round here live from paycheck to paycheck"*


I have grudging understanding on Trump wanting US to get back to work if 
possible.

Given USA healthcare is so crap on anyone with limited income or none.

USA is very interesting to watch.

Its not in a Good place to handle an epidemic IMO.

TT

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[tw5] Question about file folders in Bob

2020-03-25 Thread Xabriña


Hi everyone.

I am using Bob.exe v.1.3.3b, which has helped me a lot to keep under 
control all the wikis I am working on and not lose anything. And the truth 
is that I am very happy with its operation.
But there is one thing that I don't know if I am doing well or that it 
cannot be done. I have several wikis, each with its corresponding files 
folder.
>From what I had read in Bob's documentation, the files folders within each 
wiki are accessible to that wiki, but in my case they are accessible from 
the other wikis by entering their address.

*Example:*

1-I have a wiki called Dos, inside it I have a folder called files. In this 
folder I have the images, documents and music that I use in the Dos wiki. 
To access these documents I use the following path: /Dos/files/xx.txt
2- I have another wiki called Three. Which also has its corresponding files 
folder.
3- From wiki Three I can access documents saved in the files folder of wiki 
Dos and vice versa.

Is there a way to make each wiki's files accessible only from themselves? 
And if possible, how?

Thank you.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Birthe C wrote:
>
> Exactly. But people who die at home will not be tested. They do not get 
> registered as Corona death, so much for statistics.
>
>
Unless coroners are instructed to test the dead we won't know.

For instance a coroner focuses usually on immediate cause of death like 
"heart failure" or "respiratory inadequacy" etc. 
They don't go further without cause.

I will ask in Italy if coroners are testing or not.

TT 

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TT,

Exactly. But people who die at home will not be tested. They do not get 
registered as Corona death, so much for statistics.

Birthe

onsdag den 25. marts 2020 kl. 13.07.26 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>
>
>
> Self-isolation is in danger of becoming "uninformed death".
>
> Instructions I seen in Italy on self-isolation are all too vague.
>
> TT 
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Birthe C wrote:
>
> In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call 
> emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people 
> ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?
>

I'm sure some people will die that way. HOW would you know its become 
critical? 

Self-isolation is in danger of becoming "uninformed death".

Instructions I seen in Italy on self-isolation are all too vague.

TT 

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Birthe C wrote:
>
>
> In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call 
> emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people 
> ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?
>

Decide on a code to hang outside your window indicating you are ill. Say a 
towel? A thought.

The point is to "flag" collective (local) awareness in some way. We live in 
societies mediated by people we don't know well for many services (like 
health).
Missing is RE-connecting in some way with people we do. Hopefully 
neighbours care. *An inter-neighbour signalling system*. Put your phone 
number on a sign outside the window? Speak to Jones across the road.

See what I getting at?

Thoughts
TT

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]


>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>>
>> Italians and French people singing from balconies is coming together 
>> socially not physically
>>
>
*Actually that IS physical AND social.*

But, maybe you could organise a "sing-a-long" online:-)

Best wishes
TT

>

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[tw5] Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] file-backups plugin will be updated at: March 20th - Browser restart required!

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:07:53 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
...

> I wasn't talking about the original source file. I was talking about the 
> files in twbackups. I want them to save somewhere else. I don't want them 
> to save in the original files' directory or sub-directory because that will 
> cause more maintenance headaches.
>

OK I see.

> For instance, tiddlydesktop has a backup, and I just set it to send the 
> backups to a directory on a drive that has lots of free space. I don't have 
> to worry about remembering to delete the backup set before doing a physical 
> backup.
>

Yea, TD creates an unlimited number of files. file-backups creates the 
number of files you allow it, to create (PLUS 1 for the "out of order" 
save). So the size should be deterministic.

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I was thinking about the possibility to create something like a "Snapshot 
Save". Which will do a similar thing as the "out of order" backup, but with 
the possibility to configure a "snapshot-name". ... like: myWiki-(Version 
1) ... where "Version 1" is the snapshot name and can be anything. 

Following our discussion, I think there should be a different directory 
setting for the snapshots. Defaulting to twSnapshots

-mario

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[tw5] Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] file-backups plugin will be updated at: March 20th - Browser restart required!

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:07:53 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
 

> No, I'm not talking about the red dialogue. I'm talking about the download 
> path directory. It gets outlined with red when you try to put an absolute 
> directory in. But I see now that I can use ../.. to select some other 
> directory, so I think it's going to work.
>

Ahh OK. your "download path directory" is my "Backups Directory" as 
labeled  in the config dropdown. ... My "download directory" is the one, 
where to save the open wiki, if you hit the TW save-wiki button. 

-m

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TonyM wrote:
>
> I think the thing is social distancing is what separation causes and 
> physical distancing is what is needed.
>
> Italians and French people singing from balconies is coming together 
> socially not physically as is a phone or Skype call. 
>

Balcony singing, sure. Anything else? Any other physical activity? Shouting 
across roads to neighbours? Waving?

The rest is ALREADY what hundreds of millions us do and have for years! 
"Virtual closeness" exists. 
Nothing new in that.
That is just an existing general trend. People are doing it. Unless they 
can't.

Post also still works here.

It does not obviate fact human beings experience social relations most via 
proximity.

TT

>

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[tw5] Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] file-backups plugin will be updated at: March 20th - Browser restart required!

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 4:27:22 AM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> If I set the download directory to C:\, then I can set the backup 
> directory to /users/mark/temp/twbackups ... the file is saved and the 
> backup works!
>
> But if I set the download directory to D:\, and I set the backup directory 
> to /temp/twbackups ... the file is saved, but the backup appears in a 
> sub-directory of the target file, ignoring the specified backup path. This 
> may be related to D: being a network drive, EXCEPT for the next weird thing.
>

That's an interesting setup, I didn't think of and therefore didn't test 
it. ... So I will have to have a closer look, what's going on.  

If I set the download directory to D:\, and I set the backup directory to 
> ../../temp/twbackups ... the file is saved, AND the backup appears in the 
> designated directory. 
>

Can you hit the F12 key and open the dev-console and view the Console tab. 
There's probably the error message form the last post. 

 

> So, if it was a permissions thing, I wouldn't expect that to work at all. 
> The problem is, giving a path like ../../twbackups will save to the wrong 
> place as soon as I go down one more directory level.
>

Yea, that's expected, since the ../../xx goes up 2 levels. But there may be 
only 1 level left. So may be an error state. 
 

> My thought was that it would be possible to have one window set up to save 
> using the C: directory, and another windows (FF profile) set up to work 
> with the D: directory. But the backup for the D: directory is uncooperative.
>

I'll have to test this. ... Is D:\ a windows network directory, or is it a 
"samba mount" to a unix-like system.
 

> Thanks!
>

Thx for the feedback! ... I think we have gone past our "communication and 
naming problems" ;)

-mario

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[tw5] Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] file-backups plugin will be updated at: March 20th - Browser restart required!

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:07:53 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
...

> On another issue, what path can you give fb to tell it to save in an 
> absolute location?
>

OK I see. Absolute position is forbidden by the browser web-extension API. 

>
>> That's not possible (because of browser security concerns) and it's not 
>> needed.
>>
>
> Ok, I just realized that I can use ../.. to back out of the current 
> directory. So that works. I don't need to send the backups to a different 
> physical drive. Just one single point where they're not part of the weekly 
> backup plan.
>

Important for those who don't use a root directory as the browser download 
dir. 

As long as you stay inside the "browser downloads" directory "araa" a 
../twBackups as the "Backup directory" will work. 

BUT as soon as you "leave" the "area" you will see this message in the 
browser dev Console (F12): save-wiki error: Error: "filename must not 
contain back-references" 

I didn't think about this setting, that's why there is no user facing 
message atm. *So if the setting is wrong there is no warning _and_ NO 
BACKUPS*

I will create a bug-report at github for this.

-mario

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TonyM wrote:
>
> I think the thing is social distancing is what separation causes and 
> physical distancing is what is needed.
>
> Italians and French people singing from balconies is coming together 
> socially not physically as is a phone or Skype call. It is these social 
> closeness activities that will help us deal with this crisis even if it 
> occurs at a physical distance. We need to all come together apart.
>

Sure amelioration is good! Isn't it happening anyway by those who can? 
Everyone I know closely here (white, middle-class, middle-aged) are 
beavering away on social media. People can who sing have been sometimes.

But its amelioration, not a substitute for the missing direct connection.

And I think its easy to forget how many most vulnerable don't have the 
internet or smartphone or know how to use it.

TT

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Tony,

Balcony singing is also taken up in Denmark?

It does seem nice. I just wonder?
In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call 
emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people 
ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

eek! apologies to both of you.

On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 11:42:44 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT,
>
> I could have written that, but I didn't. 
>
> Birthe
>
> onsdag den 25. marts 2020 kl. 10.57.35 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>>
>> Birthe wrote in reply to Gloom:
>>
>> I believe people are thinking medicine/healthcare system will "fix" them 
>>> if they get it-- I may be wrong but all they can do for you is supportive 
>>> care-- there's no "fix" for Covid19 yet? 
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Birthe C wrote:
>
> Yesterday we were told that we should really be tracked via mobile data.
>
>
> That thought are not well received in the population. 
>

Right. It is an excellent example of tension between "collective right to 
know about you" and "individual right to control you own life".

As far as I understand it South Korea used smart phone tracking very 
effectively, alongside other surveillance, including CCTV.

However that is in a context of sharing back data. They used social media 
to alert you of local "hotspot" areas to avoid using GPS.

They developed an infrastructure for it since the previous epidemics in the 
region. I doubt other countries would have that degree of integration 
quickly.

> I wonder will I be listed as a criminal for not owning a mobile?
>

Doubt it. Its just I would say that once government gets right to do that 
kind of "consolidated tracking" it may be very difficult to reverse.

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: External images on Google Drive

2020-03-25 Thread Mohammad

SRF88,
 For more professional way you may have look at the below post.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/sX3kgN27QBQ/_9jt7uhgBAAJ

Siniy-Kit has some amazing wiki integrating Google Drive  + Google Images.

--Mohammad

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 2:03:42 PM UTC+4:30, SRF88 wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Mohammad - The instructions you provided work perfectly. I will be using 
> plenty of images so I will be using the table template provided. 
>
> Thank you both for all of your help - much appreciated!
>
> Sam
>
> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 7:59:54 PM UTC, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> What I wrote is to directly display an image from Google Drive!
>> There is no need to use the plugin for the example I gave in the above 
>> post.
>>
>> SRF88 can try that to see if the link to GDrive is correctly given or not!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 11:16:35 PM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> What? That's all it does? Create _canonical_uri ? I thought it might add 
>>> some additional info goo gel wanted.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 11:43:12 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:

 SRF88,

1. create a new tiddler
2. add a field called: _canonical_uri
3. copy and paste the sharelable link of your image on Google Drive 
as field value
4. save and see what happen

 The plugin seems to create such a tiddler. See this instruction if you 
 failed: 
 https://support.awesome-table.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002196665-Display-images-from-Google-Drive

 --Mohammad


 On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:33:23 PM UTC+4:30, SRF88 wrote:
>
> I'm on Mac.
>
> Everything happened as per the download instructions. Though when I 
> tried it again I realised that the file had been given a .txt extension. 
> I 
> deleted the additional extension and when I dragged and dropped I was 
> prompted to save and refresh, which I did. The plugin is now in the 
> plugin 
> tab - perfect.
>
> I created an image using a 'shareable link' but I just get a '?' icon 
> instead of my image. I will see if I can work this out.
>
> Thank you for all of your help!
>
> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 5:06:07 PM UTC, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Did the tid download, per the instructions, do you see it in your 
>> downloads directory?
>>
>> Did you drag the file again, and drop it when the green bar appeared? 
>> Did you see the green bar?
>>
>> After your dragged and dropped, did a tiddler appear called $:/Import?
>>
>> In that tiddler, did you click on "Import" ?
>>
>> I forgot to ask -- are you on Windows? 
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 9:52:47 AM UTC-7, SRF88 wrote:
>>>
>>> No it is not.
>>>
>>> I know I've done something wrong here - sorry.
>>>
>>> Your help is much appreciated.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 4:39:15 PM UTC, Mark S. wrote:

 When you go into settings, plugins, is the new plugin listed?
  (Creates External image tiddler from google drive file link)

 On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-7, SRF88 wrote:
>
> Thank you for your quick response Mark
>
> I followed your instructions using an empty TW. A new icon did not 
> appear in the tools tab?
>
> I will make sure to use shared images on GD.
>
> Thank you.
>
> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 3:16:08 PM UTC, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I think that plugin just helps you wrap shared images 
>> appropriately.
>>
>> To download from GH, click on the "tiddlers" folder. Then click 
>> on the $__plugins_zimiarh_extimg.tid link. Right click on the 
>> "Raw" button and then select "save link as" to download the tiddler.
>>
>> Find the downloaded tiddler and drag and drop into your TW file 
>> (a green bar should appear as you drag, that tells you it's ok to 
>> drop).
>>
>> Import the tiddler. Save your TW file. Reload. A new icon appears 
>> over in the sidebar, that will help you create links to SHARED 
>> images on 
>> gdrive.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 7:48:07 AM UTC-7, SRF88 wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> First of all, apologies for the simple question but I am quite 
>>> far out of my comfort zone here.
>>>
>>> I have been using TiddlyDesktop for a while, I use a lot of 
>>> photos to illustrate my note taking so I use inks to external 
>>> photos. To 
>>> make the TiddlyWiki more accessible I have experimented with moving 
>>> it to 
>>> Google Drive, this has been successful using Tiddly Drive BUT i 
>>> cannot 
>>> figure

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

I think the thing is social distancing is what separation causes and physical 
distancing is what is needed.

Italians and French people singing from balconies is coming together socially 
not physically as is a phone or Skype call. It is these social closeness 
activities that will help us deal with this crisis even if it occurs at a 
physical distance. We need to all come together apart.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TT,

I could have written that, but I didn't. 

Birthe

onsdag den 25. marts 2020 kl. 10.57.35 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Birthe wrote in reply to Gloom:
>
> I believe people are thinking medicine/healthcare system will "fix" them 
>> if they get it-- I may be wrong but all they can do for you is supportive 
>> care-- there's no "fix" for Covid19 yet? 
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: wikitext table formatting

2020-03-25 Thread John Meyer

Thanks... in my case the table is a year at a glance style calendar, with a
row per week, and ebery week the top row becomes the bottom row, this
changing the numbers, so I'll stick with a raw html table for highlighting
holidays & special occasions

I prefer wikitext when I can because it's less scrolling in the editor, less
bytes over the wire, & easier on the eyes (I'm spoiled by Razor, yes I'm a
.NET dev)

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 10:54 PMario  wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 1:36:10 AM UTC+1, John Meyer wrote:
>>
>> is it possible, using wikitext, to set background-color on individual
>> cells (which could be empty of text)?  or do I have to fall back to html
>> for that?
>>
>
> Hi,
> I did a fast experiment, following an idea. Drag and Drop import the
> attachment into tiddlywiki.com or your wiki and you can play with it.
>
> The macro call looks like this:
>
> <>
>
>
> It looks like this:
>
>
>
> The only thing your table needs is a leading
>
> |myClass |k ... line ... myClass can be different for every table
>
> I think I can tweak it a little bit and create a proper plugin! Or may be a 
> PR for the core.
>
> With a JS-macro we could probably make it even more powerfull.
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

TonyM wrote:
>
> Interesting argument that the term should be physical distancing,
>
> Not social distancing. Detailed in attached PDF
>

Interesting short article that is likely wrong.

*Social distancing is mediated through physical distancing. *Its not a 
concept, it is a reality.

Sure, there may be some cultural variations on the psycho-social effects of 
distancing. 
Italy is a pretty "touchy-feely" society and physical distancing is 
obviously having profound negative consequences.

BTW, if you look back at Ebola one of biggest issues controlling it was 
that the African cultures involved comfort the dying. 
Being with the dying is (was) considered essential.
This is why anthropologists were used by WHO to try help work out a 
culturally acceptable way to distance.

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Birthe wrote in reply to Gloom:

I believe people are thinking medicine/healthcare system will "fix" them if
> they get it-- I may be wrong but all they can do for you is supportive
> care-- there's no "fix" for Covid19 yet?
>

There are considerable variations by country caused by the co-factor of
social behaviours.
"Younger" cultures have different variants than "Older" countries as social
behaviors differ.
Because in West testing has been limited the infection matrix is only just
emerging and still v. unclear.

To be brutal, the stats, are confusing & inadequate.
They conflate social behaviours and outcome measures. Yes, some younger
people need intensive care. BUT is that the same issue as overall
predictive norms on critical infection of the whole population?
The problem with "Guesstimates" is that its like corralling the horse after
its bolted. And the it bolts again. So the "guesstimate" gets accurate*
eventually* post hoc, but now as its largely ad hoc.

Being clear on emidemiological stats matters to planning effectively.

If I can figure it out I'll post a note on the stats bits that are clear
enough.

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: External images on Google Drive

2020-03-25 Thread SRF88

Hello,

Mohammad - The instructions you provided work perfectly. I will be using 
plenty of images so I will be using the table template provided. 

Thank you both for all of your help - much appreciated!

Sam

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 7:59:54 PM UTC, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> What I wrote is to directly display an image from Google Drive!
> There is no need to use the plugin for the example I gave in the above 
> post.
>
> SRF88 can try that to see if the link to GDrive is correctly given or not!
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 11:16:35 PM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> What? That's all it does? Create _canonical_uri ? I thought it might add 
>> some additional info goo gel wanted.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 11:43:12 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> SRF88,
>>>
>>>1. create a new tiddler
>>>2. add a field called: _canonical_uri
>>>3. copy and paste the sharelable link of your image on Google Drive 
>>>as field value
>>>4. save and see what happen
>>>
>>> The plugin seems to create such a tiddler. See this instruction if you 
>>> failed: 
>>> https://support.awesome-table.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002196665-Display-images-from-Google-Drive
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:33:23 PM UTC+4:30, SRF88 wrote:

 I'm on Mac.

 Everything happened as per the download instructions. Though when I 
 tried it again I realised that the file had been given a .txt extension. I 
 deleted the additional extension and when I dragged and dropped I was 
 prompted to save and refresh, which I did. The plugin is now in the plugin 
 tab - perfect.

 I created an image using a 'shareable link' but I just get a '?' icon 
 instead of my image. I will see if I can work this out.

 Thank you for all of your help!

 On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 5:06:07 PM UTC, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Did the tid download, per the instructions, do you see it in your 
> downloads directory?
>
> Did you drag the file again, and drop it when the green bar appeared? 
> Did you see the green bar?
>
> After your dragged and dropped, did a tiddler appear called $:/Import?
>
> In that tiddler, did you click on "Import" ?
>
> I forgot to ask -- are you on Windows? 
>
> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 9:52:47 AM UTC-7, SRF88 wrote:
>>
>> No it is not.
>>
>> I know I've done something wrong here - sorry.
>>
>> Your help is much appreciated.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 4:39:15 PM UTC, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> When you go into settings, plugins, is the new plugin listed?
>>>  (Creates External image tiddler from google drive file link)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-7, SRF88 wrote:

 Thank you for your quick response Mark

 I followed your instructions using an empty TW. A new icon did not 
 appear in the tools tab?

 I will make sure to use shared images on GD.

 Thank you.

 On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 3:16:08 PM UTC, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I think that plugin just helps you wrap shared images 
> appropriately.
>
> To download from GH, click on the "tiddlers" folder. Then click on 
> the $__plugins_zimiarh_extimg.tid link. Right click on the "Raw" 
> button and then select "save link as" to download the tiddler.
>
> Find the downloaded tiddler and drag and drop into your TW file (a 
> green bar should appear as you drag, that tells you it's ok to drop).
>
> Import the tiddler. Save your TW file. Reload. A new icon appears 
> over in the sidebar, that will help you create links to SHARED images 
> on 
> gdrive.
>
> HTH
>
> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 7:48:07 AM UTC-7, SRF88 wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> First of all, apologies for the simple question but I am quite 
>> far out of my comfort zone here.
>>
>> I have been using TiddlyDesktop for a while, I use a lot of 
>> photos to illustrate my note taking so I use inks to external 
>> photos. To 
>> make the TiddlyWiki more accessible I have experimented with moving 
>> it to 
>> Google Drive, this has been successful using Tiddly Drive BUT i 
>> cannot 
>> figure out how to link my images.
>>
>> I have come across this plugin that might help 
>> https://github.com/zimiarh/tiddlywiki-external-image but have no 
>> idea how to install it!
>>
>> Or is there a more simple way of linking external images on 
>> Google Drive?
>>
>> Sorry if this question has been answered before, I had a search 
>> and could not find the answer.
>>
>

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Birthe & all,

Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT.
>
>> - can we look after the ill AND not have lockdown for the whole society?
>>
>>  
> Sure. Right now when the system gets overwhelmed we deselect the old and 
> sick.  With less and less health workers surviving, you would of course 
> have to deselect more and more groups from getting treatment. (Resulting in 
> many more death)
> Would you be able to find any more volunteers to do the treatments?
>

Probably. The Lombardy region asked for volunteers and 3,000 retired, 
unemployed or part-time health care workers volunteered.
Several retired volunteer doctors died already.

Another factor is equipment & supplies. Fiat factories in Italy are tooling 
up for mask production since Italy does not currently produce its own.
Ventilators too with other companies.

- what are the consequences of lock-down economically? 
>>
>>  
> Higher than we know I am sure. Leaving every country with a hefty depth, 
> peoples savings have vanished and the pension savings will have lost in 
> value. 
>

*Hopefully capacity to cope will improve*. As will treatments. Alpha 
interferons look promising. Asian countries trialed them first in combo 
with other drugs. And Cuba has been for a long time (Cuba has more doctors 
working internationally than any other proportionately; and extensively 
worked with epidemics in recent decades).

Some cities in the West do have empty large buildings. Here we have a whole 
unused hospital. 
The rough thinking is to bring it back into use and use it specifically for 
covid for the region.

> - given that the virus will "wave" after lockdown repeatedly do you think 
>> it is viable to lockdown repeatedly? 
>>
>> Hm. Not having lock down does not mean that people have the money or 
> demands for the same products.
> Not knowing if the hairdresser is infectious, would you go for a blond 
> treatment, having the highlighted stripes, the hair extension and some tan. 
> It might be a "beauty to die for"
>

So a big issue, if not the issue, is to *increase capacity* so that 
survival rates improve. 

You are right that after lockdown the economy is likely to be damaged from 
trepidation. Italy is awash with family run tavernos. My small city (40k) 
has 40 of them just in the main city. Trepidation may well devastate them.

I asked friends to guess how many businesses here in Gorizia will never 
re-open, a kind of local bet. I guess 10% - 20%. They think it could be 
higher.

Right now I need dental treatment. Dentists are shut. If its an emergency I 
would have to risk the emergency hospital.

*Lock-down is about both coping now and capacity building for the future*. 
If you don't do that you can get in a viscous cycle.

If you don't get back to work too, as well as reduce social isolation, it 
may be worse.

Italy has High numbers of very old people who live alone totally unused to 
isolation. Who socialise daily and never before experienced this kind of 
situation.

I haven't been able to look yet at "consequent" factors like suicide rates. 
Over financial ruin, on intense alienation from society, over just being 
very old and feeling you a burden etc

I'm a person who likes being alone. And even I am going "stir-crazy".

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

Birthe

Thank you for the kind words, it's obvious I'm not taking my 
disability/retirement well...

but as someone more eloquent said it better than i could

Because it gives some sense of power and passion
  In helpless innocence to try to fashion
Our woe in living words howe'er uncouth.

Thompson, City of Dreadful Night

You are right about the younger ones. A lot of them need intensive care to 
survive.
Everywhere some people are living in denial, but really we are able to find 
estimates for each country. (Not testing enough, most will be based on 
"guesstimates".)

I believe people are thinking medicine/healthcare system will "fix" them if 
they get it-- I may be wrong but all they can do for you is supportive 
care-- there's no "fix" for Covid19 yet? 

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[tw5] Re: Tiddler translate by Google button

Google translate is getting better, but not great for Danish, too small a 
population.

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Tiddler translate by Google button

A. Gloom,
The button show: TRANSLATE en-US>en-US
But opening the window the translation offered is en-US to danish.

Birthe

onsdag den 25. marts 2020 kl. 09.39.15 UTC+1 skrev A Gloom:
>
> Birthe,
>
> The "Translate" in the button would be English-- couldn't find a core 
> language tiddler for translate.  Did the button show En/US > (danish)? (the 
> part after the > should be reading your browser's language setting which I 
> thought might be a visual clue the button was for the user's language)
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddler translate by Google button

Birthe,

much gratitude for your testing and feedback

I tested the first Gloom button. It worked. Then I tested Mohammads 
version. Changing the language to danish of course. That worked very well.
Now in another of my Wikies I tried the latest Gloom button, and were 
offered translation into Persian. I could try to clear browser cache of 
course. But instead I tried first version Gloom button and that still works 
without that.

lol I got Hindi.  So my first version still works?  Good.  I wonder why it 
stopped for me...
 

> I want to use your great solutions in more wikies and that seems to work 
> nicely.
>

Mohammad's solution is perfect for applying translate tiddlers to an entire 
wiki, the original button would be good for a trandlate button for single 
tiddlers (like for attaching to a post here) or self-contained stand-alone 
tiddlers (like I usually produce).
 

> Using my wiki translated into danish the button is in english but the 
> translation windows is of course fine.
>

The "Translate" in the button would be English-- couldn't find a core 
language tiddler for translate.  Did the button show En/US > (danish)? (the 
part after the > should be reading your browser's language setting which I 
thought might be a visual clue the button was for the user's language)

The "public health agency search bookmarks" tiddler (over in the Additions 
to Mohammad's Covid wiki) was where I used some core lingo to translate 
some of the tiddler text without needing to use thr translate button-- if 
you want to chezk that as well-- its a single self contained tiddler that 
works by itself (it creates its own temp tiddlers)


> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus: March 2020 [Continued...]

A. Gloom

First and most important. *We* need you - if I could, I would in fact clone 
you!

You are right about the younger ones. A lot of them need intensive care to 
survive.
Everywhere some people are living in denial, but really we are able to find 
estimates for each country. (Not testing enough, most will be based on 
"guesstimates".)

Birthe


onsdag den 25. marts 2020 kl. 09.03.27 UTC+1 skrev A Gloom:
>
> They seem to forgot some of the first to die were people in their 50's not 
> 70's as they think will be the ones dying 
>
> I'm sure everyone knows of Factcheck.org, the have a Covid section (tho 
> seems full of American stories and perhap[s not revelant to other 
> countries-- is the US the only ones living in denial? >> <<) -- 
> https://www.factcheck.org/a-guide-to-our-coronavirus-coverage/ 
>

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[tw5] Re: Radiobutton as Makro

2020-03-25 Thread Gerald Weis

Hello Tony

the tiddler wich contains the radiobutton-macro is the 
standard-macro-tiddler of this wiki.
All macros works.
Only the radiobutton-macro doesnt.
This as Information


Am Dienstag, 24. März 2020 23:38:58 UTC+1 schrieb TonyM:
>
> Gerald,
>
> If the Makrofile/tiddler containing the macro definition is tagged 
> with $:/tags/Macro then <> will be available in any tiddler.
>
> However an alternative is to not define it as a macro but put your code in 
> a tiddler lets call it makrotemplate
> then where you want to use it in any tiddler, 
> `{{||makrotemplate}}` the `||` says use the currentTiddler when 
> transcluding.
>
> As long as a macro - or a template is designed to operate on the 
> currentTiddler it is easy to include it in any tiddler.
>
> I hope this helps without giving too much information
>
> Tony
>
> On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 4:36:06 AM UTC+11, Gerald Weis wrote:
>>
>> hello Tony,
>>
>> then i have the radiobuttonmatrix showing in the Makrofile
>>
>> but not in the tiddler where i want to use it.
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> Am Dienstag, 24. März 2020 02:47:49 UTC+1 schrieb TonyM:
>>>
>>> Does this not work?
>>>
>>> \define Makro()
>>> 
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> 
>>> <>
>>> 
>>> <$radio field="modifier" value="11">wenig Fett/dünn<
>>> /$radio>
>>> <$radio
>>>  field="modifier" value="12">Übergewicht/ zu
>>> hoherFettgehalt 
>>> <$radio field="modifier" value="13">Adipös/fettleibig <
>>> /$radio>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <$radio
>>>  field="modifier" value="21">geringes
>>> Gewicht/dünn
>>> <$radio field="modifier" value="22">Norm
>>> <$radio
>>>  field="modifier" value="23">hohes
>>> Gewicht/muskulös
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <$radio
>>>  field="modifier"
>>> value="31">fettarm/dünn
>>> <$radio
>>>  field="modifier"
>>> value="32">fettarm/muskulös
>>> <$radio
>>>  field="modifier" value="33">hohes
>>> Gewichtmuskulös
>>> 
>>> 
>>> \end
>>> <>
>>>
>>> I cant read code very will with another language in it, but I am curious 
>>> why this updates the modifier field tested on tiddlywiki.com
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 11:52:31 PM UTC+11, Gerald Weis wrote:

 Hello Friends,

 the code in the box works.

 But i want it to have as Makro

 is it possible that can do? It must to works in a lot of tiddler with 
 diverse values.


 

 >

 
 <>
 
 <$radio field="modifier" value="11">wenig Fett/
 dünn
 <$radio
  field="modifier" value="12">Übergewicht/ zu 
 hoherFettgehalt 
 <$radio field="modifier" value="13">Adipös/fettleibig 
 
 
 
 <$radio
  field="modifier" value="21">geringes 
 Gewicht/dünn
 <$radio field="modifier" value="22">Norm
 <$radio
  field="modifier" value="23">hohes 
 Gewicht/muskulös
 
 
 <$radio
  field="modifier" 
 value="31">fettarm/dünn
 <$radio
  field="modifier" 
 value="32">fettarm/muskulös
 <$radio
  field="modifier" value="33">hohes 
 Gewichtmuskulös
 
 




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