[tw5] Re: How do you put SVG & Font Awesome Icons onto ur tags

[justinehe...@gmail.com]

May I also add how do you add the number of tiddlers tagged on the tags 
like Mr. Tobias [image: Screenshot_2.png]

On Friday, 21 August 2020 at 13:51:04 UTC+8 justinehe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello, I wanna know how can I put icons in my tags and I have already 
> imported the Font Awesome plugin ($:/plugins/TheDiveO/FontAwesome) but I 
> still don't know how I could add the icons it has...  

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[tw5] How do you put SVG & Font Awesome Icons onto ur tags

[justinehe...@gmail.com]

 Hello, I wanna know how can I put icons in my tags and I have already 
imported the Font Awesome plugin ($:/plugins/TheDiveO/FontAwesome) but I 
still don't know how I could add the icons it has...  

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[tw5] Re: Sorting sidebar in more Levels

[Gerald Weis]

I solved it with < Gerald,
>
> As you suggest, you wish the second level to be sorted differently to the 
> first, we must also ask what about the third and forth levels?
>
> I do not recall the standard toc macros being designed to handle this. I 
> have posted a number of occasions on recursive macros which a toc macro is. 
> I have also give examples of level type macros that treat each level 
> differently (a few levels only). For example you could call a macro that 
> sorts in one order and for each of the items below call another that sorts 
> in another order, but then perhaps always, sort levels further below that, 
> in one particular way.
>
> I your example you only need to have one list inside another list, and 
> each can have a different sort order. However unlike the TOC macro it will 
> not drill down into deeper and deeper levels.
>
> One though I had it to make an advanced macro that looks to see if there 
> is a sort filter (field) on each tiddler, and sort the children by that if 
> it exists, otherwise use the default sort. In  which case you would need to 
> set this alternative sort order on all tiddlers at the level you want the 
> different sort.
>
> However you could have your top and second level list's nested, then for 
> the children use the TOC macro to go the rest of the way down.
>
> I can give more details to morrow, but see if this helps you understand 
> the issues.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 7:25:52 PM UTC+10, Gerald Weis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hallo the spezialists
>>
>> i have an problem with sorting the sidebar. i want to sort defferents 
>> level in different modes.
>>
>> i admin my cars with tidlywiki.
>>
>> the cyarname should be sorted in the create field down
>> the carthings in the caption field up
>>
>> example:
>>
>>
>>- Auto2
>>   - Benzin
>>   - Fahrzeugpflege
>>   - Inspektion und TÜV
>>   - Räder: Reifen und Felgen
>>   - Reparaturen
>>   - Scheibenwischer
>>   - Versicherung 
>>   - Zulassung
>>   - Auto1
>>   - Benzin
>>   - Fahrzeugpflege
>>   - Inspektion und TÜV
>>   - Räder: Reifen und Felgen
>>   - Reparaturen
>>   - Scheibenwischer
>>   - Versicherung 
>>   - Zulassung
>>- Hilfe
>>
>> the sorting works in a tiddler but not in the the sidebar.
>>
>> i do it so
>>
>> in tiddler Content
>> 
>> <>
>> 
>>
>> in tiddler Auto1 and Auto2
>>
>> 
>> <>
>> 
>>
>> 
>> <>
>> 
>>
>> what can i do that the sorting works in the sidebar.
>>
>> thanks for help
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: unable to use edit mode text field TWSingleFile, local copy

[A Gloom]

@NU

TYVM, the links I was trying to use for .37 were failing (Firefox was 
blocking the install) but that link work-- now I can continue using 
NoScript : )  I tried .39RC3 and it hadn't addressed the issue yet.

@Birthe

Yeah, NoScript can be buggy, I was lucky and didn't have to deal with the 
worst of its issues.  Since websites use so much scripting and cross domain 
content, it can play Hell with websites but it works for me : )

As for work, I had to make a huge diagram for the latest wiki-- to 
illustrate the button controlled transclusions and animations between the 
story river story shell tiddler and customized side bar navigation 
tiddler-- no closing old tiddlers / opening new ones-- all content change 
is done inside the shell tiddlers by transclusion.
On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-4 NU wrote:

> Noscript is aware of the bug, but the latest Noscript RC (.39) does not 
> fix the issue with local Tiddlywikis.
>
> You can roll back to 11.0.37 by disabling automatic updates and getting 
> the old release from the Noscript site: 
> https://secure.informaction.com/download/releases/noscript-11.0.37.xpi
>
> Hopefully this issue will be resolved in the future.
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 4:44:44 AM UTC-4 strikke...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gloom,
>>
>> Quite a detective work you have done.
>> I do not know anything about it, but I searched and found a lot of 
>> complaining. Along the lines of blocking most websites and unusable, not 
>> remembering settings from session to session and stuff like that. 
>>
>> Admiring your work,
>> Birthe
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: How to have a TOC that displays tags?

[jin]

Wow thank u for this! Thank God for ur reply, I have been finding ways on
how for hours yesterday. Again, thank u!


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On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 02:32, Eric Shulman  wrote:

> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-7, jin wrote:
>>
>> Someone recommended me to see Chameleon's Wiki 
>> and her TOC is displayed as tags. I wanted to do that too. But I don't know
>> how. Can you help me? Also, can I search tags or do I have to always look
>> for it on the tags manager? (Sorry I don't know how to tag in Google Groups)
>>
>
> It took a little effort to untangle what Chameleon has done... they tried
> to hide it all, but ultimately, everything that exists in a TiddlyWiki can
> be viewed.
>
> Note: if you want to dig into a little of what Chameleon did, try this
> link: https://wiki.waifu.haus/#Admin
>
> The following will reproduce the sidebar TOC tab:
>
> 1) Create a tiddler named "TOC", tagged with $:/tags/SideBar, containing:
> 
> <$list filter="[tag[TOC]]">
> 
> <$link>
> <$macrocall $name="tag-pill-body" tag=<> icon={{!!icon}}
> colour={{!!color}} palette={{$:/palette}} element-tag="""$button"""/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> 2) Create a tiddler with any name you like, tagged with "TOC"
> 3) Add a field named "color", leave the value blank for now
> 4) Press "done" (checkmark) to save the tiddler
> 5) Press "edit" (pencil) to re-edit the tiddler
> 6) The "color" field will now show a color picker interface... choose a
> color
> 7) If you want to have an icon on the TOC "tag", add a field named "icon"
> and enter the name of an image tiddler (e.g., $:/core/images/spiral)
> 8) Press "done".
>
> The tiddler you created should now appear in the Sidebar TOC tab, with the
> color and icon you have chosen.
> Repeat steps (2) through (8) to create more entries in the TOC.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
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[tw5] Re: Embed wiki into Microsoft Teams (BOB)

[TW Tones]

The Wiki app is only the platform for the tiddlywiki file , once the file 
is there I share the link only.

Regards
Tones

On Friday, 21 August 2020 at 09:50:09 UTC+10 JD wrote:

> Aww shucks. Teams' native wiki app is so lackluster :( 
>
>
> On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 5:51:52 AM UTC+9, Ste wrote:
>>
>> No. It throws up a RSofE so it's view only. 
>>
>> On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 04:07:23 UTC+1 JD wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ste, I maybe hijacking this thread but I'd like to confirm before I 
>>> invest time in it. Will saving work in a wiki hosted by droppages, when I 
>>> insert it into Teams?
>>>
>>> -jd
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 9:19:35 AM UTC+9, Ste wrote:

 I know this answer kind of ignores the way your working with BOB but 
 I'm just hosting single file wikis from Dropbox (droppages.com) 
 (https!) and then inserting it into teams as a web page tab. I'm sure 
 there 
 must be a better way. 
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Embed wiki into Microsoft Teams (BOB)

[JD]

Aww shucks. Teams' native wiki app is so lackluster :( 

On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 5:51:52 AM UTC+9, Ste wrote:
>
> No. It throws up a RSofE so it's view only. 
>
> On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 04:07:23 UTC+1 JD wrote:
>
>> Hi Ste, I maybe hijacking this thread but I'd like to confirm before I 
>> invest time in it. Will saving work in a wiki hosted by droppages, when I 
>> insert it into Teams?
>>
>> -jd
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 9:19:35 AM UTC+9, Ste wrote:
>>>
>>> I know this answer kind of ignores the way your working with BOB but I'm 
>>> just hosting single file wikis from Dropbox (droppages.com) (https!) 
>>> and then inserting it into teams as a web page tab. I'm sure there must be 
>>> a better way. 
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Embed wiki into Microsoft Teams (BOB)

[TW Tones]

Ste,

Using a new sharepoint Wikipage library, I load a wiki with the .aspx 
extension, I then enforced checkout on the wikifile (Whole of library 
setting) and only the one person who has it checked out can save. This 
method permits serial editing, one editor after another.

I chose a Wikipage library because office 365 favours documents in such 
libraries and loads them faster (anecdotal evidence) as they need to load 
to interact like any webpage.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, 13 August 2020 10:19:35 UTC+10, Ste wrote:
>
> I know this answer kind of ignores the way your working with BOB but I'm 
> just hosting single file wikis from Dropbox (droppages.com) (https!) and 
> then inserting it into teams as a web page tab. I'm sure there must be a 
> better way. 

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[tw5] Re: GSD5 plugin issue with tiddler folding

[Calvino]

Hi Tonnes,
Thanks for that explanation.

What I suspect is that the GSD5 plugin is intended to create a standalone 
system, since it outright replaces the core ViewTemplate stuff and has no 
reveals. EIther that, or it dates from earlier in the evolution of TW5 to a 
time there was no fold mechanism.

Now I'm trying to figure out how much work it might be to get it to play 
nicely with the core and with other plugins.
All the Best,
Calvino
On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 4:12:21 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Calvino
>
> It is often a design decision or oversight whether the content of a tool 
> honors the fold tiddler toggle.
>
>- The items tagged $:/tags/ViewTemplate may or may not be toggled
>- Use `<>` to see the tiddlers include, and 
>open one which honors the fold toggle 
>   - eg $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle 
>   
> 
>   - You will see its wrapped in a reveal widget
>
> <$reveal type="nomatch" stateTitle=<> text="hide" tag="div" 
> retain="yes" animate="yes">
>
> Content here responds to the fold toggle
>
> 
>
> If you wrap the contents of a view template addon with this it will 
> exhibit the same behaviour.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Thursday, 20 August 2020 07:36:33 UTC+10, Calvino wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have been starting to use the GSD5 plugin. 
>>
>> One thing I find is that it interferes with the built-in functions for 
>> folding and unfolding tiddlers. That is, they don't work.
>>
>> Does anyone here remember that issue and what the fix for it is?
>>
>> All the Best,
>> Calvino
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Embed wiki into Microsoft Teams (BOB)

[Ste]

No. It throws up a RSofE so it's view only. 

On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 04:07:23 UTC+1 JD wrote:

> Hi Ste, I maybe hijacking this thread but I'd like to confirm before I 
> invest time in it. Will saving work in a wiki hosted by droppages, when I 
> insert it into Teams?
>
> -jd
>
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 9:19:35 AM UTC+9, Ste wrote:
>>
>> I know this answer kind of ignores the way your working with BOB but I'm 
>> just hosting single file wikis from Dropbox (droppages.com) (https!) and 
>> then inserting it into teams as a web page tab. I'm sure there must be a 
>> better way. 
>
>

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[tw5] Re: How to have a TOC that displays tags?

[Eric Shulman]

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-7, jin wrote:
>
> Someone recommended me to see Chameleon's Wiki  
> and her TOC is displayed as tags. I wanted to do that too. But I don't know 
> how. Can you help me? Also, can I search tags or do I have to always look 
> for it on the tags manager? (Sorry I don't know how to tag in Google Groups)
>

It took a little effort to untangle what Chameleon has done... they tried 
to hide it all, but ultimately, everything that exists in a TiddlyWiki can 
be viewed.

Note: if you want to dig into a little of what Chameleon did, try this 
link: https://wiki.waifu.haus/#Admin

The following will reproduce the sidebar TOC tab:

1) Create a tiddler named "TOC", tagged with $:/tags/SideBar, containing:

<$list filter="[tag[TOC]]">

<$link>
<$macrocall $name="tag-pill-body" tag=<> icon={{!!icon}} 
colour={{!!color}} palette={{$:/palette}} element-tag="""$button"""/>





2) Create a tiddler with any name you like, tagged with "TOC"
3) Add a field named "color", leave the value blank for now
4) Press "done" (checkmark) to save the tiddler
5) Press "edit" (pencil) to re-edit the tiddler
6) The "color" field will now show a color picker interface... choose a 
color
7) If you want to have an icon on the TOC "tag", add a field named "icon" 
and enter the name of an image tiddler (e.g., $:/core/images/spiral)
8) Press "done".

The tiddler you created should now appear in the Sidebar TOC tab, with the 
color and icon you have chosen.
Repeat steps (2) through (8) to create more entries in the TOC.

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

[Saq Imtiaz]

Keelan, install this and let me know if it gets us in the ballpark of 
helpful search behaviour:

https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fsq%2Fstreams-search


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[tw5] Re: [TW5] A small update to rboue's Three.js plugin

[Stephen Wilson]

Digging around a little bit would suggest native stl support:  
$:/plugins/rboue/Three.js/Lib/Loaders/STLLoader.js but just dropping the 
text output of an STL into a tiddler and pointing to it threw up an error. 

On Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 17:28:06 UTC+1 Ste wrote:

> Ah. Ok. Isn't the stl baked into three.js? I'll have a look. 
> Just prodding at the edges of embedding models from onshape.com which 
> although it does a good link share won't allow it to be embedded because of 
> reasons. Was hoping stl export and tiddlywiki could be a pain free ish 
> solution. 
> Thanks for the reply. 
>
> On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 at 19:04:36 UTC+1 inmy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I think that you would need to add the stl loader component for 3js to 
>> the plugin, or as a separate plugin, but it is certainly possible.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 10:48:25 PM UTC+2, Jed Carty wrote:
>>>
>>> For another project I had to use three.js a bit and because everything 
>>> goes with TiddlyWiki I started playing around with the Three.js plugin. I 
>>> made a small modification to the $view3js widget so that you can now pass 
>>> arguments to the three js program from tiddlywiki. You can pass a json 
>>> object to the widget as the opts input to be passed to the main function 
>>> for the three js program. It is a bit awkward at the moment but I will 
>>> hopefully clean it up in the future.
>>>
>>> It is a small update and the credit still belongs to rboue.
>>>
>>> I am not sure if many people are going to have use for this but I don't 
>>> know how to contact rboue and this may be useful for someone. I made a 
>>> quick demo here http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/ThreeJS/ if you 
>>> change the values on the range widgets it will rotate the object around the 
>>> x y or z axis.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] How to have a TOC that displays tags?

[jin]

Someone recommended me to see Chameleon's Wiki  
and her TOC is displayed as tags. I wanted to do that too. But I don't know 
how. Can you help me? Also, can I search tags or do I have to always look 
for it on the tags manager?

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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

[Saq Imtiaz]

@Keelan your summary for how search could be set up for you is correct.

 I don't know if it makes a great generic solution for Streams users since 
they might customize their node titles to be generated differently, or wish 
to rename without it affecting search results. The best way to figure that 
out of course, is to let people try it.

I wrote the code that follows the parent field to the root, I just need to 
adjust to only follow when the title of the node includes the parent 
tiddler title as a prefix. Will do so as soon as I get the chance.

Regards,
Saq

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 4:18:53 PM UTC+2, Keelan Cook wrote:
>
> Saq, if I'm understanding correctly, that does sound intriguing. Let me 
> rehash my understanding of what you are saying, just to make sure I'm 
> getting it.
>
> I do understand (and very much like) that the sub-nodes are not actually 
> in a hierarchy, and that they are attached through the parent field. That's 
> one of the big strengths of the plugin. Each tiddler is actually a stand 
> alone note that can be transcluded a dozen times into different content. 
> Literature notes are durable that way. And when I am creating content, a 
> paragraph can easily be moved to another place in the flow of the article. 
> That makes writing and editing a smooth experience. 
>
> Furthermore, it does allow me to change the title of a note to whatever I 
> desire, because the title is not the determining factor for its presence in 
> the stream. It relies on the title being in the parent field, and the 
> relink plugin ensures it stays there if I change it. 
>
> However, what it sounds like you are suggesting is a search option that 
> uses the parent field and checks it somehow to follow up to the "main" 
> tiddler for that stream. Doing this would search all of the tiddlers in the 
> stream, but show the "main" tiddler as the search result for all of them... 
> with one exception. If I have changed the title to something that does not 
> include the "main" tiddler title, then it would not be included, it would 
> stand alone as it's own search result.
>
> Am I understanding you correctly? If so, that does, indeed sound like a 
> good option, and I think it would streamline the flow for researching with 
> Streams.
>
> Concerning the tiddler you mentioned, here are the contents of that 
> tiddler:
>
> <>/<>
>
> Thanks again, Saq.
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 6:50:30 AM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Keelan,
>>
>> Another short reply for now, going to work through the rest of your 
>> feedback piecemeal as time permits.
>>
>> Regarding search:
>>
>> *Search gets confusing.* I've learned to adjust to this, but all of the 
>>> streams tiddlers show up in search. Most of the time, I only want the 
>>> parent to show and then I will find what I want on that "main tiddler." 
>>> However, I periodically have a tiddler created in a stream that rises to 
>>> the level of a stand alone tiddler, so I would want it to index. I realize 
>>> the dilemma in all of this. So, I think if we could omit all the children 
>>> and just index the main parent tiddler for a stream in search, it would be 
>>> preferrable, since it is possible to just rename a specific stream 
>>> tiddler and then it could index.
>>
>>
>>  I thought about putting together a quick search solution for search 
>> where only the root node is returned in search results, but quickly 
>> realized there is a conceptual snag. Streams is intentionally written so 
>> that it doesn't care about the titles of tiddlers for maintaining the 
>> relationships between them. So for example:
>>
>> History/1908 is not a subnode of History because of it's title, but 
>> rather because History/1908 has a field called *parent* with value 
>> History.
>>
>> So it's easily doable to have a custom search only return the root node 
>> of results by following the parent field back through relationships to the 
>> end. However, just renaming a tiddler would not make it show up in the 
>> search results. You would have to delete the "parent" field thereby 
>> removing it from the Stream.
>>
>> So this makes a generic and flexible solution quite difficult. However, 
>> it would be doable to create a custom solution for you where search always 
>> follows the parent field upwards as long as the parent tiddler title is a 
>> substring of the tiddler in question.
>>
>> That is if History/1908 has the field parent pointing to History, we 
>> follow that field.
>> If French Revolution has the field parent pointing to History, we do not 
>> follow it.
>>
>>  Let me know if this would be helpful, and if so what the value of the 
>> tiddler $:/config/sq/streams/new-node-title is when you open it for editing.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>>
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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

[Keelan Cook]

Saq, if I'm understanding correctly, that does sound intriguing. Let me 
rehash my understanding of what you are saying, just to make sure I'm 
getting it.

I do understand (and very much like) that the sub-nodes are not actually in 
a hierarchy, and that they are attached through the parent field. That's 
one of the big strengths of the plugin. Each tiddler is actually a stand 
alone note that can be transcluded a dozen times into different content. 
Literature notes are durable that way. And when I am creating content, a 
paragraph can easily be moved to another place in the flow of the article. 
That makes writing and editing a smooth experience. 

Furthermore, it does allow me to change the title of a note to whatever I 
desire, because the title is not the determining factor for its presence in 
the stream. It relies on the title being in the parent field, and the 
relink plugin ensures it stays there if I change it. 

However, what it sounds like you are suggesting is a search option that 
uses the parent field and checks it somehow to follow up to the "main" 
tiddler for that stream. Doing this would search all of the tiddlers in the 
stream, but show the "main" tiddler as the search result for all of them... 
with one exception. If I have changed the title to something that does not 
include the "main" tiddler title, then it would not be included, it would 
stand alone as it's own search result.

Am I understanding you correctly? If so, that does, indeed sound like a 
good option, and I think it would streamline the flow for researching with 
Streams.

Concerning the tiddler you mentioned, here are the contents of that tiddler:

<>/<>

Thanks again, Saq.
On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 6:50:30 AM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Keelan,
>
> Another short reply for now, going to work through the rest of your 
> feedback piecemeal as time permits.
>
> Regarding search:
>
> *Search gets confusing.* I've learned to adjust to this, but all of the 
>> streams tiddlers show up in search. Most of the time, I only want the 
>> parent to show and then I will find what I want on that "main tiddler." 
>> However, I periodically have a tiddler created in a stream that rises to 
>> the level of a stand alone tiddler, so I would want it to index. I realize 
>> the dilemma in all of this. So, I think if we could omit all the children 
>> and just index the main parent tiddler for a stream in search, it would be 
>> preferrable, since it is possible to just rename a specific stream 
>> tiddler and then it could index.
>
>
>  I thought about putting together a quick search solution for search where 
> only the root node is returned in search results, but quickly realized 
> there is a conceptual snag. Streams is intentionally written so that it 
> doesn't care about the titles of tiddlers for maintaining the relationships 
> between them. So for example:
>
> History/1908 is not a subnode of History because of it's title, but rather 
> because History/1908 has a field called *parent* with value History.
>
> So it's easily doable to have a custom search only return the root node of 
> results by following the parent field back through relationships to the 
> end. However, just renaming a tiddler would not make it show up in the 
> search results. You would have to delete the "parent" field thereby 
> removing it from the Stream.
>
> So this makes a generic and flexible solution quite difficult. However, it 
> would be doable to create a custom solution for you where search always 
> follows the parent field upwards as long as the parent tiddler title is a 
> substring of the tiddler in question.
>
> That is if History/1908 has the field parent pointing to History, we 
> follow that field.
> If French Revolution has the field parent pointing to History, we do not 
> follow it.
>
>  Let me know if this would be helpful, and if so what the value of the 
> tiddler $:/config/sq/streams/new-node-title is when you open it for editing.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Whitespace theme and Stroll incompatibility? (JD)

[Stephen Wilson]

:D Excellent!
Your just too productive JD.
I'll check out mono too :)

Cheers

Ste

On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 14:55:42 UTC+1 JD wrote:

> Oh, my bad, I went on about Mono theme when we've been discussing 
> Whitespace. Whitespace isn't styling anything on mobile, so maybe you can 
> try http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/ with it? 
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 19:49 Stephen Wilson,  wrote:
>
>> [image: 
>> screenshot-stephenteacher.tiddlyspot.com-2020.08.20-12_40_28.png]This 
>> is what I get on mobile with no top menu bar plugin. (should be  screenshot 
>> there).  The arrow just pulls up the sidebar as per regular TiddlyWiki and 
>> the column button still appears in tiddlers (using the stories plugin) but 
>> the general behaviour is true even with stories disabled.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 01:49:45 UTC+1 JD wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ste! Thanks for helping me keep this theme up to date! 
>>>
>>> Mono styles the topbar for narrow screens, which means, on its own it 
>>> doesn't need a separate mobile plugin. 
>>>
>>> However, if you'd like to use the core Menubar plugin, or any other 
>>> topbar plugin, I can update Mono so that its topbar both in narrow and wide 
>>> screens can be offset (to accomodate the extra space needed by the 
>>> additional topbar) up to the distance of user's choice. 
>>>
>>> Do you think that can be a good compromise? My main desire for my themes 
>>> is for them to be very accomodating to other plugins as well! 
>>>
>>> -jd
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 20:22 Ste,  wrote:
>>>
 So perhaps a better question would be...which of your mobile themes/ 
 topbars plays best with this theme (I'm sure I tried it on mobile with the 
 topbar plugin disabled and there wasn't anything, but that could be user 
 error...)

 On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 at 12:48:25 UTC+1 Ste wrote:

> Hi JD,
> Not stroll this time but the menu bar plugin.
> The menubar plugin covers over the hamburger.
> I'm not wedded to that plugin, but do like a topbar of some 
> description for mobile layout.  (I have used a few of your awesome themes 
> for this before) :)
>
> Liking the 
>
> On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 10:27:42 UTC+1 JD wrote:
>
>> Hi Birthe, thanks for the info! I'll have to check those out too! 
>>
>> Schedule has gotten crazy so I'll post again when the fix is 
>> available! Thanks again
>>
>> -jd
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 2:12:13 AM UTC+9, Birthe C wrote:
>>>
>>> JD,
>>>
>>> I am running white theme and stories plugin + your compatibility 
>>> stylesheet. It works well for me. BUT I imported the stories plugin at 
>>> the 
>>> same time you published your compatibility stylesheet. A couple of days 
>>> later there was an update of the stories plugin. To be able to set the 
>>> width of the stories.
>>> I did not update to that for my use.
>>>
>>> I do use that updated stories plugin with mono theme though and that 
>>> works well.
>>>
>>> After the update of the stories plugin, also 2 viewtemplates from 
>>> Dave is necessary or the tiddlercontrols will hop and dance.
>>>
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>>
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[tw5] Re: unable to use edit mode text field TWSingleFile, local copy

[NU]

Noscript is aware of the bug, but the latest Noscript RC (.39) does not fix 
the issue with local Tiddlywikis.

You can roll back to 11.0.37 by disabling automatic updates and getting the 
old release from the Noscript site: 
https://secure.informaction.com/download/releases/noscript-11.0.37.xpi

Hopefully this issue will be resolved in the future.

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 4:44:44 AM UTC-4 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Gloom,
>
> Quite a detective work you have done.
> I do not know anything about it, but I searched and found a lot of 
> complaining. Along the lines of blocking most websites and unusable, not 
> remembering settings from session to session and stuff like that. 
>
> Admiring your work,
> Birthe
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Re: [tw5] Re: Whitespace theme and Stroll incompatibility? (JD)

[E Browns]

Oh, my bad, I went on about Mono theme when we've been discussing
Whitespace. Whitespace isn't styling anything on mobile, so maybe you can
try http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/ with it?

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 19:49 Stephen Wilson, 
wrote:

> [image: screenshot-stephenteacher.tiddlyspot.com-2020.08.20-12_40_28.png]This
> is what I get on mobile with no top menu bar plugin. (should be  screenshot
> there).  The arrow just pulls up the sidebar as per regular TiddlyWiki and
> the column button still appears in tiddlers (using the stories plugin) but
> the general behaviour is true even with stories disabled.
>
> On Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 01:49:45 UTC+1 JD wrote:
>
>> Hi Ste! Thanks for helping me keep this theme up to date!
>>
>> Mono styles the topbar for narrow screens, which means, on its own it
>> doesn't need a separate mobile plugin.
>>
>> However, if you'd like to use the core Menubar plugin, or any other
>> topbar plugin, I can update Mono so that its topbar both in narrow and wide
>> screens can be offset (to accomodate the extra space needed by the
>> additional topbar) up to the distance of user's choice.
>>
>> Do you think that can be a good compromise? My main desire for my themes
>> is for them to be very accomodating to other plugins as well!
>>
>> -jd
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 20:22 Ste,  wrote:
>>
>>> So perhaps a better question would be...which of your mobile themes/
>>> topbars plays best with this theme (I'm sure I tried it on mobile with the
>>> topbar plugin disabled and there wasn't anything, but that could be user
>>> error...)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 at 12:48:25 UTC+1 Ste wrote:
>>>
 Hi JD,
 Not stroll this time but the menu bar plugin.
 The menubar plugin covers over the hamburger.
 I'm not wedded to that plugin, but do like a topbar of some description
 for mobile layout.  (I have used a few of your awesome themes for this
 before) :)

 Liking the

 On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 10:27:42 UTC+1 JD wrote:

> Hi Birthe, thanks for the info! I'll have to check those out too!
>
> Schedule has gotten crazy so I'll post again when the fix is
> available! Thanks again
>
> -jd
>
>
> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 2:12:13 AM UTC+9, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> JD,
>>
>> I am running white theme and stories plugin + your compatibility
>> stylesheet. It works well for me. BUT I imported the stories plugin at 
>> the
>> same time you published your compatibility stylesheet. A couple of days
>> later there was an update of the stories plugin. To be able to set the
>> width of the stories.
>> I did not update to that for my use.
>>
>> I do use that updated stories plugin with mono theme though and that
>> works well.
>>
>> After the update of the stories plugin, also 2 viewtemplates from
>> Dave is necessary or the tiddlercontrols will hop and dance.
>>
>>
>> Birthe
>>
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[tw5] Re: Delete confirmation for blank tiddlers

[Eric Shulman]

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 5:15:09 AM UTC-7, kebi wrote:
>
> Thanks Tony and Eric for your analyses, in 
> *$:/core/modules/widgets/navigator.js* I tried removing the following 
> condition
> || (tiddler.fields.text || "")
> and now it always asks before deletion.
>

Hmm... I think that conditional is needed if you are creating a new tiddler 
and type something into the text field, and then press the delete button 
from the editor toolbar.  In that situation, the tiddler doesn't exist yet, 
but the tiddler.fields.text value is not blank, so it should ask before 
discarding the input.  I suggest checking the above interaction and see if 
it still asks.

In any case, modifying this central TWCore tiddler is ill-advised, since it 
can interfere with upgrading later on.  Reporting an issue on github is the 
right course of action, so Jeremy can take a look and possibly find a 
better fix.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Whitespace theme and Stroll incompatibility? (JD)

[Birthe C]

Ste,

I am using whitespace theme and stories plugin. Using whitespace theme you 
have the option to have sidebar at the left or at the right. I have sidebar 
on the left. I do not have a mobile but on a small screen I get the page 
controls in the bottom - but the sidebar arrow does not work, that is true.

Have you tried using the mono theme, I think you might find it a better 
fit. I am using it with stroll.

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Lost in transclusion

[Ed Heil]

and the wikify widget is finally, for the first time, clear to me. 
Thanks!

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 7:47:32 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Werner,
>
> I am confident Eric is spot on. It was the correct understanding of this 
> issue and the use of wikify that stopped me getting stuck regularly. I have 
> being trying to get some activity on this because it is a barrier to new 
> users. Perhaps this quick note will help as a rule until you fully 
> understand it.
>
>- If you need a value to be "evaluated" from wikitext to use within 
>subsequent Wikitext logic use the wikify widget at the last possible 
> moment.
>   - This guide suggests trying to use wikify in external macros is a 
>   path to disappointment
>- Make sure you close the wikify appropriately (as with all other 
>widgets) or unusual and broken result will occur
>- Its only at the final render of the tiddler that all things are 
>wikified automatically so a standalone `<>` appears to produce 
>the result you want, but as Eric said the result inside the wikitext 
>(before evaluation) without wikification it is not evaluated at that point.
>- It is fine to use the same name when wikifying to stop code 
>complexity
>
> \define macroname() blah blah
> <$wikify name=macroname text="<>">
>use <> here where it is the wikified version, or pre-
> evaluated
> 
>
> In closing
>
>- If some of our community developers see this what would be better is 
>something like the following;
>   - Allow any variable to be referenced in its "evaluated state" eg 
>   ((macroname)) would effectively wikify inline
>   - Automatically wikify/evaluate variables or macros when used in 
>   filters and other appropriate places.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 7:15:51 AM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 10:06:59 AM UTC-7, Werner wrote:
>>>
>>> I am referring to a tiddler called activeDossier whose contents refers 
>>> to a JSON data tiddler. Tiddler content 
>>> is {{$:/data/CI/companyRegister##1/name}}.
>>>
>>> <$set name="theCompany" value={{$:/data/CI/activeDossier}}>
>>> !<$vars tv-wikilinks=no><> 
>>> <$list filter="[!is[system]search]" >
>>> <>
>>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>
>> The problem is that you are doing a "double transclusion".  That is, the 
>> value of <> retrieved via transclusion isn't the actual name of 
>> the company as text, but rather a secondary transclusion from a JSON 
>> tiddler (i.e., {{$:/data/CI/companyRegister##1/name}}).  When you render 
>> <>, TiddlyWiki automatically parses that transclusion and 
>> displays the actual value.  However, when you use search in the 
>> filter, the value isn't parsed any further, and you are literally searching 
>> for the transclusion syntax, not the actual company name as text.
>>
>> To resolve this, use <$wikify> instead of <$set> to fetch theCompany 
>> value, like this:
>> <$wikify name="theCompany" text={{$:/data/CI/activeDossier}}>
>> !<$vars tv-wikilinks=no><> 
>> <$list filter="[!is[system]search]" >
>> <>
>> 
>> 
>> The $wikify gets the value from the activeDossier tiddler AND then also 
>> parses that value, so the result is the desired text value from the 
>> underlying $:/data/CI/companyRegister tiddler.
>>
>> When you use it in the search filter, it's already fully 
>> resolved to be the actual company name as text, so the search should work 
>> as you intend.
>>
>> -e
>>
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[tw5] Re: Delete confirmation for blank tiddlers

[kebi]

Thanks Tony and Eric for your analyses, in 
*$:/core/modules/widgets/navigator.js* I tried removing the following 
condition
|| (tiddler.fields.text || "")

and now it always asks before deletion.
The code that I removed was an "or" condition so it should have worked 
without changing the code, that's strange.

- kebi

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Re: [tw5] Re: Whitespace theme and Stroll incompatibility? (JD)

[Stephen Wilson]

[image: screenshot-stephenteacher.tiddlyspot.com-2020.08.20-12_40_28.png]This 
is what I get on mobile with no top menu bar plugin. (should be  screenshot 
there).  The arrow just pulls up the sidebar as per regular TiddlyWiki and 
the column button still appears in tiddlers (using the stories plugin) but 
the general behaviour is true even with stories disabled.

On Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 01:49:45 UTC+1 JD wrote:

> Hi Ste! Thanks for helping me keep this theme up to date! 
>
> Mono styles the topbar for narrow screens, which means, on its own it 
> doesn't need a separate mobile plugin. 
>
> However, if you'd like to use the core Menubar plugin, or any other topbar 
> plugin, I can update Mono so that its topbar both in narrow and wide 
> screens can be offset (to accomodate the extra space needed by the 
> additional topbar) up to the distance of user's choice. 
>
> Do you think that can be a good compromise? My main desire for my themes 
> is for them to be very accomodating to other plugins as well! 
>
> -jd
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 20:22 Ste,  wrote:
>
>> So perhaps a better question would be...which of your mobile themes/ 
>> topbars plays best with this theme (I'm sure I tried it on mobile with the 
>> topbar plugin disabled and there wasn't anything, but that could be user 
>> error...)
>>
>> On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 at 12:48:25 UTC+1 Ste wrote:
>>
>>> Hi JD,
>>> Not stroll this time but the menu bar plugin.
>>> The menubar plugin covers over the hamburger.
>>> I'm not wedded to that plugin, but do like a topbar of some description 
>>> for mobile layout.  (I have used a few of your awesome themes for this 
>>> before) :)
>>>
>>> Liking the 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 10:27:42 UTC+1 JD wrote:
>>>
 Hi Birthe, thanks for the info! I'll have to check those out too! 

 Schedule has gotten crazy so I'll post again when the fix is available! 
 Thanks again

 -jd


 On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 2:12:13 AM UTC+9, Birthe C wrote:
>
> JD,
>
> I am running white theme and stories plugin + your compatibility 
> stylesheet. It works well for me. BUT I imported the stories plugin at 
> the 
> same time you published your compatibility stylesheet. A couple of days 
> later there was an update of the stories plugin. To be able to set the 
> width of the stories.
> I did not update to that for my use.
>
> I do use that updated stories plugin with mono theme though and that 
> works well.
>
> After the update of the stories plugin, also 2 viewtemplates from Dave 
> is necessary or the tiddlercontrols will hop and dance.
>
>
> Birthe
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Simple Wikitext Syntax Highlighting

[E Browns]

Thank you! I'll file these feature requests there ^^,

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 16:26 Adithya B,  wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestions and enthusiasm :)
>
> I am too a bit rusty with javascript but am gaining confidence as I work
> on this more.
>
> I just fixed this today (check the latest version on
> adithyab.tiddlyspot.com):
> ```
> monospace me, too?
> ```
>
> Do you use github? It would help if you can start filing these on the
> github repo.
> https://github.com/adithya-badidey/TW5-codemirror-plus
>
> I will use that to chip through these slowly.
>
> Cheers,
> Adithya
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 8:22:49 AM UTC+5:30 JD wrote:
>
>> Adithya! This is wonderful, especially for people like me who want the
>> tiniest degree of separation between View and Edit modes!
>>
>> Some things I hope you can add:
>>
>> \define macroMe(name:"teacup")
>>> I'm a little $name$
>>> \end
>>
>>
>> Can macro definitions have a certain color, and the macro name to be
>> bold? For example, I wish this whole block to be <> muted-foreground>>, where $name$ is highlighted in another color, maybe
>> <>, sample:
>>
>> \define *macroMe*(name:"teacup")
>>> I'm a little $*name*$
>>> \end
>>
>>
>> As an extension to this thought: can I target this whole text block in
>> CSS? This is a desirable workflow for me: on mouse-hover, this whole block
>> of text is very visible, to allow no room for mistakes while editing. Then
>> with no mouse hover, it assumes the coloring as stated above, or maybe even
>> just a lighter opacity (I can do this with CSS of course, if it's a class
>> that can be *exposed *to me)
>>
>> //ddf//
>>>  __underline__
>>>   ~~strikethrough~~
>>
>> And some sup^^s^^ and sub,,s,, because I write like this sometimes
>>
>>
>> I hope you can add the above in the future, especially the *//Italics//*,
>> __*underlines*__, and ~~strike-throughs~~! (no google groups formatting
>> for strikethroughs, so I can't show the visualization)!
>>
>>
>>> <>
>>> <>
>>
>>
>> Like [[*]] and {{*}}, can <<* "">> have a color? And within it, can
>> strings starting and ending with* "* also be styled? Sample:
>>
>>  <>
>>
>> <>
>>
>>
>> For strings inside back-ticks,
>>
>> `monospace me, and color <>?`
>>> ```
>>> monospace me, too?
>>> ```
>>
>>
>> I've set my CodeMirror font to *NonSerif*, can it be so that strings
>> within back-ticks are monospaced, colored <>?
>>
>> As for the html links, they're colored already, but can that be extended
>> so that maybe clicking on them while CTRL is held down, will result to the
>> link opening in another browser tab? Also, I write external links this way
>> a lot:
>>
>> [[title|http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/]]
>>>
>>
>> can it be treated differently from a normal tiddler [[*]] link ? Sample:
>>
>> [[*title*|http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/]]
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry if these are a hassle to include! I am requesting these from
>> the perspective of someone going in and out of wikitext and defining
>> macros, who need these visual identifiers in the textarea.
>>
>> Also from a perspective external to tiddlywiki... In my line of work,
>> there is a lot of visual identifiers in "edit mode", before we pass on the
>> work to people who will only ever access it in "view mode". This is to help
>> us designers in our field to self-correct immediately, reducing the need
>> for multiple checks, while the raw form of the work is still exposed to us
>> (rarely do we even access the work in "view mode").
>>
>> Your CodeMirror extension has the potential to really *mirror* my actual
>> non-tiddlywiki work setup, and thus I'm really excited! I hope somehow
>> these can be implemented in your future plugin. If not, I wish you can
>> provide tutorials so I can personally extend the features (I have totally
>> no idea how to JS)
>>
>> Thanks for this, really! It has so much potential!
>>
>> -jd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 11:46:27 PM UTC+9, Adithya B wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mario,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help.
>>>
>>> I have been able to get it working in TW5!
>>> I have created a new project here:
>>> https://github.com/adithya-badidey/TW5-codemirror-plus to start working
>>> on it.
>>>
>>> JD and others, can you try it out and give feedback?
>>> This is how it looks
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2020-08-19 at 7.55.10 PM.png]
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 12:52:35 AM UTC+5:30 PMario wrote:
>>>
 On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:02:37 PM UTC+2, Adithya B wrote:
>
> [...] change the format to x-tiddlywiki but there seem to be a big bug
> (where the formatting breaks when urls have //)


 Yea, that's a bug. ... The "workaround fix is" put a // at the end of
 the line, which will end "italic" formatting.


>
> I would happily give some time to work on it if you can help me
> understand this code:
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/codemirror-mode-x-tiddlywiki
> Its obfuscated and minimized :/
>

[tw5] Re: unable to use edit mode text field TWSingleFile, local copy

[Birthe C]

Hi Gloom,

Quite a detective work you have done.
I do not know anything about it, but I searched and found a lot of 
complaining. Along the lines of blocking most websites and unusable, not 
remembering settings from session to session and stuff like that. 

Admiring your work,
Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Simple Wikitext Syntax Highlighting

[Adithya B]

Thanks for the suggestions and enthusiasm :)

I am too a bit rusty with javascript but am gaining confidence as I work on 
this more.

I just fixed this today (check the latest version on 
adithyab.tiddlyspot.com):
```
monospace me, too?
```

Do you use github? It would help if you can start filing these on the 
github repo.
https://github.com/adithya-badidey/TW5-codemirror-plus

I will use that to chip through these slowly.

Cheers,
Adithya

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 8:22:49 AM UTC+5:30 JD wrote:

> Adithya! This is wonderful, especially for people like me who want the 
> tiniest degree of separation between View and Edit modes!
>
> Some things I hope you can add:
>
> \define macroMe(name:"teacup")
>> I'm a little $name$
>> \end
>
>
> Can macro definitions have a certain color, and the macro name to be bold? 
> For example, I wish this whole block to be <>, 
> where $name$ is highlighted in another color, maybe < code-foreground>>, sample:
>
> \define *macroMe*(name:"teacup")
>> I'm a little $*name*$
>> \end
>
>  
> As an extension to this thought: can I target this whole text block in 
> CSS? This is a desirable workflow for me: on mouse-hover, this whole block 
> of text is very visible, to allow no room for mistakes while editing. Then 
> with no mouse hover, it assumes the coloring as stated above, or maybe even 
> just a lighter opacity (I can do this with CSS of course, if it's a class 
> that can be *exposed *to me)
>
> //ddf//
>>  __underline__
>>   ~~strikethrough~~ 
>
> And some sup^^s^^ and sub,,s,, because I write like this sometimes
>
>
> I hope you can add the above in the future, especially the *//Italics//*, 
> __*underlines*__, and ~~strike-throughs~~! (no google groups formatting 
> for strikethroughs, so I can't show the visualization)!
>  
>
>> <>
>> <>
>
>
> Like [[*]] and {{*}}, can <<* "">> have a color? And within it, can 
> strings starting and ending with* "* also be styled? Sample:
>
>  <>
>
> <>
>
>
> For strings inside back-ticks, 
>
> `monospace me, and color <>?` 
>> ```
>> monospace me, too?
>> ```
>
>
> I've set my CodeMirror font to *NonSerif*, can it be so that strings 
> within back-ticks are monospaced, colored <>?
>
> As for the html links, they're colored already, but can that be extended 
> so that maybe clicking on them while CTRL is held down, will result to the 
> link opening in another browser tab? Also, I write external links this way 
> a lot:
>
> [[title|http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/]]
>>
>
> can it be treated differently from a normal tiddler [[*]] link ? Sample:
>
> [[*title*|http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/]]
>
>
>  
> I'm sorry if these are a hassle to include! I am requesting these from the 
> perspective of someone going in and out of wikitext and defining macros, 
> who need these visual identifiers in the textarea.
>
> Also from a perspective external to tiddlywiki... In my line of work, 
> there is a lot of visual identifiers in "edit mode", before we pass on the 
> work to people who will only ever access it in "view mode". This is to help 
> us designers in our field to self-correct immediately, reducing the need 
> for multiple checks, while the raw form of the work is still exposed to us 
> (rarely do we even access the work in "view mode").
>
> Your CodeMirror extension has the potential to really *mirror* my actual 
> non-tiddlywiki work setup, and thus I'm really excited! I hope somehow 
> these can be implemented in your future plugin. If not, I wish you can 
> provide tutorials so I can personally extend the features (I have totally 
> no idea how to JS)
>
> Thanks for this, really! It has so much potential! 
>
> -jd
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 11:46:27 PM UTC+9, Adithya B wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mario,
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> I have been able to get it working in TW5!
>> I have created a new project here: 
>> https://github.com/adithya-badidey/TW5-codemirror-plus to start working 
>> on it.
>>
>> JD and others, can you try it out and give feedback?
>> This is how it looks
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2020-08-19 at 7.55.10 PM.png]
>>
>> On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 12:52:35 AM UTC+5:30 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:02:37 PM UTC+2, Adithya B wrote:

 [...] change the format to x-tiddlywiki but there seem to be a big bug 
 (where the formatting breaks when urls have //)
>>>
>>>
>>> Yea, that's a bug. ... The "workaround fix is" put a // at the end of 
>>> the line, which will end "italic" formatting.
>>>  
>>>

 I would happily give some time to work on it if you can help me 
 understand this code:  
 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/codemirror-mode-x-tiddlywiki
 Its obfuscated and minimized :/

>>>
>>> You'd need to work with the source code. 
>>> https://github.com/codemirror/CodeMirror/blob/master/mode/tiddlywiki/tiddlywiki.js
>>> You'll need to understand the internal working of cm-mode code. .. see: 
>>> 

[tw5] Re: unable to use edit mode text field TWSingleFile, local copy

[A Gloom]

additional info: empty.html downloaded to Downloads directory
behavior happens regardless of wiki location on drive
all wikis were saved with the wiki save button

THE SAME LOCAL WIKIS THAT SHOW THIS BEHAVIOR WERE UPLOADED TO ONLINE DOMAIN 
AND THEY DON'T SHOW THIS BEHAVIOR WHEN EDITING IS INITITATED

NoScript is blocking something locally (file:///) but not online
On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 3:16:13 AM UTC-4 A Gloom wrote:

> THE LATEST NOSCRIPT UPDATE (11.0.38) FOR FIREFOX PREVENTS ANY EDITING 
> ABILITY OF LOCAL DRIVE SINGLE FILE TW
>
> It is an issue with NoScript 11.0.38 (an firefox security (javascript 
> blocking) extension).  When I disable the extension or remove it, the edit 
> mode issue resolves.  NoScript auto updated the day the problems started.  
> I cannot find a previous version (11.0.37 & below) or roll back the update 
> to do further troubleshooting.
>
> I have tried reinstalling NoScript, every settings, starting/restarting, 
> etc
>
> The troubleshooting workflow:
> 1. download empty.html from tiddlywiki com (browser save window opens, 
> save to local drive as I have done everytime before)
> 2. open empty.html in Firefox
> 3. close GettingStarted tiddler
> 4. click new tiddler button in icon bar below searchbar
> the result is seen in the screenshot shown previously
>
> does it for all local single file TW's (vers 5.1.22 5.1.21 5.1.19)
> doesn't do it with new tiddlers opened online at tiddlywiki com
> will upload one of the malfunctioning wikis to online to demo that they 
> will allow editing online but not locally
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 11:32:28 AM UTC-4 NU wrote:
>
>> I use File-backups (https://github.com/pmario/file-backups). The issue 
>> persists after disabling and restarting. Thanks for the hint though, I will 
>> try disabling other add-ons to see if that resolves the issue.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 9:50:20 AM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> It works OK for me on FF 79 on Linux. 
>>>
>>> By "downloader", which extension do you mean?
>>>
>>> It's possible an extension is having an effect even if you disabled, if 
>>> you didn't restart FF. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 6:36:03 AM UTC-7, NU wrote:

 I have the exact same issue with Firefox 79, even occurring with an 
 empty file downloaded from the main site. It only occurs in Firefox, 
 Chrome 
 still works okay.

 Using Firefox 79 64 bit on both Windows and Linux. Occurs with 
 downloader addon both enabled and disabled.

 Go to tiddlywiki.com, scroll to the GettingStarted tiddler, click the 
 big blue "Download empty" button, open the empty.html file in Firefox 79, 
 click the edit button on the GettingStarted tiddler or make a new tiddler. 
 Behaviour doesn't change if it's being saved to the Download directory or 
 a 
 subdirectory.

 However, I can create and edit tiddlers on tiddlywiki.com. If I 
 subsequently download (using the tiddlywiki save changes button) and open 
 the local copy of the tiddlywiki.com site, the issue reappears.

 I am using Chrome as a workaround for now but this is not ideal as it 
 lacks key functionality that Firefox offers.

 [image: tiddlywikiissue.png]
 On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 4:14:18 PM UTC-4 Mat wrote:

> Not hitting any wrong key combos, all mouse clicks during 
>> troubleshooting so unless I have a stuck key, keystrokes shouldn't be an 
>> issue.
>>
>
> It is also *possible *to mouse click to save the page, at least in 
> chrome. But I'd agree with Mark - it seems like one of those inexplicable 
> behaviours and in the past these have often (at least that's my 
> impression) 
> been because people have used the browser to save. 
> ...but you do say it happens also for new empty wikis. Maybe you 
> should describe every step you do to replicate the problem, starting with 
> going to tiddlywiki.com and explain how you proceed from there?
>
> <:-)
>


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[tw5] Re: unable to use edit mode text field TWSingleFile, local copy

[A Gloom]

THE LATEST NOSCRIPT UPDATE (11.0.38) FOR FIREFOX PREVENTS ANY EDITING 
ABILITY OF LOCAL DRIVE SINGLE FILE TW

It is an issue with NoScript 11.0.38 (an firefox security (javascript 
blocking) extension).  When I disable the extension or remove it, the edit 
mode issue resolves.  NoScript auto updated the day the problems started.  
I cannot find a previous version (11.0.37 & below) or roll back the update 
to do further troubleshooting.

I have tried reinstalling NoScript, every settings, starting/restarting, etc

The troubleshooting workflow:
1. download empty.html from tiddlywiki com (browser save window opens, save 
to local drive as I have done everytime before)
2. open empty.html in Firefox
3. close GettingStarted tiddler
4. click new tiddler button in icon bar below searchbar
the result is seen in the screenshot shown previously

does it for all local single file TW's (vers 5.1.22 5.1.21 5.1.19)
doesn't do it with new tiddlers opened online at tiddlywiki com
will upload one of the malfunctioning wikis to online to demo that they 
will allow editing online but not locally
On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 11:32:28 AM UTC-4 NU wrote:

> I use File-backups (https://github.com/pmario/file-backups). The issue 
> persists after disabling and restarting. Thanks for the hint though, I will 
> try disabling other add-ons to see if that resolves the issue.
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 9:50:20 AM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> It works OK for me on FF 79 on Linux. 
>>
>> By "downloader", which extension do you mean?
>>
>> It's possible an extension is having an effect even if you disabled, if 
>> you didn't restart FF. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 6:36:03 AM UTC-7, NU wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the exact same issue with Firefox 79, even occurring with an 
>>> empty file downloaded from the main site. It only occurs in Firefox, Chrome 
>>> still works okay.
>>>
>>> Using Firefox 79 64 bit on both Windows and Linux. Occurs with 
>>> downloader addon both enabled and disabled.
>>>
>>> Go to tiddlywiki.com, scroll to the GettingStarted tiddler, click the 
>>> big blue "Download empty" button, open the empty.html file in Firefox 79, 
>>> click the edit button on the GettingStarted tiddler or make a new tiddler. 
>>> Behaviour doesn't change if it's being saved to the Download directory or a 
>>> subdirectory.
>>>
>>> However, I can create and edit tiddlers on tiddlywiki.com. If I 
>>> subsequently download (using the tiddlywiki save changes button) and open 
>>> the local copy of the tiddlywiki.com site, the issue reappears.
>>>
>>> I am using Chrome as a workaround for now but this is not ideal as it 
>>> lacks key functionality that Firefox offers.
>>>
>>> [image: tiddlywikiissue.png]
>>> On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 4:14:18 PM UTC-4 Mat wrote:
>>>
 Not hitting any wrong key combos, all mouse clicks during 
> troubleshooting so unless I have a stuck key, keystrokes shouldn't be an 
> issue.
>

 It is also *possible *to mouse click to save the page, at least in 
 chrome. But I'd agree with Mark - it seems like one of those inexplicable 
 behaviours and in the past these have often (at least that's my 
 impression) 
 been because people have used the browser to save. 
 ...but you do say it happens also for new empty wikis. Maybe you should 
 describe every step you do to replicate the problem, starting with going 
 to 
 tiddlywiki.com and explain how you proceed from there?

 <:-)

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Delete confirmation for blank tiddlers

[Eric Shulman]

On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 10:42:25 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>
>
>- A Quick look at the delete tiddler button $:/core/ui/Buttons/delete 
>shows it uses the button message="tm-delete-tiddler 
>"
>
> The processing for the tm-delete-tiddler message is defined here: 
*$:/core/modules/widgets/navigator.js*,
which sets up an event listener that triggers: *handleDeleteTiddlerEvent*

Examining this function, we find the following lines of code:

if((this.wiki.getTiddler(originalTitle) || (tiddler.fields.text || "") !== 
"")
 && !confirm($tw.language.getString("ConfirmDeleteTiddler",{variables:{title
: confirmationTitle}}))) {
 return false;
 }

This code checks to see if getTiddler() returns a non-null value (i.e., the 
tiddler exists) or if the current text field is not blank (i.e., text has 
been entered while editing). If either of these conditions is true, then it 
prompts for confirmation.  If you press "cancel", then the code skips the 
delete action (return false).  If you press "ok", the code continues on to 
perform the deletion.

>From the above, it appears that it *should* be asking to confirm since the 
tiddler does exist.
However, it seems that this is not what is actually happening.
I don't see where the logic is broken, but this is where it occurs.

-e


 

>
>- There is no mention of this behaviour and no parameters to override 
>it.
>- Only changing the text stops this behaviour, adding a tag or field 
>with a value does not cause the are you sure warning.
>
> It can be quite common to create tiddlers accidentally and want to simply 
> delete them, so I am not surprised at this behaviour. When it is only a 
> tiddler with a title then all that is deleted is the title, if there is any 
> content what so ever, you may not be able to see it eg; fields, then it 
> should trigger the confirmation (in my view).
>
> Perhaps you can submit and *issue* on github for a setting to be provided 
> in the control panel settings to change this behaviour?
>
> In the mean time perhaps you could consider either modifying the tiddler, 
> even just add space to the text. Another way to do this is to make your own 
> "new tiddler button" and modify it to set the text to " " space only, and 
> hide the existing one. However new here and other will not be affected?
>
> *Good catch*
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Thursday, 20 August 2020 12:22:07 UTC+10, kebi wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Eric for your testing.
>> The delete button I'm talking about is not the one inside the edit 
>> tiddler view, but the one in the view toolbar ($:/core/ui/Buttons/delete)
>>
>> - kebi
>>
>

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