from:"David"

Too good, Tweeter!

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:47:54 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> I'm sorry Dave but you may have chosen the wrong name.
>
> I know you took precautions, but that Pfizer shot may be interfering with 
> your preliminary findings.
>
> This kind of thing has cropped up before, Dave, but honestly I wouldn't 
> worry about that.
>
> HAL, x
>

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[tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

Wow, PMario, I had only seen the two shorter replies. I just realized now 
you had a much more substantial response. That looks like a lot of work. I 
will give it a try. Thank you very much.

I actually have been going sideways on this, to get it the way I would use 
it. It is quite different than HAL. I will share when I get it stable, and 
I will compare it with the macro you attached. Blessings!

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4 PMario wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> You do have a very fine sense, what can be useful for other users. I like 
> it!
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:09:21 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
> Just got Pfizer shot #2 yesterday, and no reactions yet.
>>
>
> :)
>  
>
>> I was poking at the fixes I need to do on the Subsume plugin, and got 
>> distracted enough to came up with this idea, somewhat similar:
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/hal.macro.html (HAL = header and list)
>>
>> I would appreciate feedback:
>>
>> 1. Is there a more concise / proper way to do the macro?
>>
>
> I did change quite a bit and hope you like it too.
>  
>
>> 2. Do you think the link and edit icons are too annoying? 
>>
>
> Yea .. a bit. Especially since you mention printing. So you probably don't 
> want them to be shown on paper.
>  
>
>> Any suggestions?  (I am on the fence about how they look and whether the 
>> 'view' link is necessary. If it were just for me, I would only have the 
>> edit link. But if I share online content this way, some might want to open 
>> a tiddler to view it, share a link it, print it, etc, and the edit stuff 
>> would confuse them).
>>
>
> I can't  believe, that I will write this: You could make an "invisible" 
> edit link, that will only show on hover. So only users, who know, where the 
> link is will see it. 
>
> For the "link" you could change the hal-caption() macro, that I did add 
> to the code in a way that it will use a link to the title instead of the 
> pure text. 
>
> This behaviour could be changed with a global setting. eg: 
> $:/.giffmex/hal/config/show-caption-link and a reveal-widget. The value 
> defaults to "no". If it is set to "yes" then it shows the alternative view. 
> ... It would also be possible to switch between 2 macro names instead of 
> "yes" and "no" ...
>
> I think you can borrow some code from my 
>  
>
>> 3. Is there a way to set the list filter $view so that it displays: 
>> caption field if there is one, and title field if there is no caption?
>>
>
> Yes. See the new hal-caption() macro in the code
>  
>
>> 4. Opinions: do you like it better with or without blurb field?
>>
>
> I do like this field, but imo this will depend on the users taste. 
>
> ---
>
> I would suggest the following things. 
>
>- Make the macro code readable, to be able to change stuff
>   - \whitespace trim  ... will remove the extra whitespace, so no 
>   artefacts are part of the HTML code
>   - Show caption if available ... Using the same mechanism as the 
>core /toc -macro
>- Made the macro code visible in view mode (Kudos go to Eric Shulman;)
>- Added the hal-blurb() macro, so it can be switched on / off in the 
>future. A macro makes future development easier
>- I did replace the SPAN elements with DIV elements. SPANs are inline 
>and DIV are block elements. So now "display: block" in CSS needed!
>- I did replace the B elements with STRONG because of some info at MDN 
><https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/b#usage_notes> 
>See 2nd paragraph there. 
>- I did remove all the  elements (except of 1), because they 
>should not be used for styling - CSS is used for styling
>   - There is 1  element left, because it is needed if the 
>   "title" + "blurb" is selected and copy / pasted. There needs to be a 
> space 
>   in between the title and the blurb
>   - I did replace the spaces with tc-small-gap-left which is part of 
>   the vanilla CSS 
>   
> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/b3accbf9e0b56742be4e07f67cfa325921dcfccd/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base.tid#L3031>
>  
>   since 5.1.23. 
>
>
>- I did make the Stylesheet readable 
>- I did clean the Stylesheet a bit and add new elements needed
>   - There is a hover "animation" for the buttons now
>   - The mouse cursor changes shape, to give user-feedback, when they 
>   are able to click something
>
>
> Hope you like it.
> Cod

Re: [tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

Okay, I will look at that some time soon.

David Gifford
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On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 2:50 PM PMario  wrote:

> HI,
> The hover-animation could probably be borrowed from my links-to-tabs macor
> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs
> It's CSS only, but it needs type: text/vnd.tiddlywiki to work properly.
> -m
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Re: [tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

Thanks PMario!




On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 2:45 PM PMario  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> You do have a very fine sense, what can be useful for other users. I like
> it!
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:09:21 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
> Just got Pfizer shot #2 yesterday, and no reactions yet.
>>
>
> :)
>
>
>> I was poking at the fixes I need to do on the Subsume plugin, and got
>> distracted enough to came up with this idea, somewhat similar:
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/hal.macro.html (HAL = header and list)
>>
>> I would appreciate feedback:
>>
>> 1. Is there a more concise / proper way to do the macro?
>>
>
> I did change quite a bit and hope you like it too.
>
>
>> 2. Do you think the link and edit icons are too annoying?
>>
>
> Yea .. a bit. Especially since you mention printing. So you probably don't
> want them to be shown on paper.
>
>
>> Any suggestions?  (I am on the fence about how they look and whether the
>> 'view' link is necessary. If it were just for me, I would only have the
>> edit link. But if I share online content this way, some might want to open
>> a tiddler to view it, share a link it, print it, etc, and the edit stuff
>> would confuse them).
>>
>
> I can't  believe, that I will write this: You could make an "invisible"
> edit link, that will only show on hover. So only users, who know, where the
> link is will see it.
>
> For the "link" you could change the hal-caption() macro, that I did add
> to the code in a way that it will use a link to the title instead of the
> pure text.
>
> This behaviour could be changed with a global setting. eg:
> $:/.giffmex/hal/config/show-caption-link and a reveal-widget. The value
> defaults to "no". If it is set to "yes" then it shows the alternative view.
> ... It would also be possible to switch between 2 macro names instead of
> "yes" and "no" ...
>
> I think you can borrow some code from my
>
>
>> 3. Is there a way to set the list filter $view so that it displays:
>> caption field if there is one, and title field if there is no caption?
>>
>
> Yes. See the new hal-caption() macro in the code
>
>
>> 4. Opinions: do you like it better with or without blurb field?
>>
>
> I do like this field, but imo this will depend on the users taste.
>
> ---
>
> I would suggest the following things.
>
>- Make the macro code readable, to be able to change stuff
>   - \whitespace trim  ... will remove the extra whitespace, so no
>   artefacts are part of the HTML code
>   - Show caption if available ... Using the same mechanism as the
>core /toc -macro
>- Made the macro code visible in view mode (Kudos go to Eric Shulman;)
>- Added the hal-blurb() macro, so it can be switched on / off in the
>future. A macro makes future development easier
>- I did replace the SPAN elements with DIV elements. SPANs are inline
>and DIV are block elements. So now "display: block" in CSS needed!
>- I did replace the B elements with STRONG because of some info at MDN
><https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/b#usage_notes>
>See 2nd paragraph there.
>- I did remove all the  elements (except of 1), because they
>should not be used for styling - CSS is used for styling
>   - There is 1  element left, because it is needed if the
>   "title" + "blurb" is selected and copy / pasted. There needs to be a 
> space
>   in between the title and the blurb
>   - I did replace the spaces with tc-small-gap-left which is part of
>   the vanilla CSS
>   
> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/b3accbf9e0b56742be4e07f67cfa325921dcfccd/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base.tid#L3031>
>   since 5.1.23.
>
>
>- I did make the Stylesheet readable
>- I did clean the Stylesheet a bit and add new elements needed
>   - There is a hover "animation" for the buttons now
>   - The mouse cursor changes shape, to give user-feedback, when they
>   are able to click something
>
>
> Hope you like it.
> Code is in the attachment
>
> IMO that's not all things, that may be done. Especially the link- and
> edit-buttons could be improved with settings.
>
> "Well, I don’t think there is any question about it.
> It can only be attributable to human error.
> This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to
> human error."
> - HAL9000
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Re: [tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

I had a feeling someone might reference  2001. I just didn't realize how
appropriate the line in 2001 was. Good one Eric! :-)




On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 9:20 AM Eric Shulman  wrote:

> "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."
>
> - HAL9000
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 6:09:21 AM UTC-7 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Just got Pfizer shot #2 yesterday, and no reactions yet. I was poking at
>> the fixes I need to do on the Subsume plugin, and got distracted enough to
>> came up with this idea, somewhat similar:
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/hal.macro.html (HAL = header and list)
>>
>> I would appreciate feedback:
>>
>> 1. Is there a more concise / proper way to do the macro?
>> 2. Do you think the link and edit icons are too annoying? Any
>> suggestions?  (I am on the fence about how they look and whether the 'view'
>> link is necessary. If it were just for me, I would only have the edit link.
>> But if I share online content this way, some might want to open a tiddler
>> to view it, share a link it, print it, etc, and the edit stuff would
>> confuse them).
>> 3. Is there a way to set the list filter $view so that it displays:
>> caption field if there is one, and title field if there is no caption?
>> 4. Opinions: do you like it better with or without blurb field?
>>
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[tw5] Feedback desired for HAL macro


Hi everyone

Just got Pfizer shot #2 yesterday, and no reactions yet. I was poking at 
the fixes I need to do on the Subsume plugin, and got distracted enough to 
came up with this idea, somewhat similar:

https://giffmex.org/experiments/hal.macro.html (HAL = header and list)

I would appreciate feedback:

1. Is there a more concise / proper way to do the macro?
2. Do you think the link and edit icons are too annoying? Any suggestions?  
(I am on the fence about how they look and whether the 'view' link is 
necessary. If it were just for me, I would only have the edit link. But if 
I share online content this way, some might want to open a tiddler to view 
it, share a link it, print it, etc, and the edit stuff would confuse them).
3. Is there a way to set the list filter $view so that it displays: caption 
field if there is one, and title field if there is no caption?
4. Opinions: do you like it better with or without blurb field?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Introducing: the Subsume plugin.

2021-08-10 Thread David Gifford

Thanks Flibbles! I will get to that right away!




On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:23 AM Flibbles 
wrote:

> Hey David Gifford,
>
> I'm noticing you're integrating with Relink by using the inline "\relink"
> pragma. I'd strongly recommend you change it so your plugin uses the relink
> whitelist instead. You just need a tiddler named:
>
> $:/config/flibbles/relink/macros/subsume/tid
>
> whose contents is: title
>
> The reason for doing this is because right now, Subsume DEPENDS on Relink
> being installed, or else your plugin doesn't work. Your macro page reads
> the "\relink subsume tid" and it doesn't know what to make of it, so it
> stops reading pragma wikitext right there and never processes your macro.
>
> If you use the whitelist trick, then Subsume works just fine without
> Relink, but automatically integrates with Relink if Relink is present.
> Also, this allows end-users to disable or modify your Relink integration
> without overriding your macro shadow tiddler.
>
> Good luck!
> -Flibbles
>
> On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 5:12:39 PM UTC-4 scot wrote:
>
>> Thank you for quick reply Brian.
>> i will give it a try.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Scot
>> On Monday, 19 July 2021 at 21:25:50 UTC+1 Brian Radspinner wrote:
>>
>>> If you overwrite the shadow tiddler *$:/plugins/giffmex/subsume/macro/*
>>> with the following:
>>>
>>> \relink subsume tid
>>> \define subsume(tid:"" *field:"text"*) <$view
>>> tiddler="$tid$" field="title"/><$link
>>> to="$tid$">*>> class="indent1"><$transclude tiddler="$tid$" *field=$field$*
>>> mode="block"/>
>>>
>>> ...you can then specify a field to display besides text, but text will
>>> be the default if you leave it off. Example:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[collection[foo]sort[title]]">
>>> <$macrocall $name=subsume tid=<> field="f1"/>
>>> 
>>> On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 1:00:04 PM UTC-7 scot wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks @ David Gifford for another great tool.
>>>>
>>>> Hello @Brian Radspinner,
>>>> Can you tell me how to expand the filter to include additional tiddler
>>>> fields other than title.
>>>> e.g. {{!!f1}}
>>>>
>>>> The example below doesn't work.
>>>>
>>>> <$list filter="[object-type[task]sort[title]]">
>>>>
>>>> <$macrocall $name=subsume tid=<>/>
>>>> {{!!f1}}
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Scot
>>>> On Monday, 19 July 2021 at 13:09:31 UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wow, nice to wake up to find a question and someone already answered
>>>>> it! Thanks Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 1:10:30 AM UTC-5 Sapphireslinger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian, thank you so much! It works!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 10:50:59 AM UTC+8 Brian Radspinner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @sapphireslinger give this a try:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <$list filter="[collection[foo]sort[title]]">
>>>>>>> <$macrocall $name=subsume tid=<>/>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 7:35:56 PM UTC-7 Sapphireslinger wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David, thank you so much for this Subsume plugin. May I ask how to
>>>>>>>> use it in a list filter?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This works:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <$list filter="[collection[foo]sort[title]]">
>>>>>>>> <$details summary={{!!title}}>
>>>>>>>> <$transclude field="text" mode="block"/>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This does not work:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <$list filter="[collection[foo]sort[title]]">
>>>>>>>> <$subsume summary={{!!title}}>
>>>>>>>> <$transclude field="text" mode="block"/>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>

[tw5] Re: Better indexes through semantic modeling

2021-08-10 Thread David Gifford

Hi Soren

You make me very eager for the semantic modeling plugin! And boy that looks 
like a challenging list for your sabbatical! Enjoy it. Blessings to you.

On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 3:02:15 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Ciao Soren
>
> VERY interesting write-up of a common practical puzzle with a well 
> conceived SOLUTION.
>
> I'm gonna look at it more and comment in more detail later.
>
> ONE thing worth mentioning *already* is that TiddlyWiki, I think, is very 
> good for being able to DEMONSTRATE STRATAGEMS on linkages. 
> It's open architecture, that does NOT prior commit any user to any 
> specific theory of linkage (i.e. any theory of knowledge), makes it 
> brilliant to illustrate clearly otherwise obscure concepts of informational 
> page design. 
>
> Later 'gator
> TT
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW the finite state machine

Thanks for pointing out Tones' standard nomenclature, I hadn't seen that. I 
just added it to the TiddlyWiki toolmap.

On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-4 davou...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hello all,
>
> I've been casually using TW for a few months now. In the past couple weeks 
> I have started working with the slightly more advanced features. 
> https://groktiddlywiki.com/read/ has been very helpful, thanks Soren. One 
> of the obstacles for me to grok TW is there appears to be a lot of 
> conditional rules based on the current context of the parser - ex: in 
> tiddler text vs macro call vs macro definition. This makes me visualize TW 
> as a finite state machine. Maybe it's actually designed as such, I haven't 
> looked at the code. Anyway, the nice explanation by PMario here 
> just 
> bolstered my visualization.
>
> I don't suppose there is documentation of TW as finite state machine. 
> Probably not, but thought I would ask. What I mean is documentation broken 
> down as:
>
>1. Here are all the possible states TW can be in
>2. Here are the rules for when TW is in a given state
>3. And here are the triggers that will change TW from one state to 
>another
>
> Maybe there are too many states, or may different levels/granularities of 
> states.
>
> The closest I found is Tones' https://anthonymuscio.github.io/It has many 
> of the rules for a given "state".
>
> Thank you.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting... Speech-to-Text plugin for TW5!!!

Looking forward to the demo site!

On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 9:25:34 AM UTC-4 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> *Have you ever wanted a plugin in TW5 to make tiddler-creation easier?*
>
> Well... look no further! With the Speech-to-Text-in-TW5 plugin 
> , you can click the 
> Record button in the sidebar, speak into your computer, and a new tiddler 
> with the transcript will be created for you!
>
> The project was the idea of me (flancast90), and was a combination of 
> BurningTreeC's TW knowledge, and my JS API calls, and really made it what 
> it is!
>
> The plugin can be found at 
> https://github.com/flancast90/Speech-To-Text-in-TW5, where documentation 
> is in progress. Please feel free to drop a star if you appreciate our work. 
>
> Lastly, I want to thank everyone involved in this forum, and in GitHub. 
> Besides BurningTreeC and I, TW Tones and Joshua Fontay also supported our 
> project early on with their knowledge and ideas. 
>
> Enjoy!!
>

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[tw5] Re: Inconsistency is so frustrating

Yes, PMario, I concur with davou's comment, that your description was very 
helpful. My apologies to you, PMario, for not thanking you sooner for your 
patient and thorough reply that must have taken some time to write out. 
What a friendly gesture. Blessings to you!

On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 12:32:22 PM UTC-4 davou...@gmail.com wrote:

> PMario,
>
> Thanks for this explanation. It was very helpful.
>
> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 10:06:08 AM UTC-4 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi David, 
>>
>> I hope you feel better now ;)
>>
>> So the only thing I can do here is : Try to explain how the parser 
>> algorithm works, so that you can see, why it behaves the way as it does. 
>>
>> ===
>>
>> The tiddlywiki parser knows 2 types of rules
>>
>>  - block rules   and
>>  - inline rules
>>
>> For the whole tiddler content it always starts with "block mode" and 
>> starts to "scan" for "block rules". If a block is found it switches to 
>> "inline mode" and starts to look for "inline rules". ... I call this the 
>> "context" here in the post.
>>
>> Here comes some ''bold'' text.  
>>
>> It detects the whole text as a paragraph "block" ... which will be 
>> rendered like this: ->   Here comes some *bold* text 
>>
>> As HTML code it looks like this:  Here comes some 
>> bold text. 
>>
>> The P element defines the "block"
>> The ''bold'' wikitext is an *inline-rule* per definition.
>>
>> That make sense. right?
>>
>> --
>>
>> So the question now is, how does the parser detect different blocks of 
>> text,  to create paragraph tags around them. ... We all know this rule: 2 
>> NewLines .. will split 2 text elements into separated paragraphs. 
>>
>> eg: 
>>
>> paragraph 1
>>
>> paragraph 2
>>
>> That makes sense. right?
>> -
>>
>> text 1
>> text 2
>>
>> Doesn't contain 2 new-lines but 1 ... It's inline mode and it will be 
>> translated to the following HTML code
>>
>> text 1
>> text 2
>>
>> You can see the new-line is still there BUT HTML ignores whitespace per 
>> specification. ... So the browser shows the text like this
>>
>> text 1text 2
>>
>> So it's not a TW problem, it's the browser that follows the rules. ... 
>> TiddlyWiki has a wikitext rule to compensate this problem 
>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Hard%20Linebreaks%20in%20WikiText>. 
>> Hard-Linebreaks
>>
>> """
>> text 1
>> text 2 
>> """
>>
>> Which creates this: text 1text 2 which tells the browser 
>> to add line-breaks.  
>>
>> A second method to achieve a similar result is Hard linebreaks with CSS 
>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Hard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS:[[Hard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS]]%20[[Hard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS%20-%20Example]]>.
>>   
>> Which works well for wikitext. It may cause problems with macros and 
>> widgets.
>>
>> 
>>
>> You may say: BUT the following macros only have 1 new-line between them. 
>>
>> <>
>> <>
>>
>> I say: Yes, you are right. ... But *macros *and *transclusions *have to 
>> be able to inherit the mode from their context. ... eg: 
>>
>> \define bold(text) ''$text$''
>>
>> Here comes some <> text. 
>>
>> The parser starts at line 1 character 1 and detects some text. The "end 
>> marker" for text blocks is  2 new-lines
>> After the block of text is detected, it switches to *inline-mode*. 
>>
>> It detects the macro within this context, so the macro is rendered in 
>> inline mode.
>>
>> The text is translated to the following HTML code: Here comes some 
>> bold text. 
>>
>> That's what we expect. Right?  
>>
>> --
>>
>> As written above macros and transclusions do inherit the mode from their 
>> context. 
>>
>> Back to your example: Let's have a look at the "context" here. ... 
>>
>> \define macrocall() aaa
>> \define macrocall2() bbb
>>
>> <>
>> <>
>>
>> The context is the whole tiddler body, which starts as block mode. 
>> Then the parser detects the start << and the end >> of a macro in line 
>> 1. ... There is no other info
>> The mode is still block mode, that's why the macro is rendered in block 
>

Re: [tw5] CSS for tooltips in TiddlyWiki?

@Eric - I will try that out! Thanks!

@Tones - ah, now I understand your earlier post better. Thanks for
clarifying that!




On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:42 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> David,
>
> I am happy to accept being wrong (when I am and no doubt too often) but my
> reply only intended assertion was, the title which acts as a tooltip can be
> styled, as a counter claim to "tooltips cannot be styled". Eric has
> fortunately shown how to defeat TiddlyWiki's own tooltip css to address the
> duplicate issue.
>
> Perhaps I should have spelled out what I was proving.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> Post Script: However I am confidently not wrong about a lot of other
> things Like Human Induced Climate Change ;)
> On Monday, 9 August 2021 at 21:26:22 UTC+10 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones and PMario
>>
>> For once you guys are both wrong.
>>
>> Tones: If you go to the link you provided, and do the Run snippet, you
>> will see it also has two tooltips. The one they generated comes up
>> instantly, and the default one lags behind by a second. I also tried with
>>  and it does the same thing.
>>
>> PMario: I am not sure you read my post carefully. The tooltip is what I
>> want, not the link. I am just using the link widget because it has a
>> tooltip and is inline. Not sure why you would suggest removing it.
>>
>> I found this solution which works great.
>> https://www.w3docs.com/snippets/css/how-to-change-the-style-of-the-title-attribute-inside-an-anchor-tag.html
>>
>> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 9:42:37 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> The html title attribute can be used for tooltips
>>>
>>> WHO was founded in
>>> 1948.
>>> W3Schools.com
>>>
>>> Knowing this I found How to change the style of the title attribute
>>> inside an anchor tag?
>>> <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2011142/how-to-change-the-style-of-the-title-attribute-inside-an-anchor-tag>
>>> The title attribute is a Global attribute
>>> <https://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_title.asp>
>>>
>>> Stylesheet
>>> a {
>>>   position: relative;
>>>   display: inline-block;
>>>   margin-top: 20px;
>>> }
>>>
>>> a[title]:hover::after {
>>>   content: attr(title);
>>>   color: red;
>>>   position: absolute;
>>>   top: -100%;
>>>   left: 0;
>>> }
>>>
>>> Other tiddler
>>> http://www.google.com/; title="Hello world!"> Hover over me
>>> 
>>>
>>> Which suggests that there is no styling outside your control.
>>>
>>> Now all you need to do do is get your css selector to target the div
>>> span or other element to handle your link or use the href instead. Or
>>> target the CSAS classes used in the link widget.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>> On Monday, 9 August 2021 at 00:24:57 UTC+10 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Jeremy and flanc...
>>>>
>>>> 1. This is for me, so in this case I am not worried about other users
>>>> with touchscreens, or compatibility.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Let me go about this another way, then. First, here is the styling I
>>>> did to create the custom tooltip:
>>>>
>>>> a[title]:hover::after { content: attr(title); position: relative; top:
>>>> -5px; left: 10px; width:450px;
>>>> color:#000;background-color:#eee;padding:5px;padding-right:10px; }
>>>>
>>>> 3. The above looks great, but then moments later the 'normal'
>>>> TiddlyWiki tooltip shows up. Is there any way to hide it? Or delay it so
>>>> long it won't interfere?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 9:59:30 AM UTC-4 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly, browsers do not allow web pages to apply styles to tooltips.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is possible to create fake tooltips in CSS and JavaScript that can
>>>>> be styled, but these approaches compromise accessibility and 
>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another point to bear in mind is that there's no guarantee that all
>>>>> users will be able to see tooltips because they are not compatible with
>>>>> touch screens.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeremy.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>&g

Re: [tw5] CSS for tooltips in TiddlyWiki?

Hi Tones and PMario

For once you guys are both wrong. 

Tones: If you go to the link you provided, and do the Run snippet, you will 
see it also has two tooltips. The one they generated comes up instantly, 
and the default one lags behind by a second. I also tried with  
and it does the same thing. 

PMario: I am not sure you read my post carefully. The tooltip is what I 
want, not the link. I am just using the link widget because it has a 
tooltip and is inline. Not sure why you would suggest removing it.

I found this solution which works great. 
https://www.w3docs.com/snippets/css/how-to-change-the-style-of-the-title-attribute-inside-an-anchor-tag.html

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 9:42:37 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> The html title attribute can be used for tooltips
>
> WHO was founded in 
> 1948.
> W3Schools.com
>
> Knowing this I found How to change the style of the title attribute 
> inside an anchor tag? 
> <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2011142/how-to-change-the-style-of-the-title-attribute-inside-an-anchor-tag>
> The title attribute is a Global attribute 
> <https://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_title.asp>
>
> Stylesheet
> a {
>   position: relative;
>   display: inline-block;
>   margin-top: 20px;
> }
>
> a[title]:hover::after {
>   content: attr(title);
>   color: red;
>   position: absolute;
>   top: -100%;
>   left: 0;
> }
>
> Other tiddler
> http://www.google.com/; title="Hello world!"> Hover over me 
>
> Which suggests that there is no styling outside your control.
>
> Now all you need to do do is get your css selector to target the div span 
> or other element to handle your link or use the href instead. Or target the 
> CSAS classes used in the link widget.
>
> Regards
> Tones
> On Monday, 9 August 2021 at 00:24:57 UTC+10 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jeremy and flanc...
>>
>> 1. This is for me, so in this case I am not worried about other users 
>> with touchscreens, or compatibility.
>>
>> 2. Let me go about this another way, then. First, here is the styling I 
>> did to create the custom tooltip:
>>
>> a[title]:hover::after { content: attr(title); position: relative; top: 
>> -5px; left: 10px; width:450px; 
>> color:#000;background-color:#eee;padding:5px;padding-right:10px; }
>>
>> 3. The above looks great, but then moments later the 'normal' TiddlyWiki 
>> tooltip shows up. Is there any way to hide it? Or delay it so long it won't 
>> interfere?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 9:59:30 AM UTC-4 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Sadly, browsers do not allow web pages to apply styles to tooltips.
>>>
>>> It is possible to create fake tooltips in CSS and JavaScript that can be 
>>> styled, but these approaches compromise accessibility and compatibility.
>>>
>>> Another point to bear in mind is that there's no guarantee that all 
>>> users will be able to see tooltips because they are not compatible with 
>>> touch screens.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeremy Ruston
>>> jer...@jermolene.com
>>> https://jermolene.com
>>>
>>> On 8 Aug 2021, at 14:43, David Gifford  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> I would like to style the tooltip that comes up when hovering over a 
>>> link. 
>>>
>>> I tried a snippet I found online for regular tooltips, but that created 
>>> a second tooltip, so both appear near each other. I would just like to 
>>> style the one for TiddlyWiki links created with the link widget below. I 
>>> want to use it to display short inline hidden notes.
>>>
>>> <$link to="." tooltip="this is the tooltip">**
>>>
>>> Anyone know the CSS for TW tooltips? I skimmed vanilla base but did not 
>>> find anything.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance, Dave
>>>
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Re: [tw5] CSS for tooltips in TiddlyWiki?

2021-08-08 Thread David Gifford

Thanks Jeremy and flanc...

1. This is for me, so in this case I am not worried about other users with 
touchscreens, or compatibility.

2. Let me go about this another way, then. First, here is the styling I did 
to create the custom tooltip:

a[title]:hover::after { content: attr(title); position: relative; top: 
-5px; left: 10px; width:450px; 
color:#000;background-color:#eee;padding:5px;padding-right:10px; }

3. The above looks great, but then moments later the 'normal' TiddlyWiki 
tooltip shows up. Is there any way to hide it? Or delay it so long it won't 
interfere?



On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 9:59:30 AM UTC-4 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Sadly, browsers do not allow web pages to apply styles to tooltips.
>
> It is possible to create fake tooltips in CSS and JavaScript that can be 
> styled, but these approaches compromise accessibility and compatibility.
>
> Another point to bear in mind is that there's no guarantee that all users 
> will be able to see tooltips because they are not compatible with touch 
> screens.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> --
> Jeremy Ruston
> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 8 Aug 2021, at 14:43, David Gifford  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> I would like to style the tooltip that comes up when hovering over a link. 
>
> I tried a snippet I found online for regular tooltips, but that created a 
> second tooltip, so both appear near each other. I would just like to style 
> the one for TiddlyWiki links created with the link widget below. I want to 
> use it to display short inline hidden notes.
>
> <$link to="." tooltip="this is the tooltip">**
>
> Anyone know the CSS for TW tooltips? I skimmed vanilla base but did not 
> find anything.
>
> Thanks in advance, Dave
>
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[tw5] CSS for tooltips in TiddlyWiki?

2021-08-08 Thread David Gifford


Hi everyone

I would like to style the tooltip that comes up when hovering over a link. 

I tried a snippet I found online for regular tooltips, but that created a 
second tooltip, so both appear near each other. I would just like to style 
the one for TiddlyWiki links created with the link widget below. I want to 
use it to display short inline hidden notes.

<$link to="." tooltip="this is the tooltip">**

Anyone know the CSS for TW tooltips? I skimmed vanilla base but did not 
find anything.

Thanks in advance, Dave


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Re: [tw5] Re: Voting for the v5.2.0 banner artwork

2021-08-04 Thread David Gifford

Nice! Congratulations Frank!

On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 4:55:09 PM UTC-4 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> I'm delighted to announce that the winner of the v5.2.0 banner artwork 
> competition is Frank B with this design:
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Excising Large Outlines in TW

2021-07-21 Thread David Gifford

I doubt this fully addresses your question, but just so you are aware: my 
new Subsume plugin allows you to excise items as both links and detail 
elements, and thus create an outline in which you can view any number of 
levels from the top level, or "zoom in" to any level using the link. There 
is also a video tutorial. https://giffmex.org/gifts/subsume.html

On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 1:06:42 PM UTC-4 mark.cu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have been using Soren’s Grok TiddlyWiki and his Zettelkasten shell over 
> the last several weeks. Most of this time has been just getting stuff into 
> TW and seeing what happens (or doesn't and trying to figure out why). I 
> have not spent any time creating, connecting, etc.. The product of my work 
> thus far is here.
>
> I have two large outlines (GeneralChemistryACCMOutline and 
> OrganicChemistryACCMOutline) that delineate anchoring concept content maps 
>  for most of the 
> undergraduate chemistry I teach. The hierarchy of these outlines is 
> identical at Level 1 (Big Ideas) and Level 2 (Enduring Understandings) and 
> differ at Level 3 (Subdisciplinary Articulations) and Level 4 (Content 
> Details).
>
> I need to excise these outlines and then add open educational resources 
> (text, links to videos, images, and simulations, exercises, etc.) to the 
> resulting tiddlers.
>
> I am interested in your thoughts on how I might excise these outlines in a 
> (unique?) way that leverages TW’s utility/flexibility as a 
> content-management system considering:
>
>1. The order of Level 1 Big Ideas is consistent with the sequence of 
>instruction.
>2. I would like to somehow leverage TW and the connected, context-free 
>facts derived from these outlines to move away from a reductionist 
> approach 
>to teaching and learning to a systems approach 
> to teaching and 
>learning. 
>3. I do not yet know specifically how I am going to use this resource 
>in a teaching setting.
>4. I am new to TW…
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Mark
>

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[tw5] Please raise my baby (Subsume)

2021-07-21 Thread David Gifford

Hi everyone,

As many of you know, I am a pastor. The few things I have done for
TiddlyWiki have been side projects, cobbled together with what limited
knowledge I have (and with lots of help from all of you, thank you very
much!). And I have undertaken them for my own needs, and shared freely with
others when I thought them helpful. But it has never been my intention to
be a TiddlyWiki developer.

Getting to my main point, I see ways in which my latest project, Subsume,
could be more versatile, but I need to move on and USE Subsume to develop
materials, and channel my energy into other projects and other parts of my
life. If anyone would like to either adopt Subsume or create your own
copycat version and develop it more, please feel free do so. Here are the
items I see that would be valuable:

1. A control panel tab with radials or checkboxes that allow the user to
select to display or hide the link (that is, either display the link as an
asterisk, or display the link as three so it is invisible when
reading and printing, but still accessible.)

2. On the same tab, another way of choosing whether the link opens the
subsumed tiddler in edittemplate or viewtemplate mode.

3. Figure out a way for subsumes to be recognized as backlinks by
TiddlyWiki. They are currently recognized as relink references, but not as
backlinks properly.

4. A way for the details summary of subsumes to display the caption field
of a tiddler first, then the title field if there is no caption (in other
words, they should display titles in the way tabs do).

Again, my goal is to extract myself from the picture and move on, not to
ask for help. I am just identifying possibilities for the future in case
anyone would like to develop this further.

If you do develop something, let me know. Both so I can use it myself, and
so I can redirect people to your souped up version.

Thanks for your consideration!

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[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

2021-07-19 Thread David Gifford

Hi Si

I read this the other day but didn't have time to comment. Now I am done 
getting ready for our trip tomorrow and I have a moment to breathe. My 
thoughts:

1. Fascinating that this is the *opposite* of Evergreen notes, which is all 
the rage now.
2. I think it would make more sense to allow overwriting notes, but take a 
moment to think things through in the moment: might I need this version's 
info later? Like Tones said, a combination approach. There could be 
academic fields or professions where tracking the development of one's 
thoughts is pretty important. But probably most people would feel fine 
adding to or updating a note.
3. It would be interesting to know the personality types (whether using 
Myers-Briggs or OCEAN) that gravitate toward certain notetaking tools. This 
person seems like he could be an OCD type, feeling the need to have all 
information organized thoroughly.
4. The article seems also to be pre-release propaganda for the Idea Flow 
product. Probably best just to evaluate Idea flow when it becomes available 
for preview. Maybe seeing it work will give us an idea on how to implement 
in a useful way.
On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 2:18:48 PM UTC-5 Si wrote:

> I just came across this post: https://thesephist.com/posts/inc/, and it 
> challenges a lot of my own views on effective note-taking practices, so I 
> thought it was worth sharing here.
>
> The author advocates for a kind of chronological system, where as a rule 
> notes are never updated after they are made, meaning that they retain a 
> fixed position in time. It kind of reminded me of Soren's random thoughts: 
> https://randomthoughts.sorenbjornstad.com/
>
> Anyway this approach seems completely counter to my current approach to 
> note-taking, where I want my notes to represent ideas that I am building 
> over time with little regard to where or when they originally came from.
>
> I'm not particularly convinced, but I'm curious if anyone here has any 
> thoughts? Do you see any advantages to this approach? Disadvantages? Do you 
> think it could gel with the zettelkasten philosophy, or are they polar 
> opposites?
>
> Just interested in hearing other peoples thoughts.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Introducing: the Subsume plugin.

2021-07-19 Thread David Gifford

Wow, nice to wake up to find a question and someone already answered it! 
Thanks Brian

On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 1:10:30 AM UTC-5 Sapphireslinger wrote:

> Brian, thank you so much! It works!
>
> On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 10:50:59 AM UTC+8 Brian Radspinner wrote:
>
>> @sapphireslinger give this a try:
>>
>> <$list filter="[collection[foo]sort[title]]">
>> <$macrocall $name=subsume tid=<>/>
>> 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 7:35:56 PM UTC-7 Sapphireslinger wrote:
>>
>>> David, thank you so much for this Subsume plugin. May I ask how to use 
>>> it in a list filter?
>>>
>>> This works:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[collection[foo]sort[title]]">
>>> <$details summary={{!!title}}>
>>> <$transclude field="text" mode="block"/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> This does not work:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[collection[foo]sort[title]]">
>>> <$subsume summary={{!!title}}>
>>> <$transclude field="text" mode="block"/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Nor does this:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[collection[foo]sort[title]]">
>>> <>
>>> 
>>> On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 9:06:23 AM UTC+8 stan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> David, I'm here looking at Control Panel -> Keyboard Shortcuts and I 
>>>> think we are saying the same thing after all.   
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Stan
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 2:38:59 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Stan
>>>>>
>>>>> Walt's screenshot tells me that Streams and Subsume are in separate 
>>>>> sections. Not so much integrated as juxtaposed. 
>>>>> Subsume is edited in edit mode and appears above in view mode.
>>>>> Streams is edited in view mode and appears below in view mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately I don't know anything about keybindings. If you mean 
>>>>> keyboard shortcuts, yes, Control Panel > Keyboard shortcuts, see the last 
>>>>> three items. 
>>>>>
>>>>> *autolist-newline* Add a newline and list markup if in a list Enter 
>>>>>
>>>>> *autolist-indent* Indent a line in a list Tab 
>>>>>
>>>>> *autolist-unindent* Unindent a line in a list shift-Tab 
>>>>>
>>>>> That is most likely the problem! Even so, that is strange, since 
>>>>> Streams and Noteline are in different contexts (view vs edit). Feel free 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> tweak Notelines to your needs, with other keyboard shortcuts or whatnot. 
>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>
>>>>> David Gifford
>>>>> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>>>>>
>>>>> *Resonate Global Mission*
>>>>> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
>>>>> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
>>>>> resonateglobalmission.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 12:08 PM stan...@gmail.com  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My problem seems not to be from the integration of Subsume and 
>>>>>> Streams.  I was using David's Notelines 2 as the base Tiddlywiki and if 
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> add Streams, but not Subsume, I get the same behavior - a  does not 
>>>>>> create a new block.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any event, I used Subsume this weekend to write an article.  How 
>>>>>> nice it was it write modularly, in a manner that made sense and was 
>>>>>> perfectly efficient.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David, do you have any idea what in Notelines 2 might be the 
>>>>>> offending keybinding?
>>>>>> Thanks, in advvance,
>>>>>> Stan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 9:48:45 AM UTC-4 stan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am looking at Walt's posting below and wondering how he got 
>>>>>>> Subsume to work with Streams.   I had a wiki with Streams and added 
>>>>>>> Subsume; when I went to add content using Streams, the carriage return 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>&

Re: [tw5] Re: Introducing: the Subsume plugin.

2021-07-18 Thread David Gifford

Hi Stan

Walt's screenshot tells me that Streams and Subsume are in separate
sections. Not so much integrated as juxtaposed.
Subsume is edited in edit mode and appears above in view mode.
Streams is edited in view mode and appears below in view mode.

Unfortunately I don't know anything about keybindings. If you mean keyboard
shortcuts, yes, Control Panel > Keyboard shortcuts, see the last three
items.

*autolist-newline* Add a newline and list markup if in a list Enter

*autolist-indent* Indent a line in a list Tab

*autolist-unindent* Unindent a line in a list shift-Tab

That is most likely the problem! Even so, that is strange, since Streams
and Noteline are in different contexts (view vs edit). Feel free to tweak
Notelines to your needs, with other keyboard shortcuts or whatnot.
Blessings,

David Gifford
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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 12:08 PM stan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> My problem seems not to be from the integration of Subsume and Streams.  I
> was using David's Notelines 2 as the base Tiddlywiki and if I add Streams,
> but not Subsume, I get the same behavior - a  does not create a new
> block.
>
> In any event, I used Subsume this weekend to write an article.  How nice
> it was it write modularly, in a manner that made sense and was perfectly
> efficient.
>
> David, do you have any idea what in Notelines 2 might be the offending
> keybinding?
> Thanks, in advvance,
> Stan
>
>
> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 9:48:45 AM UTC-4 stan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am looking at Walt's posting below and wondering how he got Subsume to
>> work with Streams.   I had a wiki with Streams and added Subsume; when I
>> went to add content using Streams, the carriage return  would just
>> position the cursor in the next line in the same block, rather than create
>> a new block.  I assume that there is a keybinding that is overwritten
>> somewhere, but I just don't know where to start looking.
>>
>> In any case, my first use of Subsume is a grand success.  I was writing
>> sections of an article and encapsulating then using the extraction tool.
>> Now, if only I could solve the  problem...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stan
>>
>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 11:39:42 AM UTC-4 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
>>> @Dave: see bottom of attached screenshot for the two "References"
>>> widgets.  Yours is folded, but when opened reveals a filter widget, with
>>> list of referenced tids, as you know... While the References table from
>>> Shiraz is partially displayed a bottom.
>>> Does this help?
>>> Also: This also shows what a Streams hierarchy looks like -below the HR
>>> that separates it from the several Subsume widgets above.  That's the best
>>> i can do to answer your up-thread request for a view of my workflow... But,
>>> as described in text of that tiddler, there is no good way at present to
>>> bring a Streams hierarchy into a single tiddler -not without some code
>>> magic that i don't know how to do yet!
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Introducing: the Subsume plugin.

2021-07-18 Thread David Gifford

Thanks for the responses Tones. I am thinking, eventually, a sidebar series
of radials to choose between 4 options:
Open to edit or Open to view, with each of those options having the
additional options of Link as asterisk or Link as whitespace ( x3)

But right now we are getting ready to travel to the US to get vaccinated as
a family, so I have other things to focus on. And again, I want to use it
for a while first. This plugin opens the Adjacent Possible, so I want to
explore what that might be.




On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:43 PM TW Tones  wrote:

>
> David,
>
> Responses in line
>
> Thanks Tones! And I will keep your suggestions in mind for a later
>> version, if I get to that point. I am not sure how flexible the details
>> disclosure element is to including other things. I only recently discovered
>> that one could put links in them.
>>
>
> I have become somewhat of a master with the html details tag in
> tiddlywiki, so do ask if you are interested some quick tips;
>
>- you can place wiki text inside the summary tags to provide more
>information of the contents, eg it may contain a list but you could
>indicate the number of items with count of items {{{ filter..count[]] }}}
>
>
>
>>
>> Also, I am not possessive, so if anyone sees a way to tweak the plugin
>> and present their adaptation as their own, regarding your suggestion or
>> others that might arise, I will be flattered, and relieved to not have to
>> do it myself.
>>
>
> Understood, a healthy way, and my view as well. Thank you.
>
>
>>
>> I think I want to play with this plugin a few months before I revisit it.
>> It really in a sense represents a new way of writing. Why footnote when you
>> can subsume? Why have appendices at the end when they can be subsumed
>> anywhere in the text? Why add arguments and examples in the text itself,
>> when they can be subsumed as other tiddlers? Why not just write the bare
>> skeleton or overview, and subsume the rest?
>>
>
> I think deeply living a tool is a great way to learn about it and its
> possibilities. They say after the novelty of the new it is wise to exchange
> nuance for the novelty to understand more deeply.  The result is expertise.
> It also makes it easier to ask others for help because it becomes easier to
> ask pertinent questions.
>
>
>>
>> FYI I don't think of the asterisk as only for authors. Readers will want
>> to: a) open a tiddler from a subsume in order to print it,b) open it to
>> grab and share its url, or c) open it because it is too ar indented in a
>> multilevel nest of subsumes, and the text is too squished.
>>
>
> In my view there are readers, writers (authors) and designers. Each may
> have there most desirable settings. We are often one of more of these at a
> time.  I try to understand the different requirements and when it has value
> permit different uses. In the long run I hope to be cognisant of this with
> everything I build. I raise it hoping people will provide feedback. So
> often when we design something we may have the best insight to the
> possibilities and way to alter the solution to accommodate different uses.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Introducing: the Subsume plugin.

Thanks Tones! And I will keep your suggestions in mind for a later version,
if I get to that point. I am not sure how flexible the details disclosure
element is to including other things. I only recently discovered that one
could put links in them.

Also, I am not possessive, so if anyone sees a way to tweak the plugin and
present their adaptation as their own, regarding your suggestion or others
that might arise, I will be flattered, and relieved to not have to do it
myself.

I think I want to play with this plugin a few months before I revisit it.
It really in a sense represents a new way of writing. Why footnote when you
can subsume? Why have appendices at the end when they can be subsumed
anywhere in the text? Why add arguments and examples in the text itself,
when they can be subsumed as other tiddlers? Why not just write the bare
skeleton or overview, and subsume the rest?

FYI I don't think of the asterisk as only for authors. Readers will want
to: a) open a tiddler from a subsume in order to print it,b) open it to
grab and share its url, or c) open it because it is too ar indented in a
multilevel nest of subsumes, and the text is too squished.

But I understand what you mean. While the asterisks, in my opinion, aren't
distracting, there is value in reading the text without them. Blessings.

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 7:02 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> David,
>
> Thanks for publishing this. Nice, functional and specific and reminds us
> of the transclude to macro which is easy to forget.
>
> The only suggestion I would make for a future version is to set a tiddler
> $:/config/author-mode to yes and only display the Asterix link (to
> view/edit) if it is yes. Otherwise this can be hidden once publishing.
> Alternatively this will "open the tiddler if clicked out of author mode"
> and "open it for edit in the author mode".
>
> Also I believe there may be a way to wrap a group of subsumes, or set a
> tiddler field (class) so they are not double spaced but still live in
> different lines in the edit mode.
>
> Love your work
> Tones
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 17 July 2021 at 09:33:23 UTC+10 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> For a while it seemed the problems would never end. But with the help of
>> a lot of people, the Subsume plugin has finally landed.
>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/subsume.html
>>
>> Subsumes are a combination of links and sliders in one macro, so that you
>> can either open a link to a subsumed tiddler or open a slider to view its
>> contents without losing your place in the host tiddler.
>>
>> Subsumes can be nested, so this plugin is also a way to do outlining in
>> TiddlyWiki similar to Dynalist and Workflowy. Includes an editor toolbar,
>> relinking of subsumes, excising as subsumes, and, with an addon,
>> autocompletion as subsumes.
>>
>> See the new video tutorial at the demo site. A big thanks to snowgoon88
>> and flibbles for their plugins, and to everyone who helped me out with
>> previous versions (hideme, det) and now subsume
>>
>> Feedback welcome and appreciated!
>>
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[tw5] Re: Announcing Editor-Autolist-Markdown

Added this to the Toolmap!

On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:13:15 PM UTC-5 jason...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all, I have been learning about TW5 and making increasing use of it 
> over the past ~9 months. It is an incredible tool with a great ecosystem of 
> support, so as I begin to make some customizations I wanted to share these 
> back for the community.
>
> I have put together a plugin based on Saq's excellent editor-autolist. I 
> primarily use markdown for my notes so I have adapted it for markdown lists.
>
> I have used bullet lists pretty extensively in the MS ecosystem in my 
> work, so in addition to the list indent and continuation, I added features 
> to indent/unindent multiple lines, and to move list sections up or down.
>
> Please check out the GH repo 
>  and the hosted 
> plugin . This is 
> the initial release so I welcome your feedback and suggestions for 
> improvement!
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Re: [tw5] Re: Introducing: the Subsume plugin.

Ah, now I see what happened. The backlinks tiddler you mentioned lists 
relink backreferences. Subsume, like hideme, grabs those.

Mystery solved. And my previous post is still true, you will not have that 
problem again unless you re-tag that backlinks tiddler with 
$:/tags/ViewTemplate

On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 11:24:13 AM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi Walt, 
>
> 1. That tiddler is not part of Subsume. I will investigate to see if there 
> is a reason it kicked in when you imported Subsume. My guess is that it was 
> a coincidence.
> 2. Updating Subsume will not affect it now that you have removed the tag 
> $:/tags/ViewTemplate.
> 3. The hidemebacklinks tag will not affect anything. That tag was only so 
> you could drag the hideme tiddlers to your file.
>
> So you should be all set!
>
> David Gifford
> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>
> *Resonate Global Mission*
> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
> resonateglobalmission.org
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 11:16 AM ludwa6  wrote:
>
>> Yes @Dave: it was $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/Backlinks ... So i removed the 
>> tag $:/tags/ViewTemplate from it, and problem is solved -for now.  Is it 
>> going to reappear if/whenever i update the Subsume plugin?
>> NB: it also has the tag "hidemebacklinks" on it, which i have left, not 
>> knowing if that's a problem or not.  ?
>>
>> /walt
>>
>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 4:46:52 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Walt
>>>
>>> Solution, hopefully: 
>>> 1. Go to Advanced search > Filter tab. 
>>> 2. Paste [tag[$:/tags/ViewTemplate]]
>>> 3. Tell me what you see there (so I can figure out how that showed up 
>>> once you added subsume)
>>> 4. Open the one(s) that is giffmex, and untag it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:39 AM ludwa6  wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Dave: see bottom of attached screenshot for the two "References" 
>>>> widgets.  Yours is folded, but when opened reveals a filter widget, with 
>>>> list of referenced tids, as you know... While the References table from 
>>>> Shiraz is partially displayed a bottom. 
>>>> Does this help?  
>>>> Also: This also shows what a Streams hierarchy looks like -below the HR 
>>>> that separates it from the several Subsume widgets above.  That's the best 
>>>> i can do to answer your up-thread request for a view of my workflow... 
>>>> But, 
>>>> as described in text of that tiddler, there is no good way at present to 
>>>> bring a Streams hierarchy into a single tiddler -not without some code 
>>>> magic that i don't know how to do yet!
>>>>
>>>> [image: SeeTwReferencesConflictAtBottom.jpeg]
>>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 3:49:21 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Walt, I meant which tiddlers do you personally have tagged as 
>>>>> $:/tags/ViewTemplate. From your link I see it is the Kookma one, as you 
>>>>> said. But I am not seeing the References dropdown you refer to, except 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> one that opens the Kookma table. Can you show me what the problem looks 
>>>>> like, and I will see what is causing it?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 9:30:52 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK @Dave -but, as you can see here 
>>>>>> <https://tiddlystreams.github.io/#ViewTemplateConflict>, it's a 
>>>>>> pretty long list i got by searching all System tiddlers for string 
>>>>>> "viewtemplate"... Even longer when i add all Shadow tiddlers with that 
>>>>>> string!  
>>>>>> NB: That TiddlyStreams wiki linked above does not have the problem; 
>>>>>> this is a ported-over list from my "mother" instance in TiddlyDesktop. 
>>>>>> Can you identify some potential conflict(s) in that list?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /walt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 2:50:26 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Walt, This seems a bit different. I think the relevant tiddler is 
>>>>>>> $:/plugins/flibbles/relink/ui/TiddlerInfo/References . But it is 
>>>>>>> not a viewtemplate tiddler, and I deliberately avoided adding a view 
>>>>>>> template t

Re: [tw5] Re: Introducing: the Subsume plugin.

Hi Walt,

1. That tiddler is not part of Subsume. I will investigate to see if there
is a reason it kicked in when you imported Subsume. My guess is that it was
a coincidence.
2. Updating Subsume will not affect it now that you have removed the tag
$:/tags/ViewTemplate.
3. The hidemebacklinks tag will not affect anything. That tag was only so
you could drag the hideme tiddlers to your file.

So you should be all set!

David Gifford
Mexico team leader, Mexico City

*Resonate Global Mission*
*Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
resonateglobalmission.org



On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 11:16 AM ludwa6  wrote:

> Yes @Dave: it was $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/Backlinks ... So i removed the
> tag $:/tags/ViewTemplate from it, and problem is solved -for now.  Is it
> going to reappear if/whenever i update the Subsume plugin?
> NB: it also has the tag "hidemebacklinks" on it, which i have left, not
> knowing if that's a problem or not.  ?
>
> /walt
>
> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 4:46:52 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi Walt
>>
>> Solution, hopefully:
>> 1. Go to Advanced search > Filter tab.
>> 2. Paste [tag[$:/tags/ViewTemplate]]
>> 3. Tell me what you see there (so I can figure out how that showed up
>> once you added subsume)
>> 4. Open the one(s) that is giffmex, and untag it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:39 AM ludwa6  wrote:
>>
>>> @Dave: see bottom of attached screenshot for the two "References"
>>> widgets.  Yours is folded, but when opened reveals a filter widget, with
>>> list of referenced tids, as you know... While the References table from
>>> Shiraz is partially displayed a bottom.
>>> Does this help?
>>> Also: This also shows what a Streams hierarchy looks like -below the HR
>>> that separates it from the several Subsume widgets above.  That's the best
>>> i can do to answer your up-thread request for a view of my workflow... But,
>>> as described in text of that tiddler, there is no good way at present to
>>> bring a Streams hierarchy into a single tiddler -not without some code
>>> magic that i don't know how to do yet!
>>>
>>> [image: SeeTwReferencesConflictAtBottom.jpeg]
>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 3:49:21 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Walt, I meant which tiddlers do you personally have tagged as
>>>> $:/tags/ViewTemplate. From your link I see it is the Kookma one, as you
>>>> said. But I am not seeing the References dropdown you refer to, except the
>>>> one that opens the Kookma table. Can you show me what the problem looks
>>>> like, and I will see what is causing it?
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 9:30:52 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OK @Dave -but, as you can see here
>>>>> <https://tiddlystreams.github.io/#ViewTemplateConflict>, it's a
>>>>> pretty long list i got by searching all System tiddlers for string
>>>>> "viewtemplate"... Even longer when i add all Shadow tiddlers with that
>>>>> string!
>>>>> NB: That TiddlyStreams wiki linked above does not have the problem;
>>>>> this is a ported-over list from my "mother" instance in TiddlyDesktop.
>>>>> Can you identify some potential conflict(s) in that list?
>>>>>
>>>>> /walt
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 2:50:26 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Walt, This seems a bit different. I think the relevant tiddler is
>>>>>> $:/plugins/flibbles/relink/ui/TiddlerInfo/References . But it is not
>>>>>> a viewtemplate tiddler, and I deliberately avoided adding a view template
>>>>>> tiddler. It should only affect a tab in info. Can you tell me what you 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> as your viewtemplate tiddler(s)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 8:14:16 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Further to my last @Dave, i do have one little gripe:  after
>>>>>>> installation of Subsume plugin, a "References" dropdown appeared 
>>>>>>> -redundant
>>>>>>> in my case, since i use the Shiraz plugin for its "References" table- 
>>>>>>> and i
>>>>>>> can't make it go away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This gave me a sense of deja-v

[tw5] Re: Introducing: the Subsume plugin.

Hi Walt, I meant which tiddlers do you personally have tagged as 
$:/tags/ViewTemplate. From your link I see it is the Kookma one, as you 
said. But I am not seeing the References dropdown you refer to, except the 
one that opens the Kookma table. Can you show me what the problem looks 
like, and I will see what is causing it?

On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 9:30:52 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:

> OK @Dave -but, as you can see here 
> <https://tiddlystreams.github.io/#ViewTemplateConflict>, it's a pretty 
> long list i got by searching all System tiddlers for string 
> "viewtemplate"... Even longer when i add all Shadow tiddlers with that 
> string!  
> NB: That TiddlyStreams wiki linked above does not have the problem; this 
> is a ported-over list from my "mother" instance in TiddlyDesktop. 
> Can you identify some potential conflict(s) in that list?
>
> /walt
>
> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 2:50:26 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi Walt, This seems a bit different. I think the relevant tiddler is $:/
>> plugins/flibbles/relink/ui/TiddlerInfo/References . But it is not a 
>> viewtemplate tiddler, and I deliberately avoided adding a view template 
>> tiddler. It should only affect a tab in info. Can you tell me what you have 
>> as your viewtemplate tiddler(s)?
>>
>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 8:14:16 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
>>> Further to my last @Dave, i do have one little gripe:  after 
>>> installation of Subsume plugin, a "References" dropdown appeared -redundant 
>>> in my case, since i use the Shiraz plugin for its "References" table- and i 
>>> can't make it go away. 
>>>
>>> This gave me a sense of deja-vu, like maybe we had this problem 
>>> before... And indeed, following my report of same issue w/r/t 
>>> "hidemebacklinks" pill, you posted this fix 
>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/LPOIaGiXiPY/m/thOxgp1iAgAJ>, 
>>> which worked in that case... But it didn't work this time. 
>>>
>>> Anything you can suggest in this case, Dave?
>>>
>>> /walt
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 12:33:23 AM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>
>>>> For a while it seemed the problems would never end. But with the help 
>>>> of a lot of people, the Subsume plugin has finally landed. 
>>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/subsume.html
>>>>
>>>> Subsumes are a combination of links and sliders in one macro, so that 
>>>> you can either open a link to a subsumed tiddler or open a slider to view 
>>>> its contents without losing your place in the host tiddler. 
>>>>
>>>> Subsumes can be nested, so this plugin is also a way to do outlining in 
>>>> TiddlyWiki similar to Dynalist and Workflowy. Includes an editor toolbar, 
>>>> relinking of subsumes, excising as subsumes, and, with an addon, 
>>>> autocompletion as subsumes.
>>>>
>>>> See the new video tutorial at the demo site. A big thanks to snowgoon88 
>>>> and flibbles for their plugins, and to everyone who helped me out with 
>>>> previous versions (hideme, det) and now subsume
>>>>
>>>> Feedback welcome and appreciated!
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Introducing: the Subsume plugin.

Hi Walt, This seems a bit different. I think the relevant tiddler is $:/
plugins/flibbles/relink/ui/TiddlerInfo/References . But it is not a 
viewtemplate tiddler, and I deliberately avoided adding a view template 
tiddler. It should only affect a tab in info. Can you tell me what you have 
as your viewtemplate tiddler(s)?

On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 8:14:16 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:

> Further to my last @Dave, i do have one little gripe:  after installation 
> of Subsume plugin, a "References" dropdown appeared -redundant in my case, 
> since i use the Shiraz plugin for its "References" table- and i can't make 
> it go away. 
>
> This gave me a sense of deja-vu, like maybe we had this problem before... 
> And indeed, following my report of same issue w/r/t "hidemebacklinks" pill, 
> you 
> posted this fix 
> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/LPOIaGiXiPY/m/thOxgp1iAgAJ>, 
> which worked in that case... But it didn't work this time. 
>
> Anything you can suggest in this case, Dave?
>
> /walt
>
>
> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 12:33:23 AM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> For a while it seemed the problems would never end. But with the help of 
>> a lot of people, the Subsume plugin has finally landed. 
>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/subsume.html
>>
>> Subsumes are a combination of links and sliders in one macro, so that you 
>> can either open a link to a subsumed tiddler or open a slider to view its 
>> contents without losing your place in the host tiddler. 
>>
>> Subsumes can be nested, so this plugin is also a way to do outlining in 
>> TiddlyWiki similar to Dynalist and Workflowy. Includes an editor toolbar, 
>> relinking of subsumes, excising as subsumes, and, with an addon, 
>> autocompletion as subsumes.
>>
>> See the new video tutorial at the demo site. A big thanks to snowgoon88 
>> and flibbles for their plugins, and to everyone who helped me out with 
>> previous versions (hideme, det) and now subsume
>>
>> Feedback welcome and appreciated!
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Introducing: the Subsume plugin.

Thanks Walt. Not being a user of Streams, I am wondering if you can share a
file or screenshot of how you integrate the two.




On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 7:47 AM ludwa6  wrote:

> Just what the MD ordered, @Dave!  Just an hour into using this plugin, i
> am finding it makes a great complement to my TiddlyStreams workflow
> <https://tiddlystreams.github.io/#AgileNoteTaking>, as the final step in
> process of turning a Stream's hierarchy of nodes into a hierarchy of
> tiddlers...
>
> Moreover:  it looks as though
> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/-xTFWPwzq6g/m/x4dTcZQkAwAJ>
> @Fred may have solved the problem of "flattening" nodes into a tiddler
> while preserving hieararchial presentation, which could serve as the bridge
> between Streams and Subs.
>
> Seems like that old Chinese wall between worlds of wiki & outlining is
> tumbling down at long last!
>
> /walt
>
>
> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:07:48 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Glad you like it, Frederic, thanks for the encouragement
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 10:22 PM Frédéric Demers 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am a fan; nicely done; probably will become part of my core toolset!
>>> thank you!
>>>
>>> On Friday, 16 July 2021 at 23:07:55 UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Brian
>>>>
>>>> I thought about that. I wasn't sure if Subsume should be thought of
>>>> more for readers / web viewers, who might be confused by the sudden switch
>>>> to edit mode, or for writers, for whom edit mode would be one click less,
>>>> thus more efficient.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 9:14:42 PM UTC-5 Brian Radspinner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I like it! Simple but effective.
>>>>>
>>>>> An option to think about: you could change the asterisk link to
>>>>> instead be a button that opens the tiddler in edit-mode rather than
>>>>> view-mode.It will save a step to go right to editing.
>>>>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 4:33:23 PM UTC-7 David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For a while it seemed the problems would never end. But with the help
>>>>>> of a lot of people, the Subsume plugin has finally landed.
>>>>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/subsume.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subsumes are a combination of links and sliders in one macro, so that
>>>>>> you can either open a link to a subsumed tiddler or open a slider to view
>>>>>> its contents without losing your place in the host tiddler.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subsumes can be nested, so this plugin is also a way to do outlining
>>>>>> in TiddlyWiki similar to Dynalist and Workflowy. Includes an editor
>>>>>> toolbar, relinking of subsumes, excising as subsumes, and, with an addon,
>>>>>> autocompletion as subsumes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See the new video tutorial at the demo site. A big thanks to
>>>>>> snowgoon88 and flibbles for their plugins, and to everyone who helped me
>>>>>> out with previous versions (hideme, det) and now subsume
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feedback welcome and appreciated!
>>>>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Introducing: the Subsume plugin.

Glad you like it, Frederic, thanks for the encouragement




On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 10:22 PM Frédéric Demers 
wrote:

> I am a fan; nicely done; probably will become part of my core toolset!
> thank you!
>
> On Friday, 16 July 2021 at 23:07:55 UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian
>>
>> I thought about that. I wasn't sure if Subsume should be thought of more
>> for readers / web viewers, who might be confused by the sudden switch to
>> edit mode, or for writers, for whom edit mode would be one click less, thus
>> more efficient.
>>
>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 9:14:42 PM UTC-5 Brian Radspinner wrote:
>>
>>> I like it! Simple but effective.
>>>
>>> An option to think about: you could change the asterisk link to instead
>>> be a button that opens the tiddler in edit-mode rather than view-mode.It
>>> will save a step to go right to editing.
>>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 4:33:23 PM UTC-7 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>
>>>> For a while it seemed the problems would never end. But with the help
>>>> of a lot of people, the Subsume plugin has finally landed.
>>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/subsume.html
>>>>
>>>> Subsumes are a combination of links and sliders in one macro, so that
>>>> you can either open a link to a subsumed tiddler or open a slider to view
>>>> its contents without losing your place in the host tiddler.
>>>>
>>>> Subsumes can be nested, so this plugin is also a way to do outlining in
>>>> TiddlyWiki similar to Dynalist and Workflowy. Includes an editor toolbar,
>>>> relinking of subsumes, excising as subsumes, and, with an addon,
>>>> autocompletion as subsumes.
>>>>
>>>> See the new video tutorial at the demo site. A big thanks to snowgoon88
>>>> and flibbles for their plugins, and to everyone who helped me out with
>>>> previous versions (hideme, det) and now subsume
>>>>
>>>> Feedback welcome and appreciated!
>>>>
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[tw5] Re: Introducing: the Subsume plugin.

Hi Brian

I thought about that. I wasn't sure if Subsume should be thought of more 
for readers / web viewers, who might be confused by the sudden switch to 
edit mode, or for writers, for whom edit mode would be one click less, thus 
more efficient.

On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 9:14:42 PM UTC-5 Brian Radspinner wrote:

> I like it! Simple but effective. 
>
> An option to think about: you could change the asterisk link to instead be 
> a button that opens the tiddler in edit-mode rather than view-mode.It will 
> save a step to go right to editing.
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 4:33:23 PM UTC-7 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> For a while it seemed the problems would never end. But with the help of 
>> a lot of people, the Subsume plugin has finally landed. 
>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/subsume.html
>>
>> Subsumes are a combination of links and sliders in one macro, so that you 
>> can either open a link to a subsumed tiddler or open a slider to view its 
>> contents without losing your place in the host tiddler. 
>>
>> Subsumes can be nested, so this plugin is also a way to do outlining in 
>> TiddlyWiki similar to Dynalist and Workflowy. Includes an editor toolbar, 
>> relinking of subsumes, excising as subsumes, and, with an addon, 
>> autocompletion as subsumes.
>>
>> See the new video tutorial at the demo site. A big thanks to snowgoon88 
>> and flibbles for their plugins, and to everyone who helped me out with 
>> previous versions (hideme, det) and now subsume
>>
>> Feedback welcome and appreciated!
>>
>

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[tw5] Introducing: the Subsume plugin.

Hi everyone

For a while it seemed the problems would never end. But with the help of a 
lot of people, the Subsume plugin has finally landed. 
https://giffmex.org/gifts/subsume.html

Subsumes are a combination of links and sliders in one macro, so that you 
can either open a link to a subsumed tiddler or open a slider to view its 
contents without losing your place in the host tiddler. 

Subsumes can be nested, so this plugin is also a way to do outlining in 
TiddlyWiki similar to Dynalist and Workflowy. Includes an editor toolbar, 
relinking of subsumes, excising as subsumes, and, with an addon, 
autocompletion as subsumes.

See the new video tutorial at the demo site. A big thanks to snowgoon88 and 
flibbles for their plugins, and to everyone who helped me out with previous 
versions (hideme, det) and now subsume

Feedback welcome and appreciated!

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[tw5] Re: Plugin packaging question

Ahh okay, never mind that last post. For some reason Relink was disabled. 
Now everything works as it ought.

On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 4:07:16 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> Hmmm. I had that plugin packaged in my plugin. It was there, but was also 
> a shadow tiddler.
>
> Okay, now I deleted Relink, removed it from my plugin, and repackaged my 
> plugin without Relink, then re-installed Relink. But it still doesn't work. 
> I uploaded it to the same link.
>
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 3:05:05 PM UTC-5 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> I am on my phone so this is mostly speculation:
>>
>> Your plugin seems to be depend on Relink, but your wiki doesn't have it 
>> installed.
>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 9:47:44 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe I spoke too soon, Saq. There is no list of any kind in my plugin. 
>>> The subsumes are just macros. And the macros don't display. The macro 
>>> definition is now in a shadow tiddler.
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:39:17 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>> D'oh! Thanks *again* (sigh), Saq! Gotta write that one down as a note 
>>>> to myself in documenting.tw...
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:35:41 PM UTC-5 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Same issue probably: 
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/7EHujx-J1U4/m/7ouJ73ktBAAJ
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 9:01:39 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need to see the problem, the link is 
>>>>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/subsume.html.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 1:53:27 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just packaged the Subsume plugin (slider-and-link combo pointing 
>>>>>>> to tiddler B from tiddler A in one macro). But my system tiddlers are 
>>>>>>> now 
>>>>>>> shadow tiddlers, thanks to the Tinka packaging process, so the subsume 
>>>>>>> macros don't show anything in view mode.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could click each shadow tiddler of the plugin so it would become a 
>>>>>>> system tiddler. But I don't want users to have to do that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a way around this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Plugin packaging question

Hmmm. I had that plugin packaged in my plugin. It was there, but was also a 
shadow tiddler.

Okay, now I deleted Relink, removed it from my plugin, and repackaged my 
plugin without Relink, then re-installed Relink. But it still doesn't work. 
I uploaded it to the same link.

On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 3:05:05 PM UTC-5 Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> I am on my phone so this is mostly speculation:
>
> Your plugin seems to be depend on Relink, but your wiki doesn't have it 
> installed.
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 9:47:44 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Maybe I spoke too soon, Saq. There is no list of any kind in my plugin. 
>> The subsumes are just macros. And the macros don't display. The macro 
>> definition is now in a shadow tiddler.
>>
>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:39:17 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> D'oh! Thanks *again* (sigh), Saq! Gotta write that one down as a note to 
>>> myself in documenting.tw...
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:35:41 PM UTC-5 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Same issue probably: 
>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/7EHujx-J1U4/m/7ouJ73ktBAAJ
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 9:01:39 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you need to see the problem, the link is 
>>>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/subsume.html.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 1:53:27 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just packaged the Subsume plugin (slider-and-link combo pointing to 
>>>>>> tiddler B from tiddler A in one macro). But my system tiddlers are now 
>>>>>> shadow tiddlers, thanks to the Tinka packaging process, so the subsume 
>>>>>> macros don't show anything in view mode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could click each shadow tiddler of the plugin so it would become a 
>>>>>> system tiddler. But I don't want users to have to do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way around this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Plugin packaging question

Maybe I spoke too soon, Saq. There is no list of any kind in my plugin. The 
subsumes are just macros. And the macros don't display. The macro 
definition is now in a shadow tiddler.

On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:39:17 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> D'oh! Thanks *again* (sigh), Saq! Gotta write that one down as a note to 
> myself in documenting.tw...
>
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:35:41 PM UTC-5 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> Same issue probably: 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/7EHujx-J1U4/m/7ouJ73ktBAAJ
>>
>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 9:01:39 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> If you need to see the problem, the link is 
>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/subsume.html.
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 1:53:27 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just packaged the Subsume plugin (slider-and-link combo pointing to 
>>>> tiddler B from tiddler A in one macro). But my system tiddlers are now 
>>>> shadow tiddlers, thanks to the Tinka packaging process, so the subsume 
>>>> macros don't show anything in view mode.
>>>>
>>>> I could click each shadow tiddler of the plugin so it would become a 
>>>> system tiddler. But I don't want users to have to do that.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way around this?
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Plugin packaging question

D'oh! Thanks *again* (sigh), Saq! Gotta write that one down as a note to 
myself in documenting.tw...

On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:35:41 PM UTC-5 Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> Same issue probably: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/7EHujx-J1U4/m/7ouJ73ktBAAJ
>
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 9:01:39 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> If you need to see the problem, the link is 
>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/subsume.html.
>>
>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 1:53:27 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I just packaged the Subsume plugin (slider-and-link combo pointing to 
>>> tiddler B from tiddler A in one macro). But my system tiddlers are now 
>>> shadow tiddlers, thanks to the Tinka packaging process, so the subsume 
>>> macros don't show anything in view mode.
>>>
>>> I could click each shadow tiddler of the plugin so it would become a 
>>> system tiddler. But I don't want users to have to do that.
>>>
>>> Is there a way around this?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Plugin packaging question

If you need to see the problem, the link is 
https://giffmex.org/gifts/subsume.html.

On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 1:53:27 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

>
> I just packaged the Subsume plugin (slider-and-link combo pointing to 
> tiddler B from tiddler A in one macro). But my system tiddlers are now 
> shadow tiddlers, thanks to the Tinka packaging process, so the subsume 
> macros don't show anything in view mode.
>
> I could click each shadow tiddler of the plugin so it would become a 
> system tiddler. But I don't want users to have to do that.
>
> Is there a way around this?
>

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[tw5] Plugin packaging question


I just packaged the Subsume plugin (slider-and-link combo pointing to 
tiddler B from tiddler A in one macro). But my system tiddlers are now 
shadow tiddlers, thanks to the Tinka packaging process, so the subsume 
macros don't show anything in view mode.

I could click each shadow tiddler of the plugin so it would become a system 
tiddler. But I don't want users to have to do that.

Is there a way around this?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Thinking through a plugin and the excise dropdown

2021-07-15 Thread David Gifford

Hi springer

<>
<>

Results in an empty line between the details elements of the two macros.
(in other words "double-spaced")

<$macrocall $name=det tid="Failures of commentaries"/>
<$macrocall $name=det tid="Failures of commentaries"/>

Results in them displaying with no empty line. ("single-spaced")



On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 10:48 AM springer 
wrote:

> David,
>
> I'm playing with using the existing excise button with "macro" option
> (specifying your det macro), and I'm not yet seeing how your complaint
> about extra  tags works. That is, I'm getting results that look just
> like your more baroque macrocalls.
>
> In other words, editing the home outline tiddler at your site, if I replace
>
> <$macrocall $name=det tid="Failures of commentaries"/>
>
> with
>
> <>
>
> I see no difference in how the result displays, either collapsed or
> expanded. Could you clarify what the problem is?
>
> -Springer
>
> On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 9:19:47 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Yesterday I teased a modest macro that has the capability of turning
>> TiddlyWiki into an outliner.
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/gCp5ONBxFXg (first half)
>>
>> I am thinking about packaging it as a plugin called Subsume, but one item
>> seems to call for attention.
>>
>> If I could add this macro as a new option for the excise dropdown, not as
>> a macro but as a macrocall, that would allow users to excise text and turn
>> it into a link/slider in the present tiddler instead of transcluding it or
>> linking it.
>>
>> But two things hold me back:
>> 1. After playing with the excise dropdown tiddler for a while I am still
>> not sure how it works or how to add another dropdown option to it.
>> 2. Even if I knew how to do that, this would mean that my plugin would
>> need to change some core tiddlers. And this would make it un-future-proof.
>>
>> What chance is there of eventually having the excise dropdown be as easy
>> to add options to via tags, as, say, the pagecontrol buttons and sidebar
>> tabs? Maybe my macrocall is not the only way people might want to customize
>> excising.
>>
>> And, does anyone know how to tweak the excise set of tiddlers as it
>> stands so that I could insert a named macrocall of the tiddler instead of a
>> transclusion, macro or link?
>>
>> (In case any of you are wondering, I need macrocall instead of a normal
>> macro to avoid the  that causes extra spacing above and below macros)
>>
>> Blessings, Dave
>>
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[tw5] Re: Implications of "Tag Pollution"

I am no expert. But my experience has been that when I have used large 
numbers of tags the performance slows. 

Here are two of my projects that have some slow down: 

1. https://giffmex.org/gospels.bubbles.html (1600 tiddlers, 1155 tags) very 
slow. I gave up on finishing it because to add tags to each tiddler was 
taking too long. Yet there is no content in most of the text fields. 
2. https://giffmex.org/gifts/dictionaryarticles1.html (17,000 tiddlers, 214 
tags) This one is much better: New tiddler creation, while slow, is still 
tolerable. Even the all tiddlers tab opens fairly fast. Again, no content 
in most text fields. But yes, even at 214 tags this one is slowing down.

Again, I am no expert on the behinds the scenes processes, so it is hard 
for me to interpret what is happening, but I am guessing three things are 
the culprit re performance on files with a lot of tags:
.
1. The use of complicated list filters by tag, and view templates 
displaying those list elements with involved CSS, could slow it down
2. The more sidebar lists are visible they must be rendered. This perhaps 
could affect performance.
3. The tag pills themselves must be rendered with CSS and dropdowns in 
multiple default places, so perhaps that is affecting performance as the 
number grows?

There is the other issue of having to wade through tags to add them. 
And another issue of trying to use one system (tags) to handle multiple 
functions (tags for topic, tags for format, etc, and tags for tracking 
"meta" tiddlers, etc)

I now tend to use links for topics, tags for functionality - adding things 
to, say, the sidebar or pagecontrol buttons, etc, and fields for 
tiddler-specific information I want to track or organize (contact info, etc)

On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 10:29:38 AM UTC-5 Stobot wrote:

> I've seen this come up from time to time on the forums - and Tones 
> mentioned it recently  How to make a more convenient method for selecting 
> tags? (google.com) 
> 
>
> I agree with most of the points of where fields are more useful than tags 
> as you get deeper and deeper into organization, and the methods make sense, 
> but often there's talk about a performance implication that I don't 
> understand, but am hoping to as I'm kind of a performance junkie. 
>
> So my questions are:
> 1. Is the "bad" type of "tag pollution" related to number of unique tags, 
> or number of tiddlers *with* tags? Or both? For example I use my main 
> TiddlyWiki for project organization and most details are in fields, but 
> almost every tiddler is tagged as either a task, project, meeting, etc. So, 
> I have a small number of unique tags, but high number of tagged items.
> 2. What is the source of the associated negative performance impact? I 
> assume it has something to do with indexing - and if so there's probably a 
> speed vs. memory tradeoff. 
>

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[tw5] Re: Thinking through a plugin and the excise dropdown

So that's why I couldn't post a reply, you had just deleted your post! Here 
is what I was replying: 

Hi springer,

1. I don't know if I updated the teaser version, but in the main file I am 
tinkering with, selecting text and clicking the ted button does wrap the 
text.

2. I literally just posted a question about having ted (which I am planning 
to call Subsume) be another option the excise button dropdown. Then saw 
your post.

3. I agree that is cleaner in EDIT to have it be double angle brackets. But 
that forces double spacing, and I think it is much cleaner and flexible in 
VIEW mode to allow users to have them singlespaced. And I doubt Jeremy 
would allow tweaking to macros to eliminate the  that is the culprit 
here. It would not be backwards compatible and could cause all kinds of 
problems. I could have a second button to render it as double angle 
brackets , I suppose. You CAN currently invoke it with  double angle 
brackets by typing it.

Dave

On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 8:29:35 AM UTC-5 springer wrote:

> David,
>
> I'm so sorry to have just replied on your OTHER thread, requesting this 
> very development, before reading this one! I'll go delete that, and put the 
> guts of that message below...
>
> I'm thinking of a variant on "excise selected text into a new tiddler" 
> that could take selected text, port it to a new tiddler (prompting for 
> title, or defaulting to first line), and leave a corresponding details 
> macro neatly in place of where the excised text is? This would be 
> tremendously helpful in editing "overgrown" tiddlers (or paragraph 
> sequences pasted in from elsewhere) and bringing a project closer to the 
> ideal of tiddlers-as-smallest-useful-bits.
>
> For what it's worth, I'm with Saq in hoping to invoke it with < "Component Idea">> -- much better for readability, sharing with newbies, 
> etc., and would hope for the editor button to work that way as well.
>
> I wish I had time to tinker with these things myself so that I could offer 
> tribute in the form of useful work, rather than chiming in as a backseat 
> driver!
>
> -Springer
>
> On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 9:19:47 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Yesterday I teased a modest macro that has the capability of turning 
>> TiddlyWiki into an outliner. 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/gCp5ONBxFXg (first half)
>>
>> I am thinking about packaging it as a plugin called Subsume, but one item 
>> seems to call for attention.
>>
>> If I could add this macro as a new option for the excise dropdown, not as 
>> a macro but as a macrocall, that would allow users to excise text and turn 
>> it into a link/slider in the present tiddler instead of transcluding it or 
>> linking it.
>>
>> But two things hold me back:
>> 1. After playing with the excise dropdown tiddler for a while I am still 
>> not sure how it works or how to add another dropdown option to it.
>> 2. Even if I knew how to do that, this would mean that my plugin would 
>> need to change some core tiddlers. And this would make it un-future-proof.
>>
>> What chance is there of eventually having the excise dropdown be as easy 
>> to add options to via tags, as, say, the pagecontrol buttons and sidebar 
>> tabs? Maybe my macrocall is not the only way people might want to customize 
>> excising.
>>
>> And, does anyone know how to tweak the excise set of tiddlers as it 
>> stands so that I could insert a named macrocall of the tiddler instead of a 
>> transclusion, macro or link?
>>
>> (In case any of you are wondering, I need macrocall instead of a normal 
>> macro to avoid the  that causes extra spacing above and below macros)
>>
>> Blessings, Dave
>>
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[tw5] Re: Thinking through a plugin and the excise dropdown

haha I meant the first half of the Youtube video linked to in that post...

On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 8:19:47 AM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi everyone
>
> Yesterday I teased a modest macro that has the capability of turning 
> TiddlyWiki into an outliner. 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/gCp5ONBxFXg (first half)
>
> I am thinking about packaging it as a plugin called Subsume, but one item 
> seems to call for attention.
>
> If I could add this macro as a new option for the excise dropdown, not as 
> a macro but as a macrocall, that would allow users to excise text and turn 
> it into a link/slider in the present tiddler instead of transcluding it or 
> linking it.
>
> But two things hold me back:
> 1. After playing with the excise dropdown tiddler for a while I am still 
> not sure how it works or how to add another dropdown option to it.
> 2. Even if I knew how to do that, this would mean that my plugin would 
> need to change some core tiddlers. And this would make it un-future-proof.
>
> What chance is there of eventually having the excise dropdown be as easy 
> to add options to via tags, as, say, the pagecontrol buttons and sidebar 
> tabs? Maybe my macrocall is not the only way people might want to customize 
> excising.
>
> And, does anyone know how to tweak the excise set of tiddlers as it stands 
> so that I could insert a named macrocall of the tiddler instead of a 
> transclusion, macro or link?
>
> (In case any of you are wondering, I need macrocall instead of a normal 
> macro to avoid the  that causes extra spacing above and below macros)
>
> Blessings, Dave
>

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[tw5] Thinking through a plugin and the excise dropdown

Hi everyone

Yesterday I teased a modest macro that has the capability of turning
TiddlyWiki into an outliner.
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/gCp5ONBxFXg (first half)

I am thinking about packaging it as a plugin called Subsume, but one item
seems to call for attention.

If I could add this macro as a new option for the excise dropdown, not as a
macro but as a macrocall, that would allow users to excise text and turn it
into a link/slider in the present tiddler instead of transcluding it or
linking it.

But two things hold me back:
1. After playing with the excise dropdown tiddler for a while I am still
not sure how it works or how to add another dropdown option to it.
2. Even if I knew how to do that, this would mean that my plugin would need
to change some core tiddlers. And this would make it un-future-proof.

What chance is there of eventually having the excise dropdown be as easy to
add options to via tags, as, say, the pagecontrol buttons and sidebar tabs?
Maybe my macrocall is not the only way people might want to customize
excising.

And, does anyone know how to tweak the excise set of tiddlers as it stands
so that I could insert a named macrocall of the tiddler instead of a
transclusion, macro or link?

(In case any of you are wondering, I need macrocall instead of a normal
macro to avoid the that causes extra spacing above and below macros)

Blessings, Dave

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Re: [tw5] Re: Teaser of my macros

Tones

Yes, this has been a great learning experience for me, but it also feels 
like my dragging people into the process has resulted in new insights for 
them as well. Very enjoyable to see that happen.

On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 6:14:40 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:

> David,
>
> Thanks, I did not know about that pragma "\relink det tid",
>
> Relink is seriously powerful, 
>
> Tones
>
> On Wednesday, 14 July 2021 at 09:06:41 UTC+10 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones, 
>>
>> The det macro does in fact relink. No need to alter anything for that to 
>> work. There is a line in the macro that makes it work.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 5:58 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> I have not done it yet but relink has comprehensive set of 
>>> customisations and I believe you may be able to name "the det" macro and 
>>> its parameter " tid" to be subject to re-linking.
>>>
>>> If you compile this solution into a JSON or plugin you may be able to 
>>> include this relink definition in your package, perhaps even include the 
>>> relink plugin. 
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 14 July 2021 at 00:14:21 UTC+10 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Saq for giving me another option!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:08 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ouch that is annoying.
>>>>>
>>>>> One workaround would be:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> <>
>>>>> <>
>>>>> <>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 3:52:28 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Saq. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doing it as <> turns it into a , which forces line breaks 
>>>>>> above and below. Doing it as a macrocall lets me have each one on the 
>>>>>> next 
>>>>>> line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 8:46:48 AM UTC-5 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks spiffy. All this time talking about wanting an outliner in TW 
>>>>>>> and you could have written it all along.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <$macrocall $name=det tid="The relationship between the Old and New 
>>>>>>> Testaments"/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> instead of:
>>>>>>> <>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it for the autocomplete support? If so, we might be able to do 
>>>>>>> something about that.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Saq
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 6:08:39 AM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been asking for help a few times, and you all were very 
>>>>>>>> helpful. Here is the end result, shared as a silent video with notes 
>>>>>>>> in the 
>>>>>>>> description.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk7MSQjaiuo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a nutshell, it is a macro I called 'det' that creates a details 
>>>>>>>> element slider + link (asterisk) based on the tiddler title. These can 
>>>>>>>> be 
>>>>>>>> nested kind of like Dynalist, so when you open one detail slider, if 
>>>>>>>> there 
>>>>>>>> are more under that, you can open those sliders as well like a giant 
>>>>>>>> outline. And the links are there to open at any level. I tweaked the 
>>>>>>>> edit-comptext plugin with Saq's help, and so there is a way to 
>>>>>>>> autocomplete 
>>>>>>>> to create a det macrocall around an existing tiddler title.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also uploaded an example file so you can test it out and offer 
>>>>>>>> feedback: https://giffmex.org/experiments/det

Re: [tw5] Re: Teaser of my macros

Hi Tones,

The det macro does in fact relink. No need to alter anything for that to
work. There is a line in the macro that makes it work.




On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 5:58 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> David,
>
> I have not done it yet but relink has comprehensive set of customisations
> and I believe you may be able to name "the det" macro and its parameter "
> tid" to be subject to re-linking.
>
> If you compile this solution into a JSON or plugin you may be able to
> include this relink definition in your package, perhaps even include the
> relink plugin.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Wednesday, 14 July 2021 at 00:14:21 UTC+10 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Thanks Saq for giving me another option!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:08 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>>> Ouch that is annoying.
>>>
>>> One workaround would be:
>>>
>>> 
>>> <>
>>> <>
>>> <>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 3:52:28 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Saq.
>>>>
>>>> Doing it as <> turns it into a , which forces line breaks
>>>> above and below. Doing it as a macrocall lets me have each one on the next
>>>> line.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 8:46:48 AM UTC-5 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looks spiffy. All this time talking about wanting an outliner in TW
>>>>> and you could have written it all along.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why
>>>>>
>>>>> <$macrocall $name=det tid="The relationship between the Old and New
>>>>> Testaments"/>
>>>>>
>>>>> instead of:
>>>>> <>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it for the autocomplete support? If so, we might be able to do
>>>>> something about that.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Saq
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 6:08:39 AM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been asking for help a few times, and you all were very
>>>>>> helpful. Here is the end result, shared as a silent video with notes in 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> description.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk7MSQjaiuo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a nutshell, it is a macro I called 'det' that creates a details
>>>>>> element slider + link (asterisk) based on the tiddler title. These can be
>>>>>> nested kind of like Dynalist, so when you open one detail slider, if 
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> are more under that, you can open those sliders as well like a giant
>>>>>> outline. And the links are there to open at any level. I tweaked the
>>>>>> edit-comptext plugin with Saq's help, and so there is a way to 
>>>>>> autocomplete
>>>>>> to create a det macrocall around an existing tiddler title.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also uploaded an example file so you can test it out and offer
>>>>>> feedback: https://giffmex.org/experiments/det.teaser.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe at some later point when I have used it for a while I will make
>>>>>> it available as a plugin. But for now it is just for inspiration for you
>>>>>> and feedback for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for all of your help! I hope you enjoy it. Blessings, Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: How to? " conflicts with wrap button

Thanks Mario! I only needed " not """, so I deleted the extra "" on each
and it works great!




On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:45 AM PMario  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Try this:
>
> <$action-sendmessage
> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
> $param="wrap-selection"
> prefix='<$macrocall $name=det tid="""'
> suffix='"""/>'
> />
>
> It's possible to cover the parameters in single quotes.
>
> -mario
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Re: [tw5] Re: Teaser of my macros

Thanks Saq for giving me another option!




On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:08 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Ouch that is annoying.
>
> One workaround would be:
>
> 
> <>
> <>
> <>
> 
>
> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 3:52:28 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Thanks Saq.
>>
>> Doing it as <> turns it into a , which forces line breaks above
>> and below. Doing it as a macrocall lets me have each one on the next line.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 8:46:48 AM UTC-5 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>> Looks spiffy. All this time talking about wanting an outliner in TW and
>>> you could have written it all along.
>>>
>>> Why
>>>
>>> <$macrocall $name=det tid="The relationship between the Old and New
>>> Testaments"/>
>>>
>>> instead of:
>>> <>
>>>
>>> Is it for the autocomplete support? If so, we might be able to do
>>> something about that.
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 6:08:39 AM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>
>>>> I have been asking for help a few times, and you all were very helpful.
>>>> Here is the end result, shared as a silent video with notes in the
>>>> description.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk7MSQjaiuo
>>>>
>>>> In a nutshell, it is a macro I called 'det' that creates a details
>>>> element slider + link (asterisk) based on the tiddler title. These can be
>>>> nested kind of like Dynalist, so when you open one detail slider, if there
>>>> are more under that, you can open those sliders as well like a giant
>>>> outline. And the links are there to open at any level. I tweaked the
>>>> edit-comptext plugin with Saq's help, and so there is a way to autocomplete
>>>> to create a det macrocall around an existing tiddler title.
>>>>
>>>> I also uploaded an example file so you can test it out and offer
>>>> feedback: https://giffmex.org/experiments/det.teaser.html
>>>>
>>>> Maybe at some later point when I have used it for a while I will make
>>>> it available as a plugin. But for now it is just for inspiration for you
>>>> and feedback for me.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for all of your help! I hope you enjoy it. Blessings, Dave
>>>>
>>>>
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[tw5] Re: Teaser of my macros

Thanks Saq. 

Doing it as <> turns it into a , which forces line breaks above 
and below. Doing it as a macrocall lets me have each one on the next line.

On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 8:46:48 AM UTC-5 Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> Looks spiffy. All this time talking about wanting an outliner in TW and 
> you could have written it all along.
>
> Why
>
> <$macrocall $name=det tid="The relationship between the Old and New 
> Testaments"/>
>
> instead of:
> <>
>
> Is it for the autocomplete support? If so, we might be able to do 
> something about that.
> Cheers,
>
> Saq
>
> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 6:08:39 AM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I have been asking for help a few times, and you all were very helpful. 
>> Here is the end result, shared as a silent video with notes in the 
>> description.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk7MSQjaiuo
>>
>> In a nutshell, it is a macro I called 'det' that creates a details 
>> element slider + link (asterisk) based on the tiddler title. These can be 
>> nested kind of like Dynalist, so when you open one detail slider, if there 
>> are more under that, you can open those sliders as well like a giant 
>> outline. And the links are there to open at any level. I tweaked the 
>> edit-comptext plugin with Saq's help, and so there is a way to autocomplete 
>> to create a det macrocall around an existing tiddler title.
>>
>> I also uploaded an example file so you can test it out and offer 
>> feedback: https://giffmex.org/experiments/det.teaser.html
>>
>> Maybe at some later point when I have used it for a while I will make it 
>> available as a plugin. But for now it is just for inspiration for you and 
>> feedback for me.
>>
>> Thank you for all of your help! I hope you enjoy it. Blessings, Dave
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Teaser of my macros

Thanks Charlie

Actually, the first line of this tiddler is what causes the det macro to 
relink: 
https://giffmex.org/experiments/det.teaser.html#%24%3A%2F.giffmex%2FMacro%2FDet

On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 8:25:05 AM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> That is quite awesome, David.  I'm a huge fan of the HTML detail element.
>
> Total aside:  I am an even bigger fan of the Relink plugin.  It saves me 
> from, well, me.  Very nice how you've configured Relink to also check your 
> macros whenever you change a tiddler title.
>
> For anybody wondering what the heck I'm referring to:  
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/det.teaser.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fflibbles%2Frelink
>  *(look at the "configuration" tab)*
>
> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 1:08:39 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I have been asking for help a few times, and you all were very helpful. 
>> Here is the end result, shared as a silent video with notes in the 
>> description.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk7MSQjaiuo
>>
>> In a nutshell, it is a macro I called 'det' that creates a details 
>> element slider + link (asterisk) based on the tiddler title. These can be 
>> nested kind of like Dynalist, so when you open one detail slider, if there 
>> are more under that, you can open those sliders as well like a giant 
>> outline. And the links are there to open at any level. I tweaked the 
>> edit-comptext plugin with Saq's help, and so there is a way to autocomplete 
>> to create a det macrocall around an existing tiddler title.
>>
>> I also uploaded an example file so you can test it out and offer 
>> feedback: https://giffmex.org/experiments/det.teaser.html
>>
>> Maybe at some later point when I have used it for a while I will make it 
>> available as a plugin. But for now it is just for inspiration for you and 
>> feedback for me.
>>
>> Thank you for all of your help! I hope you enjoy it. Blessings, Dave
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] How to? " conflicts with wrap button


Hi everyone

I found a new obstacle to my quest to conquer the world! 

I would like the wrap below to have double quotes at the end of the prefix 
and the beginning of the suffix, but it is mistaking it four four double 
quotes . Howdo I work around this?

<$action-sendmessage
$message="tm-edit-text-operation"
$param="wrap-selection"
prefix="""<$macrocall $name=det tid="""
suffix="""/>"""
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[tw5] Teaser of my macros

2021-07-12 Thread David Gifford

Hi everyone

I have been asking for help a few times, and you all were very helpful. 
Here is the end result, shared as a silent video with notes in the 
description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk7MSQjaiuo

In a nutshell, it is a macro I called 'det' that creates a details element 
slider + link (asterisk) based on the tiddler title. These can be nested 
kind of like Dynalist, so when you open one detail slider, if there are 
more under that, you can open those sliders as well like a giant outline. 
And the links are there to open at any level. I tweaked the edit-comptext 
plugin with Saq's help, and so there is a way to autocomplete to create a 
det macrocall around an existing tiddler title.

I also uploaded an example file so you can test it out and offer feedback: 
https://giffmex.org/experiments/det.teaser.html

Maybe at some later point when I have used it for a while I will make it 
available as a plugin. But for now it is just for inspiration for you and 
feedback for me.

Thank you for all of your help! I hope you enjoy it. Blessings, Dave


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Re: [tw5] Re: Adding " in a config that is wrapped in " "

2021-07-12 Thread David Gifford

Thanks Saq! I found your post when I checked my spam filter this morning.
Works great! Commencing world domination as we speak.


On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 7:15 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Try this:
>
> "pattern": "///",
>   "filter": "[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]",
>   "start": "<$macrocall $name=det tid=\"",
>   "end": "\" />"
>
> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 1:50:17 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> My edit to the edit-comptext plugin config tiddler (
>> http://snowgoon88.github.io/TW5-extendedit/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fsnowgoon88%2Fedit-comptext%2Fconfig
>> )
>>
>> Has this:
>>
>> "pattern": "///",
>>   "filter": "[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]",
>>   "start": "<$macrocall $name=det tid=",
>>   "end": " />"
>>
>> I would like to have a " after tid= and another " before /> so that when
>> I hit enter, the tiddler that is autocompleted will be wrapped with the
>> full macrocall. Single quotes aren't an option, because tiddler titles
>> could contain single quotes.
>>
>> What is the secret hack you guys use to sneak those in? Based on the
>> editor toolbar wrap buttons I tried turning " from the code into """, but I
>> destroyed my file. Don't worry, it was a copy, so I didn't lose anything.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can give!
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Inconsistency is so frustrating

2021-07-11 Thread David Gifford

Thanks everyone! Brian's macrocall solution worked great for me. And
everyone has done great at explaining how it works.

Now if I can just get that fix for edit-comptext config (see other thread),
world domination will be within reach!

If anyone wants to see what I am up to, check out
https://giffmex.org/experiments/det.template.html

It is similar to my recent hideme thing with the modal and link, but now as
a detail element with a link, so basically you can read it in a way similar
to Dynalist: outlines within outlines as far as you want, and open a
tiddler at whatever level you want to.

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[tw5] Adding " in a config that is wrapped in " "

2021-07-11 Thread David Gifford

Hi everyone

My edit to the edit-comptext plugin config tiddler (
http://snowgoon88.github.io/TW5-extendedit/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fsnowgoon88%2Fedit-comptext%2Fconfig
)

Has this:

"pattern": "///",
  "filter": "[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]",
  "start": "<$macrocall $name=det tid=",
  "end": " />"

I would like to have a " after tid= and another " before /> so that when I 
hit enter, the tiddler that is autocompleted will be wrapped with the full 
macrocall. Single quotes aren't an option, because tiddler titles could 
contain single quotes.

What is the secret hack you guys use to sneak those in? Based on the editor 
toolbar wrap buttons I tried turning " from the code into """, but I 
destroyed my file. Don't worry, it was a copy, so I didn't lose anything.

Thanks for any help you can give!

Dave

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Re: [tw5] Re: Inconsistency is so frustrating

Very helpful explanation, Charlie, thanks!

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 8:18 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:

> G'day David,
>
> I'm thinking what you're running into is the nature of HTML, and not so
> much the nature of TiddlyWiki.
>
> In HTML, to have the following appear as separate lines, you might have
>
> Line of text
> Line of text
> Line of text
>
> or each line of text wrapped in HTML elements that force  to happen,
> for example:
>
> Line of text
> Line of text
> Line of text
>
> To avoid all of these HTML tags, wikitext from various wikis (I think)
> will take two carriage returns as meaning a line break.  That shelters folk
> from having to deal with HTML tags so they can focus on just the content.
> Wikitext is not WYSIWYG.  WYSIWYG, I'm thinking, would be really messy, or
> have loads of potential for messy.  Having the editor side-by-side with
> preview is a good compromise, I think.
>
> Aside: Often, a bunch of stuff that ought to be displayed on one line,
> there is an advantage of having that long line broken up into different
> lines in the editor, to make editing the long line easier (kind of like
> chunking the elements of that long line of text.
>
> When one does want to get a bit more control formatting, then that control
> comes in via HTML (and/or CSS for some real formatting power.)
>
> Well, I didn't get any training on any of that.  Just my yellow-belt
> understanding from observations.  Food for fodder...
>
> On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 8:27:39 PM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> So if I type
>>
>> Line of text
>> Line of text
>> Line of text
>>
>> It will show in view mode as
>>
>> Line of textLine of textLine of text
>>
>> Unless I separate each line with a second carriage return or a 
>>
>> But if I type
>>
>> <>
>> <>
>> <>
>>
>> it renders as
>>
>> Text of macrocall
>>
>> Text of macrocall2
>>
>> Text of macrocall3
>>
>> Unless I change it to
>>
>>  <> <> <> 
>>
>> In the first example, lines get smooshed together unless I do something
>> unnatural to separate them. In the second example, macro calls get pulled
>> apart from each other unless I smoosh them together in edit mode in a
>> visually unappealing way.
>>
>> What does TiddlyWiki have against single-spacing? Why does it either jam
>> items together or pull them apart? What if I want
>>
>> Text of macrocall
>> Text of macrocall
>> Text of macrocall
>>
>> With no space in between them? But I don't want edit mode to be illegible
>> with macrocalls all piled up on each other?
>>
>> Okay, rant over! Feels good to get that off my chest... :-)
>>
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[tw5] Re: How to make a more convenient method for selecting tags?

Here is an easy way, just a simple stylesheet. 
https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html#Tag%20editor%20dropdown

On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 4:10:15 PM UTC-5 miket...@gmail.com wrote:

> Now the usual view is very inconvenient when you have a lot of tags and 
> need to scroll and scroll down the page. Plus, the selected tags are still 
> on the list and continue to distract.
>
> This raises two questions?
>
> 1. How can I make the selection of tags more compact so that I don't have 
> to scroll down the page?
>
> 2. And how to mark tags that are already assigned. Ideally remove from the 
> list, but it's probably difficult. Maybe you can at least change the color 
> to a less noticeable?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Nice option with checkboxes here
> https://i.imgur.com/gxJm0Tw.jpg
> http://zemox.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> But I didn't understand how he did it, I installed his plugins and nothing 
> changed.

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[tw5] Inconsistency is so frustrating


So if I type

Line of text
Line of text
Line of text

It will show in view mode as

Line of textLine of textLine of text 

Unless I separate each line with a second carriage return or a 

But if I type

<>
<>
<> 

it renders as 

Text of macrocall

Text of macrocall2 

Text of macrocall3 

Unless I change it to 

 <> <> <> 

In the first example, lines get smooshed together unless I do something 
unnatural to separate them. In the second example, macro calls get pulled 
apart from each other unless I smoosh them together in edit mode in a 
visually unappealing way. 

What does TiddlyWiki have against single-spacing? Why does it either jam 
items together or pull them apart? What if I want 

Text of macrocall 
Text of macrocall 
Text of macrocall 

With no space in between them? But I don't want edit mode to be illegible 
with macrocalls all piled up on each other?

Okay, rant over! Feels good to get that off my chest... :-)

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[tw5] Re: First edition of Grok TiddlyWiki (TW textbook) is live

Hi Soren, I am enjoying the Grok! One possible fix: the Miscellaneous 
Widgets > $radio example doesn't seem to work.

On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 4:28:07 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Ciao Soren
>
> This is an updated comment. Your Grok is *very good*. I learned a lot 
> from it. 
>
> Basically I think it is a go-to resource/reference for learning TW-ese.
>
> I have one REQUEST. *Could you include an SVG of this fish icon?* which 
> is  currently only a bitmap ...
>
> [image: Screenshot 2021-07-10 112257.jpg]
>
> WHY? Because if I had it I'd use an SVG version in nice  links to 
> direct readers to precise places your wiki.
>
> Very best wishes
> TT
>
>
> On Sunday, 16 May 2021 at 16:43:44 UTC+2 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> I'm excited to announce that the first public edition of my TiddlyWiki 
>> textbook, *Grok TiddlyWiki*, is live at https://groktiddlywiki.com/read. 
>> *Grok 
>> TiddlyWiki* is (from the book) “a textbook that helps you build a deep, 
>> lasting understanding of and proficiency with TiddlyWiki through a 
>> combination of detailed explanations, practical exercises, 
>> and spaced-repetition reviews of prompts called *takeaways*.”
>>
>> I am hoping this book will fill in many of the gaps in TiddlyWiki's 
>> documentation / learning ecosystem – right now we have lots of beginner 
>> tutorials, and mostly good documentation for experts (with a few gaps), but 
>> almost nothing for people in between. GTW is what I wished I had when I was 
>> in that position: complete lessons on the features and idioms of TiddlyWiki 
>> needed to bring someone from beginner to expert.
>>
>> The book is free to read and CC BY-NC-ND licensed (you can redistribute 
>> it for noncommercial purposes). I am accepting donations 
>>  to support my continued work on GTW 
>> and other TiddlyWiki learning resources. I would also appreciate your help 
>> spreading the word about the book, e.g., on TW links sites, notes-related 
>> resources, or social media.
>>
>> A huge thanks to everyone from this community who provided feedback on 
>> the prerelease (see the acknowledgments section for details). Barring me 
>> getting run over by a bus, there will be updated editions in the future, so 
>> please keep the feedback and suggestions coming.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: New entries to documenting.tw (July 7 2021)

2021-07-08 Thread David Gifford

Yes that's a good idea, Tones.

On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 10:42:12 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:

> David,
>
> Once again thanks for sharing.
>  
> It is interesting to note large tiddlers take longer for the gradient to 
> transition which has the effect of "organically" indicating longer tiddlers 
> even before scrolling.
>
> Your hide me macro is cute. Here is an option for you. Since when reading 
> the text, not in the process of authoring content, you may want to hide the 
> icons. Perhaps you can do what I do.
>
> I have a tiddler $:/config/author-mode containing yes ort no, and a check 
> box to toggle it. Inside your macro you can have a section in side a list 
> with the filter "[{ $:/config/author-mode}match[yes]]" such that if it 
> matches no the icons remain hidden.
>
> Its nice to build this into multiple macros such that a single switch 
> changes the output. I commonly use designer-mode, author-mode and 
> debug-mode. The thing is at the time you are writing you macro it is easy 
> to identify what you would like to show in what mode.
>
> Adopting such de facto standards are a good habit and introduces optional 
> applications of features.
>
> Regards
> Tones 
>
> On Thursday, 8 July 2021 at 00:29:29 UTC+10 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I updated my "documenting TW" tutorial file today with the following 
>> entries
>>
>> Custom ways to view results in lists 
>> <https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html#Custom%20ways%20of%20viewing%20results%20in%20lists>
>> hideme macro (easy way to view and open hidden content) 
>> <https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html#hideme%20macro%20(easy%20way%20to%20view%20and%20open%20hidden%20content)>
>> Colored and gradient backgrounds for tiddlers 
>> <https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html#Colored%20and%20gradient%20backgrounds%20for%20tiddlers>
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz list-content (experimental)

@Mohammad: oh okay, I thought maybe you created something separate from 
List-search. Of course we won't be able to play with it until you give us a 
link. I mean, of course a permalink to that type of search that displays 
results as entire tiddlers...

On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 10:22:34 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi David,
>
>  I think there is no list-content in Shiraz! It is actually list-search 
> inspired from original list-search by Tobias Beers
>  See: https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/Q34LKMeqZFI/m/grAXRbx6AgAJ
>  
> Yes, this is a great feature and has many use cases. I have used other 
> searchboxes in combination with dynamic tables, FAQ, 
>
> Your ideas are great! and I hope Mark or other interested people implement 
> them.
> Thank you for sharing!
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 5:49 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I have been using the list-search macro for years. Mohammad, this is a 
>> nice similar implementation!
>>
>> Comments:
>>
>> 1. This would also be doable with the List-search macro but with a custom 
>> ListItemTemplate. In case anyone is really invested in the List-search 
>> macro.
>> 2. I have two related ideas. Whether for Mohammad as original poster, or 
>> Mark who says he is working on a related project. Or anyonle else who is 
>> listening in.
>>
>> 2a. Imagine if there were a way, either in list-search macro, Mohammad's 
>> list-content, or some other related project, to click on a radio button to 
>> choose between different views (different custom ListItemTemplates) . 
>> Similar to the options for viewing lists in Stroll, but for a filterable 
>> list.
>>
>> 2b. Imagine if there were a way to click on a radio button to choose what 
>> field to filter by. The list-search macro is limited to filtering by one 
>> field. If you want to change it, you have to open the macro and change it.
>>
>> I throw these ideas out there since you guys are playing with this. It 
>> would be nice to have these two kinds of customizability in filterable 
>> lists. Maybe hidden under a slider so it doesn't look too messy.
>>
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:14:28 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Shiraz has a list-search which is very handy and list filtered tiddlers 
>>> with a search box lets you search in results!
>>> Shiraz has a lot of features that lets you create new tools with more 
>>> ease!
>>>
>>> I have implemented another list macro called list-content! BUT I'm not 
>>> sure if it has already been published (introduced) by another 
>>> user/developer!
>>>
>>> The list-content is actually a search box, but instead of displaying 
>>> titles, it displays the tiddler with its content!
>>>
>>> As soon as it find any results it shows
>>>
>>> 1. each result as a Card
>>> 2. The resulting tiddler is displayed with title, subtitle, tags and text
>>> 3. It is possible to have multi column result or truncate the text and 
>>> show part of text
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
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[tw5] New entries to documenting.tw (July 7 2021)


Hi everyone

I updated my "documenting TW" tutorial file today with the following entries

Custom ways to view results in lists 

hideme macro (easy way to view and open hidden content) 

Colored and gradient backgrounds for tiddlers 


Enjoy!

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[tw5] Re: Shiraz list-content (experimental)

Hi everyone

I have been using the list-search macro for years. Mohammad, this is a nice 
similar implementation!

Comments:

1. This would also be doable with the List-search macro but with a custom 
ListItemTemplate. In case anyone is really invested in the List-search 
macro.
2. I have two related ideas. Whether for Mohammad as original poster, or 
Mark who says he is working on a related project. Or anyonle else who is 
listening in.

2a. Imagine if there were a way, either in list-search macro, Mohammad's 
list-content, or some other related project, to click on a radio button to 
choose between different views (different custom ListItemTemplates) . 
Similar to the options for viewing lists in Stroll, but for a filterable 
list.

2b. Imagine if there were a way to click on a radio button to choose what 
field to filter by. The list-search macro is limited to filtering by one 
field. If you want to change it, you have to open the macro and change it.

I throw these ideas out there since you guys are playing with this. It 
would be nice to have these two kinds of customizability in filterable 
lists. Maybe hidden under a slider so it doesn't look too messy.

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:14:28 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Shiraz has a list-search which is very handy and list filtered tiddlers 
> with a search box lets you search in results!
> Shiraz has a lot of features that lets you create new tools with more ease!
>
> I have implemented another list macro called list-content! BUT I'm not 
> sure if it has already been published (introduced) by another 
> user/developer!
>
> The list-content is actually a search box, but instead of displaying 
> titles, it displays the tiddler with its content!
>
> As soon as it find any results it shows
>
> 1. each result as a Card
> 2. The resulting tiddler is displayed with title, subtitle, tags and text
> 3. It is possible to have multi column result or truncate the text and 
> show part of text
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Does Relink add a new filter operator?