[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[springer]

Birthe, I really appreciate your continued help. 

Alas, on either browser (FF or Chrome), using either of the top 2 twcloud 
links, the process is held up at the point of loading my dropbox. 

If it's just me, there must be something about my dropbox (perhaps how many 
files, or their size, or the length of filenames, or use of characters 
can't be parsed by twcloud)? 

I'm curious whether other mac users have trouble, since MacOS does tend to 
be more lenient with filenames. If I were sure of the diagnosis, I might 
spend the time required to dive in and clean up, but not if it's just a 
guess...

I'm not sure how much time to pour into troubleshooting, but I'll stay 
tuned in case anyone has ideas. 
[image: tw-dropbox-problem.jpg]

On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 6:04:46 PM UTC-4 strikke...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Springer,
>
> Did you try to select the dropbox link...the newer one. It is described as 
> only working on Chrome, but I found that it also worked for me on Firefox.
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Birthe C]

Springer,

Did you try to select the dropbox link...the newer one. It is described as 
only working on Chrome, but I found that it also worked for me on Firefox.

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[springer]

Birthe, thanks for clarifying that the access should be *through* the 
"TiddlyWiki5 in the Sky" page (so, not analogous to TiddlyDrive's process). 
So, there must be something that's supposed to resolve (and that does 
resolve for you), where I'm getting stuck on the the "Loading..." message.
Thanks for the follow-up!
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 5:22:59 PM UTC-4 strikke... wrote:

> Springer,
>
> To be sure, I just tested https://twcloud.github.io/
> again clicking the link tw5-dropbox it opens the page TiddlyWiki5 in the 
> Sky using Dropbox, I selected full dropbox acces, logged in and got a 
> overview of my files. The TW files i can open are marked with yellow 
> background. I click the file I want and it opens, I can edit and save it
>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Birthe C]

Springer,

To be sure, I just tested https://twcloud.github.io/
again clicking the link tw5-dropbox it opens the page TiddlyWiki5 in the 
Sky using Dropbox, I selected full dropbox acces, logged in and got a 
overview of my files. The TW files i can open are marked with yellow 
background. I click the file I want and it opens, I can edit and save it.

I never went directly to the dropbox site.

I am running on Linux Mint 20 using Firefox 82.02 

I am relieved now, for a minute you got me scared we had lost that 
possibility also. Other than that I am afraid I am not able to help you.


Birthe






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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[springer]

+1 here for "I'd gladly pay for Tiddlyspot!" 

Of course, if there's a pricing structure being hammered out, I'd vote for 
allowing trial interval, and/or up to ??MB worth of TW storage, for free. 

For my own purposes, though, tiddlyspot has been such a game-changer that 
I'd not only pay, but even pay fair "back rent" for the server costs 
associated with my TW 5projects. (This is saying a lot, given my own lack 
of disposable income!) The convenience of a url-based, 
password-protectable, auto-backup TW5 system has become something I really 
don't know how to be productive without. 

(As noted a few months back, I've also been lobbying for mountable access 
to a university web server, but IT seems to treat TW5 with suspicion, and 
wants to sell me on some other "approved" platform for my tasks.)

-Springer
On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 12:23:04 PM UTC-4 Alvin wrote:

> What André said about paying a fee.  I concur, although "reasonable" means 
> something different to those of us on a fixed income.
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 11:07:58 AM UTC-5 André Carvalho wrote:
>
>> Thank You Simon and Daniel!
>> I got my data back. And yes, I'll backup more often ;)
>> You have a very nice service with TiddlySpot and I would not mind to pay 
>> a reasonable fee to help maintaining and developing it.
>>
>> Best regards
>> André de Carvalho 
>>
>> PS: Continuing the "not a lawyer..." before I got hooked on software I 
>> did studied Law up to the 4th year in a 5 year course in Coimbra University 
>> ;)
>> The facts are :
>> - that if DreamHost didn't provide Simon and Daniel access to the 
>> DreamObject they would become "Controllers" of the information
>> - the information contains personal data of mine (name, e-mail, personal 
>> thoughts, opinions and facts)
>> - Article 15 ( 
>> https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32016R0679&from=EN#d1e2513-1-1
>>  
>> ) grants me the right of access
>> - the jurisdiction issue is arguable (US company, EU person, EU data, 
>> transnational facts, ...)  Preamble (23) extends controller obligations to 
>> non EU entities
>>
>> I would not say this is the worst case I saw  but in fact I didn't 
>> studied it properly...
>>
>> Just saying... not trying to start any flame here especially with guys 
>> from whom I've already learned a lot.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 4:54:10 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:

 On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>
> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing 
> my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.
>

 In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
 theme...


>>> Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so 
>>> it's likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide "data 
>>> guaranteed" rights.
>>>
>>> Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
>>> They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
>>> into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
>>> page ;-)
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Alvin]

What André said about paying a fee.  I concur, although "reasonable" means 
something different to those of us on a fixed income.

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 11:07:58 AM UTC-5 André Carvalho wrote:

> Thank You Simon and Daniel!
> I got my data back. And yes, I'll backup more often ;)
> You have a very nice service with TiddlySpot and I would not mind to pay a 
> reasonable fee to help maintaining and developing it.
>
> Best regards
> André de Carvalho 
>
> PS: Continuing the "not a lawyer..." before I got hooked on software I did 
> studied Law up to the 4th year in a 5 year course in Coimbra University ;)
> The facts are :
> - that if DreamHost didn't provide Simon and Daniel access to the 
> DreamObject they would become "Controllers" of the information
> - the information contains personal data of mine (name, e-mail, personal 
> thoughts, opinions and facts)
> - Article 15 ( 
> https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32016R0679&from=EN#d1e2513-1-1
>  
> ) grants me the right of access
> - the jurisdiction issue is arguable (US company, EU person, EU data, 
> transnational facts, ...)  Preamble (23) extends controller obligations to 
> non EU entities
>
> I would not say this is the worst case I saw  but in fact I didn't 
> studied it properly...
>
> Just saying... not trying to start any flame here especially with guys 
> from whom I've already learned a lot.
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 4:54:10 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:

 There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing 
 my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.

>>>
>>> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
>>> theme...
>>>
>>>
>> Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so it's 
>> likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide "data 
>> guaranteed" rights.
>>
>> Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
>> They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
>> into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
>> page ;-)
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[André Carvalho]

 Thank You Simon and Daniel!
I got my data back. And yes, I'll backup more often ;)
You have a very nice service with TiddlySpot and I would not mind to pay a 
reasonable fee to help maintaining and developing it.

Best regards
André de Carvalho 

PS: Continuing the "not a lawyer..." before I got hooked on software I did 
studied Law up to the 4th year in a 5 year course in Coimbra University ;)
The facts are :
- that if DreamHost didn't provide Simon and Daniel access to the 
DreamObject they would become "Controllers" of the information
- the information contains personal data of mine (name, e-mail, personal 
thoughts, opinions and facts)
- Article 15 ( 
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32016R0679&from=EN#d1e2513-1-1
 
) grants me the right of access
- the jurisdiction issue is arguable (US company, EU person, EU data, 
transnational facts, ...)  Preamble (23) extends controller obligations to 
non EU entities

I would not say this is the worst case I saw  but in fact I didn't 
studied it properly...

Just saying... not trying to start any flame here especially with guys from 
whom I've already learned a lot.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 4:54:10 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>>>
>>> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing 
>>> my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.
>>>
>>
>> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
>> theme...
>>
>>
> Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so it's 
> likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide "data 
> guaranteed" rights.
>
> Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
> They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
> into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
> page ;-)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Jed Carty]

It isn't ready yet, but my plan is to get the secure server version of Bob 
set up as something like an alternative to tiddlyspot.
There is a lot of work to do before it is ready for public use. My brother 
and I have been using it for Ooktech work for over a year, but we are able 
to set everything up manually.

The main problem is that I need to update the login part and that there 
isn't any UI for adding new accounts or setting up access controls to 
individual wikis.

Another problem is that I have no desire to manage a system like that. I 
think that it would work best as a community project that takes donations 
to cover server costs and maybe paying a person/some people to spend a few 
hours a month doing maintenance.

I don't know if it would fill exactly the same need as tiddlyspot, but it 
could help if there is interest.

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 9:06:44 AM UTC+1 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:54:01 PM UTC-7, AndrewMc wrote:
>>
>> is there an equivalent way to download TW classic (2.x) wikis?
>>
>
> Prior to the recent TiddlySpot crisis, the normal way to download a copy 
> of your TiddlySpot
> was to go to http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com/download
>
> However, the download link is not currently available.
>
> As a work-around:
>
> 1) open your TiddlySpot (e.g., http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com)
> 2) create a new tiddler containing:
> [[click me|http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com]]
> 3) *right click* on the "click me" link that is displayed
> 4) Choose "Save link as..."
> 5) If your browser is set to "always ask where to save", then you can 
> choose a local folder and enter a destination filename
>
> Note that "save link as..." is not the same function as "save as..."
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Eric Shulman]

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:54:01 PM UTC-7, AndrewMc wrote:
>
> is there an equivalent way to download TW classic (2.x) wikis?
>

Prior to the recent TiddlySpot crisis, the normal way to download a copy of 
your TiddlySpot
was to go to http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com/download

However, the download link is not currently available.

As a work-around:

1) open your TiddlySpot (e.g., http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com)
2) create a new tiddler containing:
[[click me|http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com]]
3) *right click* on the "click me" link that is displayed
4) Choose "Save link as..."
5) If your browser is set to "always ask where to save", then you can 
choose a local folder and enter a destination filename

Note that "save link as..." is not the same function as "save as..."

-e

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[AndrewMc]

Eric, is there an equivalent way to download TW classic (2.x) wikis?

Cheers, Andrew Mc

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 8:29:57 PM UTC+13 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 4:08:56 PM UTC-7, FFT wrote:
>>
>> Site is working once again.
>>
>
> Note that TiddlySpot is currently READ-ONLY.
>
> You can access your TiddlySpot site(s), but you cannot save any updates to 
> TiddlySpot.  In addition, neither the download link (e.g. 
> http://mysite.tiddlyspot.com/download) nor the backup directory (e.g. 
> http://mysite.tiddlyspot.com/backup) are available.
>
> To save a local copy of your TiddlySpot site, open the $:/ControlPanel 
> "Saving", "TiddlySpot Saver" tab and clear the Wiki Name and/or Password 
> input.  Then, when you press the save button in the sidebar, it will 
> trigger the TWCore standard "Download Saver" handling.
>
> -e
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[john.edw...@gmail.com]

Glad to get a local copy saved, I was having tiddlyspace flashbacks.  
Thanks to Simon and Daniel Baird for working to get it back to the state to 
allow saving a copy.

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:14:09 PM UTC-4 Surya wrote:

> @TW Tones: Thanks for your tips!
>
> TW Tones schrieb am Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2020 um 01:50:22 UTC+1:
>
>> Surya,
>>
>> Independent from tiddlyspot.
>>
>> If you have a php apache server you can upload and share tiddlywiki's as 
>> simple files. If you want to edit on line you can use tw-receiver.
>>
>> Other use dropbox, one drive etc... I use sharepoint, some use AWS and 
>> there are more.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 28 October 2020 12:27:18 UTC+11, Surya wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi :-)))
>>>
>>> @TW Tones: I know... But I couldn't reply privately to amreus- that 
>>> possibility is grey for me :-(
>>> But he found, how he can contact me :-)
>>>
>>> And, @amreus- it worked :-) I got your adress and replied just now.
>>> So, I am really really happy for now!!
>>>
>>> But after that, is there no other possibility for uploading a TW?? I 
>>> guess not, otherwise someone had written it here already...
>>> Good luck to all!
>>> Surya
>>>
>>> Mark S. schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2020 um 17:54:10 UTC+1:
>>>


 On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>>
>> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of 
>> accessing my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other 
>> solution.
>>
>
> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
> theme...
>
>
 Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so 
 it's likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide 
 "data 
 guaranteed" rights.

 Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
 They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
 into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
 page ;-)



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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

@TW Tones: Thanks for your tips!

TW Tones schrieb am Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2020 um 01:50:22 UTC+1:

> Surya,
>
> Independent from tiddlyspot.
>
> If you have a php apache server you can upload and share tiddlywiki's as 
> simple files. If you want to edit on line you can use tw-receiver.
>
> Other use dropbox, one drive etc... I use sharepoint, some use AWS and 
> there are more.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Wednesday, 28 October 2020 12:27:18 UTC+11, Surya wrote:
>>
>> Hi :-)))
>>
>> @TW Tones: I know... But I couldn't reply privately to amreus- that 
>> possibility is grey for me :-(
>> But he found, how he can contact me :-)
>>
>> And, @amreus- it worked :-) I got your adress and replied just now.
>> So, I am really really happy for now!!
>>
>> But after that, is there no other possibility for uploading a TW?? I 
>> guess not, otherwise someone had written it here already...
>> Good luck to all!
>> Surya
>>
>> Mark S. schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2020 um 17:54:10 UTC+1:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:

 On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>
> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing 
> my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.
>

 In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
 theme...


>>> Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so 
>>> it's likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide "data 
>>> guaranteed" rights.
>>>
>>> Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
>>> They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
>>> into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
>>> page ;-)
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Ste]

Well thats some good news!

On Thursday, 29 October 2020 at 07:29:57 UTC Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 4:08:56 PM UTC-7, FFT wrote:
>>
>> Site is working once again.
>>
>
> Note that TiddlySpot is currently READ-ONLY.
>
> You can access your TiddlySpot site(s), but you cannot save any updates to 
> TiddlySpot.  In addition, neither the download link (e.g. 
> http://mysite.tiddlyspot.com/download) nor the backup directory (e.g. 
> http://mysite.tiddlyspot.com/backup) are available.
>
> To save a local copy of your TiddlySpot site, open the $:/ControlPanel 
> "Saving", "TiddlySpot Saver" tab and clear the Wiki Name and/or Password 
> input.  Then, when you press the save button in the sidebar, it will 
> trigger the TWCore standard "Download Saver" handling.
>
> -e
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Eric Shulman]

On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 4:08:56 PM UTC-7, FFT wrote:
>
> Site is working once again.
>

Note that TiddlySpot is currently READ-ONLY.

You can access your TiddlySpot site(s), but you cannot save any updates to 
TiddlySpot.  In addition, neither the download link (e.g. 
http://mysite.tiddlyspot.com/download) nor the backup directory (e.g. 
http://mysite.tiddlyspot.com/backup) are available.

To save a local copy of your TiddlySpot site, open the $:/ControlPanel 
"Saving", "TiddlySpot Saver" tab and clear the Wiki Name and/or Password 
input.  Then, when you press the save button in the sidebar, it will 
trigger the TWCore standard "Download Saver" handling.

-e


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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[TW Tones]

Surya,

Independent from tiddlyspot.

If you have a php apache server you can upload and share tiddlywiki's as 
simple files. If you want to edit on line you can use tw-receiver.

Other use dropbox, one drive etc... I use sharepoint, some use AWS and 
there are more.

Regards
Tones

Regards
Tones

On Wednesday, 28 October 2020 12:27:18 UTC+11, Surya wrote:
>
> Hi :-)))
>
> @TW Tones: I know... But I couldn't reply privately to amreus- that 
> possibility is grey for me :-(
> But he found, how he can contact me :-)
>
> And, @amreus- it worked :-) I got your adress and replied just now.
> So, I am really really happy for now!!
>
> But after that, is there no other possibility for uploading a TW?? I guess 
> not, otherwise someone had written it here already...
> Good luck to all!
> Surya
>
> Mark S. schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2020 um 17:54:10 UTC+1:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:

 There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing 
 my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.

>>>
>>> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
>>> theme...
>>>
>>>
>> Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so it's 
>> likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide "data 
>> guaranteed" rights.
>>
>> Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
>> They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
>> into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
>> page ;-)
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[FFT]

Site is working once again.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 6:27:18 PM UTC-7 Surya wrote:

> Hi :-)))
>
> @TW Tones: I know... But I couldn't reply privately to amreus- that 
> possibility is grey for me :-(
> But he found, how he can contact me :-)
>
> And, @amreus- it worked :-) I got your adress and replied just now.
> So, I am really really happy for now!!
>
> But after that, is there no other possibility for uploading a TW?? I guess 
> not, otherwise someone had written it here already...
> Good luck to all!
> Surya
>
> Mark S. schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2020 um 17:54:10 UTC+1:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:

 There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing 
 my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.

>>>
>>> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
>>> theme...
>>>
>>>
>> Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so it's 
>> likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide "data 
>> guaranteed" rights.
>>
>> Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
>> They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
>> into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
>> page ;-)
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi :-)))

@TW Tones: I know... But I couldn't reply privately to amreus- that 
possibility is grey for me :-(
But he found, how he can contact me :-)

And, @amreus- it worked :-) I got your adress and replied just now.
So, I am really really happy for now!!

But after that, is there no other possibility for uploading a TW?? I guess 
not, otherwise someone had written it here already...
Good luck to all!
Surya

Mark S. schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2020 um 17:54:10 UTC+1:

>
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>>>
>>> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing 
>>> my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.
>>>
>>
>> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
>> theme...
>>
>>
> Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so it's 
> likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide "data 
> guaranteed" rights.
>
> Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
> They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
> into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
> page ;-)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>>
>> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing my 
>> data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.
>>
>
> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
> theme...
>
>
Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so it's 
likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide "data 
guaranteed" rights.

Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
page ;-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Alvin Orzechowski]

I'm holding my breath.  Thank you to everyone who helped get the files back.

Lesson learned: Backup often. Fortunately I had a backup from July, so I
was able to function.

My brain is flooded with ideas about a followup discussion(s). What do you
think?

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 11:18 AM Mat  wrote:

> Good news update from Simon on the blog !
> Things are not quite solved but it's a huge step in the right direction.
> <:-)
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 4:02:46 PM UTC+1 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>>>
>>> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing
>>> my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.
>>>
>>
>> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet"
>> theme...
>>
>> While you might feel that you have some rights in this situation, there
>> is no binding contract between yourself and DreamHost, and they have no
>> legal obligation to provide *you* with any "right of access" to the data
>> stored on their systems.
>>
>> In contrast, Simon and Daniel Baird *are* the actual "customers of
>> record" in that they are the ones who have paid for the service, and if
>> they were denied access to the data, then they might have a legal cause of
>> action.
>>
>> However... they haven't been *denied* access to the data... it has just
>> been moved to a "DreamObject", which is a DreamHost cloud storage product (
>> https://www.dreamhost.com/cloud/storage/) that  be accessed "utilizing a
>> wide range of applications", as described here:
>>
>>
>> https://www.dreamhost.com/cloud/what-apps-are-compatible-with-dreamobjects/
>>
>> -e
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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Mat]

Good news update from Simon on the blog ! 
Things are not quite solved but it's a huge step in the right direction.
<:-)

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 4:02:46 PM UTC+1 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>>
>> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing my 
>> data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.
>>
>
> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
> theme...
>
> While you might feel that you have some rights in this situation, there is 
> no binding contract between yourself and DreamHost, and they have no legal 
> obligation to provide *you* with any "right of access" to the data stored 
> on their systems.
>
> In contrast, Simon and Daniel Baird *are* the actual "customers of record" 
> in that they are the ones who have paid for the service, and if they were 
> denied access to the data, then they might have a legal cause of action.
>
> However... they haven't been *denied* access to the data... it has just 
> been moved to a "DreamObject", which is a DreamHost cloud storage product (
> https://www.dreamhost.com/cloud/storage/) that  be accessed "utilizing a 
> wide range of applications", as described here:
>
> https://www.dreamhost.com/cloud/what-apps-are-compatible-with-dreamobjects/
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Eric Shulman]

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>
> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing my 
> data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.
>

In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
theme...

While you might feel that you have some rights in this situation, there is 
no binding contract between yourself and DreamHost, and they have no legal 
obligation to provide *you* with any "right of access" to the data stored 
on their systems.

In contrast, Simon and Daniel Baird *are* the actual "customers of record" 
in that they are the ones who have paid for the service, and if they were 
denied access to the data, then they might have a legal cause of action.

However... they haven't been *denied* access to the data... it has just 
been moved to a "DreamObject", which is a DreamHost cloud storage product 
(https://www.dreamhost.com/cloud/storage/) that  be accessed "utilizing a 
wide range of applications", as described here:

https://www.dreamhost.com/cloud/what-apps-are-compatible-with-dreamobjects/

-e

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Mat]

André Carvalho wrote:

> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing my 
> data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.
>

OK. Let's just see what they reply to Simon first. I just noted he 
apparently updated his blogpost (at very end) now stating:

*Update, Oct 25: I have a support ticket open at Dreamhost to request 
access to the data. The ticket number is #9255564. *

<:-) 

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[André Carvalho]

There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing my 
data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 1:56:15 PM UTC kuzi wrote:

> > It seems that DreamHost is holding our data hostage 
>
> They took it down because the "site consists of "personal backups" and 
> hence violates their terms of use". It doesn't sound like they are asking 
> for a ransom.
>
> > I will use any means at my disposal to make this aggressive ( and most 
> probably unlawful ) behavior from DreamHost public
>
> While it sucks, there is really nothing unlawful about this. Any provider 
> could do this if they wanted, there are no 'legal' rights to access the 
> data stored on their servers. I'd guess that this was an automated system 
> that flagged TS for the violation. The fact that the site was moved into 
> their backup storage and not just deleted seems to show some good faith, 
> and a reasonable chance that they could at least get a copy of the data 
> back.
>
> On Tuesday, 27 October 2020 at 08:10:59 UTC-5 André Carvalho wrote:
>
>> It seems that DreamHost is holding our data hostage... 
>> https://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ 
>> I would not recommend doing any sort of business with them. I will use 
>> any means at my disposal to make this aggressive ( and most probably 
>> unlawful ) behavior from DreamHost public and discourage all my contacts 
>> from making business with them.
>> @DreamHost : I want *MY* data!
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 4:53:11 PM UTC+1 hww...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ciao TT:
>>>
>>> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
>>> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
>>> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>>>
>>> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not 
>>> find anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
 Ciao Eric

 I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.

 TT


 On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
>> about the problem.
>>
>
> I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
> simple fix".
>
> Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
> http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com
>
> -e
>


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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Mat]

André Carvalho wrote:

> I will use any means at my disposal to make this aggressive ( and most 
> probably unlawful ) behavior from DreamHost public and discourage all my 
> contacts from making business with them.
>

Do you actually have "means at your disposal" that can affect things in a 
*positive 
*direction? That would probably mean legal means or powerful contacts 
working for you. Because a strategy consisting of empty threats or curses 
would, at most, annoy some administrator who rather than becoming 
cooperative becomes insulted and vindicative. That could make things even 
worse, for all of us.

Hopefully Simon can report any kind of news soon.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[kuzi]

> It seems that DreamHost is holding our data hostage 

They took it down because the "site consists of "personal backups" and 
hence violates their terms of use". It doesn't sound like they are asking 
for a ransom.

> I will use any means at my disposal to make this aggressive ( and most 
probably unlawful ) behavior from DreamHost public

While it sucks, there is really nothing unlawful about this. Any provider 
could do this if they wanted, there are no 'legal' rights to access the 
data stored on their servers. I'd guess that this was an automated system 
that flagged TS for the violation. The fact that the site was moved into 
their backup storage and not just deleted seems to show some good faith, 
and a reasonable chance that they could at least get a copy of the data 
back.

On Tuesday, 27 October 2020 at 08:10:59 UTC-5 André Carvalho wrote:

> It seems that DreamHost is holding our data hostage... 
> https://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ 
> I would not recommend doing any sort of business with them. I will use any 
> means at my disposal to make this aggressive ( and most probably unlawful ) 
> behavior from DreamHost public and discourage all my contacts from making 
> business with them.
> @DreamHost : I want *MY* data!
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 4:53:11 PM UTC+1 hww...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Ciao TT:
>>
>> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
>> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
>> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>>
>> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not 
>> find anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Ciao Eric
>>>
>>> I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.
>>>
>>> TT
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:

 On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
> about the problem.
>

 I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
 simple fix".

 Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
 http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com

 -e

>>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[André Carvalho]

It seems that DreamHost is holding our data hostage... 
https://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ 
I would not recommend doing any sort of business with them. I will use any 
means at my disposal to make this aggressive ( and most probably unlawful ) 
behavior from DreamHost public and discourage all my contacts from making 
business with them.
@DreamHost : I want *MY* data!

On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 4:53:11 PM UTC+1 hww...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Ciao TT:
>
> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>
> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not find 
> anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao Eric
>>
>> I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.
>>
>> TT
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:

 I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
 about the problem.

>>>
>>> I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
>>> simple fix".
>>>
>>> Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
>>> http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> -e
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Mat]

Everyone who uses TS should contact Simon as he requests 
 (until he says otherwise) to convey the 
width of how many that are affected by this and that it's worth fighting 
for. He has generously been hosting this for us all these years but my 
interpretation is he is not personally affected by this, so please don't 
reason that "oh, surely others have already talked to him" because even if 
a few have then it doesn't convey what a disaster this is.

A quick calculation indicates I have thousands(!) of hours of invested work 
on TS, including a lot of stuff intended to be published for the community 
one day.
 
<:-)

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[amreus]

@surya - I looked at the file I had named surya-diy for contact 
information. I found it had the gcomments plugin installed so I posted my 
email through that.  I wonder if it could possibly have worked?


On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 7:02:01 PM UTC-4 Surya wrote:

> Hello,
> I just saw the disaster :-O
> My wiki with a lot of knowledge is gone... And saved nowhere else...
> But... really unbeleavable luckily... I saw now, that you, amreus, saved 
> my wiki.
> @amreus, I cannot write a private message. If you can write one to me, 
> could you please be so nice to tell me your mail-adress? So I could write 
> you then my mail-adress for getting my wiki from you??
> That would be an unbeleavable luck
> Thanks a lot in advance!!!
>
> And then...: Is there any other possibility to upload a TW for public use?
>
> Surya
>
> amreus schrieb am Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2020 um 00:03:04 UTC+2:
>
>> I downloaded 128 public tiddlyspot wikis about a week ago.  They were for 
>> my personal use and I wasn't planning on sharing them, but would make them 
>> available if the site doesn't come back.  Hopefully the site can be 
>> restored. I've attached the list I have. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:53:11 AM UTC-4 hww...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ciao TT:
>>>
>>> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
>>> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
>>> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>>>
>>> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not 
>>> find anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
 Ciao Eric

 I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.

 TT


 On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
>> about the problem.
>>
>
> I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
> simple fix".
>
> Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
> http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com
>
> -e
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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[TW Tones]

Surya

In the google forum if you reply privately to author, it will send them an 
email, if they reply they are "giving you the email address".

Best not to share email addresses in posts because sometimes bad players 
harvest them for ~ enlargement spam.

Regards
Tones

On Tuesday, 27 October 2020 10:02:01 UTC+11, Surya wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I just saw the disaster :-O
> My wiki with a lot of knowledge is gone... And saved nowhere else...
> But... really unbeleavable luckily... I saw now, that you, amreus, saved 
> my wiki.
> @amreus, I cannot write a private message. If you can write one to me, 
> could you please be so nice to tell me your mail-adress? So I could write 
> you then my mail-adress for getting my wiki from you??
> That would be an unbeleavable luck
> Thanks a lot in advance!!!
>
> And then...: Is there any other possibility to upload a TW for public use?
>
> Surya
>
> amreus schrieb am Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2020 um 00:03:04 UTC+2:
>
>> I downloaded 128 public tiddlyspot wikis about a week ago.  They were for 
>> my personal use and I wasn't planning on sharing them, but would make them 
>> available if the site doesn't come back.  Hopefully the site can be 
>> restored. I've attached the list I have. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:53:11 AM UTC-4 hww...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ciao TT:
>>>
>>> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
>>> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
>>> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>>>
>>> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not 
>>> find anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
 Ciao Eric

 I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.

 TT


 On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
>> about the problem.
>>
>
> I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
> simple fix".
>
> Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
> http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com
>
> -e
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Re: [tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Atronoush Parsi]

Hi Springer,
 I am sorry to hear that! Yes, one expects at least an announcement a month
in advance to let users take their data from tiddlyspot server.
By the way, for quick setting up another online wikis, I may recommend
GitHub while you have not your own web server/host.
See

https://kookma.github.io/Tiddlywiki-and-GitHub-Pages/
https://kookma.github.io/TW5-GitHub-Saver/

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 6:23 AM springer  wrote:

> Without tiddlyspot, my entire workflow and teaching routine is upended.
>
> I've developed dozens of wikis at tiddlyspot (2005(?)-2020), with only
> spotty backups. I have shared various permalinks for work purposes (usually
> thrilled to be able to share a link to something I can continue to improve,
> rather than sending a static file!), so it's also a professional
> embarrassment to have those links go dead.
>
> (You all saw me lots over the summer, but my in-semester workload is
> heavy. So I'm logging in here only because of the tiddlyspot crisis. I'll
> be anxiously hovering here, and at Simon's blog, for the foreseeable
> future. ;) Best regards to you all...)
>
> -Springer
> On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 7:02:01 PM UTC-4 Surya wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I just saw the disaster :-O
>> My wiki with a lot of knowledge is gone... And saved nowhere else...
>> But... really unbeleavable luckily... I saw now, that you, amreus, saved
>> my wiki.
>> @amreus, I cannot write a private message. If you can write one to me,
>> could you please be so nice to tell me your mail-adress? So I could write
>> you then my mail-adress for getting my wiki from you??
>> That would be an unbeleavable luck
>> Thanks a lot in advance!!!
>>
>> And then...: Is there any other possibility to upload a TW for public use?
>>
>> Surya
>>
>> amreus schrieb am Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2020 um 00:03:04 UTC+2:
>>
>>> I downloaded 128 public tiddlyspot wikis about a week ago.  They were
>>> for my personal use and I wasn't planning on sharing them, but would make
>>> them available if the site doesn't come back.  Hopefully the site can be
>>> restored. I've attached the list I have.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:53:11 AM UTC-4 hww...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Ciao TT:

 I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would
 appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a
 personal account that could host a single TW file.

 I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not
 find anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.

 Cheers,
 Hans

 On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Ciao Eric
>
> I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.
>
> TT
>
>
> On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
>>> I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know
>>> about the problem.
>>>
>>
>> I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a
>> simple fix".
>>
>> Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation:
>> http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com
>>
>> -e
>>
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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Eric Shulman]

On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 7:52:50 PM UTC-7, springer wrote:
>
> Without tiddlyspot, my entire workflow and teaching routine is upended.
>  
> I've developed dozens of wikis at tiddlyspot (2005(?)-2020), with only 
> spotty backups. I have shared various permalinks for work purposes (usually 
> thrilled to be able to share a link to something I can continue to improve, 
> rather than sending a static file!), so it's also a professional 
> embarrassment to have those links go dead.
>

You *might* be able to find copies of some of your tiddlyspots using the 
Wayback Machine (https://web.archive.org/)

The copies might be somewhat older than your most recent tiddlyspot 
updates, but it's worth a try.

-e

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[springer]

Without tiddlyspot, my entire workflow and teaching routine is upended.
 
I've developed dozens of wikis at tiddlyspot (2005(?)-2020), with only 
spotty backups. I have shared various permalinks for work purposes (usually 
thrilled to be able to share a link to something I can continue to improve, 
rather than sending a static file!), so it's also a professional 
embarrassment to have those links go dead.

(You all saw me lots over the summer, but my in-semester workload is heavy. 
So I'm logging in here only because of the tiddlyspot crisis. I'll be 
anxiously hovering here, and at Simon's blog, for the foreseeable future. 
;) Best regards to you all...)

-Springer
On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 7:02:01 PM UTC-4 Surya wrote:

> Hello,
> I just saw the disaster :-O
> My wiki with a lot of knowledge is gone... And saved nowhere else...
> But... really unbeleavable luckily... I saw now, that you, amreus, saved 
> my wiki.
> @amreus, I cannot write a private message. If you can write one to me, 
> could you please be so nice to tell me your mail-adress? So I could write 
> you then my mail-adress for getting my wiki from you??
> That would be an unbeleavable luck
> Thanks a lot in advance!!!
>
> And then...: Is there any other possibility to upload a TW for public use?
>
> Surya
>
> amreus schrieb am Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2020 um 00:03:04 UTC+2:
>
>> I downloaded 128 public tiddlyspot wikis about a week ago.  They were for 
>> my personal use and I wasn't planning on sharing them, but would make them 
>> available if the site doesn't come back.  Hopefully the site can be 
>> restored. I've attached the list I have. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:53:11 AM UTC-4 hww...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ciao TT:
>>>
>>> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
>>> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
>>> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>>>
>>> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not 
>>> find anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
 Ciao Eric

 I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.

 TT


 On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
>> about the problem.
>>
>
> I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
> simple fix".
>
> Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
> http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com
>
> -e
>


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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

['klein...@googlemail.com' via TiddlyWiki]

Hello,
I just saw the disaster :-O
My wiki with a lot of knowledge is gone... And saved nowhere else...
But... really unbeleavable luckily... I saw now, that you, amreus, saved my 
wiki.
@amreus, I cannot write a private message. If you can write one to me, 
could you please be so nice to tell me your mail-adress? So I could write 
you then my mail-adress for getting my wiki from you??
That would be an unbeleavable luck
Thanks a lot in advance!!!

And then...: Is there any other possibility to upload a TW for public use?

Surya

amreus schrieb am Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2020 um 00:03:04 UTC+2:

> I downloaded 128 public tiddlyspot wikis about a week ago.  They were for 
> my personal use and I wasn't planning on sharing them, but would make them 
> available if the site doesn't come back.  Hopefully the site can be 
> restored. I've attached the list I have. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:53:11 AM UTC-4 hww...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Ciao TT:
>>
>> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
>> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
>> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>>
>> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not 
>> find anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Ciao Eric
>>>
>>> I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.
>>>
>>> TT
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:

 On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
> about the problem.
>

 I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
 simple fix".

 Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
 http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com

 -e

>>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[TiddlyTweeter]

Mark S. wrote:
>
> A company that doesn't respond in two days to a customer doesn't sound 
> like a good company.
>

Yeah. This is the first time. 

It would be really interesting to know how much space the tiddlyspot 
> project was taking. I notice that DisasterHost doesn't specify how much 
> disk space you're allowed. But obviously, there has to be a limit of some 
> kind.
>

Interesting. But AFTER the fact. IF I had known  before that TiddlySpot was 
on Dreamhost I would have asked "why is it so slow on load"? 
I didn't so I didn't.

TT

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It doesn't pay to get too attached to any company. What I learned the hard 
way on my own site was that a service can be sold overnight and change 
completely. This is why I currently pay by the half year even though it's 
more expensive. When you change, and are forced to cancel, you'll forfeit 
everything you paid.

A company that doesn't respond in two days to a customer doesn't sound like 
a good company.

It would be really interesting to know how much space the tiddlyspot 
project was taking. I notice that DisasterHost doesn't specify how much 
disk space you're allowed. But obviously, there has to be a limit of some 
kind.

On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 1:23:26 AM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Hans
>
> Well, given current issues at DH, I'm reserving the right to withdraw 
> these comments :-).
>
> +++ All I can say *now*, as a reasonably priced hosting service I used 
> for about a decade, they are good on being able to set stuff up, good on 
> support.
> Good management console. Good knowledge base.
>
> --- Performance (page load speed) can be an issue if you accept defaults, 
> which I think TiddlySpot did. Can be sluggish on load. However there are 
> options to improve it easily.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Hans

Well, given current issues at DH, I'm reserving the right to withdraw these 
comments :-).

+++ All I can say *now*, as a reasonably priced hosting service I used for 
about a decade, they are good on being able to set stuff up, good on 
support.
Good management console. Good knowledge base.

--- Performance (page load speed) can be an issue if you accept defaults, 
which I think TiddlySpot did. Can be sluggish on load. However there are 
lots of options to improve it easily.

Best wishes
TT




On Saturday, 24 October 2020 17:53:11 UTC+2, Hans Wobbe wrote:
>
>
> Ciao TT:
>
> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>
> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not find 
> anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao Eric
>>
>> I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.
>>
>> TT
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:

 I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
 about the problem.

>>>
>>> I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
>>> simple fix".
>>>
>>> Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
>>> http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> -e
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Eric Pavey]

@amreus  :  Looks like you've downloaded several of mine: I have backups, 
but yours are much more recent:  If you would email me at 'warpcat at gmail 
dot com', I can provide you the list:  Would be super awesome if you could 
forward me that data.  *Much *appreciated.

I've been using the site weekly (sometimes daily) since around 2007, so 
seeing it 'just vaporize' is painful.

On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 3:03:04 PM UTC-7 amreus wrote:

> I downloaded 128 public tiddlyspot wikis about a week ago.  They were for 
> my personal use and I wasn't planning on sharing them, but would make them 
> available if the site doesn't come back.  Hopefully the site can be 
> restored. I've attached the list I have. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:53:11 AM UTC-4 hww...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Ciao TT:
>>
>> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
>> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
>> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>>
>> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not 
>> find anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Ciao Eric
>>>
>>> I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.
>>>
>>> TT
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:

 On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
> about the problem.
>

 I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
 simple fix".

 Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
 http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com

 -e

>>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Ste]

Might be time to rent a pi and get bob-ing
https://www.mythic-beasts.com/
Here is hoping they get things back up. 
The wayback machine is also good for getting that tiddlyspot that's not 
been updated for 
a while but is still usefull. 
Less good for last weeks updates. :(

On Sunday, 25 October 2020 at 15:56:52 UTC Mark S. wrote:

> You would need to set up something like store.php or tw-receiver on the 
> site. It would be interesting to know how large the tiddlyspot collection 
> was (is?) . I'm guessing when it hit a certain size it triggered an 
> internal Dreamhost audit.
>
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-7, Hans Wobbe wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ciao TT:
>>
>> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
>> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
>> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>>
>> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not 
>> find anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Ciao Eric
>>>
>>> I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.
>>>
>>> TT
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:

 On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
> about the problem.
>

 I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
 simple fix".

 Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
 http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com

 -e

>>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

You would need to set up something like store.php or tw-receiver on the 
site. It would be interesting to know how large the tiddlyspot collection 
was (is?) . I'm guessing when it hit a certain size it triggered an 
internal Dreamhost audit.

On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-7, Hans Wobbe wrote:
>
>
> Ciao TT:
>
> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>
> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not find 
> anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao Eric
>>
>> I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.
>>
>> TT
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:

 I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
 about the problem.

>>>
>>> I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
>>> simple fix".
>>>
>>> Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
>>> http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> -e
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Birthe C]

In the middle of the depression over the losses on tiddlyspot, I managed to 
save 3 of my wikies...I would hate to loose the most. My laptop had not 
been used for 2 weeks, but when I opened it I realised it was on 
hibernation, so sure enough it opened with the browser and the TWspot tabs 
open - so I was able to save them from browser memory without refreshing. 
That has calmed me down a bit for now.

Backups...sure, only problem my external hard drive with the backups broke 
a couple of days ago.

We have been lucky to be able to use tiddlyspot for so long.


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Chuck R.]

> I will give it a try on my host though and see if I can make and save 
changes to a TW file there. 

Update: When I hit the TW save button, TW tries to save the button locally, 
not on my host. 


On Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 8:36:34 AM UTC-4 Chuck R. wrote:

> > If you have a moment I would appreciate a brief comment on how 
> easy/difficult it might be to set up a personal account that could host a 
> single TW file. 
>
> I believe it would be very difficult to do without special programming. 
> Site hosts normally require you to use their own uploader software to 
> upload changed files, and TW doesn't do that. I will give it a try on my 
> host though and see if I can make and save changes to a TW file there.
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:53:11 AM UTC-4 hww...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Ciao TT:
>>
>> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
>> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
>> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>>
>> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not 
>> find anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Ciao Eric
>>>
>>> I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.
>>>
>>> TT
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:

 On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
> about the problem.
>

 I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
 simple fix".

 Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
 http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com

 -e

>>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Chuck R.]

> If you have a moment I would appreciate a brief comment on how 
easy/difficult it might be to set up a personal account that could host a 
single TW file. 

I believe it would be very difficult to do without special programming. 
Site hosts normally require you to use their own uploader software to 
upload changed files, and TW doesn't do that. I will give it a try on my 
host though and see if I can make and save changes to a TW file there.

On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:53:11 AM UTC-4 hww...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Ciao TT:
>
> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>
> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not find 
> anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao Eric
>>
>> I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.
>>
>> TT
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:

 I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
 about the problem.

>>>
>>> I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
>>> simple fix".
>>>
>>> Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
>>> http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> -e
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Mat]

If this is not recovered, then this is an absolute disaster for me. Please 
note that on http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ Simon Baird requests that we 
contact him:


*"I don't have a good sense of how many people are using it actively now 
and how many would miss it if it were gone. So, if you are seriously 
impacted by Tiddlyspot being unavailable, please let me know how and why. 
" *

I contacted Simon and he encouragingly replied that he will attempt to 
resolve it. Still, I am nervous that people count on others to signal how 
important this is so not enough people make it clear, so do just send a 
note to Simon. (Tell me if you don't have his email. Some other contact 
info can be found here .)

@amreus wrote:

> I downloaded 128 public tiddlyspot wikis about a week ago.
>

Much appreciated @amreus. I note a few of my creations on your list so if 
this is not resolved I will contact you. Thank you.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[dvainw...@gmail.com]

I'm hoping the data can be recovered.  I had a couple of tiddlywikis I used 
on a nearly daily basis that would be very difficult to recreate from 
scratch.

On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 5:03:04 PM UTC-5 amreus wrote:

> I downloaded 128 public tiddlyspot wikis about a week ago.  They were for 
> my personal use and I wasn't planning on sharing them, but would make them 
> available if the site doesn't come back.  Hopefully the site can be 
> restored. I've attached the list I have. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:53:11 AM UTC-4 hww...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Ciao TT:
>>
>> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
>> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
>> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>>
>> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not 
>> find anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Ciao Eric
>>>
>>> I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.
>>>
>>> TT
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:

 On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
> about the problem.
>

 I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
 simple fix".

 Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
 http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com

 -e

>>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[amreus]

I downloaded 128 public tiddlyspot wikis about a week ago.  They were for 
my personal use and I wasn't planning on sharing them, but would make them 
available if the site doesn't come back.  Hopefully the site can be 
restored. I've attached the list I have. 






On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:53:11 AM UTC-4 hww...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Ciao TT:
>
> I gather you are a fan of DreamHost.  If you have a moment I would 
> appreciate a brief comment on how easy/difficult it might be to set up a 
> personal account that could host a single TW file.
>
> I've browsed their site a bit and it looks appealing, but I could not find 
> anything that reassures me specifically with respect to TW.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao Eric
>>
>> I will write to Dreamhost about this immediately.
>>
>> TT
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:58:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:40:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:

 I've sent email directly to Simon and Daniel Baird to let them know 
 about the problem.

>>>
>>> I just received a reply from Simon Baird... and he says: "It's not a 
>>> simple fix".
>>>
>>> Here's his blogspot posting explaining the situation: 
>>> http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> -e
>>>
>>

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