Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
Here's the link to the white paper: http://javad.com/downloads/javadgnss/publications/20112312.pdf. It was originally linked from GPS World's news email. It was originally posted as a technical white paper. I don't recall the 'Political Noise' lead in, but then, I'm a technical person and try to avoid political noise anyway. After rereading it, it seems more like a 'I love me' piece. Mike On 3/8/2012 12:53 AM, Hal Murray wrote: mbla...@satx.rr.com said: I read a white paper Javad put out touting their new (and cheaper to build) front end filter. Of course it is patented. So guess where everyone has to go should LS get the green light. Was that filter included as part of the recent round of testing? Did it work? I don't remember seeing any grand press releases along the lines of just use our filter. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
I see a big lack of details. Form factor? Insertion loss? Frequency change with temperature? How does it compare with a standard Murata filters? On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:32:10 -0600, Michael Blazer mbla...@satx.rr.com wrote: Here's the link to the white paper: http://javad.com/downloads/javadgnss/publications/20112312.pdf. It was originally linked from GPS World's news email. It was originally posted as a technical white paper. I don't recall the 'Political Noise' lead in, but then, I'm a technical person and try to avoid political noise anyway. After rereading it, it seems more like a 'I love me' piece. Mike On 3/8/2012 12:53 AM, Hal Murray wrote: mbla...@satx.rr.com said: I read a white paper Javad put out touting their new (and cheaper to build) front end filter. Of course it is patented. So guess where everyone has to go should LS get the green light. Was that filter included as part of the recent round of testing? Did it work? I don't remember seeing any grand press releases along the lines of just use our filter. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
I'm sure it's way, way better. Just ask them, they'll tell you... Even if you could buy it of the shelf, how well would it perform in anything but the reference design? Their envelopes look very, very good. In my experience, the entire front end would need to be very carefully tuned. On 3/9/2012 8:11 PM, David wrote: I see a big lack of details. Form factor? Insertion loss? Frequency change with temperature? How does it compare with a standard Murata filters? On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:32:10 -0600, Michael Blazer mbla...@satx.rr.com wrote: Here's the link to the white paper: http://javad.com/downloads/javadgnss/publications/20112312.pdf. It was originally linked from GPS World's news email. It was originally posted as a technical white paper. I don't recall the 'Political Noise' lead in, but then, I'm a technical person and try to avoid political noise anyway. After rereading it, it seems more like a 'I love me' piece. Mike On 3/8/2012 12:53 AM, Hal Murray wrote: mbla...@satx.rr.com said: I read a white paper Javad put out touting their new (and cheaper to build) front end filter. Of course it is patented. So guess where everyone has to go should LS get the green light. Was that filter included as part of the recent round of testing? Did it work? I don't remember seeing any grand press releases along the lines of just use our filter. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
There's also a few cars, trucks, emergency vehicles, hand-helds and timing receivers that he didn't bother to mention at all. I suspect most of those would be fixed by complete replacement. (If a full fix is even possible in all situations.) On 3/6/2012 7:37 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: I'm sorry, but Mr. Javad is on crack. A simple WAAS upgrade on a GENERAL AVIATION aircraft already costs about $8000 fully installed. This includes an antenna upgrade that I remember to be about $3000 installed for the antenna itself. $500 per plane to fix the issue? Yeah right. In what world does he live in? bye, Said In a message dated 3/6/2012 16:38:28 Pacific Standard Time, j...@cornell.edu writes: The cost of such retrofits is under $500 per aircraft. It would cost less than $20M to fix any existing issues within the industry and only take a few months to complete. Please also note that all existing GPS receivers are semi-obsolete and will soon need to be replaced anyway (with or without LightSquared) because current systems do not track the modernized signals of GPS, GLONASS and Galileo. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
I'd accept if they replaced the whole worlds GPSes, it is a cheap option as they claim! I'd like the latest model of smart phone too when you are at it L2! Cheers Raj I'm sorry, but Mr. Javad is on crack. A simple WAAS upgrade on a GENERAL AVIATION aircraft already costs about $8000 fully installed. This includes an antenna upgrade that I remember to be about $3000 installed for the antenna itself. $500 per plane to fix the issue? Yeah right. In what world does he live in? bye, Said In a message dated 3/6/2012 16:38:28 Pacific Standard Time, j...@cornell.edu writes: The cost of such retrofits is under $500 per aircraft. It would cost less than $20M to fix any existing issues within the industry and only take a few months to complete. Please also note that all existing GPS receivers are semi-obsolete and will soon need to be replaced anyway (with or without LightSquared) because current systems do not track the modernized signals of GPS, GLONASS and Galileo. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 3/6/2012 10:37 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: I'm sorry, but Mr. Javad is on crack. Yeah right. In what world does he live in? The one in which he's head of the only company who offers GNSS receivers with ... LightSquared Inside. http://javad.com/jgnss/javad/news/pr20110921.html ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
It's all very squalid!
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Yeah right. In what world does he live in?
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Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
Hi
The annual sales of GPS devices are around $5B (yes with a B) a year. Let's
say that you only replace those sold over the last four years. He's only off
by about 1000X *assuming* the new ones are as cheap as the old ones...
Bob
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Yeah right. In what world does he live in?
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Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
Rob wrote: Javad got into bed with Lightsquared and now things are not working as planned he is throwing his toys out of the pram. Javad was hoping to profit from making (and/or perhaps licensing the technology to make) retrofit filters. Some would have been paid for by LS (presumably at wholesale), but the vast majority would have been sold at retail to GPS users. Call it piggyback speculation (Javad speculating on LS's speculation on the possibility of putting cheap Mobile Satellite Service (MSS) spectrum to a much higher-valued use and reaping a windfall). I love that LS is suggesting that if it is not allowed to go forward with its terrestrial network it should either be reimbursed for its losses or be given other spectrum in exchange that it can use for the terrestrial network. (I.e., LS has the balls to suggest that taxpayers should guarantee its speculation. Have the past 5 years taught us nothing?) LS paid a fair price for MSS spectrum (which is relatively inexpensive because the market for MSS services has never developed). It can still operate an MSS network, or sell the spectrum to someone else who wants to operate an MSS network. It still has the full value of the MSS spectrum, which it acquired at MSS prices, and has lost nothing (except many millions in legal fees fighting for authorization to build its terrestrial network). Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
What a tangled web we weave. . . Don Charles P. Steinmetz Rob wrote: Javad got into bed with Lightsquared and now things are not working as planned he is throwing his toys out of the pram. Javad was hoping to profit from making (and/or perhaps licensing the technology to make) retrofit filters. Some would have been paid for by LS (presumably at wholesale), but the vast majority would have been sold at retail to GPS users. Call it piggyback speculation (Javad speculating on LS's speculation on the possibility of putting cheap Mobile Satellite Service (MSS) spectrum to a much higher-valued use and reaping a windfall). I love that LS is suggesting that if it is not allowed to go forward with its terrestrial network it should either be reimbursed for its losses or be given other spectrum in exchange that it can use for the terrestrial network. (I.e., LS has the balls to suggest that taxpayers should guarantee its speculation. Have the past 5 years taught us nothing?) LS paid a fair price for MSS spectrum (which is relatively inexpensive because the market for MSS services has never developed). It can still operate an MSS network, or sell the spectrum to someone else who wants to operate an MSS network. It still has the full value of the MSS spectrum, which it acquired at MSS prices, and has lost nothing (except many millions in legal fees fighting for authorization to build its terrestrial network). Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. R. Bacon If you don't know what it is, don't poke it. Ghost in the Shell Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
Sorry for my language, I was quite upset when I read his letter. If it really was trivial and very low cost to upgrade GPS receivers, then he should not worry too much about loosing much revenue. This sounds more like he made major investments in either Lightsquared itself, or into designing and qualifying compatible receivers, and hoping for a major payday which is not coming. There should be other solutions for LS such as allocating to a different sp ectrum etc to not lose a $14 billon investment. Also his claims that GPS receivers will soon be obsolete anyway's are clearly not true of course. This reminds me about the futile episode of Edison electrocuting Elephants to prove his DC power grid to be superior to AC... bye, Said In a message dated 3/7/2012 09:03:10 Pacific Standard Time, robkimber...@btinternet.com writes: It's all very squalid! Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter From: Mike S To: time-nuts@febo.com CC: On 3/6/2012 10:37 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: I'm sorry, but Mr. Javad is on crack. Yeah right. In what world does he live in? The one in which he's head of the only company who offers GNSS receivers with ... LightSquared Inside. http://javad.com/jgnss/javad/news/pr20110921.html ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
On 03/07/2012 07:22 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Sorry for my language, I was quite upset when I read his letter. If it really was trivial and very low cost to upgrade GPS receivers, then he should not worry too much about loosing much revenue. This sounds more like he made major investments in either Lightsquared itself, or into designing and qualifying compatible receivers, and hoping for a major payday which is not coming. There should be other solutions for LS such as allocating to a different sp ectrum etc to not lose a $14 billon investment. Also his claims that GPS receivers will soon be obsolete anyway's are clearly not true of course. This reminds me about the futile episode of Edison electrocuting Elephants to prove his DC power grid to be superior to AC... I think it is interesting that he goes out to such length to alienate himself from the rest of the industry, but then he acts like a bad looser for loosing out on business he was speculating on getting money from. Then again, if he would supply us all with full-capable receivers at the cost of L2, then maybe it would just be worth it. Ah well. Should we stop kicking this dog, it is already lying there half-dead anyway. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I think it is amusing, and sad at the same time, that Javad claims that his position is the one where technology is losing out to politics. Maybe he thinks the bulk of the population and the FCC really are that stupid and gullible? Did I really just defend those two groups? Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of robkimber...@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:03 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter It's all very squalid! Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter From: Mike S To: time-nuts@febo.com CC: On 3/6/2012 10:37 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: I'm sorry, but Mr. Javad is on crack. Yeah right. In what world does he live in? The one in which he's head of the only company who offers GNSS receivers with ... LightSquared Inside. http://javad.com/jgnss/javad/news/pr20110921.html ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
I read a white paper Javad put out touting their new (and cheaper to build) front end filter. Of course it is patented. So guess where everyone has to go should LS get the green light. Mike On 3/7/2012 12:22 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Sorry for my language, I was quite upset when I read his letter. If it really was trivial and very low cost to upgrade GPS receivers, then he should not worry too much about loosing much revenue. This sounds more like he made major investments in either Lightsquared itself, or into designing and qualifying compatible receivers, and hoping for a major payday which is not coming. There should be other solutions for LS such as allocating to a different sp ectrum etc to not lose a $14 billon investment. Also his claims that GPS receivers will soon be obsolete anyway's are clearly not true of course. This reminds me about the futile episode of Edison electrocuting Elephants to prove his DC power grid to be superior to AC... bye, Said In a message dated 3/7/2012 09:03:10 Pacific Standard Time, robkimber...@btinternet.com writes: It's all very squalid! Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter From: Mike S To: time-nuts@febo.com CC: On 3/6/2012 10:37 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: I'm sorry, but Mr. Javad is on crack. Yeah right. In what world does he live in? The one in which he's head of the only company who offers GNSS receivers with ... LightSquared Inside. http://javad.com/jgnss/javad/news/pr20110921.html ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
Filtering is basically what is done by those skilled in the art. I think it would be hard to defend such a patent. Then again, Apple has managed to patent and defend in court the ipad color scheme. -Original Message- From: Michael Blazer mbla...@satx.rr.com Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 18:19:57 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter I read a white paper Javad put out touting their new (and cheaper to build) front end filter. Of course it is patented. So guess where everyone has to go should LS get the green light. Mike On 3/7/2012 12:22 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Sorry for my language, I was quite upset when I read his letter. If it really was trivial and very low cost to upgrade GPS receivers, then he should not worry too much about loosing much revenue. This sounds more like he made major investments in either Lightsquared itself, or into designing and qualifying compatible receivers, and hoping for a major payday which is not coming. There should be other solutions for LS such as allocating to a different sp ectrum etc to not lose a $14 billon investment. Also his claims that GPS receivers will soon be obsolete anyway's are clearly not true of course. This reminds me about the futile episode of Edison electrocuting Elephants to prove his DC power grid to be superior to AC... bye, Said In a message dated 3/7/2012 09:03:10 Pacific Standard Time, robkimber...@btinternet.com writes: It's all very squalid! Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter From: Mike S To: time-nuts@febo.com CC: On 3/6/2012 10:37 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: I'm sorry, but Mr. Javad is on crack. Yeah right. In what world does he live in? The one in which he's head of the only company who offers GNSS receivers with ... LightSquared Inside. http://javad.com/jgnss/javad/news/pr20110921.html ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
Personally, I would be opposed to LS even if they *did* offer to replace every GPS in the world at their cost. The real issue here is more fundamental - if you are going to allow people to operate high power terrestrial based transmitters in a designated satellite downlink band then what is the point of having spectrum planning at all? I suppose you can't really blame LS for trying it on - the real fault lies with the FCC for not shooting the idea down completely when it was first suggested. Regards, Pete On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Raj vu2...@gmail.com wrote: I'd accept if they replaced the whole worlds GPSes, it is a cheap option as they claim! I'd like the latest model of smart phone too when you are at it L2! Cheers Raj ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Pete wrote: I suppose you can't really blame LS for trying it on - the real fault lies with the FCC for not shooting the idea down completely when it was first suggested. The regulatory notion is ancillary terrestrial component (ATC). Its original purpose (conceived in the early '90s) was to allow satellite operators to fill in dead zones. Satellite radio (SDARS) operators began deploying ATC in the late '90s and early '00s. The SDARS licensees seriously abused the privilege (causing extensive interference to users of the adjacent WCS spectrum), and it has been downhill ever since. I thought it was a bad idea in 1992, and subsequent experience has only strengthened my view. As I have said before, the current FCC has the (I believe) unfounded notions (1) that an exploding need for additional mobile broadband spectrum will continue unabated for at least a decade (based on the figures for the first couple of years of data, which are inevitably way higher than ultimate demand for any new service), and (2) that providing more broadband spectrum is critical to the US pulling out of the recession. Accepting these (I believe) mistaken premises, the FCC is in an absolute panic to increase the supply of mobile broadband spectrum by 500 MHz nationwide. And good decisions are rarely made by bureaucrats in a panic. The decision to encourage terrestrial use of the MSS spectrum is just one of many examples. As a reality check on my skepticism regarding the FCC's conclusions, or at least the practicability of fulfilling them: If you accept the FCC's demand projections for mobile broadband spectrum, it is clear that even 500 MHz of additional spectrum would not come anywhere near fulfilling the rising demand over the next 5 years. That would take more like 3-10 GHz, depending on other assumptions. But there is simply not that much spectrum physically suitable for mobile broadband use, even if you allocate it all to wireless carriers -- frequencies below about 500 MHz require antennas too large for practical handsets, and frequencies much above 2 GHz do not carry far enough in open country, or penetrate sufficiently into buildings, natural canyons, or urban canyons, to work acceptably. All that said, LS's engineers should have (and may have) foreseen the devastating effect the use of ATC on their particular L-band spectrum would have on GPS as we know it, and LS management should have known that their plan would ultimately fail. But the prospect of making a windfall of many billions of dollars apparently blinded them (or, in their minds, justified the risk). But in the end, LS took the risk and LS should bear its losses and quit trying to stick US taxpayers with it. They paid fair prices for MSS spectrum that can still be used for its intended purpose, or sold. No loss, no foul. Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 3/7/12 10:22 AM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Sorry for my language, I was quite upset when I read his letter. If it really was trivial and very low cost to upgrade GPS receivers, then he should not worry too much about loosing much revenue. This sounds more like he made major investments in either Lightsquared itself, or into designing and qualifying compatible receivers, and hoping for a major payday which is not coming. There should be other solutions for LS such as allocating to a different sp ectrum etc to not lose a $14 billon investment. I don't think $14B has actually been spent (as in actually paid to a manufacturer of parts and/or workers).. sure there's lots of paper investments back and forth, but not much cash has changed hands. We were talking about this at lunch today.. SKyTerra cost something like 1/2B. They launched a next gen sat recently (maybe 1B).. I find it hard to believe they've spent close to 1B on their test ground stations and though they clearly have armies of lawyers and accountants, 1B buys a lot of legal fees. They may well have made commitments and orders for multiple B of future purchases, and there will be termination liability if they cancel orders, etc. But again, it's not like they have 1B in their vaunted dual mode handset chips sitting in inventory at Qualcomm.. Also his claims that GPS receivers will soon be obsolete anyway's are clearly not true of course. This reminds me about the futile episode of Edison electrocuting Elephants to prove his DC power grid to be superior to AC... Those states that use electrocution *do* use AC in the electric chair, though... Granted we don't refer to westinghousing the offender as Edison advocated, though. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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mbla...@satx.rr.com said: I read a white paper Javad put out touting their new (and cheaper to build) front end filter. Of course it is patented. So guess where everyone has to go should LS get the green light. Was that filter included as part of the recent round of testing? Did it work? I don't remember seeing any grand press releases along the lines of just use our filter. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter
I'm sorry, but Mr. Javad is on crack. A simple WAAS upgrade on a GENERAL AVIATION aircraft already costs about $8000 fully installed. This includes an antenna upgrade that I remember to be about $3000 installed for the antenna itself. $500 per plane to fix the issue? Yeah right. In what world does he live in? bye, Said In a message dated 3/6/2012 16:38:28 Pacific Standard Time, j...@cornell.edu writes: The cost of such retrofits is under $500 per aircraft. It would cost less than $20M to fix any existing issues within the industry and only take a few months to complete. Please also note that all existing GPS receivers are semi-obsolete and will soon need to be replaced anyway (with or without LightSquared) because current systems do not track the modernized signals of GPS, GLONASS and Galileo. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
