Re: APA style question
At 03:13 PM 11/17/1999 -0800, Annette Taylor wrote:
>Over a week ago I posed the question and got no response:
>this is a question from a student:
>Do we think all the time that we are awake?
I would say that it depends. What do you mean by "think"?
>Now the APA style question--this is a matter of some controversy
>students the other faculty member insists it means centered
{snip}
>top to bottom and right to left.
>
Okay, I admit to not having my APA manual in hand (it's in the office) but
I do have my copy of the research methods text I use (Bordens & Abbott, 4th
ed.) In chapter 13 on page 388 they state "Place the title near the top of
the title page and center it between the left and right margins." This
seems to go with what I remember of 4th edition format. The text refers to
pages 248-250 of the publication manual for more information.
Originally I started to comment on changes between 3rd and 4th editions
that went unnoticed being a possible explanation, but having read the
comments of others I'm guessing that it is a flaw in the textbook. Of
course, it could explain where you might have seen/heard the "near the top"
part.
Hope this helps...
- Marc
G. Marc Turner, MEd
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Department of Psychology
Southwest Texas State University
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Re: APA style question
Annette Taylor wrote: > On the title page, where, going from top to bottom do we put the > title of the paper, the author's name and affiliation. I seem to > remember from somewhere that it is supposed to be "near the top" > but cannot find a reference for that in my manual. > > My APA manual does say that it should be centered, but I believe > that means left to right, not top to bottom. According to my > students the other faculty member insists it means centered > top to bottom and right to left. This is one of those fine points on which APA seems to waffle (see their web site). Two others that come to mind are the format of the manuscript head (should the page number be next to it or under it?), and "only one space after a period." My guess is that they waffle either because many people pointed out the inconsistencies in the manual, or because many people objected to an arbitrarily silly rule. On page 249 of the manual, it says, "centered on the page." Although this is ambiguous, the example on page 258 suggests the meaning is "top to bottom AND left to right." If I recall correctly, their web page says that either is acceptable. Now, in reality, do you think this would make a difference to a reasonable journal editor? -- * * Mike Scoles*[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Department of Psychology *voice: (501) 450-5418 * * University of Central Arkansas *fax: (501) 450-5424 * * Conway, AR72035-0001 * * * http://www.coe.uca.edu/psych/scoles/index.html
Re: APA style question
Annette Taylor writes on 17 Nov 99,: > On the title page, where, going from top to bottom do we put the > title of the paper, the author's name and affiliation. I seem to > remember from somewhere that it is supposed to be "near the top" > but cannot find a reference for that in my manual. > > My APA manual does say that it should be centered, but I believe > that means left to right, not top to bottom. According to my > students the other faculty member insists it means centered > top to bottom and right to left. The APA manual says "centered on the page" (p. 249) which I take to mean from the left and right and top and bottom. If they just meant left and right, I think they would have left it with "centered". The sample paper on p. 258 also shows it centered on both dimensions. So take that for what its worth (which is about what you paid for it). Rick Dr. Rick Froman Psychology Department Box 3055 John Brown University Siloam Springs, AR 72761 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jbu.edu/sbs/psych Office: (501)524-7295 Fax: (501)524-9548 "Happiness is not found by searching, but by researching."
APA style question
I have a question on APA and a student question: Over a week ago I posed the question and got no response: this is a question from a student: Do we think all the time that we are awake? Now the APA style question--this is a matter of some controversy between me and apparently other faculty in our department since students tell me that they have learned to do things one way for me and another for another person :-( since we both seem adamant about what is correct, each in or own ways. On the title page, where, going from top to bottom do we put the title of the paper, the author's name and affiliation. I seem to remember from somewhere that it is supposed to be "near the top" but cannot find a reference for that in my manual. My APA manual does say that it should be centered, but I believe that means left to right, not top to bottom. According to my students the other faculty member insists it means centered top to bottom and right to left. OK who is right and is there any rule and is there any evidence. And for those who think all this rigidity re: APA style is silly I have 2 replies: (1) it never hurts to develop disciplined thinking (2) it makes good fodder for harmless disagreements ;-) annette Annette Taylor, Ph. D. Department of PsychologyE-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of San Diego Voice: (619) 260-4006 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 "Education is one of the few things a person is willing to pay for and not get." -- W. L. Bryan
Re: APA style question
At 7:20 PM -0500 10/27/99, Jim Clark wrote: >I think this is a good time to suggest to students that there is >not always a "correct" answer and to suggest "who would really >care?" My experience in publishing papers is that the editors >don't really care all that much about the minutiae of APA style >and that it is the content that is more important. Perhaps we >should try to communicate the importance of content and effective >communication to students. Let me second Jim Clark's comment here. It is not so revolutionary to suggest that APA style should serve the purpose of communication rather than be an end in itself. Actually, what APA style does is balance the needs of communication with the needs of editors, reviewers, and copy editors. It is important for APA style to be followed with enough faithfulness that it does not get in the way of communicating the IDEAS, METHODS, AND PATTERN OF THE DATA in the paper. I have both reviewed and published papers with some places in tables single spaced, some statistics formats not followed, incorrect title page formats, header styles not followed, etc. etc. There is some fun in tracking down the minutiae of APA format, but I encourage my students to care most religiously about COMMUNICATION rather than format. In some places (particularly in tables), double spacing obscures the meaning rather than enlightens it. As long as you leave enough white space for a copy editor and reviewers to mark up the paper, you have followed the spirit of APA's double-space-everything rule. -Chuck - Chuck Huff; 507.646.3169; http://www.stolaf.edu/people/huff/ - Psychology Department, St.Olaf College, Northfield, MN 55057
Re: APA style question
Okay, here's my understanding of the situation: There is one item called the "Running Head" that appears on the title page. This is the part that consists of a 50 character limit. It is used at time of publication for a heading on pages in the journal. There is another item called the "manuscript heading" which appears at the top of all pages of the manuscript. This is different from the running head and consists of the first 2-3 words of the title. I believe this to be a change from the 3rd edition that I only recently became aware of (when I was going over APA format this semester in class). My memory of being taught the format was that the running head and what is now called the manuscript heading were the same thing. However, in the fourth addition this has changed. Unfortunately my copy of the pub. manual is in my office so all I have to go by is the Bordens & Abbott text I have with me at the moment. Hope this helps... - Marc G. Marc Turner, MEd Lecturer & Head of Computer Operations Department of Psychology Southwest Texas State University San Marcos, TX 78666 phone: (512)245-2526 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ...
Re: APA style question
Hi On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Serdikoff, Sherry L. wrote: > I have checked more than 5 websites on APA style and have The > APA Manual, The Psychology Students Writer's Manual and 5 > research methods texts sitting on my desk and still cannot I > still cannot come up with a decisive answer regarding the > content of the Running head and Page header for an APA style > manuscript. In the APA manual I cannot find any discussion of > the content of the Running head other than it should be no > longer than 50 characters (but, if it is in there I trust > someone on this list will know and point it out ;-). One source > suggests using as many full words from the full title, in > order, as will fit within the 50 character limit; another says > it should be "topical" and tell the reader what the paper is > about. In contrast, the page header is supposed to be "the > first two or three words from the title" (APA manual p. 241). > But, in the two-experiment example paper (pp. 269-270) they use > the third and fourth word as the page header -- perhaps these > words match the first two words of the running head for that > paper but, since no title page is provided for this example it > is impossible to tell for sure. Other sources are not in > agreement here either; some say is should be the first 2-3 > words of the FULL title and other say the first 2-3 words of > the running head. I think this is a good time to suggest to students that there is not always a "correct" answer and to suggest "who would really care?" My experience in publishing papers is that the editors don't really care all that much about the minutiae of APA style and that it is the content that is more important. Perhaps we should try to communicate the importance of content and effective communication to students. Best wishes Jim James M. Clark (204) 786-9757 Department of Psychology(204) 774-4134 Fax University of Winnipeg 4L05D Winnipeg, Manitoba R3B 2E9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] CANADA http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~clark
Re: APA style question
On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Serdikoff, Sherry L. wrote:
> Tipsters: Here's one that has my Exp Psyc students, my TA and me stumped...
>
...snip
In contrast, the
> page header is supposed to be "the first two or three words from the title" (APA
> manual p. 241). But, in the two-experiment example paper (pp. 269-270) they use the
> third and fourth word as the page header -- perhaps these words match the first two
> words of the running head for that paper but, since no title page is provided for
> this example it is impossible to tell for sure. Other sources are not in agreement
> here either; some say is should be the first 2-3 words of the FULL title and other
> say the first 2-3 words of the running head.
In my copy of the APA manual, the sampe paper does have the first
2 words (individual differences) of the full title as the short title
For the 2-study case I think they took the 2nd and 3rd substantive
words--omitting the first substantive and nonsubstantive words (Effect of)
since the logic is that should the manuscript pages become disorganized,
as when a Klutz walks by and the entire stack of manuscripts is tossed
to the floor unintentionally, then the manuscripts can be reassembled.
It would be impossible to do if too may of them had "effects of" as the
short title :-)
I'm not sure where I got the idea that it's the first 2-3 substantive
words, as opposed to the exact first 2-3 words except it makes
good sense. I just checked the APA manual so maybe I had made
a personal interpretation that works.
annette
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APA style question
Tipsters: Here's one that has my Exp Psyc students, my TA and me stumped...
I have checked more than 5 websites on APA style and have The APA Manual, The
Psychology Students Writer's Manual and 5 research methods texts sitting on my desk
and still cannot I still cannot come up with a decisive answer regarding the content
of the Running head and Page header for an APA style manuscript. In the APA manual I
cannot find any discussion of the content of the Running head other than it should
be no longer than 50 characters (but, if it is in there I trust someone on this list
will know and point it out ;-). One source suggests using as many full words from
the full title, in order, as will fit within the 50 character limit; another says it
should be "topical" and tell the reader what the paper is about. In contrast, the
page header is supposed to be "the first two or three words from the title" (APA
manual p. 241). But, in the two-experiment example paper (pp. 269-270) they use the
third and fourth word as the page header -- perhaps these words match the first two
words of the running head for that paper but, since no title page is provided for
this example it is impossible to tell for sure. Other sources are not in agreement
here either; some say is should be the first 2-3 words of the FULL title and other
say the first 2-3 words of the running head.
HELP?
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+__Sherry L. Serdikoff, Ph.D. +
+ * * School of Psychology +
+ * OO * James Madison University +
+ ** MSC 7401 {)__(} +
+ *(. .)* Harrisonburg, VA 22807 (oo) +
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+ FAX Number: 540-568-3322 +
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Re: an APA style question
When working on a book chapter recently, I also ran into this problem. Two websites that I can suggest are "Citing electronic sources in APA style" (URL: http://www.apsu.edu/~lesterj/cyber4.htm ) and "How to cite Information from the Internet and the World Wide Web" (URL: http://www.apa.org/journals/webref.html ). I found the first one more useful, but the second one just verifies what APA expects when referencing materials found on the web. Essentially, you are going to want to reference both the printed source and the Internet information and these sites describe how. Jason Kanz Counseling Psychology Program University of Iowa Iowa City, IA 52242 Michael Ofsowitz wrote: > Folks, > > I have increasing numbers of students who obtain copies of print journal > articles from web-based sources (web sites, such as Elizabeth Loftus's, or > library services such as Proquest, or commercial sites like Northern > Lights). > > When showing a reference for such a paper, should the student provide only > the Internet reference, only the original source information, or should it > be shown as a reprint (such as #40, p.206 of the Publication Manual)? If > the latter, how should a print journal article obtained from an Internet > source be shown? > > Also, how should citations for quotes be handled? Most of the Internet > reprints do not contain proper pagination information. Should the citation > include paragraph numbers even though the original was not an electronic > text? (I assume so.) > > --> Mike O. > > ___ > > Michael S. Ofsowitz > University of Maryland - European Division > http://faculty.ed.umuc.edu/~mofsowit > ___ >
an APA style question
Folks, I have increasing numbers of students who obtain copies of print journal articles from web-based sources (web sites, such as Elizabeth Loftus's, or library services such as Proquest, or commercial sites like Northern Lights). When showing a reference for such a paper, should the student provide only the Internet reference, only the original source information, or should it be shown as a reprint (such as #40, p.206 of the Publication Manual)? If the latter, how should a print journal article obtained from an Internet source be shown? Also, how should citations for quotes be handled? Most of the Internet reprints do not contain proper pagination information. Should the citation include paragraph numbers even though the original was not an electronic text? (I assume so.) --> Mike O. ___ Michael S. Ofsowitz University of Maryland - European Division http://faculty.ed.umuc.edu/~mofsowit ___
RE: APA style question
Somewhere out there is a journal article detailing the changes in the APA Manual from one printing to the next (up to about the 6th printing). Randy Smith sent me a copy of these the first time I taught experimental psychology. It's in my stack of experimental handouts back in my office right now - perhaps someone has a reference. I'll dig it up if I remember to. I suspect that our students will mostly have relatively recent printings in which most of these issues have been resolved, but it's worth being aware of these differences and letting our students know about them as much as possible. Annette Taylor wrote: > AHHH! > but on my sample paper on p. 258 the whole shebang of title, author, > affiliation is just one double space below the running head. > > And then it says to center the text for the title and then it says > to center the text for the author and the affiliation after a double- > space--suggesting to me it is left to right! > > more opinions solicited Didn't anyone ever warn you never to buy version 1.00? ;) Paul "one space after the period" Smith Alverno College Milwaukee
RE: APA style question
-My .02 worth: on page 258 the title page is partially obscured by the abstract page. All the important elements wouldn't show if the title and affiliation were truly centered. Dumb reason, but it's a possibility. Glad to see that I am not alone in obsessing about APA style--I have the reputation as the department APA nut. Kris Lewis Saint Michael's College Colchester VT > -- > From: Annette Taylor[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Reply To: Annette Taylor > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 2:52 PM > To: TIPS > Subject: Re: APA style question > > AHHH! > but on my sample paper on p. 258 the whole shebang of title, author, > affiliation is just one double space below the running head. > > And then it says to center the text for the title and then it says > to center the text for the author and the affiliation after a double- > space--suggesting to me it is left to right! > > more opinions solicited > annette > > On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Rick Froman wrote: > > > Annette Taylor writes on 17 Nov 99,: > > > > > > > On the title page, where, going from top to bottom do we put the > > > title of the paper, the author's name and affiliation. I seem to > > > remember from somewhere that it is supposed to be "near the top" > > > but cannot find a reference for that in my manual. > > > > > > My APA manual does say that it should be centered, but I believe > > > that means left to right, not top to bottom. According to my > > > students the other faculty member insists it means centered > > > top to bottom and right to left. > > > > The APA manual says "centered on the page" (p. 249) which I take to > > mean from the left and right and top and bottom. If they just meant > left > > and right, I think they would have left it with "centered". The sample > > paper on p. 258 also shows it centered on both dimensions. So take > > that for what its worth (which is about what you paid for it). > > > > Rick > > > > Dr. Rick Froman > > Psychology Department > > Box 3055 > > John Brown University > > Siloam Springs, AR 72761 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.jbu.edu/sbs/psych > > Office: (501)524-7295 > > Fax: (501)524-9548 > > > > "Happiness is not found by searching, but by researching." > > > > Annette Taylor, Ph. D. > Department of Psychology E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > University of San Diego Voice: (619) 260-4006 > 5998 Alcala Park > San Diego, CA 92110 > > "Education is one of the few things a person >is willing to pay for and not get." > -- W. L. Bryan > >
Re: APA style question
AHHH! but on my sample paper on p. 258 the whole shebang of title, author, affiliation is just one double space below the running head. And then it says to center the text for the title and then it says to center the text for the author and the affiliation after a double- space--suggesting to me it is left to right! more opinions solicited annette On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Rick Froman wrote: > Annette Taylor writes on 17 Nov 99,: > > > > On the title page, where, going from top to bottom do we put the > > title of the paper, the author's name and affiliation. I seem to > > remember from somewhere that it is supposed to be "near the top" > > but cannot find a reference for that in my manual. > > > > My APA manual does say that it should be centered, but I believe > > that means left to right, not top to bottom. According to my > > students the other faculty member insists it means centered > > top to bottom and right to left. > > The APA manual says "centered on the page" (p. 249) which I take to > mean from the left and right and top and bottom. If they just meant left > and right, I think they would have left it with "centered". The sample > paper on p. 258 also shows it centered on both dimensions. So take > that for what its worth (which is about what you paid for it). > > Rick > > Dr. Rick Froman > Psychology Department > Box 3055 > John Brown University > Siloam Springs, AR 72761 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.jbu.edu/sbs/psych > Office: (501)524-7295 > Fax: (501)524-9548 > > "Happiness is not found by searching, but by researching." > Annette Taylor, Ph. D. Department of PsychologyE-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of San Diego Voice: (619) 260-4006 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 "Education is one of the few things a person is willing to pay for and not get." -- W. L. Bryan
Re: APA style question
Annette said: >And for those who think all this rigidity re: APA style is silly >I have 2 replies: >(1) it never hurts to develop disciplined thinking Absolutely. What else do they need us for that we couldn't do through web sites. But, I also think there is room for interpretation. One segment of the manual clearly states that any "rule" or correct way specified in the manual is overridden by rules of the particular journal, the school you are attending etc. If I were you, I'd just point out to the student that there is a different interpretation and in my class you do it this way. Then point to the analog to different journals requiring different things (some physiological journals requiring abreviations from physics pops into mind). >(2) it makes good fodder for harmless disagreements ;-) Exactly. But include the students in that. I would not remove them from the loop (and certainly not protect them from it!). The reality is that few things are absolutely right and wrong. At best APA's standards are norms intended to ease the task of the reader and to clarify presentation. The students should understand that. imho Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Albertson College of Idaho Department of Psychology 2112 Cleveland Blvd Caldwell, Idaho [EMAIL PROTECTED] 208-459-5840
Re: APA style question
In the 4th edition, both have been presented. A colleague of mine caught this a few years ago. In the first printing of this edition, the title, name, affiliation on the sample title page was near the top (close to the running head). So, the first year she taught the class, everyone placed it there. However, the next year, all of the students put it in the middle. When she corrected the mistake on the paper, the students came to her and showed her the book. Seems like the next printing had the paper title in the middle. I did see her book and it was at the top - mine is in the middle (I have the fourth printing). At 03:13 PM 11/17/99 -0800, Annette Taylor wrote: > I have a question on APA and a student question: > >Over a week ago I posed the question and got no response: >this is a question from a student: >Do we think all the time that we are awake? > >Now the APA style question--this is a matter of some controversy >between me and apparently other faculty in our department since >students tell me that they have learned to do things one way for >me and another for another person :-( since we both seem adamant >about what is correct, each in or own ways. > >On the title page, where, going from top to bottom do we put the >title of the paper, the author's name and affiliation. I seem to >remember from somewhere that it is supposed to be "near the top" >but cannot find a reference for that in my manual. > >My APA manual does say that it should be centered, but I believe >that means left to right, not top to bottom. According to my >students the other faculty member insists it means centered >top to bottom and right to left. > >OK who is right and is there any rule and is there any evidence. > >And for those who think all this rigidity re: APA style is silly >I have 2 replies: >(1) it never hurts to develop disciplined thinking >(2) it makes good fodder for harmless disagreements ;-) > >annette > >Annette Taylor, Ph. D. >Department of Psychology E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >University of San DiegoVoice: (619) 260-4006 >5998 Alcala Park >San Diego, CA 92110 > > "Education is one of the few things a person >is willing to pay for and not get." > -- W. L. Bryan > > > > Deb Deborah S. Briihl There are as many Dept. of Psychology and Counseling ways to live as Valdosta State University there are people in Valdosta, GA 31698-0100 this world and each [EMAIL PROTECTED]deserve a closer Now in new Assoc. size! look.. http://chiron.valdosta.edu/dbriihl You got so many dreams you don't know where to put them, so you better turn a few of them loose... Fire
