Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-07-23 Thread firedog

mortslim;563721 Wrote: 
 Here is what the poster “firedog” who has done a lot of criticizing of
 my consumer protection efforts here on the slim forums had to say on a
 different website’s forum:
 
 So HDTracks got duped. Doesn't really bother me, except that I think
 they should notify everyone who downloaded the tracks in question (they
 have acc't info on record) and offer a partial refund or credit towards
 next purchase.
 
 To simply take the tracks off the site and expect visitors to a)notice;
 and b)then ask for a refund, is unrealistic. Simply  a way for them to
 get away without compensating the customers.
 
 http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=81861.0
 
 I guess “firedog” is a closet fan of mine after all !
 
 And the scandal grows and grows !!!
No, I'm not a fan, and I'd appreciate it if you'd not put words in my
mouth.

I still think the evidence on the thread shows that most of your long
winded posts were based on incorrect technical and legal assumptions on
your part, brought about by a)ignorance; and b)jumping to conclusions
without checking facts.

The fact that HD Tracks got duped has no relevance to most of the
material you have written on the thread. And as they claimed from the
start, they won't knowingly place uploaded material on their site. 

My above criticism of them regarding refunds still stands. That's a
separate issue. I just don't like the corporate practice of refunding
money or rebates b/c we all know it is a way not to actually refund
anything in many cases. Long experience shows that such a system
results in a very low payout.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LaCie 500GB d2 Ethernet Disk Mini

2010-07-23 Thread mdm

Dave (Northumberland) Wrote: 
 
 I just want to know if it is posible to use this one with
 Squeezeserver?

I guess that nobody tried this one. There are some talks about SBS
running on NAS here:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/streamers-network-music-players/

Cheers,
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Remote w/ Touch?

2010-07-23 Thread Kampfsau

ChrisL01;563564 Wrote: 
 Are there any good sources for buying the Remote standalone online?

Use your Smartphone! I have a Duet, but I use my HTC Desire with the
App Squeezecommander. - works great!! (price ~2-3€)
I can controll all of my SQB trough the web from everywhere. Quit
funny, if your girlfriend stays longer in the bed.  ;-) blabla the SQB
turned on with max. Volume,bla bla :D  hrhr

I also can recomend the App iPeng on iPod Touch or iPhone (~7-10€).

instead buying a duet controller Buy a iPod Touch on Ebay! much cheaper
an much smoother to controll!!

Best Regards
Stefan


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LaCie 500GB d2 Ethernet Disk Mini

2010-07-23 Thread toby10

Dave (Northumberland);563700 Wrote: 
 I have no idea, I have been using an SD card since giving up trying to
 use a USB drive (worked sometimes, but far too annoying when it balls
 up). This is my first move into a NAS drive, I just want to know if it
 is posible to use this one with Squeezeserver?

Yes, there are separate builds of the SBS server for NAS devices.
But the hardware specs of the NAS (CPU type and speed, ROM, drive
speed, etc..) are very important for the functionality and stability of
running SBS.
A NAS is simply a stripped down computer, but if you strip out too much
you can start to encounter problems while running a server type program
like SBS.

Not unlike the issues you encountered running the Touch's inbuilt
server.  ;)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LaCie 500GB d2 Ethernet Disk Mini

2010-07-23 Thread toby10

aubuti;563800 Wrote: 
 And you won't know until you find out the hardware specs (CPU, RAM) and
 whether you can get root (admin) access to install SBS. I took a look
 at the product page and specs and they don't give any of that info, so
 you'll have to do more research on places like NAS forums. If that's
 too much trouble, then I expect actually installing SBS on it will also
 be too much trouble for you.

+1

and I'd be highly suspicious of a £48 (guessing $90) NAS/computer
that has such specs to properly run a program like SBS.
It might be the best NAS device ever put to market, but I'd strongly
suggest investigating it's specs vs performance.  ;)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LaCie 500GB d2 Ethernet Disk Mini

2010-07-23 Thread aubuti

toby10;563829 Wrote: 
 +1
 
 and I'd be highly suspicious of a £48 (guessing $90) NAS/computer
 that has such specs to properly run a program like SBS.
 It might be the best NAS device ever put to market, but I'd strongly
 suggest investigating it's specs vs performance.  ;)
You're probably right about the low price implying low specs, but it
could also be priced low because it appears to be a discontinued model.
All they had on the LaCie site was 1TB models and larger.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Tracks finishing early and skipping to next song

2010-07-23 Thread andyg

Can you describe your ALAC files?  What was used to encode them?  Are
they standard 44.1/16 files?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LaCie 500GB d2 Ethernet Disk Mini

2010-07-23 Thread Northumberland

aubuti;563800 Wrote: 
 And you won't know until you find out the hardware specs (CPU, RAM) and
 whether you can get root (admin) access to install SBS. I took a look
 at the product page and specs and they don't give any of that info, so
 you'll have to do more research on places like NAS forums. If that's
 too much trouble, then I expect actually installing SBS on it will also
 be too much trouble for you.

I have a friend who can help me get it set up (a programmer) when I get
a nas, but I dont know what I should be looking for in terms of specs
etc when buying. Can someone tell me what are the minimum specs I need
to be looking for and then I can look for them (or see if this has
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Tracks finishing early and skipping to next song

2010-07-23 Thread matengawhat

andyg;563842 Wrote: 
 Can you describe your ALAC files?  What was used to encode them?  Are
 they standard 44.1/16 files?

i'm not that techie just ripped all my own cds using apple lossless in
itunes and then copied them to the external hard disk - i initially
wondered if it could have been down to the settings on the hd which is
set to go to sleep after 10 mins so I started timing the gaps incase it
was every 10 mins its not some time 2 or 3 mins sometimes 15 but i don't
think i have ever managed to get through a full album without it doing
it at least once. i have tried just playing an album from start to
finish and skips and also tried setting up playlist with ipeng and its
skips when the tracks are in a random order

most of my albums don't have artwork as its not pulled through from
itunes - i have a few where i have manually saved the artwork when
itunes couldn't find it and this artwork is displayed but the problems
are not just assosicated with those albums with artwork


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LaCie 500GB d2 Ethernet Disk Mini

2010-07-23 Thread Northumberland

aubuti;563830 Wrote: 
 You're probably right about the low price implying low specs, but it
 could also be priced low because it appears to be a discontinued model.
 All they had on the LaCie site was 1TB models and larger. (Meanwhile the
 OP has gone XP (crossposter) and put the same question on the SBS
 forum)

I thought in hindsight this may have been posted in the wrong place,
but I didnt know how to move it, so I re-posted it (and said it was a
re-post). Sorry.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LaCie 500GB d2 Ethernet Disk Mini

2010-07-23 Thread aubuti

Dave (Northumberland);563844 Wrote: 
 I have a friend who can help me get it set up (a programmer) when I get
 a nas, but I dont know what I should be looking for in terms of specs
 etc when buying. Can someone tell me what are the minimum specs I need
 to be looking for and then I can look for them (or see if this has
 them).
I have run SBS 7.5 on a LinkStation Pro v1, which has 128MB RAM and a
400MHz ARM CPU. I'd say both are the very bare minimum you could use,
and most people would say that is well below minimum, especially the
RAM. The limitation isn't so much streaming, because it does that fine
to multiple SBs. But scanning the music library is very slow, and the
SBS web ui is very slow. Those limitations didn't bother me so much,
because I got used to not using the web ui (the IR remote and SB
Controller are much better anyway). Also, you don't have to rescan that
often, and when you do, you can just start it and leave it until it's
done.

I think realistically you should be looking for at least 256MB RAM, or
really 512MB. For the CPU I'm not sure, but probably at least 700MHz to
1GHz. 

Make sure that your programmer friend is clearly apprised of what
he/she is getting into. Most NASs are extremely closed systems, to the
point where some serious hacking is involved, and sometimes creating
alternative firmware (all of which invalidates your warranty, btw).
It's rarely as straightforward as opening up a terminal window on the
NAS and issuing some standard commands.

I think a more useful approach for you may be to look at the many NASs
that are already _known_ to work with SBS. Look over in the 3rd Party
Hardware forum and you'll find plenty, including some in the same price
range. In particular you may want to look at the Sheevaplug, especially
if you already have a USB drive that you will use for your music
library. It's inexpensive, powerful enough, demands little electricity,
and is well-supported by the community. Another good option to look at
is the Vortexbox Appliance, although that is more expensive.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LaCie 500GB d2 Ethernet Disk Mini

2010-07-23 Thread Northumberland

aubuti;563857 Wrote: 
 I have run SBS 7.5 on a LinkStation Pro v1, which has 128MB RAM and a
 400MHz ARM CPU. I'd say both are the very bare minimum you could use,
 and most people would say that is well below minimum, especially the
 RAM. The limitation isn't so much streaming, because it does that fine
 to multiple SBs. But scanning the music library is very slow, and the
 SBS web ui is very slow. Those limitations didn't bother me so much,
 because I got used to not using the web ui (the IR remote and SB
 Controller are much better anyway). Also, you don't have to rescan that
 often, and when you do, you can just start it and leave it until it's
 done.
 
 I think realistically you should be looking for at least 256MB RAM, or
 really 512MB. For the CPU I'm not sure, but probably at least 700MHz to
 1GHz. 
 
 Make sure that your programmer friend is clearly apprised of what
 he/she is getting into. Most NASs are extremely closed systems, to the
 point where some serious hacking is involved, and sometimes creating
 alternative firmware (all of which invalidates your warranty, btw).
 It's rarely as straightforward as opening up a terminal window on the
 NAS and issuing some standard commands.
 
 I think a more useful approach for you may be to look at the many NASs
 that are already _known_ to work with SBS. Look over in the 3rd Party
 Hardware forum and you'll find plenty, including some in the same price
 range. In particular you may want to look at the Sheevaplug, especially
 if you already have a USB drive that you will use for your music
 library. It's inexpensive, powerful enough, demands little electricity,
 and is well-supported by the community. Another good option to look at
 is the Vortexbox Appliance, although that is more expensive.
 
 Good luck.

Thanks aubuti, thats the sort of info I was after. Altough I am still
not sure what I am going to get now!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LaCie 500GB d2 Ethernet Disk Mini

2010-07-23 Thread aubuti

I should also add that you shouldn't get too hung up on getting a NAS.
Most of them are closed systems and designed to run file server
software, which is less demanding than SBS. Instead, give a careful
look at low-powered computers, which are more flexible than NASs, more
powerful than most NASs, and sometimes just as energy efficient. And
just like a NAS you can run them headless (with no monitor, keyboard,
or mouse), instead logging in from another computer. And don't forget
that NASs are simply low-powered, specialized computers.

Which reminds me...you posted in the SBS forum that you're planning to
connect the NAS directly to the Touch, with no home network. How are
you planning to put your music on the NAS? Disconnect it from the
Touch, connect it to your computer, transfer files, then reconnect it
to the Touch? That's certainly doing things the hard way. You would
also be giving up a lot of the control of SBS, since if the NAS isn't
on a home network then the only way you can connect to it is through
the Touch. The Touch simply doesn't have the UI for a lot of the
settings you might like to configure on whatever device you have
running SBS. 

Presumably you have your reasons for wanting to do things this way, but
I don't really get it yet.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LaCie 500GB d2 Ethernet Disk Mini

2010-07-23 Thread Northumberland

aubuti;563864 Wrote: 
 I should also add that you shouldn't get too hung up on getting a NAS.
 Most of them are closed systems and designed to run file server
 software, which is less demanding than SBS. Instead, give a careful
 look at low-powered computers, which are more flexible than NASs, more
 powerful than most NASs, and sometimes just as energy efficient. And
 just like a NAS you can run them headless (with no monitor, keyboard,
 or mouse), instead logging in from another computer. And don't forget
 that NASs are simply low-powered, specialized computers.
 
 Which reminds me...you posted in the SBS forum that you're planning to
 connect the NAS directly to the Touch, with no home network. How are
 you planning to put your music on the NAS? Disconnect it from the
 Touch, connect it to your computer, transfer files, then reconnect it
 to the Touch? That's certainly doing things the hard way. You would
 also be giving up a lot of the control of SBS, since if the NAS isn't
 on a home network then the only way you can connect to it is through
 the Touch. The Touch simply doesn't have the UI for a lot of the
 settings you might like to configure on whatever device you have
 running SBS. 
 
 Presumably you have your reasons for wanting to do things this way, but
 I don't really get it yet.

I got the Touch with the intention of using it as a stand alone source
in a relatively high end hifi (its by far the cheapest part). I have a
very good audio configured PC already but I want something I can just
play music from without having to wait for something to boot up, as
well as being totally fanless (silent) for late night low volume
listening. Although I do get a lot of new music I am happy to transfer
across to a nas drive like this once a weeks or so.

I may get round to setting up a home network in a few months after I
have moved house, the benefits long term are probably worth the
cost/hassle of sorting it out. I havnt even installed SBS on my PC so I
am oblivious to any advanced feature, although I would probably never
use them as I just want out and out sound quality and im not bothered
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Tracks finishing early and skipping to next song

2010-07-23 Thread tony.s

The issue still happens to me under 7.6... wouldn't the fix in 7.5.2
have been carried foward.  Also now that I'm. Using 7.6 how so I revert
to 7.5.2?

Thanks
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LaCie 500GB d2 Ethernet Disk Mini

2010-07-23 Thread Northumberland

aubuti;563882 Wrote: 
 If you think that sound quality is not affected by server settings
 (which you dismiss as features) then you need to learn more about SBS.
 One simple example is the lively debate on whether you get better sound
 quality by decoding on the server or on the Touch, which is determined
 by SBS settings that you cannot access via the Touch. Once you start
 using SBS you'll learn more.

I will look into it more thoroughly when its all set up. If it makes it
sound better im all for it, I had no idea about external decoding
debate!

The Touch is great, but I am hoping they sort something out to replace
the transporter that can handle a local library of files without a
network. Or, Linn start making something thats a bit more plug and play
than their DS stuff.

PS. I had my Touch with an old Tag Mclaren DAC up against a friends £3k
Linn DS and the Touch kicked the Linns  ass. Better soundstage, much
tighter Bass, just better all round (2 others also agreed). I was
surprised due to the massive price difference.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB drive + SB Touch, any chance of luck?

2010-07-23 Thread Shahab

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-07-23 Thread Leigh

How difficult would it be to simply upsample 24/44.1 material and the
mix in some supersonic noise to make it look like it's hirez?

I presume these upsampled tracks were discovered when someone found
there was no energy above 44.1 (or 48) kHz.

As far as I know there is no sure-fire test for whether a source is
hirez anyway.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Tracks finishing early and skipping to next song

2010-07-23 Thread metalbob

I updated my firmware and it seems to be happening sporadically at this
point.  Some tracks it truncates, some it doesn't.  I am also having an
issue with the the first track of any CD dropping out after about 10
seconds.  I think this thing just doesn't buffer well enough to handle
ALAC files (not sure about other large files).  

The Touch just doesn't seem to have the memory it should to pull of
what it is supposed to do.  The fanboys on here can go on and on how
it's unfair that us USB connector users are badmouthing the product,
but plain and simple - this thing does not work well at all. I bought
the Touch so that I didn't have to have a computer running constantly
to use this type of device.  That seems to be the only way this works
as it should.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-07-23 Thread mortslim

Over a year ago, the same issues were disclosed on the following forum:

http://www.sa-cd.net/forum

Use that forum's search box for “BIS thread” and then click to the
appropriate pages cited below:

(BIS is the name of a record label and “bissie” is Robert von Bahr,
CEO, BIS Records)

(“Bruce” is the owner of Puget Sound Studios)

Thread: BIS thread, page 61
June 12, 2009


Post by bissie June 9, 2009 (606 of 1549)


HDtracks said:

Concerning the issue of HDtracks selling BIS content at 88.2/24 and the
content of our high resolution store in general, all hi-res content on
HDtracks is native hi-res.

We have conversion charts posted on our welcome page for our hi-res
store. HDtracks receives files in 88/24, 96/24, 176/24, 192/24 and DSD
(SACD). All DSD files must be converted to PCM because the web does not
support DSD (SACD).

HDtracks has done extensive listening tests to find the best way to
convert there formats. We believe that in double blind listening tests
on the best equipment one cannot tell the native file from the HDtracks
files.

The HDtracks Team

Hi, HDtracks,

before anyone else tells you, let me do it.
We do record most of our SACD:s in 44,1/24.
We delivered physical SACD:s to you, (Edit: via our contact person in
the US) which were, of course, upsampled to DSD.
You reconverted them to 88,2/24 and, if I understand correctly, charge
a premium for them as against 44,1/24.

This shouldn't be.

Very best - Robert (von Bahr, CEO, BIS Records).






Post by canonical June 9, 2009 (608 of 1549)


In case anyone is wondering what brought about the above 3 posts ...

I was browsing the HDTracks site a short time ago, and was surprised to
notice that HDTracks were still selling BIS recordings in their hi-rez
96 kHz store ... 3 weeks after this issue erupted here. So, I popped
off an email to HDTracks, asking them to clarify the matter.

I got back a response almost immediately ... they appeared to be
completely unaware of the matter. 
To their credit, they acted immediately to fix the matter up ...
literally within about 20 minutes of my emailing them ...

Here is their reply ...

===

Thank you for your email and pointing this out to us. We take this
matter very seriously and we have removed the BIS catalog from our
hi-res store while we get to the bottom of this. In our negotiations
with our label partners, for hi-res content, we have asked that they
provide us with native hi-res content only. We have made it clear that
we only want native hi-res files and nothing else, nothing upsampled
and we trusted our partners to provide us with this. Unfortunately,
thanks to you and the others on the SA-CD.net forum, it has been
brought to our attention that it appears that this is not the case.

We are currently in the process of contacting our label partners to
reconfirm that what they have sent us is in fact native hi-res. If we
find out that they are not, they will be taken off of our hi-res
section of the site immediately. Please be assured that HDtracks would
not and will not intentionally sell anything in the hi-res store that
is not native hi-res.

Again, thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Sincerely,
The HDtracks Team


Post by bissie June 9, 2009 (609 of 1549)


canonical said:

In case anyone is wondering what brought about the above 3 posts ...

I was browsing the HDTracks site a short time ago, and was surprised to
notice that HDTracks were still selling BIS recordings in their hi-rez
96 kHz store ... 3 weeks after this issue erupted here. So, I popped
off an email to HDTracks, asking them to clarify the matter.

I got back a response almost immediately ... they appeared to be
completely unaware of the matter. 
To their credit, they acted immediately to fix the matter up ...
literally within about 20 minutes of my emailing them ...

Here is their reply ...

===

Thank you for your email and pointing this out to us. We take this
matter very seriously and we have removed the BIS catalog from our
hi-res store while we get to the bottom of this. In our negotiations
with our label partners, for hi-res content, we have asked that they
provide us with native hi-res content only. We have made it clear that
we only want native hi-res files and nothing else, nothing upsampled
and we trusted our partners to provide us with this. Unfortunately,
thanks to you and the others on the SA-CD.net forum, it has been
brought to our attention that it appears that this is not the case.

We are currently in the process of contacting our label partners to
reconfirm that what they have sent us is in fact native hi-res. If we
find out that they are not, they will be taken off of our hi-res
section of the site immediately. Please be assured that HDtracks would
not and will not intentionally sell anything in the 

[SlimDevices: Touch] new user favorites question

2010-07-23 Thread franklyfred

Just got a touch today. Is there anyway to set a favorite on internet
radio stations say shoutcast so that computer does not have to be on.
Kinda confusing with SB server and my SB.com. Have a roku M1001 and you
easily could add stations to favs or presets. Whats the tricks. Thanks


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2010-07-23 Thread mortslim

I’ve distilled down to its essence the two most important comments (from
my above post) that were posted a year ago on another website from the
owner of BIS Records as to HDTracks’ knowledge:

June 12, 2009
Hi, HDtracks,

before anyone else tells you, let me do it.
We do record most of our SACD:s in 44,1/24.
We delivered physical SACD:s to you, (Edit: via our contact person in
the US) which were, of course, upsampled to DSD.
You reconverted them to 88,2/24 and, if I understand correctly, charge
a premium for them as against 44,1/24.

This shouldn't be.

Very best - Robert (von Bahr, CEO, BIS Records).

If they were unaware of the matter, they must have stopped reading
emails.
Immediately when this question was raised, I contacted our
representative in the US (who negotiated the deal) and told her to
please inform HDtracks immediately that they are selling 44,1 as 88,2.
She said she did, twice. We have no direct contact whatsoever with
HDtracks or any other DSP - for that we use an intermediary company.

Since 44,1/24 still is considered Hires I don't see any other problems.


Robert


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2010-07-23 Thread mortslim

Here are the similar comments by Bruce a year apart from each other:

June 12, 2009
When we did the DSD transfers of the BIS label, we did not listen to
all of the discs. We had over a hundred SACD's to rip in a week. We had
no way of knowing or even questioning the source data. We have had
SACD's that come in here sounding like crap even though the source
files were pure DSD.
No one is to blame here. HDtracks was as clueless as we were. 

Regards,
Bruce

07-16-2010 
I'm finding more and more labels that take the RBCD layer and just
upsample it to DSD and call it an SACD. I've checked almost a hundred
today for HDtracks and over half are upsampled. Go figure

Regards, 
Bruce A. Brown
Puget Sound Studios
Seattle, WA


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LaCie 500GB d2 Ethernet Disk Mini

2010-07-23 Thread JohnSwenson

Dave (Northumberland);563900 Wrote: 
 I will look into it more thoroughly when its all set up. If it makes it
 sound better im all for it, I had no idea about external decoding
 debate!
 
 The Touch is great, but I am hoping they sort something out to replace
 the transporter that can handle a local library of files without a
 network. Or, Linn start making something thats a bit more plug and play
 than their DS stuff.
 
 PS. I had my Touch with an old Tag Mclaren DAC up against a friends £3k
 Linn DS and the Touch kicked the Linns  ass. Better soundstage, much
 tighter Bass, just better all round (2 others also agreed). I was
 surprised due to the massive price difference.

I was going to recommend a vortexbox micro appliance, its about the
size of your hand, no fans, a 500G disk and a very nice atom processor
and plenty of memory. It comes with linux and SBS preinstalled. It uses
5 watts. Its actually smaller than many USB drives. Its the easiest way
in the universe to get an external server up and running.

But unfortunately they seemed to have stopped making it! They just have
its big brother, the regular vortexbox appliance with a 1TB disk and
optical drive for ripping. That one DOES have a fan. Its designed to be
used in away from the listening position connected over a network. 

Now you CAN build your own micro appliance, its built on the FitPC2
which you can buy from Amazon. But that only comes with a 160G disk (or
no disk) so if you want more than 160G you would have to put in a larger
capacity disk. (installing a disk is quite easy). The other part is
loading the vortexbox software (which includes SBS). Right now the only
way to install it is with a CD, but the fitPC2 is tool small to have a
CD, so you have to use a USB CD drive. You don't need it for operation,
just installation.

Other than that its a piece of cake!

Anyway its a thought if you want something small, low power and
fanless.

John S.


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