Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?

2010-08-03 Thread Mnyb

garym;566440 Wrote: 
> agree. I would not want my players to automatically switch to mysb.com
> if playing internet radio.  In my opinion, the best approach is to have
> a computer on 24/7 (even a tiny computer like a sheevaplug) and ALWAYS
> use SbS. You can do anything you can do from mysb.com if you simply
> stay on SbS at all times.

Yes sbs is better at webradio than mysb.com

You gets things like transcoding ! playing an AAC stream on your SB3 or
BOOM anyone ?

And if you sync all players sbs pulls *one* stream and proxy it around
to all players .

Conecting to mysb.com will bug your alarm settings...

And ofcourse have the better web-UI of sbs, plugins etc.

And as sbs is doing the heavy lifting only using mysb.com in the
backround for some necesseties it actually works ! mysb.com can be slow
and have latencies .
Note that older kind's of players like SB3 and BOOM is completely
driven by their server (local or mysb.com), they are slim devices even
the menu's and scrolling etc is done by the server + all now playing
screens, ir commands just pass trough the device and then the server
acts upon them.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] operating question about power-off

2010-08-03 Thread JohnSwenson

Thats what EXT3 is all about. It takes care of the case of a shutdown in
the middle of something going on, it works. 

I have a headless system with an EXT3 formatted drive that gets turned
off by flipping the switch on a power strip. It has been turned off
many hundreds of times without a single corruption. 

If its writing a file when the plug is pulled it may not have proper
"end of file" records or whatever in place, but the file system will
not be corrupted. 

For example if you put a EXT3 disk on the Touch, and pull the plug in
the middle of a scan, the scan will not be complete, but the file
system will be fine. But if you manually stop the server in the middle
of a scan you also have an incomplete scan. 

John S.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?

2010-08-03 Thread garym

aubuti;566381 Wrote: 
> One reason for not doing that automatically is that some users like to
> retain the use of plugins (note plugins, not applets), which are only
> available with a local SBS, not with mysb.com. There are probably other
> reasons, but that's the first one that comes to mind at present.

agree. I would not want my players to automatically switch to mysb.com
if playing internet radio.  In my opinion, the best approach is to have
a computer on 24/7 (even a tiny computer like a sheevaplug) and ALWAYS
use SbS. You can do anything you can do from mysb.com if you simply
stay on SbS at all times.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] operating question about power-off

2010-08-03 Thread Siegfried Löffler
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:49 PM, snarlydwarf <
snarlydwarf.4f4yxb1280868...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

>
> Siegfried Löffler;566396 Wrote:
> Linux has nothing to do with it.
>
> Yanking power from ANY drive that is potentially being written to is
> bad.
>

That's true - but as in general I do know when I would write, I could live
with that.

Shutting down an ext2 fs without doing shutdown would not be good at all.

Yes you are in theory right and even for a VFAT filesystem you'd better shut
down - however, FAT file systems are less fragile, in the old DOS days there
was no shutdown... So yes, Linux HAS something to do with that. Or better:
Any multitasking OS ... Not that I would now say we should build a touch
version on MS-DOS... but still it's an unsolved issue. ( A potential
solution could be to mount all FS in Read Only and only have a /tmp in read
write that is reformatted at every boot.)

Anyhow: The point is, there is no good solution so far for powering the
stuff fully down. The power cord for 5$ certainly is not a good solution. So
I will probably just leave it switched on. And I can live with that if I can
manage to make the USB drive on the Touch work. However, getting it to work
is a nightmare with all these bugs in the scanner, memory limitations,
drives getting mounted read-only. I already spent several evenings, and for
the time being the only working solution I have is to have my PC running as
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] operating question about power-off

2010-08-03 Thread snarlydwarf

Siegfried Löffler;566396 Wrote: 
> 
> Yeah - but then you radically would switch off a Linux system without
> properly shutting down the file systems etc. - it would only be a
> question
> of time and you would end up with corrupted file systems. That's
> exactly
> what I mean: No easy solution with Linux based architecture to
> shutdown
> completely.
> 
> Don't get me wrong - I still like the Linux based architecture very
> much. I
> just don't think that in terms of "green" it is the best solution
> mankind
> will ever find...

Linux has nothing to do with it.

Yanking power from ANY drive that is potentially being written to is
bad.

What happens when you're mid-write and the drive loses power for any
reason?  Do you think the drive has some reserve power backup to ensure
the write is completed before spinning down?  What happens when the
drive is only able to write half a sector before the power is gone?

This has nothing to do with the OS: it is the nature of mechanical
media (especially, though an SSD would have a similar problem if power
is removed at the wrong time -- it just has a smaller window since it
is faster writing).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] operating question about power-off

2010-08-03 Thread Siegfried Löffler
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:44 PM, snarlydwarf <
snarlydwarf.4f4fan1280843...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

> A power strip costs $5 and gives you a switch.
>
> There you go, your problem is solved.
>
>
Yeah - but then you radically would switch off a Linux system without
properly shutting down the file systems etc. - it would only be a question
of time and you would end up with corrupted file systems. That's exactly
what I mean: No easy solution with Linux based architecture to shutdown
completely.

Don't get me wrong - I still like the Linux based architecture very much. I
just don't think that in terms of "green" it is the best solution mankind
will ever find...
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?

2010-08-03 Thread toby10

On Touch add "switch to MySB" to the home menu, then you can quickly and
easily switch to MySB before starting a radio session.
To get back to your local music just go to My Music and your local
server will be offered (assuming it is running).

I cannot say if the Controller has a "switch to MySB" option.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?

2010-08-03 Thread aubuti

Mars Warrior;566374 Wrote: 
> Leaves me to one question: why doesn't the Touch (and/or Controller)
> switch to MySB while playing internetradio so that the server can go
> hibernate?
One reason for not doing that automatically is that some users like to
retain the use of plugins (note plugins, not applets), which are only
available with a local SBS, not with mysb.com. There are probably other
reasons, but that's the first one that comes to mind at present.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?

2010-08-03 Thread JohnSwenson

Mars Warrior;566374 Wrote: 
> Right ;)
> Why the Controller keeps waking-up my server in some situations is
> still not clear to me, but I guess once I can reproduce the problem,
> the solution is around the corner...
> 

One possibility is time. Squeezeplay devices (the SBC is one) try and
sync their internal clock to the server clock every hour. 

John S.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?

2010-08-03 Thread Mars Warrior

Right ;)

Since I learned some new features, I had to test them:
- I manually connected the Controller to MySB, and WOW, I can add
favourites which do show up on MySB (checked using web browser on PC)
- While the Controller is connected to MySB, I can control the Touch
(stations, volume etc.)
- While the server is turned off, I can now select (the previously
stored) favourites.

But I'm also understanding (bit-by-bit) more why I was confused why I
would need the server for just the above things: If I connect to my
music library on the server, I can do exactly the same things, but
everything is running 'through' the server of which I wasn't aware off:
I thought it would directly connect to the internet. On top of that, the
Controller remembers that it was connected to the music library on the
server, and tries to reconnect, even for playing internet radio or
accessing favourites on MySB.

The iPhone isn't in at the moment, but I assume that one works the same
once connected to MySB instead of my music library on the server.

Why the Controller keeps waking-up my server in some situations is
still not clear to me, but I guess once I can reproduce the problem,
the solution is around the corner...

Leaves me to one question: why doesn't the Touch (and/or Controller)
switch to MySB while playing internetradio so that the server can go
hibernate?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SBS stops from time to time

2010-08-03 Thread mdm

albertbope;566279 Wrote: 
> Thanks Mike but I would like to keep embedded images in my mp3 files
> cause I like to have album art in my ipod or whatever.

ok, but if you fail to find a bypass 1TB HDD is about $100. You can
maintain Touch adopted version of your library... you need a backup
anyway.
I have 2TB mirrored NAS for backup and 1Tb HDD carefully setup to run
my Touch without all those issues.

Cheers,
Mike.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SBS stops from time to time

2010-08-03 Thread snarlydwarf

albertbope;566279 Wrote: 
> Thanks Mike but I would like to keep embedded images in my mp3 files
> cause I like to have album art in my ipod or whatever. To create my mp3
> tags I use Tag&rename, and I can't do what you say in Mp3tag, which I
> guess is not a free program. I don t want to be stubborn but I don't
> know why I think there must be a way to solve this issue 
> Thanks

mp3tag is free.  The good one anyway.

http://mp3tag.de/en/index.html

It's donationware.  Donate 'something' via paypal if you want to buy
the author a beer.

There is another program with the same name, but it isn't the one you
want.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?

2010-08-03 Thread Mnyb

Mars Warrior;566315 Wrote: 
> 
> What I see on the Controller, is that the Controller still thinks that
> the Touch is playing some radio station, although I just turned off the
> Touch...
> I hope Wireshark will show me what the Controller is doing in that
> case...

Was Touch playing from the local server, then the controller gets it's
info from that server too (not directly from the Touch), so when it
sleeps or get turned of naturally controller wont get any status update
regarding what the Touch is doing .

In generall any device ir-remote controller webpage iPhone ,what not .
controlls any player (all of them since slimp3 including softplayers on
your computers) via the server .


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?

2010-08-03 Thread aubuti

One other thing to try. If you have enabled audio playback on the SBC
itself, try disabling it. Even if it is enabled it should not wake up
the server, but maybe it is. It is normal for it to look for a server
after you power yours down, but shouldn't be so agressive as to send
WOL packets.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Long Interconnect cables

2010-08-03 Thread iPhone

Blazer;565218 Wrote: 
> iPhone... I see that you are using Vandersteen 3A Sigs. I have an older
> pair of 3As that I will soon ship to Vandersteen for upgrading. I am
> currently using a Manley Jumbo Shrimp pre-amp, Ayre V-3 power-amp and a
> Pioneer PD65 CD player. I also have a vinyl rig. I am considering adding
> the Touch to stream FLAK files from my PC. Thanks for your input.

You will really enjoy the difference when you get the Sigs back. Also,
if you can add at least one 2Wq to your system you will be further
amazed. While adding two 2Wq's to a pair of Vandersteen 3A Signatures
makes a poor man's Quatro. I also like driving Ayre gear with tubes
(that best of both worlds deal). My vinyl setup is a VPI Scoutmaster.
And the Manley is a great tube pre-amp in a minimalist setup. But alas,
I am running Balanced all the way: Transporter to VTL to Ayre MX-R. Of
course Manley and VTL all start from the same point, David Manley.

The Touch playing FLAC over your system should sound great. I can
almost guarantee that you will stop using your CDP once all your CDs
are ripped to FLAC.


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Living Room:
Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?

2010-08-03 Thread Mars Warrior

aubuti;566310 Wrote: 
> Sorry, I thought you were trying to stop your server from waking up. If
> you really want to tackle it at the source, you can take a look at the
> traffic with Wireshark (or similar tool) to see what the cause is for
> the SBC to be sending magic packets. 
> 
Yes, I'm trying to stop my server from waking up, and I know for sure
it's the Controller because if I shutdown the Controller, the server
keeps sleeping/hibernating.
Once I switch the Touch on again, the server is woken again (WOL works
perfectly with the Touch!).
I will however follow your advice and check the magic packets send to
the server...
> 
> To be honest, I haven't been following the ups and downs of WOL on the
> SBC since 7.3.3. There was a time when you couldn't get the SBC to send
> a WOL packet, and now you're having the opposite problem. Fyi, one
> typical reason to wake the server (but not constantly) when there is no
> player active is in advance of triggering an alarm.
AFAIK I have no alarms set, but will check that once again.
What I see on the Controller, is that the Controller still thinks that
the Touch is playing some radio station, although I just turned off the
Touch...
I hope Wireshark will show me what the Controller is doing in that
case...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Long Interconnect cables

2010-08-03 Thread mooblie

Waldo Pepper;566304 Wrote: 
> Long runs of speaker cables are a different matter completely, but is
> still very subjective to the listener.
Really?  I'd rather use a 20' run of speaker cable than a 20' run of
unbalanced RCA/phono screened cable anyday.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?

2010-08-03 Thread aubuti

Mars Warrior;566306 Wrote: 
> That might be the case, but I can shutdown the Touch also from other
> places (iPeng, PC and the Touch itself), so I find it to be an annoying
> bug in the Controller which I want to get rid off...
> 
> Wouldn't it be weird if you push the off button on your TV, Stereo or
> VCR and that some remote turns it on again, because you didn't turn
> your TV/Stereo/VCR off using that specific remote?
> 
> Remember that I turned the Touch off, so even if the Controller got
> confused by that simple action, it should see that there are NO players
> active, or at least not the player it was previously connected to.
> 
> So what would be the reasoning behind waking-up the server constantly
> while no player is active?
Sorry, I thought you were trying to stop your server from waking up. If
you really want to tackle it at the source, you can take a look at the
traffic with Wireshark (or similar tool) to see what the cause is for
the SBC to be sending magic packets. 

To be honest, I haven't been following the ups and downs of WOL on the
SBC since 7.3.3. There was a time when you couldn't get the SBC to send
a WOL packet, and now you're having the opposite problem. Fyi, one
typical reason to wake the server (but not constantly) when there is no
player active is in advance of triggering an alarm.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] operating question about power-off

2010-08-03 Thread aubuti

Mchl;566061 Wrote: 
> I apologize for having been offensive. Here's a list of Average power
> per capita, though:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption
Hmm. First you say "-Man, americans!-", and then you post a link
showing higher per capita electricity consumption in Iceland, Norway,
Finland, Canada, Qatar, Sweden, Luxembourg, and Kuwait. I'm confused. 

(Not really -- I know yanks consume too much energy. I just don't see
why you dragged out evidence _against_ the point you were trying to
make.)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?

2010-08-03 Thread Mars Warrior

aubuti;566295 Wrote: 
> If you connect the SBC to mysb.com before shutting down the server I
> would expect that problem to go away as well.
That might be the case, but I can shutdown the Touch also from other
places (iPeng, PC and the Touch itself), so I find it to be an annoying
bug in the Controller which I want to get rid off...

Wouldn't it be weird if you push the off button on your TV, Stereo or
VCR and that some remote turns it on again, because you didn't turn
your TV/Stereo/VCR off using that specific remote?

Remember that I turned the Touch off, so even if the Controller got
confused by that simple action, it should see that there are NO players
active, or at least not the player it was previously connected to.

So what would be the reasoning behind waking-up the server constantly
while no player is active?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Long Interconnect cables

2010-08-03 Thread Waldo Pepper

I have used long interconnects over the years for many setups and had no
problems whatsoever.
I do not see any reason whatsoever why the ability of a Touch to drive
a signal down 20ft of cable should be any different to other devices as
long as the cable is screened and of reasonable quality. i.e. Not Bell
Wire.

Don't bother with any of that oxygen free rubbish as that's just a
sales pitch by those who do not understand.

Long runs of speaker cables are a different matter completely, but is
still very subjective to the listener.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] operating question about power-off

2010-08-03 Thread snarlydwarf

Siegfried Löffler;566244 Wrote: 
> > No.  It has nothing at all to do with Linux.
> >
> > 1) If you turn off a device with a remote, and it is -really- off:
> how
> > will you turn it back on?  It's off: it has no IR sensor waiting for
> >
> 
> By pressing a physical button. Not with a remote control. Honestly, I
> could
> live with that. And I would prefer it.
> 

A power strip costs $5 and gives you a switch.

There you go, your problem is solved.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server

2010-08-03 Thread toby10

1.  Yes, using either MySB.com or Touch's built in server
2.  Yes, just point the Radio to the Touch from Radio > My Music >
Touch


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[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server

2010-08-03 Thread Waldo Pepper

I am currently loathed to have a PC running 24/7 (at the moment) to be
used as a server, however...

I am about to purchase a Squeezebox Radio and have a few questions.
I have a Touch and it uses a USB disk with all my music on it. I use it
for streaming Internet radio to my HiFi too.

1) Am I correct in assuming a SB radio can use the Internet to stream
possibly different radio stations to those my Touch maybe using in
another room via my router at the same time?

2) Is there anyway to get the touch to act as a music server for itself
and the SB radio.

TIA


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?

2010-08-03 Thread aubuti

Mars Warrior;566242 Wrote: 
> Leaves me with the Controller waking-up the server problem while the
> Touch is shutdown, ie no player active...
If you connect the SBC to mysb.com before shutting down the server I
would expect that problem to go away as well.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SBS stops from time to time

2010-08-03 Thread albertbope

Thanks Mike but I would like to keep embedded images in my mp3 files
cause I like to have album art in my ipod or whatever. To create my mp3
tags I use Tag&rename, and I can't do what you say in Mp3tag, which I
guess is not a free program. I don t want to be stubborn but I don't
know why I think there must be a way to solve this issue 
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch: flickering screen.

2010-08-03 Thread qball

I am gonna get a warranty replacement.  Thanks.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Music Folder "empty" problem

2010-08-03 Thread elgian8

I have the same problem with music by folder.
My music is on a Seagate Freeagent Desktop 640GB External Hard.
Althouth i clean and rescan the cache the music by folder doesnt follow
it.
The music by artist, album,genre etc are ok.
Any suggestions?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SBS stops from time to time

2010-08-03 Thread mdm

albertbope;566255 Wrote: 
> 
> I got about 3.000 albums and resizing images and again embedding cover
> to mp3 files is a hell of a job, Ive been working on this library about
> 2 years and this would mean one year more at least.
> 

Look, you don't realy need to embed images back to your mp3's. Just put
cover.jpg in each album folder, then using mp3tag editor delete all
embedded images from your library. I've never use mp3tag but sure it
can do that job for you. I did about the same. My cover.jpg's were
1500x1500 so I manualy resized them and it took not more than a few
days. I've got aprox 700GB of musuic, never counted the number of
albums though, but think that quite a lot. 

Cheers,
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SBS stops from time to time

2010-08-03 Thread albertbope

As I see there is no other way than to reduce sizes from cover files to
less than 120 kb. Knowing that I probably used image files larger than
500 kb, thah those were gif, jpg and even BMP, that in some album
folders I saved pdf of lyrics and stuff...I reconsidering what to do, I
got about 3.000 albums and resizing images and again embedding cover to
mp3 files is a hell of a job, Ive been working on this library about 2
years and this would mean one year more at least.
It's ridiculous that an ipod library can manage all that stuff with no
problem and a device like Squeezebox which looks more powerful got so
many problems. Is there a way to insert tha itunes library to
squeezebox? or anybody has a better idea?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch: Playing silence and then scrolling...

2010-08-03 Thread AlmaataKZ

aha, thank you! 
some of my files are indeed protected aac's from the itunes music
store. And yesterday when it stopepd again I think it was in fact one
of the drm tracks from the itunes store...

If that is the reason, I accept the Touch would not play them. But how
to make it just skip them and play the next one, instead of going
silent for an hour and scrolling??? Is there a way to avoid this?

If drm is not the reason, what else could it be?


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[SlimDevices: Touch] How to turn on a swapfile?

2010-08-03 Thread dg1sek

My SB Touch consistently crashes with "out of memory" errors when I try
to scan my whole library of MP3s on an external USB drive.

I noted that it is configured without a swapfile. But I can't find the
"makeswap" "swapon" etc commands - anybody has found a solution?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] operating question about power-off

2010-08-03 Thread Siegfried Löffler
> No.  It has nothing at all to do with Linux.
>
> 1) If you turn off a device with a remote, and it is -really- off: how
> will you turn it back on?  It's off: it has no IR sensor waiting for
>

By pressing a physical button. Not with a remote control. Honestly, I could
live with that. And I would prefer it.


> 2) A SB Touch can serve multiple players: if you turn 'off' the Touch
> in the living room, you won't be able to play music it was serving to
> the Radio in the Kitchen.  It's off.  It doesn't do anything when off.
> People would be very annoyed.
>

It could, but that very function is so buggy that it takes days to get it
working.
And it would be a lame excuse. One could still make that a choice that the
end user makes. I would even be willing to physically press the button in
the living room on the (few) days where I want the Touch to serve another SB
in the kitchen...

And yes, maybe you won't believe it, but I do physically switch of my TV
set. For the same reason. I rarely watch TV anyhow and I would be pissed off
with the device being responsible for pollution...
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch needs server for various things?

2010-08-03 Thread Mars Warrior

Weird. I'm almost certain that I did try that, connecting the
controllers/iPeng to MySB!
I have to try that again.

Storing favorites on MySB is an unknown feature to me, but would indeed
solve the problems for me. Must try that also.

Leaves me with the Controller waking-up the server problem while the
Touch is shutdown, ie no player active...

Thanx for all the answers!


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