Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Playing ANY flac file as PCM has stopped working

2011-04-17 Thread stillwaterz

Thanks for the replies.
No I did not change anything else. I only installed the SB software
from QPKG and installed the mods from Soundcheck. I changed the FLAC
format setting to use PCM instead and this worked even for 96khz flac
files. I could tell by the indicator on my DAC (my SB streams to DAC
via SPDIF, digital output only).

By the way the CPU of the QNAP seems to have little trouble when
playing PCM, it never goes beyond 5 / 10 percent load.

But if it is true that this PCM is not really supporting 96Khz at all,
I will change the Format setting to original again. 

Just to be sure, I will re-install SB Server.


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[SlimDevices: Touch] Artist list should display ARTISTSORT instead of ARTIST

2011-04-17 Thread marquaro

Hi,

is there a simple way to configure the SB touch to display ARTISTSORT
instead of ARTIST in the artist list?

As an Example:
I use ARTIST=Tori Amos and ARTISTSORT=Amos, Tori

If I browse now through artist, I get the correct sort order but it is
just painful reading the ARTIST instead of ARTISTSORT.

Tori Amos
Animal
Keren Ann

I really would like to have this list displaying ARTISTSORT
Amos, Tori
Animal
Ann, Keren

Now you could argue to set ARTIST=Amos, Tori. The downside is that I
really like the title displayed correct with Tori Amos

Am I missing somehting???

Thanks!

Olli


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Playing ANY flac file as PCM has stopped working

2011-04-17 Thread Mnyb

Touch palys 96k natively so it should not be a problem 192k migth be if
the server is not fit for it (but there is no point with 192k download
96k instead)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ok dumb audio question

2011-04-17 Thread bitstopjoe

Thank you Ralph. I already have a SB Radio which I enjoy and HAD a Boom,
3 of them in fact and all had muddy sound. Thankfully Logotech took care
of it and gave me a Touch instead. 
As far as the EAD and Touch go. The EAD/Touch combo sounds better to
me than just the Touch alone. I will ask if the EAD update allows 24
bit and if not I will have to look elsewhere. Any suggestions on a good
albeit inexpensive DAC? Or are the inexpensive ones no better than what
I have right now with the EAD ( which cost over 2k in the early 90's)
or the Touch alone?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ok dumb audio question

2011-04-17 Thread bitstopjoe

Mnyb;625880 Wrote: 
 Could be interesting Touch's DAC chip is most likely superior, but then
 again it's much more to it in a complete DAC implementation, it is also
 a passive pre involved ?
 
 have fun

Yes I am using a Mod Squad Deluxe Line Drive which is a passive
preamp
As of right now I am getting used to the EAD/Touch combo and to me it
sounds better than the Touch alone. I will go back to the analog of the
touch after a while. I assume one can have both outputs ( Digital and
analog) connected at the same time? Maybe I will do that and just
switch between the two.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ok dumb audio question

2011-04-17 Thread Mnyb

bitstopjoe;625924 Wrote: 
 Yes I am using a Mod Squad Deluxe Line Drive which is a passive
 preamp
 As of right now I am getting used to the EAD/Touch combo and to me it
 sounds better than the Touch alone. I will go back to the analog of the
 touch after a while. I assume one can have both outputs ( Digital and
 analog) connected at the same time? Maybe I will do that and just
 switch between the two.

Yes you can, what I'm saying is that the EAD migth have better analog
outputs clock circuits power suplies etc etc, people do emphasize the
DAC chip to much it is the complete solution that counts in the end, it
is even so that audiophiles ponder to much over components it is the
totality of the circuit design that makes the product, a component
could be perfect for one application and bad for another Boutique
component swapping goes nowhere (it is more likely to make the product
worse if it was a good design to begin with)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New 'store to favorites' issue (internet radio)

2011-04-17 Thread toby10

ppopp Wrote: 
I wish I could just add them to my favorites. Trouble is, when I
 select it to do this, nothing gets stored.

Works fine for me.  Are you sure you are not connected to MySB.com when
you select Add to Favorites then you are looking for that station on
SBS Favorites?
Or vice verse?  (on SBS but looking for station on MySB Favorites)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ok dumb audio question

2011-04-17 Thread ralphpnj

bitstopjoe;625923 Wrote: 
 Thank you Ralph. I already have a SB Radio which I enjoy and HAD a Boom,
 3 of them in fact and all had muddy sound. Thankfully Logotech took care
 of it and gave me a Touch instead. 
 As far as the EAD and Touch go. The EAD/Touch combo sounds better to
 me than just the Touch alone. I will ask if the EAD update allows 24
 bit and if not I will have to look elsewhere. Any suggestions on a good
 albeit inexpensive DAC? Or are the inexpensive ones no better than what
 I have right now with the EAD ( which cost over 2k in the early 90's)
 or the Touch alone?

There are several on this forum which discuss the sound of the Touch's
DAC versus several different Touch/external DAC combos. I suggest you
read through a couple of these threads.

Unfortunately for owners of older and expensive DACs one area in audio
which has undergone vast changes the past 15 to 20 years is the
external DAC market. Apparently there are several under $1K DACs which
can hold their own against mega-buck DACs from the 1980s and 1990s and
often, due their newer designs and chip sets, are even capable then the
older units, For example most newer DACs can handle the higher sampling
rates (88.2kHz and above) and greater bit depth (24 bit and sometimes
even 32 bit) of today's high resolution digital audio files.

Just remember that most of the concerns regarding your EAD are about
its inability to handle 24 bit files, which may not even be the case
since the EAD may in fact be able to play 24 bit files but only using
20 bits. I would check with EAD about how your DAC handles 24 bit
files. then again if you don't have any 24 bit files then you have
little to worry about.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ok dumb audio question

2011-04-17 Thread Mnyb

To put it into perspective, it is nice to sometimes listen to 24/96
files.

But the vast majority of recordings are good old reedbook CD , further
very few are recorded in such quality that they merit from 24/96
treatment anyway.

So you can relax and listen to the 99,9% available music that is not
24bit.

I have a more relaxed outlook these days, I listen to music  .

There is of course special audiphile recordings  in thoose newfangled
formats, but that is not often real music and a total waste of
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] converting 24/192 to wav

2011-04-17 Thread mollymoo

Phil Leigh;625295 Wrote: 
 There are several ways to do it...
 
 The easiest is to NOT disable flc flc (to avoid item 4) and to patch
 both the normal and transcode entries to ALWAYS resample EVERYTHING to
 96k and to output WAV from SOX... (instead of its usual flac output)
 
 In other words, put the same entry in flc flc * * and flc flc transcode
 *
 
 You are correct in saying that WAV (PCM) does not have selective
 transcoding. Another reason for avoiding WAV playback...
 
 
 IF I get time I'll put an example of how to do this online later...

thanks for all th einformation phil! looking forward to what you could
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ok dumb audio question

2011-04-17 Thread bitstopjoe

Mnyb;625967 Wrote: 
 \
 There is of course special audiphile recordings  in thoose newfangled
 formats, but that is not often real music and a total waste of
 resources :)

Like Phillip Glass??? UGH Music it is NOT...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts

2011-04-17 Thread tmauceri

I'm back with another, probably dumb, question. I am currently running
7.5.3 on both SBS and SBT. I know the current firmware is 7.5.4. SBS is
set to check for new software. How do I download 7.5.4 on the SBS and
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ok dumb audio question

2011-04-17 Thread Mnyb

Phillip Glass ? I rather watch a grease stain getting absorbed by my
wallpaper :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts

2011-04-17 Thread garym

tmauceri;625984 Wrote: 
 I'm back with another, probably dumb, question. I am currently running
 7.5.3 on both SBS and SBT. I know the current firmware is 7.5.4. SBS is
 set to check for new software. How do I download 7.5.4 on the SBS and
 SBT?

download SbS from here under my music, then install:

http://www.mysqueezebox.com/download

Install SbS on your computer. Then when you have the Touch connected to
your music library (i.e, just normally playing something), the touch
will eventually show you a screen that asks to update. click on this
menu and it will install then restart automatically.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts

2011-04-17 Thread tmauceri

garym;625987 Wrote: 
 download SbS from here under my music, then install:
 
 http://www.mysqueezebox.com/download
 
 Install SbS on your computer. Then when you have the Touch connected to
 your music library (i.e, just normally playing something), the touch
 will eventually show you a screen that asks to update. click on this
 menu and it will install then restart automatically.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts

2011-04-17 Thread garym

Aha! Different then. You just need to update your SbS on VBA.  Go to
your VBA web access screen (GUI).  One of the icons there (maybe open
box at the bottom left (I'm not at home or I could look).  One of the
options is to update SbS I think. Do this and it will download and
update. I'm not sure if they have the official 7.5.4 for Vortexbox
setup to update yet. If not, you might just wait a few days and then
you can do it.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ok dumb audio question

2011-04-17 Thread ralphpnj

bitstopjoe;625972 Wrote: 
 Like Phillip Glass??? UGH Music it is NOT...

Mnyb;625986 Wrote: 
 Phillip Glass ? I rather watch a grease stain getting absorbed by my
 wallpaper :)

Gentlemen, please let's keep the discussion about DACs and other
equipment and keep the music discussion in the music section. I could
say much of the same regarding the wildly popular American Idol and
it's talentless, endless parade of singers (calling them singers is
an insult to all singers).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts

2011-04-17 Thread Ron Olsen

SBS 7.5.4 has been available in the VortexBox repository for several
days now:

1. In your browser, go to the VB web page at http://vortexbox.

2. Click on the Upgrade icon (box on lower left).

3. On the Upgrade page, click the Start Upgrade button.

4. Your VBA will be upgraded to all the latest packages, including SBS
7.5.4.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts

2011-04-17 Thread garym

Ron Olsen;625997 Wrote: 
 SBS 7.5.4 has been available in the VortexBox repository for several
 days now:
 
 1. In your browser, go to the VB web page at http://vortexbox.
 
 2. Click on the Upgrade icon (box on lower left).
 
 3. On the Upgrade page, click the Start Upgrade button.
 
 4. Your VBA will be upgraded to all the latest packages, including SBS
 7.5.4.

Ron, is there a way to update to 7.5.4 if I'm still running Vortexbox
1.5. I'm on 7.5.2 at the moment as I haven't gotten around to moving
stuff so I can connect a monitor and keyboard to my VBA for the 1.8
update (and i'm a bit nervous about it as I have a 6TB VBA (3 2TB
disks) and I'm concerned that something wacky will happen in the 1.5 
1.8 update.  thanks for any info.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ok dumb audio question

2011-04-17 Thread earwaxer9

I have my sub set up behind the listening area about 15ft from the rig.
I have experimented with a long digital out from the Transporter to an
MSB DAC that is close to the salve amp, then short interconnect to sub.
Interestingly enough I originally was just using a good quality 20ft sub
interconnect (not digital coax) to the MSB DAC. I thought it was good
enough for a sub. After a period, for the jollies (and about $10), I
bought a 20ft toslink optical to give it a try. I was surprised. Big
positive difference. Tighter, deeper, better bass definition.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

On a side note, from what I have read from expert opinion, there seems
to be a consensus that good digital coax (using proper cable) bests
toslink. I havent heard enough difference to make a judgement.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ok dumb audio question

2011-04-17 Thread bitstopjoe

earwaxer9;626004 Wrote: 
 I have my sub set up behind the listening area about 15ft from the rig.
 I have experimented with a long digital out from the Transporter to an
 MSB DAC that is close to the salve amp, then short interconnect to sub.
 Interestingly enough I originally was just using a good quality 20ft sub
 interconnect (not digital coax) to the MSB DAC. I thought it was good
 enough for a sub. After a period, for the jollies (and about $10), I
 bought a 20ft toslink optical to give it a try. I was surprised. Big
 positive difference. Tighter, deeper, better bass definition.
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
 
 On a side note, from what I have read from expert opinion, there seems
 to be a consensus that good digital coax (using proper cable) bests
 toslink. I havent heard enough difference to make a judgement.

I am thinking of getting this one. Inexpensive and I doubt, though my
past says maybe not, something more expensive will make much of a
difference..
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-PureAV-AV20100-03-Digital-Coaxial/dp/B0001XGQKY/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1302997551sr=1-7


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts

2011-04-17 Thread tmauceri

Thanks to all. Did the upgrade via the VBA GUI. Then the SBT prompted me
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts

2011-04-17 Thread Ron Olsen

garym;625998 Wrote: 
 Ron, is there a way to update to 7.5.4 if I'm still running Vortexbox
 1.5. I'm on 7.5.2 at the moment as I haven't gotten around to moving
 stuff so I can connect a monitor and keyboard to my VBA for the 1.8
 update (and i'm a bit nervous about it as I have a 6TB VBA (3 2TB
 disks) and I'm concerned that something wacky will happen in the 1.5 
 1.8 update (and Andrew notes that reinstalling with the ISO for 1.8 is
 not standard for my 6TB setup...additional stuff required).  thanks for
 any info.

Since you're on VB 1.5, which is based on Fedora 11, you have several
choices for upgrading to SBS 7.5.4:

1. Stay on Fedora 11 and VB 1.5 and upgrade to the official Slim
Devices SBS 7.5.4:

Login to your VortexBox; see
http://info.vortexbox.org/tiki-index.php?page=Login.

Then enter


Code:

rpm -Uvh 
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/SqueezeboxServer_v7.5.4/squeezeboxserver-7.5.4-1.noarch.rpm



This is the simplest solution, but you won't have all the new features
in VB 1.8, like DVD ripping.

2. Upgrade to Fedora 14 and VB 1.8 using the command-line upgrade; see
http://vortexbox.org/documentation/how-do-i-update-my-vortexbox-from-version-1-5-to-the-current-release/

This will preserve all your SBS settings, plugins, etc. but you can run
into problems.  After the upgrade, you'll have SBS 7.5.4 from the
VortexBox repository.  If you run into trouble, post on the VortexBox
forum and we'll try to help.  This in-place upgrade from Fedora 11 to
Fedora 14 is not always an error-free process.

3. Upgrade to Fedora 14 and VB 1.8 doing a clean install from the iso;
see http://vortexbox.org/documentation/vortexbox-quick-install-guide/.

You'll have to figure out what additional steps are needed because of
your 6TB setup.

Backup all your SBS settings, plugins, and playlists to another
computer before you start, and restore them after the upgrade, or else
you'll lose them.  After the install, you can upgrade to the latest VB
code and pick up SBS 7.5.4 from the VortexBox repository.

If you choose 2. or 3., be sure to have a complete backup of your VBA
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[SlimDevices: Touch] Time zone problem

2011-04-17 Thread dormant

Just received my Squeezebox Touch. Very happy.

Only problem is the time. I selected the proper Time Zone (GMT-4.0
Atlantic), but the time is one hour out.

I think it is because it is assuming daylight saving time, which we
don't have here (Trinidad).

I can't find any way to adjust this.

Suggestions?


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[SlimDevices: Touch] Laptop/hard drive/connection questions

2011-04-17 Thread Ocean56

OK, have been enjoying the Touch streaming radio stations.  Time for a
new phase!

1.  I will be loading SB Server onto a laptop, and connecting a USB
external HD to that.  What format should I use to rip CDs onto said
drive?  And  do I connect the drive itself the the Touch via USB or
Cat5 cable?

2.  I can easily switch back and forth from streaming wirelessly to
using my tracks stored on the HD, right?

3.  Do any particular brands of external HD work better than others to
do this?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts

2011-04-17 Thread garym

Ron Olsen;626059 Wrote: 
 Since you're on VB 1.5, which is based on Fedora 11, you have several
 choices for upgrading to SBS 7.5.4:
 
 1. Stay on Fedora 11 and VB 1.5 and upgrade to the official Slim
 Devices SBS 7.5.4:
 
 Login to your VortexBox; see
 http://info.vortexbox.org/tiki-index.php?page=Login.
 
 Then enter
 
  
Code:

  rpm -Uvh 
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/SqueezeboxServer_v7.5.4/squeezeboxserver-7.5.4-1.noarch.rpm

  
 
 This is the simplest solution, but you won't have all the new
 features in VB 1.8, like DVD ripping.

Thanks Ron. Worked perfectly and now I'm on 7.5.4 and all my players
have updated firmware. I'm going to tackle the 1.5  1.8 update, but
wanted to wait for a bit of time to play with it, just in case.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Laptop/hard drive/connection questions

2011-04-17 Thread aubuti

1) You can either run SBS on your laptop, or run the Touch's built-in
server (aka TinySBS). User results with TinySBS are mixed, whereas
using your laptop should be straightforward, so I would recommend
running SBS on your laptop. That means the USB hard drive would be
connected to your laptop, not to the Touch.

After connecting the USB drive to your laptop, the preferred approach
is to connect the laptop to your home network router via ethernet.
Presumably your Touch is already connected to your network via the
router. If this is wireless that's fine, though ethernet would be
better if it is feasible in your circumstances. 

Best practice is to rip to a lossless format, and for SBs the best
format is usually FLAC. I recommend dBpoweramp (www.dbpoweramp.com) for
ripping to FLAC. It's not freeware, but its secure ripping and superior
metadata handling make it well worth the cost (around $36) in my book.
It has a 30-day free trial. In my opinion the best freeware FLAC ripper
out there is EAC. Both dBpoweramp and EAC are Windows programs, although
they will run on Linux under Wine. If you are using Mac OSX then you
need to look for other software.

If you haven't done much ripping yet, do a handful of CDs at first and
make sure that you're getting the ripping and tagging the way you want
it for you dive in fully to do your whole collection. Some people dive
right in, only to have to re-do everything later because of a simple
mistake they made, and then repeated 1000 times.

2. Yes, you can easily switch back and forth between internet radio and
your own ripped library. Note that as long as your laptop is running you
do not have to switch explicitly from SBS to mysqueezebox.com to get
internet radio. You can access everything on mysb.com via SBS running
on your laptop.

3. For SBS running on your laptop the brand of USB drive doesn't matter
much. If you want to use TinySBS then the choice and type of USB drive
matters a LOT. For TinySBS you should use a USB drive that has its own
power supply, not one that draws power via USB, because too many drives
exceed the spec on power draw, thus exceeding what power the Touch
supplies (which is slightly over-spec). Several users have reported
having better luck with Toshiba USB drives and TinySBS. I believe there
is a page on the wiki (wiki.silmdevices.com) that summarizes which
drives work better or worse.

Good luck and enjoy. Having your music library readily available via SB
is really where you will take maximum advantage of the SB system.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Laptop/hard drive/connection questions

2011-04-17 Thread garym

aubuti;626116 Wrote: 
 1) You can either run SBS on your laptop, or run the Touch's built-in
 server (aka TinySBS). User results with TinySBS are mixed, whereas
 using your laptop should be straightforward, so I would recommend
 running SBS on your laptop. That means the USB hard drive would be
 connected to your laptop, not to the Touch.
 
 After connecting the USB drive to your laptop, the preferred approach
 is to connect the laptop to your home network router via ethernet.
 Presumably your Touch is already connected to your network via the
 router. If this is wireless that's fine, though ethernet would be
 better if it is feasible in your circumstances. 
 
 Best practice is to rip to a lossless format, and for SBs the best
 format is usually FLAC. I recommend dBpoweramp (www.dbpoweramp.com) for
 ripping to FLAC. It's not freeware, but its secure ripping and superior
 metadata handling make it well worth the cost (around $36) in my book.
 It has a 30-day free trial. In my opinion the best freeware FLAC ripper
 out there is EAC. Both dBpoweramp and EAC are Windows programs, although
 they will run on Linux under Wine. If you are using Mac OSX then you
 need to look for other software.
 
 If you haven't done much ripping yet, do a handful of CDs at first and
 make sure that you're getting the ripping and tagging the way you want
 it for you dive in fully to do your whole collection. Some people dive
 right in, only to have to re-do everything later because of a simple
 mistake they made, and then repeated 1000 times.
 
 2. Yes, you can easily switch back and forth between internet radio and
 your own ripped library. Note that as long as your laptop is running you
 do not have to switch explicitly from SBS to mysqueezebox.com to get
 internet radio. You can access everything on mysb.com via SBS running
 on your laptop.
 
 3. For SBS running on your laptop the brand of USB drive doesn't matter
 much. If you want to use TinySBS then the choice and type of USB drive
 matters a LOT. For TinySBS you should use a USB drive that has its own
 power supply, not one that draws power via USB, because too many drives
 exceed the spec on power draw, thus exceeding what power the Touch
 supplies (which is slightly over-spec). Several users have reported
 having better luck with Toshiba USB drives and TinySBS. I believe there
 is a page on the wiki (wiki.silmdevices.com) that summarizes which
 drives work better or worse.
 
 Good luck and enjoy. Having your music library readily available via SB
 is really where you will take maximum advantage of the SB system.

+1 on dbpoweramp (and going slow to figure out how you like your
tagging, etc.) MP3tag is a very useful tagging program that I use in
addition to dbpa. Also agree on FLAC. If you also use ipods, etc., you
can also easily create a mirror library of mp3 files for use on these.
But with FLAC (lossless) you rip once, get your tags and art perfect,
then you're done. You can always create the best sort of lossy files
for other uses from the FLAC archive files (and the FLACs work well
with the SB universe of things).


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