Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
mikkeldaase;556669 Wrote: The responses on the board is discouraging for potential touch buyers May be because that satisfied people are less prone to spend time about telling it. I have to say I use TinySC with a usb-powered, NTFS formated, Western Digital 500 GB 2.5 DD I have about 150 MB of flac files on it (and a lot of others files not related to audio in different directories) I am quite satisfied with it, and after the first scan (about 40 mns) everything is fine. I don't even talk about the very easy, fast, and efficient result when I use a 8 GB usb key -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
nicolas75;556674 Wrote: I have about 150 MB of flac files on it (and a lot of others files not related to audio in different directories, which is bad practice) Bragging about having ~5 FLAC songs play well on the Touch is not really a great endorsement ;). Did you mean to say 150GB? -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
nicolas75;556674 Wrote: May be because that satisfied people are less prone to spend time about telling it. I have to say I use TinySC with a usb-powered, NTFS formated, Western Digital 500 GB 2.5 DD I have about 150 GB of flac files on it (and a lot of others files not related to audio in different directories, which is bad practice) I am quite satisfied with it, and after the first scan (about 40 mns) everything is fine. I don't even talk about the very easy, fast, and efficient result when I use a 8 GB usb key Agree, As I have mentioned before, I set up a touch system running tinySC for a relative. With a WD (powered) 500GB USB drive. 54,000 mp3 files and it has worked perfectly since setup (4 or 5 weeks ago). The average TOUCH (or SB) user doesn't even know these forums exist. They buy it, set it up, it works, story over. This is not to discount that people have real issues. Most can be resolved (and most that I see are related to the USB DRIVE or the network). -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
m1abrams;556675 Wrote: Bragging about having ~5 FLAC songs play well on the Touch is not really a great endorsement ;). Did you mean to say 150GB? Correct, that is 150 GB -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
erland;552712 Wrote: Let's face it, if all you want is a simple single room device that's fast and you are satisfied with decent audio quality from high bit rate lossy compressed music files, you should really get an iPod. For this kind of usage an iPod with a docking station beats the Squeezebox Touch. For simple usage as described above, which probably cover a large part of the user base, an iPod it probably a cheaper and better solution. To see the advantage of a Squeezebox Touch, we need to talk about things like audio quality, multi room solutions with synchronized playback, remote control from the couch and maybe also support for online Internet radio. The built-in server is a marketing feature, it can work really good if you can live with its limitations and have the right equipment connected to it. However, if you want to make sure you get the most out of your Squeezebox Touch, you really need an external server IMHO. Some people are satisfied with the limitations you have to live with if you use the built-in server and some aren't. Some people has successfully used the built-in server with larger libraries and some haven't, often because they connect a hard disk that isn't optimized to get good performance with a Touch. If you don't want an external server and only need a single room solution and doesn't care about high-end audio quality, get a iPod instead instead of a Touch, it will save you a lot of trouble. I think it's important to understand that for some people, an iPod is really a better solution. If all you want is the functionality of an iPod, you will surely not get a better solution with a Squeezebox Touch. However, if you need a multi room solution or you want high-end audio quality, do not get an iPod because in this scenario a Squeezebox Touch will offer a better solution. To sum it up, a Squeezebox Touch can do the same things as an iPod can do when the iPod sits in a docking station, it's just that the iPod will do most things better in a simple setup. The reverse is not true, an iPod cannot do everything a Squeezebox Touch can do, for example multi room synchronization. iPod=Works as advertised Touch=Doesn't work as advertised. Maybe it will eventually, but it certainly doesn't with a USB drive right now. Nothing anyone is saying changes that. So just give up on the waffle OK. If you all REALLY want to compare functionality, I suspect an iPod Touch actually can have more uses that the Squeezebox of the same name. I hear you can even get a related model with a phone... -- floater floater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38048 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
floater;556547 Wrote: iPod=Works as advertised Touch=Doesn't work as advertised. Maybe it will eventually, but it certainly doesn't with a USB drive right now. Nothing anyone is saying changes that. So just give up on the waffle OK. If you all REALLY want to compare functionality, I suspect an iPod Touch actually can have more uses that the Squeezebox of the same name. I hear you can even get a related model with a phone... This is just NO TRUE. -- carib carib's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34240 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
mfw;552518 Wrote: ... I love my new Touch. But what is it? A Networked Music Player with exceptional qualities and features. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Phil, thank you for your thoughtful post. I think its length demonstrates my point. Phil Leigh;552599 Wrote: (let's ignore Internet Radio for a moment) . The Internet radio was what drew me to squeezebox. I think that means the indexing of streams on Mysqueezebox.com is another key component of the product experience. The more interesting discovery was the community of developers and these forums, with a generally positive, supportive attitude. The iPeng is really impressive. Frank -- mfw mfw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
floater;551397 Wrote: Missing the point completely. Is it not the opposite scenario that is of relevance? Troll. First rule of holes: when in one stop digging. I'll not waste any more effort on you. Bye. I think Phil was thinking and talking about the end result of what the device are best at between Touch and iPhone/iPod. iPhone/iPod (modern ones) don't play FLAC or connect to just any stereo with high fidelity output and the Touch is not a portable MP3 player no matter what the two have (having an OS, a CPU, play music) neither were meant to do what the other excels at! -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
floater;552676 Wrote: The Touch (with all its extra, SECONDARY features) still can't handle a large library with an attached USB drive that wouldn't trouble an iPod, which is kind of sad and the ONLY point I've been making. So a touch was never designed designed to excel at reliably playing music from a USB drive? Well I never!! I probably already made this point earlier in the thread (maybe in a different thread), but I will point out once again that my totally non-technical brother has a TOUCH, an older 500GB USB drive (with its own power) attached to it containing 54,000 tracks, and it works and plays perfectly from day 1 (maybe for 5 or 6 weeks now). And he has since added a BOOM to the house and the TOUCH is serving all this music to the BOOM as well (via WIFI) and this is working perfectly. So yes, the TOUCH will work with a large library with only a USB drive (and serve that library to another SB player as well). -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
floater;552676 Wrote: The Touch (with all its extra, SECONDARY features) still can't handle a large library with an attached USB drive that wouldn't trouble an iPod, which is kind of sad and the ONLY point I've been making. So a touch was never designed designed to excel at reliably playing music from a USB drive? Well I never!! If you think nitpicking differences negates that, well, good for you. Why so defensive? It wouldn't be so bad if you were even accurate: Ipods can play lossless and can produce high quality output with the right dock e.g. one that will output digital. Plenty of people have been fooled when they thought they were listening to an expensive CD player. Even from it's analogue output. Maybe Logitech will make it work, maybe they won't. For a product delayed six months to fix that function it's a pretty poor show. I loathe Apple fanboys, but hadn't realised Logitech was afflicted too. You live and learn. Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Now who is the Troll? Please tell me who makes an iPod or MP3 player with a 500GB memory that plays FLAC? I don't think you can. For one that likes to live in the world of broad generalizations your statements are very inaccurate. I never said the iPod would not play lossless, I said modern ones will NOT play FLAC. I can see why you missed that fact since it is very specific and you are from the world of broad generalizations where FLAC equals Apple Lossless! Just for clarity, it doesn't. And I am not drinking the Kool-Aid, I am using my Touch daily without issue in a broad range of uses. Does that make me a fanboy of the Touch, it just might because I am a music junky and get loads of music enjoyment from my Touch. I also said that the Touch 'excels' at what it was designed for. Its main use and purpose is as a Network Media Player (NMP). One that is using server software called SBS, and I dare you to even hint that it does not excel at being a NMP for only $300. As to TinySC, it is a feature. One doesn't buy TinySC, one buys a Touch which is a NMP designed to use SBS. A 'feature' of this NMP is using it standalone with TinySC. Is this the best use of a Touch, in my opinion it is not. Am I using it without problems I am and I am willing to help anybody that is having problems even if that means they might have picked a less then optimum USB product and need to buy a new one to get better results. Lastly your comparison between an iPod and Touch with TinySC is very flawed. It again comes back to my point that the Touch excels as a NMP (and was designed and built as one to be used with SBS) and the iPod excels as a portable MP3 player. There isn't a portable MP3 player that can handle and play the size library that a Touch using SBS can. Which is where I feel your world of broad generalization comes into play. Touch with SBS is not the same as Touch with TinySC and it is stated no where that it is. And no matter how hard one tries or wants it to be, it never will be. There is not enough room to get full SBS on the Touch nor does the Touch have the memory or CPU to run full SBS. I am opened minded and willing to try many things. This is why I use my Touch in so many different ways and environments. But I also see that Touch with TinySC has limitations. Because Touch is a NMP, there has to be a point to stop at because if one keeps going then it is no longer a Touch it is an SBS Server with a touch screen. What would l like to see of future Touch products: a 7 or 11 inch screen, 4 times the CPU, and 4GB of RAM. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Phil Leigh;552159 Wrote: And for some reason you still refuse to accept that what the SBS/tinySC is doing is NOTHING like what an iPod/Archos/etc is doing. Playing music from a hard drive perhaps? Jesus H. Christ, I don't usually resort to abuse on forums, but you are a f uckwit pedant. I suppose next you'll be saying a dynamic speaker and an electrostatic speaker don't do the same thing. This really is goodbye. PS Linn sucks ass!! -- floater floater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38048 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Aside from demonstrating some intemperate attitudes by some posters, I think this thread demonstrates we don't really have a good vocabulary for describing squeezebox. Servers and players (and controllers?) are all components we can weave into systems. How does one describe squeezebox in a simple declarative sentence? Without saying it is completely different than X, to which it does seem to bear an incidental resemblance. I love my new Touch. But what is it? -- mfw mfw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
This really is an apples / oranges comparison, but one which logitech have brought upon the product. I use an ipod hate itunes. It's a portable device. My Squeexbox Players are intended for quality, no high quality home listening as priority one, then remaining players for convenience sharing a central database of music. They have always been a little 'techie' to set up. A long time ago I gave up on wireless connection for example for serious listening... just inherent problems with wi-fi not specifically squeezebox. I would like a Touch. When I can find one... at a sensible price! For wired ethernet listening and ability to stream hi-res tracks without probs. It'll be a plug in replacement for a Classic. So by comparison to an ipod it is for me a completely differnt beast. Logitech could do much better at really making clear what this device is for. The poster who complains the SBTouch doesn't compare to an ipod well just plug some cheap active speakers into your ipod be done? -- ntom SB3, Perpetual Technologies P1-A / P3-A, Naim82 pre + 4xNaim135 powers, Martin Logan SL3's(+ 2nd SB3 2xSB2's around the hus) ntom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3197 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
ntom;552103 Wrote: The poster who complains the SBTouch doesn't compare to an ipod well just plug some cheap active speakers into your ipod be done? If you'd been paying attention you'd know I don't own an iPod - was just comparing performance at that trivial task of playing music without crashing ;-). I can't believe people are arguing over this, but that's an internet forum I suppose. -- floater floater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38048 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
floater;552157 Wrote: If you'd been paying attention you'd know I don't own an iPod - was just comparing performance at that trivial task of playing music without crashing ;-). I can't believe people are arguing over this, but that's an internet forum I suppose. And for some reason you still refuse to accept that what the SBS/tinySC is doing is NOTHING like what an iPod/Archos/etc is doing. SBS is a multi-device server that has to manage synchronization and/or multiple parallel streams across a TCP/IP network. What the iPod or any embedded control programme for a dedicated hardware platform is doing is (relatively) trivial - what SBS is doing is much more complex/demanding - and it has to do it on multiple platforms/operating systems of bewildering variety and over which it has no absolute control at all. Apples and Oranges. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
rotho;551884 Wrote: It would be very interesting to investigate the different parameters which influence the CPU usage on the Touch with Tiny SC (when handling a large collection of files), in order to understand why certain users do not have any problem and others have constant re-buffering problems. Phil, could you please share the following information regarding your standalone setup : - The size, brand and model of your HDD - The file format of your HDD (FAT32, NTFS, ...) - The size of your music collection (in Gb) - Do you use the Controller to operate the Touch ? - Whatever other parameter you think could influence the CPU usage on the Touch... Here are the info about my own setup : - 1.5 Tb d2 quadra LaCie HDD (with its own power supply), FAT32 formatted with Disk Utility on an iMac - approximately 20,000 FLAC files (400 Gb used), including around 100 hi-res files Here are my own findings, when using TinySC : - Little re-buffering problem at the beginning of first tracks of 16/44.1 albums - Slow update of the Touch display when going from one track to the next - Very very slow update of the Touch (and Controller) display and more re-buffering problems when operating the Touch from the Controller - Constant re-buffering problems when reading certain 24/96 files (I tried those without the Controller of course !). On the other hand, I have no problem when reading those 24/96 files on the same HDD when it contains only a couple of albums. (And I have none of the above problems when running SBS of my Mac instead of using Tiny SC...) Rotho, the three powered - as in they have their own PSU - USB drives I have are: 1) Buffalo JustStore 1Tb (FAT32) 2) Samsung 103UJ 1TB (NTFS) which is an SATA drive I mounted in a box with a USB/Sata adaptor 3) Lacie 1Tb - this is a Seagate drive - not sure of the exact model (NTFS) All my file are FLAC at -5 compression (well there are a very small number of 320 kbs MP3's too). The total file size is 932Gb. None of my filenames has any special characters in them and all tags are immaculate (FLAC tags only, RG + MusicIP). All artwork is in cover.jpg files. I have no playlists. Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
rotho;551884 Wrote: - Little re-buffering problem at the beginning of first tracks of 16/44.1 albums How are you selecting 'Play for an Album? Are you clicking on a Track to start Play, or are you selecting More '+' and then Play (I get a 1st track rebuffering on the former, but not the latter). I -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
floater;551346 Wrote: iPod has no audible output of its own, but you can connect headphones. Not that it matters much, but this is not a true statement. iPods have a speaker and can play music without headphones. -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
pounce;551894 Wrote: Not that it matters much, but this is not a true statement. iPods have a speaker and can play music without headphones. some do, some don't. depends on the model. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
garym;551897 Wrote: some do, some don't. depends on the model. Fair enough. The quote is still not a true statement. -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Tony T;551891 Wrote: How are you selecting 'Play for an Album? Are you clicking on a Track to start Play, or are you selecting More '+' and then Play (I get a 1st track rebuffering on the former, but not the latter). You're right : I never use '+' to play a track. I will try your method and report back... -- rotho rotho's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33493 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
rotho;551914 Wrote: You're right : I never use '+' to play a track. I will try your method and report back... No, not for a track, for an album. -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Tony T;551945 Wrote: No, not for a track, for an album. Yes, that what I meant : to play an album, I always selected the first track. Now, I have tried your method, by selecting '+' and then 'Play' : you were right, now the rebuffering problem is gone. Great !!! But : 1) I find this method less direct than selecting the first track of an album 2) This way of selecting an album does not solve my re-buffering problem with certain 24/96 files. Let's keep on experimenting... -- rotho rotho's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33493 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Its a bug that I'm sure will be fixed. They just have to delay the playing until the playlist it built. -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
JohnSwenson;551564 Wrote: The server (squeezeboxServer) is written in perl, the player part (SqueezePlay) uses lua as its user interface language. In both cases major parts are written in C linked into the particular interpreter. In the player the audio samples exist entirely in C code with the lua code handling the UI parts (what is in a menu, what a button looks like, what to do when a button is pushed). The actual drawing on the frame buffer is also done by C code. The server is written in perl to be transportable to many different plattforms. It uses many perl modules that have complex C implementations but they use standard ones that have already been ported to many different platforms. I have not spent too much time in the guts of the server so I can't give precise details, primarily because I hate perl. I too would prefer python. Lua was chosen for the player I presume because the basic implementation of the server is quite small and it interfaces well to underlying C code. There is a large amount of custom C code in the player. With the player they were aiming at specific hardware implementations so did not need to maintain portability to a large number of platforms so large amounts of custom C code was not as big a deal as it would be for the server. John S. Thanks. That was very informative. I'm always interested in 'how things work' (I was ssh'ing into the SBRadio on the 2nd day of purchase), and this is something that a user won't find in the manual. -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
iwannatouch;551584 Wrote: You may be right, but that's not how Logitech is marketing the Touch to consumers. Instructions on the use of a connected USB drive to play music and display photos are described on 11 of the feature guide's 30 pages. That makes it sound like a prominent, rather than inconsequential, feature to me. Works for me (almost) as advertised. The problem I had was that that Touch would not power my 2.5 320g USB drive -- an $8 ac/dc adaptor solved the problem. -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
mlsstl;551514 Wrote: I think it is a very legitmate question for a buyer to have some idea if this device is going to work for him. There are a number of people who, for various reasons, would love to have a Touch directly play their music from a USB drive without the need for an external server. I intend to buy a Touch and this only becuase of its USB functionality (I already own a Duet), so I do not have to use a server anymore (that never stops running) or do SSODS upgrades that become more complicated every time (at least for me, my knowledge of Linux is zero). If people are in doubt as to how many songs Tiny SBS can handle via their USB stick or USB drive I would advise them to take their USB stick or USB drive to the shop and test if it works. That is what I am going to do and only if I am satisfied I will buy the Touch. Although I don't expect that my 1200 MP3 song collection(on USB stick)will present any problems. -- Polar Polar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Polar;551626 Wrote: I intend to buy a Touch and this only because of its USB functionality (I already own a Duet), so I do not have to use a server anymore (that never stops running) or do SSODS upgrades that become more complicated every time (at least for me, my knowledge of Linux is zero). If people are in doubt as to how many songs Tiny SBS can handle via their USB stick or USB drive I would advise them to take their USB stick or USB drive to the shop and test if it works. That is what I am going to do and only if I am satisfied I will buy the Touch. Although I don't expect that my 1200 MP3 song collection (on USB stick) will present any problems. Even some online stores (i.e. Crutchfield) will allow a return at no charge if the product does not work as advertised. -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
jaynlisa;551617 Wrote: Phil, He didn't say it was a high-spec portable mp3 player, and you totally misquoted him. He said it didn't function as well as a portable mp3 player, and in terms of handling large amounts of files, I'd have to agree! It wasn't a quote (otherwise I'd have used the quote function of the forum). It was a statement by me - the quotation marks are mine. The point I was making in response is that the Touch is NOT a portable player, nor is it marketed as one, so comparing it with one seems wrong. Nor in fact is its primary function to be an MP3 player although of course it can do that. The onboard functionality of an iThing is very much lower. Leaving aside the fact that it is mostly locked to proprietary Apple formats and software. They don't sound great either... but that isn't their primary purpose. Their primary purpose is portability/accessability. The Touch is NOT portable (in the sense of a personal stereo/Walkman-like device). The Touch handles my 35,000 FLAC files (including 2000 hi-rez files) fine from a standalone (self-powered) USB drive (I've tried 3 so far), so there is no inherent generic problem. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Phil Leigh;551638 Wrote: It wasn't a quote (otherwise I'd have used the quote function of the forum). It was a statement by me - the quotation marks are mine. The point I was making in response is that the Touch is NOT a portable player, nor is it marketed as one, so comparing it with one seems wrong. Nor in fact is its primary function to be an MP3 player although of course it can do that. The onboard functionality of an iThing is very much lower. Leaving aside the fact that it is mostly locked to proprietary Apple formats and software. They don't sound great either... but that isn't their primary purpose. Their primary purpose is portability/accessability. The Touch is NOT portable (in the sense of a personal stereo/Walkman-like device). The Touch handles my 35,000 FLAC files (including 2000 hi-rez files) fine from a standalone (self-powered) USB drive (I've tried 3 so far), so there is no inherent generic problem. Keep on digging... -- floater floater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38048 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
dsdreamer;551653 Wrote: But an iPOD needs a serious computer running iTunes to perform the scanning part of work flow. Please note that a couple of folks have referred to mp3 players that do indeed scan and maintain their own database, without the horrible kludge of iTunes for the iPod. Mp3 players dating back many years too, not the latest models! My Archos AV400 scans files at a rate of approximately 2500 per minute, without the aid of a PC at all. This is six year old technology! My Touch is considerably slower with a brand new hard drive. -- floater floater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38048 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
floater;551332 Wrote: So we have what is in essence a high spec. mp3 player that can't function as well as a portable mp3 player... It would seem SBS is not very efficient the legacy of having it run on a PC has caught out Logitech with their hardware specification for the Touch. If an iPod behaved like this would people be happy?? An iPod Classic with 160GB drive claims to be able to store up to 40,000 songs. Has anyone got near this does it still work? I'd expect a domestic equivalent (e.g. Touch) to work better, if anything! 1) The Touch is not a high-spec portable mp3 player - it is a (very) high quality Network Music Player. It has no audible output of its own and does not run on batteries. 2) The Touch and an ithing have nothing in common. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Phil Leigh;551339 Wrote: 1) The Touch is not a high-spec portable mp3 player - it is a (very) high quality Network Music Player. It has no audible output of its own and does not run on batteries. 2) The Touch and an ithing have nothing in common. Hahahahahaah iPod plays music, indexed by tags. Touch plays music indexed by tags. iPod plays said music from directly connected hard drive. Touch plays said music from directly connected hard drive. iPod has no audible output of its own, but you can connect headphones. Touch has no audible output of its own, but you can connect headphones. iPod runs on an internal battery, but could use an external power supply. Touch runs on external power suuply, but could be rigged up to batteries if desired: I believe one forum member uses one in his car. No, nothing in common whatsoever!!! Thanks for the biggest laugh of the day so far. -- floater floater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38048 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Phil Leigh;551339 Wrote: 2) The Touch and an ithing have nothing in common. Now that isn't really true is it ? They both run the same family of processors and they both have to run software that categorizes music by artist, album, genre etc The iPod (Classic) has a very much slower CPU than the Touch, but one can only assume its software is somewhat more efficient than than a bunch of Perl scripts ;) Though that said the iPod has the advantage that it gets to build it's database offline as part of the iTunes sync process. There is a device out there however that also uses an ARM CPU slower than the Touch, builds its database online and manages to operate faster than even SBS running on a powerful PC. Even better, it was a device designed in the previous century... ...the device, the empeg in car mp3 player, a marvel of efficient code and hardware. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
andynormancx;551349 Wrote: The iPod (Classic) has a very much slower CPU than the Touch, but one can only assume its software is somewhat more efficient than than a bunch of Perl scripts ;) Maybe Logitech should hire a C++ programmer... -- floater floater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38048 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
floater;551352 Wrote: Maybe Logitech should hire a C++ programmer... Or at the very least move to python scripts. (Is all of SBS and TinySC really in Perl?) -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
andynormancx;551349 Wrote: Now that isn't really true is it ? They both run the same family of processors and they both have to run software that categorizes music by artist, album, genre etc You know what I meant... Go to any retail web site - find iThings under Portable Music Players and find SB devices (if you CAN find them) under Wi-fi Music Players or Network Players or Media Streamers. They are chalk and cheese. So they have a similar CPU? - so does my Dishwasher! The only functional similarity is that both they have software that organises music on a hard disk into a library... I could change nothing to very little. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
floater;551346 Wrote: Hahahahahaah iPod plays music, indexed by tags. Touch plays music indexed by tags. iPod plays said music from directly connected hard drive. Touch plays said music from directly connected hard drive. iPod has no audible output of its own, but you can connect headphones. Touch has no audible output of its own, but you can connect headphones. iPod runs on an internal battery, but could use an external power supply. Touch runs on external power suuply, but could be rigged up to batteries if desired: I believe one forum member uses one in his car. No, nothing in common whatsoever!!! Thanks for the biggest laugh of the day so far. Yeah, right. I really feel like walking down the street with a Touch + disk drive + large battery pack in my pocket so I can plug some headphones in... As a retail product they have nothing in common. Technology is irrelevant. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Phil Leigh;551382 Wrote: Yeah, right. I really feel like walking down the street with a Touch + disk drive + large battery pack in my pocket so I can plug some headphones in... Missing the point completely. Is it not the opposite scenario that is of relevance? Troll. First rule of holes: when in one stop digging. I'll not waste any more effort on you. Bye. -- floater floater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38048 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Big difference between the iPod and the Touch. The iPod does not scan and generate the database! iTunes does on your PC. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
m1abrams;551399 Wrote: Big difference between the iPod and the Touch. The iPod does not scan and generate the database! iTunes does on your PC. My many years old Archos mp3 player does just that: scans the database on disconnection from the PC. The only way I have ever added tracks to it has been by cutting pasting. No database on the PC at all. And it just works has never crashed. Now, my touch with a directly connected drive has been somewhat different! Which has the most hardware resources I wonder... In any case, the Touch crashes AFTER the database is created too (using USB), so that is a red herring anyway. -- floater floater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38048 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
floater;551397 Wrote: Missing the point completely. Is it not the opposite scenario that is of relevance? Troll. First rule of holes: when in one stop digging. I'll not waste any more effort on you. Bye. 0/10 - there's only 1 Troll here... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
How large a music collection is too large for TinySC? -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
not sure. My brother uses tiny SbS and has about 54,000 mp3/aac files on the external powered USB drive. All have embedded album art. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Tony T;551170 Wrote: How large a music collection is too large for TinySC? On mine 18000, mostly flacs is hopeless. -- floater floater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38048 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
floater;551206 Wrote: On mine 18000, mostly flacs is hopeless. I'm at 8,000 FLAC's with the only minor annoyance so far is 're-buffering' when I select a random song mix. I'm hoping that I don't run into problems as I add CD's (...but I only buy about 2-4 a month, so it will build slowly from my 8k) I do expect (hope) that updates to TinySC will improve as time goes by. -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Tony T;551209 Wrote: I'm at 8,000 FLAC's with the only minor annoyance so far is 're-buffering' when I select a random song mix. I'm hoping that I don't run into problems as I add CD's (...but I only buy about 2-4 a month, so it will build slowly from my 8k) I do expect (hope) that updates to TinySC will improve as time goes by. I would recommend that you look into setting up SBS. I would consider 8,000 FLAC to be a large collection and worthy of a dedicate media server. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
m1abrams;551212 Wrote: I would recommend that you look into setting up SBS. I would consider 8,000 FLAC to be a large collection and worthy of a dedicate media server. ok, so what if someone had 5,000 flac's? What is the 'tipping point'? -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Tony T;551217 Wrote: ok, so what if someone had 5,000 flac's? What is the 'tipping point'? ugh one thread please. The tipping point is when it starts failing for you. Why do you need a generic range number? -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
Tony T;551217 Wrote: ok, so what if someone had 5,000 flac's? What is the 'tipping point'? There is no one tipping point. Its a server shoe-horned into a player, that even at its best is near maxing out the resources of the hardware. It doesn't take much to push it over the edge. The result is that many different things can be the the cause of a problem, or especially a combination of things. The result is you if you have issue X the tipping point will probably be different than if you have issue Y. It can vary radically depending on what is causing the problem in a particular case. Things like 24/96 files put a lot more strain on the system than 16/44.1 files. High compression flac puts more strain on the system than low compression or wav files. Usage also plays an important part. Playing an album straight through puts less strain on a system than skipping around in the middle of songs or shuffle. Drive condition can make a difference. A fragmented drive can cause problems, especially if one of the other high strain issues is in play. A drive which is starting to get a little flaky can also cause problems. If it takes some retries to read a sector but eventually does get it correct, this can take extra CPU resources to deal with it, and especially if something else is taking up cpu resources (such as playing 24/96 flacs) it can push the system over the edge. There are a lot of such things that can cause problems, especially in combination with each other. Because of this its impossible to make blanket statements of the form this configuration is guaranteed to work, and this is guaranteed to fail OK I will make one configuration that is probably not going to work. 100,000 24/96 high compression flac files each of which has a 2kx2k embedded artwork image on a highly fragmented, slow, slightly flaky drive with a user who likes to skip around in the middle of songs. I think is fairly safe to say that is not going to work. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
