Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
I would refine that to say that Track Gain is a bad idea for classical, or really any music that has a wide dynamic range. And by extension LMS's Smart Gain would be a bad idea for random tracks of music -- or playlists with single tracks from a variety of albums -- with wide DR, although I don't know many classical buffs who go for mixed playlists. But I don't see anything wrong with using Album Gain with classical or other music with a wide DR. You're still preserving the DR that's in the album, but you're just leveling out the average level from one album to another. Granted that some entire albums are meant to be softer, but I suspect those differences are minor compared to differences in average levels that are purely artifacts of the production process. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
This issue very much depends on the kind of music you listen to, e.g. in "classical" music volume normalisation is a really very, very bad idea. JohnB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
Almost all of my listening is via random playlists, and I've been using Smart Gain for 5 years. ReplayGain tags have been applied either through foobar2000 or dbPoweramp when ripping CDs. I have been extremely pleased with the results. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
Mnyb wrote: > Have you ever figured what it does if I choose a folder via the " music > folder " menu instead of an album via the album menu ? Not that I would > do it like that ,the folder could be from one album. Not sure, never tried. I'm assuming that choosing a folder with a single album in it, would add the album to the active playlist, and smart gain would see that you are playing a single album. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
MichaelJ wrote: > Gary, I'm curious...how did you arrive at 75% volume? I recall a > discussion where Pippin suggested that any volume over 18 on a touch > would pass a 16/44 file with no loss. > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?89228-Touch-Volume-Control-Quality&p=645562&viewfull=1#post645562 > I'm just trying to figure out how much attenuation I really need. Nothing scientific. And I'm no engineer, but this is the way it has been explained to me by those that are. The squeezeboxes are are getting 24/x streams from the server. So a regular FLAC files is 16/44.1, but is being streamed as 24/44.1. The extra 8 bits can be used in digital volume adjustment without "losing" any bits from the 16/44.1 file. As you start reducing the volume too much you've moved beyond the 8 bits and may be losing quality. So my 75% is just a rule of thumb based on all this. I can reduce to 50% or even lower on listening to some things and not notice any difference. So it is not that critical. But if I'm doing "critical" listening, I set the digital volume to 100% and control volume with preamp. But even here I still leave RG on (although it is using Album gain at that point and intra song differences are maintained). p.s. I'm not sure what volume of 18 is percentage wise. I'm typically using squeezeplay or ipeng to control and seeing percentage not the 0-? scale on which the 18 is based. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
garym wrote: > I'd be more than shocked if you would notice it, as long as your digital > volume on the player is at 75% or higher to start with. I really like > smartgain option with my RG tags. Gary, I'm curious...how did you arrive at 75% volume? I recall a discussion where Pippin suggested that any volume over 18 on a touch would pass a 16/44 file with no loss. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?89228-Touch-Volume-Control-Quality&p=645562&viewfull=1#post645562 I'm just trying to figure out how much attenuation I really need. MichaelJ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReplayGain ply3908's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38634 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
garym wrote: > yep, that's the cool thing about smart gain. If one is playing only > tracks from a single album, it uses ALBUM RG values. If the playlist has > songs from more than one album, it automatically uses TRACK RG values. Have you ever figured what it does if I choose a folder via the " music folder " menu instead of an album via the album menu ? Not that I would do it like that ,the folder could be from one album. Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
Mnyb wrote: > What the smart volume does is effectively moving the volume up and down > . > > But as their is no more bits and not more than 100% volume ( there is no > 11 like in spinal tap ). > > So it must equalise around a lower base level , so many tunes are played > lower a very few louder but the net result should that they are equal . > > The rg tags has a track gain and an album gain , in the context of an > album some tracks should be softer and are played in the context of the > album . > In playlist there is no such concern LMS strive for an equal level on > all tracks. yep, that's the cool thing about smart gain. If one is playing only tracks from a single album, it uses ALBUM RG values. If the playlist has songs from more than one album, it automatically uses TRACK RG values. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
Mnyb wrote: > Probably not , at least not as much as manipulating the file . > > But it require that the file has replay gain tags otherwise LMS won't > now the proper level. yes. and if your FLAC, mp3, m4a, etc. files do not have RG tags, foobar2000 is a very good program for adding this tag info. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
What the smart volume does is effectively moving the volume up and down . But as their is no more bits and not more than 100% volume ( there is no 11 like in spinal tap ). So it must equalise around a lower base level , so many tunes are played lower a very few louder but the net result should that they are equal . The rg tags has a track gain and an album gain , in the context of an album some tracks should be softer and are played in the context of the album . In playlist there is no such concern LMS strive for an equal level on all tracks. Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
Jack Gilvey wrote: > Does that do much harm, SQ-wise? I've never really tried it. Probably not , at least not as much as manipulating the file . But it require that the file has replay gain tags otherwise LMS won't now the proper level. Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
Jack Gilvey wrote: > Does that do much harm, SQ-wise? I've never really tried it. I'd be more than shocked if you would notice it, as long as your digital volume on the player is at 75% or higher to start with. I really like smartgain option with my RG tags. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
Mnyb wrote: > > > LMS has a smart gain function you can turn on . > > Does that do much harm, SQ-wise? I've never really tried it. Jack Gilvey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57582 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Level Playing Field
Gillinger wrote: > I'm sure I've seen something about this previously on this forum. I've > EAC'd all my CDs to FLAC using the same settings each time but some > albums when played are much, much quieter than others. Is there a way > to equalise the output volume so I don't have to keep doing it manually? > It's a pain when when I've got Random on. Or do I need to redo the > offending CDs (which are now packed away in boxes)? Thanks. Use replay gain tags foobar2000 can do that no need to re-rip . LMS has a smart gain function you can turn on . Note that you absolutely not want to manipulate the audio in the file get even volume level ! this can make the sound quality suck . Also the lower sounding files are possibly older releases or actually better sounding or both :) Modern loudness war compressed music... is a popular topic (see zillions off treads here and elsewhere :-/ ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96835 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
