[Trisquel-users] cant install mate
hi
I try install mate
but I can install it
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-mate-dev/ppa
Package repository for Ubuntu MATE.
Packages living here are either required to build the Ubuntu MATE .iso images
or provide the meta packages.
More info: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
Press [ENTER] to continue or ctrl-c to cancel adding it
Exception in thread Thread-1:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/lib/python3.4/threading.py, line 920, in _bootstrap_inner
self.run()
File /usr/lib/python3.4/threading.py, line 868, in run
self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs)
File
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/softwareproperties/SoftwareProperties.py,
line 687, in addkey_func
func(**kwargs)
File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/softwareproperties/ppa.py, line 370,
in add_key
return apsk.add_ppa_signing_key()
File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/softwareproperties/ppa.py, line 233,
in add_ppa_signing_key
owner_name, ppa_name, distro = ppa_path[1:].split('/')
ValueError: need more than 2 values to unpack
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I find out which mixed licenses DuckDuckGo is running under in GNUIceCat?
I use https://searx.me hidden instance: http://www.ulrn6sryqaifefld.onion/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Nvidia FX5200, GeForce 7200 GS
This is a libre software forum. Please stop recommending proprietary software and distros containing proprietary software. Consider that proprietary software (firmware included) is never a solution but a huge problem. Forums like this and distros like Trisquel were made in the first place to avoid the users such problem, that is, being forced to use proprietary software.
Re: [Trisquel-users] C3TV - Hardening hardware and choosing a #goodBIOS - Peter Stuge
watched yesterday after you posted it on diaspora. Very interesting speech indeed! thx
[Trisquel-users] Re : Could systemd be an inconvenient on portability?
Again, cgroups are central to the design of systemd's init. If the kernel does not support something similar, then another init had better been used (many FreeBSD people are not happy with sysvinit, they do not want to implement cgroups, so they consider porting launchd instead: https://github.com/freebsd/openlaunchd). User programs can implement a fallback in case systemd is absent. That is what GNOME did. Now, obviously, that is additional work that smaller project may not want to do in the long run. But, like I wrote: should GNU/Linux never take advantage of the most advanced features in Linux (such as the cgroups) because the less popular kernels (BSD, Hurd) do not have them?. Well, that's just speculation but, would that be the best way to aboard the problem considering what I wrote above? In the short-mid time maybe, but what about in the long run? In the long run, cgroups could enter the POSIX specifications.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I find out which mixed licenses DuckDuckGo is running under in GNUIceCat?
. your hidden instance link doesn't work.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could systemd be an inconvenient on portability?
The real solution for other operating systems that want systemd is to have their kernel catch up with Linux. I agree, but I don't think that's the best way to develop simple building blocks to build operating systems. I was thinking on something like a portable protocol on which not only primary Linux developers would contribute, but also GNU Hurd, BSD, Minix and any other free-as-in-freedom Unix-like OS/kernel developer. If we can't do that without falling into multiples disputes without taking ever or very few times some well agreed decisions. Then maybe we need to focus on improving the communication between the member of our big community. GNU Hurd's developer are actually considering the implementation of a cgroups-like feature so that systemd could work on top of it. Well, that's just speculation but, would that be the best way to aboard the problem considering what I wrote above? In the short-mid time maybe, but what about in the long run? Please don't get me wrong, I have nothing against cgroups nor it's implementation on GNU Hurd or any other Unix-like, what I'm trying to put into words is deeper than mere API preferences.
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Re: [Trisquel-users] cant install mate
Are you sure your using the right Ubuntu PPA for your version of Trisquel? There's a page about installing MATE on the Trisquel wiki you should have a look at.
[Trisquel-users] Re : cant install mate
Indeed: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/installing-mate There seems to be two PPAs to add.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I find out which mixed licenses DuckDuckGo is running under in GNUIceCat?
It's a Tor hidden service. You have to be using Tor to access it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] another librem computer crowdfunding
Appelbaum wrote in a tweet, that he is joining purism.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Mini on a netbook with 700MHz CPU and 512MB RAM
I don't have the knowledge to answer the first question. As far as the second question is considered, see this link. http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ben_NanoNote It is a similar device. Not using ARM, though but certainly is released under same licenses.
Re: [Trisquel-users] another librem computer crowdfunding
It should be coordinated much broader. Fsf, eff, debian, ubuntu, linux, pc world, wired, etc.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Nvidia FX5200, GeForce 7200 GS
I see no problem in using any libre (100% libre) OS. I do see a problem when someone recommends non-free distros on a Trisquel forum. There are better solutions to this particular problem rather than recommending elementary OS and similar nonsense. Did the OP try Trisquel 6 for instance? Maybe an older kernel with older drivers for the Nvidia card he owns would cut it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] another librem computer crowdfunding
It should be coordinated much broader. Fsf, eff, debian, ubuntu, linux, pc world, wired, etc.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Nvidia FX5200, GeForce 7200 GS
I see no problem with recommending Debian with proprietary firmware to people who have (alas) purchased devices incompatible with solely free software. Ideally, all our devices would work with free software and we'd all be running Trisquel, but that is simply not the case. The vast majority of people would be unwilling to throw away that nice new laptop they just bought for the cause of freedom- but that doesn't mean we should just refuse to help them as much as possible. Running Debian (even with proprietary firmware) is clearly preferable to running, say, Windows. One of the arguments deployed against Debian by the FSF is that the existence and incorporation into documentation of the contrib and non-free repositories by the Debian Project can lead many astray, tempting them to install non-free software- the gateway effect. But the gateway effect works the other way, too. When a Windows user (unaware of the cause of freedom) migrates to Debian, she immediately sees the DFSG being thrown about, non-free software being discussed in the forums and the documentation, and this inevitably leads to exposure and at least some sort of awareness of the cause of freedom. Ideally it would be made clear to the new user by the recommender that Debian is not the final solution, and the next computing device bought should support free software, but even if this is not the case, she will be exposed to the cause. This is what happened with me. I was a Windows user. I decided (my hatred for Windows 8 having reached fever pitch) to switch to 'Linux', as I then called it. So I switched to Debian with proprietary firmware to support my nice new flashy laptop, and became aware of the cause of freedom through Debian. I then switched back to using my old machine running Debian with only main enabled, and then settled on Trisquel. Debian was what instigated my free software journey. Debian is unique amongst the distros that distribute non-free software in the way it is clearly separated out and discouraged. The inclusion of non-free software was always inevitable in a project that size- the convenience panderers were bound to win. There is no good way to include non-free software, but Debian did it the best. I agree though, that here is no place to be advocating non-free software in any way, shape, or form. As unfortunate as the use of Debian is, it is a useful gateway measure to win more over to the camp of freedom.
Re: [Trisquel-users] cant install mate
hi Magic Banana I use this https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/installing-matehttps://trisquel.info/en/wiki/installing-mate its same
Re: [Trisquel-users] cant install mate
hi danieru I reinstalled trisquel but its same
Re: [Trisquel-users] cant install mate
Don't know what to say, if I add ppa:ubuntu-mate-dev/ppa with add-apt-repository it works just fine. Though add-apt-repository will finalize after giving some debug info if you press Contrl + C instead of Intro.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre alternative to skype
I thought FireFix Hello was some weird proprietary service. Idk
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Can't I Use The New Firefox Reader In Abrowser?
what about reader.parse-on-load.enabled? http://www.ghacks.net/2015/02/07/mozilla-starts-to-push-reader-mode-to-desktop-firefox/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Can't I Use The New Firefox Reader In Abrowser?
Thank you trinux! I was looking forward for this feature in Firefox 38, but I didn't knew it wasn't going to be enabled by default so I thought it delayed until Firefox 39. I guess it's my fault for not being investigative enough.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre alternative to skype
Maybe that's why it's not included in Firefox ESR and in IceCat by extension.
Re: [Trisquel-users] cant install mate
It seems to me add-apt-repository is not working correctly at adding the ppa signing key. Don't know how to fix it though, but chances are that you have a broken system so I would recommend to make a fresh install of Trisquel.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could systemd be an inconvenient on portability?
In the long run, cgroups could enter the POSIX specifications. That could work too. I just hope that (if that happens) the committee in charge of bring cgroups to POSIX is competent enough to make a good review of cgroups and change it if nesessary if it's not reasonable easy to implement on other *nix systems. Remember that cgroups is develop on and for Linux. So other *nix could ended-up reassembling part of Linux if they want to be full POSIX compliant.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Can't I Use The New Firefox Reader In Abrowser?
If FireFox Reader is Free Software then I think it should totally come pre-installed with Abrowser.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Nvidia FX5200, GeForce 7200 GS
I agree though, that here is no place to be advocating non-free software in any way, shape, or form. Then why the huge post if you agree that this forum is intended to be for solutions/workarounds using only free software?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Nvidia FX5200, GeForce 7200 GS
moxalt wrote: I agree though, that here is no place to be advocating non-free software in any way, shape, or form. You started the same post with I see no problem with recommending Debian with proprietary firmware to people who have (alas) purchased devices incompatible with solely free software.. So apparently you're okay with recommending non-free software here because you value the convenience of using hardware the user has instead of getting hardware one can operate sufficiently well with only free software.
[Trisquel-users] Is Trisquel documentation available in .pdf format or some other more convenient form?
Hello, On the Trisquel documentation web page I came across the link to the documentation for Trisquel in printer friendly form. It looks realy nice and readable in addition to being printable here. I was wondering if anyone might know if the same documentation might be available in .pdf format? That way I can just put it on a USB flash/thumb drive and have my local FedEx Kinko's print it out and bind it in hard-copy form for my perusal. Or maybe perhaps it can be ordered from some third party service already printed up and bound in hard-copy form? Just wondering... Thank you
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could systemd be an inconvenient on portability?
If you cannot have an intelligent discussion and debate with decorum, then you only continue to show the folly that is the future of systemd. GNU/Linux began with debate/discussion when did that end? You might enjoy this thread: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/will-systemd-make-freebsd-more-popular.50107/ Are you not concerned with errors crashing the entire system, rather than one component which would have happened with a script based init? Also, how do you feel about systemd running processes that you cannot see, or binary logs and the inherent security concerns they pose? Are we here to discuss this intelligently or only squabble about who is right or wrong? If the later, this long time opensource advocate is not interested.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fresh install of Trisquel isn't finding my WiFi signal from my router
I did as you suggested Magic Banana and entered an 'lspci' command in a terminal session. It gave me a long list of hardware specs. Unfortunately, I have no way of bringing that list into the laptop pc I'm currently typing this forum reply on. I see in the list it goes line by line listing different hardware controllers and whatnot. One of the listings shows an Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 05) In the line just below this one it lists: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01) There's some other things as well but I didn't want to copy the entire list over line by line manually by hand. Is there a particular item in the list I should look for in the list that I didn't include above? Thank you
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could systemd be an inconvenient on portability?
it is the 30+ year developers who are the most concerned with systemd I gave you a very specific explanation as to why systemd is being depended on, and even gave you another real-world example of the exact same thing which cropped up some 30 odd years ago. And your only response, apparently, is to give a vague argument from false authority and continue asserting that systemd is being pushed on the community. Oh, and then you conclude your message by insignuating that Magic Banana and I are bing uncivil. Well, my response to that is two words: Prove it. How about responding to my actual argument? Please, enlighten me as to how it's the choice of individual programmers when it happens with X, but pushed on the community when it's systemd.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could systemd be an inconvenient on portability?
X, or Wayland are not the same as an init service. systemd is doing things an init service should not do. Agree that SysV needed to be fixed, but why not fix it, why not replace it with a more modern but simple service, why a complex service that continues to grow and consume (merge) more and more services? Again, you use the term argument, who is arguing, this is a discussion, and yes arguing in a discussion is not civil. Would you accept it if SELinux were a hard dependency or requirement of sysytemd for security purposes? Not saying this will happen, but would you be ok if it was? Who determines the limit of what systemd can and cannot do? These are the questions that should be asked by kernel coders, programmers, and the general GNU/Linux user or student, as it affects the future direction of GNU/Linux.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Fresh install of Trisquel isn't finding my WiFi signal from my router
Unfortunately, I have no way of bringing that list into the laptop pc I'm currently typing this forum reply on. No USB thumb drive? Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 05) That is the Ethernet card (connection by cable). Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01) That is the Wifi card... and it does not run without proprietary firmware. The best thing to do is to get a Wifi adapter from one of the two vendors that guarantee it works with Linux-libre: http://libre.thinkpenguin.com/ (using that URL, 25% of the benefits made on your purchase are donated to the Trisquel project); http://tehnoetic.com/ You could buy an internal card as well. However, depending on the brand of your laptop, the mother may simply refuse to use it (DRM).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could systemd be an inconvenient on portability?
X, or Wayland are not the same as an init service. And that has nothing to do with what I was saying. I was talking about programs being dependent on software which is not portable. The X library is not any more portable than systemd: it only works with X. That's why you have programs like XScavenger being entirely rewritten to use different libraries: it's the only way to get these programs to work on non-X systems! So, again, why is it the individual choices of programmers when it's X, but pushing it on the community when it's systemd? Stop dodging the question. Again, you use the term argument, who is arguing, this is a discussion, and yes arguing in a discussion is not civil. I don't know if English is your native tongue or not, so I'm not going to fault you for not knowing what an argument is. But since you clearly don't understand, here is the relevant dictionary definition from the Merriam-Webster dictionary: 2 a : a reason given in proof or rebuttal b : discourse intended to persuade There is nothing not civil about argumentation. What do you expect us to do, just agree with everything you say, even when what you say is patently absurd and insulting? Would you accept it if SELinux were a hard dependency or requirement of sysytemd for security purposes? Not saying this will happen, but would you be ok if it was? I really don't care. If the systemd developers find some SELinux facility to be so useful that they prefer to make it a hard dependency like that, and SELinux is libre software (which it is), it doesn't matter to me. The only point where it could matter is if the use of SELinux caused some secondary trouble for me, such as worse performance. But such a problem being caused by a dependency is no different from the same problem being caused by simple developer incompetence. And, news flash, if SELinux did bother me so much, I would still be perfectly capable of not using systemd, or modifying systemd to remove the dependency. Who determines the limit of what systemd can and cannot do? Whoever contributes to it. It's not that complex. If you don't like the direction systemd is taking, fork it. If a bunch of people agree with you, they'll contribute to and/or use that version. If they don't, you carry a minority viewpoint on how systemd should be, and the simple fact is you have to deal with that.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could systemd be an inconvenient on portability?
systemd is as much a practical concern as it is a philosophical concern. It violates the Unix and GNU/Linux principles. Unix principles? I'd say that's more of a light technical concern, rather than a philosophical concern. At this point, the GNU/Linux landscape is so diverse and varied that there isn't a GNU/Linux principle, at least, not anymore. As an example, one great feature of Unix and GNU has been the low risk of malware and viruses, and if someone does happen upon one, the damage is minimized, due to structure of the system. systemd, however, also introduces some virus problems (potential anyway), the autoreloading feature, can cause a malware program to continue to reboot/reload creating an endless loop. One bug and we should toss an entire program out? You only bring up that one bug to defend the idea that it will make GNU/Linux more prone to viruses. Again, perhaps, more questions should be raised and perhaps, systemd should slowly be analysed and introduced rather than pushed on the community. systemd isn't being forced on anyone-- it is being widely and rather rapidly adopted because of it's various advantages. It is laughable, that the original idea behind systemd, was to make it easier for junior coders and administrators to not have to remember different scripts or to even learn scripting in the first place, just tell them to type systemctl start... systemctl enable So user-friendliness isn't a valid goal? OK, then...
[Trisquel-users] Re : Could systemd be an inconvenient on portability?
Same replied as your first post: References needed. Let see if some come up this time... systemd also has the problem of taking GNU/Linux closer towards being more Windowish. What does it even means? As an example, one great feature of Unix and GNU has been the low risk of malware and viruses, and if someone does happen upon one, the damage is minimized, due to structure of the system. Will you actually defend the idea that arbitrary Shell scripts are more secure than a declarative definition of the services to run? That daemons that can escape any management is good for security? systemd fixes all that and more. If something is great, then why not let people and distros, choose to either use it or not. Distros chose to use it. For example, Debian's technical committee voted for systemd first, Upstart second and sysvinit last. Nobody forced the committee to vote the init system in that order. If you do not want to use a distribution with systemd, don't. Is anybody forcing you? the old timers created the foundation of the systems that we all enjoy. So, basically, your argument is that 30 year-old software necessarily is good and should not be replaced for that reason (young developers suck?). I guess it does not matter that, since then, devices became hot-pluggable (sysvinit cannot start a service once a deice is plugged), processors became multi-core (sysvinit does not parallelize), etc. And who needs process supervision? If a deamon crashes, just do nothing. Anyway, sysvinit cannot do anything once the daemon has double-forked (as it should). And you pretend that all enjoy sysvinit even if there exists many alternatives (systemd, upstart, dmd, openrc, initng, openlauchd, etc.) and that they are all unanimous: sysvinit has fundamental flaws. And, unless you do not use Trisquel, you do not enjoy sysvinit. Trisquel has been using Upstart since it is based on Ubuntu (i.e., since 2008). Are you even aware of that?! Again, perhaps, more questions should be raised and perhaps, systemd should slowly be analysed and introduced rather than pushed on the community. I lied: the choice voted last in Debian's vote was further discussion (sysvinit was right before). Indeed, the topic was extensively discussed. In the middle of the noise generated by conspiracy theorists that do not seem to know anything about the init system. That noise made many Debian developers quit at least some of their tasks. For instance, Tollef Fog Heen resigned as a Debian systemd maintainer last year (because the amount of crap thrown [his] way just becomes too much). It is laughable, that the original idea behind systemd, was to make it easier for junior coders and administrators to not have to remember different scripts or to even learn scripting in the first place, just tell them to type systemctl start... systemctl enable... Why is it laughable? Things must be hard, ugly and insecure like a arbitrary Shell script? Even if there are simple, secure and elegant solutions like a descriptive language? I guess you then also find better that sysvinit requires fifteen steps to make a daemon: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/daemon.html Do you choose Brainfuck when you have something serious to program?
[Trisquel-users] Re : Fresh install of Trisquel isn't finding my WiFi signal from my router
Only the signal of your access point or any access point? In the former case, I encountered such a problem that disappeared mysteriously and came back: https://trisquel.info/forum/not-all-wifi-access-points-listed In the latter, your Wifi chipset probably cannot work in freedom. For a confirmation, you can show us the output of the 'lspci' command (to be entered in a terminal).
[Trisquel-users] Re : Is Trisquel documentation available in .pdf format or some other more convenient form?
You can put HTML pages on a thumb drive too. You can download the documentation with 'wget', which can follow links. If you really want PDFs, you can use the PDF printer (by default in Trisquel). There must be a way to call it from a script...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre alternative to skype
It's based on libre software (the client, at least; I don't know about the server, think it might be centralized somewhere), though I wouldn't personally recommend propagating it much because it uses JavaScript, and JavaScript is problematic because no modern browser has any mechanism to properly control JavaScript programs requested by Web pages. See: https://onpon4.github.io/other/kill-js/
[Trisquel-users] Abrowser for other Distros just like IceCat
Well, I've been looking for Abrowser for my Alpha Blag and Gnewsense 3.1 but I haven't been able to find it, is it because when I look for it on Duckduckgo it thinks it is A browser?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser for other Distros just like IceCat
There's no particular advantage of Abrowser over other rebrandings of Firefox that fix the freedom problems. Does gNewSense have its own version of Iceweasel? Anyway, if you really want Abrowser, you can download the deb file from here (bottom of the page): http://packages.trisquel.info/belenos/web/abrowser
[Trisquel-users] Re : Could systemd be an inconvenient on portability?
If you cannot have an intelligent discussion and debate with decorum, then you only continue to show the folly that is the future of systemd. GNU/Linux began with debate/discussion when did that end? That may have ended once some users started considering that they are entitled to take part in a technical conversion without knowing shit about the technical problems that are solved. You did not even know that you run some systemd modules (and even after I point it out, you still write that systemd is monolithic...) on top of Upstart (you write that we all enjoy sysvinit when Trisquel has actually been using Upstart since 2008)! With such a level on expertise on init systems, how can you even imagine that your discussion is intelligent?! Your supposedly intelligent discussion is not based on facts. You do not give any reference (a discussion on a BSD forum does not support any fact). Not even when I repetitively ask for such references. I sincerely would like to read on how Red Hat forces systemd onto other distributions, on its wish to have its own kernel, on how systemd makes the system prone to viruses, on how it hides running processes, on how binary logs are less secure... but I guess those are just lies. Like the lies you told about GNOME requiring systemd as a hard dependency, about Kay Sievers trying to hardwire the kernel to require systemd, or about Debian's board replaced with Red Hat employees. I took the time to show you, through references, that all this is pure bullshit: https://trisquel.info/forum/could-trisquel-8-switch-mate#comment-71427 https://trisquel.info/forum/could-trisquel-8-switch-mate#comment-71493 https://trisquel.info/forum/could-systemd-be-inconvenient-portability#comment-71619 I have better things to do. Unfortunately, those users, who feel entitled to discuss technical topics they know nothing about, tend to be more and more numerous. They repeat the lies like-minded users wrote before them. And the whole thing generates tensions. Tollef Fog Heen wrote in http://err.no/personal/blog/tech/Debian/2014-11-16-23-55_resigning_from_pkg-systemd about a poisonous environment: Apparently, people care when you, as privileged person (white, male, long-time Debian Developer) throw in the towel because the amount of crap thrown your way just becomes too much. I guess that's good, both because it gives me a soap box for a short while, but also because if enough people talk about how poisonous the well that Debian is has become, we can fix it. Are we here to discuss this intelligently or only squabble about who is right or wrong? Are you really writing that an intelligent discussion should not be based on right things, on facts? Incredible. If the later, this long time opensource advocate is not interested. Good. Let us stop here. Please. This long time *free software* advocate is not interested in discussing with people that believe that lies are OK.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I find out which mixed licenses DuckDuckGo is running under in GNUIceCat?
Oh, I see. I haven't gotten that far yet with Trisquel or Tor yet.
[Trisquel-users] Fresh install of Trisquel isn't finding my WiFi signal from my router
Hello, I just finished installing Trisquel on my other laptop. Unfortunately, when I booted into the desktop for the first time, it isn't finding my WiFi signal from my router and automatically connecting. Down in the system tray at the bottom right hand corner there's a Wifi symbol, but when I click on it, a pop-up menu shows the following: VPN Connections, Enable Networking (with a checkmark next to it), and an edit notepad. But this is all I get. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uninstalled metapackage trisquel-mini, lost WiFi
Success! I now have WiFi. I'm hoping that Trisquel Mini will appear when I reboot. I had strange messages when I booted my computer. They looked quite bad. The dmesg output is attached. # ifconfig up up: error fetching interface information: Device not found However, ifconfig wlan0 up did work. # ifconfig wlan0 essid ATT2G3X2z5 Error for wireless request Set ESSID (8B1A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation already in progress. Ping to example.net succeeded.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could systemd be an inconvenient on portability?
the hyperbole is thick with some. systemd is as much a practical concern as it is a philosophical concern. It violates the Unix and GNU/Linux principles. Keep in mind that GNU/Linux was designed to not be Unix, but Unix like, it was not designed to be a free and opensource version of Windows or Apple for example. systemd also has the problem of taking GNU/Linux closer towards being more Windowish. As an example, one great feature of Unix and GNU has been the low risk of malware and viruses, and if someone does happen upon one, the damage is minimized, due to structure of the system. systemd, however, also introduces some virus problems (potential anyway), the autoreloading feature, can cause a malware program to continue to reboot/reload creating an endless loop. This was addressed by Linus to Pottering, whose reply was something along the lines of who cares, we will fix that in the future. Besides the benefits outweigh the risk. I am not addressing conspiracies, just practical concerns. SysV was never made a requirement, nor OpenRC, nor BSD style scripts etc..., yet systemd is, that should raise questions. If something is great, then why not let people and distros, choose to either use it or not. Onpon, don't be ridiculous, it is the 30+ year developers who are the most concerned with systemd, the ones jumping on the bandwagon tend to be the under 30 year old group, who were in diapers when the old timers created the foundation of the systems that we all enjoy. Good question, why are the older programmers not liking systemd, why are their concerns considered conspiratorial and not taken into consideration? Again, perhaps, more questions should be raised and perhaps, systemd should slowly be analysed and introduced rather than pushed on the community. If it is great for RedHat, why not let them keep it like SELinux? If they want to make it a requirement for themselves, have at it... It is a good thing that Trisquel is LTS perhaps over the next few years another alternative will come up, or perhaps systemd will be reigned in and return to just being a more modern init system. It is laughable, that the original idea behind systemd, was to make it easier for junior coders and administrators to not have to remember different scripts or to even learn scripting in the first place, just tell them to type systemctl start... systemctl enable That alone says alot. Why onpon and Magic Banana cannot discuss this civilly is beyond me.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could systemd be an inconvenient on portability?
For instance, using systemd to start an UNIX service (for instance the HTTP server lighttpd) is not an obstacle to portability Systemd as an init maybe not for the time being. But I meant to systemd as any of it's components, like logind or udev. Bear in mind that the primary goal of GNU/Linux (at least for free software supporters) is to provide a fully free operating system. Portability is a technical consideration; it is usually good to have, but it is not a requirement of a fully free OS. I completely agree with the first sentence, GNU should always have freedom as the first priority. But GNU also has compatibly between *nix systems as a nice and desirable thing to have, although not a critical requirement of course. I don't agree with it is usually good to have. Why usually? Are there situations where portability isn't good to have?
[Trisquel-users] Translation Issue
Today I took the time to translate a little bit the documentation to Spanish, so because I'm not a programmer at least I can help with it... I didn't notice I left Philosphy instead of Filosofía. And now it wouldn't let me change it. Do you know how to do it? https://trisquel.info/es/wiki/philosophy And it's a bigger issue because this one depends on that one (which I also took the time to translate): https://trisquel.info/es/wiki/especificaci%C3%B3n-sobre-libertad
[Trisquel-users] Security Enhanced Linux Kernel? Eh? What's going on here? O.o!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux Wow. I'm just SHOCKED! Why was it released under GPL and no one has stopped them from re-licensing it?
