Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Excuse my $.02, but anyway: DE, GNU, KDE are abbreviations. USER, CAPS, and IDEA look like shout no matter what they are.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
You know, there's no such thing as "GNU free". GNU is an operating system. Calling something "GNU free" makes about as much sense as calling something "Linux open source". In any case, what are you talking about? All software distributed in Trisquel's repositories is libre. You don't need to check. How easy it is to actually set the DE up depends on the specific DE. I don't see any reason for that to mean that Trisquel should have an edition for every single DE that exists (the only way to make it possible to "EASILY change my Desktop Environment to choose what I prefer").
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
LXQT is not really as stable as LXDE. The menus especially sometimes 'hang' and stay there after clicking somewhere else. I would argue that it isn't really much more lightweight than XFCE while losing some of the features of the good LXDE panel. XFCE should replace LXDE, as that is more advanced while being relatively lightweight.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
> Whyever not? As you say yourself in another comment, the less hardware resources the DE uses, the more of them are available to run applications. Because GNOME is easier to use than LXDE. (I can't comment specifically on Englightenment.) Maximum performance isn't everything. > These are the facts, and no amount of repeating your claim that Fallback is "unusually lightweight" (relative to what? KDE? Unity?) changes them. Unusually lightweight for the main DE choice. Let's run through some popular distros: Debian - GNOME Shell Ubuntu - Unity Mint - Cinnamon Noticing a trend? All of these are heavier than GNOME Flashback. > Now I think you are intentionally misinterpreting my comments. What I was referring to as "patronising" was calling my perfectly functional computer a "potato" because it doesn't run GNOME Fallback well. My mom has some kind of custom computer with a Pentium 4 CPU and some kind of ATI integrated GPU (so, no hardware acceleration). The only thing it has going for it is the RAM. I think it has 2 GB, though it might be 1 GB; I'm not entirely sure. It has absolutely no problem running GNOME Flashback. So... yes, I think it's perfectly accurate to refer to a computer that can't handle GNOME Flashback as a "potato". But seriously, are you really taking that remark so personally? It's not an insult or attack. It's just a metaphor to describe how incredibly low your computer's specs are. > As for your model conversation, all that wasted time and frustration for that user, especially if they're new to GNU/Linux, could be avoided by making "Mini" the default You're talking about "wasted time and frustration" for an extremely small portion of the population, and exchanging a solution to that for frustration of everyone else by making a DE that can't do anything advanced and/or is difficult to use the default. This is not a useful strategy for attracting new users. If you want to be a power user and make your system as lightweight as possible, use Parabola or Dragora.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I said before: There should be a web or something that allow users to choose all the (GNU free) proposes everyone desire, easily. Choose Themes like Icecat Extensions. I expose the ideas but we all have to make them work fast.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
> *sigh* Yes, I know that. But there's no point having all those resources available at the kernel level if none of the user-facing software makes use of it. Like... games? Web browsers? These are the types of programs that fully utilize the capabilities of your hardware. No DE worth its salt makes extensive use of any hardware capabilities. Even the most heavy DEs use only a few hundred megabytes of RAM, and the use of hardware acceleration is minimal. And then there's the matter of the CPU itself, which any good DE barely has an impact on at all. > They use those extra resources because they provide extra functions, and yes, this includes a certain amount of eye candy, particularly in KDE and Unity. If you deny this obvious fact, then I can only conclude you are being contrary for the sake of it, and there's no point trying to continue a discussion with you. Yes, but you're making an absurdly weak justification for describing GNOME as "a DE that can make use of all the potential of their hardware". It can't, and if it could, it would not be good as a desktop environment. This description, and the name "Maxi", makes GNOME, KDE, Unity, and Cinnamon sound like unnecessarily bloated environments whose sole purpose is to look pretty at the expense of usability. That is not even close to true. You are also putting emphasis where it doesn't belong. I wouldn't buy a lightbulb because it "can make use of all the potential of your electrical system", i.e. uses as much energy as my electrical system is capable of outputting. That would be an absurd thing for me to look for. I would buy a lightbulb because it's bright enough for my use-case. Looking at energy usage, I would consider more to be a downside, not a benefit! The exact same thing is true of desktop environments making use of RAM and other resources. No sane user picks a desktop environment because it uses more resources. They pick a desktop environment because it works for them better, and if two DEs are equivalent in that regard, the one that consumes less resources is always the better choice.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I created another thread for this, as 'pragmatist' recommended: https://trisquel.info/es/forum/recommended-licenses-other-works-related-free-software To answer you what impression I have about trisquel attendance, I should create another thread. Thanks.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Yes! Thank you for ending that discussion.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
LOL I was just about to flag this guy as a troll--something which the rest of you have probably figured out already. Then I see he labels himself with such transparent projection. I'll bite anyway. Simple summary of this thread-in-a-thread: 1. You made a suggestion 2. We understood it, and told you we are not interested 3. We suggested you add the improvement yourself if you want to. 4. The shouting troll persists. 5.) give it a rest? please! There is a troll hole and we should drop this sub-thread into it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
1. GNU Free: Okay, you have your names, and I have mine. I agree with Free Software, I am interested in GNU Free Software, but I have my own vision about it. GNU Free = Freedom accordingly to GNU Licenses 2. Desired DE: Please, read yourselves. Is it incorrect that for an USER like me is not intuitive to achieve the appearance similar to other DE? 3. GNU Free Themes Web: I told you an IDEA, as an USER of Free Software. I am not programmer. I desire that. It is similar Icecat Extensions. I would do it if I could. Remark: Iam not shouting when I use CAPS, I am remarking. It exists different usages of CAPS. Is it 'DE' a shout? Please, I am not an enemy, I am an user. I would like to use Free Software and let everybody to do it. Thanks.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I've been using xfce since the last time I installed Trisquel a few months ago. I had never taken the time to set it up the way I like it. This time I did and it has everything I need. I set the window buttons applet up so that all the windows from all the workspaces are available on the panel so that I can switch between tasks quickly without cluttering up the desktop. The panel is a lot less buggy that the gnome panel and handles transparency a lot better. It can easily be set up to look like the classic gnome trisquel desktop. Here's a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/qacJnsU.png
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
> Please, I would like to know which licenses are all they, to choose > without fear materials that respect Free Software philosophy. Libre software philosophy isn't a law. You will not get punished for using proprietary software, whether it's on purpose or accidental. I don't live in "fear" of the licenses of works being proprietary. I reject proprietary software (where possible) and disapprove of proprietary culture. That's it. If I accidentally run a proprietary program (perhaps because I didn't notice that the license was proprietary; this happened to me with Mari0), I simply say "oops", correct the problem (delete the program from my hard drive), and move on.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
1. GNU Free: It is said in https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses that these licenses should be avoided. 2. Desired DE: Appearance (Themes + Docks, Windows MAnagers...) is what an user wants to change (according to FSF Philosophy). And that is what is not easy for us. 3. GNU Free Themes Web: OK, I just wanna to easily know what I can use (according to FSF Philosophy) to change the desktop appearance.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
You should make a new thread for this. This thread asks "what is your favorite DE?". Your question is "what licenses would apply to typography?".
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
some interesting things from other people that I read in the sub-thread: 1. We should care about Free Typography: * I dicovered 'GNU Free Fonts' here https://www.gnu.org/software/freefont/ 2. Licensing can be tricky: Different ethical rules apply to non-functional works. (rms distributes all its articles/talks under the CC BY-ND, which is "non-free" if applied to functional works such as software and documentation). Most themes (and other materials) are under licenses that let the user non-commercially redistribute the theme. The FSF would be OK. Please, I would like to know which are all they, to choose without fear materials that respect Free Software philosophy. Thanks.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
4. Typography: You're right about typography. I am using Icecat into different OS (Trisquel now). I was not imposing my own typography, like almost everyone who write something on internet, even I was trying everytime to be Free Software respectful. That's what I am talking about. I can ask and try to learn how to follow Free software Philosophy. I changed my web browser to Icecat because it is Free Software, and then it has a problem with typography on other OS. Ok, now I'll have to learn how to change typography. Every user will have to pass through it? That is why I am so proud of Trisquel: Because the OS is fully respectful with Free Software. And users can follow Free Software Philosophy with no doubts. And that is what I was talking about all the time. 5. " who believes that everybody is patronizing him when they explain something he does not (want to) understand " -lol, you are right. Thank you for all your efforts to help. Remark: Now, Is it typography right?
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
1. GNU Free: I only was defending my choice of words 'GNU Free'. Free Software License Kaos: I agree with Libre Software and I wanna know inmidiately if I fulfill. I don't say other licenses are bad, but I am an USER and I don't want to think about every license of what I am using. FSF was the first and the best about Free Software, so its licenses are which I wanna check and use. 2. Desired DE: "customize the appearance of your desktop. Most users don't ..." -Please read current thread right from the begining or ask other OS users. "User-friendliness is a feature (like accessibility, security, etc.), not a freedom" -I completely desagree. To end this, Why are you asking about what DE we desire? I repeat: "In my opinion, the DE should be the most attractive and usefull possible. And then, let the user to EASILY change from one to another. I saw some distributions that allow to choose Gnome, XFCE or KDE from the Login Screen." 3. GNU Free Themes Web: "the most common opinion at the FSF is that, contrary to software, artistic works only need to be freely redistributable (freedom 2) to be ethical". -OK. Thank you. But I don't know which are they and its names. Also, it is not simple to check the Creative Commons compatibility with GNU Licences. See my question: https://trisquel.info/es/forum/buscador-de-im%C3%A1genes-libres (spanish) EXAMPLES: http://www.everystockphoto.com/ Attribution License: YES NO? Attribution NonDerivs License:YES NO? Attribution NonCommercial License: YES NO? Attribution NonCommercial Non Derivs License: YES NO? Attribution NonCommercial ShareAlike License: YES NO? Attribution ShareAlike License: YES NO? Public Domain: YES NO? Custom Free License: YES NO? Google/Images: Reuse with modifications: YES NO? Reuse: YES NO? Reuse Non Commercial with modifications: YES NO? Reuse Non Commercial: YES NO? Thank you.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
HA HA HA HA HA ... Now I am shouting. I would like to use italic or bold fonts to remark something, but oh, wait...! Programmers can in this thread but I can't becasue I am just an italic:'user'. Oh, you mean programmers must agree on a common language to users, right? C'mon, you're like trisquel trolls. Please, i beg you. :(
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Yes, Plank is pretty great. I did not have enough imagination to realize it could be used like this, though. I suspect the clock etc. on the bottom right is not related to Plank.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
1. GNU Free = GNU GLP and compatible really free licences according to the Free Software Foundation. Freedom according to GNU Licenses. 2.In my opinion, the DE should be the most attractive and usefull possible. And then, let the user to EASILY change from one to another. I saw some distributions that allow to choose Gnome, XFCE or KDE from the Login Screen. 3. There should be a web or something that allow users to choose all the Themes(GNU free) that everyone desire, easily. Choose Themes like Icecat Extensions. Theme= Windows + 'GTK+' + Icons + Cursor
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
RE 1. So, what is your suggestion to name things that are Free according to the GNU Licenses and compatible ones? RE 2. Please, take a look to the different themes that people choose. They tell us how they did it, and it is not really EASY for an USER like me. I wanted to apply a look similar to OSX and it was not intuitive. (Cairo Dock, compiz ...) RE 3. You know there only a couple of themes on the repository. I am talking about a web like gnome-look.org but only with GNU Free Themes. Where everybody can contribute with theirs, according to Free Licenses and should be EASY for an USER to select. LIKE Icecat Extensions: https://trisquel.info/en/browser/addons Don't be angry. And thanks for your attention.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
> 1. So, what is your suggestion to name things that are Free according to the GNU Licenses and compatible ones? "Libre software". Or "free software", if you prefer. It's not that difficult. > They tell us how they did it, and it is not really EASY for an USER like me. I wanted to apply a look similar to OSX and it was not intuitive. I'm sorry, but being libre doesn't mean a program is perfect. If you think making a new theme that looks like Mac OS X is too hard, you have the liberty to improve the software. > I am talking about a web like gnome-look.org but only with GNU Free Themes. Where everybody can contribute with theirs (according to Free Licenses) and that can be EASY for an USER to select. LIKE Icecat Extensions: https://trisquel.info/en/browser/addons Ooookay, go ahead and make one, then. No one's stopping you. I'm pretty sure that themes don't contain any software, so you're not going to find many people who are overly concerned about such a source of themes (which I'm pretty sure often exist, by the way, though not being interested in themes I havene't looked) containing only libre themes. By the way, why do you keep SHOUTING? I saw you say "easily" and "user" just fine the first time. Constantly putting these words in ALL CAPS makes you look incredibly condescending.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
> I saw some distributions that allow to choose Gnome, XFCE or KDE from the Login Screen. That's a feature of the display manager (login screen) and has nothing to do with what the default DE is. Trisquel has this and will continue to have it. > 3. There should be a web or something that allow users to choose all the Themes(GNU free) that everyone desire, easily. Choose Themes like Icecat Extensions. Themes are installable as packages from the repository. > 1. GNU Free = GNU GLP and compatible really free licences according to the Free Software Foundation. Freedom according to GNU Licenses. The GNU GPL is called what it is because it was made for GNU, by Richard Stallman. The origin of the definition of "free software" is Richard Stallman and the FSF. The GPL is just one license that follows that definition. Also, not all libre licenses are compatible with the GNU GPL.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I am an USER. I want to EASILY change my Desktop Environment to choose what I prefer. I don't want to investigate everytime if it is GNU FREE or not. THANKS.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Openbox + Plank Dock. Actually I used Cub Linux.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
As of now, I've installed GNOME, XFCE, i3WM, and fluxbox in addition to the default Trisquel. I'm using fluxbox these days as I find it very stable. But I like them all in different ways. Then there are the email clients. I have evolution, alpine, mutt, icedove, claws, and geary. If I'm not happy with one program, I check out one of its alternatives. My point is that people like us have no problem using the repositories to custom design our systems. If we want to attract more people to Trisquel, focus on the people who are less inclined to use the repositories as much as we are. The default DE should be for them.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I'm in IBM THINKPAD T42 too. And still use Puppy Linux, because y don't have time to make a net installation with open box. And use Trisquel Mini with "forcepae" to use specifics programs like: youtube-dl (install python in Puppy Slacko is a pain in the ass) and Freac. Anyway is good to know about someona who has Trisquel in the same machine.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
> Perhaps I should have said "make all the potential of your hardware *available*. I'm talking about things like 16GB RAM, or support for 64bit, or desktops with powerful graphics cards. No, the DE has nothing to do with availability of RAM, the GPU, or "support for 64bit". I don't know why you seem to think features like these are only available if you use a modern desktop environment. On the contrary, using a lightweight desktop environment means these resources can be allocated more to other programs (like games). This used to be really important in the 1990s; that's why a lot of games at the time were designed to be run in DOS. It's not so important nowadays because the reduction in performance is negligible. It's the kernel that's responsible for making all the features of your hardware available. Whether or not 64-bit support is enabled on x86-64 CPUs depends on how you boot it (whether you boot it in "long mode" or "legacy mode").
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
>> Yes, but that doesn't mean we should be presenting the absolute most lightweight DE we can find to everyone. > What are you talking about? Trisquel already has an unusually lightweight DE for a modern GNU/Linux distro as it is.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I don't have a strong opinion here since everyone will just use the DE they prefer. However, I have just one opinion to share: MATE > GNOME flashback/fallback/classic and I believe MATE is getting to be a very mainstream DE than the early days. The reason I say better is because I think it makes more sense to just use a DE that supports the traditional desktop metaphor than to use extensions for GNOME 3.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
>> It's the kernel that's responsible for making all the features of your hardware available.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
The first thing I want to make clear is that my intention here is not to attack Trisquel, the Trisquel community, or fully free distros in general. I speak as a member of this community, committed to the cause of software freedom, and sharing my experiences with Trisquel in the hopes that this will be helpful. The laptop you describe sounds very similar to the laptop I'm running. 1GB RAM, 1.6GB Atom processor (click on my username to see ful specs of both my laptops), originally sold with XP. Trisquel 6 with Fallback worked well on that laptop when I first installed it, but I have been having hanging and freezing problems for years, which were only solved when I switched to Enlightenment. I just installed Mini today, and it's running well so far, although there are a few issues, especially with Midori (fullscreen behaves weirdly, no WebRTC support etc). Obviously the age of the computer is not the only variable in performance. Desktops often have higher specs than laptops sold the same year, and there has been a huge increase in the range of specs being sold at any given time, with cheaper computers having lower specs. Clearly its not only RAM size and processor speed that affect the performance of graphical desktops either. There are also specs like cache size and speed, the size and speed of processors/ RAM in graphics chipsets and how well the free code driver supports them, frontside bus speed, hard drive seek time etc etc. My point is that an OS that will support the oldest, least powerful PC will also support any PC that is newer or more powerful. If we want to make fully free software a real possibility for the maximum number of users, surely this is what we should be aiming for? Calling the PC I have a "potato" is funny, but not particularly helpful. Imagine I was a newcomer here, with no ability to afford any other hardware, seeking advice on how to run a fully free OS. Supporting me to achieve that would be a win for software freedom. Patronising me so I go looking for a more user-friendly distro and more welcoming community, even if that distro includes non-free components, would be a loss. Just think about it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
>> It also doesn't "make use of all the potential" of your hardware. That would be a terrible design for a desktop environment; you have to use the hardware for other things, too.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
> My point is that an OS that will support the oldest, least powerful PC will also support any PC that is newer or more powerful. Yes, but that doesn't mean we should be presenting the absolute most lightweight DE we can find to everyone. > Supporting me to achieve that would be a win for software freedom. Patronising me so I go looking for a more user-friendly distro and more welcoming community, even if that distro includes non-free components, would be a loss. Just think about it. What are you talking about? Trisquel already has an unusually lightweight DE for a modern GNU/Linux distro as it is. And how is having a "mini" version designed for people with old or weak hardware equivalent to, as you call it, "patronising" them? This is approximately the conversation that would happen with pretty much any reasonable person if GNOME Shell was Trisquel's default: New user: "Trisquel is really slow on my computer. Is there any way I can speed it up?" Us: "Try Trisquel Mini. It's designed for slower hardware. Here's how to install it..." New user: "Thanks! I've switched to Trisquel Mini and it runs much smoother."
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Trisquel: GNOME Shell by default or GNOME Classic (GNOME Shell + extensions for GNOME 2 classic style) like Red Hat Enterprise. Trisquel KDE: KDE 15.12.1 [1] Trisquel Mini: LXQt 0.10 (now available on Ubuntu 16.04 Xenial repositories)[2] [1] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=xenial=kde [2] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=xenial=lxqt
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
It looks like he right clicked on the desktop and it gave him ChromeOS/ChromiumOS options.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
So the Plank dock can sit at the bottom and go the full length? That screen kinda reminds me of the Budgie desktop.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
XFCE. It's got features of newer DEs, and does everything Trisquels default DE does while being more customizable and using way less RAM and CPU. It's just so much better than Trisquels default in all the ways.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
20151113xiaodaige moncler jackets supra shoes uggs outlet louis vuitton handbags outlet nfl jersey wholesale hermes birkin bag hermes outlet store babyliss flat iron giuseppe zanotti outlet barbour jackets coach outlet store ysl outlet tiffany and co coach handbags outlet pandora outlet moncler outlet store louis vuitton handbags outlet marc jacobs kobe shoes pittsburgh steelers gucci,borse gucci,gucci sito ufficiale,gucci outlet cyber monday deals ugg boots nike air huarache the north face outlet mbt shoes outlet michael kors handbags soccer jerseys wholesale tory burch outlet online cheap jordan shoes michael kors outlet michael kors outlet herve leger dresses fred perry polo shirts michael kors outlet sale nike air huarache hollister canada ugg boots lululemon pants longchamp handbags outlet nfl jerseys philadelphia eagles boston celtics swarovski outlet tiffany outlet ferragamo outlet michael kors outlet cheap wedding dresses north face outlet green bay packers prada outlet online mizuno running shoes new york jets roshe run men michael kors outlet online true religion jeans air max 90 chicago bulls polo shirts ugg outlet michael kors handbags converse shoes michael kors handbags fitflop sale cheap nike shoes rolex watches,rolex,watches for men,watches for women,omega watches,replica watches,rolex watches for sale,rolex replica,rolex watch,cartier watches,rolex submariner,fake rolex,rolex replica watches,replica rolex nike trainers asics,asics israel,asics shoes,asics running shoes,asics israel,asics gel,asics running,asics gel nimbus,asics gel kayano mulberry uk ray ban outlet hollister clothing uggs outlet ray ban,rayban,occhiali ray ban,ray-ban,ray ban occhiali,ray ban sunglasses ugg boots karen millen uk oakley sunglasses cheap football shirts barbour jackets ray ban sunglasses cleveland cavaliers chicago bears lebron shoes cheap uggs wedding dresses uk ray-ban sunglasses ugg clearance lacoste shirts swarovski crystal oakland raiders louis vuitton bags cheap coach outlet online nike running shoes oakley,occhiali oakley,oakley italia,oakley occhiali,oakley sunglasses nhl jerseys cheap ugg boots north face jackets nike foamposite michael kors outlet ugg outlet store kansas city chiefs mcm backpack instyler ionic styler tods outlet kobe 9 vans shoes michael kors outlet chanel handbags outlet lebron shoes ralph lauren,polo ralph lauren,ralph lauren outlet,ralph lauren italia,ralph lauren sito ufficiale canada goose outlet oakley sunglasses louis vuitton outlet store air force 1 shoes tory burch outlet online louis vuitton,borse louis vuitton,louis vuitton sito ufficiale,louis vuitton outlet nike air max new york knicks north face outlet canada goose outlet ghd uk swarovski crystal hermes belt for sale uggs outlet cheap soccer jerseys thomas sabo outlet louis vuitton outlet online air jordan shoes for sale michael kors outlet miami heat atlanta falcons oakley sunglasses wholesale woolrich outlet store ugg boots clearance,ugg australia,uggs on sale,ugg slippers,uggs boots,uggs outlet,ugg boots,ugg,uggs salomon shoes black friday 2015 north face outlet store air max shoes san francisco 49ers oakley sunglasses timberland shoes replica handbags,replica handbags outlet,cheap handbags,purses and handbags,wholesale replica handbags,replica bags,bags outlet,replica handbags wholesale,cheap purses,discount handbags,handbags sale,wholesale purses,handbags and purses,replica purses the north face outlet michael kors uk discount ugg boots winter jackets michael kors outlet parajumpers outlet indianapolis colts true religion jeans outlet new york giants oakley sunglasses wholesale ray-ban sunglasses baltimore ravens true religion outlet arizona cardinals ugg outlet oakley canada toms outlet store canada goose coats michael kors outlet online canada goose jackets mont blanc pens coach outlet store winter coats air jordan 11 abercrombie and fitch mac cosmetics denver broncos christian louboutin shoes coach outlet store louis vuitton handbags rolex watches,rolex watches,swiss watches,watches for men,watches for women,omega watches,replica watches,rolex watches for sale,rolex replica,rolex watch,cartier watches,rolex submariner,fake rolex,rolex replica watches,replica rolex air jordan 13 golden state warriors snow boots nike roshe michael kors factory store los angeles clippers michael kors handbags sale pandora outlet michael kors handbags clearance prada outlet louis vuitton outlet store mlb jerseys nike mercurial puma outlet ray ban outlet camisetas futbol baratas moncler outlet lacoste pas cher designer handbags,handbags outlet,cheap handbags,purses and handbags,wholesale handbags,designer bags,bags outlet,handbags wholesale,cheap purses,discount handbags,handbags sale,wholesale purses,handbags and purses,designer purses michael kors outlet online beats by dre swarovski crystal abercrombie and fitch oakley outlet store ralph lauren outlet coach outlet air max 2014 dallas
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
About 3D DEs: If it runs Vista (many 8-year-oldlaptops do), it runs GNOME 3 (and probably KDE too but I haven't tested KDE on a Vista laptop).
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
It's based on Gnome. I'd have to say, the Manjaro implementation looks amazing! It looks like what Windows 10 should have been.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I wouldn't say the best options in that case because battery life is outweighted by many other functionalities for beginners/newcomers. But if you're interested in battery life without going for the tiled window managers, Openbox+dzen2 is an even less demanding combo.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Yep, I'd say that's accurate. I'd also say it's accurate that if it runs Windows XP, it can run MATE.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
LXDE, a hint of TWM-Based desktop enviroments, GNOME (for the full trisquel) and a FLOSS version of Windows explorer for unix-like operating systems
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Jaded is right - I ran it on an absolutely crappy atom with 1gb ram (full ISO, not mini). It had a freshly installed (by the dude who sold it to me for 50 bucks) Windows 7 Starter ed. and that took 4 minutes to boot and 600 mb RAM on boot. Unusable. I installed Trisquel fallback and it ran flawlessly. Laptops from 2005 can run it just as good if not better.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Then I assume that the accessibility programs are still there (which is what I was trying to say, but it wasn't very clear/properly worded).
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
> owning hardware newer than 5 years old is a privilege, not the norm GNOME Shell ran fine on my old laptop with 2 GB of RAM. This was a budget laptop (only a couple hundred dollars when it was bought) from 2007. That's 8 years old. Of course, it had an Intel GPU which could do hardware acceleration, but that's only relevant to whether it can run GNOME Shell well; a similar computer with a Radeon GPU would run GNOME Flashback or MATE just fine. > Rather than having a "Mini" option, I would create a "Maxi" option for new users with computers 1-2 years old, featuring a DE that can make use of all the potential of their hardware, and give them all the eye candy I presume they expect. I think you are misunderstanding the purpose of GNOME 3's design. It's not "eye candy". In fact, GNOME Shell doesn't have a whole lot of eye candy. Its purpose is to make it easy to pick up and use the system without having to learn how to use it. I think it accomplishes this goal quite well. It also doesn't "make use of all the potential" of your hardware. That would be a terrible design for a desktop environment; you have to use the hardware for other things, too. Even KDE doesn't do that, and that DE is known to be extremely heavy. Advertising GNOME Shell as if it's an extremely power-hungry DE only suitable for those who have very recent hardware would not only be wrong, it would turn off pretty much everyone, including those who would benefit from GNOME Shell's easier design. > GNOME Fallback doesn't run on this PC without throwing me into swap hell How much RAM do you have? 2 GB of RAM was low-end in 2007, and my system is currently using about 1.4 GiB (that's with a Web browser and several other things open). I looked for a report on RAM usage of desktop environments, and this was the best report I could find, from 2013: https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops/ Even KDE, the heaviest RAM user of all of the DEs tested, used only 201 MB by itself. GNOME 3 (with GNOME Shell) used 155 MB by itself. That's enough to cause a problem with real usage (you have to run other programs, after all), but not enough to prevent you from running the desktop environment at all if you have at least 1 GB of RAM. In fact, I can speak on this from personal experience: I once accidentally left one of the RAM cards in that old laptop I mentioned partly dislodged, reducing the available RAM to 1 GB. I was always using GNOME Shell at the time. I did notice a performance hit, but it not from running GNOME at all. The performance hit happened when I opened a few programs that used a substantial amount of RAM, on top of GNOME Shell.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
>> if GNOME flashback is heavy for your PC, you're running a potato and should be using Trisquel Mini.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Rewording the norm to maxi and making mini the norm doesn't change a thing, besides feeling in the norm or something if you have a super old machine. But it raises an interesting question : what that norm actually is. The main "Ubuntu/Debian/other very popular distro" LiveCD is (correct me if I'm wrong) a full-blown liveCD (GNOME/KDE). Why? It's easy to assume that that choice is made because most machines can handle it (beyond the 2 years old limit). I know, two assumptions in a row, but for example this, from the Debian website: We recognize that there are only two important classes of users: the novice, and the expert. We will do everything we can to make things very easy for the novice, while allowing the expert to tweak things if they like. We will try to ensure that software is configured for the most common desktop use. For instance, the regular user account added by default during installation should have permission to play audio and video, print, and manage the system through sudo. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-desktop/ If Enlightment is too demanding to set up, it will be too demanding to update (most likely). There's also LXDE, even ligther than XFCE.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I like the idea of making the normal edition small, so that the other one is called maxi instead of mini. Couldn't it be enough to make the original iso-image 700 MB big, so that it fits onto a CD, like in earlier times? Every GNU/Linux user has to learn what package management is very soon anyway, so it would be no problem to tell them: If you want the maxi version, just download the metapackage xyz-maxi right after seting up your system. As some people here are talking of their old computers and the corresponding RAM: I own two laptops, one from 2005 and the other one from around 2006 (i bought it 2nd hand). They have 512 MB RAM. The only thing that was ever broken was the hard drive of one of them. And its battery is not much worth anymore, it lasts not even half an hour even without running many programs. But i don't need it to run longer on battery. So, why should i buy a new laptop? Time has passed quickly, so it seems now - i am 10 years older now than when i bought my first laptop! But i still have it. Developers are going ahead all the time, making me feel running a potatoe (good expression, didn't know that one). Consider how old your stereo sound system is, or the one of your parents - it is still running and playing the cd's well, even after 20+, or even 30+ years. So, a change in focus in the GNU/Linux world would be good. I'm glad Trisquel is offering a mini version.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Mate, when I said he was using a potato, I meant it. I'm using full Trisquel on a ten-year-old desktop, and it works well enough. It's a Dell Dimension (something-something.) Doesn't even have USB ports. :p If your computer can't do what this desktop can do, your computer is a potato.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
> Couldn't it be enough to make the original iso-image 700 MB big, so that it fits onto a CD, like in earlier times? Maybe, maybe not. Debian was having great difficulty trying to fit GNOME into 700 MB, and that was one of the reasons they considered switching to Xfce. For the main version of the system, I don't see any particular reason why it should have to fit on a CD. Most computers today that have an optical drive at all can read and boot from DVDs just the same as CDs. For a "mini" version, maybe. > I own two laptops, one from 2005 and the other one from around 2006 (i bought it 2nd hand). They have 512 MB RAM. The only thing that was ever broken was the hard drive of one of them. And its battery is not much worth anymore, it lasts not even half an hour even without running many programs. But i don't need it to run longer on battery. > So, why should i buy a new laptop? 512 MB should be enough to handle MATE. Xfce is very similar in terms of RAM usage, and the original OpenPandora manages to meaningfully use Xfce with half as much RAM. The thing is, if you have a tiny amount of RAM, you know this, and as such you know to go for more lightweight DEs. Additionally, I don't think it's typical for users to have such a small amount of RAM, and I don't think a small subset of users should be treated as the default. You should be accounted for, but a "mini" version based on MATE should account for you just fine.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Am i the only one who thinks xfce and lxde are the best options? probably... seeing as i am more interested in battery life. Meh, XFCE is my favorite. but the mini lxde is also good.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
> If it is not an option, I hope MATE but Nautilus should replace Caja. C'mon, > we have dozens of plugins in Nautilus ready to be installed in synaptic, we > can using those do everything in nautilus with a single right click. Caja is > still very much behind in that department. Nautilus is slow and GTK3-based. Caja is still reasonably fast- or is that only because it is being launched from within MATE, which is just generally faster? Anyway, the whole 'not enough plugins' issue doesn't seem that bad from my experience of Caja under MATE. Installing mate-desktop-environment-extras installs a whole bunch of Caja plugins which are nice to have- like opening terminals, etc. What is lacking exactly?
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Onpon: I used both Xfce and MATE on three different laptops. Xfce uses less ram than MATE. That's a fact.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I see several persons asking for a way to remove the accessibility icon in gnome shell, so I assume it's there by default. I don't know about Trisquel mini (whether it's Mate or XFCE). I didn't use it for long, but I'd vote for GNOME Shell as well (recap of what I've read here): - the most attractive and modern (appeal matters for new users) - the most user-friendly/simple (harder to break, just works) - The 3D accel isn't an issue anymore - Touchscreen-friendly, for those who- modern want it (maybe an accessibility bonus, in a way). The cons? - Flexible, but not as much as the more experienced wish (so what, they're not the target, they can build it the way they want themselves, just like I did). - A bit on the heavy side (that's why the other versions exist. BTW, the netinstall version didn't work for me on Libreboot. I had to make a netinstall from the liveCD). - "not the DE or WM I prefer". Again, if you know about that stuff, you can build it yourself easily from the liveCD. Mate seems fine, but it certainly looks dated. Not the best feature to attract new users. Also, higher configurability means higher chances of breaking things up.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
-- Concerning Defaults -- I would replace Trisquel's current GNOME fallback-based desktop with MATE. Trisquel tries to present an accessible, traditional, and user-friendly desktop experience, and I still think that GNOME 2 itself is the way to do it, rather than having to fight GNOME 3 into shape. GNOME fallback (at least in my experience) has always performed a *lot* slower than MATE, which performs almost as snappily and lightly as Xfce. Not only is MATE reasonably lightweight and responsive (like Xfce) it is very integrated and newbie-friendly (unlike Xfce, which has clear influences from its 'geek' heritage). It is truly the perfect combination of speed and functionality- ideal for a distribution such as Trisquel. If GNOME was replaced with MATE as Trisquel's official DE, I would get rid of Trisquel Mini- MATE is light enough for older hardware anyway, and the continuous maintenance of a separate distribution is just duplication of effort- Trisquel Mini is buggy all over as it is. All effort should be concentrated on the new Trisquel 8 MATE. I would continue to provide only two separate variants of installation ISO- a minimal network installation ISO, and an 'official' variant for newbies with MATE preloaded. -- Concerning the installer -- This is more for me than anyone else (since everyone else seems to be gushing with praise for it)- but I absolutely hate the graphical installer. Not because it's graphical, necessarily (the Debian graphical installer I think is excellent) but more because I don't like the way it doesn't offer much choice and has its options strewn all over the place. I think it is far better (and I daresay more user-friendly) to have an installation procedure that is step-by-step and asks one question at a time. For the Trisquel installer, I would use the Debian text-mode installer as currently offered on the netinstall CD. If graphical prettiness is *absolutely* necessary, then I *suppose* the Debian graphical installer could be offered too, which IMHO has a far nicer layout than the current Trisquel graphical installer. Just replace the Debian banner with a Trisquel one, and job done. -- Concerning the actual OP -- I use Xfce, since my computer is quite slow. I also just generally prefer Xfce, followed closely by MATE.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I don't know about Caja being faster than Nautilus, but it is the file manager of MATE, so if MATE is used, it would make sense to use it for the sake of cohesion.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Indeed, that icon is no longer present. It's not just disabled by default, it's been completely removed. You would have to use an extension to add it back in.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
mate for the standard iso and lxde for trisquel mini
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I will personally be using the netistall .iso and sudo apt-get installing fluxbox and jwm, so I don't really have any monkeys in this circus, but I hope that Trisquel 8 will be available out of the box with a modern, newbie-friendly DE that is pretty, user-friendly, and works as well as possible out of the box on modern hardware and that there will also be a Trisquel-mini for older hardware that does not need to be leeching toxic waste into the groundwater while its former owners take on soul crushing debt to pay for unnecessary upgrades to bells and whistles they don't need. We also have something special here in our user base of people who need accessibility software turned on by default. I would hate to lose that and should remember to pull my own weight a bit more as far as checking the forums and replying to posts from confused newcomers who want to turn these features off. In all honesty, the pretty login sound and general beauty of Brigantia made me sit up and take notice when it first booted up in my virtualization software three or four years ago.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
My favourite DE is xfce, but I think trisquel should use GNOME Shell as default. It's modern, beautiful and good in accesibility. Maybe developers try to mimic windows layout in order to make easier the change from windows to trisquel, but Trisquel default desktop should not be less attractive than debian's.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I totally agree with you: mate for standard lxde for mini
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
gnome-shell please :D.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Cinnamon.panels never disappear when I have Impress start a presentation (at least with presenter view on) MATE.I can't get shadows to appear under MATE's panel, but it's otherwise OK Trisquel-6-&-7 GNOME.I wouldn't mind it if I couldn't debootstrap GNOME Classic as provided by GNOME...it'd be a bit of a revamp compared to previous Trisquel editions, but would that be such a bad thing? Red Hat GNOME..that'd be lovely judjing by the screenshots I've seen of it. I've never tried it though. KDE4Too heavy KDE5.I heard it's lighter than KDE4?
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I like XFCE, definitely!on my debian.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Windows XP
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Maybe we could make a more multimedia friendly version. Directly start kodi, maybe a very simple DE underneath. There isn´t a free multimedia distri out there.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I like Cinnamon,if only for its straightforwardness. I think XFCE would be fine though.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I would prefer GNOME Shell. I know it's a bit heavy, but it's much nicer than GNOME Flashback or MATE. I'm pretty sure Cinnamon would be out of the question because of hardware requirements, and I think Xfce and LXDE may also be out of the question for the main distribution because of a lack of accessibility support (Ruben goes to lengths to ensure that Trisquel is as accessible as possible).
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Mate desktop or Deepin desktop. There is a version of Manjaro with this desktop. Look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TiuI3bsNm4
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
if Depin DE is free software looks awesome what DE is it based on?
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Agreed, asking for the best default DE for the next version and asking for your favorite setup is really not the same. For weaker machines, there's Trisquel Mini. Or a minimal netinstall. Accessibility must be there for both the default and Mini version I suppose. From there, there's the 3D accel thing. Maybe there's a way to detect if it's supported, and go on with the install accordingly. My favorite setup ? I like i3wm : very fast, light, and plain text configuration files (easy to modify). And Openbox the way Crunchbang sets it up is nice and fast for a more classic appearance/use.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I do want to chime in and say that I seriously doubt GNOME Flashback is in any substantial way slower than, say, LXDE. I actually set up my mother's computer with Trisquel Mini for a brief period to see if it made her system run smoother, and she didn't notice a difference, so I changed it back. That computer has an Intel Pentium 4 with some ATI integrated graphics controller (no hardware acceleration whatsoever). I don't know how much RAM it has, but I want to say it's either 1 GB or 2 GB. I've seen an analysis of some kind that found that out of MATE, LXDE, and Xfce, Xfce used the most RAM, followed by LXDE, followed by MATE. Given this and the fact that LXDE isn't noticeably faster than GNOME Fallback on my mother's computer, I tend to suspect that the common belief in LXDE and Xfce being better for lower-end hardware than GNOME Flashback or MATE is a myth. One more point which has already been made elsewhere, but is worth repeating: GNOME Shell does not require hardware acceleration to run. Hardware acceleration is definitely beneficial, but if it's unavailable, it can run entirely in software thanks to some work by the Fedora developers. I haven't tried it, personally, but I tend to suspect that most multi-core CPUs would handle the load reasonably well.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
@tomlukeywood Deepin desktop is a html5 tehnologie and is not based on other desktop. It is from Linux Deepin distribution.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I like Gnome 3 Shell. It looks very modern, and has software rendering for those who can't run free GPU drivers.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Yes, accessibility should be in the default and mini, though, I'd also like to see it in the net install. Debian has offered this for quite a while.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Last time I triede them, LXDE and XFCE panels and desktops were inaccessible, though their menus are. If Trisquel 8 is to have a desktop like this GNOME Fallback, Mate is the way to go. It is very accessible in Debian and Ubuntu. Last time I tried installing Mate in Trisquel 7, I could not get the applets to show up; may try again, following instructions more carefully.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
>The GNOME Fallback is indeed, heavy and eats up quite a lot of memory I ran TRisquel default iso with gnome fallback or flashback whatever it is called on an atom with 1 gb ram. It was fast and smooth. Indeed I reckon it is my third favorite DE after the perfect Xfce and the awesome Mate. It did have some issues though on that atom with integrated Intel GPU and video acceleration. I experienced weird screen flashing on the top and left border of the screen while viewing photos in eye of the gnome (I think that was the application) and the gthumb and others I tried. I recommend you purge compton if your lappy is very slow.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Gnome Shell
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
The modified gnome-fallback desktop Trisquel is using is very good. It is compatible with unity indicators which provides extra functionality and low resources are necessary to its functionality.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
lap4fsf, if GNOME flashback is heavy for your PC, you're running a potato and should be using Trisquel Mini. I think GNOME shell would be a good choice (with the option of flahsback if the user lacks 3D acceleration)-- it's simple, user-friendly, modern, and is touch-screen-friendly. Touch-screens are all the rage now. Or was that a couple years ago?
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
XFCE4 + Compiz + cairo-dock + Macintosh Theme
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
for me MATE its tru Gnome 2
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
My preferences: 1) Gnome Fallback 2) MATE 3) XFCE 4) Gnome Shell or KDE 5 5) Others
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
I vote "using the exact same DE we have in Trisquel 7". It works splendidly and is not too much heavy (I have a single core CPU, no 3d acceleration and still get a nice performance out of it). If it is not an option, I hope MATE but Nautilus should replace Caja. C'mon, we have dozens of plugins in Nautilus ready to be installed in synaptic, we can using those do everything in nautilus with a single right click. Caja is still very much behind in that department.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
Noone| only the window manager OPENBOX is best for me ^_^
Re: [Trisquel-users] What DE do you prefer for Trisquel 8?
You should think about Mate, I am currently using it on an IBM Thinkpad T42 and it works fine. Its the old good Gnome 2 look and higly customizable. For a 2007 machine it should work fine. XFCE is also lightweight, maybe even more than Mate. In the end its about your personal taste. So I would recommend this two. regards, /gheorghe On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 07:15:50 +0100 (CET) no-em...@gnu.com wrote: > Noone| only the window manager > OPENBOX is best for me > ^_^
