date:20040903

I donât know the best way
to answer this post. No matter what procedure I use, it comes up muddy. I think
I will try footnoting things (if they show up in the emailâ this is a new procedure
for me). The footnotes will represent the original threaded email text I am
answering (you should be able to simply *click*
on the footnote number. After all, many of Judyâs posts are lost to me because
I donât know which [colors] are the recent responses.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] is in Dark Red

and

[EMAIL PROTECTED] responds in Green

I have never had a vigorous discussion with
anyone who considers the old law to be in force. I know how "holiness
perfectionists" think and the standard run of the mill denominational
legalist. You (Slade and Tim) are defending something that is as
foreign to me as higher math (you know, division and fractions and
such). The best you will be able to do for me is give me a contextual
thought (your context) of a number of passages that bear on the
subject. That is what I am trying to do for you. Your scriptures and
thinking will be considered. [1]

The problem I see here
is that we [Tim and I] have given many verses, but you state such things as âso what.â This kind of flippant response
makes it hard to continue conversing (perhaps thatâs the point). When Yeshua is
speaking on the mount, Heâs doing what was the standard teaching practice of
the day â He was using Pharisaic techniques to inspire people to apply Torah to
their lives (instead of having a dead, 1,500-year-old document that no longer
applies â similar to the standard Christian view of Torah today). In Yeshuaâs
famous âYou have heard it saidâ but I tell
youâ speeches, Yeshua was not dismissing the Old Testament for a
newer version. If he did, He would have been stoned as a false prophet
(Deuteronomy 13.1-5; cf. Matthew 5.19).Â
For Yeshua to be the promised Messiah and the Prophet Foretold, He had
to uphold Torah and to get people back on the right track in regard to its use
(Deuteronomy 16.15-19). Instead, He is saying, âYou have heard it saidâ and I am telling you that you know only half
the storyââ

Please consider the
following verse: Matthew 23.2-6

You are getting all choked up because the
Lord cautioned the Jewish reader and decendant not to add to His statutes
and judgments? I must admit that my hankie remains dry at this
point.[2]

Ok. Great newsâ I guess.
You seemed to have forgotten the whole point of the conversation with your
question above. The point was: OR SUBTRACT.
We are not to add OR SUBTRACT from Torah.

Two things wrong here. First,
this answer is hardly standard -- there is nothing standard with
that first sentence. Secondly, why not discuss the issues without getting personal.[3]

Why do you think Iâm
getting personal? I am ignorant of much and I freely admit it. Even when I know
I am right J I still hold to the
probability that I may be wrong and require correction. Terry and I have had
many exchanges and I consider what he says to be vitally important to my growth
in Messiah â even when we disagree.

If you know everything,
then please accept my apology because it would be impossible for you to
approach any discussion with an inkling of ignorance. I choose to consider you
human as I am because of the quantity of mistakes to date.

Perhaps an apology for
the use of âignoranceâ is appropriate. If so, please correct me and instruct me
on a more politically correct term because Iâm at a loss here. Would some
derivation of âunawareâ be a softer and more preferable term?

As far as your first
complaint, it is the pat answer I
get when I speak with Christians who deny the relevance of Torah in the
Christian life. You have yet to approach me with even one new idea against the
supposed dichotomy between Torah/Law and Grace (or better stated: the
irrelevance of Torah in the Christian life).

Reconcile this passage to Romans 5:13 - 25.
I believe that I have preciously asked this question.
Silence. Please notice that I left off comments about your
ignorance or refusal to consider the biblical truth of my comments.
I left off your obvious tactic of proof-texting to establish your theory and
omitted any reference or inference to the preaching of a false gospel. I
not only left it off -- I no longer think that way. You are
presenting out of an honest heart. So am I. I hope you
see the point.[4]

This is a standard duck-and-jab technique.
Perhaps you asked that question of someone else? [I tried looking back and I
canât find it (and I do keep records).] I asked you the question regarding
James and you dodged it. Once you have thought it through and have honored me
with your solid, Scripturally based answer, I will spend like time answering
yours.

I must admit to having a loss to understand
why you think I am proof-texting. Can you give examples of this?

You have said one thing that rings true. We
[you and I]

RE: [TruthTalk] Baton Bob










C’mon Terry… be nice! J

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
4:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baton Bob

 

Lance Muir wrote: 

Tim/Slade:A title of interest:Some Messianic Jews
say:'Messianic Judaism is Not Christianity' -Stan Telchin (f'wd by Moische
Rosen) Chosen Books, 

Not even confused Christianity?
Terry

RE: [TruthTalk] Baton Bob

ï








I know of both men you named. I also know many who believe this. This is
an area that will/may have serious repercussions in the Messianic
Judaism/non-Jewish Believer relationsâ if for no other reason: because a lack
of nomenclatural understanding.

 

-- slade

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
5:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baton Bob

 

Tim/Slade:A
title of interest:Some Messianic Jews say:'Messianic Judaism is Not
Christianity' -Stan Telchin (f'wd by Moische Rosen) Chosen Books, 2004.



-
Original Message - 



From: Slade
Henson 



To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Sent: September 01, 2004
17:05

Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] Baton Bob

 

Of course it [the Law] has
[changed]. And you believe that as well, unless you are still butchering
bulls and goats out in your backyard.

 

The duty of the Behor (sacrificing animals for
the family) was a duty performed by the Firstborn son â if one existed (if not,
the father performed the task â poor Tzelofechad). God redeemed the Firstborn
sons and took them for His ownâ HOWEVERâ He chose the whole tribe of Levi for
the task. Therefore the âbackyard butcheryâ was now the âbackwardâ of the
Mishkan/Tabernacle or the Mikdash/Temple. The concepts are all the same. The
Leviim perform the duties of the Firstborn son, therefore the Firstborn son
continued to perform the task.

 

Hereâs another thing to consider. According to
Tradition, Yitzchak/Isaac was boiling red stew for his grandfatherâs funeral
because the culture â then â called for a red stew to be brewed in honor of the
deceased family member. This was a task that was to be performed by a firstborn
son [descendant] of the person who died. That task should have fallen on Esav;
however, Esav was out hunting and doing what was right in his own eyes instead
of performing this important task. Yitzchak was performing the Firstborn tasks;
therefore he was considered the Firstborn because of his actions. [As the story
continues, Esav wanted a portion of that âred stuffâ as the Hebrew text tells
us. He was so insistent upon it (hating his birthright in comparison) because
he must have believed the red soup to contain bloodâ that would (according to
ancient pagans) increase his physical prowess.]

 

The law by which we are judged is no longer a
code of conduct, written in stone or in some way codified.

 

It is now written on the papyrus of the Torah
Scroll, the acid-free paper of your Older Testament portion of your Bible. It
is also written on your heart if you have experienced the Ezekiel 36.25-27
promise that revealed itself in Acts 2. If itâs written there, you will obey it
out of love for the God who redeemed you. After all, the Children of Yisrael
sated, âWe will OBEY and we will HEARâ before they heard. Check out Exodus 19. NOW THATâS FAITH! We, on the other hand,
want to see the writing on the wall before we creatively bypass it and call it
passÃ.

 

While youâre in the dusty section of your Bible,
read Deuteronomy 4.3. What do you think of that one?? That verse includes
little old ME! It gets be âright
hereâ to think that God was thinking of me when He said that!

Â

Rather we are judged in view of an inwardness
that gives us a relationship with God, knowingly or not; that says
"yes" to the faith of Christ and His sacrifice providing our gracious
redemption.Â It is apart from our
obedience to the Law and is based upon a shared experience with the Faith of
Jesus Christ. I am saved by faith because I share in His faith.  It
is not about commandment keeping or a degree of holiness. It is about God's
gracious intervention  -- His decision to receive his prodigal and
adoptive family back into his arms  -- no questions asked.  
Just like I would receive any of my children. The issue is not whether
they (the children) are doing the right thing out there in the world but
whether or not they want to come home.   
And home is a great place to be, Tim.

 

This is a standard answer and it comes from
ignorance. For some reason people think that those who Observe Godâs revealed
will do it for the right to Eternal Life. The Torah was NEVER intended to
perform that function. The first thing you need to doâ to have a meaningful conversation
with Torah Observant believers in Messiah in regards to Torahâ is to come to
this realization. Never assume one who observes the Shabbat, wears tzitziyot,
or keeps the Festival dates does it for some contorted Salvation-based reason.
In all my days, Iâve met only a handful of the Observance who need to hear that
their Eternal Lives are clinging to sinking sand. Tim and I have had hours of
study together and his testimony regarding the value of faith is wholesome.

 

If anything, one who gives the âstandard answerâ
above should be worried in regard to James 2.14-17, realizing that contextually
and culturally, works in this passage is âMitzvotâ which is t

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature









Thank you, John, for your kind words.

 

Todah…

slade

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
12:30 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Christians' authority over nature

 

Terry, Slade, Izzy(?)
and who else:

My wife and I will offer a few words for you this weekend while we celebrate
our fourth year together somewhere over on the coast.   Yes, as we
wake up on Saturday and Sunday mornings, walk out onto the balcony overlooking
the Pacific ocean, watch the Sun rise over there in the East -- we will be
thinking of you.  

Out here, they are saying this storm is twice as large as Andrew.  
God bless this weekend.  

Michael, you and who else?  

John

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature










Try to convince you of that?  Not likely. 
:-)
Terry

 

You may be right because I’ve an understanding of the
Midrashic Tradition. I am open, however to learn just as you are and we both
have points we will hold to. I still enjoy our friendly [and often diversely
opinioned] chats.

slade

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004
8:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Christians' authority over nature

 

Slade Henson wrote: 

Slade hears Terry say: “Then you do feel that to be
absent from the body is to be present with the Lord?  Or do you just take
this to be wishful thinking on the part of Paul?”

slade speaks thus: I wish that if/when God causes my body to rest before
Messiah comes I could be gathered to by fathers. Sadly I will not, because I do
not live in Eretz Yisrael and I will be buried in a lonely grave on the wrong
side of the world. There my body will rot because I will not be embalmed. When
the Messiah comes, I will be resurrected… the part of me that really makes me
me (some may call it my Spirit) and I will be given a glorified body. Until
that glorious Revelation of Messiah, my body will turn into plant food and worm
bait.

Paul
and I, both, suffer wishful thinking. If I’m wrong, please correct me.

I feel that you are only
partially correct.  Your body will rot in a grave.  It is my
understanding that The thief was with the Lord the same day he died.  The
rich man woke up in Hell the night he died, and I will see my Savior within a
split second of drawing my last breath.

Try to convince you of that?  Not likely.  :-)
Terry

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you











Luk 1:6 And
they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord
blameless.



Good for the parents of John the B.  Does
this mean that their righteousness exceeded the need for faith to be credited
to them in place of their righteous failures (Ro 4:14-25)?

 

I
find this interesting. Youâre not arguing with Tim (or me) on this point. Youâre
arguing with the One who oversaw its compilation. Another interesting point: the
Torah was never given as an alternative to faith. Historically, Jewish people have
never believed that the keeping of commandments was a way to be granted a place
in the World to Come. They [the Israelis] are Godâs Chosen People â faults and all
â and theyâre âin,â as a result. The Israelis have clung to this promise in faith.

 

Â-- slade

 

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
1:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from
O'Reilley to you

 


No
one is saying that commandment keeping is out, certainly not me.  
None of these passages say that one is lost because he fails in his commandment
keeping.  None establish the Mosaical code.  So if you agree with
that , then case closed.. but I will make a few comments.  

John




In a message dated 9/1/2004 8:23:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







John said âIn the end, he comes up with commandment keeping and I do notâ.  God Says â1Jo 2:4 He that
saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth
is not in him.





The
context for this statement is I John 1:7-9 and the rest of chapter 2.  Its
a good read.  








Mat 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the
least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the
same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.





Amen 
and so what.





Mat
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good
but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.





So
we all have to sell what we own and follow him?  







Luk 1:6
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord
blameless.





Good
for the parents of John the B.  Does this mean that their righteousness exceeded
the need for faith to be credited to them in place of their righteous failures
(Ro 4:14-25)?








  

Jhn
14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.





Amen 
and so what? 








  

Jhn
14:21 He that hath my commandments,
and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved
of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.





Amen.   He is discussing the place of the
commandments, not the work of grace in the face of imminent and certian
failure. (Ro 3:23)








Jhn 15:10 If
ye keep my commandments, ye shall
abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.





Do
you have any idea as to the nature of the commandments in view in this
context?  Legalese or love of neighbor?  








  

1Cr 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.





Do
you think Paul is invoking this idea, here in this text, to convice the
Corinthian reader to follow the advice is gives in the verses immediately
following?  






1Jo 2:3
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.





Contextually
what is the nature of the commandment keeping in this text?   A whole
raft of legalese or an inwardness known as love?  









  

1Jo 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.





Ditto
to 2:3 comments.










  

1Jo 3:22
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are
pleasing in his sight.





Commandments
in view in this context --  legalese or believe in Jesus and love your
neighbor?









  

1Jo 3:24
And he that keepeth his commandments
dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by
the Spirit which he hath given us.





Ditto
to 3:22 comments.










  

1Jo 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep
his commandments.





Commandments 
-- legalese or love of the brethren/ (4:20,21)?








  

1Jo 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments:
and his commandments are not
grievous.





Ditto
v 2 comments.









  

2Jo 1:6
And this is love, that we walk after his commandments.
This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should
walk in it.





Ditto
on 2:3 comments above.









  

Rev
12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with
the remnant of her seed, which keep t

Re: [TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk

2004-09-03 Thread ttxpress




not 
in economics?
 
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 21:38:35 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:

  
  In grace and 
  mercyyes, and amen. J 
  Izzy
   
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:22 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End of 
  Truthtalk
   
  
  sounds perfect: God is 
  liberal
  
   
  
  G
  
   
  
  On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:09:25 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  writes:
  
All I hear is 
liberal static
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In grace and mercy—yes, and amen. J Izzy

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
8:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 



sounds perfect: God is liberal





 





G





 





On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:09:25 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:





All I hear is liberal static….I
can’t heeear you!!! Izzy

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
5:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 



Iz:See the 'G' man on this post of yours. Do you understand
his meaning? PS-No, I won't explain it if you don't.







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Sent: September 02, 2004
23:38





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
The End of Truthtalk





 



Don’t feel bad Tim.  He thinks
I’m the blind one, even though my husband is an ophthalmologist. J God will
judge us all as to who is on the side of right or wrong. I’m happy to
leave it in God’s hands, as He knows who I desire to please. If I’m
right, he will vindicate me.  If I’m wrong He will lovingly correct
me, provided my heart is open to His correction.  The same for us all.
 Izzy

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C. Tim Winkley
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
8:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 

d) Our newest member, the
gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman Catholics) Tim 'Baton'
Lawman will convince you all that the posting of pictures of a man in a tutu
are the equivalent of denying the gospel.

 

Wow!  You have pretty well summed it
up about me.  I don’t remember saying that I hate sodomites or
catholics?

 

Anyway, all the best to you and yours!

 

C. Tim Winkley

Aka Law Man

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
9:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] The End of
Truthtalk

 

Tis Thursday September
2.  Today marks the end of the list we have all enjoyed: Truthtalk. 
Aye, it is my sad duty to tell you all that the list is finished.  All
emails will still be forwarded to your address and conversations will continue
to occur unabated.  Do not let this confuse you into thinking that the
list is still operating.  The following will continue to occur:

 

a)  Perry the absent
moderator will continue to be absent unless there is a post on Mormonism in
which case the clouds will break and you will see a post by him.

b)  Judy, also known
as God will continue a life of being absolutely correct.  i.e. her way or
the hellway.  Any question posed to her will be evaded by the use of one
common question back: But why do you hate God's word of which I am the only
person to understand it?  Here, have some Kool-aid.

c)  Republican Izzy
I am sorry to say has become completely blind.  She will still be able to
read your emails unless there is a hint of critical thinking involved. 
Her critical thinking facilities have been sacrificed on the altar of US
foreign policy.  This will cause an extra 23 emails per day to enter your
inbox until her blood pressure subsides.  Please be careful.

d)  Our newest
member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman Catholics)
Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of pictures of a man
in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the gospel.  You have been warned.

e)  The owner of
this list, David Miller, will remain the owner of this now finished list. 
A post by him will mark the second coming.  Arguments abound on whether
this includes the rapture.  If you were not aware there are many more
lists out there that are far more fun, interesting and edifying. 
David is on those lists, not this one.  Please be aware that David is
still living a sinless life.

f) 
John Smithson will continue to spend much of his time developing last
names when not listening to heretical notions of the gospel from Baxter Kruger.

g)  Terry will
continue to stock Democrat propaganda to use in his outhouse.  Monthly
reports on rabbits will continue until they are eaten for dinner.

h)  Lance may
actually write more than one line per post.  This will not be a sign
of the second coming but rather the rise of the Anti-Christ.  This two
line post will be just as garbled as his one line posts.  No one but the
select few (known as the Canadian Trinity which ironically only contains two
people) will be able to decipher this post.  Much of it will have
something to do with outdated versions of meaning and context.  For the
first response to his post see point B.

i)  The From
O'Reilley to You subject heading will continue to be misspelled and used for
any topic but O'Reilly.

j)  Jeff the weatherman
will

Re: [TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk

2004-09-03 Thread ttxpress




sounds perfect: God is 
liberal
 
G
 
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:09:25 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:

  
  All I hear is liberal 
  static.I cant heeear you!!! Izzy
   
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Lance 
  MuirSent: Friday, September 
  03, 2004 5:37 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End of 
  Truthtalk
   
  
  Iz:See the 'G' man on this post of 
  yours. Do you understand his meaning? PS-No, I won't explain it if you 
  don't.
  

- Original Message - 


From: ShieldsFamily 


To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Sent: 
September 02, 2004 23:38

Subject: RE: 
[TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk

 
Dont feel bad 
Tim.  He thinks Im the blind one, even though my husband is an 
ophthalmologist. J God will judge us 
all as to who is on the side of right or wrong. Im happy to leave it in 
Gods hands, as He knows who I desire to please. If Im right, he will 
vindicate me.  If Im wrong He will lovingly correct me, provided my 
heart is open to His correction.  The same for us all. 
 Izzy
 




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of C. Tim 
WinkleySent: Thursday, 
September 02, 2004 8:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End of 
Truthtalk
 
d) Our 
newest member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman 
Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of 
pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the 
gospel.
 
Wow!  You have 
pretty well summed it up about me.  I dont remember saying that I hate 
sodomites or catholics?
 
Anyway, all the 
best to you and yours!
 
C. Tim 
Winkley
Aka Law 
Man
 
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Hughes 
JonathanSent: Thursday, 
September 02, 2004 9:23 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [TruthTalk] The End of 
Truthtalk
 
Tis 
Thursday September 2.  Today marks the end of the list we have all 
enjoyed: Truthtalk.  Aye, it is my sad duty to tell you all that the 
list is finished.  All emails will still be forwarded to your address 
and conversations will continue to occur unabated.  Do not let this 
confuse you into thinking that the list is still operating.  The 
following will continue to occur:
 
a)  Perry the 
absent moderator will continue to be absent unless there is a post on 
Mormonism in which case the clouds will break and you will see a post by 
him.
b)  Judy, also 
known as God will continue a life of being absolutely correct.  i.e. 
her way or the hellway.  Any question posed to her will be evaded by 
the use of one common question back: But why do you hate God's word of which 
I am the only person to understand it?  Here, have some 
Kool-aid.
c)  Republican 
Izzy I am sorry to say has become completely blind.  She will still be 
able to read your emails unless there is a hint of critical thinking 
involved.  Her critical thinking facilities have been sacrificed on the 
altar of US foreign policy.  This will cause an extra 23 emails per day 
to enter your inbox until her blood pressure subsides.  Please be 
careful.
d)  Our newest 
member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman 
Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of 
pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the gospel.  
You have been warned.
e)  The owner 
of this list, David Miller, will remain the owner of this now finished 
list.  A post by him will mark the second coming.  Arguments 
abound on whether this includes the rapture.  If you were not aware 
there are many more lists out there that are far more fun, interesting 
and edifying.  David is on those lists, not this one.  Please be 
aware that David is still living a sinless life.
f)  
John Smithson will continue to spend much of his time developing last 
names when not listening to heretical notions of the gospel from Baxter 
Kruger.
g)  Terry will 
continue to stock Democrat propaganda to use in his outhouse.  Monthly 
reports on rabbits will continue until they are eaten for 
dinner.
h)  Lance may 
actually write more than one line per post.  This will not be a 
sign of the second coming but rather the rise of the Anti-Christ.  This 
two line post will be just as garbled as his one line posts.  No one 
but the select few (known as the Canadian Trinity which ironically only 
contains two people) will be able to decipher this post.  Much of it 
will have something to do with outdated ve

RE: [TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk










Tim, I hope you didn’t let Jonathan’s “humor”
chase you off—are you still with us? Izzy

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C. Tim Winkley
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
8:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 

d)   Our newest member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating
(especially gay Roman Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that
the posting of pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the
gospel.

 

Wow!  You have pretty well summed it up
about me.  I don’t remember saying that I hate sodomites or catholics?

 

Anyway, all the best to you and yours!

 

C. Tim Winkley

Aka Law Man

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
9:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] The End of
Truthtalk

 

Tis Thursday September
2.  Today marks the end of the list we have all enjoyed: Truthtalk. 
Aye, it is my sad duty to tell you all that the list is finished.  All
emails will still be forwarded to your address and conversations will continue
to occur unabated.  Do not let this confuse you into thinking that the
list is still operating.  The following will continue to occur:

 

a)  Perry the absent
moderator will continue to be absent unless there is a post on Mormonism in
which case the clouds will break and you will see a post by him.

b)  Judy, also known
as God will continue a life of being absolutely correct.  i.e. her way or
the hellway.  Any question posed to her will be evaded by the use of one
common question back: But why do you hate God's word of which I am the only
person to understand it?  Here, have some Kool-aid.

c)  Republican Izzy
I am sorry to say has become completely blind.  She will still be able to
read your emails unless there is a hint of critical thinking involved. 
Her critical thinking facilities have been sacrificed on the altar of US
foreign policy.  This will cause an extra 23 emails per day to enter your
inbox until her blood pressure subsides.  Please be careful.

d)  Our newest
member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman Catholics)
Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of pictures of a man
in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the gospel.  You have been warned.

e)  The owner of
this list, David Miller, will remain the owner of this now finished list. 
A post by him will mark the second coming.  Arguments abound on whether
this includes the rapture.  If you were not aware there are many more
lists out there that are far more fun, interesting and edifying. 
David is on those lists, not this one.  Please be aware that David is
still living a sinless life.

f) 
John Smithson will continue to spend much of his time developing last names
when not listening to heretical notions of the gospel from Baxter Kruger.

g)  Terry will
continue to stock Democrat propaganda to use in his outhouse.  Monthly
reports on rabbits will continue until they are eaten for dinner.

h)  Lance may
actually write more than one line per post.  This will not be a sign
of the second coming but rather the rise of the Anti-Christ.  This two
line post will be just as garbled as his one line posts.  No one but the
select few (known as the Canadian Trinity which ironically only contains two
people) will be able to decipher this post.  Much of it will have
something to do with outdated versions of meaning and context.  For the
first response to his post see point B.

i)  The From
O'Reilley to You subject heading will continue to be misspelled and used for
any topic but O'Reilly.

j)  Jeff the
weatherman will keep us all updated on, surprisingly, the weather.  Much
prayer will be used to send the storms to Democrat strongholds, in the hope
that a one-party system will develop ushering in the one-world government
miraculously curing Izzy's blindness.

h)  Slade - comments
omitted in case anyone would consider this parody to be anti-Semitic.

i)  Chris Barr while
wolfing down chromium pills like there is no tomorrow (and who knows, there may
not be) is intensely studying Polanyi.  It is doubtful whether we will
hear from him again.

 

R.I.P Truthtalk - Where
truth was muttered and once recognized, immediately stamped out.

 

Jonathan

 











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Re: [TruthTalk] hearing God

2004-09-03 Thread Judy Taylor




jt: It all depends on the condition of the heart 
'before God'  Sometimes he shuts it down completely as per 
Matt 13:15; Matt 15:8 and Isa 6:10.  
Sad, sad, sad, sad - the coming storm is nothing compared to the prospects 
of such.
 
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:47:07 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:

  
  Lance 
  wrote:   
  Iz:Permission 
  appreciated. But, now that I know your posts are 'inspired" I don't have to 
  check for myself. Did you tell the readers of your books of this 'revelatory' 
  dimension to your writing? 
  
   
  Izzy 
  writes:
  It is something that 
  one discovers on one’s own. J Really, Lance, do 
  you not believe the Holy Spirit speaks to His children today? Do you think 
  that all such communication between Believers and the Lord are “revelations”, 
  or just the normal way a Father speaks to His child? Why else would we read 
  His Word, except to hear His voice? Why pray? Why meditate? Are you aware that 
  people receive insight from scripture at different levels—that God has 
  constructed His Word in such a way that one can read it and come away with 
  nothing, or with the surface meaning only, or can receive the Ramah Word of 
  God?  It is all a work of the Holy Spirit when we hear His voice at all. 
  It is just your everyday sort of miracle.  
  Izzy
   
    (I Cor 2:6) Yet we do speak wisdom among 
  those who are (9) 
  mature; a wisdom, however, not of (10) 
  this age nor of the rulers of (11) 
  this age, who are (12) 
  passing away; 7   but we speak God's wisdom in a 
  (13) 
  mystery, the hidden wisdom which God (14) 
  predestined before the (15) 
  ages to our glory; 8   the wisdom (16) 
  which none of the rulers of (17) 
  this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have 
  crucified (18) 
  the Lord of glory; 9   but just as it is 
  written,  "(19) 
  THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT 
  HEARD,  AND 
  which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF 
  MAN,  ALL THAT 
  GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM." 
  10   [2] 
  (20) 
  For to us God revealed them (21) 
  through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the (22) 
  depths of God. 11   For who among men knows the 
  thoughts of a man except the (23) 
  spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows 
  except the Spirit of God. 12   Now we (24) 
  have received, not the spirit of (25) 
  the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things 
  freely given to us by God, 13   which things we 
  also speak, (26) 
  not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, 
  combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. 
  14   But a (27) 
  natural man (28) 
  does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are (29) 
  foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are 
  spiritually appraised. 15   But he who is 
  (30) 
  spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 
  16   For (31) 
  WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But (32) 
  we have the mind of Christ.

RE: [TruthTalk] hearing God









Glad to hear it.  You had me worried there
for a minute, my friend. Izzy

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
9:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] hearing
God



 



Iz:Yes I most certainly do. I
meet such folks on pretty much a daily basis. I evaluate what I hear. I'm confident
that you do also.







From: ShieldsFamily






To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Sent: September 03, 2004 10:47





Subject: [TruthTalk] hearing God





 



Lance wrote:   

Iz:Permission appreciated. But, now
that I know your posts are 'inspired" I don't have to check for myself.
Did you tell the readers of your books of this 'revelatory' dimension to your
writing? 

 

Izzy
writes:

It is something that one discovers on
one’s own. J Really, Lance, do you
not believe the Holy Spirit speaks to His children today? Do you think that all
such communication between Believers and the Lord are
“revelations”, or just the normal way a Father speaks to His child?
Why else would we read His Word, except to hear His voice? Why pray? Why
meditate? Are you aware that people receive insight from scripture at different
levels—that God has constructed His Word in such a way that one can read
it and come away with nothing, or with the surface meaning only, or can receive
the Ramah Word of God?  It is all a work of the Holy Spirit when we hear
His voice at all. It is just your everyday sort of miracle.  Izzy

 

  (I Cor 2:6) Yet we do speak wisdom among
those who are (9)
mature; a wisdom, however, not of (10)
this age nor of the rulers of (11)
this age, who are (12)
passing away; 
7   but we speak God's wisdom in a (13)
mystery, the hidden wisdom which God (14)
predestined before the (15)
ages to our glory; 
8   the wisdom (16)
which none of the rulers of (17)
this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified
(18)
the Lord of glory; 
9   but just as it is written,
  "(19)
THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD,
  AND which HAVE NOT
ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN,
  ALL THAT GOD HAS
PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM." 
10   [2]
(20)
For to us God revealed them (21)
through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the (22)
depths of God. 
11   For who among men knows the thoughts of a man
except the (23)
spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows
except the Spirit of God. 
12   Now we (24)
have received, not the spirit of (25)
the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things
freely given to us by God, 
13   which things we also speak, (26)
not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining
spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. 
14   But a (27)
natural man (28)
does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are (29)
foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually
appraised. 
15   But he who is (30)
spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 
16   For (31)
WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But (32)
we have the mind of Christ.

RE: [TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk









Huh?

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
9:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 



Iz:I beg your pardon?







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Sent: September 03, 2004
10:49





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
The End of Truthtalk





 



Great, Lance!  And now, about your
ears………..Izzy

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
8:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 



Iz:Come to think of it I do need to fill my prescription for
a new pair of glasses. Who knows (other than the Shadow)?





Mayhap my whole  political 'view' may change
thereafter.







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Sent: September 03, 2004
10:35





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
The End of Truthtalk





 



The eye of the beholder affects
everything, Lance.  Perhaps a little Visine would help? 

 

"But if your eye is
bad, your whole body will be full of darkness.
If then the light that is in you is darkness,
how great is the darkness! (Matt
6:23)

 

Izzy









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
8:18 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 



Iz:This 'liberal' did listen to he of the 'silver spoon in
his mouth' and, what a boorrre!!! Now, if
Miller or Arnold were the candidate well..













From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
5:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 



Iz:See the 'G' man on this post of yours. Do you understand
his meaning? PS-No, I won't explain it if you don't.







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Sent: September 02, 2004
23:38





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
The End of Truthtalk





 



Don’t feel bad Tim.  He thinks
I’m the blind one, even though my husband is an ophthalmologist. J God will
judge us all as to who is on the side of right or wrong. I’m happy to
leave it in God’s hands, as He knows who I desire to please. If I’m
right, he will vindicate me.  If I’m wrong He will lovingly correct
me, provided my heart is open to His correction.  The same for us all.
 Izzy

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C. Tim Winkley
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
8:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 

d)   Our newest member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating
(especially gay Roman Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that
the posting of pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the
gospel.

 

Wow!  You have pretty well summed it
up about me.  I don’t remember saying that I hate sodomites or
catholics?

 

Anyway, all the best to you and yours!

 

C. Tim Winkley

Aka Law Man

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
9:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] The End of
Truthtalk

 

Tis Thursday September
2.  Today marks the end of the list we have all enjoyed: Truthtalk. 
Aye, it is my sad duty to tell you all that the list is finished.  All
emails will still be forwarded to your address and conversations will continue
to occur unabated.  Do not let this confuse you into thinking that the
list is still operating.  The following will continue to occur:

 

a)  Perry the absent
moderator will continue to be absent unless there is a post on Mormonism in
which case the clouds will break and you will see a post by him.

b)  Judy, also known
as God will continue a life of being absolutely correct.  i.e. her way or
the hellway.  Any question posed to her will be evaded by the use of one
common question back: But why do you hate God's word of which I am the only
person to understand it?  Here, have some Kool-aid.

c)  Republican Izzy
I am sorry to say has become completely blind.  She will still be able to
read your emails unless there is a hint of critical thinking involved. 
Her critical thinking facilities have been sacrificed on the altar of US
foreign policy.  This will cause an extra 23 emails per day to enter your
inbox until her blood pressure subsides.  Please be careful.

d)  Our newest
member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman Catholics)
Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of pictures of a man
in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the gospel.  You have been warned.

e)  The owner of
this list, David Miller, will remain the owner of this now finished list. 
A post by him will mark the sec

Re: [TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk

Iz:I beg your pardon?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

  Sent: September 03, 2004 10:49
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End of 
  Truthtalk

  Great, Lance!  
  And now, about your ears..Izzy

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:40 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End of 
  Truthtalk

  Iz:Come to think of it I do need 
  to fill my prescription for a new pair of glasses. Who knows (other than the 
  Shadow)?

  Mayhap my whole  political 
  'view' may change thereafter.

- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: 
September 03, 2004 10:35

Subject: RE: 
[TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk

The eye of the 
beholder affects everything, Lance.  Perhaps a little Visine would 
help? 

"But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be 
full of darkness. If then the 
light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness! (Matt 
6:23)

Izzy

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:18 
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End of 
Truthtalk

Iz:This 'liberal' did listen to 
he of the 'silver spoon in his mouth' and, what a 
boorrre!!! Now, if Miller or Arnold 
were the candidate well..

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:37 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End of 
  Truthtalk

  Iz:See the 'G' man on this 
  post of yours. Do you understand his meaning? PS-No, I won't explain it if 
  you don't.

- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: 
September 02, 2004 23:38

Subject: RE: 
[TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk

Dont feel bad 
Tim.  He thinks Im the blind one, even though my husband is an 
ophthalmologist. J God 
will judge us all as to who is on the side of right or wrong. Im happy 
to leave it in Gods hands, as He knows who I desire to please. If Im 
right, he will vindicate me.  If Im wrong He will lovingly correct 
me, provided my heart is open to His correction.  The same for us 
all.  Izzy

From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C. Tim 
WinkleySent: Thursday, 
September 02, 2004 8:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End of 
Truthtalk

d)   
Our newest 
member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman 
Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of 
pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the 
gospel.

Wow!  You 
have pretty well summed it up about me.  I dont remember saying 
that I hate sodomites or catholics?

Anyway, all the 
best to you and yours!

C. Tim 
Winkley
Aka Law 
Man

-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Hughes 
JonathanSent: 
Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:23 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [TruthTalk] The End of 
Truthtalk

Tis Thursday 
September 2.  Today marks the end of the list we have all enjoyed: 
Truthtalk.  Aye, it is my sad duty to tell you all that the list is 
finished.  All emails will still be forwarded to your address and 
conversations will continue to occur unabated.  Do not let this 
confuse you into thinking that the list is still operating.  The 
following will continue to occur:

a)  Perry 
the absent moderator will continue to be absent unless there is a post 
on Mormonism in which case the clouds will break and you will see a post 
by him.
b)  Judy, 
also known as God will continue a life of being absolutely 
correct.  i.e. her way or the hellway.  Any question posed to 
her will be evaded by the use of one common question back: But why do 
you hate God's word of which I am the only person to understand 
it?  Here, have some Kool-aid.
c)  
Republican Izzy I am sorry to say has become completely blind.  Sh

Re: [TruthTalk] hearing God

Iz:Yes I most certainly do. I meet such folks 
on pretty much a daily basis. I evaluate what I hear. I'm confident that you do 
also.

  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

  Sent: September 03, 2004 10:47
  Subject: [TruthTalk] hearing God

  Lance 
  wrote:   
  Iz:Permission 
  appreciated. But, now that I know your posts are 'inspired" I don't have to 
  check for myself. Did you tell the readers of your books of this 'revelatory' 
  dimension to your writing? 

  Izzy 
  writes:
  It is something that 
  one discovers on ones own. J Really, Lance, do 
  you not believe the Holy Spirit speaks to His children today? Do you think 
  that all such communication between Believers and the Lord are revelations, 
  or just the normal way a Father speaks to His child? Why else would we read 
  His Word, except to hear His voice? Why pray? Why meditate? Are you aware that 
  people receive insight from scripture at different levelsthat God has 
  constructed His Word in such a way that one can read it and come away with 
  nothing, or with the surface meaning only, or can receive the Ramah Word of 
  God?  It is all a work of the Holy Spirit when we hear His voice at all. 
  It is just your everyday sort of miracle.  
  Izzy

    (I Cor 2:6) Yet we do speak wisdom among 
  those who are (9) 
  mature; a wisdom, however, not of (10) 
  this age nor of the rulers of (11) 
  this age, who are (12) 
  passing away; 7   but we speak God's wisdom in a 
  (13) 
  mystery, the hidden wisdom which God (14) 
  predestined before the (15) 
  ages to our glory; 8   the wisdom (16) 
  which none of the rulers of (17) 
  this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have 
  crucified (18) 
  the Lord of glory; 9   but just as it is 
  written,  "(19) 
  THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT 
  HEARD,  AND 
  which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF 
  MAN,  ALL THAT 
  GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM." 
  10   [2] 
  (20) 
  For to us God revealed them (21) 
  through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the (22) 
  depths of God. 11   For who among men knows the 
  thoughts of a man except the (23) 
  spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows 
  except the Spirit of God. 12   Now we (24) 
  have received, not the spirit of (25) 
  the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things 
  freely given to us by God, 13   which things we 
  also speak, (26) 
  not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, 
  combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. 
  14   But a (27) 
  natural man (28) 
  does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are (29) 
  foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are 
  spiritually appraised. 15   But he who is 
  (30) 
  spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 
  16   For (31) 
  WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But (32) 
  we have the mind of Christ.

RE: [TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk









Great, Lance!  And now, about your ears………..Izzy

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
8:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 



Iz:Come to think of it I do need to fill my prescription for
a new pair of glasses. Who knows (other than the Shadow)?





Mayhap my whole  political 'view' may change
thereafter.







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Sent: September 03, 2004
10:35





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
The End of Truthtalk





 



The eye of the beholder affects
everything, Lance.  Perhaps a little Visine would help? 

 

"But if your eye is
bad, your whole body will be full of darkness.
If then the light that is in you is darkness,
how great is the darkness! (Matt
6:23)

 

Izzy









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
8:18 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 



Iz:This 'liberal' did listen to he of the 'silver spoon in
his mouth' and, what a boorrre!!! Now, if
Miller or Arnold were the candidate well..













From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
5:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 



Iz:See the 'G' man on this post of yours. Do you understand
his meaning? PS-No, I won't explain it if you don't.







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From: ShieldsFamily






To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Sent: September 02, 2004
23:38





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
The End of Truthtalk





 



Don’t feel bad Tim.  He thinks
I’m the blind one, even though my husband is an ophthalmologist. J God will
judge us all as to who is on the side of right or wrong. I’m happy to
leave it in God’s hands, as He knows who I desire to please. If I’m
right, he will vindicate me.  If I’m wrong He will lovingly correct
me, provided my heart is open to His correction.  The same for us all.
 Izzy

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C. Tim Winkley
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
8:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 

d)   Our newest member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating
(especially gay Roman Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that
the posting of pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the
gospel.

 

Wow!  You have pretty well summed it
up about me.  I don’t remember saying that I hate sodomites or catholics?

 

Anyway, all the best to you and yours!

 

C. Tim Winkley

Aka Law Man

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
9:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] The End of
Truthtalk

 

Tis Thursday September
2.  Today marks the end of the list we have all enjoyed: Truthtalk. 
Aye, it is my sad duty to tell you all that the list is finished.  All
emails will still be forwarded to your address and conversations will continue
to occur unabated.  Do not let this confuse you into thinking that the
list is still operating.  The following will continue to occur:

 

a)  Perry the absent
moderator will continue to be absent unless there is a post on Mormonism in
which case the clouds will break and you will see a post by him.

b)  Judy, also known
as God will continue a life of being absolutely correct.  i.e. her way or
the hellway.  Any question posed to her will be evaded by the use of one
common question back: But why do you hate God's word of which I am the only
person to understand it?  Here, have some Kool-aid.

c)  Republican Izzy
I am sorry to say has become completely blind.  She will still be able to
read your emails unless there is a hint of critical thinking involved. 
Her critical thinking facilities have been sacrificed on the altar of US
foreign policy.  This will cause an extra 23 emails per day to enter your
inbox until her blood pressure subsides.  Please be careful.

d)  Our newest
member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman Catholics)
Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of pictures of a man
in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the gospel.  You have been warned.

e)  The owner of
this list, David Miller, will remain the owner of this now finished list. 
A post by him will mark the second coming.  Arguments abound on whether
this includes the rapture.  If you were not aware there are many more lists
out there that are far more fun, interesting and edifying.  David is
on those lists, not this one.  Please be aware that David is still living
a sinless life.

f) 
John Smithson will continue to spend much of his time developing last
names when not listening to heretical notions of the gospel from Ba

[TruthTalk] hearing God









Lance wrote:   

Iz:Permission appreciated. But, now
that I know your posts are 'inspired" I don't have to check for myself.
Did you tell the readers of your books of this 'revelatory' dimension to your
writing? 

 

Izzy
writes:

It is something that one discovers on one’s
own. J Really, Lance, do you not believe the
Holy Spirit speaks to His children today? Do you think that all such
communication between Believers and the Lord are “revelations”, or
just the normal way a Father speaks to His child? Why else would we read His
Word, except to hear His voice? Why pray? Why meditate? Are you aware that
people receive insight from scripture at different levels—that God has
constructed His Word in such a way that one can read it and come away with
nothing, or with the surface meaning only, or can receive the Ramah Word of
God?  It is all a work of the Holy Spirit when we hear His voice at all. It
is just your everyday sort of miracle.  Izzy

 

  (I Cor 2:6) Yet we do speak wisdom among
those who are (9)
mature; a wisdom, however, not of (10)
this age nor of the rulers of (11)
this age, who are (12)
passing away; 
7   but we speak God's wisdom in a (13)
mystery, the hidden wisdom which God (14)
predestined before the (15)
ages to our glory; 
8   the wisdom (16)
which none of the rulers of (17)
this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have
crucified (18)
the Lord of glory; 
9   but just as it is written,
  "(19)
THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD,
  AND which HAVE NOT
ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN,
  ALL THAT GOD HAS
PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM." 
10   [2]
(20)
For to us God revealed them (21)
through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the (22)
depths of God. 
11   For who among men knows the thoughts of a man
except the (23)
spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except
the Spirit of God. 
12   Now we (24)
have received, not the spirit of (25)
the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things
freely given to us by God, 
13   which things we also speak, (26)
not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit,
combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. 
14   But a (27)
natural man (28)
does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are (29)
foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually
appraised. 
15   But he who is (30)
spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 
16   For (31)
WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But (32)
we have the mind of Christ.

Re: [TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk




Iz:Come to think of it I do need to fill my 
prescription for a new pair of glasses. Who knows (other than the 
Shadow)?
Mayhap my whole  political 'view' may change 
thereafter.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: September 03, 2004 10:35
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End of 
  Truthtalk
  
  
  The eye of the 
  beholder affects everything, Lance.  Perhaps a little Visine would help? 
  
   
  "But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full 
  of darkness. If then the light 
  that is in you is darkness, how 
  great is the darkness! (Matt 
  6:23)
   
  Izzy
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:18 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End of 
  Truthtalk
   
  
  Iz:This 'liberal' did listen to he 
  of the 'silver spoon in his mouth' and, what a 
  boorrre!!! Now, if Miller or Arnold were 
  the candidate well..
  




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:37 
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End of 
Truthtalk
 

Iz:See the 'G' man on this post 
of yours. Do you understand his meaning? PS-No, I won't explain it if you 
don't.

  
  - Original Message - 
  
  
  From: ShieldsFamily 
  
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  
  Sent: 
  September 02, 2004 23:38
  
  Subject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk
  
   
  Dont feel bad 
  Tim.  He thinks Im the blind one, even though my husband is an 
  ophthalmologist. J God 
  will judge us all as to who is on the side of right or wrong. Im happy to 
  leave it in Gods hands, as He knows who I desire to please. If Im right, 
  he will vindicate me.  If Im wrong He will lovingly correct me, 
  provided my heart is open to His correction.  The same for us all. 
   Izzy
   
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C. Tim 
  WinkleySent: Thursday, 
  September 02, 2004 8:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End of 
  Truthtalk
   
  d)   
  Our 
  newest member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman 
  Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of 
  pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the 
  gospel.
   
  Wow!  You 
  have pretty well summed it up about me.  I dont remember saying that 
  I hate sodomites or catholics?
   
  Anyway, all the 
  best to you and yours!
   
  C. Tim 
  Winkley
  Aka Law 
  Man
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Hughes 
  JonathanSent: Thursday, 
  September 02, 2004 9:23 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [TruthTalk] The End of 
  Truthtalk
   
  Tis 
  Thursday September 2.  Today marks the end of the list we have all 
  enjoyed: Truthtalk.  Aye, it is my sad duty to tell you all that the 
  list is finished.  All emails will still be forwarded to your address 
  and conversations will continue to occur unabated.  Do not let this 
  confuse you into thinking that the list is still operating.  The 
  following will continue to occur:
   
  a)  Perry 
  the absent moderator will continue to be absent unless there is a post on 
  Mormonism in which case the clouds will break and you will see a post by 
  him.
  b)  Judy, 
  also known as God will continue a life of being absolutely correct.  
  i.e. her way or the hellway.  Any question posed to her will be 
  evaded by the use of one common question back: But why do you hate God's 
  word of which I am the only person to understand it?  Here, have some 
  Kool-aid.
  c)  
  Republican Izzy I am sorry to say has become completely blind.  She 
  will still be able to read your emails unless there is a hint of critical 
  thinking involved.  Her critical thinking facilities have been 
  sacrificed on the altar of US foreign policy.  This will cause an 
  extra 23 emails per day to enter your inbox until her blood pressure 
  subsides.  Please be careful.
  d)  Our 
  newest member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman 
  Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of 
  pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the 
  gospel.  You have been warned.
  e)  The 
  owner of this list, David Miller, will remain the owner of this now 
  finished list.  A post by him will mark the second coming.

RE: [TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk









The eye of the beholder affects everything,
Lance.  Perhaps a little Visine would help? 

 

"But if your eye is
bad, your whole body will be full of darkness.
If then the light that is in you is darkness,
how great is the darkness! (Matt
6:23)

 

Izzy









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
8:18 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 



Iz:This 'liberal' did listen to he of the 'silver spoon in
his mouth' and, what a boorrre!!! Now, if
Miller or Arnold were the candidate well..













From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
5:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 



Iz:See the 'G' man on this post of yours. Do you understand
his meaning? PS-No, I won't explain it if you don't.







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Sent: September 02, 2004
23:38





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
The End of Truthtalk





 



Don’t feel bad Tim.  He thinks
I’m the blind one, even though my husband is an ophthalmologist. J God will
judge us all as to who is on the side of right or wrong. I’m happy to
leave it in God’s hands, as He knows who I desire to please. If I’m
right, he will vindicate me.  If I’m wrong He will lovingly correct
me, provided my heart is open to His correction.  The same for us all.
 Izzy

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of C. Tim Winkley
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
8:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 

d)   Our newest member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating
(especially gay Roman Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that
the posting of pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the
gospel.

 

Wow!  You have pretty well summed it
up about me.  I don’t remember saying that I hate sodomites or
catholics?

 

Anyway, all the best to you and yours!

 

C. Tim Winkley

Aka Law Man

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
9:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] The End of
Truthtalk

 

Tis Thursday September
2.  Today marks the end of the list we have all enjoyed: Truthtalk. 
Aye, it is my sad duty to tell you all that the list is finished.  All
emails will still be forwarded to your address and conversations will continue
to occur unabated.  Do not let this confuse you into thinking that the
list is still operating.  The following will continue to occur:

 

a)  Perry the absent
moderator will continue to be absent unless there is a post on Mormonism in
which case the clouds will break and you will see a post by him.

b)  Judy, also known
as God will continue a life of being absolutely correct.  i.e. her way or
the hellway.  Any question posed to her will be evaded by the use of one
common question back: But why do you hate God's word of which I am the only
person to understand it?  Here, have some Kool-aid.

c)  Republican Izzy
I am sorry to say has become completely blind.  She will still be able to
read your emails unless there is a hint of critical thinking involved. 
Her critical thinking facilities have been sacrificed on the altar of US
foreign policy.  This will cause an extra 23 emails per day to enter your
inbox until her blood pressure subsides.  Please be careful.

d)  Our newest
member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman Catholics)
Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of pictures of a man
in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the gospel.  You have been warned.

e)  The owner of
this list, David Miller, will remain the owner of this now finished list. 
A post by him will mark the second coming.  Arguments abound on whether
this includes the rapture.  If you were not aware there are many more
lists out there that are far more fun, interesting and edifying. 
David is on those lists, not this one.  Please be aware that David is
still living a sinless life.

f) 
John Smithson will continue to spend much of his time developing last
names when not listening to heretical notions of the gospel from Baxter Kruger.

g)  Terry will
continue to stock Democrat propaganda to use in his outhouse.  Monthly
reports on rabbits will continue until they are eaten for dinner.

h)  Lance may
actually write more than one line per post.  This will not be a sign
of the second coming but rather the rise of the Anti-Christ.  This two
line post will be just as garbled as his one line posts.  No one but the
select few (known as the Canadian Trinity which ironically only contains two
people) will be able to decipher this post.  Much of it will have
something to do with outdated versions of meaning and context.  For the
first respon

Re: [TruthTalk] Baton Bob




Iz:Permission appreciated. But, now that I know 
your posts are 'inspired" I don't have to check for myself. Did you tell the 
readers of your books of this 'revelatory' dimension to your writing? 


  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: September 03, 2004 10:12
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Baton Bob
  
  
  Lance, My point 
  being, you have to judge for 
  yourself what God thinks about the subject, not what some people, some books, they, the majority, 
  etc. think about it.  So who cares what they think if they 
  are wrong? I base my opinions on what I read/hear the Holy Spirit saying. I 
  give you permission to do the same. Izzy
   
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:38 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baton 
  Bob
   
  
  Iz:Your point 
  being?
  

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Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 


To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Sent: September 
02, 2004 19:09

Subject: RE: 
[TruthTalk] Baton Bob

 
Some folks dont 
think Universality is either. J 
Izzy
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:48 
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baton 
Bob
 
Lance Muir wrote: 

Tim/Slade:A title of interest:Some Messianic Jews 
say:'Messianic Judaism is Not Christianity' -Stan Telchin (f'wd by Moische 
Rosen) Chosen Books, 

Not even confused 
Christianity?Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-09-03 Thread michael douglas

Michael D: I hear you, John. I would encourage you to revisit some of the scriptures I have been sharing that reveal God's attitude towards these things. Believe me, I did not make this up. If God were not for it, then there would never be any consistent results to show for it. The thing is He really wants his people to wake up to it and cooperate with Him so He can so Himself strong on their behalf.
How did you relate to the verses in Isaiah 45 that I shared recently?
11. Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and His Maker, Ask Me of things to come concerning My sons, and concerning the works of My hands command ye Me. 12. I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even My hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
I would really love you, and other TTers to give their feed- back on the implications of these verses in the light of our ongoing discussion re the weather. Is anyone relating to this the same way I am?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MichaelD -- you know that I do not agree with the _expression_ of your faith in regards to the weather -- BUT, I certainly respect your point of view. There are many brethren in my church who believe the very same thing. All of us on TT (except that one atheist type) beleiees in prayer and are praying for you folks. The storm is losing force somewhat -- so who is to say who is right. Give God the glory no matter what. The wife and are are off to the coast. See you folks on Tuesday. a brother,JohnIn a message dated 9/3/2004 6:59:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michael D: Keep fighting the fight, Izzy. I continue to do the same. Thank God Trinidad and Tobago are not affected by the storm. I am curious, Iz, what brought that question up? Anyway, Folks have to keep holding faith and taking authority over that threat and the enemy that is tis source.ShieldsFamily
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Right on, Michael. Agreed. Every time I see/hear news reports about it I rebuke the storm in Jesus’ name and ask the Lord to dispatch His angels to push it back out to sea where it won’t hurt anyone, and dissipate it. Michael is there any chance of this storm impacting you if we don’t pray against it? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglasSent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:34 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature Michael D: Izzy, I am glad to hear that you have taken time to share your stand with us. Personally, I am rebuking the storm and speaking death to it. I am not getting a clear witness from the Holy Spirit about it dying, but I am trying to push the envelope. I would say, though, that you folks States side need to take up the initiative here to protect the land. That is where alot of the agreement should be pursued. Maybe the folks in Florida and the east coast could commit to some point of agreement, here. Rebuking the storm from approaching your coast and then speaking death to it would be good targets.aid if we speak to the mountain and
believe in our hearts that it will be removed, we will have whatever we say. Put him in remembrance. He will know then that you are taking His Word seriously and believing. Find scriptures that build your faith in God's abulity to do this and meditate on them and declare them over the threat. Some may need to fast, too. Remember this is a battle. I will continue to speak death to it and believe God with you all. I will want to know where you all are pitching as well.Now, lest anyone is mistaken, I am not a know-it-all, nor the ultimate faith person. I have to fight the fight of faith in this like anyone else and depend on the Holy Spirit to help me through. Searching my heart to see if I have any sin or rebellion is also a critical part of this. I encourage folks to do the same.Anyway, I would like to hear where folks are on this, Izzy, along with your feedback.
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Michael D,  I will fast and pray today re:
the storm and also the situation of the hostage children in Russia, which
has taken such a devastating turn.  I am encouraged that the hurricane has
started to diminish even as we pray.  I have not been able to find a good
online map of your area of the Caribbean, but it looks like you are south near Venezuela, and
therefore well south of the storm’s path.  Do many of the same hurricanes
that affect your area go on to America?
I’d love to hear you tell us about where you live, what you do, and the
government, religion, weather, etc. there when you have time.  Do they produce
any fabrics there? Izzy

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglas
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
7:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Christians' authority over nature



 



Michael D: Keep fighting the fight,
Izzy.  I continue to do the same. Thank God Trinidad and Tobago
are not affected by the storm. I am curious, Iz, what brought that question up?






Anyway, Folks have to keep holding faith
and taking authority over that threat and the enemy that is tis source.

ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Right on, Michael.  Agreed.  Every
time I see/hear news reports about it I rebuke the storm in Jesus’ name
and ask the Lord to dispatch His angels to push it back out to sea where it
won’t hurt anyone, and dissipate it. Michael is there any chance of this
storm impacting you if we don’t pray against it?  Izzy

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglas
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
8:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Christians' authority over nature



 



Michael D: Izzy, I am glad to hear that
you have taken time to share your stand with us. Personally, I am rebuking the
storm and speaking death to it. I am not getting a clear witness from the Holy
Spirit about it dying, but I am trying to push the envelope. 





I would say, though, that you folks
States side need to take up the initiative here to protect the land. That is
where alot of the agreement should be pursued. Maybe the folks in Florida
and the east coast could commit to some point of agreement, here. Rebuking the
storm from approaching your coast and then speaking death to it would be good
targets.aid if we speak to the mountain and believe in our hearts that it will
be removed, we will have whatever we say. Put him in remembrance. He will know
then that you are taking His Word seriously and believing. Find scriptures that
build your faith in God's abulity to do this and meditate on them and declare
them over the threat. Some may need to fast, too. Remember this is a
battle. 





I will continue to speak death to it and
believe God with you all. I will want to know where you all are pitching as
well.





Now, lest anyone is mistaken, I am not a
know-it-all, nor the ultimate faith person. I have to fight the fight of faith
in this like anyone else and depend on the Holy Spirit to help me through.
Searching my heart to see if I have any sin or rebellion is also a critical
part of this. I encourage folks to do the same.





Anyway, I would like to hear where folks
are on this, Izzy, along with your feedback.





 





 











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Iz:This 'liberal' did listen to he of the 'silver 
spoon in his mouth' and, what a boorrre!!! Now, 
if Miller or Arnold were the candidate well.. 

  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:37 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End of 
  Truthtalk
   
  
  Iz:See the 'G' man on this post of 
  yours. Do you understand his meaning? PS-No, I won't explain it if you 
  don't.
  

- Original Message - 


From: ShieldsFamily 


To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Sent: 
September 02, 2004 23:38

Subject: RE: 
[TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk

 
Dont feel bad 
Tim.  He thinks Im the blind one, even though my husband is an 
ophthalmologist. J God will judge us 
all as to who is on the side of right or wrong. Im happy to leave it in 
Gods hands, as He knows who I desire to please. If Im right, he will 
vindicate me.  If Im wrong He will lovingly correct me, provided my 
heart is open to His correction.  The same for us all. 
 Izzy
 




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of C. Tim 
WinkleySent: Thursday, 
September 02, 2004 8:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End of 
Truthtalk
 
d) Our 
newest member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman 
Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of 
pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the 
gospel.
 
Wow!  You have 
pretty well summed it up about me.  I dont remember saying that I hate 
sodomites or catholics?
 
Anyway, all the 
best to you and yours!
 
C. Tim 
Winkley
Aka Law 
Man
 
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Hughes 
JonathanSent: Thursday, 
September 02, 2004 9:23 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [TruthTalk] The End of 
Truthtalk
 
Tis 
Thursday September 2.  Today marks the end of the list we have all 
enjoyed: Truthtalk.  Aye, it is my sad duty to tell you all that the 
list is finished.  All emails will still be forwarded to your address 
and conversations will continue to occur unabated.  Do not let this 
confuse you into thinking that the list is still operating.  The 
following will continue to occur:
 
a)  Perry the 
absent moderator will continue to be absent unless there is a post on 
Mormonism in which case the clouds will break and you will see a post by 
him.
b)  Judy, also 
known as God will continue a life of being absolutely correct.  i.e. 
her way or the hellway.  Any question posed to her will be evaded by 
the use of one common question back: But why do you hate God's word of which 
I am the only person to understand it?  Here, have some 
Kool-aid.
c)  Republican 
Izzy I am sorry to say has become completely blind.  She will still be 
able to read your emails unless there is a hint of critical thinking 
involved.  Her critical thinking facilities have been sacrificed on the 
altar of US foreign policy.  This will cause an extra 23 emails per day 
to enter your inbox until her blood pressure subsides.  Please be 
careful.
d)  Our newest 
member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman 
Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of 
pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the gospel.  
You have been warned.
e)  The owner 
of this list, David Miller, will remain the owner of this now finished 
list.  A post by him will mark the second coming.  Arguments 
abound on whether this includes the rapture.  If you were not aware 
there are many more lists out there that are far more fun, interesting 
and edifying.  David is on those lists, not this one.  Please be 
aware that David is still living a sinless life.
f)  
John Smithson will continue to spend much of his time developing last 
names when not listening to heretical notions of the gospel from Baxter 
Kruger.
g)  Terry will 
continue to stock Democrat propaganda to use in his outhouse.  Monthly 
reports on rabbits will continue until they are eaten for 
dinner.
h)  Lance may 
actually write more than one line per post.  This will not be a 
sign of the second coming but rather the rise of the Anti-Christ.  This 
two line post will be just as garbled as his one line posts.  No one 
but the select few (known as the Canadian Trinity which ironically only 
contains two people) will be able to decipher this post.  Much of it 
will have something to do with outdated versions of meaning and 
co

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature









Thanks for standing with us, Lance. Izzy

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
5:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Christians' authority over nature



 



To all 'storm-rebukers':After you've (in God's name of
course) accomplished this may I suggest taking on the crisis in the Middle East. 







- Original Message - 





From: michael douglas






To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Sent: September 02, 2004
10:33





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Christians' authority over nature





 





Michael D: Izzy, I am glad to hear that
you have taken time to share your stand with us. Personally, I am rebuking the
storm and speaking death to it. I am not getting a clear witness from the Holy
Spirit about it dying, but I am trying to push the envelope. 





I would say, though, that you folks
States side need to take up the initiative here to protect the land. That is
where alot of the agreement should be pursued. Maybe the folks in Florida and the east
coast could commit to some point of agreement, here. Rebuking the storm from
approaching your coast and then speaking death to it would be good targets.aid
if we speak to the mountain and believe in our hearts that it will be removed,
we will have whatever we say. Put him in remembrance. He will know then that
you are taking His Word seriously and believing. Find scriptures that build
your faith in God's abulity to do this and meditate on them and declare
them over the threat. Some may need to fast, too. Remember this is a
battle. 





I will continue to speak death to it and
believe God with you all. I will want to know where you all are pitching as
well.





Now, lest anyone is mistaken, I am not a
know-it-all, nor the ultimate faith person. I have to fight the fight of faith
in this like anyone else and depend on the Holy Spirit to help me through.
Searching my heart to see if I have any sin or rebellion is also a critical
part of this. I encourage folks to do the same.





Anyway, I would like to hear where folks
are on this, Izzy, along with your feedback.





 





ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:





Michael D,

 

Thank you for the exhortation,
brother!  I will stand with you against this storm.  (Even though
I’m a woman, not a man.)  Please share with us exactly how you will
pray, because I believe we should pray in agreement.  I always rebuke the
storm in the name of Jesus because of, Matt. 8:26 He said to
them, "Why are you afraid, [Matt 6:30; 14:31; 16:8; 17:20] you men of
little faith?" Then He got up and rebuked
the winds and the sea, and it
became perfectly calm.  How exactly do you suggest we pray?  

 

Izzy

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglas
Sent: Wednesday, September 01,
2004 5:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Christians' authority over nature



 



Michael D: Folks, here we go again.
Another mega threat is heading to the shores of the U.S.  Florida
is again in the projected firing line. I really hope that folks will take the
things that I have been trying to convey seriously. Last week, twice I felt the
Spirit of the Lord witness to me that the reason He has had me sharing along
these lines, was to spare His people and those around them the effects of these
ravages. I am personally a bit pained to see the current threat loom up. It
seems that the enemy has trailed His guns at the U.S. (not
exclusively, but most definitely). I encourage you folks to please press the
resistance. Resist the devil and He will flee from you.  From what I
heard, they are forcasting many more to hit the US this year. I
believe that the people of God have the final say with that. Forbid any more
storms from coming up.





Let me just say that often I listen to
weather reports on local tv and when they forcast stuff, I say within myself,
no way. Regularly, the next day they give the 'meteoroligical' reasons for the
unexpected occurences, for example, some different wind direction comes and
took the precipitation out to sea etc.





Let me give you all a verse that I hope
increases our faith and shows how serious God is about this stuff:





 





Is 45:  11.  Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel and His
Maker, Ask Me of things to come concerning My sons, and concerning the work of My hands command ye
Me.
12. I have created the earth and created man upon it: I, even My hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host
have I commanded.





 





Remember that God said He was looking
for a man to stand in the gap and make up a hedge... 





 





I will seek to lend support to any
effort to resist the storm(s). Will any one put God in remembrance of His word
and make demands on His power?. THere's nothing to lose and all to gain, I would
think.





I think God is trying to enforce a
paradigm shift here. 





A la Judy... Crush the status quo...

RE: [TruthTalk] Baton Bob









Lance, My point being, you have to judge for yourself what God thinks about
the subject, not what “some people,
some books, they, the majority, etc.” think about it.  So who
cares what they think if they are wrong? I base my opinions on what I read/hear
the Holy Spirit saying. I give you permission to do the same. Izzy

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
5:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baton Bob



 



Iz:Your point being?







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Sent: September 02, 2004 19:09





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Baton Bob





 



Some folks don’t think Universality
is either. J Izzy

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
2:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baton Bob



 

Lance Muir wrote: 



Tim/Slade:A title of interest:Some Messianic Jews
say:'Messianic Judaism is Not Christianity' -Stan Telchin (f'wd by Moische Rosen)
Chosen Books, 



Not even confused
Christianity?
Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-09-03 Thread Knpraise

MichaelD  --  you know that I do not agree with the _expression_ of your faith in regards to the weather  --   BUT, I certainly respect your point of view.   There are many brethren in my church who believe the very same thing.  All of us on TT  (except that one atheist type)  beleiees in prayer and are praying for you folks.  The storm is losing force somewhat -- so who is to say who is right.   Give God the glory no matter what.  

The wife and are are off to the coast.   See you folks on Tuesday.  

a brother,
John





In a message dated 9/3/2004 6:59:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Michael D: Keep fighting the fight, Izzy.  I continue to do the same. Thank God Trinidad and Tobago are not affected by the storm. I am curious, Iz, what brought that question up? 
Anyway, Folks have to keep holding faith and taking authority over that threat and the enemy that is tis source.

ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
  Right on, Michael.  Agreed.  Every time I see/hear news reports about it I rebuke the storm in Jesusâ name and ask the Lord to dispatch His angels to push it back out to sea where it wonât hurt anyone, and dissipate it. Michael is there any chance of this storm impacting you if we donât pray against it?  Izzy

  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglas
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature


  

Michael D: Izzy, I am glad to hear that you have taken time to share your stand with us. Personally, I am rebuking the storm and speaking death to it. I am not getting a clear witness from the Holy Spirit about it dying, but I am trying to push the envelope. 


I would say, though, that you folks States side need to take up the initiative here to protect the land. That is where alot of the agreement should be pursued. Maybe the folks in Florida and the east coast could commit to some point of agreement, here. Rebuking the storm from approaching your coast and then speaking death to it would be good targets.aid if we speak to the mountain and believe in our hearts that it will be removed, we will have whatever we say. Put him in remembrance. He will know then that you are taking His Word seriously and believing. Find scriptures that build your faith in God's abulity to do this and meditate on them and declare them over the threat. Some may need to fast, too. Remember this is a battle. 


I will continue to speak death to it and believe God with you all. I will want to know where you all are pitching as well.


 Now, lest anyone is mistaken, I am not a know-it-all, nor the ultimate faith person. I have to fight the fight of faith in this like anyone else and depend on the Holy Spirit to help me through. Searching my heart to see if I have any sin or rebellion is also a critical part of this. I encourage folks to do the same.


 Anyway, I would like to hear where folks are on this, Izzy, along with your feedback.

RE: [TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk









All I hear is liberal static….I can’t
heeear you!!! Izzy

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
5:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 



Iz:See the 'G' man on this post of yours. Do you understand
his meaning? PS-No, I won't explain it if you don't.







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Sent: September 02, 2004
23:38





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
The End of Truthtalk





 



Don’t feel bad Tim.  He thinks
I’m the blind one, even though my husband is an ophthalmologist. J God will
judge us all as to who is on the side of right or wrong. I’m happy to
leave it in God’s hands, as He knows who I desire to please. If I’m
right, he will vindicate me.  If I’m wrong He will lovingly correct
me, provided my heart is open to His correction.  The same for us all.
 Izzy

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C. Tim Winkley
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
8:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End
of Truthtalk



 

d) Our newest member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating
(especially gay Roman Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that
the posting of pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the
gospel.

 

Wow!  You have pretty well summed it
up about me.  I don’t remember saying that I hate sodomites or
catholics?

 

Anyway, all the best to you and yours!

 

C. Tim Winkley

Aka Law Man

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
9:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] The End of
Truthtalk

 

Tis Thursday September
2.  Today marks the end of the list we have all enjoyed: Truthtalk. 
Aye, it is my sad duty to tell you all that the list is finished.  All
emails will still be forwarded to your address and conversations will continue
to occur unabated.  Do not let this confuse you into thinking that the
list is still operating.  The following will continue to occur:

 

a)  Perry the absent
moderator will continue to be absent unless there is a post on Mormonism in
which case the clouds will break and you will see a post by him.

b)  Judy, also known
as God will continue a life of being absolutely correct.  i.e. her way or
the hellway.  Any question posed to her will be evaded by the use of one
common question back: But why do you hate God's word of which I am the only
person to understand it?  Here, have some Kool-aid.

c)  Republican Izzy
I am sorry to say has become completely blind.  She will still be able to
read your emails unless there is a hint of critical thinking involved. 
Her critical thinking facilities have been sacrificed on the altar of US foreign
policy.  This will cause an extra 23 emails per day to enter your inbox
until her blood pressure subsides.  Please be careful.

d)  Our newest
member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman Catholics)
Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of pictures of a man
in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the gospel.  You have been warned.

e)  The owner of
this list, David Miller, will remain the owner of this now finished list. 
A post by him will mark the second coming.  Arguments abound on whether
this includes the rapture.  If you were not aware there are many more
lists out there that are far more fun, interesting and edifying. 
David is on those lists, not this one.  Please be aware that David is
still living a sinless life.

f) 
John Smithson will continue to spend much of his time developing last
names when not listening to heretical notions of the gospel from Baxter Kruger.

g)  Terry will
continue to stock Democrat propaganda to use in his outhouse.  Monthly
reports on rabbits will continue until they are eaten for dinner.

h)  Lance may
actually write more than one line per post.  This will not be a sign
of the second coming but rather the rise of the Anti-Christ.  This two
line post will be just as garbled as his one line posts.  No one but the
select few (known as the Canadian Trinity which ironically only contains two
people) will be able to decipher this post.  Much of it will have
something to do with outdated versions of meaning and context.  For the
first response to his post see point B.

i)  The From
O'Reilley to You subject heading will continue to be misspelled and used for
any topic but O'Reilly.

j)  Jeff the
weatherman will keep us all updated on, surprisingly, the weather.  Much
prayer will be used to send the storms to Democrat strongholds, in the hope
that a one-party system will develop ushering in the one-world government
miraculously curing Izzy's blindness.

h)  Slade - comments
omitted in case anyone would consider this parody to be anti-Semitic.

i)  Chris Barr while
wolfing down chromium pills like

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-09-03 Thread michael douglas

Michael D: That's a good idea. What are you suggesting exactly? Some clarity to your suggestion may help.Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

To all 'storm-rebukers':After you've (in God's name of course) accomplished this may I suggest taking on the crisis in the Middle East. 

- Original Message - 
From: michael douglas 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: September 02, 2004 10:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

Michael D: Izzy, I am glad to hear that you have taken time to share your stand with us. Personally, I am rebuking the storm and speaking death to it. I am not getting a clear witness from the Holy Spirit about it dying, but I am trying to push the envelope. 
I would say, though, that you folks States side need to take up the initiative here to protect the land. That is where alot of the agreement should be pursued. Maybe the folks in Florida and the east coast could commit to some point of agreement, here. Rebuking the storm from approaching your coast and then speaking death to it would be good targets.aid if we speak to the mountain and believe in our hearts that it will be removed, we will have whatever we say. Put him in remembrance. He will know then that you are taking His Word seriously and believing. Find scriptures that build your faith in God's abulity to do this and meditate on them and declare them over the threat. Some may need to fast, too. Remember this is a battle. 
I will continue to speak death to it and believe God with you all. I will want to know where you all are pitching as well.
Now, lest anyone is mistaken, I am not a know-it-all, nor the ultimate faith person. I have to fight the fight of faith in this like anyone else and depend on the Holy Spirit to help me through. Searching my heart to see if I have any sin or rebellion is also a critical part of this. I encourage folks to do the same.
Anyway, I would like to hear where folks are on this, Izzy, along with your feedback.

ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Michael D,

Thank you for the exhortation, brother!  I will stand with you against this storm.  (Even though Im a woman, not a man.)  Please share with us exactly how you will pray, because I believe we should pray in agreement.  I always rebuke the storm in the name of Jesus because of, Matt. 8:26 He said to them, "Why are you afraid, [Matt 6:30; 14:31; 16:8; 17:20] you men of little faith?" Then He got up and rebuked the winds and the sea, and it became perfectly calm.  How exactly do you suggest we pray?  

Izzy

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglasSent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:17 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

Michael D: Folks, here we go again. Another mega threat is heading to the shores of the U.S.  Florida is again in the projected firing line. I really hope that folks will take the things that I have been trying to convey seriously. Last week, twice I felt the Spirit of the Lord witness to me that the reason He has had me sharing along these lines, was to spare His people and those around them the effects of these ravages. I am personally a bit pained to see the current threat loom up. It seems that the enemy has trailed His guns at the U.S. (not exclusively, but most definitely). I encourage you folks to please press the resistance.
 Resist the devil and He will flee from you.  From what I heard, they are forcasting many more to hit the US this year. I believe that the people of God have the final say with that. Forbid any more storms from coming up.

Let me just say that often I listen to weather reports on local tv and when they forcast stuff, I say within myself, no way. Regularly, the next day they give the 'meteoroligical' reasons for the unexpected occurences, for example, some different wind direction comes and took the precipitation out to sea etc.

Let me give you all a verse that I hope increases our faith and shows how serious God is about this stuff:

Is 45:  11.  Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel and His Maker, Ask Me of things to come concerning My sons, and concerning the work of My hands command ye Me.12. I have created the earth and created man upon it: I, even My hands, have stretched out
 the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Remember that God said He was looking for a man to stand in the gap and make up a hedge... 

I will seek to lend support to any effort to resist the storm(s). Will any one put God in remembrance of His word and make demands on His power?. THere's nothing to lose and all to gain, I would think.

I think God is trying to enforce a paradigm shift here. 

A la Judy... Crush the status quo... 

michael douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

jt: True Jesus came to do good and to heal ALL who are oppressed of the devil. I know faith is important but spiritual discernment is vital also Michael.  If the enemy has a toehold or doorpoint i

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature









John, Our best wishes to you and your
bride.  Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy.  Izzy

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004
10:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Christians' authority over nature



 

Terry, Slade, Izzy(?) and who else:

My wife and I will offer a few words for you this weekend while we celebrate
our fourth year together somewhere over on the coast.   Yes, as we
wake up on Saturday and Sunday mornings, walk out onto the balcony overlooking
the Pacific ocean, watch the Sun rise over
there in the East -- we will be thinking of you.  

Out here, they are saying this storm is twice as large as Andrew.  
God bless this weekend.  

Michael, you and who else?  

John

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-09-03 Thread michael douglas

Michael D: Keep fighting the fight, Izzy.  I continue to do the same. Thank God Trinidad and Tobago are not affected by the storm. I am curious, Iz, what brought that question up? 
Anyway, Folks have to keep holding faith and taking authority over that threat and the enemy that is tis source.ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









Right on, Michael.  Agreed.  Every time I see/hear news reports about it I rebuke the storm in Jesus name and ask the Lord to dispatch His angels to push it back out to sea where it wont hurt anyone, and dissipate it. Michael is there any chance of this storm impacting you if we dont pray against it?  Izzy
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglasSent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:34 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature
 

Michael D: Izzy, I am glad to hear that you have taken time to share your stand with us. Personally, I am rebuking the storm and speaking death to it. I am not getting a clear witness from the Holy Spirit about it dying, but I am trying to push the envelope. 

I would say, though, that you folks States side need to take up the initiative here to protect the land. That is where alot of the agreement should be pursued. Maybe the folks in Florida and the east coast could commit to some point of agreement, here. Rebuking the storm from approaching your coast and then speaking death to it would be good targets.aid if we speak to the mountain and believe in our hearts that it will be removed, we will have whatever we say. Put him in remembrance. He will know then that you are taking His Word seriously and believing. Find scriptures that build your faith in God's abulity to do this and meditate on them and declare them over the threat. Some may need to fast, too. Remember this is a battle. 

I will continue to speak death to it and believe God with you all. I will want to know where you all are pitching as well.

Now, lest anyone is mistaken, I am not a know-it-all, nor the ultimate faith person. I have to fight the fight of faith in this like anyone else and depend on the Holy Spirit to help me through. Searching my heart to see if I have any sin or rebellion is also a critical part of this. I encourage folks to do the same.

Anyway, I would like to hear where folks are on this, Izzy, along with your feedback.

 
 
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Re: [TruthTalk] storm

2004-09-03 Thread Terry Clifton

We are fine.  Looks like the most we may get is gale force winds, and 
probably not even that.  Hopefully, we will get some much needed rain.  
Reports at 6:30 this morning shows it weakening.
Everyone please continue to pray for those in the Bahamas.  Some of 
those islands have no high ground.  Many boats and homes and some lives 
will be lost, and for most there, a boat is not a pleasure craft.  It is 
a way of making a living.

Thanks for asking.
Terry
Slade Henson wrote:
At this point, we're going to hang. If the eye decides to cruise over our
rooftop, we'll be elsewhere. How about you??
--slade
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 7:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] storm
How 'bout it Slade?  Are you buggin' out or hangin' in?
We will br praying for you and yours in either case, but would like to
know your plan so we can pray accordingly.
Terry
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Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature




To all 'storm-rebukers':After you've (in God's name 
of course) accomplished this may I suggest taking on the crisis in the Middle 
East. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  michael 
  douglas 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: September 02, 2004 10:33
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' 
  authority over nature
  
  Michael D: Izzy, I am glad to hear that you have 
  taken time to share your stand with us. Personally, I am rebuking the storm 
  and speaking death to it. I am not getting a clear witness from the Holy 
  Spirit about it dying, but I am trying to push the envelope. 
  I would say, though, that you folks States side need 
  to take up the initiative here to protect the land. That is where alot of the 
  agreement should be pursued. Maybe the folks in Florida and the east coast 
  could commit to some point of agreement, here. Rebuking the storm from 
  approaching your coast and then speaking death to it would be good targets.aid 
  if we speak to the mountain and believe in our hearts that it will be removed, 
  we will have whatever we say. Put him in remembrance. He will know then that 
  you are taking His Word seriously and believing. Find scriptures that build 
  your faith in God's abulity to do this and meditate on them and declare 
  them over the threat. Some may need to fast, too. Remember this is a 
  battle. 
  I will continue to speak death to it and believe God 
  with you all. I will want to know where you all are pitching as 
  well.
  Now, lest anyone is mistaken, I am not a know-it-all, 
  nor the ultimate faith person. I have to fight the fight of faith in this like 
  anyone else and depend on the Holy Spirit to help me through. Searching my 
  heart to see if I have any sin or rebellion is also a critical part of this. I 
  encourage folks to do the same.
  Anyway, I would like to hear where folks are on this, 
  Izzy, along with your feedback.
   
  ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  








Michael 
D,
 
Thank you for the 
exhortation, brother!  I will stand with you against this storm.  
(Even though Im a woman, not a man.)  Please share with us exactly how 
you will pray, because I believe we should pray in agreement.  I always 
rebuke the storm in the name of Jesus because of, Matt. 8:26 
He said to them, "Why are you afraid, [Matt 6:30; 14:31; 16:8; 
17:20] you men of little faith?" Then He got up and rebuked the winds and the sea, and it became 
perfectly calm.  How exactly do you suggest we 
pray?  
 
Izzy
 




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of michael 
douglasSent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 
5:17 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' 
authority over nature
 

Michael D: Folks, here we go again. 
Another mega threat is heading to the shores of the U.S.  
Florida is 
again in the projected firing line. I really hope that folks will take the 
things that I have been trying to convey seriously. Last week, twice I felt 
the Spirit of the Lord witness to me that the reason He has had me sharing 
along these lines, was to spare His people and those around them the effects 
of these ravages. I am personally a bit pained to see the current threat 
loom up. It seems that the enemy has trailed His guns at the 
U.S. (not exclusively, but most 
definitely). I encourage you folks to please press the resistance. Resist 
the devil and He will flee from you.  From what I heard, they are 
forcasting many more to hit the US this year. I believe that the 
people of God have the final say with that. Forbid any more storms from 
coming up.

Let me just say that often I listen 
to weather reports on local tv and when they forcast stuff, I say within 
myself, no way. Regularly, the next day they give the 'meteoroligical' 
reasons for the unexpected occurences, for example, some different wind 
direction comes and took the precipitation out to sea 
etc.

Let me give you all a verse that I 
hope increases our faith and shows how serious God is about this 
stuff:

 

Is 45:  11.  Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel and His 
Maker, Ask Me of things to come concerning My sons, 
and concerning 
the work of My hands command ye 
Me.12. I have created the earth and created man upon it: I, 
even My 
hands, 
have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I 
commanded.

 

Remember that God said He was 
looking for a man to stand in the gap and make up a hedge... 


 

I will seek to lend support to any 
effort to resist the storm(s). Will any one put God in remembrance of His 
word and make demands on His power?. THere's nothing to lose and all to 
gain, I would thin

Re: [TruthTalk] Baton Bob




Iz:Your point being?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: September 02, 2004 19:09
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Baton Bob
  
  
  Some folks dont 
  think Universality is either. J 
  Izzy
   
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:48 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baton 
  Bob
   
  Lance Muir wrote: 
  
  Tim/Slade:A title of interest:Some Messianic Jews 
  say:'Messianic Judaism is Not Christianity' -Stan Telchin (f'wd by Moische 
  Rosen) Chosen Books, 
  
  Not even confused 
  Christianity?Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] The End of Truthtalk

Iz:See the 'G' man on this post of yours. Do you 
understand his meaning? PS-No, I won't explain it if you don't.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

  Sent: September 02, 2004 23:38
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End of 
  Truthtalk

  Dont feel bad 
  Tim.  He thinks Im the blind one, even though my husband is an 
  ophthalmologist. J God will judge us 
  all as to who is on the side of right or wrong. Im happy to leave it in Gods 
  hands, as He knows who I desire to please. If Im right, he will vindicate 
  me.  If Im wrong He will lovingly correct me, provided my heart is open 
  to His correction.  The same for us all. 
   Izzy

  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of C. Tim 
  WinkleySent: Thursday, 
  September 02, 2004 8:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The End of 
  Truthtalk

  d)   
  Our 
  newest member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman 
  Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of 
  pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the 
  gospel.

  Wow!  You have 
  pretty well summed it up about me.  I dont remember saying that I hate 
  sodomites or catholics?

  Anyway, all the best 
  to you and yours!

  C. Tim 
  Winkley
  Aka Law Man

  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Hughes JonathanSent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:23 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [TruthTalk] The End of 
  Truthtalk

  Tis 
  Thursday September 2.  Today marks the end of the list we have all 
  enjoyed: Truthtalk.  Aye, it is my sad duty to tell you all that the list 
  is finished.  All emails will still be forwarded to your address and 
  conversations will continue to occur unabated.  Do not let this confuse 
  you into thinking that the list is still operating.  The following will 
  continue to occur:

  a)  
  Perry the absent moderator will continue to be absent unless there is a post 
  on Mormonism in which case the clouds will break and you will see a post by 
  him.
  b)  
  Judy, also known as God will continue a life of being absolutely 
  correct.  i.e. her way or the hellway.  Any question posed to her 
  will be evaded by the use of one common question back: But why do you hate 
  God's word of which I am the only person to understand it?  Here, have 
  some Kool-aid.
  c)  
  Republican Izzy I am sorry to say has become completely blind.  She will 
  still be able to read your emails unless there is a hint of critical thinking 
  involved.  Her critical thinking facilities have been sacrificed on the 
  altar of US foreign policy.  This will cause an extra 23 emails per day 
  to enter your inbox until her blood pressure subsides.  Please be 
  careful.
  d)  
  Our newest member, the gay hating, Roman Catholic hating (especially gay Roman 
  Catholics) Tim 'Baton' Lawman will convince you all that the posting of 
  pictures of a man in a tutu are the equivalent of denying the gospel.  
  You have been warned.
  e)  
  The owner of this list, David Miller, will remain the owner of this now 
  finished list.  A post by him will mark the second coming.  
  Arguments abound on whether this includes the rapture.  If you were not 
  aware there are many more lists out there that are far more 
  fun, interesting and edifying.  David is on those lists, not this 
  one.  Please be aware that David is still living a sinless 
  life.
  f)  
  John Smithson will continue to spend much of his time developing last 
  names when not listening to heretical notions of the gospel from Baxter 
  Kruger.
  g)  
  Terry will continue to stock Democrat propaganda to use in his outhouse.  
  Monthly reports on rabbits will continue until they are eaten for 
  dinner.
  h)  
  Lance may actually write more than one line per post.  This will not 
  be a sign of the second coming but rather the rise of the Anti-Christ.  
  This two line post will be just as garbled as his one line posts.  No one 
  but the select few (known as the Canadian Trinity which ironically only 
  contains two people) will be able to decipher this post.  Much of it will 
  have something to do with outdated versions of meaning and context.  For 
  the first response to his post see point B.
  i)  
  The From O'Reilley to You subject heading will continue to be misspelled and 
  used for any topic but O'Reilly.
  j)  
  Jeff the weatherman will keep us all updated on, surprisingly, the 
  weather.  Much prayer will be used to send the storms to Democrat 
  strongholds, in the hope that a one-party system will develop ushering in the 
  one-world government miraculously curing Izzy's blindness.
  h)  
  Slade - comments omitted in case anyone would consider this parody to be 
  anti-Semitic.
  i)  
  Chris Barr while wolfing down chromium pills like there is no to

RE: [TruthTalk] storm