Re: [TruthTalk] Truth
Is that the one owned by Dolly Parton? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Truth Wont buy him a ticket to Gloryland. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:39 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth Gary is the one artist on TT. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 06:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth I thank the Lord for that if what you have been proferring are "original thoughts" Remember GO - There is nothing new under the sun, it has all been thought, said, and done before. Your so called "original thoughts" may not be as original as you think. On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 21:33:27 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: indeed, it suggests you are incapable of thinking an original thought On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 23:16:22 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: No evidence suggests that I am not in the habit of proof texting
Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?
I don't mind funnin' even at my expense. Why would I as I've done so often, often myself. However, shall I ask of you, Iz, whether you believe the Appalachian snake handlers to be testing God or, obeying His Word? I note that upon raising an actual matter (HS & tongues) everyone fled to the hills. We all know that none of you has access, through the Word of God, to THE understanding on ALL issues. Does anyone of you brash souls wish to differ on this point? As our beloved moderator has said ...Hm...what has he actually said in the last 24 hours consistent with a week ago? Any takers? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? I guess Paul went overboard, too, when he shook that snake off his hand and didnt get sick. Such a literal guy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:28 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? That was an reference to the 'Appalachian snake handlers'. Thus, those who've gone a touch overboard on literalism. Look in the mirror folks.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
IFO thought quite the opposite. But then you know me. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DaveH, I cant help but notice the change in you of late. It hasnt been good. Think about it. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave HansenSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:02 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair?(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.)Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel.
JRRT, CSL, John Updike, Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, Lamott...Care to comment as to whether their's was a or b? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel. And me. I use my imagination whenever I create a new design for a quilt, for example. Or decorate my home. Or write. Or make a collage (Im creating one around Romans 8.) Dont confuse a godly imagination with a worldly/fleshly one. (God used His when He created the Universe.) Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel. John Lennon and three year olds On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 06:39:56 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Imagination anyone? From: Judy Taylor Hey Kevin, this is excellent - one question - is there room for "original thoughts?" On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:24:10 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There is no room for broadmindedness in the chemical laboratory. Water is composed of two parts, hydrogen and one part oxygen. The slightest deviation from the formula is forbidden. There is no room for broadmindedness in music. The skilled director will not permit his first violin to play even so much as one-half note off the written note, chord, and key. There is no room for broadmindedness in the mathematics classroom. Neither geometry, calculus, nor trigonometry allows any variation from exact accuracy, even for old time's sake. The solution of the problem is either right or it is wrong (no tolerance there). There is no room for broadmindedness on the athletic field. The game is to be played according to the rules with no favors shown for 'charity's sake.' There is no room for broadmindedness in the garage. The mechanic there says the piston rings must fit the cylinder walls within one-thousandth part of an inch. Even between friends there cannot be any variation if 'the motor is to run smoothly.' How then shall we expect that broadmindedness shall rule in the realm of Christianity and morals? He that forsakes the truth of God, forsakes the God of truth. Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: TRUTH IS Jesus Christ. He is the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:34:18 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..praise the God of Abe, Isaac, and Jacob, eh, C :) ? On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:27:40 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (2+2 is 4, the Earth revolves around the Sun, gravity dictates the ebb & flow of Earth's oceanic tides, 'truth came through Jesus Christ') On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:38:14 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 12:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel. Jesus said "Thy Word is truth", not part of the truth. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
In order for you to really understand SP's you would have to God's call on your life. Not a few would wade into crowds of assembled thousands to stand alone & lift their voice like a trumpet. Like their Master and at His command. But of course this is another difference between the jesus of Mormonism and the Jesus of the Bible. JN 7 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Is 58 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. And how could one have such a call except they are changed to the core by the power of God? It is not a natural ability but a supernatural one that is displayed in the face of sometimes angry crowds 2 Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. So you will be frustarted in any attempt to "understand"Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langli
Re: [TruthTalk] ***************Respose - Moderator commentADHOM*************
Are you implying Dean called you such NAMES?Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dave why are you trying to fuel dissection between the groups?DAVEH: Hwell, I hadn't thought about dissecting you guys, but it is a tempting thought you've given me! ;-) Is it the Mormon in you doing such-or are you just plain mean?DAVEH: LOL..Sometimes I think SPers are their own worst enemy! You have the power to push the button that bars me from TT, Dean. If you do such, I don't think your problems will all go with me. I've been called a pagan here, a snake in the grass, satan's messenger boyand I've been falsely accused of condoning violence against SPers. So let me ask you, Dean..Is it the Christian in you doing such-or are you just plain mean?Dean Moore wrote: cd:Dave why are you trying to fuel dissection between the groups??Is it the Mormon in you doing such-or are you just plain mean?. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 11:03:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***Respose - Moderator commentADHOM*The latter.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 10:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***Respose - Moderator comment ADHOM* IFO would not have such an assessment of anyone on TT.DAVEH: Is that is because you do not consider yourself a protected friend of the moderator and fear reprisal, Lance.or is it because you have a measure of respect for TT rules and other TTers?Lance Muir wrote: So Kevin, at least I know where we stand. Thanks for the clarity in your judgment. IFO would not have such an assessment of anyone on TT. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 09:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***Respose - Moderator comment ADHOM* This is why I call you UNREGENERATE/LOST Lost in sin dull of hearing of God's word not mine.Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ROTFLOL No you are in Sin 'cause YOU bore false witness. So there! Take that! Nya nya!! - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 07:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***Respose - Moderator comment ADHOM*You are in SIN you bore false witness Du 19:16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you. Then you added SIN to SIN in refusing to answer questions about such False testimonyLeviticus 5:1. And if a soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his iniquity. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Point proven?? Like I said, I stay for the humour. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 21:05 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ***Respose - Moderator comment ADHOM* Moderator: Point proven Kevin-Thank you-There is truth here in what you say.Carry on . - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/6/2006 8:55:37 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] ***Respose - Moderator comment ADHOM*Moderator: Kevin can you prove this to be true about Lance? Noun: false witness A person who deliberately gives false testimony Ex 20:16 thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor Read the post from DH about then lance's response, he says "Me too, Dave. When TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by 'acting out') these persons occasionally do seem surprised." Does repeating stories about which one was not a witness qualify for bearing FALSE WITNESS? IF YOU WANT TO BE JUDGE then according to DU 19 you need to make DILIGENT INQUIRY INTO THE MATTER! This is only FAIR and according to God's word it is also RIGHT! Du 19:16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from am
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
How can that (my interpretation implies Dean) be wrong? Where does one go from here? Your honour, my client pleads insanity. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 18:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 6:04:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Follow your conscience, Dean. Sometimes your conscience is directed by God but, sometimes cd: I do not preach another conscience Lance-I preach the written word of God -from the Bible itself-again words have meaning and it is written in English .How can that be wrong? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 20:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd: Is speaking of the greatness if Christ "objective" to you Lance? That is what I we do. Would you like to come and hear me speak-or Kevin? He is Just across the falls and I will meet you there? We only encourage others to come to Jesus-why are we wrong to do so? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/6/2006 12:23:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Me too, Dave. When TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by 'acting out') these persons occasionally do seem surprised. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 10:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: OK Dean, I understand your sensitivity to such and will respond without using the words you find objectionable. I would like to continue to discuss this, as I find it interesting to see how SPers think. I am curious as to why one would still show up on somebody's doorstep when an objectionable topic is mentioned rather than discuss it with them via the phone or email? What is to be accomplished by a personal visit? Most folks would understand such a visit to be a physical threat, even though it could be claimed that the offended has a constitutional right to confront the offender. The reason I ask this is because it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they are physically attacked when confronting sinners on the streets. Yet they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in the mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does it give SPers confidence if they are persecuted for the Lord's sake ? I suppose an argument can be made that if one dies while in the service of the Lord, it would be a feather in the cap of the persecuted while at the same time driving the persecutor even deeper into hell. To me that seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer (or guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a catalyst in this scenario. IOWIs a SPer guilty of promoting a problem when he uses his constitutionally guaranteed free speech to aggravate a situation that can and will likely turn to violence?Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: Wouldn't have to show up in Portland DaveH-all I would have to do is click a button and my problem is solved and that is exactly what I going to do the next time you use the words-** in the combination that you used them below. Discussion over-warning given! - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, from what you said previously about the oneness of husband and wife, if I were to ask you about ,, you would take that as a personal attack on ** and would then presume it to be a personal attack on you as well, and then proceed to come to Portland and show up on my doorstep.is that correct?
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean. Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg, may I ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without difficulty for either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please demonstrate. If no then, qualify your statement (what you say) in line with what you can actually do. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 18:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I interpret it. How I read the words that are spoken-We all do speak English right? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?
Hey man it is a sign of God and obviously if one claims to have these sign gifts THIS IS THE REAL MCCOY Hey ALL WILL BELIEVE if you display These gifts Another BIGGIE is drinking poison MK16 And if one has the gifts they NEED to have these too Hey if it was good enough for Paul it should be good for you. Like our Mormon friends who are wells without water who fiegn the gift of healing I have yet to meet a one who fiegns the other two! MK 16 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Got gifts? If you have them, you "SHALL" have ALL Three Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. Maybe this is why someone tried to eliminate the ending of MK 16? Easy to fake one not easy to fake the other two. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't mind funnin' even at my expense. Why would I as I've done so often, often myself. However, shall I ask of you, Iz, whether you believe the Appalachian snake handlers to be testing God or, obeying His Word? I note that upon raising an actual matter (HS & tongues) everyone fled to the hills. We all know that none of you has access, through the Word of God, to THE understanding on ALL issues. Does anyone of you brash souls wish to differ on this point? As our beloved moderator has said ...Hm...what has he actually said in the last 24 hours consistent with a week ago? Any takers? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? I guess Paul went overboard, too, when he shook that snake off his hand and didnt get sick. Such a literal guy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:28 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? That was an reference to the 'Appalachian snake handlers'. Thus, those who've gone a touch overboard on literalism. Look in the mirror folks.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER,
Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?
Thanks for this, Kevin. I can almost understand you. Have you ever been bitten by a venemous snake? Did you seek medical assistance? If you haven't then, were such to occur, would you seek medical attention? More specifically Kevin, are those 'snake handlers' testing God or following his word? Can one claim to have been baptised in the Spirit without speaking in tongues. Is tongues the evidence? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 05:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? Hey man it is a sign of God and obviously if one claims to have these sign gifts THIS IS THE REAL MCCOY Hey ALL WILL BELIEVE if you display These gifts Another BIGGIE is drinking poison MK16 And if one has the gifts they NEED to have these too Hey if it was good enough for Paul it should be good for you. Like our Mormon friends who are wells without water who fiegn the gift of healing I have yet to meet a one who fiegns the other two! MK 16 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Got gifts? If you have them, you "SHALL" have ALL Three Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. Maybe this is why someone tried to eliminate the ending of MK 16? Easy to fake one not easy to fake the other two. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't mind funnin' even at my expense. Why would I as I've done so often, often myself. However, shall I ask of you, Iz, whether you believe the Appalachian snake handlers to be testing God or, obeying His Word? I note that upon raising an actual matter (HS & tongues) everyone fled to the hills. We all know that none of you has access, through the Word of God, to THE understanding on ALL issues. Does anyone of you brash souls wish to differ on this point? As our beloved moderator has said ...Hm...what has he actually said in the last 24 hours consistent with a week ago? Any takers? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? I guess Paul went overboard, too, when he shook that snake off his hand and didnt get sick. Such a literal guy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:28 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? That was an reference to the 'Appalachian snake handlers'. Thus, those who've gone a touch overboard on literalism. Look in the mirror folks. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
I'm not. John is. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine deci
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Boy you ask a lot for one who is the master of one word answers and Total avoidance of some questions Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean. Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg, may I ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without difficulty for either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please demonstrate. If no then, qualify your statement (what you say) in line with what you can actually do. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 18:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I interpret it. How I read the words that are spoken-We all do speak English right?- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Don't I though? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Boy you ask a lot for one who is the master of one word answers and Total avoidance of some questions Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean. Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg, may I ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without difficulty for either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please demonstrate. If no then, qualify your statement (what you say) in line with what you can actually do. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 18:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I interpret it. How I read the words that are spoken-We all do speak English right? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone w
Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?
Read the verse real slow And these signs shall follow them that believe What is so difficult about plainess of speech?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for this, Kevin. I can almost understand you. Have you ever been bitten by a venemous snake? Did you seek medical assistance? If you haven't then, were such to occur, would you seek medical attention? More specifically Kevin, are those 'snake handlers' testing God or following his word? Can one claim to have been baptised in the Spirit without speaking in tongues. Is tongues the evidence?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 05:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?Hey man it is a sign of God and obviously if one claims to have these sign gifts THIS IS THE REAL MCCOY Hey ALL WILL BELIEVE if you display These gifts Another BIGGIE is drinking poison MK16 And if one has the gifts they NEED to have these too Hey if it was good enough for Paul it should be good for you. Like our Mormon friends who are wells without water who fiegn the gift of healing I have yet to meet a one who fiegns the other two! MK 16 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Got gifts? If you have them, you "SHALL" have ALL Three Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. Maybe this is why someone tried to eliminate the ending of MK 16? Easy to fake one not easy to fake the other two. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't mind funnin' even at my expense. Why would I as I've done so often, often myself. However, shall I ask of you, Iz, whether you believe the Appalachian snake handlers to be testing God or, obeying His Word? I note that upon raising an actual matter (HS & tongues) everyone fled to the hills. We all know that none of you has access, through the Word of God, to THE understanding on ALL issues. Does anyone of you brash souls wish to differ on this point? As our beloved moderator has said ...Hm...what has he actually said in the last 24 hours consistent with a week ago? Any takers? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? I guess Paul went overboard, too, when he shook that snake off his hand and didnt get sick. Such a literal guy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:28 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? That was an reference to the 'Appalachian snake handlers'. Thus, those who've gone a touch overboard on literalism. Look in the mirror folks. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
John is a SA for GW?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not. John is. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six e
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Your not teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decis
Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?
More specifically Kevin, are those 'snake handlers' testing God or following his word? Maybe I was not clear and I would think it is OBVIOUS on the face of the issue. This is why few claim this gift. Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. http://www.rickross.com/reference/snake/snake8..htmlLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for this, Kevin. I can almost understand you. Have you ever been bitten by a venemous snake? Did you seek medical assistance? If you haven't then, were such to occur, would you seek medical attention? More specifically Kevin, are those 'snake handlers' testing God or following his word? Can one claim to have been baptised in the Spirit without speaking in tongues. Is tongues the evidence?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 05:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?Hey man it is a sign of God and obviously if one claims to have these sign gifts THIS IS THE REAL MCCOY Hey ALL WILL BELIEVE if you display These gifts Another BIGGIE is drinking poison MK16 And if one has the gifts they NEED to have these too Hey if it was good enough for Paul it should be good for you. Like our Mormon friends who are wells without water who fiegn the gift of healing I have yet to meet a one who fiegns the other two! MK 16 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Got gifts? If you have them, you "SHALL" have ALL Three Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. Maybe this is why someone tried to eliminate the ending of MK 16? Easy to fake one not easy to fake the other two. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't mind funnin' even at my expense. Why would I as I've done so often, often myself. However, shall I ask of you, Iz, whether you believe the Appalachian snake handlers to be testing God or, obeying His Word? I note that upon raising an actual matter (HS & tongues) everyone fled to the hills. We all know that none of you has access, through the Word of God, to THE understanding on ALL issues. Does anyone of you brash souls wish to differ on this point? As our beloved moderator has said ...Hm...what has he actually said in the last 24 hours consistent with a week ago? Any takers? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? I guess Paul went overboard, too, when he shook that snake off his hand and didnt get sick. Such a literal guy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:28 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? That was an reference to the 'Appalachian snake handlers'. Thus, those who've gone a touch overboard on literalism. Look in the mirror folks. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
"Have you received a ministry from the Lord? If so, you must be faithful to it - to consider your life valuable only for the purpose of fulfilling that ministry. ...To do this we must have close fellowship with Jesus and must know Him as more than our personal Savior. And we must be willing to experience the full impact of, - 'I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake.' ...He is not offering us a choice of how we can serve Him; He is asking for absolute loyalty to His commission" Oswald Chambers 'My Utmost For His Highest' Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decisio
Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?
So then Kevin, YOU DON'T LAY CLAIM TO THESE GIFTS? Thanks for the clarification. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? More specifically Kevin, are those 'snake handlers' testing God or following his word? Maybe I was not clear and I would think it is OBVIOUS on the face of the issue. This is why few claim this gift. Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. http://www.rickross.com/reference/snake/snake8..htmlLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for this, Kevin. I can almost understand you. Have you ever been bitten by a venemous snake? Did you seek medical assistance? If you haven't then, were such to occur, would you seek medical attention? More specifically Kevin, are those 'snake handlers' testing God or following his word? Can one claim to have been baptised in the Spirit without speaking in tongues. Is tongues the evidence? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 05:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? Hey man it is a sign of God and obviously if one claims to have these sign gifts THIS IS THE REAL MCCOY Hey ALL WILL BELIEVE if you display These gifts Another BIGGIE is drinking poison MK16 And if one has the gifts they NEED to have these too Hey if it was good enough for Paul it should be good for you. Like our Mormon friends who are wells without water who fiegn the gift of healing I have yet to meet a one who fiegns the other two! MK 16 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Got gifts? If you have them, you "SHALL" have ALL Three Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. Maybe this is why someone tried to eliminate the ending of MK 16? Easy to fake one not easy to fake the other two. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't mind funnin' even at my expense. Why would I as I've done so often, often myself. However, shall I ask of you, Iz, whether you believe the Appalachian snake handlers to be testing God or, obeying His Word? I note that upon raising an actual matter (HS & tongues) everyone fled to the hills. We all know that none of you has access, through the Word of God, to THE understanding on ALL issues. Does anyone of you brash souls wish to differ on this point? As our beloved moderator has said ...Hm...what has he actually said in the last 24 hours consistent with a week ago? Any takers? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? I guess Paul went overboard, too, when he shook that snake off his hand and didnt get sick. Such a literal guy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:28 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? That was an reference to the 'Appalachian snake handlers'. Thus, those who've gone a touch overboard on literalism. Look in the mirror folks. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
There is a rather large distinction between agreeing with you Kevin, and being teachable. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Your not teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to s
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
A hearty Amen to the statement and, the originator of it (Oswald Chambers). - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? "Have you received a ministry from the Lord? If so, you must be faithful to it - to consider your life valuable only for the purpose of fulfilling that ministry. ...To do this we must have close fellowship with Jesus and must know Him as more than our personal Savior. And we must be willing to experience the full impact of, - 'I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake.' ...He is not offering us a choice of how we can serve Him; He is asking for absolute loyalty to His commission" Oswald Chambers 'My Utmost For His Highest' Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many le
Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?
I read it slow. As you did not answer, I then assumed that such was not true of you. Sorta like CPP/WMD! Based on your non-answer I'd still assume that they don't ALL reflect your experience. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:15 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? Read the verse real slow And these signs shall follow them that believe What is so difficult about plainess of speech?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for this, Kevin. I can almost understand you. Have you ever been bitten by a venemous snake? Did you seek medical assistance? If you haven't then, were such to occur, would you seek medical attention? More specifically Kevin, are those 'snake handlers' testing God or following his word? Can one claim to have been baptised in the Spirit without speaking in tongues. Is tongues the evidence? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 05:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? Hey man it is a sign of God and obviously if one claims to have these sign gifts THIS IS THE REAL MCCOY Hey ALL WILL BELIEVE if you display These gifts Another BIGGIE is drinking poison MK16 And if one has the gifts they NEED to have these too Hey if it was good enough for Paul it should be good for you. Like our Mormon friends who are wells without water who fiegn the gift of healing I have yet to meet a one who fiegns the other two! MK 16 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Got gifts? If you have them, you "SHALL" have ALL Three Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. Maybe this is why someone tried to eliminate the ending of MK 16? Easy to fake one not easy to fake the other two. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't mind funnin' even at my expense. Why would I as I've done so often, often myself. However, shall I ask of you, Iz, whether you believe the Appalachian snake handlers to be testing God or, obeying His Word? I note that upon raising an actual matter (HS & tongues) everyone fled to the hills. We all know that none of you has access, through the Word of God, to THE understanding on ALL issues. Does anyone of you brash souls wish to differ on this point? As our beloved moderator has said ...Hm...what has he actually said in the last 24 hours consistent with a week ago? Any takers? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? I guess Paul went overboard, too, when he shook that snake off his hand and didnt get sick. Such a literal guy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:28 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? That was an reference to the 'Appalachian snake handlers'. Thus, those who've gone a touch overboard on literalism. Look in the mirror folks. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
John is a CT 'big time' at least with respect to the Kennedy assassination. I don't know about other CTS. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? John is a SA for GW?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not. John is. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, le
Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn
http://www.cultlink.com/ar/hinnfalse.htm benny is a False prophet in 1989 at Orlando Christian Center he prohesied: "The Lord also tells me to tell you in mid 90s -- about '94 or '95, no later than that -- God will destroy the homosexual community of America . . . He will destroy it with fire." "The Spirit of God tells me -- an earthquake will hit the East Coast of America and destroy much in the 90s." "The Spirit tells me -- Fidel Castro will die in the 90s. . . Holy Spirit just said to me, it'll be worse than any death you can imagine." __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
For someone who is so concerned with such you are very set in your doctrineLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is a rather large distinction between agreeing with you Kevin, and being teachable.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Your not teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite comi
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
I bet if I was a Canadian SP you would sing " Canada" http://www.ariseandwalk.com/news.php?id=39Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A hearty Amen to the statement and, the originator of it (Oswald Chambers).- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?"Have you received a ministry from the Lord? If so, you must be faithful to it - to consider your life valuable only for the purpose of fulfilling that ministry. ...To do this we must have close fellowship with Jesus and must know Him as more than our personal Savior. And we must be willing to experience the full impact of, - 'I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake.' ...He is not offering us a choice of how we can serve Him; He is asking for absolute loyalty to His commission" Oswald Chambers 'My Utmost For His Highest' Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't q
Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn
IFF he (BH) did say that then, he is. I'd like to hear from DM on this one. He has come to Hinn's defence often. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn http://www.cultlink.com/ar/hinnfalse.htm benny is a False prophet in 1989 at Orlando Christian Center he prohesied: "The Lord also tells me to tell you in mid 90s -- about '94 or '95, no later than that -- God will destroy the homosexual community of America . . . He will destroy it with fire." "The Spirit of God tells me -- an earthquake will hit the East Coast of America and destroy much in the 90s." "The Spirit tells me -- Fidel Castro will die in the 90s. . . Holy Spirit just said to me, it'll be worse than any death you can imagine." __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
I'm not certain that I know all of the words. Let me see O Canada...nope..that's as far as I can go. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? I bet if I was a Canadian SP you would sing " Canada" http://www.ariseandwalk.com/news.php?id=39Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A hearty Amen to the statement and, the originator of it (Oswald Chambers). - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? "Have you received a ministry from the Lord? If so, you must be faithful to it - to consider your life valuable only for the purpose of fulfilling that ministry. ...To do this we must have close fellowship with Jesus and must know Him as more than our personal Savior. And we must be willing to experience the full impact of, - 'I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake.' ...He is not offering us a choice of how we can serve Him; He is asking for absolute loyalty to His commission" Oswald Chambers 'My Utmost For His Highest' Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that
Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?
O a hint about CPP? NON ANSWER? compared to your total avoidance until this GREAT MOMENT in TT History? CMON Again, perhaps I was not clear I just thought it was obvious on the face of it besides the scripture are of GREAT PLAINESS Where & in what way did I practice what you preach NON ANSWER? Your mischaracterization is surely not a good tatic on your part if you really want others to weigh in on the question as you claim!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I read it slow. As you did not answer, I then assumed that such was not true of you. Sorta like CPP/WMD! Based on your non-answer I'd still assume that they don't ALL reflect your experience.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:15 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?Read the verse real slow And these signs shall follow them that believe What is so difficult about plainess of speech?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for this, Kevin. I can almost understand you. Have you ever been bitten by a venemous snake? Did you seek medical assistance? If you haven't then, were such to occur, would you seek medical attention? More specifically Kevin, are those 'snake handlers' testing God or following his word? Can one claim to have been baptised in the Spirit without speaking in tongues. Is tongues the evidence?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 05:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?Hey man it is a sign of God and obviously if one claims to have these sign gifts THIS IS THE REAL MCCOY Hey ALL WILL BELIEVE if you display These gifts Another BIGGIE is drinking poison MK16 And if one has the gifts they NEED to have these too Hey if it was good enough for Paul it should be good for you. Like our Mormon friends who are wells without water who fiegn the gift of healing I have yet to meet a one who fiegns the other two! MK 16 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Got gifts? If you have them, you "SHALL" have ALL Three Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. Maybe this is why someone tried to eliminate the ending of MK 16? Easy to fake one not easy to fake the other two. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't mind funnin' even at my expense. Why would I as I've done so often, often myself. However, shall I ask of you, Iz, whether you believe the Appalachian snake handlers to be testing God or, obeying His Word? I note that upon raising an actual matter (HS & tongues) everyone fled to the hills. We all know that none of you has access, through the Word of God, to THE understanding on ALL issues. Does anyone of you brash souls wish to differ on this point? As our beloved moderator has said ...Hm...what has he actually said in the last 24 hours consistent with a week ago? Any takers? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? I guess Paul went overboard, too, when he shook that snake off his hand and didnt get sick. Such a literal guy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:28 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? That was an reference to the 'Appalachian snake handlers'. Thus, those who've gone a touch overboard on literalism. Look in the mirror folks. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn
Do you need a tape?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF he (BH) did say that then, he is. I'd like to hear from DM on this one. He has come to Hinn's defence often.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinnhttp://www.cultlink.com/ar/hinnfalse.htm benny is a False prophet in 1989 at Orlando Christian Center he prohesied: "The Lord also tells me to tell you in mid 90s -- about '94 or '95, no later than that -- God will destroy the homosexual community of America . . . He will destroy it with fire." "The Spirit of God tells me -- an earthquake will hit the East Coast of America and destroy much in the 90s." "The Spirit tells me -- Fidel Castro will die in the 90s. . . Holy Spirit just said to me, it'll be worse than any death you can imagine." __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn
Actually I don't. I've heard him say some pretty wierd 'inspired' stuff'. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn Do you need a tape?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF he (BH) did say that then, he is. I'd like to hear from DM on this one. He has come to Hinn's defence often. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn http://www.cultlink.com/ar/hinnfalse.htm benny is a False prophet in 1989 at Orlando Christian Center he prohesied: "The Lord also tells me to tell you in mid 90s -- about '94 or '95, no later than that -- God will destroy the homosexual community of America . . . He will destroy it with fire." "The Spirit of God tells me -- an earthquake will hit the East Coast of America and destroy much in the 90s." "The Spirit tells me -- Fidel Castro will die in the 90s. . . Holy Spirit just said to me, it'll be worse than any death you can imagine." __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn
Just another snake handler and again the proof is in the pudding! he who has ears http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/tbn.htmLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF he (BH) did say that then, he is. I'd like to hear from DM on this one. He has come to Hinn's defence often.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinnhttp://www.cultlink.com/ar/hinnfalse.htm benny is a False prophet in 1989 at Orlando Christian Center he prohesied: "The Lord also tells me to tell you in mid 90s -- about '94 or '95, no later than that -- God will destroy the homosexual community of America . . . He will destroy it with fire." "The Spirit of God tells me -- an earthquake will hit the East Coast of America and destroy much in the 90s." "The Spirit tells me -- Fidel Castro will die in the 90s. . . Holy Spirit just said to me, it'll be worse than any death you can imagine." __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?
Ya gots me. C'mon who doesn't love the arms trade? Is it not a sensible way of 'culling'? Now, if only we could get the deer in New York to shoot one another. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:54 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? O a hint about CPP? NON ANSWER? compared to your total avoidance until this GREAT MOMENT in TT History? CMON Again, perhaps I was not clear I just thought it was obvious on the face of it besides the scripture are of GREAT PLAINESS Where & in what way did I practice what you preach NON ANSWER? Your mischaracterization is surely not a good tatic on your part if you really want others to weigh in on the question as you claim!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I read it slow. As you did not answer, I then assumed that such was not true of you. Sorta like CPP/WMD! Based on your non-answer I'd still assume that they don't ALL reflect your experience. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:15 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? Read the verse real slow And these signs shall follow them that believe What is so difficult about plainess of speech?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for this, Kevin. I can almost understand you. Have you ever been bitten by a venemous snake? Did you seek medical assistance? If you haven't then, were such to occur, would you seek medical attention? More specifically Kevin, are those 'snake handlers' testing God or following his word? Can one claim to have been baptised in the Spirit without speaking in tongues. Is tongues the evidence? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 05:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? Hey man it is a sign of God and obviously if one claims to have these sign gifts THIS IS THE REAL MCCOY Hey ALL WILL BELIEVE if you display These gifts Another BIGGIE is drinking poison MK16 And if one has the gifts they NEED to have these too Hey if it was good enough for Paul it should be good for you. Like our Mormon friends who are wells without water who fiegn the gift of healing I have yet to meet a one who fiegns the other two! MK 16 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Got gifts? If you have them, you "SHALL" have ALL Three Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. Maybe this is why someone tried to eliminate the ending of MK 16? Easy to fake one not easy to fake the other two. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't mind funnin' even at my expense. Why would I as I've done so often, often myself. However, shall I ask of you, Iz, whether you believe the Appalachian snake handlers to be testing God or, obeying His Word? I note that upon raising an actual matter (HS & tongues) everyone fled to the hills. We all know that none of you has access, through the Word of God, to THE understanding on ALL issues. Does anyone of you brash souls wish to differ on this point? As our beloved moderator has said ...Hm...what has he actually said in the last 24 hours consistent with a week ago? Any takers? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? I guess Paul went overboard, too, when he shook that snake off his hand and didnt get sick. Such a literal guy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent:
Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn
Who, pray tell, is the 'other snake handler'? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:58 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn Just another snake handler and again the proof is in the pudding! he who has ears http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/tbn.htmLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF he (BH) did say that then, he is. I'd like to hear from DM on this one. He has come to Hinn's defence often. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn http://www.cultlink.com/ar/hinnfalse.htm benny is a False prophet in 1989 at Orlando Christian Center he prohesied: "The Lord also tells me to tell you in mid 90s -- about '94 or '95, no later than that -- God will destroy the homosexual community of America . . . He will destroy it with fire." "The Spirit of God tells me -- an earthquake will hit the East Coast of America and destroy much in the 90s." "The Spirit tells me -- Fidel Castro will die in the 90s. . . Holy Spirit just said to me, it'll be worse than any death you can imagine." __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ya gots me. C'mon who doesn't love the arms trade? Is it not a sensible way of 'culling'? Now, if only we could get the deer in New York to shoot one another.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:54 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?O a hint about CPP? NON ANSWER? compared to your total avoidance until this GREAT MOMENT in TT History? CMON Again, perhaps I was not clear I just thought it was obvious on the face of it besides the scripture are of GREAT PLAINESS Where & in what way did I practice what you preach NON ANSWER? Your mischaracterization is surely not a good tatic on your part if you really want others to weigh in on the question as you claim!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I read it slow. As you did not answer, I then assumed that such was not true of you. Sorta like CPP/WMD! Based on your non-answer I'd still assume that they don't ALL reflect your experience.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:15 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?Read the verse real slow And these signs shall follow them that believe What is so difficult about plainess of speech?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for this, Kevin. I can almost understand you. Have you ever been bitten by a venemous snake? Did you seek medical assistance? If you haven't then, were such to occur, would you seek medical attention? More specifically Kevin, are those 'snake handlers' testing God or following his word? Can one claim to have been baptised in the Spirit without speaking in tongues. Is tongues the evidence?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 05:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?Hey man it is a sign of God and obviously if one claims to have these sign gifts THIS IS THE REAL MCCOY Hey ALL WILL BELIEVE if you display These gifts Another BIGGIE is drinking poison MK16 And if one has the gifts they NEED to have these too Hey if it was good enough for Paul it should be good for you. Like our Mormon friends who are wells without water who fiegn the gift of healing I have yet to meet a one who fiegns the other two! MK 16 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Got gifts? If you have them, you "SHALL" have ALL Three Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. Maybe this is why someone tried to eliminate the ending of MK 16? Easy to fake one not easy to fake the other two. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't mind funnin' even at my expense. Why would I as I've done so often, often myself. However, shall I ask of you, Iz, whether you believe the Appalachian snake handlers to be testing God or, obeying His Word? I note that upon raising an actual matter (HS & tongues) everyone fled to the hills. We all know that none of you has access, through the Word of God, to THE understanding on ALL issues. Does anyone of you brash souls wish to differ on this point? As our beloved moderator has said ...Hm...what has he actually said in the last 24 hours consistent with a week ago? Any takers? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? I guess Paul went overboard, too, when he shook that snake off his hand and didnt get sick. Such a literal guy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:28 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? That was an reference to the 'Appalachian snake handlers'. Thus, those who've gone a touch overboard on literalism. Look in the mirror folks. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn
THE other? "another" see dictionary for distinction or do you want more names? Gordon B Hinckley Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Who, pray tell, is the 'other snake handler'?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:58 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of HinnJust another snake handler and again the proof is in the pudding! he who has ears http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/tbn.htmLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF he (BH) did say that then, he is. I'd like to hear from DM on this one. He has come to Hinn's defence often.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinnhttp://www.cultlink.com/ar/hinnfalse.htm benny is a False prophet in 1989 at Orlando Christian Center he prohesied: "The Lord also tells me to tell you in mid 90s -- about '94 or '95, no later than that -- God will destroy the homosexual community of America . . . He will destroy it with fire." "The Spirit of God tells me -- an earthquake will hit the East Coast of America and destroy much in the 90s." "The Spirit tells me -- Fidel Castro will die in the 90s. . . Holy Spirit just said to me, it'll be worse than any death you can imagine." __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn
I agree with you once again. (another agreement) PS:DH:Would you concur that should your 'prophet', in reality, NOT be a prophet of God then, he must be designated 'a false prophet'? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 07:19 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn THE other? "another" see dictionary for distinction or do you want more names? Gordon B Hinckley Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Who, pray tell, is the 'other snake handler'? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:58 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn Just another snake handler and again the proof is in the pudding! he who has ears http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/tbn.htmLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF he (BH) did say that then, he is. I'd like to hear from DM on this one. He has come to Hinn's defence often. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn http://www.cultlink.com/ar/hinnfalse.htm benny is a False prophet in 1989 at Orlando Christian Center he prohesied: "The Lord also tells me to tell you in mid 90s -- about '94 or '95, no later than that -- God will destroy the homosexual community of America . . . He will destroy it with fire." "The Spirit of God tells me -- an earthquake will hit the East Coast of America and destroy much in the 90s." "The Spirit tells me -- Fidel Castro will die in the 90s. . . Holy Spirit just said to me, it'll be worse than any death you can imagine." __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Lance you talk like they are holding a "doctrinal seminar" out there. Their message is "Repent or Perish" which are the only options in my Bible. What do you think they should be saying "God has a wonderful plan for your life .. his son was incarnated into the womb of his mother so that you can come to the mother church and everyone can just go go on to glory together because he loves you so much that your old stinkin flesh won't matter one bit because it has been subsumed?" (or whatever the word is that you and Bill use) On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:22:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom atta
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Some of that which you said sounds OK, Judy. Look, if they want to present themselves as 'sandwich board ppl' ssup to them. Some SEE THEMSELVES as 'fools for Christ' while some are seen as just...well you know.. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 08:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Lance you talk like they are holding a "doctrinal seminar" out there. Their message is "Repent or Perish" which are the only options in my Bible. What do you think they should be saying "God has a wonderful plan for your life .. his son was incarnated into the womb of his mother so that you can come to the mother church and everyone can just go go on to glory together because he loves you so much that your old stinkin flesh won't matter one bit because it has been subsumed?" (or whatever the word is that you and Bill use) On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:22:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate
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Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I ca
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Can you describe what you call "being teachable" looks like for us Lance? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:33:12 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There is a rather large distinction between agreeing with you Kevin, and being teachable. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Your not teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to
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It is not necessary, Judy. DM, BT, JS, Caroline, Debbie & Slade have all attempted to do so, unsuccessfully. I perceive each to be superior to me so.. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 08:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Can you describe what you call "being teachable" looks like for us Lance? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:33:12 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There is a rather large distinction between agreeing with you Kevin, and being teachable. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Your not teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspecti
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How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 08:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to
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The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return
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Mayhap thou misseth the point, Judy? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 08:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to
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The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm
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Explain the point to me then Lance How can one's mind be renewed in God's Word and continue to have a "democratic frame" to it when Jesus never had a "democratic" bone in his body? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:53:03 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mayhap thou misseth the point, Judy? From: Judy Taylor The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To m
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I believe GWB to be sincere also. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 09:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By
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What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to u
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This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 09:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message --
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What's this "stream of consciousness" business... don't you think before you speak Lance? I'm all for "freedom of speech" - for instance you are free to disagree and state that "badmouthing GWB is a sign of intellectualism or intelligence" if you want. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:06:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) From: Judy Taylor What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus
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Can you do this Lance? Are you saying that Dean is called to be a teacher to the body of Christ? Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without difficulty for either yourself or any believer? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:30:14 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean. Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg, may I ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without difficulty for either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please demonstrate. If no then, qualify your statement (what you say) in line with what you can actually do. From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I interpret it. How I read the words that are spoken-We all do speak English right? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Nothing of the kind, Judy. I only wish for it to be legitimate in a democratic society. Apparently, you do not. I actually understand this kind of thinking. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 10:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? What's this "stream of consciousness" business... don't you think before you speak Lance? I'm all for "freedom of speech" - for instance you are free to disagree and state that "badmouthing GWB is a sign of intellectualism or intelligence" if you want. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:06:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) From: Judy Taylor What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
I'm contrasting the two, Judy. Yes, I can but, not well. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 10:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Can you do this Lance? Are you saying that Dean is called to be a teacher to the body of Christ? Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without difficulty for either yourself or any believer? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:30:14 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean. Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg, may I ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without difficulty for either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please demonstrate. If no then, qualify your statement (what you say) in line with what you can actually do. From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I interpret it. How I read the words that are spoken-We all do speak English right? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Are you saying that his decisions are illegitimate just because some ppl disagree with them Lance? As per your second point. No you don't understanding my kind of thinking at all; this is obvious by your responses to same. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:22:55 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Nothing of the kind, Judy. I only wish for it to be legitimate in a democratic society. Apparently, you do not. I actually understand this kind of thinking. From: Judy Taylor What's this "stream of consciousness" business... don't you think before you speak Lance? I'm all for "freedom of speech" - for instance you are free to disagree and state that "badmouthing GWB is a sign of intellectualism or intelligence" if you want. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:06:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) From: Judy Taylor What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badm
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
1. No. 2. I do. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 12:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Are you saying that his decisions are illegitimate just because some ppl disagree with them Lance? As per your second point. No you don't understanding my kind of thinking at all; this is obvious by your responses to same. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:22:55 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Nothing of the kind, Judy. I only wish for it to be legitimate in a democratic society. Apparently, you do not. I actually understand this kind of thinking. From: Judy Taylor What's this "stream of consciousness" business... don't you think before you speak Lance? I'm all for "freedom of speech" - for instance you are free to disagree and state that "badmouthing GWB is a sign of intellectualism or intelligence" if you want. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:06:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) From: Judy Taylor What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Isn't it just folly to judge motives? AND Aren't you just trying to elevate your crowd at the expense of my crowd? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some of that which you said sounds OK, Judy. Look, if they want to present themselves as 'sandwich board ppl' ssup to them. Some SEE THEMSELVES as 'fools for Christ' while some are seen as just...well you know.. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 08:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Lance you talk like they are holding a "doctrinal seminar" out there. Their message is "Repent or Perish" which are the only options in my Bible. What do you think they should be saying "God has a wonderful plan for your life .. his son was incarnated into the womb of his mother so that you can come to the mother church and everyone can just go go on to glory together because he loves you so much that your old stinkin flesh won't matter one bit because it has been subsumed?" (or whatever the word is that you and Bill use) On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:22:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of t
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
1. If they are not illegitimate why do you badmouth him as much as you do? 2. One of us is a liar - and since IYO noone can know truth anyway - which one is it? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:18:04 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 1. No. 2. I do. From: Judy Taylor Are you saying that his decisions are illegitimate just because some ppl disagree with them Lance? As per your second point. No you don't understanding my kind of thinking at all; this is obvious by your responses to same. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:22:55 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Nothing of the kind, Judy. I only wish for it to be legitimate in a democratic society. Apparently, you do not. I actually understand this kind of thinking. From: Judy Taylor What's this "stream of consciousness" business... don't you think before you speak Lance? I'm all for "freedom of speech" - for instance you are free to disagree and state that "badmouthing GWB is a sign of intellectualism or intelligence" if you want. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:06:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) From: Judy Taylor What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to G
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Don't blame Lance it's U NO WHO's fault!Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:I believe GWB to be sincere also.From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind?From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a meas
RE: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?
Yes, I think the snake handlers are testing God and are out of line. I don’t understand what you want to know about speaking in tongues. Do I? Yes. Do I think those who don’t aren’t saved? No. Any other question? Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:00 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? I don't mind funnin' even at my expense. Why would I as I've done so often, often myself. However, shall I ask of you, Iz, whether you believe the Appalachian snake handlers to be testing God or, obeying His Word? I note that upon raising an actual matter (HS & tongues) everyone fled to the hills. We all know that none of you has access, through the Word of God, to THE understanding on ALL issues. Does anyone of you brash souls wish to differ on this point? As our beloved moderator has said ...Hm...what has he actually said in the last 24 hours consistent with a week ago? Any takers? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? I guess Paul went overboard, too, when he shook that snake off his hand and didn’t get sick. Such a literal guy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:28 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'? That was an reference to the 'Appalachian snake handlers'. Thus, those who've gone a touch overboard on literalism. Look in the mirror folks.
RE: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel.
I would say that no one’s work is 100% perfect when it comes to honoring the Lord. Everyone is on a continuum including those you have mentioned. When I read Lamott I laugh out loud (especially what she wrote about her in a swimsuit!) and some of what she writes really touches me, but I often wonder if she really is saved. I know she has a whole lot of growing in godliness to do; still has a huge issue with rebellion. But I think she is a baby Believer. She, IMO, is on the outer fringes of those you mentioned—not in the same league. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:02 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel. JRRT, CSL, John Updike, Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, Lamott...Care to comment as to whether their's was a or b? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel. And me. I use my imagination whenever I create a new design for a quilt, for example. Or decorate my home. Or write. Or make a collage (I’m creating one around Romans 8.) Don’t confuse a godly imagination with a worldly/fleshly one. (God used His when He created the Universe.) Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:47 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel. John Lennon and three year olds On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 06:39:56 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Imagination anyone? From: Judy Taylor Hey Kevin, this is excellent - one question - is there room for "original thoughts?" On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:24:10 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There is no room for broadmindedness in the chemical laboratory. Water is composed of two parts, hydrogen and one part oxygen. The slightest deviation from the formula is forbidden. There is no room for broadmindedness in music. The skilled director will not permit his first violin to play even so much as one-half note off the written note, chord, and key. There is no room for broadmindedness in the mathematics classroom. Neither geometry, calculus, nor trigonometry allows any variation from exact accuracy, even for old time's sake. The solution of the problem is either right or it is wrong (no tolerance there). There is no room for broadmindedness on the athletic field. The game is to be played according to the rules with no favors shown for 'charity's sake.' There is no room for broadmindedness in the garage. The mechanic there says the piston rings must fit the cylinder walls within one-thousandth part of an inch. Even between friends there cannot be any variation if 'the motor is to run smoothly.' How then shall we expect that broadmindedness shall rule in the realm of Christianity and morals? He that forsakes the truth of God, forsakes the God of truth. Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: TRUTH IS Jesus Christ. He is the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:34:18 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..praise the God of Abe, Isaac, and Jacob, eh, C :) ? On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:27:40 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (2+2 is 4, the Earth revolves around the Sun, gravity dictates the ebb & flow of Earth's oceanic tides, 'truth came through Jesus Christ') On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:38:14 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 12:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel. Jesus said "Thy Word is truth", not part of the truth. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:23:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. cd: But Lance you said that it was fair earlier to moderate using those principles-and even earlier that that you said that you were glad I was moderator-now only hatred exists? What happened? Pope is a little much-How about Bishop Moderator-or better yet Moderator Bishop-nay.. still doesn't work..O' well we can keep trying ?The lost comments are correct Lance-This is not meant to be mean to you but to help you understand-One cannot refuse as much of the Bible as you do and be one of God's-it doesn't work that way Lance-I would much rather say this now and get you to understand the principle behind my words than to be there when God say's "depart from me". At that time it will then be too late-I fear that will happen to you. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesita tion provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:33:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? How can that (my interpretation implies Dean) be wrong? cd: Because your interpretation disallows large sections of the Bible Lance that are included in my understanding. Where does one go from here? Your honor, my client pleads insanity. cd: That's it Judge Moore-Thank you Lance.Kinda reminds me of the Sylvester Stallion movie" Judge Dredd" or something like that. Hence forth that's what it will be-"Judge Moore" at your service:-) - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 18:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 6:04:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Follow your conscience, Dean. Sometimes your conscience is directed by God but, sometimes cd: I do not preach another conscience Lance-I preach the written word of God -from the Bible itself-again words have meaning and it is written in English .How can that be wrong? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 20:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd: Is speaking of the greatness if Christ "objective" to you Lance? That is what I we do. Would you like to come and hear me speak-or Kevin? He is Just across the falls and I will meet you there? We only encourage others to come to Jesus-why are we wrong to do so? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/6/2006 12:23:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Me too, Dave. When TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by 'acting out') these persons occasionally do seem surprised. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 10:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: OK Dean, I understand your sensitivity to such and will respond without using the words you find objectionable. I would like to continue to discuss this, as I find it interesting to see how SPers think. I am curious as to why one would still show up on somebody's doorstep when an objectionable topic is mentioned rather than discuss it with them via the phone or email? What is to be accomplished by a personal visit? Most folks would understand such a visit to be a physical threat, even though it could be claimed that the offended has a constitutional right to confront the offender. The reason I ask this is because it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they are physically attacked when confronting sinners on the streets. Yet they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in the mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does it give SPers confidence if they are persecuted for the Lord's sake ? I suppose an argument can be made that if one dies while in the service of the Lord, it would be a feather in the cap of the persecuted while at the same time driving the persecutor even deeper into hell. To me that seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer (or guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a catalyst in this scenario. IOWIs a SPer guilty of promoting a problem when he uses his constitutionally guaranteed free speech to aggravate a situation that can and will likely turn to violence?Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: Wouldn't have to show up in Portland DaveH-all I would have to do is click a button and my problem is solved and that is exactly what I going to do the next time you use the words-** in the combination that you used them below. Discussion over-warning given! - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, from what you said previously about the oneness of husband and wife, if I were to ask you about ,, you would take that as a personal attack on ** and would then presume it to be a personal attack on you as well, and then proceed to come to Portland and show up on my doorstep.is that correct? Wouldn't it be smarter just to say the same thing to me via email or a phone call, rather than show up on my doorstep? What would be accomplished by coming to Portland? If I were then to assume you are on my doorstep for a reason other than an amicable discussion, and felt my life was being threatened by your presence on my doorstep, I would probably not answer the door. Wouldn't that just frustrate your reason for going to all that effort, cost, time and travel in an effort to come to my doorstep? Would you proceed to pound on my doo r expecting me to open it? If I did not respond to your poundin
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Being teachable is a state of heart. A lack of pride. A humility. A brokenness. Eagerness to repent. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:27 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? It is not necessary, Judy. DM, BT, JS, Caroline, Debbie & Slade have all attempted to do so, unsuccessfully. I perceive each to be superior to me so.. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 08:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Can you describe what you call "being teachable" looks like for us Lance? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:33:12 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There is a rather large distinction between agreeing with you Kevin, and being teachable. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Your not teachable Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical. So what is you better idea? DAVEH: Practice what you preach. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot. DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest. you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling on with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time. DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:34:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean. Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg, may I ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without difficulty for either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please demonstrate. If no then, qualify your statement (what you say) in line with what you can actually do. cd: Sure Chapter are we speaking of? Fire away. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 18:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I interpret it. How I read the words that are spoken-We all do speak English right? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Lance, showing one’s ignorance is not only legitimate but is an art in democracy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:23 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Nothing of the kind, Judy. I only wish for it to be legitimate in a democratic society. Apparently, you do not. I actually understand this kind of thinking. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 10:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? What's this "stream of consciousness" business... don't you think before you speak Lance? I'm all for "freedom of speech" - for instance you are free to disagree and state that "badmouthing GWB is a sign of intellectualism or intelligence" if you want. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:06:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) From: Judy Taylor What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03
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cd: Ouch:-) Hey I have that picture in mutli's-The High Priest that Ruben hung out (what was his name?)with gave us copies to tear up in from of the Temple-but we didn't do so. Kevin I guess I will Get DavH off you back for a while as soon as David shows of-or better yet I might as well get stated on that:-)So I will be busy for a while-Group Please keep off the Ad. Hom. grass so I can give the "Provoker" some attention. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 7:20:00 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn THE other? "another" see dictionary for distinction or do you want more names? Gordon B Hinckley Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Who, pray tell, is the 'other snake handler'? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:58 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn Just another snake handler and again the proof is in the pudding! he who has ears http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/tbn.htmLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF he (BH) did say that then, he is. I'd like to hear from DM on this one. He has come to Hinn's defence often. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn http://www.cultlink.com/ar/hinnfalse.htm benny is a False prophet in 1989 at Orlando Christian Center he prohesied: "The Lord also tells me to tell you in mid 90s -- about '94 or '95, no later than that -- God will destroy the homosexual community of America . . . He will destroy it with fire." "The Spirit of God tells me -- an earthquake will hit the East Coast of America and destroy much in the 90s." "The Spirit tells me -- Fidel Castro will die in the 90s. . . Holy Spirit just said to me, it'll be worse than any death you can imagine." __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 8:12:14 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Some of that which you said sounds OK, Judy. Look, if they want to present themselves as 'sandwich board ppl' ssup to them. Some SEE THEMSELVES as 'fools for Christ' while some are seen as just...well you know.. cd: Just another conformation that you need what you think you already have Lance? 1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And what is wrong with Sandwich signs: <>
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Somehow ppl think you are a serious fanatic if you wear a sandwich board!Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 8:12:14 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of that which you said sounds OK, Judy. Look, if they want to present themselves as 'sandwich board ppl' ssup to them. Some SEE THEMSELVES as 'fools for Christ' while some are seen as just...well you know.. cd: Just another conformation that you need what you think you already have Lance?1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And what is wrong with Sandwich signs: Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 2:04:08 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical. cd: You claimed it to be false I do not-but if I remember correctly you stated at that time that you understood why I was having difficultly finding the posting in the archives because you also tried the search to no avail-Has that you made statement changed?Maybe the owner of TTwould stop being so cheap and get us a better search engine-with word search?So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach. cd: When have I done otherwise? Posting please?By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! cd: Yes the fair chance everyone else has who is moderator-I noticed you have never been asked-seems your fairness is the one in question here not mine?Also sound like a jealously issue on your part-Be honest-get a mirror and tell me if your face is red-even now? When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest. cd: The Ad. Hom rule does exist I am only pin pointing it's preamters.If I applied the rules as it is stared I would have to put almost everyone off this site-starting with you-So I am trying to keep you and your friends on this site and still apply the rule that I must apply to do my job? Do You Have Any Helpful Idea's?you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. cd: That is because you lack understanding in the gospel Dave-that you refuse to accept.It is a tool used to create conformity to God's will as stated in the King James Bible. ;-) Kevin. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. cd: Maybe you do not accept the idea that they are not always trying to sell something-In the underware situation they are holding up a part used for false teaching and declaring it to be such-as a warning from God for repentance. The more you complain about this and use it against the believers the deeper you are getting into offending God Dave-receive the Bible/repent of the underware thingy and Mormonism and all will be well-If you have worn them more than 3/4 hours you have defiled them with human waste anyway (1/2 hours if you are an old man). Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling on cd: You are right you do not make much sense Dave: Isa 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? cd: John is back on now Dave.
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- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 2:17:54 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***Respose - ModeratorcommentADHOM* Dave why are you trying to fuel dissection between the groups?DAVEH: Hwell, I hadn't thought about dissecting you guys, but it is a tempting thought you've given me! ;-) cd: Hey, but fair Dave? You try monitoring 150 odd posting and then spell discretion?Is it the Mormon in you doing such-or are you just plain mean?DAVEH: LOL..Sometimes I think SPers are their own worst enemy! You have the power to push the button that bars me from TT, Dean. If you do such, I don't think your problems will all go with me. I've been called a pagan here, a snake in the grass, satan's messenger boyand I've been falsely accused of condoning violence against SPers. So let me ask you, Dean..Is it the Christian in you doing such-or are you just plain mean? cd: O BIG SLIP UP DAVE-You just acknowledged that Mormons are not Christians for the first time-That means you were lying all the other times you made the claim to be a Christian-So I say/demand again " Get the "Church of Jesus Christ" name off your temple Pagan!!!" BTW prove to me that your were called-"A snake in the grass" and "satans messenger boy-I suspect you may be right about the word"Pagan".Dean Moore wrote: cd:Dave why are you trying to fuel dissection between the groups??Is it the Mormon in you doing such-or are you just plain mean?.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 6:59:22 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Somehow ppl think you are a serious fanatic if you wear a sandwich board! cd:I wonder where they ever got that idea? Have you been wearing one?;-) I'm on a roll:-)Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 8:12:14 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Some of that which you said sounds OK, Judy. Look, if they want to present themselves as 'sandwich board ppl' ssup to them. Some SEE THEMSELVES as 'fools for Christ' while some are seen as just...well you know.. cd: Just another conformation that you need what you think you already have Lance? 1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And what is wrong with Sandwich signs: Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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Just make sure you are on THE roll up yonder!Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 6:59:22 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Somehow ppl think you are a serious fanatic if you wear a sandwich board! cd:I wonder where they ever got that idea? Have you been wearing one?;-) I'm on a roll:-)Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 8:12:14 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of that which you said sounds OK, Judy. Look, if they want to present themselves as 'sandwich board ppl' ssup to them. Some SEE THEMSELVES as 'fools for Christ' while some are seen as just...well you know.. cd: Just another conformation that you need what you think you already have Lance?1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And what is wrong with Sandwich signs: Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel.
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:15:07 -0500 as "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes about this topic, so might g , e.g.: ..I've been reluctant to write anything personal at all..[to those who] .. mock persons [mesmerized by Mother Mary's Mercy-Man managing moment by moment the quintessential demystifying of morality-based (faith-less) merchandising of middel class mammon merged mindlessly mainly with merciless megalomyopiate mostly memorized 'merican mythology] ||
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You & Lance can attack all you want. God says and eternity will reveal the wisdom of winning souls! Pr 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. 1 co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. JN 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 2 Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:23:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. cd: But Lance you said that it was fair earlier to moderate using those principles-and even earlier that that you said that you were glad I was moderator-now only hatred exists? What happened? Pope is a little much-How about Bishop Moderator-or better yet Moderator Bishop-nay.. still doesn't work..O' well we can keep trying ?The lost comments are correct Lance-This is not meant to be mean to you but to help you understand-One cannot refuse as much of the Bible as you do and be one of God's-it doesn't work that way Lance-I would much rather say this now and get you to understand the principle behind my words than to be there when God say's "depart from me". At that time it will then be too late-I fear that will happen to you.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others.. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesita tion provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason
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Mainly gibberish with an M[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:15:07 -0500 as "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes about this topic, so might g , e.g..:..I've been reluctant to write anything personal at all..[to those who] .. mock persons [mesmerized by Mother Mary's Mercy-Man managing moment by moment the quintessential demystifying of morality-based (faith-less) merchandising of middel class mammon merged mindlessly mainly with merciless megalomyopiate mostly memorized 'merican mythology] || Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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forgive me--it's actually spelt 'middle' On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:19:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mainly gibberish with an M[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:15:07 -0500 as "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes about this topic, so might g , e.g..: ..I've been reluctant to write anything personal at all..[to those who] .. mock persons [mesmerized by Mother Mary's Mercy-Man managing moment by moment the quintessential demystifying of morality-based (faith-less) merchandising of middel class mammon merged mindlessly mainly with merciless megalomyopiate mostly memorized 'merican mythology] || Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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"Well they'll choose a man for you to meet tonightYou'll play the fool and learn how to walk through doorsHow to enter into the gates of paradiseNo, how to carry a burden too heavy to be yoursYeah, from the stage they'll be tryin' to get water outta rocksA whore will pass the hat, collect a hundred grand and say thanksThey like to take all this money from sin, build big universities to study inSing "Amazing Grace" all the way to the Swiss banks.. Yes, I guess I love..him tooI can still see him in my mind climbin' that hillDid he make it to the top, well he probably did and droppedStruck down by the strength of the willAin't nothin' left here partner, just the dust of a plague that has left this whole town afraidFrom now on, this'll be where you're fromLet the dead bury the dead. Your time will comeLet hot iron blow as he raised the shade ..there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come downAin't no goin' back"B Dylan, Copyright © 1983 Special Rider Music On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:36:21 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: forgive me--it's actually spelt 'middle' On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:19:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mainly gibberish with an M[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:15:07 -0500 as "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes about this topic, so might g , e.g..: ..I've been reluctant to write anything personal at all..[to those who] .. mock persons [mesmerized by Mother Mary's Mercy-Man managing moment by moment the quintessential demystifying of morality-based (faith-less) merchandising of middel class mammon merged mindlessly mainly with merciless megalomyopiate mostly memorized 'merican mythology] || Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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Mumbo jumbo. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:20 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel. Mainly gibberish with an M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:15:07 -0500 as "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes about this topic, so might g , e.g...: ..I've been reluctant to write anything personal at all..[to those who] .. mock persons [mesmerized by Mother Mary's Mercy-Man managing moment by moment the quintessential demystifying of morality-based (faith-less) merchandising of middel class mammon merged mindlessly mainly with merciless megalomyopiate mostly memorized 'merican mythology] || Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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enlighten the matron of the shields family to what yer g word iz, Bro On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:20:44 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mumbo jumbo. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:20 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel. Mainly gibberish with an M||
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..who put the g in gibberish? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:31:13 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: enlighten the matron of the shields family to what yer g word iz, Bro On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:20:44 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mumbo jumbo. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:20 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel. Mainly gibberish with an M||
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..in originality? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:16:16 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..who put the g in gibberish? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:31:13 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: enlighten the matron of the shields family to what yer g word iz, Bro On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:20:44 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mumbo jumbo. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:20 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel. Mainly gibberish with an M||
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..i bet the matron of the shields family prefers j to g; like the j in jumbo is much more palatable than the g in gumbo (ever heard of mumbo gumbo, Bro? :) On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:23:44 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in originality? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:16:16 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..who put the g in gibberish? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:31:13 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: enlighten the matron of the shields family to what yer g word iz, Bro On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:20:44 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mumbo jumbo. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:20 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel. Mainly gibberish with an M||
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..you realize the matron sf's morality is much more mated to j-dams than g-dams, Bro--she's known t'be Xtremely kNowledgable about the sensitivities & nuances of our newcuular nomenclature On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:29:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..i bet the matron of the shields family prefers j to g; like the j in jumbo is much more palatable than the g in gumbo (ever heard of mumbo gumbo, Bro? :) On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:23:44 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in originality? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:16:16 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..who put the g in gibberish? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:31:13 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: enlighten the matron of the shields family to what yer g word iz, Bro On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:20:44 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mumbo jumbo. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:20 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] An Offensive Gospel. Mainly gibberish with an M||
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: I can understand you saying that about Lance, Kevin.but, why did you include Judge Dean in that rant? Kevin Deegan wrote: You & Lance can attack all you want. God says and eternity will reveal the wisdom of winning souls! Pr 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. 1 co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. JN 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 2 Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:23:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. cd: But Lance you said that it was fair earlier to moderate using those principles-and even earlier that that you said that you were glad I was moderator-now only hatred exists? What happened? Pope is a little much-How about Bishop Moderator-or better yet Moderator Bishop-nay.. still doesn't work..O' well we can keep trying ?The lost comments are correct Lance-This is not meant to be mean to you but to help you understand-One cannot refuse as much of the Bible as you do and be one of God's-it doesn't work that way Lance-I would much rather say this now and get you to understand the principle behind my words than to be there when God say's "depart from me". At that time it will then be too late-I fear that will happen to you. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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O BIG SLIP UP DAVE-You just acknowledged that Mormons are not Christians for the first time DAVEH: Have you been sniffing glue lately? Just how did you come to that conclusion, Judge Dean? Despite doing unChristian things such as making false accusations against me, I've never considered that you weren't a Christian, Dean. Just because I acknowledge your Christianity does not diminish mine. H..If that is the way you think, then I can start to understand why you seem to want to deny my Christianity. Faulty logic, IMO. you were lying all the other times you made the claim to be a Christian DAVEH: Are you going to stand by that statement, Judge Dean, or are you willing to retract it with an apology for making a false accusation? I say/demand again " Get the "Church of Jesus Christ" name off your temple Pagan!!! DAVEH: I view this as an blatant ad-hom, Judge Dean. If you want to play loose with the TT ad-hom rule Dean, does that mean you will allow me to say something that will make you feel uncomfortable? Orare you going to rule TT using a double standard, Judge? prove to me that your were called-"A snake in the grass" and "satans messenger boy DAVEH: Huh?!?!?! Why should I have to prove that to you, Judge Dean? I know what was said about me. If you think I am going to search archive for you -you are mistaken.I don't have the time nor the inclination to do so now-but if you want to prove your innocence then use these keywords-"snake in the grass" and "satans messenger boy"- search a couple of years back should bring results-balls in your court play it or drop it your choice :-) I suspect you may be right about the word"Pagan" DAVEH: O BIG SLIP UP Dean I suspect you reaffirmed it with you below comment.I say/demand again " Get the "Church of Jesus Christ" name off your temple Pagan!!! Now, do you want to apologize for this ad-hom before it becomes an embarrassment Dean? It would be very easy for you to admit making this error and apologize for it before it eats you alive, Judge. Or, do you want to risk being viewed as a hypocritical Christian? Dean Moore wrote: Dave why are you trying to fuel dissection between the groups? DAVEH: Hwell, I hadn't thought about dissecting you guys, but it is a tempting thought you've given me! ;-) cd: Hey, but fair Dave? You try monitoring 150 odd posting and then spell discretion? Is it the Mormon in you doing such-or are you just plain mean? DAVEH: LOL..Sometimes I think SPers are their own worst enemy! You have the power to push the button that bars me from TT, Dean. If you do such, I don't think your problems will all go with me. I've been called a pagan here, a snake in the grass, satan's messenger boyand I've been falsely accused of condoning violence against SPers. So let me ask you, Dean..Is it the Christian in you doing such-or are you just plain mean? cd: O BIG SLIP UP DAVE-You just acknowledged that Mormons are not Christians for the first time-That means you were lying all the other times you made the claim to be a Christian-So I say/demand again " Get the "Church of Jesus Christ" name off your temple Pagan!!!" BTW prove to me that your were called-"A snake in the grass" and "satans messenger boy-I suspect you may be right about the word"Pagan". Dean Moore wrote: cd:Dave why are you trying to fuel dissection between the groups??Is it the Mormon in you doing such-or are you just plain mean?. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.