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That's some really neat stories, Izzy. I'm excited for your family. I hope everything goes well now. Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Children TT’ers, My son, Todd, and his wife, Shirley, have 3 daughters. Gretchen (to be 6 this July 4th), Heidi (just turned 4), and Sofie (just turned 2). When Shirley was pg. with Sofie two years ago (Gretchen was 3 ½) they were all hoping for a boy (weren’t sure what it would be), and talking about a baby boy, etc. Shirley said all of a sudden one day when they were talking like that, Gretchen looked at her seriously and said, “No, Mommy. This baby is going to be a girl. The next one will be a boy.” Now Shirley is pg. again, and this time they asked ultrasound tech to tell them the sex. It’s a boy! J Question: Can a 3 yr old girl have a prophetic gift? (Or did she just have a 50:50 chance, and got it right?) Also, last year they explained the gospel clearly to Gretchen, and she prayed to be born again. Then they said she started asking about their neighbors, one by one, wanting to know if they are saved, too. Todd & Shirley said they weren’t exactly sure whether the neighbors were saved or not. Gretchen then cried and begged until they gave her permission to go to each neighbor’s house, knock on the door, and tell them that Jesus loves them, and they needed to ask Jesus into their hearts. Then she was happy. What a pure heart children have when they are raised in a godly home! Todd & Shirley don’t allow the girls to watch TV, they homeschool, (Gretchen was reading at 4 yrs, now Heidi is reading, too), and they of course are very involved in church and homeschooling groups. Last week they were not able to go on their usual trip with the church group to visit and minister at the local nursing home. Gretchen cried, heartbroken, about it. She just loves going! Please pray for Todd’s whole family, including the new baby boy (due in October). Shirley has had migraine headaches with this pregnancy. Please pray for their protection, and for the Lord to bless, prosper, and use them mightily. Thanks so much. Izzy
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In a message dated 4/10/2004 6:59:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shirley has had migraine headaches with this pregnancy. Please pray for their protection, and for the Lord to bless, prosper, and use them mightily. Thanks so much. I just did and my sweetie and I will continue to do so. Keep us up dated. John
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Actually, Izzy, she had a 50% chance on the getting the first right, and a 50% chance of getting the second right, apart from the first, but only a 25% chance of getting them both right. Isn't math wonderful? However, I think her getting the 25% chance right is just that...pure chance. I know your grandchildren are wonderful, but probably not clairvoyant. :-) Perry From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Children Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:54:41 -0500 TTers, My son, Todd, and his wife, Shirley, have 3 daughters. Gretchen (to be 6 this July 4th), Heidi (just turned 4), and Sofie (just turned 2). When Shirley was pg. with Sofie two years ago (Gretchen was 3 ½) they were all hoping for a boy (werent sure what it would be), and talking about a baby boy, etc. Shirley said all of a sudden one day when they were talking like that, Gretchen looked at her seriously and said, No, Mommy. This baby is going to be a girl. The next one will be a boy. Now Shirley is pg. again, and this time they asked ultrasound tech to tell them the sex. Its a boy! :-) Question: Can a 3 yr old girl have a prophetic gift? (Or did she just have a 50:50 chance, and got it right?) Also, last year they explained the gospel clearly to Gretchen, and she prayed to be born again. Then they said she started asking about their neighbors, one by one, wanting to know if they are saved, too. Todd & Shirley said they werent exactly sure whether the neighbors were saved or not. Gretchen then cried and begged until they gave her permission to go to each neighbors house, knock on the door, and tell them that Jesus loves them, and they needed to ask Jesus into their hearts. Then she was happy. What a pure heart children have when they are raised in a godly home! Todd & Shirley dont allow the girls to watch TV, they homeschool, (Gretchen was reading at 4 yrs, now Heidi is reading, too), and they of course are very involved in church and homeschooling groups. Last week they were not able to go on their usual trip with the church group to visit and minister at the local nursing home. Gretchen cried, heartbroken, about it. She just loves going! Please pray for Todds whole family, including the new baby boy (due in October). Shirley has had migraine headaches with this pregnancy. Please pray for their protection, and for the Lord to bless, prosper, and use them mightily. Thanks so much. Izzy _ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Perry, LOL! I certainly hope Gretchen is not "clairvoyant". However, I like to think that either the Lord spoke through her, or perhaps we are seeing an inkling of a future prophetic ministry. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 7:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christian Children Actually, Izzy, she had a 50% chance on the getting the first right, and a 50% chance of getting the second right, apart from the first, but only a 25% chance of getting them both right. Isn't math wonderful? However, I think her getting the 25% chance right is just that...pure chance. I know your grandchildren are wonderful, but probably not clairvoyant. :-) Perry >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Children >Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:54:41 -0500 > >TTers, > > > >My son, Todd, and his wife, Shirley, have 3 daughters. Gretchen (to be 6 >this July 4th), Heidi (just turned 4), and Sofie (just turned 2). When >Shirley was pg. with Sofie two years ago (Gretchen was 3 ½) they were all >hoping for a boy (werent sure what it would be), and talking about a baby >boy, etc. Shirley said all of a sudden one day when they were talking like >that, Gretchen looked at her seriously and said, No, Mommy. This baby is >going to be a girl. The next one will be a boy. Now Shirley is pg. >again, >and this time they asked ultrasound tech to tell them the sex. Its a boy! >:-) Question: Can a 3 yr old girl have a prophetic gift? (Or did she just >have a 50:50 chance, and got it right?) > > > >Also, last year they explained the gospel clearly to Gretchen, and she >prayed to be born again. Then they said she started asking about their >neighbors, one by one, wanting to know if they are saved, too. Todd & >Shirley said they werent exactly sure whether the neighbors were saved or >not. Gretchen then cried and begged until they gave her permission to go >to >each neighbors house, knock on the door, and tell them that Jesus loves >them, and they needed to ask Jesus into their hearts. Then she was happy. >What a pure heart children have when they are raised in a godly home! > > > >Todd & Shirley dont allow the girls to watch TV, they homeschool, >(Gretchen >was reading at 4 yrs, now Heidi is reading, too), and they of course are >very involved in church and homeschooling groups. Last week they were not >able to go on their usual trip with the church group to visit and minister >at the local nursing home. Gretchen cried, heartbroken, about it. She >just >loves going! Please pray for Todds whole family, including the new baby >boy >(due in October). Shirley has had migraine headaches with this pregnancy. >Please pray for their protection, and for the Lord to bless, prosper, and >use them mightily. Thanks so much. > > > >Izzy > > > _ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little girl prayed that God would let her have identical twin brothers. Her mother was not pregnant, was not planning to be pregnant, and there were not twins in the family. About a year later, the mother gave birth to identical twin boys. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 4/11/2004 8:56:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little girl prayed that God would let her have identical twin brothers. Her mother was not pregnant, was not planning to be pregnant, and there were not twins in the family. About a year later, the mother gave birth to identical twin boys. Perry, what would be the odds on this. John
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- Original Message - From: "Judy Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Children > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little > girl prayed that God would let her have identical twin brothers. > Her mother was not pregnant, was not planning to be pregnant, > and there were not twins in the family. About a year later, the > mother gave birth to identical twin boys. > > jt: Marvin, did/do you believe that this prayer was motivated by > the Spirit of God? Yes. Did your leadership have anything to say about > it? Nothing was ever said. Are you sure this was not divination? It was a child's expectant prayer to God. Nothing more. Nothing less. Nobody made any big deal about it. We all just smiled and were happy for the family about their blessing. > > BTW was that the same Tim Stevenson or are there > two of them? judyt What? Why are you asking me about this unfamiliar name out of the blue? -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Oh. Yes. Somebody with that name claimed to be the author of the piece. I do not know anything about him. But you are welcome to do your own search to find out. I like to know the source of an article. > BTW was that the same Tim Stevenson or are there> two of them? judyt What?Why are you asking me about this unfamiliar name out of the blue? jt: Did I misunderstand or was it you who posted on TT that the "R" piece about the Passion Movie by Mel Gibson was written by one Tim Stevenson? This is the man I am referring to - I found one who is Canadian both religious and politician and also gay. Just wondering if it is the same person. judyt
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The answered prayers of a child are cause to suspect demons? I think not. jt: Of course I can understand everyone being happy for the family but it's important that we understand God's ways because right now the Church is full of divination and nobody seems to know or care Some are closed to anything supernatural and the others are wide open to everything that comes along and looks good.
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Marlin, Here is a lesson for us on discernment when it comes to negative, accusing, evil-speaking, reviling, hateful people: To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled. (Titus 1:15) You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. (Matt 12: 34-36) May God have mercy on the merciless! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 1:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children The answered prayers of a child are cause to suspect demons? I think not.
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In a message dated 4/11/2004 12:37:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Divination and deception are one and the same. Why just assume that demons will not work through a child? Everyone who comes into this world has a fallen Adamic nature and this includes every child. Usually it doesn't take long for it to express itself either. judyt This is absolutely over the top, even for judyt. You must believe in childhood conversion inspite of the fact that not one such example is given in NT scripture. John
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John wrote: > I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little girl prayed > that God would let her have identical twin brothers. Her mother was not > pregnant, was not planning to be pregnant, and there were not twins in the > family. > > About a year later, the mother gave birth to identical twin boys. > Perry, what would be the odds on this. John, the article I read stated about 1 in 26 births are twins (when fertility drugs are not in use), and about 25% of those are identical, which means about 1 in 104 births are identical twins, yielding a probability of about 0.96%. Of course, we would have to figure in the probablility that the mother and father would decide to get pregnant, and it would be even more complicated if they didn't! When I was 11 or 12 we had a family in our town that had 8 children, all pre-school age, all natural born of the same parents. Five years in a row they had: twin boys, a girl, twin boy and girl, a boy, and twin girls. Their name was "Lamb". They had a Volkswagon micobuses to cart their family around in. Perry _ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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What are the odds that God had something specific to do with this story (originally from Terry, I believe)? In a message dated 4/11/2004 6:25:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little girl >prayed > > that God would let her have identical twin brothers. Her mother was not > > pregnant, was not planning to be pregnant, and there were not twins in >the > > family. > > > > About a year later, the mother gave birth to identical twin boys. > > > >Perry, what would be the odds on this. > John, the article I read stated about 1 in 26 births are twins (when fertility drugs are not in use), and about 25% of those are identical, which means about 1 in 104 births are identical twins, yielding a probability of about 0.96%. Of course, we would have to figure in the probablility that the mother and father would decide to get pregnant, and it would be even more complicated if they didn't! When I was 11 or 12 we had a family in our town that had 8 children, all pre-school age, all natural born of the same parents. Five years in a row they had: twin boys, a girl, twin boy and girl, a boy, and twin girls. Their name was "Lamb". They had a Volkswagon micobuses to cart their family around in. Perry
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The family members of those who are called, children and spouses, are sanctified by the believing family member. They are made clean and holy. Now, that woman in Texas who murdered her children and quoted scripture to justify her actions had a train of thought such as you have expressed. Her thinking was indeed inspired by the devil. (See Below) 1CO 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Children jt: Divination and deception are one and the same. Why just assume that demons will not work through a child? Everyone who comes into this world has a fallen Adamic nature and this includes every child. Usually it doesn't take long for it to express itself either. judyt [EMAIL PROTECTED]> The answered prayers of a child are cause to suspect demons? I think not. jt: Of course I can understand everyone being happy for the family but it's important that we understand God's ways because right now the Church is full of divination and nobody seems to know or care Some are closed to anything supernatural and the others are wide open to everything that comes along and looks good. Mom says God told her to stone sons AP file photo Deanna Laney called 911 just after midnight on May 10 and told a dispatcher: "I've just killed my boys." Associated PressMar. 29, 2004 06:03 PM TYLER, Texas - A mother who bashed her sons' heads with heavy rocks, killing two of the boys, was so delusional she thought the Lord told her to do it, her attorney said Monday in opening statements at her murder trial."Does she follow what she believes to be God's will or does she turn her back on her God?" defense attorney F.R. "Buck" Files Jr. asked the jury of eight men and four women.Deanna Laney, a 39-year-old stay-at-home mother, has pleaded innocent by reason of insanity to charges of murdering 8-year-old Joshua and 6-year-old Luke and causing serious injury to Aaron, 14 months old at the time. Prosecutors are not seeking the death penalty.The deeply religious East Texas woman who home-schooled her children in the tiny town of New Chapel Hill, 100 miles southeast of Dallas, wept uncontrollably and shook her head, at times burying her face in a tissue, as she listened to testimony and prosecutors showed gruesome photographs of her slain children.Her husband, who has supported her, sat a few rows behind with friends and family.Prosecutors contend Laney knew right from wrong when she killed her children last Mother's Day weekend, despite opinions from two psychiatric experts for the defense, two for the prosecution and one for the judge - all of whom said Laney was legally insane."The issue of sanity is tried in the court, not the hospitals," District Attorney Matt Bingham told the jury.Prosecutors played a tape of a 911 call in which Laney, in her high, dainty voice, calmly told a dispatcher after midnight on May 10: "I just killed my boys." She also described the color of her house and directed authorities to her home."I just did what I had to do," she told the dispatcher.Later in the tape, she appeared to doubt whether she should have beaten the baby, saying, "I don't think I did right by Aaron." She later said, "I don't think I was supposed to kill him."In his opening statement, the district attorney told the jury: "The evidence will show you that the last thing Josh and Luke Laney ever saw was their mom with a rock over their head and the last thing they ever felt was that rock crashing over their head."Bingham said Laney attacked the baby first, hammering his head with a 4 1/2-pound rock she had hidden under his crib. When he began crying, Laney's husband, Keith, woke up and found his wife standing over the baby."Everything's OK," she told him.He assumed his wife was changing a diaper and went back to bed. Laney then struck the baby again, and after hearing a gurgling from the blood in Aaron's throat, she covered him with a pillow and left the room, Bingham said."Aaron Laney will never be the same," said Bingham, adding that the boy's vision has been impaired and he will never live independently.With Aaron's blood on her pajamas, Laney then woke up Luke, led him outside the family's rural brick home and asked him to put his head on a large rock, the prosecutor said."He does what his Mommy tells him," Bingham s
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I was beginning to worry about you.
I do not subscribe to the idea of children being born
evil. God said that what He created was "very good." It is our
influences and actions as we age that corrupts us. Jesus said that we need
the innocence of a child to receive the Kingdom of God.
LUK 18:17 {Verily I say unto you, Whosoever
shall not receive the kingdom
of God as
a little child shall in no wise enter therein.}
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The family members of those who are called, children and
spouses,
are sanctified by the believing family member.
They are made clean and holy.
jt: Sanctified in 1 Cor 7:14 means set
apart for God to work upon; the
ones who are in unbelief still need to
make their own committment; God does
not make ppl clean and holy by osmosis and
without their cooperation.
Now, that woman in Texas who murdered her children and
quoted scripture
to justify her actions had a train of thought such as
you have expressed. Her
thinking was indeed inspired by the devil.
(See http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0329ChildrenSlain29-ON.html)
jt: I agree because murder is never God's
plan, the woman was listening to the
father of lies who was a murderer
from the beginning. she had religious spirits
and sadly this is not unusual.
The mother in Houston who drowned her five
children was also a professing
believer; she and her husband were
fundamentalist Christians.
1CO 7:14 For the unbelieving husband
is sanctified by the wife, and
the
unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were
your
children unclean; but now are they holy.
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jt: I've never stated that children could not be converted John, what I am saying is that child prophets and child prodigies are out of character for the ministry of God's Spirit in the Church. Children are not responsible for their own spiritual life under Judaism until they are at least 13yrs old and even Jesus who had a full measure of God's Spirit did nothing publicly before the age of 30yrs. When did things change? judyt No change at all. Judaism is religion and tradition, not the word of God. The Word of God tells of Samuel long before Judaism developed. There were other children inspired of God in the scripture, even from the womb. Joseph, Samson, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, Jesus. 1SA 1:24 ¶ And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child [was] young. 1SA 3:9 Therefore Eli said unto Samuel, Go, lie down: and it shall be, if he call thee, that thou shalt say, Speak, LORD; for thy servant heareth. So Samuel went and lay down in his place.1SA 3:10 And the LORD came, and stood, and called as at other times, Samuel, Samuel. Then Samuel answered, Speak; for thy servant heareth.1SA 3:11 ¶ And the LORD said to Samuel, Behold, I will do a thing in Israel, at which both the ears of every one that heareth it shall tingle.
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All right. A "child prodigy" must mean something to you that it does not mean in the field of education. These have obviously become "buzzwords" to describe something that you are seeing in the circles that I do not frequent. As for me, I have had the blessing of both teaching and learning from my children. They know and love God. They have personal relationships with the Father and His Son. In some ways they can be smarter than I because they have gifts that I do not have. For instance, I taught them music. I cannot play piano, except slowly to plunk out parts and harmonies. My children, on the other hand are gifted and they can move an audience in worship to God with their playing of the instrument. Your blanket stipulation would prevent Godly children from serving other brethren until they are age 30. I go along with Paul's admonition to Timothy: 2TI 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 1TI 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:51 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Children From: "Marlin Halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jt: I've never stated that children could not be converted John, what I am saying is that child prophets and child prodigies are out of character for the ministry of God's Spirit in the Church. Children are not responsible for their own spiritual life under Judaism until they are at least 13yrs old and even Jesus who had a full measure of God's Spirit did nothing publicly before the age of 30yrs. When did things change? marlin: No change at all. Judaism is religion and tradition, not the word of God. jt: I meant Israel and they were God's Old Covenant Church; they are the ones who preserved God's Word for our present generation and yes I was aware of Samuel but he is the exception; God was upset and not speaking to Eli. Even so, we have no record that Samuel was a boy prodigy. Did he become the prophet before he was of age that you know of? The Word of God tells of Samuel long before Judaism developed. There were other children inspired of God in the scripture, even from the womb. Joseph, Samson, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, Jesus. jt: OK Joseph had a dream and his brothers tried to kill him over it. Still he waited a long time and was sorely tested before it came to fruition.The parents of Samson, John the Baptist, and Jesus were warned ahead of time that these children would serve God but none of them to my knowledge were sent out as a child prodigy. Do you know of one who was? Even in the passages below Samuel as a child did not know who was speaking to him. Eli had to teach him. judyt
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All this worry because I recounted the answered prayers of an innocent child. I continually ask God to pour out His spirit upon my children and to bless them. Why would I or my child receive a snake when we ask for a fish? Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? MAT 7:9-11 jt: "Children are free to serve in many ways, just not in positions of authority and I don't see any indication that the Holy Spirit uses them in the distribution of spiritual gifts. ..."
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In a message dated 4/11/2004 7:38:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: john: This is absolutely over the top, even for judyt. You must believe in childhood conversion inspite of the fact that not one such example is given in NT scripture. jt: I've never stated that children could not be converted John, what I am saying is that child prophets and child prodigies are out of character for the ministry of God's Spirit in the Church. Children are not responsible for their own spiritual life under Judaism until they are at least 13yrs old and even Jesus who had a full measure of God's Spirit did nothing publicly before the age of 30yrs. When did things change? judyt Apparently you have misread my post. I don't believe anything has changed in that regard. John
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In a message dated 4/12/2004 5:11:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All this worry because I recounted the answered prayers of an innocent child. I thought your testimony was great and not one negative anything came to mind. My children are likewise a blessing. If any of you are interested, allow me to announce that my son, Russ, is taking his band on tour. His music is Christian, all origianal, and the appeal is more to the youth. If you would use his ministry, let me know -- we can send a CD if you like. John
