[twitter-dev] Re: What's happening with Tweetie for Mac
Have to admit it is kinda scary to develop for twitter, but maybe when more plans are released we'll understand twitter's plan a bit better. I don't begrudge Tweetie for being acquired, good for them, i'm sure it was a nice deal for them. It's a very narrow tightrope twitter walks though with developers will be interested to see how it all unfolds. On Apr 12, 4:18 pm, TvvitterBug by Applgasm-Apps tvvitter...@gmail.com wrote: So if I got this right, Twitter is going to distribute both Tweetie for iPhone and Tweetie for Mac for free, thus competing with its developer community in the Twitter desktop and mobile client space with free products? And all those other desktop and mobile apps that helped put Twitter on the map, well they're just SOL? And somehow Twitter believes this move is going to encourage developers to continue to develop for a platform that will eventually compete against all but one of them with predatory free pricing? Sounds like you must be looking for developers from the Las Vegas School of Business, not business partners within a symbiotic ecosystem.On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: One more from me. People have been asking for specific details around Tweetie for Mac and I wanted to make sure we clearly message our plans as we know it. To be clear, Tweetie for the iPhone and it's developer, Loren Brichter, were the focus of our acquisition, but as part of the deal we also got Tweetie for Mac. Loren had been hard at work on a new version of Tweetie for Mac that he was going to release soon. Our plan is to still release the new version and it will continue to be called Tweetie (not renamed to Twitter). We will also discontinue the paid version. Hope that's clear. Please let me know if you have any questions. Best, Ryan -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
[twitter-dev] Re: What's happening with Tweetie for Mac
This is certainly a risk we all face. However in my mind there are ways Twitter can do a better job in indicating where we should and should not concentrate effort. For example, there are things that Twitter has had in its V2 roadmap for years now, and some of us have decided to try and implement them on our own. If Twitter was willing to set even very rough priorities for things and very rough estimates (soon is not a rough estimate) that could go a long way in preventing us from wasting our time. Obviously they aren't going to tell us in advance of major new functionality, but I'm referring to functionality they have already indicated they would like to tackle at some future point On Apr 12, 3:23 pm, Jesse Stay jesses...@gmail.com wrote: Not at all - I've spent 3 years building features constantly replaced by Twitter (or killed due to Twitter changing the TOS). I've been there, and had plenty of my share of crankiness - I guess I'm used to it now, and I realize that's just a part of writing apps for the ecosystem (or any 3rd party ecosystem for that matter). The more Twitter can be transparent about things like this, the happier I am. I'm glad they're starting to open up on where they stand. I hope this continues. Jesse On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Isaiah Carew isa...@me.com wrote: sorry for being cranky, but i just spent a year building a tweetie competitor. you can't fault a guy for saying ouch while your knife is still sticking out of his back, right? isaiah http://twitter.com/isaiah On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Jesse Stay wrote: I think it's great that Twitter is finally being more transparent about all this. I could argue they need to be more transparent (where do they plan to go in the analytics and enterprise spaces?), but it's about time. They've finally drawn the line in the sand - now we need to adapt. Yes, it's frustrating, but then again, 90% of businesses fail - it's the risk all of us took. We either compete, or quit, and move on. I don't get all the complaints - this is nothing new. I've had half my features replaced by Twitter over the last few years (quite literally - just read my blog - I'm the chief complainer). By now I realize that's either part of life (note: it's the same on Facebook, too - there's no escaping it), or I change my focus to where Twitter is not my core and I instead use Twitter to strengthen my new core. That's where Twitter (and Fred Thompson) have made it clear they want us to go. Finally, some clarity. I'm appreciative of it, regardless of how frustrating it can be. Time for all of us to take this constructively and adapt. Just my $.02 FWIW... Jesse On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Isaiah Carew isa...@me.com wrote: Crystal clear. 1. You're decimating the client market on every platform but Windows. 2. You're killing any potential for innovation or investment. 3. You have no clear (public) plan for any innovation yourself. What marketing genius... Oh never mind. It's not worth the breath. Good luck with that. Anyone want a chirp ticket? isaiah http://twitter.com/isaiah On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:40 AM, Ryan Sarver wrote: One more from me. People have been asking for specific details around Tweetie for Mac and I wanted to make sure we clearly message our plans as we know it. To be clear, Tweetie for the iPhone and it's developer, Loren Brichter, were the focus of our acquisition, but as part of the deal we also got Tweetie for Mac. Loren had been hard at work on a new version of Tweetie for Mac that he was going to release soon. Our plan is to still release the new version and it will continue to be called Tweetie (not renamed to Twitter). We will also discontinue the paid version. Hope that's clear. Please let me know if you have any questions. Best, Ryan
[twitter-dev] Re: What's happening with Tweetie for Mac
Ryan, Great news thanks for the update! Jesse, Well said. On Apr 12, 10:40 am, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: One more from me. People have been asking for specific details around Tweetie for Mac and I wanted to make sure we clearly message our plans as we know it. To be clear, Tweetie for the iPhone and it's developer, Loren Brichter, were the focus of our acquisition, but as part of the deal we also got Tweetie for Mac. Loren had been hard at work on a new version of Tweetie for Mac that he was going to release soon. Our plan is to still release the new version and it will continue to be called Tweetie (not renamed to Twitter). We will also discontinue the paid version. Hope that's clear. Please let me know if you have any questions. Best, Ryan
[twitter-dev] Re: What's happening with Tweetie for Mac
Ryan, Thanks for clarifying, finally, at least. Rebranded Twitter or not, Tweetie as owned and developed by Twitter basically reinforces and confirms everything that we posted on the Nambu blog this morning: Twitter will take anything significant built around Twitter for itself, 100%. Twitter is now officially developing native applications on three platforms: iPhone OS, OSX and Blackberry, all free. Simply brutal. But I am not nearly affected as the iPhone developers. They should be rightfully livid that Twitter moved to wipe them out and take all advertising revenue (iAd and other stuff) on the iPhone and iPad for themselves rather than share it, as almost all other platforms do. Pretty sad. Make no mistake, Twitter for iPhone will take all significant market share, and there is nothing any of the developers there that have done great work can do about it. If you do not see this, you do not understand the basics of business. Making Tweetie free is pretty brutal as well, but only because Twitter is doing it. Everyone else should be put on notice that you will be next, as we have been. Mr. Wilson and Twitter, with these moves, and have basically told everyone of competence that they must accept their development efforts as only ending up as a nice lifestyle business. Anything more, and Twitter will move to take it from you, simple as that. --ejw Eric Woodward Email: e...@nambuc.om On Apr 12, 10:39 am, Michael Macasek mich...@oneforty.com wrote: Ryan, Great news thanks for the update! Jesse, Well said. On Apr 12, 10:40 am, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: One more from me. People have been asking for specific details around Tweetie for Mac and I wanted to make sure we clearly message our plans as we know it. To be clear, Tweetie for the iPhone and it's developer, Loren Brichter, were the focus of our acquisition, but as part of the deal we also got Tweetie for Mac. Loren had been hard at work on a new version of Tweetie for Mac that he was going to release soon. Our plan is to still release the new version and it will continue to be called Tweetie (not renamed to Twitter). We will also discontinue the paid version. Hope that's clear. Please let me know if you have any questions. Best, Ryan -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
[twitter-dev] Re: What's happening with Tweetie for Mac
While this is bad news to handful of iPhone based app developers, it's a great news for millions of iphone users who will be able to get Twitter app for free. On Apr 12, 2:46 pm, Eric Woodward e...@nambu.com wrote: Ryan, Thanks for clarifying, finally, at least. Rebranded Twitter or not, Tweetie as owned and developed by Twitter basically reinforces and confirms everything that we posted on the Nambu blog this morning: Twitter will take anything significant built around Twitter for itself, 100%. Twitter is now officially developing native applications on three platforms: iPhone OS, OSX and Blackberry, all free. Simply brutal. But I am not nearly affected as the iPhone developers. They should be rightfully livid that Twitter moved to wipe them out and take all advertising revenue (iAd and other stuff) on the iPhone and iPad for themselves rather than share it, as almost all other platforms do. Pretty sad. Make no mistake, Twitter for iPhone will take all significant market share, and there is nothing any of the developers there that have done great work can do about it. If you do not see this, you do not understand the basics of business. Making Tweetie free is pretty brutal as well, but only because Twitter is doing it. Everyone else should be put on notice that you will be next, as we have been. Mr. Wilson and Twitter, with these moves, and have basically told everyone of competence that they must accept their development efforts as only ending up as a nice lifestyle business. Anything more, and Twitter will move to take it from you, simple as that. --ejw Eric Woodward Email: e...@nambuc.om On Apr 12, 10:39 am, Michael Macasek mich...@oneforty.com wrote: Ryan, Great news thanks for the update! Jesse, Well said. On Apr 12, 10:40 am, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: One more from me. People have been asking for specific details around Tweetie for Mac and I wanted to make sure we clearly message our plans as we know it. To be clear, Tweetie for the iPhone and it's developer, Loren Brichter, were the focus of our acquisition, but as part of the deal we also got Tweetie for Mac. Loren had been hard at work on a new version of Tweetie for Mac that he was going to release soon. Our plan is to still release the new version and it will continue to be called Tweetie (not renamed to Twitter). We will also discontinue the paid version. Hope that's clear. Please let me know if you have any questions. Best, Ryan -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What's happening with Tweetie for Mac
Eric, I disagree. This just means they've put us on notice that if our apps completely revolve around Twitter we risk going into competition with them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, although it is frustrating, I agree (this is nothing new - they've been doing this for the last 3 years). The way to succeed on the Twitter platform is to build apps that don't rely on Twitter, but instead use Twitter as a complement to their own ecosystem. Your app should be its own platform, relying on other platforms to complement it, not the other way around. I think that's what Twitter is trying to iterate here, and we see that with the coming advent of @anywhere. I love that they're finally being clear on this, as frustrating as it is for those it affects directly (although the writing's been on the wall for awhile now - I certainly have complained many times about this). Jesse On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Eric Woodward e...@nambu.com wrote: Ryan, Thanks for clarifying, finally, at least. Rebranded Twitter or not, Tweetie as owned and developed by Twitter basically reinforces and confirms everything that we posted on the Nambu blog this morning: Twitter will take anything significant built around Twitter for itself, 100%. Twitter is now officially developing native applications on three platforms: iPhone OS, OSX and Blackberry, all free. Simply brutal. But I am not nearly affected as the iPhone developers. They should be rightfully livid that Twitter moved to wipe them out and take all advertising revenue (iAd and other stuff) on the iPhone and iPad for themselves rather than share it, as almost all other platforms do. Pretty sad. Make no mistake, Twitter for iPhone will take all significant market share, and there is nothing any of the developers there that have done great work can do about it. If you do not see this, you do not understand the basics of business. Making Tweetie free is pretty brutal as well, but only because Twitter is doing it. Everyone else should be put on notice that you will be next, as we have been. Mr. Wilson and Twitter, with these moves, and have basically told everyone of competence that they must accept their development efforts as only ending up as a nice lifestyle business. Anything more, and Twitter will move to take it from you, simple as that. --ejw Eric Woodward Email: e...@nambuc.om On Apr 12, 10:39 am, Michael Macasek mich...@oneforty.com wrote: Ryan, Great news thanks for the update! Jesse, Well said. On Apr 12, 10:40 am, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: One more from me. People have been asking for specific details around Tweetie for Mac and I wanted to make sure we clearly message our plans as we know it. To be clear, Tweetie for the iPhone and it's developer, Loren Brichter, were the focus of our acquisition, but as part of the deal we also got Tweetie for Mac. Loren had been hard at work on a new version of Tweetie for Mac that he was going to release soon. Our plan is to still release the new version and it will continue to be called Tweetie (not renamed to Twitter). We will also discontinue the paid version. Hope that's clear. Please let me know if you have any questions. Best, Ryan -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
[twitter-dev] Re: What's happening with Tweetie for Mac
I've spent eight months on a new Twitter client myself, and I had planned to start showing it at Chirp. Mine is in-browser so I suppose it's not quite the same situation, but in reality I do think they are all, for the most part, in competition with each other - no? On Apr 12, 1:12 pm, Isaiah Carew isa...@me.com wrote: sorry for being cranky, but i just spent a year building a tweetie competitor. you can't fault a guy for saying ouch while your knife is still sticking out of his back, right? isaiahhttp://twitter.com/isaiah On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Jesse Stay wrote: I think it's great that Twitter is finally being more transparent about all this. I could argue they need to be more transparent (where do they plan to go in the analytics and enterprise spaces?), but it's about time. They've finally drawn the line in the sand - now we need to adapt. Yes, it's frustrating, but then again, 90% of businesses fail - it's the risk all of us took. We either compete, or quit, and move on. I don't get all the complaints - this is nothing new. I've had half my features replaced by Twitter over the last few years (quite literally - just read my blog - I'm the chief complainer). By now I realize that's either part of life (note: it's the same on Facebook, too - there's no escaping it), or I change my focus to where Twitter is not my core and I instead use Twitter to strengthen my new core. That's where Twitter (and Fred Thompson) have made it clear they want us to go. Finally, some clarity. I'm appreciative of it, regardless of how frustrating it can be. Time for all of us to take this constructively and adapt. Just my $.02 FWIW... Jesse On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Isaiah Carew isa...@me.com wrote: Crystal clear. 1. You're decimating the client market on every platform but Windows. 2. You're killing any potential for innovation or investment. 3. You have no clear (public) plan for any innovation yourself. What marketing genius... Oh never mind. It's not worth the breath. Good luck with that. Anyone want a chirp ticket? isaiah http://twitter.com/isaiah On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:40 AM, Ryan Sarver wrote: One more from me. People have been asking for specific details around Tweetie for Mac and I wanted to make sure we clearly message our plans as we know it. To be clear, Tweetie for the iPhone and it's developer, Loren Brichter, were the focus of our acquisition, but as part of the deal we also got Tweetie for Mac. Loren had been hard at work on a new version of Tweetie for Mac that he was going to release soon. Our plan is to still release the new version and it will continue to be called Tweetie (not renamed to Twitter). We will also discontinue the paid version. Hope that's clear. Please let me know if you have any questions. Best, Ryan
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What's happening with Tweetie for Mac
On 04/12/2010 01:58 PM, Orian Marx (@orian) wrote: I've spent eight months on a new Twitter client myself, and I had planned to start showing it at Chirp. Mine is in-browser so I suppose it's not quite the same situation, but in reality I do think they are all, for the most part, in competition with each other - no? Yes, there is a competition - two competitions, in fact: 1. Clients that interface only to Twitter, and 2. Clients that interface to Twitter and other services. If we narrow the field to Twitter-only clients, the stats are very clear: http://twitter.com has the lion's share of the tweet count, with uberTwitter a distant second and TweetDeck third. See http://tdash.org/stats/clients for the numbers. Tweetie is number 11 on the list - *1.39%* of all the tweets posted come from Tweetie! In short, Twitter clients are jockeying for position in a crowded field with 39.31% of the usage already subtracted out by Twitter's main web page. See Which Twitter Clients Do People Actually Use? http://meb.tw/9iRfxU for some analysis. -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://borasky-research.net/m-edward-ed-borasky/ @znmeb I've always regarded nature as the clothing of God. ~Alan Hovhaness -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
[twitter-dev] Re: What's happening with Tweetie for Mac
I seem to remember some debate over how uberTwitter comes out with such a large share in that analysis, but either way everything I have seen has pointed to 40% of tweets posted coming from Twitter.com. In my mind it would be smart for people to think about how to get market share from that piece of the pie. I'm not sure I see a significant distinction between Twitter-only clients and clients that aggregate other services in terms of whether or not they are in competition with each other. On Apr 12, 6:37 pm, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@comcast.net wrote: On 04/12/2010 01:58 PM, Orian Marx (@orian) wrote: I've spent eight months on a new Twitter client myself, and I had planned to start showing it at Chirp. Mine is in-browser so I suppose it's not quite the same situation, but in reality I do think they are all, for the most part, in competition with each other - no? Yes, there is a competition - two competitions, in fact: 1. Clients that interface only to Twitter, and 2. Clients that interface to Twitter and other services. If we narrow the field to Twitter-only clients, the stats are very clear:http://twitter.comhas the lion's share of the tweet count, with uberTwitter a distant second and TweetDeck third. Seehttp://tdash.org/stats/clientsfor the numbers. Tweetie is number 11 on the list - *1.39%* of all the tweets posted come from Tweetie! In short, Twitter clients are jockeying for position in a crowded field with 39.31% of the usage already subtracted out by Twitter's main web page. See Which Twitter Clients Do People Actually Use?http://meb.tw/9iRfxUfor some analysis. -- M. Edward (Ed) Boraskyhttp://borasky-research.net/m-edward-ed-borasky/@znmeb I've always regarded nature as the clothing of God. ~Alan Hovhaness -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What's happening with Tweetie for Mac
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Orian Marx (@orian) or...@orianmarx.com wrote: I seem to remember some debate over how uberTwitter comes out with such a large share in that analysis, ... I've always been amazed by this, actually... check out: http://search.twitter.com/search?q=tweetphoto+source:ubertwitterresult_type=recent The rate at which people are just posting photos with UberTwitter is astounding, nevermind plain tweets. -Chad -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What's happening with Tweetie for Mac
On 04/12/2010 04:44 PM, Orian Marx (@orian) wrote: I seem to remember some debate over how uberTwitter comes out with such a large share in that analysis, but either way everything I have seen has pointed to 40% of tweets posted coming from Twitter.com. In my mind it would be smart for people to think about how to get market share from that piece of the pie. I'm not sure I see a significant distinction between Twitter-only clients and clients that aggregate other services in terms of whether or not they are in competition with each other. The distinction isn't really Twitter-only vs. Twitter-plus. I probably shouldn't have segmented the market that way. If you subtract out desktop Twitter.com via a browser, the market segments are * social media CRM tools, into which class I put HootSuite, CoTweet, and Salesforce.com and SugarCRM with social media access plugins. They're distinguished by accessing multiple services, call tracking, integration with email and analytics, scheduling of tweets, campaign management, etc. * mobile Twitter clients, where uberTwitter and Twitter for iPhone reside, and I think mobile.twitter.com. People just talking to Twitter on a mobile device. After I get back from Chirp, I'll probably look over Fred Wilson's categories of Twitter applications again, because I'm not sure exactly how he's segmented the market, and I think I'll have a different take once I understand his. In any event, the social CRM tool market segment is one that so far has been fairly well served IMHO by third parties, and mostly because they've recognized that they need to work with all the platforms - render unto Twitter that which is Twitter's, render unto Facebook and LinkedIn, etc. -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky borasky-research.net/m-edward-ed-borasky A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. ~ Paul Erdős -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What's happening with Tweetie for Mac
- Chad Etzel jazzyc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Orian Marx (@orian) or...@orianmarx.com wrote: I seem to remember some debate over how uberTwitter comes out with such a large share in that analysis, ... I've always been amazed by this, actually... check out: http://search.twitter.com/search?q=tweetphoto+source:ubertwitterresult_type=recent The rate at which people are just posting photos with UberTwitter is astounding, nevermind plain tweets. -Chad -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject. Yeah, @sheamus thought uberTwitter wasn't that popular either. But I know a fair number of power tweeters that have had a Blackberry for a long time, so maybe there just aren't any other good BB clients. So - I missed the whole Blackberry story in all the iPhone brouhaha - is the new Twitter Blackberry client something Twitter bought, or are they building it?
