RE: [U2] Re-Catalog?

[Donald Kibbey]

I'm in the middle of creating a test account by using uvbackup/uvrestore from 
an HP-UX system over to an XP system.  It's mostly working, but there are some 
issues with NT file name conversions and cataloged programs that need to be 
recompiled.  I have a little program that will fix these things up within an 
account, just thought it would be nice to put it within a loop and run it 
through all the accounts that make up the application.  Now, I can see that 
perhaps that's not the right way to go about this.  I'm currently looking into 
how to do a full recompile and recatalog of all the valid stuff in the VOC.

Thanks to everyone for sending along hints and warnings.


Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/22/05 01:03PM >>>
Don,

Why do you want to go account hoping in the middle of a program, this can
lead you into all kinds of problems.  If you need access to files in another
account set a pointer to the file and stay in the same account.

Re
andy

-Original Message-
From: Donald Kibbey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 February 2005 18:19
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org 
Subject: Re: [U2] Re-Catalog?

Thanks for the reminder.  I've um, tested this myself on my development
machine  And no, it's not pretty!  The application I support uses almost
a dozen accounts to service the main account.  Potholes are everywhere as
far as duplicate names in the voc.

I was hoping there was a "magic" command that would dig through what is
already cataloged, and recompile, recatalog based on the original.  I'll
have to see about doing this the old fashioned way with a program.  

This brings up another question.  I can get the list of accounts out of the
UV.ACCOUNT file, is there a way to do account hoping from within a basic
program?

Thanks,



Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP
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Re: [U2] Re-Catalog?

[Donald Kibbey]

Thanks for the reminder.  I've um, tested this myself on my development 
machine  And no, it's not pretty!  The application I support uses almost a 
dozen accounts to service the main account.  Potholes are everywhere as far as 
duplicate names in the voc.

I was hoping there was a "magic" command that would dig through what is already 
cataloged, and recompile, recatalog based on the original.  I'll have to see 
about doing this the old fashioned way with a program.  

This brings up another question.  I can get the list of accounts out of the 
UV.ACCOUNT file, is there a way to do account hoping from within a basic 
program?

Thanks,



Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP
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[U2] Re-Catalog?

[Donald Kibbey]

This is probably really silly, but is there a single command that will 
recatalog everything that is currently cataloged on a system?  And, does the 
catalog process perform a compile as well?  Or does that have to be done 
separately?

Thanks,



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[U2] Conversion to Windoze % vs ? character

[Donald Kibbey]

I'm attempting to convert a system using a uvbackup tape from hpux to windows.  
I've noticed that many cataloged items now have a name that ends in the % 
character wheras on the production system they end in a ? character.

Is there something I'm missing here as far as a conversion command or 
something?  Since I used uvbackup and uvrestore, I'm thinking that doing a 
fnuxi is not required.  

Any ideas?

Thanks,



Don Kibbey
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Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP
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Re: [U2] uvrestore question

[Donald Kibbey]

Sorry to bug the list with this.

Setting the block size on the tape to match the block size on the backup seems 
to be the key here.  8192 works much better than 512...

Thanks, things are restoring nicely now.



Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/16/05 11:39AM >>>
I'm currently making an archive copy of our system using uvrestore.  I'm 
attempting to build the archive with a uvbackup tape made on an HP-UX system.  
I"m building the archive on a windows box running xp (it has a 2 user 
development license).  I've noticed that during the uvrestore session I"m 
getting some odd errors that just don't seem right.  Here's a screen dump of 
them.

Warning: Access list denial: Function UVBACKUP, File d:\dbms\DATA1\LMS\DBF.XMT
WARNING: Unable to open file 'd:\dbms\DATA1\LMS\DBF.XMT'.  Not restored.
 Restoring /dbms/DATA1/LMS/AT.CLIENT.HIST (08:57:56)
 as  d:\dbms\DATA1\LMS\AT.CLIENT.HIST

Is there something that I have to do besides the following command to get this 
to work?

uvrestore -t mt0 -F /dbms=d:\dbms -U -v

Thanks,



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[U2] uvrestore question

[Donald Kibbey]

I'm currently making an archive copy of our system using uvrestore.  I'm 
attempting to build the archive with a uvbackup tape made on an HP-UX system.  
I"m building the archive on a windows box running xp (it has a 2 user 
development license).  I've noticed that during the uvrestore session I"m 
getting some odd errors that just don't seem right.  Here's a screen dump of 
them.

Warning: Access list denial: Function UVBACKUP, File d:\dbms\DATA1\LMS\DBF.XMT
WARNING: Unable to open file 'd:\dbms\DATA1\LMS\DBF.XMT'.  Not restored.
 Restoring /dbms/DATA1/LMS/AT.CLIENT.HIST (08:57:56)
 as  d:\dbms\DATA1\LMS\AT.CLIENT.HIST

Is there something that I have to do besides the following command to get this 
to work?

uvrestore -t mt0 -F /dbms=d:\dbms -U -v

Thanks,



Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP
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RE: [U2] [UV] RAID debugger

[Donald Kibbey]

I think if I were supporting that many users, I'd want to insure the system had 
the most reliable code base I could.  Does not mean you do every upgrade, but 
it does requrie an effort to stay fairly current.  With that many users, you 
probably have a test environment where upgrades could be evaluated prior to 
rollout to the live system.




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Re: [U2] Printronix + HP-Ux + JetDirect

[Donald Kibbey]

use the "dumb" driver (no thats not a joke) it outputs just plain ol ascii 
which is what that printer will want to deal with.  You can telnet to the jet 
direct and set it up from there.  I've done a few of these and once the 
jetdirect is setup to only send ascii, and the HP-UX system see's it as a 
"dumb" printer then you'll be fine.

Thanks,



Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/02/05 03:07PM >>>
We have a legacy Printronix P300 greenbar printer that we would like to
LAN-connect to our new HP-Ux server via an external HP JetDirect print
server.

I took a stab at a few of the generic drivers that come bundled with
HP-Ux... without luck.

Comments would be appreciated.

Regards,

--Bill
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Re: [U2] [UV] SOX Compliance and Universe

[Donald Kibbey]

We are a law firm, and so far no worries...  Though having somewhat greater 
control than no control sounds like a great idea.


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RE: [U2] free txt-to-pdf converter

[Donald Kibbey]

I've always made sure that Ghostscript received only raw text.  When I needed 
to spiff it up a bit, I used the lead sheets feature of Ghostscript and 
inserted some postscript code for things like watermarks header fonts.

I too have found that PCL will often not play nice with other printing formats.
snip
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/06/05 01:07PM >>>
The problem with software995 (and others) is the lack of control for paging



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Re: [U2] UV Pre-printed forms

[Donald Kibbey]

I've done some very simple things with just the HPGL commands.  Line drawing 
and such are very easy with those.  I've also used a soft font for things like 
logo's and signatures.


Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/04/05 10:58AM >>>
Mark,

There are software packages available to create overlays from 
documents.  We've been doing
this since the mid-90's (Steve Richmond and I did a presentation on this 
at the Universe Symposium
in Denver in '94 or '95) with home-grown software originally.  For the 
last five years or so, we've
been using a product called Forms Electric 
(http://www.visual.co.uk/formselectric.asp).  We copy
the file this generates to our system, and cat the file to the printer.

HTH
Drew

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
>  
>
>>One of my clients would like to replace their pre-printed forms with those
>>generated by the system. Basically the form has been re-created in MS
>>Publisher and saved as a PRN file.
>>
>>I understand that there is some magic to send the form, keep the job open
>>and
>>then send the data for the form. This will most likely be HP PCL per my
>>insistence but there maybe some Canon network printers brought into the
>>mix.
>>
>>
>
>There are others on the list who will help with the overlaying of data on
>a form, I hope... We use one Canon networked printer, the IR330, and it
>supports PCL better than our HP Deskjet printers, so you shouldn't have
>much trouble getting them to obey your PCL commands.
>
>Just a comment to make more noise on the list.
>
>  
>
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Re: [U2] free txt-to-pdf converter

[Donald Kibbey]

I've used ghostscript for this and though large, it works very well.  I built a 
little printer script that calls the ghostscript routines to produce the pdf 
file and then copy it to a web directory that can be browsed by the users.

There are numerous free and for fee methods of doing this.


Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/03/05 11:47PM >>>
Does anyone know of a FREE txt-to-pdf converter that can be run from a command
line?
I'm wanting to convert files in the &PH& to a PDF format.
(Running UniVerse 10 on Windows)



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RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT

[Donald Kibbey]

spare us please.

I think the posters were referring to days gone by AND coding closer to the 
machine.  Have a look at most any assembler language, you'll find things like 
jumps (goto's in disguise).


Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/29/04 08:37AM >>>
I'm an elder too...so I will be kind to myself..

alas...everyone missed my point..

Personally...and I mean personally, even if I hoards behind me who feel the
same way...I think GO, & GOTO's are sloppy coding.  There are cleaner ways
to do it.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bruce Nichol
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:33 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org 
Subject: RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT


Goo'day,

At 19:30 28/12/04 -0500, you wrote:

>It is a silly argument...
>
>I just think about utilizing a goto or its facsmile within C++. C, C#  (not
>that I ever did) and it would quickly garner a big red "F" in school...

Ah!   But some of us were programming "top down" with GO's, JUMP's,
what-have-you - quite productively and successfully -  long before
"structured programming" was foisted upon an unsuspecting public, and long
before "schools" of any ilk, primary, secondary or tertiary, even knew a
skerrick about "programming" per se.

Most of the programming profession in those days, and it's well and truly
within my lifetime, were taught their trade by hardware manufacturers.

As a matter of small fact, "top down" programming was preached at me in my
early Pick days (late 70's) to overcome frame faulting/ response time
problems in MDD boxes with only 32K of memory and up to 8 users

Be kind to your elders.

>I don't know of any other language where it would even get beyond a snicker
>at the unpolished newbie...
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:27 PM
>To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org 
>Subject: RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT
>
>
>While quibbling over nanoseconds, some of may have missed a little flaw
>in your tests that would have nothing to do with caching or memory
>allocation.  The elapsed time of each test could have been different
>enough that the differences in the counts would fall within that margin
>of error.  This is particularly noticeable in Tom's test below.
>
>Using 'TIME() + ' to determine the stopping point could
>make the first iteration up to .999 seconds shorter than the second.
>When you're processing hundreds of thousands or millions of iterations
>per second, that fraction of a second could account for the differences.
>
>Using Tom's example below, if the system time was 1.999 at the
>start, then
>ETIME for the first pass would be 10005, resulting in 4.001 seconds of
>processing.  The second pass would start around 10005.001 and ETIME
>would be 10010, resulting in 4.999 seconds of processing.  When
>processing 600,000 iterations, that means a margin of error of 120,000.
>Hence the results are skewed toward the second loop.
>
>To get around this, you could:
>A) Use SYSTEM(12)(on UD) to get milliseconds or other function to get a
>more exact measurement of time to make margin of error smaller.
>B) Add some code at the beginning to ensure TIME() had just incremented
>to the next number before starting a loop.
>C) Loop for more than a few seconds to make the partial second a smaller
>part of the total.
>D) Loop for a fixed number of times, logging starting and ending times
>(preferably in milliseconds or smaller).
>
>Dean
>
>P.S.  I apologize for the late post.  I'm once again way behind but
>couldn't resist this one.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:32 PM
>To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org 
>Subject: RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT
>
>Allen E. Elwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 13 Dec 2004 09:36:42
>-0800
>
> > I didn't include the delete statement because what you really wanted
> > to test was the LOOP/REPEAT vs. the GO construct.  Guess what?  After
> > doing four consecutive runs and picking the fastest of each four,
> > LOOP/REPEAT wins!!
> > ...
> > So does this end the GOTO holy war?
> > Less Filling, Tastes Better, Goes Faster???
> > ;-)
>
>Ummm... no.  Using UniData 6.0 on AIX 5.1 I tested a similar program
>with a tighter GOTO loop:
>
>01: * Test Loop Speeds
>02: *
>03:CTR = 0
>04:ETIME = TIME() + 5
>05:LOOP WHILE TIME() < ETIME DO
>06:   CTR += 1
>07:REPEAT
>08:PRINT "While ":CTR
>09: *
>10:CTR = 0
>11:ETIME = TIME() + 5
>12: 10 CTR += 1
>13:IF TIME() < ETIME THEN GOTO 10
>14:PRINT "Go To ":CTR
>
>I also wrote a separate program with lines 2-9 above after line 14, so I
>could test if the order of execution made a difference.  I ran each
>program four times, with the following results ("

Re: [U2] PCL point question.

[Donald Kibbey]

HP printers will attempt to match your font command with what is internal to 
the printer.  If there is not a perfect match, the next best match is used.  
This "feature" can be infuriating if you don't realize what's going on.  
Printout a font list from the printer and see if there's something internal 
that matches with what you want.  The newer HP's will also print the selection 
command along with the font sample.

If you have the HP docs or can obtain the pdf of them, there's a description in 
there that will tell you what parameters of the font selection command are used 
to guestimate a match if the exact match is not available.


Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/07/04 01:27PM >>>
I'm trying to put together some labels using PCL.

I was told to use 10point font. I'm using a font that is fixed, so the
printer
   is ignoring the point size setting "esc ( s # V"

I'm using the pitch setting instead "esc ( s # H"

one point is supposed to 1/72 of an inch. So 10 point should 10/72 of
inch
show it should be 7.2 cpi, but 7.2cpi is way larger than 10point text..

>From what I read the point setting is vertical measurment. I can set the
printer for a vertical spacing of 7.2lpi, no problem. So would 17cpi
size
characters on a line setting of 7.2lpi pass for 10 point? that would be
17 pitch, 10 point ?

We were told by the USPS that when we produce mailing labels they
need to be 10point.

We are switching from a printronix line printer (now dead) to an HP
laser
printer for our labels, and wanted to use 3 across labels (down from 
4 across). Our old print size for 10cpi on the line printer. If we go
with
10 cpi, that's not enough space for 3 across on the laser, need 9"

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RE: [U2] Windows firewall and UVODBC

[Donald Kibbey]

You can also add an application to the exceptions and then use the browse 
button to find the one you want to allow.


Don Kibbey
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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/07/04 09:53AM >>>
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The firewall is on the server, not the client machine.

The UVODBC on the server is part of Universe, so I can't just tell it to
allow the application access as far as I am aware, or do I tell it to
allow UV.EXE or something?

Also, there haven't been any pop up windows asking for access. This is
not like other firewalls that I am normally fine with.

Thanks 


Andy Moore
Selima Software Ltd.

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: [U2] Windows firewall and UVODBC

Add UVODBC to the exceptions.  You can do this one of two ways, one is
to make an UVODBC connection from the windows machine with the firewall
and wait for the firewall warning to come up.  The warning screen gives
you the option of allowing that program to contine and adding it to the
exceptions list.  The other way is to go into the control panel, find
the firewall applet and add UVODBC to the exceptions there.  


Don Kibbey
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Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


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Hello,

We have Universe running on Windows with the Windows firewall installed,
but the firewall is stopping access to the UVODBC.

Normally I can configure firewalls to let the UVODBC through, but the
Windows one is not one that I am familiar with.

Has anyone got any experience with this and if so do you have the
settings required or any advice?

Thanks

Andy Moore
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RE: [U2] Windows firewall and UVODBC

[Donald Kibbey]

What version of windows are you using?  I don't think the firewall is loaded on 
the server versions.  If your using XP pro for your server, you might want to 
think about changing that.  Otherwise, the quickest method is to create an odbc 
link from the server to the server and run it to get the popup from the 
firewall.


Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


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The firewall is on the server, not the client machine.

The UVODBC on the server is part of Universe, so I can't just tell it to
allow the application access as far as I am aware, or do I tell it to
allow UV.EXE or something?

Also, there haven't been any pop up windows asking for access. This is
not like other firewalls that I am normally fine with.

Thanks 


Andy Moore
Selima Software Ltd.

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Sent: 07 December 2004 14:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: [U2] Windows firewall and UVODBC

Add UVODBC to the exceptions.  You can do this one of two ways, one is
to make an UVODBC connection from the windows machine with the firewall
and wait for the firewall warning to come up.  The warning screen gives
you the option of allowing that program to contine and adding it to the
exceptions list.  The other way is to go into the control panel, find
the firewall applet and add UVODBC to the exceptions there.  


Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


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Hello,

We have Universe running on Windows with the Windows firewall installed,
but the firewall is stopping access to the UVODBC.

Normally I can configure firewalls to let the UVODBC through, but the
Windows one is not one that I am familiar with.

Has anyone got any experience with this and if so do you have the
settings required or any advice?

Thanks

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Re: [U2] Windows firewall and UVODBC

[Donald Kibbey]

Add UVODBC to the exceptions.  You can do this one of two ways, one is to make 
an UVODBC connection from the windows machine with the firewall and wait for 
the firewall warning to come up.  The warning screen gives you the option of 
allowing that program to contine and adding it to the exceptions list.  The 
other way is to go into the control panel, find the firewall applet and add 
UVODBC to the exceptions there.  


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Hello,

We have Universe running on Windows with the Windows firewall installed,
but the firewall is stopping access to the UVODBC.

Normally I can configure firewalls to let the UVODBC through, but the
Windows one is not one that I am familiar with.

Has anyone got any experience with this and if so do you have the
settings required or any advice?

Thanks

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Re: [U2] Session Virus ?

[Donald Kibbey]

Does this site have network or systems admin?  If so, are they upgrading or 
otherwise screwing with the system?  Is there a router somewhere that is 
resetting itself?  I've been victum of all this and more at our site.


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Beginning last week, the unthinkable keeps happening.  XP/NT4/Win98 Dynamic
Connect / UniVerse / HP-Ux users here have experienced abrupt logout.  

As a first fix, I gave them Trend's PC-cillin or Trend's SMB.  ReBooting the
HP-Ux box seems to help for a few hours.  It is a pesky intermittent thing.

Suggestions would be appreciated.

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Re: [U2] Uniobjects.NET speed/performance

[Donald Kibbey]

I found that using a select list within a loop was cause for a long nap...  I fixed 
that by reading the entire list into an array and then looping through the array.  
I've read on this list that there is an updated uniobjects.dll available, but my VAR 
was not able to locate it?!?

I really don't understand why IBM does not just post the developers tools as a public 
download.  You really can't do much with them unless you already have a licensed 
database so why the hassle?


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RE: [U2] [UV] UO.NET

[Donald Kibbey]

I would not mind sending it to a "backup site" if someone from IBM will bless the 
effort.  Though, I have to think if IBM has not made it available then they simply 
don't want it wondering around the net unsupervised...


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Re: [U2] Text to PDF Converter

[Donald Kibbey]

Take a look at GhostScript.  It's a pretty comprehensive method of dealing with 
postscript stuff that just happens to include the abiltiy to produce pdf documents 
with a command line interface.  We've been using it on an hp-ux machine for a long 
time now.  I also have it running on an XP machine as my test environment.



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Hello List,

Can anyone recommend any text to pdf converters that work at the command
line.

Are there any shareware tools out there ?

We're running UV in a W2K environment.

thx,

rudy

Rudy Cooper

Sage Publications

I.T Development
Thousand Oaks, California

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Re: [U2] Has anyone tried UniObjects for .NET?

[Donald Kibbey]

I have a project that I'm using it for right now.  So far, it's working O.K.  It does 
take a bit of getting used to after using the UniObjects for Java stuff via .Net, but 
I hope to have this current project running by next Monday.  It's a simple thing that 
will just build a set of records and move them over to a sql server for further 
processing by another program.  




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Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has had a chance to try then new UniObjects for ..NET?  

If so:
What are your thoughts pro & con?  
Any bugs to keep in mind?  
Anything else?

Thanks in advance!
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RE: [U2] [UV] Typo leads to discovery of new feature

[Donald Kibbey]

Not to start anything here, but has anyone ever written up something along the lines 
of "lint" for Pick Basic?  


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Re: [U2] Fancy Printer

[Donald Kibbey]

Call Xerox and have a look at their Docuprint line of printers.  The units come with a 
Sun workstation that handles the print ripping chores and a 65-135 page per minute 
print engine.  I was able to set two of these up to print our bills.  The bills come 
out with different color paper, letter head built on the fly, water marks and 
stapling.  All the fancy stuff is done with embedded strings at the start of the print 
job and with a little pit of postscript on the printer side.  This description does 
not do it justice  The Xerox printers can even emulate greenbar paper without 
doing any programming or changes on the UniVerse/D3/Pick side.  One other thing you 
can do with these printers is to have the printer do all the work of essentially 
merging a plain text stream with a postscript file which is used to describe all the 
fancy stuff.




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RE: [U2] hello ?

[Donald Kibbey]

Yep, time to torture the neighbors with the SG, the Carvin and the Fender Twin...  
"Into the Arena" by M. Schenker is usually enough to send them off to the Mall for a 
few hours.


Don Kibbey
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Ok, that's it.  I'm getting out the Marshall amp and Strat and wale away at
Obscured from vision by the clouds..

Born on the spring equinox, it's my fate :-D

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RE: [U2] [UV] [OT] was - Wide Zero

[Donald Kibbey]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/23/04 06:56AM >>>
Could someone please put sarbane-oxley up a wall and do some practice
shooting!

I think it was our very own Benjamin Franklin who said something to the effect that no 
man is safe while congress is in session.  I'm pretty sure that is true no matter 
which country your in.  The politicians always seem to find a way to go overboard on 
any good idea.


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RE: [U2] hello ?

[Donald Kibbey]

"the list is very dead today - is some holiday somewhere ?"

Autumnal Equinox???





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RE: [U2] Comparison Unidata and Universe

[Donald Kibbey]

As for editors, I have long used a pc based editor (CodeWright) with the UniVerse 
source I manage.  No need to play around with the line editor.  Most any full screen 
editor can be linked up to UniVerse as long as your source code is kept in type 19 
files.  If you want a great free solution, download the Eclipse platform from ibm.  
It's not full integrated as far as debugging and such, but there's a pretty good 
editor in there and Eclipse will run just about anywhere.





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RE: [U2] Alas .NET

[Donald Kibbey]

Beware the UniObjects.Net manual!  You'll also find references and examples for 
UniString objects that don't exist in the product.


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[U2] UniObjects.Net Nits....

[Donald Kibbey]

Going over a couple small tools that I've written in the past with UniObjects for Java 
mangled into .Net code.  I'm converting them over to use the new UniObjects.Net 
library and have found some annoying nits...

1)  UniFile WriteField swaps the order of the field number with the data array from 
the way the java version does things.  

2)  The UniString object is gone, not a big deal, but now I have to think even more 
when doing this conversion :0

3)  Everything is named Uni this and Uni that, I'm wearing out the Uni keys on my 
keyboard

4)  Select list processing seems really, really slow.  Aside from the time it takes to 
build the list which is the same as if you were at a terminal, processing it in a 
while loop just seems to take longer than it should.

5)  UniRecordset processing is really, really fast!  Seems odd that something used to 
get a lot of data can run noticeably faster than something that just returns a record 
key.

I was really hoping (silly I know) that perhaps the .Net version would be a closer 
cousin of the Java version.  It's close, but...  

More as I find them.

Thanks,



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RE: [OT] [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston (PICK/UniV erse/U2)

[Donald Kibbey]

Glad to hear you've made it through the hurricanes.  Hope Ivan goes somewhere else.

Also glad to hear I'm not alone in the "doing the job without the sheepskin" 
department.  I bought a gag certificate from an online vendor that shows I've a 
doctorate of science in "Silicon Interface Technologies" from Starfleet Academy.  I'm 
constantly amazed by how many people don't actually read the silly thing.  


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RE: [U2] Unidata shared memory and catalogs (On Vacation)

[Donald Kibbey]

I am out of the office today (September 3rd) taking a vacation day.  If you need 
assistance, please contact the help desk at X.

Thanks,





>>> u2-users 09/03/04 07:45 >>>

Thanks Colin and others for suggestions here and via e-mail, but as
indicated in my original post, I did read and follow the docs for NEWPCODE
and NEWVERSION, DECATLOG and DELETE.CATALOG, and CATALOG with DIRECT, LOCAL,
NEWVERSION, and/or FORCE - all with no success.  It seems weird that there
is so much material dedicated to this topic but nothing works.  Maybe it's a
PE thing.  If a solution is found I'll make sure it's published.

Thanks again.
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RE: [U2] UniObjects.Net

[Donald Kibbey]

Program like a "MAN", fill the dataset yourself.  It's a bit of work, but in the end 
you get a Dataset that is setup exactly like you want/need it.  I've been doing this 
for sometime with the UniObjects for Java imported via the J# tools.  Since all of the 
user interface widgets take datasets, datatables, etc as data binding thingies, you 
have to be able to either fill the dataset/datatable yourself or populate the user 
interface listview (or whatever else your using) directly.

I've decided that for my own use, if I'm just displaying something from UV, then I 
populate the user interface widget directly.  If I'm going to display the data with a 
widget and build or use it somewhere else, I make a datatable or dataset and pass it 
around the program that way.

Just pretend your writing COBOL and you'll be O.K. (lots of stuff to type in COBOL to 
do anything...)  :-)




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RE: [U2] Adding D-Descriptors

[Donald Kibbey]

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 The disconnect of the dictionary from the actual data stored in a U2 file.   

Feature or Flaw??


Sharp knife.  Use wisely!


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RE: [U2] Univere Login Security

[Donald Kibbey]

I've had a couple vendors use webex on some of our sql based systems.  It works well.  
I don't know about the cost.


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Re: [U2] Univere Login Security

[Donald Kibbey]

Setup a VPN and forget the ip number scheme.  Yes, it will take a bit of reading to 
get this going, but the upside will be your comms channel between you and him will be 
encrypted over the internet.  The current scheme is not.

A second method would be to use something like putty to establish an ssl link.  







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RE: [U2] many spindles - was Copying data between two UV servers

[Donald Kibbey]

It's true that it's getting tougher to justify 4 spindles that happen to be 36gig each 
for a database that is only 15gig in total size.  But the speed difference that is 
achieved by splitting the data files between 2 sets of mirrored disks is something 
that can be easily experienced by simply running a large month end type of job.  Sales 
guys are well, their sales guys.  Take what they say with a couple large grains of 
salt.


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Re: [U2] many spindles - was Copying data between two UV servers

[Donald Kibbey]

It's not just U2 that likes to have multiple spindles.  Any disk intensive processing 
activity will benefit by having the load split accross multiple disk subsystems.  This 
goes for Oracle, DB2, Microsoft SQL Server, UniVerse, email systems, etc, etc.

Think about it, if your writing an index on one disk and the data on another you are 
able to do two writes at the same time.  Whereas with one disk, the writes will be 
stacked up and done in sequence.


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> In unix, use "soft links".  See man pages on "ln -s".
> You can do that today to spread out INDEX.000, INDEX.001 INDEX.002, etc.
> across many spindles.

A few comments:

First, using a symbolic link (ln -s) will cause every OPEN to have to read
twice .. Once to read the link, and once to read the actual file ..

If the goal is to use many spindles, why not just use unix LVM or RAID to
stripe a logical "disk" across multiple physical disks?

Last one:
I've always heard that U2 needs multiple disks for best performance, and
I've seen this empirically, but I've never actually heard a good
explaination of WHY this is the case .. Any ideas?
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RE: [U2] UniObjects -> hpux -> unix command??

[Donald Kibbey]

Um...  Found a couple typo's in my code.

first, I was connecting to a windows machine that knows not what userdel is...
second, I did not add the -c after SH so it just would not work until I did that.
third, the full path of the command is required.  Probably a good idea to always do 
that from uniobjects.

Thanks to everyone for helping me sort this out.


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Affirmative i have just tested the command object and this construct works :

extract from DELPHI 

 mycommand := famissession.Command as unicommand;
 mycommand.text :=  'SH -c "ls /tmp"';
 mycommand.exec;
 listbox1.Items.Text := mycommand.Response;

listbox1 now contains a listing of my home directory on our linux box


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> can't you use the command object and send the command "SH -c 'userdel
> userid'" or something alike ??
> 
> otherwise you can always make a BASIC subroutine to do the 
> work and then
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[U2] UniObjects -> hpux -> unix command??

[Donald Kibbey]

Is it possible to execute a unix command directly from within UniObjects?  Something 
like "userdel userid"?

Thanks,



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[U2] [OT] Has anyone exoerienced a HUGE increase of Spam?

[Donald Kibbey]

Probably not the list.  Most likely, someone has "discovered" your email address and 
is using it as the return to address for sending out spam.  This has plagued me at 
home for the past couple of months.  Is the spam just a bunch of bounce messages from 
various email gateways?

If you run a gateway and your on this list, please, please disable the "feature" that 
sends bounce messasges back to the sender.  See the attached link for a better 
explanation.

http://www.connectedhomemag.com/HomeOffice/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=41711


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Re: [U2] Partial withdrawal! (On Vacation)

[Donald Kibbey]

I am out of the office today (July 20th) conducting personal business.  If you need 
assistance, please contact the help desk at X.

Thanks,





>>> u2-users 07/20/04 08:29 >>>

OK, I admit my error

Yes, a dynamic file will split at a roughly regular interval as you add new
records of a fixed size.

I'm not even going to venture down the path of describing what I was trying
to say.  It just didn't come out right.

Although each write makes a decreasingly small change to the load
percentage, the split also makes a decreasingly small compensatory (is there
such a word?) change.  So, all in all, the splits occur at about the same
rate.  The remainder of my original argument remains the same with regard to
my understanding of the lock table implications.  I am, however, happy to be
proved wrong!


Martin Phillips
Ladybridge Systems
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RE: [U2] UniObjects for .NET

[Donald Kibbey]

Does it have a web link where we can obtain it !




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RE: [U2] terminal on universe

[Donald Kibbey]

We do the same thing here for a law firm.  We went with a terminal buffer on the phone 
switch that writes it's data out to an Equitrac database (not my call, but it works).  
If all you want is the raw data from the phone switch I would suggest looking around 
for a buffer device to handle the data capture.  Do a search for CDR capture devices.  
There are a lot of companies that do this sort of thing for law firms and hotels.

We have also ran tests with a Cisco IP phone switch, it writes all the CDR data 
directly to  SQL database so getting at that data is a snap.


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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/11/04 02:33PM >>>
I need to collect data from a phone switch, i want to run a phantom that can capture a 
line at a time form the switch and write it to a transaction file and then run a bp to 
parse it the items into a data base then create reports on phone calls for management 
reports. we are a telemarketing company. now we are re-keying the information in to 
the computer


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Re: [U2] UniRPC question

[Donald Kibbey]

Are you sure your talking about the /etc/hosts file?  I think you may need to take a 
look at the /etc/services file and verify this line is in there somewhere.

uvrpc   31438/tcp   # uvNet rpc port

Hope that helps.

btw, need another programmer down there in Richmond?  I live in Fredericksburg and the 
commute to DC sucks


Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/09/04 01:53PM >>>
What needs to be in the /etc/hosts file to start the unirpc service.  That
seems to be the only thing I'm missing to start unirpc.  Thanks.

 

Nick Cipollina

 

Pick Programmer

Heritage Information Systems, Inc.

2810 North Parham Road, Suite 210

Richmond, VA 23294

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Re: [U2] CREATE.FILE one liner and UVSH.EXE

[Donald Kibbey]

worthless legal dribble top or bottom


Go easy on him/her.  It's probably the idea of the local PHB (pointy headed boss) or 
legal eagle.  





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Re: [U2] [UV] WHILE READNEXT id DO

[Donald Kibbey]

No, show me the code first!  :-)

At any rate Mark, I have never seen a problem using GOTOs that I couldn't 
re-create without using GOTOs.  But I think what you're really after is someone 
to do this work FOR you.  So show me the purchase order first ...

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Fast Forward Technologies
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[U2] [OT]Postscript to a Laser on Dumb Term Aux Port

[Donald Kibbey]

This usually occurs when the printer is either not Postscript capable or has PCL mode 
turned on.  If this is an HP type printer with the postscript card, make sure your 
first set of commands actually sent to the printer switch it over to postscript mode 
(which is nothing more than an ascii data stream).





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Re: [U2] Printer Question

[Donald Kibbey]

You will probably have to write a script to accept the print job, print it to disk and 
then resubmit it to the two printers you really want it to go to.  I've used some perl 
scripts to produce pdf files in the same fashion.


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Re: [U2] UniVerse on Linux

[Donald Kibbey]

I've used the PE edition with both SuSE and Gentoo without any problems other than the 
goofy install.  I'm still stunned that something like PE which should be dirt simple 
to install, still requires a couple of quick google searches to get the right sequence 
of tasks to perform.


Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/02/04 08:32PM >>>
As part of our server strategy we are investigating possibly running
UniVerse on Linux.  This seems to pose a number of questions re the type of
Linux to use.
I have obtained 10.1.1 for RedHat but our Oracle team is leaning towards
SUSE and we see that this is only listed on the Availability Matrix at
version 10.0.8
Is the matrix very out of date or is there a large difference between the
different flavours of Linux.
 
Are there good reasons to select one flavour over the other.  Opinions would
be welcome on or off list.
 
Regards,
Sara Burns
 
Sara Burns (SEB) 
Development Team Leader

Public Trust 
Phone: +64 (04) 474-3841 (DDI) 

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RE: [U2] UniDebugger question

[Donald Kibbey]

Not sure I'd call that a bug.  Certainly not backward compatible to folded type 1 
files, but the fix is easy, just resize.


Don Kibbey
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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/27/04 03:58PM >>>
I was able to resize the file after all.  I was hoping that this
short-coming of UniDebugger's had a fix.  Thanks for all the help.

Nick

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Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:47 PM
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Subject: RE: [U2] UniDebugger question

Nick,
 If you can't resize the file, can you copy just the program(s) in
question to a type 19 and debug on the copies?

 - Charles "Workaround" Barouch
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From: Nick Cipollina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

No, I can't resize the file to Type 19.  I've run into this with UniDebugger
before, and it is one of the reasons I stopped using it.  I need to use it
now, and I need to find out if there is a way to edit these files.  Thanks.

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RE: [U2] UniDebugger question

[Donald Kibbey]

If you can't resize the file / directory they are in to a type 19, then you will have 
to move / copy them to a type 19 directory to fix the folding of the name.  




Don Kibbey
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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/27/04 08:43AM >>>
No, I can't resize the file to Type 19.  I've run into this with UniDebugger
before, and it is one of the reasons I stopped using it.  I need to use it
now, and I need to find out if there is a way to edit these files.  Thanks.

Nick

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Nick,

Can you resize your file from Type 1 to Type 19?

That does not create intermediate directories.

Brian

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>I have a BASIC PROGRAM who's name is just long enough that it creates a
>sub-directory in the BP file, but does not go any further than that.  How
do
>I open this program in Unidebugger?  The only thing that is in the
>sub-directory that it created is a '?'.  I can edit it with vi by changing
>to that sub-directory and entering 'vi ?'.  How do I edit it with
>unidebugger?  Thanks.
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>Nick Cipollina
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RE: [U2] IBM positioning Linux against Microsoft

[Donald Kibbey]

Um, I think IBM calls this an os/400...

Face it.  If IBM is smart, they won't reinvent the wheel with UniVerse or UniData, 
they will provide a set of tools that will extract the application and host it on 
os/400, DB/2 or something else that they have put bucket loads of cash into over the 
years.


Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/20/04 05:48AM >>>
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Sent: 20 May 2004 00:55
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: RE: [U2] IBM positioning Linux against Microsoft


I agree with Tony on this. IBM has a real chance with UniVerse to take 
market share from Microsoft in the mid sized, small business database 
bracket.

UniVerse is easier to setup and maintain. With redback it has solid 
functionality for the web side of things and it will run on anything.
Just 
the ticket for a very cost aware small business that may be building
it's 
LAN out of bits and pieces.

I hope IBM goes for it.


So do I! All that U2 needs is a GUI interface, a GUI based language that
instinctively recognises and handles multivalues and subvalues, a really
good reports generator, a reputation that it's the next Oracle, endless
accreditation schemes and training courses leading to qualifications
that ensure vastly swollen pay packets, thousands of consultants and IT
managers throughout the world who learnt U2 in college pontificating in
its favour and selecting it as the choix du jour, massive acceptance by
a docile public and vast numbers of shiny-suited sales people using the
phrases 'post relational', 'ROI, 'blue sky metaconceptualisations', etc.

Put that in place, and U2'll kill 'em stone dead...
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RE: [U2] Cost of Oracle vs PICK

[Donald Kibbey]

Or that spiffy vertical software package REQUIRES SA login in order to work.


Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/18/04 02:36PM >>>


Seen programmers on SQL hard code the SA login to bypass the db security
level  It is what you make it...

Also, how many times to you read about a PICK DB having virus related
security issues?

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Bull.  Somewhere, somehow, you have to trust someone to correctly
implement
database integrity rules.  You can trust your DBAs to do it at the
database
level or you can trust your applications programmers to do it at an
application level. Neither inherently makes the database more secure.
Improperly implemented database constraints and triggers are just as
likely
to happen as badly designed applications.



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I agree with the security side.  In RDBMS models, in general,
you can (must) embed constraints and business rules in the
database, itself rather than the application.   This makes the
database more secure.
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RE: [U2] Companies going belly up converting from PICK/MV

[Donald Kibbey]

These all sound like companies that had issues because management were morons, and not 
because they used database X or Y.


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RE: [U2] My company is complaining about the U2 emails

[Donald Kibbey]

I suspect we are "beating" a horse that can't hear us...

Now that we've let fly with disparaging remarks about said companies IT department, 
u2-users has probably been redirected to /dev/null.


Don Kibbey
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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/17/04 09:50AM >>>
The problem is that Americans are sue happy.  And there are too many
Lawyers that don't care why people want to sue as long as they get their
percentage of the profit.  
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Re: [U2] MV Fad

[Donald Kibbey]

Those were the days...

I still have a Netronics S-100 kit computer in my garage.  I also have a decent 
Fortran and Cobol compilers for it...

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RE: [U2] Test - please ignore

[Donald Kibbey]

Sadly, this guy / gal is probably making more than all of us shipping paper wads 
around the world

Reminds me of the Origami Boulder (http://www.origamiboulder.com/)

You buy wadded up paper now!

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