RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

2007-10-12 Thread David Wolverton
Comp covers injuries while working. If you were hurt in an accident from the
airport to the conference, since you were only there for work, it is likely
a Worker Comp claim that would pay the medical bills. You personal insurance
would likely deny the claim since it 'happened in the course of work duties'
unless you have personal riders to fix that. Call your insurance agent for
'real' information - I just know what I hear... And you can't trust 50% of
that!!  My whole reason for the post - you need to make sure ducks are in a
row with whoever watches your ducks! (And only if you care -- if you're
happy-go-lucky none of this matters anyway!! g)


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 Brutzman, Bill
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 Subject: RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...
 
 What is Workers Comp?
 
 Is it like insurance for like falling off of a ladder at a company?
 
 Or is it, the company has to pay you to go?
 
 Or, you need to pay for a permit?
 
 Please advise.
 
 --Bill
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RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

2007-10-12 Thread David Wolverton
That's why I called -- it appears to be a TERRIBLY written rule/law -- CNA
is who notified me of it, and if you read the 'Comp Blogs' it IS causing
them to lose business.  It wasn't well thought out it appears.  As long as
you're not 'working' there, you're OK, or if your carrier by default gives
you some sort of NY rider.  I'd have to add a full policy in my case, or any
issue I had there that would be 'Comp-able' would be denied everywhere -- by
CNA locally and by New York - both because I didn't have the right coverage.
So - not worth the risk or buying a policy since I don't normally have work
there anyway.

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 Subject: RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...
 
 I think I would recheck that. If it is true that would stop 
 New York's convention business completely and I don't think 
 that would be what they would want.
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RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

2007-10-12 Thread Bob Wyatt
http://ebn.benefitnews.com/asset/article/163509/compliance/new-york-workers-
comp-rule-impacts.html

This confirms David's research (independently)...
I also called the Worker's Compensation Board, and received the same answer
as David.

Regards, 

Bob Wyatt 
Ashwood Computer, Inc. 
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RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

2007-10-12 Thread Tom Dodds
I don't believe this is an appropriate forum for political comment.

Tom Dodds


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Subject: RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

Have they got a definition of what is considered work? Anybody that
attends a convention for their company is usually getting paid while
there so I guess it would be considered working there. Or, would it?

What do you expect from a state that would support Hillary for congress
or anything?

-Original Message-
From: David Wolverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:49 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

That's why I called -- it appears to be a TERRIBLY written rule/law --
CNA
is who notified me of it, and if you read the 'Comp Blogs' it IS causing
them to lose business.  It wasn't well thought out it appears.  As long
as
you're not 'working' there, you're OK, or if your carrier by default
gives
you some sort of NY rider.  I'd have to add a full policy in my case, or
any
issue I had there that would be 'Comp-able' would be denied everywhere
-- by
CNA locally and by New York - both because I didn't have the right
coverage.
So - not worth the risk or buying a policy since I don't normally have
work
there anyway.

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 Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:26 AM
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 Subject: RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...
 
 I think I would recheck that. If it is true that would stop 
 New York's convention business completely and I don't think 
 that would be what they would want.
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RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

2007-10-12 Thread Lettau, Jeff
That's how I'm reading it.  You would have to work for 30 days within a
year period for it to apply.  So a convention for 7 days wouldn't apply.
But 5 Conventions for 7 days each would.  


Jeffrey Lettau 
ERP Systems Manager 
polkaudio


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Subject: RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

This is incorrect, per my research...
If the convention or conference had a duration of 30 days or more,
yes...

Please refer to
http://www.wcb.state.ny.us/content/main/Small_Business/outOfStateEmp_com
pLaw
.jsp

Regards, 

Bob Wyatt 
Ashwood Computer, Inc. 

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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:05
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

But I just found out that if any Employee is 'working' in New York, you
have
to have a New York Workers Comp policy.

This is a new ruling, and I just called Albany compliance (866-298-7830)
to
find out if attending a conference 'counts' as employment
duties/working.
And they said yes.  

So - I for one will not be able to be attending since I'm not going to
add
New York Workers Comp to attend a conference! 

And I thought it should be 'known' that if you are attending as an
'employee' or sending an 'employee', you may want to find out if you
need to
have a New York Workers Comp policy in place.

Hope I can make the California show now!!


David W. 
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RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

2007-10-12 Thread Bob Wyatt
This is incorrect, per my research...
If the convention or conference had a duration of 30 days or more, yes...

Please refer to
http://www.wcb.state.ny.us/content/main/Small_Business/outOfStateEmp_compLaw
.jsp

Regards, 

Bob Wyatt 
Ashwood Computer, Inc. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Wolverton
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:05
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

But I just found out that if any Employee is 'working' in New York, you have
to have a New York Workers Comp policy.

This is a new ruling, and I just called Albany compliance (866-298-7830) to
find out if attending a conference 'counts' as employment duties/working.
And they said yes.  

So - I for one will not be able to be attending since I'm not going to add
New York Workers Comp to attend a conference! 

And I thought it should be 'known' that if you are attending as an
'employee' or sending an 'employee', you may want to find out if you need to
have a New York Workers Comp policy in place.

Hope I can make the California show now!!


David W. 
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RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

2007-10-12 Thread Brutzman, Bill
What is Workers Comp?

Is it like insurance for like falling off of a ladder at a company?

Or is it, the company has to pay you to go?

Or, you need to pay for a permit?

Please advise.

--Bill

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Wolverton
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:05 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...


But I just found out that if any Employee is 'working' in New York, you have
to have a New York Workers Comp policy.

This is a new ruling, and I just called Albany compliance (866-298-7830) to
find out if attending a conference 'counts' as employment duties/working.
And they said yes.  

So - I for one will not be able to be attending since I'm not going to add
New York Workers Comp to attend a conference! 

And I thought it should be 'known' that if you are attending as an
'employee' or sending an 'employee', you may want to find out if you need to
have a New York Workers Comp policy in place.

Hope I can make the California show now!!


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RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

2007-10-12 Thread Jerry Banker
Have they got a definition of what is considered work? Anybody that
attends a convention for their company is usually getting paid while
there so I guess it would be considered working there. Or, would it?

What do you expect from a state that would support Hillary for congress
or anything?

-Original Message-
From: David Wolverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:49 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

That's why I called -- it appears to be a TERRIBLY written rule/law --
CNA
is who notified me of it, and if you read the 'Comp Blogs' it IS causing
them to lose business.  It wasn't well thought out it appears.  As long
as
you're not 'working' there, you're OK, or if your carrier by default
gives
you some sort of NY rider.  I'd have to add a full policy in my case, or
any
issue I had there that would be 'Comp-able' would be denied everywhere
-- by
CNA locally and by New York - both because I didn't have the right
coverage.
So - not worth the risk or buying a policy since I don't normally have
work
there anyway.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker
 Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:26 AM
 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
 Subject: RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...
 
 I think I would recheck that. If it is true that would stop 
 New York's convention business completely and I don't think 
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RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

2007-10-12 Thread Jerry Banker
I think I would recheck that. If it is true that would stop New York's
convention business completely and I don't think that would be what they
would want.

-Original Message-
From: David Wolverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:05 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

But I just found out that if any Employee is 'working' in New York, you
have
to have a New York Workers Comp policy.

This is a new ruling, and I just called Albany compliance (866-298-7830)
to
find out if attending a conference 'counts' as employment
duties/working.
And they said yes.  

So - I for one will not be able to be attending since I'm not going to
add
New York Workers Comp to attend a conference! 

And I thought it should be 'known' that if you are attending as an
'employee' or sending an 'employee', you may want to find out if you
need to
have a New York Workers Comp policy in place.

Hope I can make the California show now!!


David W. 
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RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...

2007-10-12 Thread David Wolverton
All I know is what CNA told me and the Albany Workers Comp compliance office
told me. If you hear differently from a source that could be an expert
witness on this material in a courtroom, let me know!  g  

New York would be a better location for me, although I found my airfare to
CA will only be $98 each way from Dallas -- WOW.


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 Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:41 AM
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 Subject: RE: [U2] I *was* Going to the New York U2U Class...
 
 That's how I'm reading it.  You would have to work for 30 
 days within a year period for it to apply.  So a convention 
 for 7 days wouldn't apply.
 But 5 Conventions for 7 days each would.  
 
 
 Jeffrey Lettau
 ERP Systems Manager
 polkaudio
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