Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
Marketing has always been about multiple ways to do predominantly the same thing you have a newspaper campaign, poster campaign, radio, tv, cpc ads, web banners, cold calling etc, these are just some more. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: 28 March 2013 21:55 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV The biggest issue I have this all of this social media craze (emperor's new clothes) is the time it takes to manage multiple ways to do predominately the same thing. Although with enough resources, these marketing avenues are manageable, for small businesses, there aren't enough resources in house. In addition, to outsource requires tremendous luck in the selection process. Secondly, the level of self-absorption in these social media outlets is so monumental, what can I say? It's like talking with someone who spends the entire time preening themselves in from me. Just a thought, or two... :-) Bill Untitled Page - Original Message - *From:* robert.hou...@fwic.net *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 3/28/2013 2:14 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Here's another article about social media. While it addresses more consumer facing data, you can easily see how some B2B companies can take advantage of the same concepts: http://www.thetibcoblog.com/2013/03/12/why-do-companies-find-it-so-har d-to-get-social-media-right/?goback=%2Egde_43707_member_225094184%2Egd e_43707_member_222896835 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: March-19-13 2:40 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV From: Robert Houben And just to mess with your heads a bit more... http://smallbiztrends.com/2013/03/10-reasons-business-pinterest.html Oh dear, you seem to have provoked yet another blog. :) http://nebula-rnd.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv3.html Summary: It's not just the individual services. Each of us has different roles in life. Pinterest might not appeal to us as MV people but it might appeal to the companies we support who wish to use it for marketing. And while you might not want to tweet about your MV epiphanies, in the broad landscape of social media there are many APIs (web services) for extracting data into your MV system, and publishing data from your MV system. As professionals and business people, ignoring this can be a strategic mistake. Thanks for the ongoing inspiration. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
Symeon: That isn't mostly true if you're a small business. Many times a small business's marketing focus has been on stationary, business cards, membership with the local chamber of commerce or rotary club, church membership, and sometimes a targeted trade show or advertisement in a particular trade publication. This is far different than what you observe for much larger businesses looking at much broader-based markets. I can't tell you how many of my small business friends have overpaid and been unhappy with SEO firms, marketing lists, marketing firms, and the plethora of business pustules who promise much and produce little. I'm sure we've all been there, and done that! In a small business, there isn't such a redundancy of resources that these decisions don't matter. Just a thought, or two. :-) Bill Untitled Page - - - */Fav Icon Advantos Systems, Inc./* ☎ Tel: 760-944-5570 x7002 | ☏ Fax: 760-655-1583 The Property Management Advantage. - Original Message - *From:* syme...@gmail.com *To:* 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 4/2/2013 1:30 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Marketing has always been about multiple ways to do predominantly the same thing you have a newspaper campaign, poster campaign, radio, tv, cpc ads, web banners, cold calling etc, these are just some more. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: 28 March 2013 21:55 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV The biggest issue I have this all of this social media craze (emperor's new clothes) is the time it takes to manage multiple ways to do predominately the same thing. Although with enough resources, these marketing avenues are manageable, for small businesses, there aren't enough resources in house. In addition, to outsource requires tremendous luck in the selection process. Secondly, the level of self-absorption in these social media outlets is so monumental, what can I say? It's like talking with someone who spends the entire time preening themselves in from me. Just a thought, or two... :-) Bill Untitled Page - Original Message - *From:* robert.hou...@fwic.net *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 3/28/2013 2:14 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Here's another article about social media. While it addresses more consumer facing data, you can easily see how some B2B companies can take advantage of the same concepts: http://www.thetibcoblog.com/2013/03/12/why-do-companies-find-it-so-har d-to-get-social-media-right/?goback=%2Egde_43707_member_225094184%2Egd e_43707_member_222896835 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: March-19-13 2:40 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV From: Robert Houben And just to mess with your heads a bit more... http://smallbiztrends.com/2013/03/10-reasons-business-pinterest.html Oh dear, you seem to have provoked yet another blog. :) http://nebula-rnd.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv3.html Summary: It's not just the individual services. Each of us has different roles in life. Pinterest might not appeal to us as MV people but it might appeal to the companies we support who wish to use it for marketing. And while you might not want to tweet about your MV epiphanies, in the broad landscape of social media there are many APIs (web services) for extracting data into your MV system, and publishing data from your MV system. As professionals and business people, ignoring this can be a strategic mistake. Thanks for the ongoing inspiration. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
*From:* symeonb Marketing has always been about multiple ways to do predominantly the same thing you have a newspaper campaign, poster campaign, radio, tv, cpc ads, web banners, cold calling etc, these are just some more. From: Bill Haskett That isn't mostly true if you're a small business. ... In a small business, there isn't such a redundancy of resources that these decisions don't matter. In short, I believe that's only a small part of the decision process. A longer response is on the blog, now Part5 *gasp*. It's generally a recap but if you're still not quite sold in one direction there's extra commentary there that might help. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/04/socialmv5.html Regards, T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
Here's another article about social media. While it addresses more consumer facing data, you can easily see how some B2B companies can take advantage of the same concepts: http://www.thetibcoblog.com/2013/03/12/why-do-companies-find-it-so-hard-to-get-social-media-right/?goback=%2Egde_43707_member_225094184%2Egde_43707_member_222896835 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: March-19-13 2:40 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV From: Robert Houben And just to mess with your heads a bit more... http://smallbiztrends.com/2013/03/10-reasons-business-pinterest.html Oh dear, you seem to have provoked yet another blog. :) http://nebula-rnd.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv3.html Summary: It's not just the individual services. Each of us has different roles in life. Pinterest might not appeal to us as MV people but it might appeal to the companies we support who wish to use it for marketing. And while you might not want to tweet about your MV epiphanies, in the broad landscape of social media there are many APIs (web services) for extracting data into your MV system, and publishing data from your MV system. As professionals and business people, ignoring this can be a strategic mistake. Thanks for the ongoing inspiration. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
The biggest issue I have this all of this social media craze (emperor's new clothes) is the time it takes to manage multiple ways to do predominately the same thing. Although with enough resources, these marketing avenues are manageable, for small businesses, there aren't enough resources in house. In addition, to outsource requires tremendous luck in the selection process. Secondly, the level of self-absorption in these social media outlets is so monumental, what can I say? It's like talking with someone who spends the entire time preening themselves in from me. Just a thought, or two... :-) Bill Untitled Page - Original Message - *From:* robert.hou...@fwic.net *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 3/28/2013 2:14 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Here's another article about social media. While it addresses more consumer facing data, you can easily see how some B2B companies can take advantage of the same concepts: http://www.thetibcoblog.com/2013/03/12/why-do-companies-find-it-so-hard-to-get-social-media-right/?goback=%2Egde_43707_member_225094184%2Egde_43707_member_222896835 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: March-19-13 2:40 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV From: Robert Houben And just to mess with your heads a bit more... http://smallbiztrends.com/2013/03/10-reasons-business-pinterest.html Oh dear, you seem to have provoked yet another blog. :) http://nebula-rnd.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv3.html Summary: It's not just the individual services. Each of us has different roles in life. Pinterest might not appeal to us as MV people but it might appeal to the companies we support who wish to use it for marketing. And while you might not want to tweet about your MV epiphanies, in the broad landscape of social media there are many APIs (web services) for extracting data into your MV system, and publishing data from your MV system. As professionals and business people, ignoring this can be a strategic mistake. Thanks for the ongoing inspiration. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
Hi Bill, Hootsuite (hootsuite.com) is a tool that allows you to manage the multiple ways to do the same thing problem very handily. There is a free variation that's probably good for any company starting out as it lets you do up to 5 social media outlets for free. Let's see, that's Twitter, a corporate Facebook page, LinkedIn, Google+, I wouldn't recommend starting with more than that, but you can essentially send the same posts to all these places. What's more, you can take a half hour each week, and plan a series of posts, which Hootsuite will let you schedule, and then ignore them. If you set things up right, you can be email notified if someone actually tries to contact you using social media. Alternately, check to see if you have any posts directed to you twice a day. You probably already check email... If you are consumer oriented, you may need to assign more resources to managing the activity on a Facebook page, but then you'll probably get more value from it, too. Note that we are a very small B2B company, but in my opinion, the effort I've put into social media has been hugely rewarded. Of course, your mileage may vary... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: March-28-13 2:55 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV The biggest issue I have this all of this social media craze (emperor's new clothes) is the time it takes to manage multiple ways to do predominately the same thing. Although with enough resources, these marketing avenues are manageable, for small businesses, there aren't enough resources in house. In addition, to outsource requires tremendous luck in the selection process. Secondly, the level of self-absorption in these social media outlets is so monumental, what can I say? It's like talking with someone who spends the entire time preening themselves in from me. Just a thought, or two... :-) Bill Untitled Page - Original Message - *From:* robert.hou...@fwic.net *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 3/28/2013 2:14 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Here's another article about social media. While it addresses more consumer facing data, you can easily see how some B2B companies can take advantage of the same concepts: http://www.thetibcoblog.com/2013/03/12/why-do-companies-find-it-so-har d-to-get-social-media-right/?goback=%2Egde_43707_member_225094184%2Egd e_43707_member_222896835 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: March-19-13 2:40 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV From: Robert Houben And just to mess with your heads a bit more... http://smallbiztrends.com/2013/03/10-reasons-business-pinterest.html Oh dear, you seem to have provoked yet another blog. :) http://nebula-rnd.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv3.html Summary: It's not just the individual services. Each of us has different roles in life. Pinterest might not appeal to us as MV people but it might appeal to the companies we support who wish to use it for marketing. And while you might not want to tweet about your MV epiphanies, in the broad landscape of social media there are many APIs (web services) for extracting data into your MV system, and publishing data from your MV system. As professionals and business people, ignoring this can be a strategic mistake. Thanks for the ongoing inspiration. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
Oh dear, you gentlemen seem to have coerced another blog out of me in response to your comments. :) Really, I'm just trying to keep my content in one place so that others can see the common message. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv4.html From: Robert Houben If you are consumer oriented, you may need to assign more resources to managing the activity on a Facebook page, but then you'll probably get more value from it, too. Note that we are a very small B2B company, but in my opinion, the effort I've put into social media has been hugely rewarded. Follow-up for Bill : You provide property management companies with software to manage properties. As I understand it, your browser-based app accepts requests from residents which are then scheduled for handling. Consider that in your business you could offer an option for the system to send a tweet to a resident when their lights are fixed or when the garage is unavailable. This is how people use these services now - it's often very pragmatic and not social in the least. Consistent with my messages here - don't just look at these media with a subjective/personal view. Your clients could be willing to pay for integration with social media. But as many of us with decades of experience here know, end-users won't ask their Pick developers for a lot because they generally don't expect that they will get what they want. So offer it up. See what happens. If nothing else, just the fact that you're offering to integrate with social media puts you in a different category from traditional Pick developers and application providers. HTH T [ad]I would be remiss if I didn't mention that I can integrate any U2 system with any social media service. Inquiries for related services are welcome.[/ad] Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
And just to mess with your heads a bit more... http://smallbiztrends.com/2013/03/10-reasons-business-pinterest.html -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: March-18-13 2:50 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Tony Good post well stated. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 17 March 2013 04:13 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Wow, what an awesome set of responses. Thank you VERY much. There are consistent opinions in many of the responses. So I hope all of you will forgive if I respond to my own post here with a new sub-thread, and with another blog, as I wanted to keep all of the thoughts together. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv2.html In summary, what We think about social media is unimportant. What is important is, that is where other people are, so that is where we should be too. I'd be interested to know if this second blog entry prompts any re-consideration. I recognize that this isn't directly a U2 topic. This is more of an industry topic, of which U2 users are a part. Increasingly, U2 is becoming less associated with the MV industry and more a self-contained industry of its own. I don't think that's the right direction. We all lose personally, and the industry suffers, because there are so few common places where MV/Pick users congregate. I'm encouraging people to broaden the horizons rather than furthering the contraction. Our scope as more diversified professionals shouldn't be limited to any one group, or just to U2 groups in different web sites. In this forum in the past, we've discussed the merits of email versus browser-based forums, Usenet, Google Groups, etc. The passionate preferences expressed for all of these media is exactly the same as that expressed, for or against the various social media. I'm suggesting that now the question is not just which forum but what other media should we consider in addition to forums? It's almost the next inevitable question ... Twitter is OK for some purposes, not others. Same with LinkedIn, etc. No one medium is good for all purposes. I think everyone should give proper consideration to each venue, individually, on its merits as a tool for providing and receiving specific kinds of information. Your (really really verbose, thankful, and apologetic) colleague :) Tony Gravagno, Nebula Research and Development USA 949-380-1668 Skype: gravagnot http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://www.LinkedIn.com/in/TonyGravagno Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
From: Robert Houben And just to mess with your heads a bit more... http://smallbiztrends.com/2013/03/10-reasons-business-pinterest.html Oh dear, you seem to have provoked yet another blog. :) http://nebula-rnd.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv3.html Summary: It's not just the individual services. Each of us has different roles in life. Pinterest might not appeal to us as MV people but it might appeal to the companies we support who wish to use it for marketing. And while you might not want to tweet about your MV epiphanies, in the broad landscape of social media there are many APIs (web services) for extracting data into your MV system, and publishing data from your MV system. As professionals and business people, ignoring this can be a strategic mistake. Thanks for the ongoing inspiration. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
Tony Good post well stated. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 17 March 2013 04:13 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Wow, what an awesome set of responses. Thank you VERY much. There are consistent opinions in many of the responses. So I hope all of you will forgive if I respond to my own post here with a new sub-thread, and with another blog, as I wanted to keep all of the thoughts together. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv2.html In summary, what We think about social media is unimportant. What is important is, that is where other people are, so that is where we should be too. I'd be interested to know if this second blog entry prompts any re-consideration. I recognize that this isn't directly a U2 topic. This is more of an industry topic, of which U2 users are a part. Increasingly, U2 is becoming less associated with the MV industry and more a self-contained industry of its own. I don't think that's the right direction. We all lose personally, and the industry suffers, because there are so few common places where MV/Pick users congregate. I'm encouraging people to broaden the horizons rather than furthering the contraction. Our scope as more diversified professionals shouldn't be limited to any one group, or just to U2 groups in different web sites. In this forum in the past, we've discussed the merits of email versus browser-based forums, Usenet, Google Groups, etc. The passionate preferences expressed for all of these media is exactly the same as that expressed, for or against the various social media. I'm suggesting that now the question is not just which forum but what other media should we consider in addition to forums? It's almost the next inevitable question ... Twitter is OK for some purposes, not others. Same with LinkedIn, etc. No one medium is good for all purposes. I think everyone should give proper consideration to each venue, individually, on its merits as a tool for providing and receiving specific kinds of information. Your (really really verbose, thankful, and apologetic) colleague :) Tony Gravagno, Nebula Research and Development USA 949-380-1668 Skype: gravagnot http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://www.LinkedIn.com/in/TonyGravagno Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
Facebook is pure evil (even George Orwell couldn't imagine something so sinister when he wrote 1984) and Twitter is nothing but a waste of time. On 16/03/2013 01:49, Charlie Noah wrote: I don't want to offend my friend Tony, but I have to agree with Bob. I don't trust anything I see on Facebook, and I won't even look at Twitter. The only reason I'm on Facebook at all is to keep in touch with family and friends, and to promote my store a little. I don't do as much of that as people think I should, but I simply don't have the time or inclination to become a Facebook junkie. Sorry, Tony. Charlie Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Home of Safety Net Shipping http://www.TinyBearWildBirdStore.com Toll Free: 1-855-TinyBear (855-846-9232) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
Every company I am involved in has a facebook/linkedin/twitter account and we keep them updated regularly - it is essential in modern business marketing to do this. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 15 March 2013 22:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5677 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
All social networks are not the same. I am happy to be on LinkedIn which incidentally has good Rocket and Pick groups, but share the distrust of Facebook. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Mar 2013, at 10:31, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: Every company I am involved in has a facebook/linkedin/twitter account and we keep them updated regularly - it is essential in modern business marketing to do this. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 15 March 2013 22:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5677 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
I try to dabble in the social network stuff. My issue is energy/motivation. Whether we like it or not, social networks aren't going anywhere. I would go so far as to say in about 10 years no one is going to check their email anymore. And if you want new folks talking about MV in an online setting, mailing lists definitely aren't going to get you there. Just visit your local church, or some place where kids hangout and observe them- and you will see. Its a brave new world, whether we like it or not. Learn how to relate to the culture and pass on what you know- or the knowledge will be lost. Happens all the time in the history books. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: All social networks are not the same. I am happy to be on LinkedIn which incidentally has good Rocket and Pick groups, but share the distrust of Facebook. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Mar 2013, at 10:31, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: Every company I am involved in has a facebook/linkedin/twitter account and we keep them updated regularly - it is essential in modern business marketing to do this. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 15 March 2013 22:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5677 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
How you use these networks depends on the nature of your brand. LinkedIn is the clear winner for B2B interaction, while Facebook is huge for B2C brands, or anything with a mainstream consumer component. I use Facebook for personal connections and LinkedIn for business connections, and I try not to cross-pollinate too much! :) Be aware that according to Gartner, the largest single demographic using Twitter is not teens and tweens, but baby boomers! While the former get all the media attention, your prospective customers and suppliers are probably among the latter. They can all improve your SEO more than anything else you do, but note that Google+ improves it inordinately (I'm pretty sure Google gives it priority.) Your business can curse it if they wish, but ignore it at your peril! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Thompson Sent: March-16-13 7:17 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV I try to dabble in the social network stuff. My issue is energy/motivation. Whether we like it or not, social networks aren't going anywhere. I would go so far as to say in about 10 years no one is going to check their email anymore. And if you want new folks talking about MV in an online setting, mailing lists definitely aren't going to get you there. Just visit your local church, or some place where kids hangout and observe them- and you will see. Its a brave new world, whether we like it or not. Learn how to relate to the culture and pass on what you know- or the knowledge will be lost. Happens all the time in the history books. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: All social networks are not the same. I am happy to be on LinkedIn which incidentally has good Rocket and Pick groups, but share the distrust of Facebook. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Mar 2013, at 10:31, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: Every company I am involved in has a facebook/linkedin/twitter account and we keep them updated regularly - it is essential in modern business marketing to do this. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 15 March 2013 22:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5677 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
Good for you Tony! For the detractors: realize that this is the way of the world now. Take a look at the software development ecosystems that are thriving today: JavaScript, Ruby, Python, etc. Their communities leverage social media to communicate, organize meetups, solve common problems, and share code. It fuels their growth. I'm saddened by the lack of U2 posts on Stack Overflow: http://stackoverflow.com/tags/u2 And the lack of open source on GitHub: https://github.com/search?q=unibasicref=commandbar The longer the U2 ecosystems remains shuttered behind closed doors, the faster it will get move towards its death. As far as social networks for individual businesses -- it's cool if you don't want to use them. I'm happy to take all your leads. :-) -Rob On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:17 AM, John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.comwrote: I try to dabble in the social network stuff. My issue is energy/motivation. Whether we like it or not, social networks aren't going anywhere. I would go so far as to say in about 10 years no one is going to check their email anymore. And if you want new folks talking about MV in an online setting, mailing lists definitely aren't going to get you there. Just visit your local church, or some place where kids hangout and observe them- and you will see. Its a brave new world, whether we like it or not. Learn how to relate to the culture and pass on what you know- or the knowledge will be lost. Happens all the time in the history books. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: All social networks are not the same. I am happy to be on LinkedIn which incidentally has good Rocket and Pick groups, but share the distrust of Facebook. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Mar 2013, at 10:31, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: Every company I am involved in has a facebook/linkedin/twitter account and we keep them updated regularly - it is essential in modern business marketing to do this. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 15 March 2013 22:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5677 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
Pick code however is posted to the pickwiki Not sure what GitHub would offer that isn't already there. -Original Message- From: Rob Sobers rsob...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:44 am Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Good for you Tony! For the detractors: realize that this is the way of the world now. Take a look at the software development ecosystems that are thriving today: JavaScript, Ruby, Python, etc. Their communities leverage social media to communicate, organize meetups, solve common problems, and share code. It fuels their growth. I'm saddened by the lack of U2 posts on Stack Overflow: http://stackoverflow.com/tags/u2 And the lack of open source on GitHub: https://github.com/search?q=unibasicref=commandbar The longer the U2 ecosystems remains shuttered behind closed doors, the faster it will get move towards its death. As far as social networks for individual businesses -- it's cool if you don't want to use them. I'm happy to take all your leads. :-) -Rob On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:17 AM, John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.comwrote: I try to dabble in the social network stuff. My issue is energy/motivation. Whether we like it or not, social networks aren't going anywhere. I would go so far as to say in about 10 years no one is going to check their email anymore. And if you want new folks talking about MV in an online setting, mailing lists definitely aren't going to get you there. Just visit your local church, or some place where kids hangout and observe them- and you will see. Its a brave new world, whether we like it or not. Learn how to relate to the culture and pass on what you know- or the knowledge will be lost. Happens all the time in the history books. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: All social networks are not the same. I am happy to be on LinkedIn which incidentally has good Rocket and Pick groups, but share the distrust of Facebook. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Mar 2013, at 10:31, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: Every company I am involved in has a facebook/linkedin/twitter account and we keep them updated regularly - it is essential in modern business marketing to do this. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 15 March 2013 22:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5677 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
Not sure what GitHub would offer that isn't already there. - Dicoverability - The ability to collaborate on and fork codebases - Easily view diffs, history, etc. - Issue tracking You know, the things most successful open source projects look for. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Pick code however is posted to the pickwiki Not sure what GitHub would offer that isn't already there. -Original Message- From: Rob Sobers rsob...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:44 am Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Good for you Tony! For the detractors: realize that this is the way of the world now. Take a look at the software development ecosystems that are thriving today: JavaScript, Ruby, Python, etc. Their communities leverage social media to communicate, organize meetups, solve common problems, and share code. It fuels their growth. I'm saddened by the lack of U2 posts on Stack Overflow: http://stackoverflow.com/tags/u2 And the lack of open source on GitHub: https://github.com/search?q=unibasicref=commandbar The longer the U2 ecosystems remains shuttered behind closed doors, the faster it will get move towards its death. As far as social networks for individual businesses -- it's cool if you don't want to use them. I'm happy to take all your leads. :-) -Rob On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:17 AM, John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.com wrote: I try to dabble in the social network stuff. My issue is energy/motivation. Whether we like it or not, social networks aren't going anywhere. I would go so far as to say in about 10 years no one is going to check their email anymore. And if you want new folks talking about MV in an online setting, mailing lists definitely aren't going to get you there. Just visit your local church, or some place where kids hangout and observe them- and you will see. Its a brave new world, whether we like it or not. Learn how to relate to the culture and pass on what you know- or the knowledge will be lost. Happens all the time in the history books. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: All social networks are not the same. I am happy to be on LinkedIn which incidentally has good Rocket and Pick groups, but share the distrust of Facebook. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Mar 2013, at 10:31, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: Every company I am involved in has a facebook/linkedin/twitter account and we keep them updated regularly - it is essential in modern business marketing to do this. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 15 March 2013 22:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5677 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
You start with an example posting and let's see how it goes. -Original Message- From: Rob Sobers rsob...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:57 am Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Not sure what GitHub would offer that isn't already there. - Dicoverability - The ability to collaborate on and fork codebases - Easily view diffs, history, etc. - Issue tracking You know, the things most successful open source projects look for. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Pick code however is posted to the pickwiki Not sure what GitHub would offer that isn't already there. -Original Message- From: Rob Sobers rsob...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:44 am Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Good for you Tony! For the detractors: realize that this is the way of the world now. Take a look at the software development ecosystems that are thriving today: JavaScript, Ruby, Python, etc. Their communities leverage social media to communicate, organize meetups, solve common problems, and share code. It fuels their growth. I'm saddened by the lack of U2 posts on Stack Overflow: http://stackoverflow.com/tags/u2 And the lack of open source on GitHub: https://github.com/search?q=unibasicref=commandbar The longer the U2 ecosystems remains shuttered behind closed doors, the faster it will get move towards its death. As far as social networks for individual businesses -- it's cool if you don't want to use them. I'm happy to take all your leads. :-) -Rob On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:17 AM, John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.com wrote: I try to dabble in the social network stuff. My issue is energy/motivation. Whether we like it or not, social networks aren't going anywhere. I would go so far as to say in about 10 years no one is going to check their email anymore. And if you want new folks talking about MV in an online setting, mailing lists definitely aren't going to get you there. Just visit your local church, or some place where kids hangout and observe them- and you will see. Its a brave new world, whether we like it or not. Learn how to relate to the culture and pass on what you know- or the knowledge will be lost. Happens all the time in the history books. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: All social networks are not the same. I am happy to be on LinkedIn which incidentally has good Rocket and Pick groups, but share the distrust of Facebook. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Mar 2013, at 10:31, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: Every company I am involved in has a facebook/linkedin/twitter account and we keep them updated regularly - it is essential in modern business marketing to do this. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 15 March 2013 22:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5677 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
Symeon, I'm curious whether these companies are retail, manufacturing, services, or ??? I'm also curious whether their presence there is driven by you, or driven by their business model? Not knowing geographically where you are, please pardon my references to U.S. retail stores. I'm not prone to visit Walmart or Best Buy because they have a Facebook presence, or because they have coupons advertised there-in. IF (and that is a big IF) they have the product I seek at a price I'm willing to pay, I'll visit the store; I'm not a coupon/rebate shopper. I'm not going to join Facebook or Twitter to follow the local news or television personalities, Amazon, my favorite deodorant, my preferred shampoo, and the like. I'm not planning on joining Facebook or Twitter to follow Rocket Software or their staff. Part of why I will not is due to my privacy and security concerns, and the abuses taken by these sites. Sure, you can try to harden your presence there, but, in the end, the appearance of control and hardening is weakened by the site usage agreements they change next month. Vendors that I am involved with have my E-mail address; I figure if there is something I need to know, they'll tell me directly; if not, it will be posted on their web site. I don't have the time to visit a half-dozen (or more) places to get reliable and authoritative information regarding product news, staff updates, information for a problem I'm trying to solve, and so-on. The more places I have to look, the more time I have lost, and I question the accuracy or relevancy of whatever I seek when I find it on a social site and nowhere else. So I'm interested in what is driving the socialization of the commercialization process - is it a fit for all companies? Is it a fit for those companies wanting name recognition, or in the retail space wanting to attract more sales? What drove the companies with which you are involved go the socialization route? Having done it for one of the companies, did you drive it for the others? How do you gauge the success (or failure) of your presence there? How did you balance the desire (may be need, but...) to be on these web sites with the security and privacy concerns the company may have had? Bob Wyatt -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:31 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Every company I am involved in has a facebook/linkedin/twitter account and we keep them updated regularly - it is essential in modern business marketing to do this. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 15 March 2013 22:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5677 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV
I am in the UK - I do tend to find Europe a couple of years in advance of the us when it comes to marketing models, certainly in the web and social marketing space. All these companies are b2b, but they are young dynamic companies - for instance one company I am involved in (founder/shareholder/cto) does online restaurant booking systems, we target some of the medium and larger aspirational restaurant chains, all of whom are staffed and run by people who are very into social media, dining is a big social event in Europe people tweet/facebook about their dining experience, starting from when they book to how the actual event went. Social media is integral to how our customers market themselves and we have to be in that space as well. As for privacy - pardon my French but it think the whole thing is a load of bollocks. Are people really so egotistical to think that there is someone at facebook sifting through the billions of hits they get per day to find out exactly what you are up to . I am also involved in another company (again founder/shareholder/cto) that does internet advertising, we have many of the largest uk newspaper and magazine sites and place tens of millions of ads per day, we place cookies and track usage - but in no way are we interested in any one individual it is just trends and totals, even if we did somehow manage to choose someone, what exactly would we find out that was so exciting and worthy to spend hours of effort on. :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Wyatt Sent: 16 March 2013 19:26 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Symeon, I'm curious whether these companies are retail, manufacturing, services, or ??? I'm also curious whether their presence there is driven by you, or driven by their business model? Not knowing geographically where you are, please pardon my references to U.S. retail stores. I'm not prone to visit Walmart or Best Buy because they have a Facebook presence, or because they have coupons advertised there-in. IF (and that is a big IF) they have the product I seek at a price I'm willing to pay, I'll visit the store; I'm not a coupon/rebate shopper. I'm not going to join Facebook or Twitter to follow the local news or television personalities, Amazon, my favorite deodorant, my preferred shampoo, and the like. I'm not planning on joining Facebook or Twitter to follow Rocket Software or their staff. Part of why I will not is due to my privacy and security concerns, and the abuses taken by these sites. Sure, you can try to harden your presence there, but, in the end, the appearance of control and hardening is weakened by the site usage agreements they change next month. Vendors that I am involved with have my E-mail address; I figure if there is something I need to know, they'll tell me directly; if not, it will be posted on their web site. I don't have the time to visit a half-dozen (or more) places to get reliable and authoritative information regarding product news, staff updates, information for a problem I'm trying to solve, and so-on. The more places I have to look, the more time I have lost, and I question the accuracy or relevancy of whatever I seek when I find it on a social site and nowhere else. So I'm interested in what is driving the socialization of the commercialization process - is it a fit for all companies? Is it a fit for those companies wanting name recognition, or in the retail space wanting to attract more sales? What drove the companies with which you are involved go the socialization route? Having done it for one of the companies, did you drive it for the others? How do you gauge the success (or failure) of your presence there? How did you balance the desire (may be need, but...) to be on these web sites with the security and privacy concerns the company may have had? Bob Wyatt -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:31 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Every company I am involved in has a facebook/linkedin/twitter account and we keep them updated regularly - it is essential in modern business marketing to do this. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 15 March 2013 22:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue
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On 16/03/2013 19:02, Wjhonson wrote: You start with an example posting and let's see how it goes. Well, I've got a planned, VERY high profile project lined up. Problem is, it'll take a lot of work to pull off. I'll broadcast it here when I'm in a position to do something about it. As some of you here know already, I'm a carer now :-( and that plays havoc with my ability to sit down and concentrate on work :-( Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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On 16/03/2013 16:23, Robert Houben wrote: How you use these networks depends on the nature of your brand. LinkedIn is the clear winner for B2B interaction, while Facebook is huge for B2C brands, or anything with a mainstream consumer component. I use Facebook for personal connections and LinkedIn for business connections, and I try not to cross-pollinate too much! :) Be aware that according to Gartner, the largest single demographic using Twitter is not teens and tweens, but baby boomers! While the former get all the media attention, your prospective customers and suppliers are probably among the latter. They can all improve your SEO more than anything else you do, but note that Google+ improves it inordinately (I'm pretty sure Google gives it priority.) Google+ is also the winner social network for FLOSS developers - not least because of that distrust of farcebook amongst many of them. I've got a linked-in account and a G+ account but refuse to have one on facebook ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Wow, what an awesome set of responses. Thank you VERY much. There are consistent opinions in many of the responses. So I hope all of you will forgive if I respond to my own post here with a new sub-thread, and with another blog, as I wanted to keep all of the thoughts together. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv2.html In summary, what We think about social media is unimportant. What is important is, that is where other people are, so that is where we should be too. I'd be interested to know if this second blog entry prompts any re-consideration. I recognize that this isn't directly a U2 topic. This is more of an industry topic, of which U2 users are a part. Increasingly, U2 is becoming less associated with the MV industry and more a self-contained industry of its own. I don't think that's the right direction. We all lose personally, and the industry suffers, because there are so few common places where MV/Pick users congregate. I'm encouraging people to broaden the horizons rather than furthering the contraction. Our scope as more diversified professionals shouldn't be limited to any one group, or just to U2 groups in different web sites. In this forum in the past, we've discussed the merits of email versus browser-based forums, Usenet, Google Groups, etc. The passionate preferences expressed for all of these media is exactly the same as that expressed, for or against the various social media. I'm suggesting that now the question is not just which forum but what other media should we consider in addition to forums? It's almost the next inevitable question ... Twitter is OK for some purposes, not others. Same with LinkedIn, etc. No one medium is good for all purposes. I think everyone should give proper consideration to each venue, individually, on its merits as a tool for providing and receiving specific kinds of information. Your (really really verbose, thankful, and apologetic) colleague :) Tony Gravagno, Nebula Research and Development USA 949-380-1668 Skype: gravagnot http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://www.LinkedIn.com/in/TonyGravagno Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Good stuff Tony. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Well put! It's not directly a U2 issue, but it will AFFECT U2 developers, users and their customers, so we need to understand it and where appropriate, use it! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: March-16-13 9:13 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Social Networks for MV Wow, what an awesome set of responses. Thank you VERY much. There are consistent opinions in many of the responses. So I hope all of you will forgive if I respond to my own post here with a new sub-thread, and with another blog, as I wanted to keep all of the thoughts together. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv2.html In summary, what We think about social media is unimportant. What is important is, that is where other people are, so that is where we should be too. I'd be interested to know if this second blog entry prompts any re-consideration. I recognize that this isn't directly a U2 topic. This is more of an industry topic, of which U2 users are a part. Increasingly, U2 is becoming less associated with the MV industry and more a self-contained industry of its own. I don't think that's the right direction. We all lose personally, and the industry suffers, because there are so few common places where MV/Pick users congregate. I'm encouraging people to broaden the horizons rather than furthering the contraction. Our scope as more diversified professionals shouldn't be limited to any one group, or just to U2 groups in different web sites. In this forum in the past, we've discussed the merits of email versus browser-based forums, Usenet, Google Groups, etc. The passionate preferences expressed for all of these media is exactly the same as that expressed, for or against the various social media. I'm suggesting that now the question is not just which forum but what other media should we consider in addition to forums? It's almost the next inevitable question ... Twitter is OK for some purposes, not others. Same with LinkedIn, etc. No one medium is good for all purposes. I think everyone should give proper consideration to each venue, individually, on its merits as a tool for providing and receiving specific kinds of information. Your (really really verbose, thankful, and apologetic) colleague :) Tony Gravagno, Nebula Research and Development USA 949-380-1668 Skype: gravagnot http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://www.LinkedIn.com/in/TonyGravagno Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Tony, I read the blog, but remain unmoved. I think that embracing social media weakens/dilutes/reduces the focus of the brand. If the purpose is to promote Bob Wyatt or Tony Gravagno, use social media to the fullest extent you desire. If the purpose of your web presence is to promote the brand (Nebula Research or Ashwood Computer, Inc. (my employer)), there should be as few web locations as possible. Whomever is doing the searching is interested in authoritative/reliable information - finding the information on facebook, twitter, and the like, I hope, will never ever be regarded as authoritative or reliable (in my opinion). If I want to know what Nebula Research can do for me, facebook and twitter are not on by radar as possible destinations to find out. I'm not inclined to go there even for references - I would get references from Nebula Research, not what followers of Tony (or Nebula Research) had to say on facebook or twitter. I even find the technical questions being asked (and answered) on LinkedIn as being in bad form. That isn't what LinkedIn is for. It is a narrow view, and I realize that it may not be a popular one. I'm in front of a computer more than 10 hours a day, and when I need information, I need authoritative/reliable information. And, of course, Twitter and facebook can be a huge time-vacuum - lots of time and little reward. All of the above is my personal opinion, and does not necessarily reflect the opinion of my employer... Bob Wyatt -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 6:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I don't want to offend my friend Tony, but I have to agree with Bob. I don't trust anything I see on Facebook, and I won't even look at Twitter. The only reason I'm on Facebook at all is to keep in touch with family and friends, and to promote my store a little. I don't do as much of that as people think I should, but I simply don't have the time or inclination to become a Facebook junkie. Sorry, Tony. Charlie Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Home of Safety Net Shipping http://www.TinyBearWildBirdStore.com Toll Free: 1-855-TinyBear (855-846-9232) On 03-15-2013 8:33 PM, Bob Wyatt wrote: Tony, I read the blog, but remain unmoved. I think that embracing social media weakens/dilutes/reduces the focus of the brand. If the purpose is to promote Bob Wyatt or Tony Gravagno, use social media to the fullest extent you desire. If the purpose of your web presence is to promote the brand (Nebula Research or Ashwood Computer, Inc. (my employer)), there should be as few web locations as possible. Whomever is doing the searching is interested in authoritative/reliable information - finding the information on facebook, twitter, and the like, I hope, will never ever be regarded as authoritative or reliable (in my opinion). If I want to know what Nebula Research can do for me, facebook and twitter are not on by radar as possible destinations to find out. I'm not inclined to go there even for references - I would get references from Nebula Research, not what followers of Tony (or Nebula Research) had to say on facebook or twitter. I even find the technical questions being asked (and answered) on LinkedIn as being in bad form. That isn't what LinkedIn is for. It is a narrow view, and I realize that it may not be a popular one. I'm in front of a computer more than 10 hours a day, and when I need information, I need authoritative/reliable information. And, of course, Twitter and facebook can be a huge time-vacuum - lots of time and little reward. All of the above is my personal opinion, and does not necessarily reflect the opinion of my employer... Bob Wyatt -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 6:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I actually agree with Tony but for a number of different reasons. Sure, there are some who won't go to FB or Twitter or Linked In, and that's perfectly fine, but there are others who will. More importantly, I believe there is value in having the widest swath of distributed information out there for people to find. And while I highly respect TG for all he knows and does, anything that helps him limit his thoughts to a micro- format has some value. :-) (Tony, I hope you know I'm not dissing on you; I just wish I had more time to read and digest every word.) -K On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.comwrote: I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2013/03/socialmv1.html Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Bob, I used to work at Ashwood! Say hi to Rod, Doug Tom for me. All good folks. John Israel Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Bob Wyatt bwyatt_...@comcast.net wrote: Tony, I read the blog, but remain unmoved. I think that embracing social media weakens/dilutes/reduces the focus of the brand. If the purpose is to promote Bob Wyatt or Tony Gravagno, use social media to the fullest extent you desire. If the purpose of your web presence is to promote the brand (Nebula Research or Ashwood Computer, Inc. (my employer)), there should be as few web locations as possible. Whomever is doing the searching is interested in authoritative/reliable information - finding the information on facebook, twitter, and the like, I hope, will never ever be regarded as authoritative or reliable (in my opinion). If I want to know what Nebula Research can do for me, facebook and twitter are not on by radar as possible destinations to find out. I'm not inclined to go there even for references - I would get references from Nebula Research, not what followers of Tony (or Nebula Research) had to say on facebook or twitter. I even find the technical questions being asked (and answered) on LinkedIn as being in bad form. That isn't what LinkedIn is for. It is a narrow view, and I realize that it may not be a popular one. I'm in front of a computer more than 10 hours a day, and when I need information, I need authoritative/reliable information. And, of course, Twitter and facebook can be a huge time-vacuum - lots of time and little reward. All of the above is my personal opinion, and does not necessarily reflect the opinion of my employer... Bob Wyatt -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 6:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Social Networks for MV I'm on a mini campaign to make more MV colleagues aware of the benefits of using Twitter and other social media. Everyone is welcome to visit my blog on the topic and to comment here or there. http://webdefence.global.blackspider.com/urlwrap/?q=AXicJcqxDcIwEEDRaxgHn-1QRFQIkOgoqGgdYyVGZ190diJlCMRo7MEUCPjl018d4P0AeD0BhBbT9qrIrJKL5DlXYVKeE4g9mWvRe221bTcQi7hwl93NLZVzmcYgkeV3DrWOW8Rz6CZy60s-fhU74h5r8AOmGa02DeoGC_voKM1GDTUR_PsAt9cuaAZ Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services http://webdefence.global.blackspider.com/urlwrap/?q=AXicY3VmeNXLwHC-n4GhKKfS0CJdr7ioTC83MTMnOT-vpCg_Ry85P5ehyMjdMKLYwMnAyMDIwoQhs7goMTWryCElsbIkP6-4tCC1KDO_CKwyo6SkwEpf3y81qTQnUTcozwUkqp-Uk5_OAAEAcRAkWwZ Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
