firefox 58, orca and 16.04
I need suggestions on where to look. Firefox on my system stopped working with orca after the last update (no setting changed) and my wife tells me that it is working properly as far as sighted people are concerned. All other applications that I run from the desktop appear to be working correctly with orca (not that I run many). I have found a couple of people on the orca list who are not having an issue with firefox, 16.04 and orca. Any help will be much appreciated. Tom -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
+1 This is awesome, thank you. On 19/08/2015 19:52, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 03:14:10AM AEST, Lucas Radaelli wrote: Folks, Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome. I am running 14.04. Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox version? You can install Orca 3.16.2 for 14.04 from the Ubuntu Accessibility Dev PPA, ppa:ubuntu-accessibility-dev/ppa. To add it and update, do the following: * In a terminal, run sudo apt-add-repository ppa:accessibility-dev/ppa * sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade And you should then get latest stable Orca. This will likely be updated once Orca 3.18 comes out. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
Is this on voxin side or speech dispatcher communication with voxin? I use emacspeak with voxin and got no errors... I suspect that this is coming from speech dispatcher. Any idea if this bug is tracked somewhere? On 19/08/2015 19:04, Rob Whyte wrote: Hi, yes you will find the crashes are due to Voxin. sudo killall -9 speech-dispatcher will get you along your way quickly. Thanks Rob On 20/08/15 06:07, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: Hi. Version 0.8.3 is the current version. I suspect that this problem is related to voxin, although I can not confirm. Can you try to use espeak instead voxin as a test? On 08/19/2015 04:45 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote: Could you guys confirm the version of speech dispatcher that you are using? Orca stoped talking to me twice in a period of less than a hour and just returned when I killed speech dispatcher and restarted everything. I assume that this is speech dispatcher's fault, as I had the same problem with chromevox when running it with speech dispatcher. On 19/08/2015 16:06, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: Hi Lucas. In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is possible to build in ubuntu 14.04. A while back I posted a message in the linux-accessivel list with instructions on how to build orca from git. On 08/19/2015 02:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote: Folks, Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome. I am running 14.04. Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox version? I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
Yeah, thanks for this important resource Luke. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Luke Yelavich wrote: Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 08:54:35AM +1000 > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 07:58:19AM AEST, kk wrote: > > Wow, > > Who maintains this ppa for accessibility devel? > > I do. > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
hi Any orca version after ... I believe 3.12 is the version that got the gigantic firefox improvements, should work fine. I'd of course recommend you run 3.16.3 which I believe is the latest, but I'm not sure how easy this is to do in ubuntu. There's an accessibility PPA luke, rob and others maintain that has the latest accessibility packages, at-spi, orca, etc but I'm not sure of the command to install it. Thanks Kendell clark On 08/19/2015 12:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote: Folks, Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome. I am running 14.04. Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox version? I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm using orca 3.16 in Trisquel, a derivative of Ubuntu 14.04, though I did not build it; rather, I added the Accessibility Devel ppa to my system, and the latest access stack (including orca) got installed on system upgrade. Having done this, I may be able to build from git. to add repository: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:accessibility-devel then: sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade HTH, Dave On 08/19/2015 03:06 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi Lucas. In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is > possible to build in ubuntu 14.04. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJV1NVlAAoJEPDWzxLwi2tA6R8H/iP81cl+nTMlbDSkkRYaIurB aS12ZKbEuVRgAaBVxGVbe9UItrFYLyPp+5sSBj3rxP1uMLFGO7eWetTrDBjpDx5/ etz+SDrG9rch//neuDIcy66lj6HaKEYKzWq/n+Kg8PwahQyDfJnoeBHPngoZ2YdR jYR35OosttxK5y3wLcfCFNMnYq4wMQzHdVlHRBwvjK0ftTcWPIsWKX91c6DHPhnY JF/9aIXgh8URpc2RDLG/ZkRUZL/z7Rl/1cGhuQLGg4eFOq3+qD1c+2UeHNjlyZZQ eod0OktN/JH++GN1AB0oU3yF/DlMBbtWgimJj230JyOjW5MknuVz4YbxpWHsFK4= =RyC3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 07:58:19AM AEST, kk wrote: > Wow, > Who maintains this ppa for accessibility devel? I do. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 03:14:10AM AEST, Lucas Radaelli wrote: > Folks, > > Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the > experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome. > > I am running 14.04. > > Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm > to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox > version? You can install Orca 3.16.2 for 14.04 from the Ubuntu Accessibility Dev PPA, ppa:ubuntu-accessibility-dev/ppa. To add it and update, do the following: * In a terminal, run sudo apt-add-repository ppa:accessibility-dev/ppa * sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade And you should then get latest stable Orca. This will likely be updated once Orca 3.18 comes out. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
Hi, yes you will find the crashes are due to Voxin. sudo killall -9 speech-dispatcher will get you along your way quickly. Thanks Rob On 20/08/15 06:07, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi. > Version 0.8.3 is the current version. > > I suspect that this problem is related to voxin, although I can not > confirm. > Can you try to use espeak instead voxin as a test? > > On 08/19/2015 04:45 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote: >> >> Could you guys confirm the version of speech dispatcher that you are >> using? >> >> Orca stoped talking to me twice in a period of less than a hour and >> just returned when I killed speech dispatcher and restarted everything. >> >> I assume that this is speech dispatcher's fault, as I had the same >> problem with chromevox when running it with speech dispatcher. >> On 19/08/2015 16:06, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >>> Hi Lucas. >>> In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is possible to >>> build in ubuntu 14.04. >>> >>> A while back I posted a message in the linux-accessivel list with >>> instructions on how to build orca from git. >>> >>> On 08/19/2015 02:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote: >>>> Folks, >>>> >>>> Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the >>>> experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is >>>> awesome. >>>> >>>> I am running 14.04. >>>> >>>> Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you >>>> confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running >>>> and which firefox version? >>>> >>>> I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the >>>> experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA. >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
Wow, Who maintains this ppa for accessibility devel? happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Thursday 20 August 2015 12:56 AM, Dave Hunt wrote: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:accessibility-devel -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
Mine is 3.17.3 pre Meaning I have a much later version, built from git source. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Thursday 20 August 2015 12:39 AM, B. Henry wrote: yes, it will certainly build You might need to get some at-spi packages from an extra repo, let me check on something and I'll post back. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
Hi. Version 0.8.3 is the current version. I suspect that this problem is related to voxin, although I can not confirm. Can you try to use espeak instead voxin as a test? On 08/19/2015 04:45 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote: Could you guys confirm the version of speech dispatcher that you are using? Orca stoped talking to me twice in a period of less than a hour and just returned when I killed speech dispatcher and restarted everything. I assume that this is speech dispatcher's fault, as I had the same problem with chromevox when running it with speech dispatcher. On 19/08/2015 16:06, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: Hi Lucas. In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is possible to build in ubuntu 14.04. A while back I posted a message in the linux-accessivel list with instructions on how to build orca from git. On 08/19/2015 02:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote: Folks, Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome. I am running 14.04. Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox version? I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA. -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
Could you guys confirm the version of speech dispatcher that you are using? Orca stoped talking to me twice in a period of less than a hour and just returned when I killed speech dispatcher and restarted everything. I assume that this is speech dispatcher's fault, as I had the same problem with chromevox when running it with speech dispatcher. On 19/08/2015 16:06, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: Hi Lucas. In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is possible to build in ubuntu 14.04. A while back I posted a message in the linux-accessivel list with instructions on how to build orca from git. On 08/19/2015 02:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote: Folks, Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome. I am running 14.04. Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox version? I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Trusty and Orca Users! I'm using orca 3.16 in Trisquel, a derivative of Ubuntu 14.04, though I did not build it; rather, I added the Accessibility Devel ppa to my system, and the latest access stack (including orca) got installed on system upgrade. Having done this, I may be able to build from git. to add repository: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:accessibility-devel then: sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade HTH, Dave On 08/19/2015 03:06 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi Lucas. In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is > possible to build in ubuntu 14.04. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJV1NhVAAoJEPDWzxLwi2tABToH/2W7AzJw+RDn/bgmFPfsQMhQ aNjz4HMDqq30zlYRkVsNy4v9J6Ry+jqG8j6DG/R2xhRgVYW1DW256DxveAwulLWn de1f6JWdY5OkQHhZCf/g0nbt981Ia+GWf0D5zbWwPBAfpPQZVAS0/xGZ4aBkXNio Hi+kshpiU5MLLOPXQTCjxKQ8DJg55iVisOcYlJ8eAqfr65icJk+lBI7PofczxtZu oypDstSiQi/7ZYVpMIIyjkuJcnS3TEuXXUotPeQzaCGQ2b2G82Tbuih5G/6uf5fS 9xkCDXvRfXHJHlecL6MRY2v17nOHH6ZaOBj7Czy/kr7DXndeIF6gPxaoD2si1bs= =mTul -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
yes, it will certainly build You might need to get some at-spi packages from an extra repo, let me check on something and I'll post back. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 04:06:31PM -0300 > Hi Lucas. > In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is possible to build in > ubuntu 14.04. > > A while back I posted a message in the linux-accessivel list with > instructions on how to build orca from git. > > On 08/19/2015 02:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote: > >Folks, > > > >Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the > >experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome. > > > >I am running 14.04. > > > >Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm > >to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox > >version? > > > >I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the experience > >is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA. > > > > > > -- > José Vilmar Estácio de Souza > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
Hi Lucas. In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is possible to build in ubuntu 14.04. A while back I posted a message in the linux-accessivel list with instructions on how to build orca from git. On 08/19/2015 02:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote: Folks, Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome. I am running 14.04. Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox version? I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA. -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca and firefox
16.2 or 16.3 I think it is, but you can build the latest development version if you want to test even newer stuff. There are instructions on the orca website isit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Once in a while something important does not work well for a few hours or even a day or two, but I've never had to downgrade to an older build for the things I do using orca from git master in well over a year. That being said, as far as your firefox experience at the moment if you have orca 16 you should be doing fine, and I certainly agree that there is a huge difference in orca with firefox comparing current versions with those from a year and a half ago. Enjoy -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Lucas Radaelli wrote: Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 02:14:10PM -0300 > Folks, > > Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the > experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome. > > I am running 14.04. > > Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm > to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox > version? > > I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the experience is > very close to what we get on windows with NVDA. > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
orca and firefox
Folks, Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome. I am running 14.04. Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox version? I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Firefox
Hi I am using Ubuntu 14.04 and just updted firefox a couple late last week. When I try to run it now I get some form of crash report that I can't read and if I look at a console it is thrwing multiple disk read errors. I have run fsck and it tells me my disk is fine. Any ideas on how I can find the real problem or how to resolve this one? Thanks Tom -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
URLs in FireFox with 14.04
Hi, In Ubuntu 14.04, and FireFox, a strange thing is happening. I copied my favorites folder from my XP computer and pasted it into the desktop. When I open one of the links, for my web eMail page, FireFox keeps opening tabs, like over 30 tabs, and all I hear repeating from Orca is Firefox about It repeats that for every tab it opens. I go to close it and FireFox asks me if I want to close all the number of tabs it has opened. If I open FireFox from the desktop, it is okay, it goes to my home page. Is there a reason that I cannot use URLs copied from Windows? Thanks. Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Ubuntu 12.04 and firefox
Is the latest version of firefox usable under 12.04 with the standard orca that comes with 12.04? I know firefox 25 a.d 26 had issues and thought I would ask about 27 before I install it and have to go through the work of reverting. Thanks Tom -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
update with 14.04 and firefox
Hello list, Yes I did the update and firefox is now working! so far 14.04 is looking pretty good. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ubuntu 14.04 and firefox accessibility
i haven't done any updates today. I will run them in a little bit. Thanks for your time and help. On 03/04/2014 03:37 PM, Rob Whyte wrote: > Hi, > > I performed updates last night and it was resolved. > Have you updated your system? > > Rob > > On 05/03/14 07:22, Jonathan Nadeau wrote: >> Well I'm running 14.04 and the problem is not solved on my install. I >> also found the command that I thought I needed to run and it was this >> command >> >> gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true >> >> This did not fix the issue. i'm sure it is something simple I just don't >> know what the problem could be. Thanks for your time and help. >> >> >>On 03/04/2014 02:59 PM, Rob Whyte wrote: >>> H, >>> the problem has been resolved and pretty sure was to do with gtk support >>> with Orca. >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> On 05/03/14 00:43, Jonathan Nadeau wrote: >>>> Hello list, >>>> >>>> I know 14.04 is still in beta but I installed it and found this problem. >>>> Everything seems to work fine but the only problem is that firefox isn't >>>> accessible with Orca. once I open firefox Orca stops speaking. Orca >>>> works on the desktop and with other applications but not Firefox. This >>>> problem happened quite a few releases ago and I'm assuming this is the >>>> same problem. i can't remember the command that fixed it it was >>>> something to do with gconftool-2 I think. If this is the problem can >>>> someone remind me what that command was? Thanks for your time and help. >>>> -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ubuntu 14.04 and firefox accessibility
Hi, I performed updates last night and it was resolved. Have you updated your system? Rob On 05/03/14 07:22, Jonathan Nadeau wrote: > Well I'm running 14.04 and the problem is not solved on my install. I > also found the command that I thought I needed to run and it was this > command > > gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true > > This did not fix the issue. i'm sure it is something simple I just don't > know what the problem could be. Thanks for your time and help. > > >On 03/04/2014 02:59 PM, Rob Whyte wrote: >> H, >> the problem has been resolved and pretty sure was to do with gtk support >> with Orca. >> >> Rob >> >> On 05/03/14 00:43, Jonathan Nadeau wrote: >>> Hello list, >>> >>> I know 14.04 is still in beta but I installed it and found this problem. >>> Everything seems to work fine but the only problem is that firefox isn't >>> accessible with Orca. once I open firefox Orca stops speaking. Orca >>> works on the desktop and with other applications but not Firefox. This >>> problem happened quite a few releases ago and I'm assuming this is the >>> same problem. i can't remember the command that fixed it it was >>> something to do with gconftool-2 I think. If this is the problem can >>> someone remind me what that command was? Thanks for your time and help. >>> -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ubuntu 14.04 and firefox accessibility
Well I'm running 14.04 and the problem is not solved on my install. I also found the command that I thought I needed to run and it was this command gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true This did not fix the issue. i'm sure it is something simple I just don't know what the problem could be. Thanks for your time and help. On 03/04/2014 02:59 PM, Rob Whyte wrote: > H, > the problem has been resolved and pretty sure was to do with gtk support > with Orca. > > Rob > > On 05/03/14 00:43, Jonathan Nadeau wrote: >> Hello list, >> >> I know 14.04 is still in beta but I installed it and found this problem. >> Everything seems to work fine but the only problem is that firefox isn't >> accessible with Orca. once I open firefox Orca stops speaking. Orca >> works on the desktop and with other applications but not Firefox. This >> problem happened quite a few releases ago and I'm assuming this is the >> same problem. i can't remember the command that fixed it it was >> something to do with gconftool-2 I think. If this is the problem can >> someone remind me what that command was? Thanks for your time and help. >> > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ubuntu 14.04 and firefox accessibility
H, the problem has been resolved and pretty sure was to do with gtk support with Orca. Rob On 05/03/14 00:43, Jonathan Nadeau wrote: > Hello list, > > I know 14.04 is still in beta but I installed it and found this problem. > Everything seems to work fine but the only problem is that firefox isn't > accessible with Orca. once I open firefox Orca stops speaking. Orca > works on the desktop and with other applications but not Firefox. This > problem happened quite a few releases ago and I'm assuming this is the > same problem. i can't remember the command that fixed it it was > something to do with gconftool-2 I think. If this is the problem can > someone remind me what that command was? Thanks for your time and help. > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
ubuntu 14.04 and firefox accessibility
Hello list, I know 14.04 is still in beta but I installed it and found this problem. Everything seems to work fine but the only problem is that firefox isn't accessible with Orca. once I open firefox Orca stops speaking. Orca works on the desktop and with other applications but not Firefox. This problem happened quite a few releases ago and I'm assuming this is the same problem. i can't remember the command that fixed it it was something to do with gconftool-2 I think. If this is the problem can someone remind me what that command was? Thanks for your time and help. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
Hi, I reported with Firefox 25.0 experienced problem with Ubuntu 12.04 related in Bugzilla, link is following: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=940862 If anybody would like writing other testcases with experienced a11y related issues with not exists Firefox 24.0, feel free write a comment on the linked report. My short experiences newest Ubuntu 13.10 version Firefox 25.0 usage with Orca more better, but this is not surprising: newest a11y related components, newest Orca, etc. Hopefuly anyway possible fixing this issue under Ubuntu 12.04 without need hold back Firefox 24.0 until end of Ubuntu 12.04 support, or until the next LTS version is ready. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
Yes, this is all of course very true, and sometimes it's actually easier for a person with a stable life/employment to set asside a few hours a week to contribute to something important. In Spanish a word for will/willingness is voluntad. It takes a certain level of will, and a willingness to forgo some perhaps more pleasurable activities to do significant work on an open source accessability project; to be a volenteer! Making a commitment to give a lot of ones time aand energy to something that may not have any short to medium term payoff is not something that everyone can do, especially someone who has children to support or other first teer responsibilities. On the other hand people who are able choose to give their all to a project and make huge differences in the lives of many every day, not many people percentage wise, but examples are not hard to find when you look. In our case all we have to do is start our computers and we should be reminded of a personal hero of mine, Tony Sales. Other people with the right skill set can and do make a difference over the long haul like Luke who gives of his personal time along with his payed work on Ubuntu accessability. It's about the coming together of time/mental and emotional energy, the right skill set, and some vollenteer spirit. If one has the latter, and some of one of the first two then they are certainly part of the potential team down the line. If you have a bit of all three and are not already doing so, what are you waiting for? Find where you fit in and start working! Enough anylizing and cheerleading. It's time that I get some stuff out of the way so I can work on my skill set! -- On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 04:17:13PM -0600, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I agree with this, but I do have a few caveats. First, looking for a > job, whether you're between jobs or between projects, can be a > pretty time consuming effort requiring a lot of hard work and a lot > of mental toughness. Someone in this position may not have a lot of > time to do some programming for free. Second, a programmer looking > for that next job or that next project does have to sharpen their > skills and make themselves as employable as possible. Although > working in the accessibility infrastructure and working on an open > source project like Orca or NVDA would definitely build some > marketable skills, it isn't going to do as much as contributing to > some popular open source project like OpenStack will do for > someone's employability. I'm not discouraging anyone from working on > AT or contributing to Orca; I'm just saying a blind programmer > between jobs or projects may have very legitimate reasons to spend > some of that time working on something else or in some other area. > > On 11/03/2013 11:11 AM, B. Henry wrote: > >Of course. The other part of this includes more willingness to back such > >projects financially, but the other angle to consider is that so many blind > >people are unemployed now. Even if they become pretty good programmers > >there's not likely going to be work for them all, and even less traditional > >fulltime work. While one is looking for work they could also sharpen their > >skills working on the kind of software projects we're talking about here. > >Others may be content to dedicate some window of time to this work living on > >some kind of disability paymentss, and on the more extreme edge of the > >conversation there's the alt economy model. Whether its possible to create > >a group with the critical mass of talent and deverse skillset needed to be > >sustainable is not one I'm willing to bet on; but I would certainly consider > >donating some labor to a person who has made my computer more usable above > >and beyond the very limited money I can donate to open-source projects. > >While I don't see a revolution in the making, maybe we can see a significant > >evolution in thinking and behavior where more users of FOS-access-tech > >donate to developers. While there's a long way to go, NVDA has made notable > >progress getting donations from end-users over the last few years. > >Another thing to consider is that many programmers work on a project basis, > >not a salary payed by one company. This means that even very good coders > >with contacts and good work habits are likely to have some down time between > >projects that they could dedicate to accessibility work, or they could > >choose to give a couple weeks here and there to something that interests > >them. > >Get a job with Google and use your discressionary time to improve > >g-access...lolThere's nomagic bullet, but I think many of us can organize > >our lives better on an individual basis, and we can perhaps create some > >support systems making this easier. > >-- > >B.H. > >On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 04:44:35PM -0500, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > >>I agree with this sentiment, but one challenge I see is that it's > >>hard to make a livin
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
I agree with this, but I do have a few caveats. First, looking for a job, whether you're between jobs or between projects, can be a pretty time consuming effort requiring a lot of hard work and a lot of mental toughness. Someone in this position may not have a lot of time to do some programming for free. Second, a programmer looking for that next job or that next project does have to sharpen their skills and make themselves as employable as possible. Although working in the accessibility infrastructure and working on an open source project like Orca or NVDA would definitely build some marketable skills, it isn't going to do as much as contributing to some popular open source project like OpenStack will do for someone's employability. I'm not discouraging anyone from working on AT or contributing to Orca; I'm just saying a blind programmer between jobs or projects may have very legitimate reasons to spend some of that time working on something else or in some other area. On 11/03/2013 11:11 AM, B. Henry wrote: Of course. The other part of this includes more willingness to back such projects financially, but the other angle to consider is that so many blind people are unemployed now. Even if they become pretty good programmers there's not likely going to be work for them all, and even less traditional fulltime work. While one is looking for work they could also sharpen their skills working on the kind of software projects we're talking about here. Others may be content to dedicate some window of time to this work living on some kind of disability paymentss, and on the more extreme edge of the conversation there's the alt economy model. Whether its possible to create a group with the critical mass of talent and deverse skillset needed to be sustainable is not one I'm willing to bet on; but I would certainly consider donating some labor to a person who has made my computer more usable above and beyond the very limited money I can donate to open-source projects. While I don't see a revolution in the making, maybe we can see a significant evolution in thinking and behavior where more users of FOS-access-tech donate to developers. While there's a long way to go, NVDA has made notable progress getting donations from end-users over the last few years. Another thing to consider is that many programmers work on a project basis, not a salary payed by one company. This means that even very good coders with contacts and good work habits are likely to have some down time between projects that they could dedicate to accessibility work, or they could choose to give a couple weeks here and there to something that interests them. Get a job with Google and use your discressionary time to improve g-access...lolThere's nomagic bullet, but I think many of us can organize our lives better on an individual basis, and we can perhaps create some support systems making this easier. -- B.H. On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 04:44:35PM -0500, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I agree with this sentiment, but one challenge I see is that it's hard to make a living doing accessibility programming. If a blind person has the aptitude and becomes a programmer then they may have a hard time getting paid to do any accessibility related coding. Of course they could do this in their spare time, but then their time is constrained and it takes a while to come up to speed on some of this access technology infrastructure. On 11/01/2013 07:39 PM, B. Henry wrote: Ah_men! Sadly, neither drugs nor prayer seem to be able to give many blind folk that; and I think we all know of more than a couple bind folks who have both 1 or more degrees and above average inteligence who are unemployed. One alternative is for more of those who have some potential as far as logical thinking and such, and a fair math back ground to learn to code. It's a longer and harder row to hoe, but if enough folks got in to the nuts and bolts of the tech they use so much then most of the money could be taken out of the equation. I have a terrible math background, am over 50 with responsibilities, and a few not very promising hours looking at beginners programing tutorials; so, I''m probably not our boy, but there must be othrs who could really do something. I'm still hoping I can say I've done something real to advance Linux accessibility before I die, but this may not be as concrete as I'd like. On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 07:24:25PM -0400, Doug Smith wrote: No, the thing we need is to become those rich visionaries. How in infinity can we do it? What is the over night, have nothing to have it all quick fix approach to getting blind people into areas of work where they will have real incomes and earn that kind of money so that each of us might be willing to put that few million into it. Instead of waiting for someone else to do it, how in the known universe can we become those people? I'm serious. Any possible answers that might b
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one more clue, we are looking for a competent IOS developer. who is blind looking for work. email me directly at gabe.v...@commtechusa.net Thanks Gabe Vega CEO Commtech LLC Web: http://commtechusa.net FaceBook: http://facebook.com/commtechllc Twitter: http://twitter.com/commtechllc Email: i...@commtechusa.net Phone: (888) 351-5289 ext. 710 Fax: (480) 535-7649 On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:11 AM, B. Henry wrote: > Of course. The other part of this includes more willingness to back such > projects financially, but the other angle to consider is that so many blind > people are unemployed now. Even if they become pretty good programmers > there's not likely going to be work for them all, and even less traditional > fulltime work. While one is looking for work they could also sharpen their > skills working on the kind of software projects we're talking about here. > Others may be content to dedicate some window of time to this work living on > some kind of disability paymentss, and on the more extreme edge of the > conversation there's the alt economy model. Whether its possible to create a > group with the critical mass of talent and deverse skillset needed to be > sustainable is not one I'm willing to bet on; but I would certainly consider > donating some labor to a person who has made my computer more usable above > and beyond the very limited money I can donate to open-source projects. > While I don't see a revolution in the making, maybe we can see a significant > evolution in thinking and behavior where more users of FOS-access-tech donate > to developers. While there's a long way to go, NVDA has made notable progress > getting donations from end-users over the last few years. > Another thing to consider is that many programmers work on a project basis, > not a salary payed by one company. This means that even very good coders with > contacts and good work habits are likely to have some down time between > projects that they could dedicate to accessibility work, or they could choose > to give a couple weeks here and there to something that interests them. > Get a job with Google and use your discressionary time to improve > g-access...lolThere's nomagic bullet, but I think many of us can organize our > lives better on an individual basis, and we can perhaps create some support > systems making this easier. > -- > B.H. > > > On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 04:44:35PM -0500, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> I agree with this sentiment, but one challenge I see is that it's >> hard to make a living doing accessibility programming. If a blind >> person has the aptitude and becomes a programmer then they may have >> a hard time getting paid to do any accessibility related coding. Of >> course they could do this in their spare time, but then their time >> is constrained and it takes a while to come up to speed on some of >> this access technology infrastructure. >> >> >> On 11/01/2013 07:39 PM, B. Henry wrote: >>> Ah_men! >>> >>> Sadly, neither drugs nor prayer seem to be able to give many blind folk >>> that; and I think we all know of more than a couple bind folks who have >>> both 1 or more degrees and above average inteligence who are unemployed. >>> >>> One alternative is for more of those who have some potential as far as >>> logical thinking and such, and a fair math back ground to learn to code. >>> It's a longer and harder row to hoe, but if enough folks got in to the nuts >>> and bolts of the tech they use so much then most of the money could be >>> taken out of the equation. >>> I have a terrible math background, am over 50 with responsibilities, and a >>> few not very promising hours looking at beginners programing tutorials; so, >>> I''m probably not our boy, but there must be othrs who could really do >>> something. >>> I'm still hoping I can say I've done something real to advance Linux >>> accessibility before I die, but this may not be as concrete as I'd like. >>> On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 07:24:25PM -0400, Doug Smith wrote: No, the thing we need is to become those rich visionaries. How in infinity can we do it? What is the over night, have nothing to have it all quick fix approach to getting blind people into areas of work where they will have real incomes and earn that kind of money so that each of us might be willing to put that few million into it. Instead of waiting for someone else to do it, how in the known universe can we become those people? I'm serious. Any possible answers that might be doable for all of us? -- Doug Smith: Special Agent S.W.A.T Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology Forever serving our LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> >> -- >> Christopher (CJ
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
Of course. The other part of this includes more willingness to back such projects financially, but the other angle to consider is that so many blind people are unemployed now. Even if they become pretty good programmers there's not likely going to be work for them all, and even less traditional fulltime work. While one is looking for work they could also sharpen their skills working on the kind of software projects we're talking about here. Others may be content to dedicate some window of time to this work living on some kind of disability paymentss, and on the more extreme edge of the conversation there's the alt economy model. Whether its possible to create a group with the critical mass of talent and deverse skillset needed to be sustainable is not one I'm willing to bet on; but I would certainly consider donating some labor to a person who has made my computer more usable above and beyond the very limited money I can donate to open-source projects. While I don't see a revolution in the making, maybe we can see a significant evolution in thinking and behavior where more users of FOS-access-tech donate to developers. While there's a long way to go, NVDA has made notable progress getting donations from end-users over the last few years. Another thing to consider is that many programmers work on a project basis, not a salary payed by one company. This means that even very good coders with contacts and good work habits are likely to have some down time between projects that they could dedicate to accessibility work, or they could choose to give a couple weeks here and there to something that interests them. Get a job with Google and use your discressionary time to improve g-access...lolThere's nomagic bullet, but I think many of us can organize our lives better on an individual basis, and we can perhaps create some support systems making this easier. -- B.H. On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 04:44:35PM -0500, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I agree with this sentiment, but one challenge I see is that it's > hard to make a living doing accessibility programming. If a blind > person has the aptitude and becomes a programmer then they may have > a hard time getting paid to do any accessibility related coding. Of > course they could do this in their spare time, but then their time > is constrained and it takes a while to come up to speed on some of > this access technology infrastructure. > > > On 11/01/2013 07:39 PM, B. Henry wrote: > >Ah_men! > > > >Sadly, neither drugs nor prayer seem to be able to give many blind folk > >that; and I think we all know of more than a couple bind folks who have both > >1 or more degrees and above average inteligence who are unemployed. > > > >One alternative is for more of those who have some potential as far as > >logical thinking and such, and a fair math back ground to learn to code. > >It's a longer and harder row to hoe, but if enough folks got in to the nuts > >and bolts of the tech they use so much then most of the money could be taken > >out of the equation. > >I have a terrible math background, am over 50 with responsibilities, and a > >few not very promising hours looking at beginners programing tutorials; so, > >I''m probably not our boy, but there must be othrs who could really do > >something. > >I'm still hoping I can say I've done something real to advance Linux > >accessibility before I die, but this may not be as concrete as I'd like. > >On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 07:24:25PM -0400, Doug Smith wrote: > >>No, the thing we need is to become those rich visionaries. How in infinity > >>can we do it? What is the over night, have nothing to have it all quick > >>fix approach to getting blind people into areas of work where they will > >>have real incomes and earn that kind of money so that each of us might be > >>willing to put that few million into it. Instead of waiting for someone > >>else to do it, how in the known universe can we become those people? > >> > >> > >> > >>I'm serious. Any possible answers that might be doable for all of us? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Doug Smith: Special Agent > >>S.W.A.T Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology > >>Forever serving our LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST. > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > >>Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > >>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > >> > >> > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at Gmail > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
I agree with this sentiment, but one challenge I see is that it's hard to make a living doing accessibility programming. If a blind person has the aptitude and becomes a programmer then they may have a hard time getting paid to do any accessibility related coding. Of course they could do this in their spare time, but then their time is constrained and it takes a while to come up to speed on some of this access technology infrastructure. On 11/01/2013 07:39 PM, B. Henry wrote: Ah_men! Sadly, neither drugs nor prayer seem to be able to give many blind folk that; and I think we all know of more than a couple bind folks who have both 1 or more degrees and above average inteligence who are unemployed. One alternative is for more of those who have some potential as far as logical thinking and such, and a fair math back ground to learn to code. It's a longer and harder row to hoe, but if enough folks got in to the nuts and bolts of the tech they use so much then most of the money could be taken out of the equation. I have a terrible math background, am over 50 with responsibilities, and a few not very promising hours looking at beginners programing tutorials; so, I''m probably not our boy, but there must be othrs who could really do something. I'm still hoping I can say I've done something real to advance Linux accessibility before I die, but this may not be as concrete as I'd like. On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 07:24:25PM -0400, Doug Smith wrote: No, the thing we need is to become those rich visionaries. How in infinity can we do it? What is the over night, have nothing to have it all quick fix approach to getting blind people into areas of work where they will have real incomes and earn that kind of money so that each of us might be willing to put that few million into it. Instead of waiting for someone else to do it, how in the known universe can we become those people? I'm serious. Any possible answers that might be doable for all of us? -- Doug Smith: Special Agent S.W.A.T Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology Forever serving our LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
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I hadn't yet looked at any educational sites other than Saylor. I noticed immediately that they have nearly complete fields of study, and that enrollment is fully open; courses can be taken at any time. In fact, enrollment in a course is only required in order to take a final exam. I also like their free as in freedom philosophy. I understand that they aren't able to adhere to it 100% of the time, but they do adhere to it wherever possible. They also seem to use mostly open standards, with the possible exception of PDF, which I have been told is considered to be an open standard these days, even though Adobe still controls the format as far as I knoe. I am able to read the files for the most part, but some still have some layout issues that are making them difficult to read. Everything related to the website appears to be fullly accessible to Orca using Firefox, although I haven't yet tried taking a final exam. Much of the website is powered by WordPress, and the EPortfolio that keeps track of enrolled and completed corses I believe is using Moodle. Some of the course materials may be available in WikiBooks, so I'll try that as an option as well. I plan to also at least take a look at EDX and Coursera, which also sound like good places to get a free or otherwise much more affordable college education. None of them offer free degree programs, but most sites like these appear to have a way to "upgrade" to a degree or certificate for a very low price compared to the price of a degree or certificate program at a university. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk/ -- "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie" -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
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Have you tried EDX, Coursera or any of those famous ones? They claim to be in favor of open standards. Fernando On 11/02/2013 12:36 AM, Kyle wrote: I'm becoming a big fan of The Saylor Foundation http://saylor.org/ I like their philosophy as well as most of the licensing they've been able to use for their course materials. I just wish they would offer additional formats other than PDF for their reading materials. The first text I read had no issues, but I can't seem to get through the Introduction to Software History, which is required reading, but somehow gets jumbled up by the second or third page during conversion. I was able to read the HTML version of the same document, but the PDF version says it's modified from the original, but I'm not sure how it's modified. Both Evince and Firefox are jumbling it a bit, as are pdftotext and pdftohtml. I really do like the concept though, and hope either their text or our reading tools will improve soon. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk/ -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
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I am not meaning to hijack this thread, but I just want to thank you, Kyle, for sharing about Saylor; I have not heard about this mine of educational materials. I cannot afford to go back to school right now due to my current circumstances, but I want to continue learning. This looks like a great opportunity. Thanks again! On 11/01/2013 07:36 PM, Kyle wrote: I'm becoming a big fan of The Saylor Foundation http://saylor.org/ I like their philosophy as well as most of the licensing they've been able to use for their course materials. I just wish they would offer additional formats other than PDF for their reading materials. The first text I read had no issues, but I can't seem to get through the Introduction to Software History, which is required reading, but somehow gets jumbled up by the second or third page during conversion. I was able to read the HTML version of the same document, but the PDF version says it's modified from the original, but I'm not sure how it's modified. Both Evince and Firefox are jumbling it a bit, as are pdftotext and pdftohtml. I really do like the concept though, and hope either their text or our reading tools will improve soon. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk/ -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
I'm becoming a big fan of The Saylor Foundation http://saylor.org/ I like their philosophy as well as most of the licensing they've been able to use for their course materials. I just wish they would offer additional formats other than PDF for their reading materials. The first text I read had no issues, but I can't seem to get through the Introduction to Software History, which is required reading, but somehow gets jumbled up by the second or third page during conversion. I was able to read the HTML version of the same document, but the PDF version says it's modified from the original, but I'm not sure how it's modified. Both Evince and Firefox are jumbling it a bit, as are pdftotext and pdftohtml. I really do like the concept though, and hope either their text or our reading tools will improve soon. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk/ -- "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie" -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
Nuke degrees. I am not the best at math, but I have real savant skills when it comes to anything with a digital component. I am working with tutorials to try and catch up on the stuff that I didn't have access to in school. I like coding, in fact, it's what I actually got this machine for, and I hope to put it to good use one day soon. As for math, it was my worst skill in school, but having all the math tools I have on here seems to solve that problem. Once more, a few learning ally textbooks and some net-based tutorials can take care of the problem. You're right, I think that, if we can take most or all the money out of these tech situations, the best possibility for blind people to be employed would be to form our own society, build some kind of generation ship and attempt to colonize another star. This would keep the pervasive low expectations out of the equation as well and we would have only ourselves to blame if something went wrong. Thanks. -- Doug Smith: Special Agent S.W.A.T Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology Forever serving our LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
Ah_men! Sadly, neither drugs nor prayer seem to be able to give many blind folk that; and I think we all know of more than a couple bind folks who have both 1 or more degrees and above average inteligence who are unemployed. One alternative is for more of those who have some potential as far as logical thinking and such, and a fair math back ground to learn to code. It's a longer and harder row to hoe, but if enough folks got in to the nuts and bolts of the tech they use so much then most of the money could be taken out of the equation. I have a terrible math background, am over 50 with responsibilities, and a few not very promising hours looking at beginners programing tutorials; so, I''m probably not our boy, but there must be othrs who could really do something. I'm still hoping I can say I've done something real to advance Linux accessibility before I die, but this may not be as concrete as I'd like. On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 07:24:25PM -0400, Doug Smith wrote: > No, the thing we need is to become those rich visionaries. How in infinity > can we do it? What is the over night, have nothing to have it all quick > fix approach to getting blind people into areas of work where they will have > real incomes and earn that kind of money so that each of us might be > willing to put that few million into it. Instead of waiting for someone else > to do it, how in the known universe can we become those people? > > > > I'm serious. Any possible answers that might be doable for all of us? > > > > > -- > Doug Smith: Special Agent > S.W.A.T Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology > Forever serving our LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST. > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
No, the thing we need is to become those rich visionaries. How in infinity can we do it? What is the over night, have nothing to have it all quick fix approach to getting blind people into areas of work where they will have real incomes and earn that kind of money so that each of us might be willing to put that few million into it. Instead of waiting for someone else to do it, how in the known universe can we become those people? I'm serious. Any possible answers that might be doable for all of us? -- Doug Smith: Special Agent S.W.A.T Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology Forever serving our LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
You hear! That's important! You'll also hear that droid accessibility sucks form others, and I discount both of these as I don't have access to a modern droid device running a recent version to t4est. Besides this, the other points that CJ makes are also important. There may or may not not be more Google employees directly working on android, I don't have a clue and don't care enough to Google the answer up, but the first attempts at android were not accessible as I recall, and when some accessibility enhancements were added it was still a far cry from what existed for the dreaded iphone, which was not accessible in its first versions. Just to point out even another difference consider that there are currently at least 900,000,000 nine hundred million, android devices activated in the world, and estimates of Ubuntu usage seem to be around 20,000,000, twenty million. Even if those figures are off by more than one would imagine logically, we are talking tens of millions compared with hundreds of millions. HKK, you are someone I respect and like from what little I know, so please understand I'm attacking your logic, not you. I, and even occasionally my very level headed CJ once in a while make off the cuff statements that don't hold water when put to the test...lol If Ubuntu captures significant market share, and I'm not even saying they have to be #3 overall in the mobile market, they certainly will need to make a strong effort to have a nicely accessible touch interface. I even think there's bit of room for criticism for their accessibility work now, but on the other hand it's ahead of other Linux distros. I am hoping for the best, won't be surprised much by pretty bad, and am expecting something in between to tell the truth as far as Ubuntu accessibility goes in the next year or so. Maybe by 2016's lts we'll have well integrated ccessible touch...not betting more than a drink or home cooked meal on it though! -- B.H. n 13-10-30 04:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I don't understand the analogy with Android. Android runs on smart > phones and tablets and a few other devices. It doesn't run on laptops, > desktops or servers. It isn't clear what the future relationship will be > between Android and ChromeOS. > > Canonical has 500 employees, the last I knew, and not all of these were > working on Ubuntu development. How many employees does Google have and > how many developers are working on Android? Canonical is not making a > profit. What is Google's profit and the other companies contributing to > Android? > > As the saying goes, I think comparing Ubuntu to Android is like > comparing apples to oranges. > > On 10/30/2013 05:00 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: >> Well, I see that Ubuntu wishes to be on tabs or phones or all other such >> machines, but I don't clearly see that the vission has accessibility >> that seriously. >> These days I hear that android is quite improved on accessibility and >> has done so pritty quickly. >> This is what it means by being serious about accessibility. >> happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> On 10/31/2013 01:21 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>> On 10/30/2013 02:19 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting > interim releases. Luke I agree. It's a shame that Canonical is so focused on replacing GNOME with Unity, replacing Wayland with Mir, building its own cloud deployment solution, putting Ubuntu on every device, that it only has a single developer to spare for access, which is why I've asked for years what meaningful action can be done about that. Even Android pushes out accessibility improvements faster than does Ubuntu these days. But there just doesn't seem like enough interest from Canonical--too busy pandering to their able-bodied users I suppose--so I'm at a loss. The issue isn't resources. It's priorities. >>> >>> I agree it's a shame there aren't more resources for accessibility, >>> and it is obviously a case of priorities and not resources. I don't >>> agree though that it's a case of Canonical just pandering to their >>> able bodied users. Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical have a vision of an >>> OS that encompasses smart phones, tablets, laptops, desktops and >>> servers. I want to see this vision succeed, and I want to see ubuntu >>> rival Windows, Android and the Apple OS's. I think this will benefit >>> all computer users, including the blind. Last I knew, Canonical was >>> trying to accomplish this, and build their commercial business, with >>> around 500 employees and has yet to make a profit. >>> >>> I agree we should be clambering for more resources for accessibility >>> and we should be demanding that accessibility be a higher priority, >>> but I don't think that we should be asking Canonical to give up it's >>> vision to accomplish this or that we should mis characterize thes
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
So, Does anyone really think that if Ubuntu accessibility was say as good as anything out there now in all areas where it's now behind that there’s be enough blind people willing to spend any money to help defray the cost of accessibility work? Hell no! Blind people are probably a tighter lot than others in their economic position, but maybe that's subjective BS. At any rate, if Ubuntu doesn't improve and distinguish itself from other distros they won't even have the resources they now have for accessibility or anything else. Tell your local vocrehab agency, national government, or favorite blind charity to donate some money to Linux accessibility work, anywhere, orca, Canonical, Debian, how bout just a few months of a good accessibility ware coder's time to get xfce fully working with Orca??? Be real. Maybe someone can talk the Gates foundation in to donating a few million to Linux accessibility? Google clearly has the money to do much more re accessibility than they ever have, nd could apply pressure as well as possitive influances on those who twek android for their devices and droid ap devs so tht there's a more or less consistent accessible experience for all. Relly, all we need is one fairly rich visionary to put up say ten million dollars, nothing in the overall scheme of things, towards Linux accessibility and we would see miracles, but even with tht until accessibility is baked in to softwre from the get go we'll hve problms. Education must also change so that anyone going through a formal programing course will have accessible interfaces stressed from day one. -- B.H. On 13-10-30 04:00 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: > Well, I see that Ubuntu wishes to be on tabs or phones or all other such > machines, but I don't clearly see that the vission has accessibility > that seriously. > These days I hear that android is quite improved on accessibility and > has done so pritty quickly. > This is what it means by being serious about accessibility. > happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > On 10/31/2013 01:21 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> On 10/30/2013 02:19 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >>> On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting interim releases. Luke >>> >>> I agree. It's a shame that Canonical is so focused on replacing GNOME >>> with Unity, replacing Wayland with Mir, building its own cloud >>> deployment solution, putting Ubuntu on every device, that it only has a >>> single developer to spare for access, which is why I've asked for years >>> what meaningful action can be done about that. Even Android pushes out >>> accessibility improvements faster than does Ubuntu these days. But there >>> just doesn't seem like enough interest from Canonical--too busy >>> pandering to their able-bodied users I suppose--so I'm at a loss. >>> >>> The issue isn't resources. It's priorities. >> >> I agree it's a shame there aren't more resources for accessibility, >> and it is obviously a case of priorities and not resources. I don't >> agree though that it's a case of Canonical just pandering to their >> able bodied users. Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical have a vision of an >> OS that encompasses smart phones, tablets, laptops, desktops and >> servers. I want to see this vision succeed, and I want to see ubuntu >> rival Windows, Android and the Apple OS's. I think this will benefit >> all computer users, including the blind. Last I knew, Canonical was >> trying to accomplish this, and build their commercial business, with >> around 500 employees and has yet to make a profit. >> >> I agree we should be clambering for more resources for accessibility >> and we should be demanding that accessibility be a higher priority, >> but I don't think that we should be asking Canonical to give up it's >> vision to accomplish this or that we should mis characterize these >> efforts as just pandering to their sighted users. >> > > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
It is just that it is an ICT and as far as android is concerned, for what ever it is ment, they take accessibility seriously. Ubuntu is also an ICT (software/ OS of any kind is an important ICT component ). So it is natural to think of accessibility and compare. yet I agree that Google may have more employees. That is one point we must take into consideration. perhaps it is llike comparing a smaller oringe to a bigger one. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 10/31/2013 03:43 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I don't understand the analogy with Android. Android runs on smart phones and tablets and a few other devices. It doesn't run on laptops, desktops or servers. It isn't clear what the future relationship will be between Android and ChromeOS. Canonical has 500 employees, the last I knew, and not all of these were working on Ubuntu development. How many employees does Google have and how many developers are working on Android? Canonical is not making a profit. What is Google's profit and the other companies contributing to Android? As the saying goes, I think comparing Ubuntu to Android is like comparing apples to oranges. On 10/30/2013 05:00 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Well, I see that Ubuntu wishes to be on tabs or phones or all other such machines, but I don't clearly see that the vission has accessibility that seriously. These days I hear that android is quite improved on accessibility and has done so pritty quickly. This is what it means by being serious about accessibility. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 10/31/2013 01:21 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: On 10/30/2013 02:19 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting interim releases. Luke I agree. It's a shame that Canonical is so focused on replacing GNOME with Unity, replacing Wayland with Mir, building its own cloud deployment solution, putting Ubuntu on every device, that it only has a single developer to spare for access, which is why I've asked for years what meaningful action can be done about that. Even Android pushes out accessibility improvements faster than does Ubuntu these days. But there just doesn't seem like enough interest from Canonical--too busy pandering to their able-bodied users I suppose--so I'm at a loss. The issue isn't resources. It's priorities. I agree it's a shame there aren't more resources for accessibility, and it is obviously a case of priorities and not resources. I don't agree though that it's a case of Canonical just pandering to their able bodied users. Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical have a vision of an OS that encompasses smart phones, tablets, laptops, desktops and servers. I want to see this vision succeed, and I want to see ubuntu rival Windows, Android and the Apple OS's. I think this will benefit all computer users, including the blind. Last I knew, Canonical was trying to accomplish this, and build their commercial business, with around 500 employees and has yet to make a profit. I agree we should be clambering for more resources for accessibility and we should be demanding that accessibility be a higher priority, but I don't think that we should be asking Canonical to give up it's vision to accomplish this or that we should mis characterize these efforts as just pandering to their sighted users. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
I don't understand the analogy with Android. Android runs on smart phones and tablets and a few other devices. It doesn't run on laptops, desktops or servers. It isn't clear what the future relationship will be between Android and ChromeOS. Canonical has 500 employees, the last I knew, and not all of these were working on Ubuntu development. How many employees does Google have and how many developers are working on Android? Canonical is not making a profit. What is Google's profit and the other companies contributing to Android? As the saying goes, I think comparing Ubuntu to Android is like comparing apples to oranges. On 10/30/2013 05:00 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Well, I see that Ubuntu wishes to be on tabs or phones or all other such machines, but I don't clearly see that the vission has accessibility that seriously. These days I hear that android is quite improved on accessibility and has done so pritty quickly. This is what it means by being serious about accessibility. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 10/31/2013 01:21 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: On 10/30/2013 02:19 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting interim releases. Luke I agree. It's a shame that Canonical is so focused on replacing GNOME with Unity, replacing Wayland with Mir, building its own cloud deployment solution, putting Ubuntu on every device, that it only has a single developer to spare for access, which is why I've asked for years what meaningful action can be done about that. Even Android pushes out accessibility improvements faster than does Ubuntu these days. But there just doesn't seem like enough interest from Canonical--too busy pandering to their able-bodied users I suppose--so I'm at a loss. The issue isn't resources. It's priorities. I agree it's a shame there aren't more resources for accessibility, and it is obviously a case of priorities and not resources. I don't agree though that it's a case of Canonical just pandering to their able bodied users. Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical have a vision of an OS that encompasses smart phones, tablets, laptops, desktops and servers. I want to see this vision succeed, and I want to see ubuntu rival Windows, Android and the Apple OS's. I think this will benefit all computer users, including the blind. Last I knew, Canonical was trying to accomplish this, and build their commercial business, with around 500 employees and has yet to make a profit. I agree we should be clambering for more resources for accessibility and we should be demanding that accessibility be a higher priority, but I don't think that we should be asking Canonical to give up it's vision to accomplish this or that we should mis characterize these efforts as just pandering to their sighted users. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
Well, I see that Ubuntu wishes to be on tabs or phones or all other such machines, but I don't clearly see that the vission has accessibility that seriously. These days I hear that android is quite improved on accessibility and has done so pritty quickly. This is what it means by being serious about accessibility. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 10/31/2013 01:21 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: On 10/30/2013 02:19 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting interim releases. Luke I agree. It's a shame that Canonical is so focused on replacing GNOME with Unity, replacing Wayland with Mir, building its own cloud deployment solution, putting Ubuntu on every device, that it only has a single developer to spare for access, which is why I've asked for years what meaningful action can be done about that. Even Android pushes out accessibility improvements faster than does Ubuntu these days. But there just doesn't seem like enough interest from Canonical--too busy pandering to their able-bodied users I suppose--so I'm at a loss. The issue isn't resources. It's priorities. I agree it's a shame there aren't more resources for accessibility, and it is obviously a case of priorities and not resources. I don't agree though that it's a case of Canonical just pandering to their able bodied users. Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical have a vision of an OS that encompasses smart phones, tablets, laptops, desktops and servers. I want to see this vision succeed, and I want to see ubuntu rival Windows, Android and the Apple OS's. I think this will benefit all computer users, including the blind. Last I knew, Canonical was trying to accomplish this, and build their commercial business, with around 500 employees and has yet to make a profit. I agree we should be clambering for more resources for accessibility and we should be demanding that accessibility be a higher priority, but I don't think that we should be asking Canonical to give up it's vision to accomplish this or that we should mis characterize these efforts as just pandering to their sighted users. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
+1 on issues vs priority. I am thinking myself that if gnome shell gets a bit more accessible in next few months and if there is a good talking installer for some other distro, I will go away from Ubuntu and shift to that distro full time. Just tryed Sonar and would wait for manjaro to become stable enough for use. I find gnome shell 3.8 very accessible, except taht there is nothing like heads up display and the apps when loaded are not announced. Notifications such as wifi connections connected or disconnected is not announced. So, even now I can give 8 out of 10 to gnome shell accessibility and keeping more hopes on improvements over there rather than Unity. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 10/31/2013 12:49 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting interim releases. Luke I agree. It's a shame that Canonical is so focused on replacing GNOME with Unity, replacing Wayland with Mir, building its own cloud deployment solution, putting Ubuntu on every device, that it only has a single developer to spare for access, which is why I've asked for years what meaningful action can be done about that. Even Android pushes out accessibility improvements faster than does Ubuntu these days. But there just doesn't seem like enough interest from Canonical--too busy pandering to their able-bodied users I suppose--so I'm at a loss. The issue isn't resources. It's priorities. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > > If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting > > interim releases. Luke > > I agree. It's a shame that Canonical is so focused on replacing GNOME > with Unity, replacing Wayland with Mir, building its own cloud > deployment solution, putting Ubuntu on every device, that it only has a > single developer to spare for access, which is why I've asked for years > what meaningful action can be done about that. Even Android pushes out > accessibility improvements faster than does Ubuntu these days. But there > just doesn't seem like enough interest from Canonical--too busy > pandering to their able-bodied users I suppose--so I'm at a loss. > > The issue isn't resources. It's priorities. > > There are more people than Canonical working with the different Ubuntu based distributions. One way is to get engaged in the communities. As for most of the community driven projects I would say that resources is a main factor that one need to prioritise the work you put in. Myself, I got a full time job, learning the ropes on how to be a parent and juggle my time with a lot of activities. When I get the opportunity to contribute to a project (Ubuntu Studio in my case) I have to prioritise where to put my small contribution. For the 13.10 release I tried to get in accessibility in the ISOs, but due to not having enough time (resource) I could not do enough testing to make it work and the result was that speech with orca was not supported on the ISOs (though brltty and orca are). /Jimmy -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
On 10/30/2013 02:19 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting interim releases. Luke I agree. It's a shame that Canonical is so focused on replacing GNOME with Unity, replacing Wayland with Mir, building its own cloud deployment solution, putting Ubuntu on every device, that it only has a single developer to spare for access, which is why I've asked for years what meaningful action can be done about that. Even Android pushes out accessibility improvements faster than does Ubuntu these days. But there just doesn't seem like enough interest from Canonical--too busy pandering to their able-bodied users I suppose--so I'm at a loss. The issue isn't resources. It's priorities. I agree it's a shame there aren't more resources for accessibility, and it is obviously a case of priorities and not resources. I don't agree though that it's a case of Canonical just pandering to their able bodied users. Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical have a vision of an OS that encompasses smart phones, tablets, laptops, desktops and servers. I want to see this vision succeed, and I want to see ubuntu rival Windows, Android and the Apple OS's. I think this will benefit all computer users, including the blind. Last I knew, Canonical was trying to accomplish this, and build their commercial business, with around 500 employees and has yet to make a profit. I agree we should be clambering for more resources for accessibility and we should be demanding that accessibility be a higher priority, but I don't think that we should be asking Canonical to give up it's vision to accomplish this or that we should mis characterize these efforts as just pandering to their sighted users. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting > interim releases. Luke I agree. It's a shame that Canonical is so focused on replacing GNOME with Unity, replacing Wayland with Mir, building its own cloud deployment solution, putting Ubuntu on every device, that it only has a single developer to spare for access, which is why I've asked for years what meaningful action can be done about that. Even Android pushes out accessibility improvements faster than does Ubuntu these days. But there just doesn't seem like enough interest from Canonical--too busy pandering to their able-bodied users I suppose--so I'm at a loss. The issue isn't resources. It's priorities. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 09:14:48AM PDT, Nolan Darilek wrote: FWIW, the upgrade went fine under 13.04, no problems whatsoever. That's my biggest criticism with only making LTS releases accessible. The accessibility infrastructure moves on and improves, and browsers rapidly acquire new and game-changing capabilities like Web RTC/Web Audio at a rapid rate. Yet, unless I misunderstand, 12.04 is still stuck on an older AT-SPI that may break when a browser upgrades. If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting interim releases. Do we know if this is fixed with a newer at-spi? I too wish we had more resources to make the interim release, as well as the LTS releases more accessible, but I've seen accessibility regressions with Firefox and thunderbird even with newer versions of the accessibility stack. Luke -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 09:14:48AM PDT, Nolan Darilek wrote: > FWIW, the upgrade went fine under 13.04, no problems whatsoever. That's > my biggest criticism with only making LTS releases accessible. The > accessibility infrastructure moves on and improves, and browsers rapidly > acquire new and game-changing capabilities like Web RTC/Web Audio at a > rapid rate. Yet, unless I misunderstand, 12.04 is still stuck on an > older AT-SPI that may break when a browser upgrades. If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting interim releases. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
FWIW, the upgrade went fine under 13.04, no problems whatsoever. That's my biggest criticism with only making LTS releases accessible. The accessibility infrastructure moves on and improves, and browsers rapidly acquire new and game-changing capabilities like Web RTC/Web Audio at a rapid rate. Yet, unless I misunderstand, 12.04 is still stuck on an older AT-SPI that may break when a browser upgrades. On 10/30/2013 10:56 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:04:59PM PDT, Hammer Attila wrote: >> Hi Luke, >> >> Usual I get this crash after I launched Firefox 25.0 and doed some >> heading level navigations and scrolling, for example following webpages: >> http://vakbarat.index.hu > Ok, mind filing a bug in launchpad against at-spi2-core, and attach the crash > to that bug? I'll then get the retracers to update the bug with proper > tracebacks so we can take this upstream more easily. > > Thanks > > Luke > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:04:59PM PDT, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hi Luke, > > Usual I get this crash after I launched Firefox 25.0 and doed some > heading level navigations and scrolling, for example following webpages: > http://vakbarat.index.hu Ok, mind filing a bug in launchpad against at-spi2-core, and attach the crash to that bug? I'll then get the retracers to update the bug with proper tracebacks so we can take this upstream more easily. Thanks Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
Hi Luke, Usual I get this crash after I launched Firefox 25.0 and doed some heading level navigations and scrolling, for example following webpages: http://vakbarat.index.hu Official way how can possible reverting this upgrade? After upgrade I doed unfortunately sudo apt-get clean command. Now I searched the Mozilla ftp site the Firefox 24.0 officialy tarball and installed the 24.0 release in the /opt directory. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:13:41PM PDT, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hi, > > I tried renaming my .mozilla folder with an another name to determine an > old configuration preference producing this issue or not, and testing > this issue an another machine. Unfortunately the .mozilla folder > temporary rename is not helped. > I looked the /var/crash folder after I try navigating some webpages, and > I found the at-spi2-core service is crashed. > I attaching the crash file. Are you able to regularly reproduce the crash? If so, does the crash occur at login or when you attempt to load firefox? Thanks for the crash file, I'm just unpacking it now and getting a backtrace from it. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
What happened with Firefox 25?
Hi, This day morning Firefox upgraded with latest 25.0 release my Ubuntu 12.04 machine. After the upgrade, the browser me machine is unusable with Orca. An example webpage with I experienced this issue: http://www.origo.hu/hirmondo/techbazis/internet/20131029-4g-re-gyur-a-telekom.html This webpage unable to scroll the opened articles with line by line. When I press CTRL+HOME keystroke and a down arrow, the caret jumping wrong place. Anybody experienced similar issues? How to fix this issues? Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Accessibility related questions with Firefox 4
Hy, Luke, sorry the lot of questions, but I not see clear following problem related: In Firefox 4 have following bug, with I think not fixed yet (status not showed this): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619002 In Orca list I see following letter, the thread is Firefox 4.0 Rc2 initialy inaccessible with Orca: "Hi Fer. > > This is a know issue that comes from a limitation on the atk signal, > > affecting those toolkits sending the delete events in a asyncronous > > way (Gecko and Java for example, but not gtk): > > > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619002 > > > > Now we have landed new signals on atk to fix this, and probably we > > will take advantage of it on the next firefox 4 point release. > > However, currently the fix for atk/at-spi will be only included on > > GNOME 3. If there are many people still using GNOME 2.32 + firefox, we > > can try to push an updated atk/at-spi for GNOME 2.32 including the > > fix. It is my understanding that at least several distros will not be making the switch to AT-SPI2 in their upcoming release. Please push it. Thanks! --joanie" Not clear me when next Firefox 4.0 release will be containing the required fix for bug 619002, I need upgrade for at-spi2 to use full adwantages the another atk components related fixes, for example if I want hear the backspaced characters in an edit box?? Now the backspaced characters prewious is not echoed with Firefox 4 with Orca screen reader, this is an important function of course. With Natty now containing Firefox 4.0 Rc2, but will be containing required atk fixes? Natty classic gnome session is based for GNOME 2.32 or based with GNOME 3.0? What will be happening for example oldest popular releases (Maverick and Lucid) when Ubuntu Mozilla maintainer team will be replace Firefox 3.6 with 4.0 release with oldest releases? This situation need upgrading distro level with gnome-orca package, but possible upgrading another components with distro level to not lost accessibility functions after this big change is doing with Ubuntu Mozilla team? For example, now Natty containing at-spi 1.32.0 release. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Luke, final Ubuntu Natty releasing with Firefox 4.0?
Hy, Luke, now Natty containing Firefox 4.0 b10 I think. In Firefox 4.0 now have an important accessibility related bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619002 This bug producing if an user write an Edit box with Firefox and press Backspace key, he not hear the deleted character if using Orca. If this bug is not fixed before final Mozilla Firefox 4.0 release is published, possible doing an easy choose method to possible choosing old Firefox 3.6 release with normal Ubuntu repository? I think this is producing problems now because Firefox locale extension files live in language-pack-xx-base packages, for example 3.6 hungarian locale extension files live in language-pack-hu-base package. What time period supported Mozilla Firefox 3.6 release? For example if a Firefox upgrade happening with prewious Ubuntu releases if 3.6 release is not supported, and this bug is not fixed yet, users lost this very default function (spokening last deleted character) if using Orca. Now for example Lucid have following similar packages with showing Firefox 3.6 source package: firefox-3.5 firefox-3.6 firefox What possible doing if this bug is not fixed before final release? Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] Call for C++ coders make Orca work better with Firefox
Hello, As a suggestiom, have you tried to talk to folks who coded the vbuffers to firefox for NVDA? I know that there are two diferent operating systems here and such and such, but if the firefox is coded the same way (I do think it is so cinse it wouldm be hard to maintain two diferent flavours of code), then perhaps a good part of the c++ v buffer implemented in NVDA could be used to process pages in firefox to orca. Sinse the two readers are written in python, chances are even greater that some code interchange might be possible. Marlon 2010/6/18, Bill Cox : > If there are C++ coders on this list who hate the problems when using > Orca with Firefox, please consider joining my Firefox debugging team. > We have many bugs to track down, and by myself, it will take many > months. Together, I bet we could fix Firefox in weeks. > > Feel free to reply to this post, or to me personally. > > Thanks, > Bill > ___ > orca-list mailing list > orca-l...@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -- When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows," people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, for free." Linus Torvalds -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Call for C++ coders make Orca work better with Firefox
If there are C++ coders on this list who hate the problems when using Orca with Firefox, please consider joining my Firefox debugging team. We have many bugs to track down, and by myself, it will take many months. Together, I bet we could fix Firefox in weeks. Feel free to reply to this post, or to me personally. Thanks, Bill -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Firefox daily build broken
Firefox 3.6 is not very accessible. I may have to down-grade to Firefox 3.5 for the Vinux 3.0 release based on Lucid, but I'd rather have all our users testing the newer firefox code. I've compiled and installed code directly from Mozilla's mercurial repository for 3.7 (Minefield), and it works well. I'm writing this e-mail at gmail.com with this browser. However, last night's build from the Mozilla Team PPA locks up whenever I go to gmail.com. I've also think that the problem is due to the patches applied by Ubuntu, though when I build from the Mozilla source, I did a debug build, so they are different. Where would the right place be to send an e-mail or file a bug against Ubuntu's Mozilla team's daily build of Firefox 3.7? Thanks, Bill -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: I think I fixed Firefox
Thanks, Luke. I will file a bug in launchpad. Unfortunately, while my patch fixes the worst structural navigation problems, there are still major issues. The Bookmarks dialog becomes inaccessible, and there are some other more minor navigation goobers. I think I'll need to dive into the code in more depth. Bill On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 07:11:35AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: >> I've tracked down the structural navigation issue with Firefox and >> Orca, and submitted a patch to the Mozilla guys. I would like to go >> ahead and patch firefox and make it available through the Vinux PPA, >> so Vinux users can start testing it. Hopefully there aren't any more >> bugs in Orca navigation, and hopefully I haven't created any new ones! >> I'm keeping my fingers crossed. If it works out ok, I'd love to see >> Ubuntu Lucid's firefox get fixed as well. The bug report is at: > > If you would like to see this addressed in Ubuntu, please file a bug against > the firefox package in Launchpad. > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: I think I fixed Firefox
On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 07:11:35AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: > I've tracked down the structural navigation issue with Firefox and > Orca, and submitted a patch to the Mozilla guys. I would like to go > ahead and patch firefox and make it available through the Vinux PPA, > so Vinux users can start testing it. Hopefully there aren't any more > bugs in Orca navigation, and hopefully I haven't created any new ones! > I'm keeping my fingers crossed. If it works out ok, I'd love to see > Ubuntu Lucid's firefox get fixed as well. The bug report is at: If you would like to see this addressed in Ubuntu, please file a bug against the firefox package in Launchpad. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] Firefox patch, testing and further work
Thanks. As I said in my message, a dumb question HEHEHE. It is installed. As a first observation, if I press h key and the tab key, the link focused is a link before the header. I am not sure if it happens in all pages but can be reproduced at http://schuchert.wikispaces.com/JPA+Tutorial+1+-+Getting+Started On 04/04/2010 10:41 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy Jose, > > Of course Yes, this is easy. > You do following command if the vinux/vinux-lucid repository is not > containing with your Lucid system: > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:vinux/vinux-lucid > After this, run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade command. > With PPA repositoryes the build farm always maked an i386 and a 64bit > build with uploaded packages if the debian/control file the architecture > field is any. > > Attila > > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] Firefox patch, testing and further work
Hy Jose, Of course Yes, this is easy. You do following command if the vinux/vinux-lucid repository is not containing with your Lucid system: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:vinux/vinux-lucid After this, run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade command. With PPA repositoryes the build farm always maked an i386 and a 64bit build with uploaded packages if the debian/control file the architecture field is any. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] Firefox patch, testing and further work
Hi, Perhaps a dumb question, but is it possible to test in my 64-bit ubuntu lucid installation? Thanks. On 04/04/2010 07:38 AM, Bill Cox wrote: > I've uploaded a version of Firefox to the Vinux/Ubuntu Lucid PPA. > Anyone testing Vinux 3.0 Beta should run 'sudo apt-get update; sudo > apt-get upgrade'. This should install the patched version of firefox > for testing with Orca. > > Unfortunately, there are still some navigation issues with Orca. I > find it works a bit better with "Grab focus on objects" disabled in > the Firefox settings. If someone more familiar with Orca could look > into the problems on the Python end, I'll support them on the Firefox > C++ end. One example of a navigation goober is using Control+Tab to > switch to another tab. Orca remains on the previous tab, and > navigation keys just read old tab. Users more familiar with Orca than > me could probably find more issues. > > Thanks, > Bill > ___ > Orca-list mailing list > orca-l...@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Firefox patch, testing and further work
I've uploaded a version of Firefox to the Vinux/Ubuntu Lucid PPA. Anyone testing Vinux 3.0 Beta should run 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade'. This should install the patched version of firefox for testing with Orca. Unfortunately, there are still some navigation issues with Orca. I find it works a bit better with "Grab focus on objects" disabled in the Firefox settings. If someone more familiar with Orca could look into the problems on the Python end, I'll support them on the Firefox C++ end. One example of a navigation goober is using Control+Tab to switch to another tab. Orca remains on the previous tab, and navigation keys just read old tab. Users more familiar with Orca than me could probably find more issues. Thanks, Bill -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] I think I fixed Firefox
Hi, When I click in the link to access the bug, the bug is not shown and I receive the following: You apparently didn't choose any bugs to modify. On 04/02/2010 05:11 PM, Bill Cox wrote: > I've tracked down the structural navigation issue with Firefox and > Orca, and submitted a patch to the Mozilla guys. I would like to go > ahead and patch firefox and make it available through the Vinux PPA, > so Vinux users can start testing it. Hopefully there aren't any more > bugs in Orca navigation, and hopefully I haven't created any new ones! > I'm keeping my fingers crossed. If it works out ok, I'd love to see > Ubuntu Lucid's firefox get fixed as well. The bug report is at: > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/process_bug.cgi > > Bill > ___ > Orca-list mailing list > orca-l...@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
I think I fixed Firefox
I've tracked down the structural navigation issue with Firefox and Orca, and submitted a patch to the Mozilla guys. I would like to go ahead and patch firefox and make it available through the Vinux PPA, so Vinux users can start testing it. Hopefully there aren't any more bugs in Orca navigation, and hopefully I haven't created any new ones! I'm keeping my fingers crossed. If it works out ok, I'd love to see Ubuntu Lucid's firefox get fixed as well. The bug report is at: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/process_bug.cgi Bill -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
Hi Luke, A slightly different twist. Those who wish to add the daily build from mozzila are welcome to do so. If, perhaps, mozilla took a bit more care over accessibility issues being caused by their releases, the Ubuntu team wouldn't have to 'wipe their bottoms for them' and you wouldn't have to listen to "The last Firefox release broke accessibility". The Ubuntu team have a lot of things to focus on, the Firefox team at Mozilla have only Firefox to worry about. Just my $0.02 Keep up the good work. Regards, Phill. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:08:35AM EST, Jacob Schmude wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Look, I don't mean to offend, but you do realize what things like this > > do to the impression of Ubuntu's accessibility and the commitment the > > Ubuntu team supposedly has to it? They're not even willing to take steps > > to fix Firefox for accessibility. The web browser, a core program we > *need*. > > May I suggest that if anyone wants to push Canonical to focus on more > accessibility, then you need to tell them. I can only do so much, and as > part of my job, I do as much as I damn well can. > > Please also bare in mind there is a development process to follow, and > especially for a long term support release, we need to be very clear cut > about when we stop accepting new upstream versions of a package. Because my > duties are not all working on accessibility, I can only do so much to try > and get things to the latest version, and even I miss things from time to > time, particularly if they are only mentioned on a mailing list. > > I am happy to go through with people, to explain how the development > release process works, but you have to realise there is a lot more at stake > than just accessibility when updating big packages, particularly this late > in the release. > > I would love to work on accessibility more than I do now, however I have > other important duties, and I think the only way things can change is if the > people who care about accessibility other than myself, make it known to > Canonical that they feel accessibility is important. > > Oh and no offence taken. > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:08:35AM EST, Jacob Schmude wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Look, I don't mean to offend, but you do realize what things like this > do to the impression of Ubuntu's accessibility and the commitment the > Ubuntu team supposedly has to it? They're not even willing to take steps > to fix Firefox for accessibility. The web browser, a core program we *need*. May I suggest that if anyone wants to push Canonical to focus on more accessibility, then you need to tell them. I can only do so much, and as part of my job, I do as much as I damn well can. Please also bare in mind there is a development process to follow, and especially for a long term support release, we need to be very clear cut about when we stop accepting new upstream versions of a package. Because my duties are not all working on accessibility, I can only do so much to try and get things to the latest version, and even I miss things from time to time, particularly if they are only mentioned on a mailing list. I am happy to go through with people, to explain how the development release process works, but you have to realise there is a lot more at stake than just accessibility when updating big packages, particularly this late in the release. I would love to work on accessibility more than I do now, however I have other important duties, and I think the only way things can change is if the people who care about accessibility other than myself, make it known to Canonical that they feel accessibility is important. Oh and no offence taken. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Look, I don't mean to offend, but you do realize what things like this do to the impression of Ubuntu's accessibility and the commitment the Ubuntu team supposedly has to it? They're not even willing to take steps to fix Firefox for accessibility. The web browser, a core program we *need*. On 03/31/2010 06:04 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:13:03AM EST, Jacob Schmude wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi >> Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using >> it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to >> some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks >> weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come >> across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work >> fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 >> that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as >> it should be? > > Probably not, and likely won't be. Firefox is a complex beast, and since its > tightly integrated into the desktop, its a big process to update, so much so > that we have a dedicated firefox maintainer on the desktop team. Since we are > coming up to our second beta release, there is little to no chance that the > latest firefox 3.6 updates will get in, at least before final release. New > minor upstream releases of 3.6 may get in post release however, so keep a > look out. > > Luke > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuzx+MACgkQybLrVJs+Wi6x2QCggc6ZzTuWrsxHeaIX4YLnMtwu 4EwAmgLoiJeOOXzXewCgqsxar+XT/WeF =W6+T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:13:03AM EST, Jacob Schmude wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi > Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using > it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to > some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks > weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come > across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work > fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 > that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as > it should be? Probably not, and likely won't be. Firefox is a complex beast, and since its tightly integrated into the desktop, its a big process to update, so much so that we have a dedicated firefox maintainer on the desktop team. Since we are coming up to our second beta release, there is little to no chance that the latest firefox 3.6 updates will get in, at least before final release. New minor upstream releases of 3.6 may get in post release however, so keep a look out. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok, that explains it. That's not the latest gecko revision, the latest is 1.9.2.2. My Firefox 3.6.2 revision reads as follows (note I'm using the Mozilla binary): Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.2) Gecko/20100316 Firefox/3.6.2 Sounds like Lucid's Firefox packages need updating. On 03/31/2010 12:44 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi, > I am running the following version: > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100308 > Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6 > > > On 03/31/2010 01:13 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: > Hi > Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using > it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to > some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks > weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come > across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work > fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 > that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as > it should be? > That being said, for Firefox 3.5 you can download a Mozilla binary for > i386 from: > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases > They don't have compiled binaries for 64-bit though and I have no idea > why. If you're using 64-bit Linux you'll have to compile it yourself or > else find an unofficial compiled version. > > hth > > > On 03/31/2010 10:41 AM, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: > >>>> Hi all, >>>> I'd like to use the 3.5 version of firefox at ubuntu 10.04 instead of >>>> version 3.6. >>>> In my opinion the accessibility with version 3.6 is not very good. >>>> What can I do? >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuzmbgACgkQybLrVJs+Wi7eKgCggLAyzoiQN/jiuOsbfAaEIO/5 wCQAnijBxhfoqSvbBsNV8/zBbirrfMif =YguK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
Hi, I am running the following version: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100308 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6 On 03/31/2010 01:13 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi > Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using > it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to > some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks > weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come > across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work > fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 > that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as > it should be? > That being said, for Firefox 3.5 you can download a Mozilla binary for > i386 from: > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases > They don't have compiled binaries for 64-bit though and I have no idea > why. If you're using 64-bit Linux you'll have to compile it yourself or > else find an unofficial compiled version. > > hth > > > On 03/31/2010 10:41 AM, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I'd like to use the 3.5 version of firefox at ubuntu 10.04 instead of >> version 3.6. >> In my opinion the accessibility with version 3.6 is not very good. >> What can I do? >> Thanks. >> >> >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAkuzdI4ACgkQybLrVJs+Wi4rcgCeP8eCTZAxTAE77fCJRnvesQLn > y0MAnRgWSmvo6uJByVr650g+D/t0Rq2x > =sRIJ > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as it should be? That being said, for Firefox 3.5 you can download a Mozilla binary for i386 from: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases They don't have compiled binaries for 64-bit though and I have no idea why. If you're using 64-bit Linux you'll have to compile it yourself or else find an unofficial compiled version. hth On 03/31/2010 10:41 AM, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: > Hi all, > I'd like to use the 3.5 version of firefox at ubuntu 10.04 instead of > version 3.6. > In my opinion the accessibility with version 3.6 is not very good. > What can I do? > Thanks. > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuzdI4ACgkQybLrVJs+Wi4rcgCeP8eCTZAxTAE77fCJRnvesQLn y0MAnRgWSmvo6uJByVr650g+D/t0Rq2x =sRIJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
Jose, I absolute agree your letter. For example, try ubuntuzilla package (not part with Ubuntu repository). The possible download links is following: http://ubuntuzilla.com/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/ubuntuzilla/4.4.3/ I think Ubuntuzilla supports switch you another firefox versions, but I don't no support oldest version switch. Luke, Not possible do choose way in 10.04 with Firefox 3.6 and oldest good work Firefox-3.5.8 version? In 3.5.8 version accessibility support is better with 3.6 version. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
firefox 3.6 under lucid
Hi all, I'd like to use the 3.5 version of firefox at ubuntu 10.04 instead of version 3.6. In my opinion the accessibility with version 3.6 is not very good. What can I do? Thanks. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
What will be happen Firefox accessibility problems with Ubuntu Lucid?
Dear List, This letter I already sent with Vinux mailing list, but I would like ask your hints: Unfortunately, Firefox 3.6 version containing some possible important accessibility related bugs, with now yet not full fixed: For example: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=608149 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609890 Of course this is absolute not Joanmarie mistake. For example, because the second bug is present, the headings list extension is not working correct, see my last comment the second bugreport, we found what the last date version when this extension is working right. I don't no Mozilla Developers when fixing this second bug. Another very disturb issue is following with Firefox 3.6: When I launch Firefox with normal way or a shortcut, impossible to navigate a webpage the arrow keys before I press a Tab key or F5 key, possible the webpage caret is not focused? Another problematic issue is Firefox running with sudo command. When I do this with Firefox 3.6, Firefox is inaccessible with Orca Screen Reader. I don't no what the best strategy with this situation, this is a complex and difficult problem. We downgrade Firefox with 3.5.8 Karmic release after Lucid install? For example, this version is working absolute right? Yesterday I try play this with my PPA, the result is relative good, but unfortunately for example new Firefox PPA package does'nt containing 3.5.8 hungarian translations, I don't no what package generating this translation files. But, Firefox working absolute right with Orca. :-):-) For example, in Lucid have firefox-3.5 package, but ofcourse depending following Firefox version: firefox-3.5 | 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu6 | lucid/universe | all So, I think normal simple way now impossible to toggle back Firefox 3.5 version. Of course, possible install Firefox 3.5.8 version with ubuntuzilla package (not present with Ubuntu repository), but this is difficulting later maintenance when Mozilla developers later fixing this bugs, and if I known right, Ubuntuzilla does'nt install 64 bit version with a 64 bit system. Ubuntu developers what can possible handle this situation? Possible do an official maintenanced method to users possible switch back Firefox 3.5.8 version if want? Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: After this day morning update, Firefox 3.6 webbrowser does'nt opening new webpages. This is true?
Dear List, If anybody see this prewious described problem after early morning installed updates, please try install actual updates again. My machine Firefox 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu4 package version is solved this problem, awailable with normal official update. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
After this day morning update, Firefox 3.6 webbrowser does'nt opening new webpages. This is true?
Dear List, This day morning I installed actual Lucid updates. The upgrade process running without any error. Firefox 3.6 is updated yesterday afternoon and this morning. After the this morning upgrade process is finished, I see following interesting problem, I am very surprised: When I launched Firefox, press CTRL+l or Ctrl+t key combination, write an url and press Enter key, nothing happen, Firefox does'nt open new webpage. When I running firefox with terminal for example firefox www.ubuntu.com command, Firefox is correct opening the webpage. Before this day morning upgrade, Firefox 3.6 absolute working right. This problem is true? Any Lucid users possible confirming this problem before I write not true bugreport? I am very hope this problem present my system only, and only reinstall is need. Actual installed Firefox package version is 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 my system. Please anybody help if possible, but please you be careful, Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: what is going on with firefox
Hi Mike, Take a look at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=608149 On 02/12/2010 04:07 PM, Mike Coulombe wrote: > Hi, I haven't used firefox in linux for some time. When I tried to use it in > the latest live cd of lucid today I found it didn't work as well as it has in > the past. For example, the arrow keys didn't read as much information. Does > anyone know if a fix is in the works? > Thanks Mike. > > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
what is going on with firefox
Hi, I haven't used firefox in linux for some time. When I tried to use it in the latest live cd of lucid today I found it didn't work as well as it has in the past. For example, the arrow keys didn't read as much information. Does anyone know if a fix is in the works? Thanks Mike. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
transfering bookmarks in firefox
Hi, I want to transfer bookmarks from my computer to a version of firefox I have on a jumpdrive. Does anyone know how to do this? Firefox has a import, but it only offers to do this from Internet explorer. I want to get the bookmarks from another computer that has firefox. Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090228-0, 02/28/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox
2009/1/28 mike : > Hi, is there a easy way to delete bookmarks in firefox? In windows for > internet sites you save this can be done by In FFx 2.0 bookmarks -> organise bookmarks and you can then select all in the various lists and delete them. Steve Lee -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
firefox
Hi, is there a easy way to delete bookmarks in firefox? In windows for internet sites you save this can be done by simply removing them in the favorites directory. But I don't see anything like this in firefox. Thanks Mike. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
more problems with firefox
Hi, I noticed today that not only can't I use the arrow keys in firefox. It now says html content like it used to do when it wasn't accessible. Is anyone else having this problem? Mike. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
I'm having a problem with firefox
Hi, I haven't needed firefox for a few days. But when I tried to use it in intrepid this morning I was no longer able to brows using the arrow keys. Has anyone else had this problem? X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081003-0, 10/03/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Mike. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: a question about firefox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 07:30:44AM EST, mike wrote: > Hi, maybe I have been using the wrong key in firefox for this. When on a page > I can usually use backspace or alt left arrow to go back to the previous page. > But today I have been on some sights where this didn't work. Is there another > key you are suppose to use to get to the previous web page? Not that I know of, ALT + left arrow works for me. Luke -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIsgZZjVefwtBjIM4RAuQXAJ4vRGdLnOkterDSfYqgYM5BT08rFgCeNhH6 1KSuYjhrFU7gXxfBI+guEpg= =ErhG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
a question about firefox
Hi, maybe I have been using the wrong key in firefox for this. When on a page I can usually use backspace or alt left arrow to go back to the previous page. But today I have been on some sights where this didn't work. Is there another key you are suppose to use to get to the previous web page? Mike. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Firefox, Lynx, Links
>>>>> "JM" == Jan Mura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JM> Hello, JM> it's strange I know but I am not able to work with Orca and JM> Firefox. As I read somewhere in Help it shuld work similarly to JM> any other Screen reader. So after pressing h you should jump to JM> header and so. But nothing works for me. Do you know where a JM> mistake could be? Maybe I'm in awrong mode or something. Which version of firefox you use? It works with firefox 3.0. very well. For help of key navigation you can find on http://live.gnome.org/Orca JM> Also does anyone use Lynx or Links in console? Now I'm browsing JM> with Edbrowse. I use w3m direct in Emacs and Emacs with speechd-el. For most good text sites works very well. You can use Emacs in gnome, so you have in one place Emacs with w3m, dired (file manager), bbdb (small database for addresses), gnus (news and mail reader), calculator, etc. etc. In other windows you can have firefox or another gtk applications. -- Jan Buchal Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 Mob: (00420) 608023021 -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Firefox, Lynx, Links
Hello, it's strange I know but I am not able to work with Orca and Firefox. As I read somewhere in Help it shuld work similarly to any other Screen reader. So after pressing h you should jump to header and so. But nothing works for me. Do you know where a mistake could be? Maybe I'm in awrong mode or something. Also does anyone use Lynx or Links in console? Now I'm browsing with Edbrowse. Thanks Jan Mura -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:27:01AM EST, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, In windows I see the update option in the help menu of firefox. > I recently looked for this in the linux version, and didn't find it. Is the > update option in a different place, or is it missing. I thought I did find it > there a few weeks ago, but it definitely isn't there now. If you are using firefox from the Ubuntu repositories, it has been removed for the simple reason that you use the repositories to get updates, and using firefox's update function without using the repository would break things. Luke -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH0wZpjVefwtBjIM4RAhPDAJ4kw7iGmPIBqSnG0MtNgaIWapZUggCdHJ3a lt7jRwPZCzJPunGjtV1jLYY= =RaAF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
firefox question
Hi, In windows I see the update option in the help menu of firefox. I recently looked for this in the linux version, and didn't find it. Is the update option in a different place, or is it missing. I thought I did find it there a few weeks ago, but it definitely isn't there now. Mike. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox
Yes you can save as text, although the interface is a bit confusing. In the Save Page As dialogue, change the name to end in .txt not .html. This doesn't change the format, but when you save the file Ubuntu should recognize such files as text files. Next tab to the "Browse for other folders" toggle button and press it. This opens a load of controls, mainly for a selecting where to save your file. But amongst them is a a select combobox control for the file format. As you tab through it will be read as one of: 1. Web Page, complete 2. Web Page, HTML Only 3. Text Files 4. All Files You want to change it so that Text Files is selected. I found that sometimes when I changed the control it didn't read the new value, but pressing Orca Key + Return (to say Where I Am) always revealed the current value. If this proves difficult, there are loads of other ways of accomplishing the same thing. e.g.: 1) Select All, then Copy and Paste into GEdit and save the resultant text. 2) Save the webpage to disk as HTML then use a program like html2text to convert it. (To install that, just sudo apt-get install html2text .) 3) Convert the page to text with an online converter such as http://cgi.w3.org/cgi-bin/html2txt, then save the result. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, I went to save a web page in firefox and didn't see the option to save it > as a txt file. > Is this possible or does firefox only save as html. > It did say save as, so I would assume different formats are possible. The > name was the only thing I saw using the tab that could be changed. > Mike. > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
firefox
Hi, I went to save a web page in firefox and didn't see the option to save it as a txt file. Is this possible or does firefox only save as html. It did say save as, so I would assume different formats are possible. The name was the only thing I saw using the tab that could be changed. Mike. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
firefox
Hi, has anyone else noticed todays version of firefox doesn't seem to work very well. I went to www.doom9.org, and using the arrow keys had a very hard time getting orca to read. I did the insert f12 and it didn't help much. Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000739-1, 05/10/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox
mike coulombe writes ("firefox"):
> Hi, does anyone have the link to the nightly builds of firefox.
> I seem to have lost the one I had.
Hi Mike,
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/
Best regards, Lukas
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Hi, does anyone have the link to the nightly builds of firefox. I seem to have lost the one I had. Mike. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox and another question.
> My other question is in terminal at times when running what I thought was a > program > for example userlist I get a message the program isn't installed, > and that it can be installed using apt-get followed by a name. > At times this name is different than the program. Is there a way to save this > output to a text file so it can be red letter by letter. > Sometimes the name is not clear. There is a command called 'script'. When you type 'script' in a terminal window and press return, any activity in the terminal window is recorded. Press Ctrl+D when you are done, and the data is saved in a file called 'typescript'. Will -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
