Re: Sonar GNU Linux merges with Vinux
Yes. Vinux will have one more release based on Ubuntu 16.04. Sent from the bridge -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Sonar GNU Linux merges with Vinux
Many thanks Rob and also for your hard work! Milton Op 15-03-17 om 13:01 schreef Rob Whyte: Hey there Milton, nice to see you about. Yes I guess it will be Vinux 7 indeed. We are still in early stages of planning. We have secured servers etc to develop and build packages on and are planning our build process. Basically trying to get our ducks in a row as one would say. Stay tuned to our support list. Subscribe by mailing vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com cheers Rob On 15/03/17 22:59, Milton wrote: Hi Rob, Great news! Will Vinux 7 based on Fedora and when will the release be planned? Milton Op 15-03-17 om 12:53 schreef Rob Whyte: Hi Werwoelfchen, It is our hope to complete our Ubuntu 16.04.2 release of Vinux 6 and support that whilst we work on a Fedora release. Hope this addresses your query sufficiently. Cheers Rob On 15/03/17 22:49, Werwoelfchen wrote: Hi, Will the Vinux project finish the Ubuntu support? Regards, Wolfram Am 15.03.2017 um 12:21 schrieb Rob Whyte: Sonar merges with the Vinux Project. http://www.sonargnulinux.com and http://www.vinuxproject.org team up. Exciting news for the Sonar and Vinux communities. A special meeting was held early 2017 between core Sonar and Vinux team members. It was agreed that the two projects will be working together toward common goals. Whilst Vinux has recently indicated to move the distro base from Ubuntu to Fedora, several meetings have been held between Vinux and Sonar core members with an agreement taking place toward common goals that will freshen up both projects. Some teams have been expanded, and new teams have been created within Vinux, with the influx of Sonar developers and users. Project leader Rob Whyte said that the merge will minimize fragmentation and combine resources. Most importantly, having a larger active community will allow us to develop some visions we have had for some time. Going forward in 2017, Vinux hopes to become a not for profit organization and to step up what we can deliver to our loyal user base. Under the new arrangements, Vinux has agreed to stem into the ARM architecture, offering exciting new possibilities, and has also committed to again provide Vinux hardware, focusing primarily on ARM devices. Though mainstream distro accessibility is paramount, we believe after much consultation that a specialised distro is still required. Together with Linux-a11y, most commonly known for the active development of the Fenrir screen reader and the OCRPDF and OCRDesktop text recognition tools, Vinux has agreed to continuously push for and contribute to accessibility inclusion within main line distributions. Vinux plans to produce images based mainly upon the Mate desktop environment, but also Gnome; and builds for Arm devices, including the Raspberry Pi, Odroid XU3, XU4 and C2 and hopefully others, depending on the availability of hardware. We at Vinux are excited for this new chapter we are embracing. Kind regards Rob Whyte Vinux project manager -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Sonar GNU Linux merges with Vinux
Hey there Milton, nice to see you about. Yes I guess it will be Vinux 7 indeed. We are still in early stages of planning. We have secured servers etc to develop and build packages on and are planning our build process. Basically trying to get our ducks in a row as one would say. Stay tuned to our support list. Subscribe by mailing vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com cheers Rob On 15/03/17 22:59, Milton wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Great news! Will Vinux 7 based on Fedora and when will the release be > planned? > Milton > > Op 15-03-17 om 12:53 schreef Rob Whyte: >> Hi Werwoelfchen, >> >> It is our hope to complete our Ubuntu 16.04.2 release of Vinux 6 and >> support that whilst we work on a Fedora release. >> >> Hope this addresses your query sufficiently. >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> On 15/03/17 22:49, Werwoelfchen wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> Will the Vinux project finish the Ubuntu support? >>> Regards, >>> Wolfram >>> Am 15.03.2017 um 12:21 schrieb Rob Whyte: >>>> Sonar merges with the Vinux Project. >>>> http://www.sonargnulinux.com and http://www.vinuxproject.org team up. >>>> >>>> Exciting news for the Sonar and Vinux communities. >>>> A special meeting was held early 2017 between core Sonar and Vinux >>>> team >>>> members. It was agreed that the two projects will be working together >>>> toward common goals. Whilst Vinux has recently indicated to move the >>>> distro base from Ubuntu to Fedora, several meetings have been held >>>> between Vinux and Sonar core members with an agreement taking place >>>> toward common goals that will freshen up both projects. Some teams >>>> have >>>> been expanded, and new teams have been created within Vinux, with the >>>> influx of Sonar developers and users. Project leader Rob Whyte said >>>> that >>>> the merge will minimize fragmentation and combine resources. Most >>>> importantly, having a larger active community will allow us to develop >>>> some visions we have had for some time. >>>> >>>> Going forward in 2017, Vinux hopes to become a not for profit >>>> organization and to step up what we can deliver to our loyal user >>>> base. >>>> Under the new arrangements, Vinux has agreed to stem into the ARM >>>> architecture, offering exciting new possibilities, and has also >>>> committed to again provide Vinux hardware, focusing primarily on ARM >>>> devices. >>>> >>>> Though mainstream distro accessibility is paramount, we believe after >>>> much consultation that a specialised distro is still required. >>>> Together with Linux-a11y, most commonly known for the active >>>> development >>>> of the Fenrir screen reader and the OCRPDF and OCRDesktop text >>>> recognition tools, Vinux has agreed to continuously push for and >>>> contribute to accessibility inclusion within main line distributions. >>>> >>>> Vinux plans to produce images based mainly upon the Mate desktop >>>> environment, but also Gnome; and builds for Arm devices, including the >>>> Raspberry Pi, Odroid XU3, XU4 and C2 and hopefully others, >>>> depending on >>>> the availability of hardware. >>>> >>>> We at Vinux are excited for this new chapter we are embracing. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> Rob Whyte >>>> Vinux project manager >>>> >>> >> >> -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Sonar GNU Linux merges with Vinux
Hi Rob, Great news! Will Vinux 7 based on Fedora and when will the release be planned? Milton Op 15-03-17 om 12:53 schreef Rob Whyte: Hi Werwoelfchen, It is our hope to complete our Ubuntu 16.04.2 release of Vinux 6 and support that whilst we work on a Fedora release. Hope this addresses your query sufficiently. Cheers Rob On 15/03/17 22:49, Werwoelfchen wrote: Hi, Will the Vinux project finish the Ubuntu support? Regards, Wolfram Am 15.03.2017 um 12:21 schrieb Rob Whyte: Sonar merges with the Vinux Project. http://www.sonargnulinux.com and http://www.vinuxproject.org team up. Exciting news for the Sonar and Vinux communities. A special meeting was held early 2017 between core Sonar and Vinux team members. It was agreed that the two projects will be working together toward common goals. Whilst Vinux has recently indicated to move the distro base from Ubuntu to Fedora, several meetings have been held between Vinux and Sonar core members with an agreement taking place toward common goals that will freshen up both projects. Some teams have been expanded, and new teams have been created within Vinux, with the influx of Sonar developers and users. Project leader Rob Whyte said that the merge will minimize fragmentation and combine resources. Most importantly, having a larger active community will allow us to develop some visions we have had for some time. Going forward in 2017, Vinux hopes to become a not for profit organization and to step up what we can deliver to our loyal user base. Under the new arrangements, Vinux has agreed to stem into the ARM architecture, offering exciting new possibilities, and has also committed to again provide Vinux hardware, focusing primarily on ARM devices. Though mainstream distro accessibility is paramount, we believe after much consultation that a specialised distro is still required. Together with Linux-a11y, most commonly known for the active development of the Fenrir screen reader and the OCRPDF and OCRDesktop text recognition tools, Vinux has agreed to continuously push for and contribute to accessibility inclusion within main line distributions. Vinux plans to produce images based mainly upon the Mate desktop environment, but also Gnome; and builds for Arm devices, including the Raspberry Pi, Odroid XU3, XU4 and C2 and hopefully others, depending on the availability of hardware. We at Vinux are excited for this new chapter we are embracing. Kind regards Rob Whyte Vinux project manager -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Sonar GNU Linux merges with Vinux
Hi Rob, that means, one day there will be both releases. Regards Am 15.03.2017 um 12:53 schrieb Rob Whyte: Hi Werwoelfchen, It is our hope to complete our Ubuntu 16.04.2 release of Vinux 6 and support that whilst we work on a Fedora release. Hope this addresses your query sufficiently. Cheers Rob On 15/03/17 22:49, Werwoelfchen wrote: Hi, Will the Vinux project finish the Ubuntu support? Regards, Wolfram Am 15.03.2017 um 12:21 schrieb Rob Whyte: Sonar merges with the Vinux Project. http://www.sonargnulinux.com and http://www.vinuxproject.org team up. Exciting news for the Sonar and Vinux communities. A special meeting was held early 2017 between core Sonar and Vinux team members. It was agreed that the two projects will be working together toward common goals. Whilst Vinux has recently indicated to move the distro base from Ubuntu to Fedora, several meetings have been held between Vinux and Sonar core members with an agreement taking place toward common goals that will freshen up both projects. Some teams have been expanded, and new teams have been created within Vinux, with the influx of Sonar developers and users. Project leader Rob Whyte said that the merge will minimize fragmentation and combine resources. Most importantly, having a larger active community will allow us to develop some visions we have had for some time. Going forward in 2017, Vinux hopes to become a not for profit organization and to step up what we can deliver to our loyal user base. Under the new arrangements, Vinux has agreed to stem into the ARM architecture, offering exciting new possibilities, and has also committed to again provide Vinux hardware, focusing primarily on ARM devices. Though mainstream distro accessibility is paramount, we believe after much consultation that a specialised distro is still required. Together with Linux-a11y, most commonly known for the active development of the Fenrir screen reader and the OCRPDF and OCRDesktop text recognition tools, Vinux has agreed to continuously push for and contribute to accessibility inclusion within main line distributions. Vinux plans to produce images based mainly upon the Mate desktop environment, but also Gnome; and builds for Arm devices, including the Raspberry Pi, Odroid XU3, XU4 and C2 and hopefully others, depending on the availability of hardware. We at Vinux are excited for this new chapter we are embracing. Kind regards Rob Whyte Vinux project manager -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Sonar GNU Linux merges with Vinux
Hi Werwoelfchen, It is our hope to complete our Ubuntu 16.04.2 release of Vinux 6 and support that whilst we work on a Fedora release. Hope this addresses your query sufficiently. Cheers Rob On 15/03/17 22:49, Werwoelfchen wrote: > > Hi, > Will the Vinux project finish the Ubuntu support? > Regards, > Wolfram > Am 15.03.2017 um 12:21 schrieb Rob Whyte: >> Sonar merges with the Vinux Project. >> http://www.sonargnulinux.com and http://www.vinuxproject.org team up. >> >> Exciting news for the Sonar and Vinux communities. >> A special meeting was held early 2017 between core Sonar and Vinux team >> members. It was agreed that the two projects will be working together >> toward common goals. Whilst Vinux has recently indicated to move the >> distro base from Ubuntu to Fedora, several meetings have been held >> between Vinux and Sonar core members with an agreement taking place >> toward common goals that will freshen up both projects. Some teams have >> been expanded, and new teams have been created within Vinux, with the >> influx of Sonar developers and users. Project leader Rob Whyte said that >> the merge will minimize fragmentation and combine resources. Most >> importantly, having a larger active community will allow us to develop >> some visions we have had for some time. >> >> Going forward in 2017, Vinux hopes to become a not for profit >> organization and to step up what we can deliver to our loyal user base. >> Under the new arrangements, Vinux has agreed to stem into the ARM >> architecture, offering exciting new possibilities, and has also >> committed to again provide Vinux hardware, focusing primarily on ARM >> devices. >> >> Though mainstream distro accessibility is paramount, we believe after >> much consultation that a specialised distro is still required. >> Together with Linux-a11y, most commonly known for the active development >> of the Fenrir screen reader and the OCRPDF and OCRDesktop text >> recognition tools, Vinux has agreed to continuously push for and >> contribute to accessibility inclusion within main line distributions. >> >> Vinux plans to produce images based mainly upon the Mate desktop >> environment, but also Gnome; and builds for Arm devices, including the >> Raspberry Pi, Odroid XU3, XU4 and C2 and hopefully others, depending on >> the availability of hardware. >> >> We at Vinux are excited for this new chapter we are embracing. >> >> Kind regards >> Rob Whyte >> Vinux project manager >> > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Sonar GNU Linux merges with Vinux
Hi, Will the Vinux project finish the Ubuntu support? Regards, Wolfram Am 15.03.2017 um 12:21 schrieb Rob Whyte: Sonar merges with the Vinux Project. http://www.sonargnulinux.com and http://www.vinuxproject.org team up. Exciting news for the Sonar and Vinux communities. A special meeting was held early 2017 between core Sonar and Vinux team members. It was agreed that the two projects will be working together toward common goals. Whilst Vinux has recently indicated to move the distro base from Ubuntu to Fedora, several meetings have been held between Vinux and Sonar core members with an agreement taking place toward common goals that will freshen up both projects. Some teams have been expanded, and new teams have been created within Vinux, with the influx of Sonar developers and users. Project leader Rob Whyte said that the merge will minimize fragmentation and combine resources. Most importantly, having a larger active community will allow us to develop some visions we have had for some time. Going forward in 2017, Vinux hopes to become a not for profit organization and to step up what we can deliver to our loyal user base. Under the new arrangements, Vinux has agreed to stem into the ARM architecture, offering exciting new possibilities, and has also committed to again provide Vinux hardware, focusing primarily on ARM devices. Though mainstream distro accessibility is paramount, we believe after much consultation that a specialised distro is still required. Together with Linux-a11y, most commonly known for the active development of the Fenrir screen reader and the OCRPDF and OCRDesktop text recognition tools, Vinux has agreed to continuously push for and contribute to accessibility inclusion within main line distributions. Vinux plans to produce images based mainly upon the Mate desktop environment, but also Gnome; and builds for Arm devices, including the Raspberry Pi, Odroid XU3, XU4 and C2 and hopefully others, depending on the availability of hardware. We at Vinux are excited for this new chapter we are embracing. Kind regards Rob Whyte Vinux project manager -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Sonar GNU Linux merges with Vinux
Sonar merges with the Vinux Project. http://www.sonargnulinux.com and http://www.vinuxproject.org team up. Exciting news for the Sonar and Vinux communities. A special meeting was held early 2017 between core Sonar and Vinux team members. It was agreed that the two projects will be working together toward common goals. Whilst Vinux has recently indicated to move the distro base from Ubuntu to Fedora, several meetings have been held between Vinux and Sonar core members with an agreement taking place toward common goals that will freshen up both projects. Some teams have been expanded, and new teams have been created within Vinux, with the influx of Sonar developers and users. Project leader Rob Whyte said that the merge will minimize fragmentation and combine resources. Most importantly, having a larger active community will allow us to develop some visions we have had for some time. Going forward in 2017, Vinux hopes to become a not for profit organization and to step up what we can deliver to our loyal user base. Under the new arrangements, Vinux has agreed to stem into the ARM architecture, offering exciting new possibilities, and has also committed to again provide Vinux hardware, focusing primarily on ARM devices. Though mainstream distro accessibility is paramount, we believe after much consultation that a specialised distro is still required. Together with Linux-a11y, most commonly known for the active development of the Fenrir screen reader and the OCRPDF and OCRDesktop text recognition tools, Vinux has agreed to continuously push for and contribute to accessibility inclusion within main line distributions. Vinux plans to produce images based mainly upon the Mate desktop environment, but also Gnome; and builds for Arm devices, including the Raspberry Pi, Odroid XU3, XU4 and C2 and hopefully others, depending on the availability of hardware. We at Vinux are excited for this new chapter we are embracing. Kind regards Rob Whyte Vinux project manager -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 5.1 released
The Vinux team is pleased to announce the availability of the Vinux 5.1 desktop image. This release features not just the Unity Desktop, but Gnome-shell and the ever popular Gnome 2 fork called Mate, though we primarily will support Unity only. Remember we recommend that when possible users perform updates on a regular basis. This will enable the Vinux team to update packages, and introduce new features. Vinux 5.1 is based upon Ubuntu Trusty Tahr 14.0.4.5 LTS. Some of the highlights in Vinux 5.1 Up to date accessibility infrastructure. Gnome-ORca 3.20 with updates available for 3.22 AT-SPI 2.20 with updates available for 2.22 Brltty 5.4 Speech-dispatcher 0.8.5 Liblouis 2.6.2 Known bugs We are unable to include the Vinux 4.0 console speech changes due to Vinux 5.1 not using consolekit any longer, please see http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/speechd-up for more information. To use speechd-up log in to your desktop session and run sudo speechd-up from a gnome-terminal or add a startup item to do it automatically upon login. There seems to be a bug in the console if you use speakup-tools to save local speakup settings. How ever as a work around you can still gain access using sudo or root. Software Firefox 48 with updates available to 5.0.1 Thunderbird 45.2 with updates available to 45.5 Unity 7.2.4 Gnome-shell 3.10.4 Mate 1.8 LibreOffice 4.2.8 Espeak 1.48 Evince 3.12.2 Clam av 0.98.7 with updates available to 0.99 Kernel 4.40 from Xenial Availability Vinux 5.1 is available in the AMD64 and i386 architectures They contain everything necessary to install the Vinux operating system and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at vision impaired users. This should be all you need if you can burn and use DVD sized media. Vinux 5.1 can be installed from optical media or from a USB pen drive. The required files can be downloaded via HTTP as entailed below. Support This is a long term support release, the Vinux development team encourages users to download and install Vinux 5.1 We are unable to commit to a support date due to lacking development resources. Contacting US Our mailing list has a supportive community on Google groups at http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support or you can subscribe by sending an email to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com Follow us on Twitter @vinuxnews. We are on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/Vinux.AccessibleLinux/ http://www.facebook.com/groups/vinux/ Acknowledgements * Rob Whyte, Vinux project manager. * Luke Yelavich. Development team leader. * Bill Taylor. Testing team leader. * Karen Searle for proofreading and editing our documentation, website and wiki. Also for designing our new logo. * The Vinux team would also like to thank Christopher Chaltain, Burt Henry, Peter Tesar and members of the Vinux mailing lists for their ongoing support. MD5 Checksums: * vinux-5.1-amd64.iso f29d5ae0f5e7371b297efd5bef9eecd4 * vinux-5.1-i386.iso dce508f1dbfc10a109b866835b6e4d4f Downloading Vinux Vinux has chosen Source forge for our preferred downloads. This way users can gain fast access to over 17 mirrors and give us feedback to user statistics. http://sourceforge.net/projects/vinuxproject/ Thank you for supporting the Vinux project. Kind regards Rob Whyte Vinux project manager -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 5.0 released
= The Vinux team is pleased to announce the availability of the Vinux 5.0 desktop image. = This release features not just the Unity Desktop, but Gnome-shell and the ever popular Gnome 2 fork called Mate, though we primarily will support Unity only. Remember we recommend that when possible users perform updates on a regular basis. This will enable the Vinux team to update packages, and introduce new features. Vinux 5.0 is based upon Ubuntu Trusty Tahr 14.0.4.3 LTS. = Some of the highlights in Vinux 5.0 = New re-designed Vinux boot logo. Up to date accessibility infrastructure. Current Gnome-Orca and accessibility framework. Improvements with Nautilus file manager when processing large folders. = Known bugs = We are unable to include the Vinux 4.0 console speech changes due to Vinux 5.0 not using consolekit any longer, please see http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/speechd-up for more information. To use speechd-up log in to your desktop session and run sudo speechd-up from a gnome-terminal or add a startup item to do it automatically upon login. There seems to be a bug in the console if you use speakup-tools to save local speakup settings. How ever as a work around you can still gain access using sudo or root. = Software = Firefox 41 Thunderbird 38.3 Unity 7.2.4 Gnome-shell 3.10.4 Mate 1.8 LibreOffice 4.2.8 Gnome-orca 3.18.1 Espeak 1.48 Brltty 5.2 Speech-dispatcher 0.8.3 Evince 3.12.2 Liblouis 2.6.2 Clam av 0.98.7 Kernel 3.19 = Availability = Vinux 5.0 is available in the AMD64 and i386 architectures They contain everything necessary to install the Vinux operating system and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at vision impaired users. This should be all you need if you can burn and use DVD sized media. Vinux 5.0 can be installed from optical media or from a USB pen drive. The required files can be downloaded via HTTP as entailed below. = Support = This is a long term support release, the Vinux development team encourages users to download and install Vinux 5.0 We are unable to commit to a support date due to lacking development resources. = Contacting US = Our mailing list has a supportive community on Google groups at http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support or you can subscribe by sending an email to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com Follow us on Twitter @vinuxnews. We are on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/Vinux.AccessibleLinux/ http://www.facebook.com/groups/vinux/ = Acknowledgements = * Rob Whyte, Vinux project manager. * Luke Yelavich. Development team leader. * Bill Taylor. Testing team leader. * Karen Searle for proofreading and editing our documentation, website and wiki. Also for designing our new logo. * The Vinux team would also like to thank Christopher Chaltain, Burt Henry, Peter Tesar and members of the Vinux mailing lists for their ongoing support. = MD5 Checksums: = * vinux-5.0-amd64.iso e94ef69b512c3ff57aa0210b1444f7e6 * vinux-5.0-i386.isoca44281622246336ecdf9842f62383e5 = Downloading Vinux = Vinux has chosen Source forge for our preferred downloads. This way users can gain fast access to over 17 mirrors and give us feedback to user statistics. http://sourceforge.net/projects/vinuxproject/ Thank you for supporting the Vinux project. Kind regards Rob Whyte Vinux project manager -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: Introduction of my project
While I do see a need for a Daisy player and other such applications, I also think an EPUB player, better speech synthesis, and a version of Linux that would run on my Mac as my feature requests. I'm fine with eSpeak, and if it can be used with MBROLA I'd be fine with that, too. I'd also like an accessible application to create music like in Quck Windows sequencer, but that can wait. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:52 PM, B. Henry wrote: > > This is a great project, much after my own heart. I started thinking about > about something like this kind of thing a long time ago, but more > specifically last December when people were discussing their need of a good > dasy player for Linux on the Orca list. > I am really excited to hear about the steps your are taking to improve > accessiblity with FOS software for GNU-Linux. > I am also very glad that there is an English version of the website. > At this oint I do not know what I can offer this project directly, but hope > to be able to do so at some point. For now I'll be spreading the word that > it exists among some folks who are not on this list, Orca nor > Ubuntu-accessiblity. > Congrats! > > > -- > B.H. > Registerd Linux User 521886 > > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 02:10:42AM +0100 > >> Hi, >> >> I've been working with free software for 2004, and I'm sure now of 2 things: >> it's The solution to get an accessible computer in long-term, but its >> diversity results on a need of fulltime work on the matter. I love the work >> on distros such as Vinux, about which I'm writing a manual to learn >> computing (very long as I've few time). I think now an accessible system >> should go still further, using "universal" purpose. But universal, it means >> a flexible desktop, for various visual issues, etc. >> >> For all these reasons I try now so pay for devs to work on GNU/Linux a11y, >> in particular Compiz, Orca and MATE. To know the values of this project and >> our model, see: >> http://hypra.fr/?-Home-17-&lang=en >> >> For next month, we will release a full list of features we found in Jaws, >> NVDA, ZoomText and SuperNova and not present in Orca and Linux, so that >> users could tell us whet should be prioritary to be developped. On this >> basis, we'll submit patches to add features, including technical discussions >> with you about the good approach (what is for Orca, for at-spi, for the >> application, etc). Now we've the basic platform, we can start developping >> improvements and submitting them. >> >> Thanks >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> >> Jean-Philippe MENGUAL >> >> HYPRA, progressons ensemble >> >> Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61 >> Mail: cont...@hypra.fr >> >> Site Web: http://hypra.fr >> >> -- >> Remember to frequently check our Wiki: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org >> Our website: http://www.vinuxproject.org >> You can search or view our group on the web: >> http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support >> Talk to us on IRC irc.vinuxproject.org #Vinux >> >> Unsubscribe from Vinux by emailing vinux-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Vinux support forum" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to vinux-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > -- > Remember to frequently check our Wiki: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org > Our website: http://www.vinuxproject.org > You can search or view our group on the web: > http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support > Talk to us on IRC irc.vinuxproject.org #Vinux > > Unsubscribe from Vinux by emailing vinux-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vinux support forum" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vinux-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re : Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: Introduction of my project
- Devin Prater a écrit : > While I do see a need for a Daisy player and other such applications, In our UAS we include daisyplayer. Do you know? It seems all rieght isn't it? I also think an EPUB player, About it I think we will include epub-reader. It is also a kind of OCR. To be tested better speech synthesis, Sure that is in projects. Mbrola provides a good base but we are porting a Windows one developped by a Frence University, Kali. Unfortunately, not yet free. and a version of Linux that would run on my Mac as my feature requests. What do you mean? I'm fine with eSpeak, and if it can be used with MBROLA I'd be fine with that, too. yes you can, that the choice we did on live CD. I'd also like an accessible application to create music like in Quck Windows sequencer, but that can wait. that is a very big thing indeed. A specific thread I think, with testers, etc (I am not a musician myself). > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:52 PM, B. Henry wrote: > > > > This is a great project, much after my own heart. I started thinking about > > about something like this kind of thing a long time ago, but more > > specifically last December when people were discussing their need of a good > > dasy player for Linux on the Orca list. > > I am really excited to hear about the steps your are taking to improve > > accessiblity with FOS software for GNU-Linux. > > I am also very glad that there is an English version of the website. > > At this oint I do not know what I can offer this project directly, but hope > > to be able to do so at some point. For now I'll be spreading the word that > > it exists among some folks who are not on this list, Orca nor > > Ubuntu-accessiblity. Good point thanks. The most this project will be known, people will order traniing and installations, the more we will be financed and work a long and with many people about all this. regards > > Congrats! > > > > > > -- > > B.H. > > Registerd Linux User 521886 > > > > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > > Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 02:10:42AM +0100 > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I've been working with free software for 2004, and I'm sure now of 2 > >> things: > >> it's The solution to get an accessible computer in long-term, but its > >> diversity results on a need of fulltime work on the matter. I love the work > >> on distros such as Vinux, about which I'm writing a manual to learn > >> computing (very long as I've few time). I think now an accessible system > >> should go still further, using "universal" purpose. But universal, it means > >> a flexible desktop, for various visual issues, etc. > >> > >> For all these reasons I try now so pay for devs to work on GNU/Linux a11y, > >> in particular Compiz, Orca and MATE. To know the values of this project and > >> our model, see: > >> http://hypra.fr/?-Home-17-&lang=en > >> > >> For next month, we will release a full list of features we found in Jaws, > >> NVDA, ZoomText and SuperNova and not present in Orca and Linux, so that > >> users could tell us whet should be prioritary to be developped. On this > >> basis, we'll submit patches to add features, including technical > >> discussions > >> with you about the good approach (what is for Orca, for at-spi, for the > >> application, etc). Now we've the basic platform, we can start developping > >> improvements and submitting them. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Jean-Philippe MENGUAL > >> > >> HYPRA, progressons ensemble > >> > >> Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61 > >> Mail: cont...@hypra.fr > >> > >> Site Web: http://hypra.fr > >> > >> -- > >> Remember to frequently check our Wiki: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org > >> Our website: http://www.vinuxproject.org > >> You can search or view our group on the web: > >> http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support > >> Talk to us on IRC irc.vinuxproject.org #Vinux > >> > >> Unsubscribe from Vinux by emailing > >> vinux-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Vinux support forum" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >> email to vinux-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > >
Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: Introduction of my project
This is a great project, much after my own heart. I started thinking about about something like this kind of thing a long time ago, but more specifically last December when people were discussing their need of a good dasy player for Linux on the Orca list. I am really excited to hear about the steps your are taking to improve accessiblity with FOS software for GNU-Linux. I am also very glad that there is an English version of the website. At this oint I do not know what I can offer this project directly, but hope to be able to do so at some point. For now I'll be spreading the word that it exists among some folks who are not on this list, Orca nor Ubuntu-accessiblity. Congrats! -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 02:10:42AM +0100 > Hi, > > I've been working with free software for 2004, and I'm sure now of 2 things: > it's The solution to get an accessible computer in long-term, but its > diversity results on a need of fulltime work on the matter. I love the work > on distros such as Vinux, about which I'm writing a manual to learn > computing (very long as I've few time). I think now an accessible system > should go still further, using "universal" purpose. But universal, it means > a flexible desktop, for various visual issues, etc. > > For all these reasons I try now so pay for devs to work on GNU/Linux a11y, > in particular Compiz, Orca and MATE. To know the values of this project and > our model, see: > http://hypra.fr/?-Home-17-&lang=en > > For next month, we will release a full list of features we found in Jaws, > NVDA, ZoomText and SuperNova and not present in Orca and Linux, so that > users could tell us whet should be prioritary to be developped. On this > basis, we'll submit patches to add features, including technical discussions > with you about the good approach (what is for Orca, for at-spi, for the > application, etc). Now we've the basic platform, we can start developping > improvements and submitting them. > > Thanks > > Regards, > > -- > > Jean-Philippe MENGUAL > > HYPRA, progressons ensemble > > Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61 > Mail: cont...@hypra.fr > > Site Web: http://hypra.fr > > -- > Remember to frequently check our Wiki: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org > Our website: http://www.vinuxproject.org > You can search or view our group on the web: > http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support > Talk to us on IRC irc.vinuxproject.org #Vinux > > Unsubscribe from Vinux by emailing vinux-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Vinux support forum" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vinux-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: accessing c drive with vinux live cd
Ah, glad it helped! On 05/02/2015 04:57 PM, rodney jackson wrote: Christopher Your suggestion help a lot, the files I need are currently being backed up. Thanks again for the help rodney -Original Message- From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2015 2:20 PM To: 'Ubuntu Accessibility' Subject: Re: accessing c drive with vinux live cd Bring up Nautilus, which you'll find in your launcher as either home or files, go into the View pulldown and the Side bar menu and make sure Places is checked. Now you should be able to tab over to the places list and find your hard drive. Sounds like you're using a help page for an older version of Ubuntu. Vinux 4 is running Ubuntu 12.04. On 05/02/2015 01:54 PM, rodney jackson wrote: I am trying to pull data off a dell mini that has windows xp So I booted up computer using vinux 4.0 live cd Hit alt F10 went to accessories' and went to disk utility Which I saw the 160gb hard disk and tabbed to mount But now I can not figure out how to access the files. Was there something else I was suppose to do I am stil fairly new at this When I google it it tells me to click on places, but can not find that Any help would be appreciated -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
RE: accessing c drive with vinux live cd
Christopher Your suggestion help a lot, the files I need are currently being backed up. Thanks again for the help rodney -Original Message- From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2015 2:20 PM To: 'Ubuntu Accessibility' Subject: Re: accessing c drive with vinux live cd Bring up Nautilus, which you'll find in your launcher as either home or files, go into the View pulldown and the Side bar menu and make sure Places is checked. Now you should be able to tab over to the places list and find your hard drive. Sounds like you're using a help page for an older version of Ubuntu. Vinux 4 is running Ubuntu 12.04. On 05/02/2015 01:54 PM, rodney jackson wrote: > I am trying to pull data off a dell mini that has windows xp > So I booted up computer using vinux 4.0 live cd > Hit alt F10 went to accessories' and went to disk utility > Which I saw the 160gb hard disk and tabbed to mount > But now I can not figure out how to access the files. > Was there something else I was suppose to do > I am stil fairly new at this > When I google it it tells me to click on places, but can not find that > Any help would be appreciated > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: accessing c drive with vinux live cd
Bring up Nautilus, which you'll find in your launcher as either home or files, go into the View pulldown and the Side bar menu and make sure Places is checked. Now you should be able to tab over to the places list and find your hard drive. Sounds like you're using a help page for an older version of Ubuntu. Vinux 4 is running Ubuntu 12.04. On 05/02/2015 01:54 PM, rodney jackson wrote: I am trying to pull data off a dell mini that has windows xp So I booted up computer using vinux 4.0 live cd Hit alt F10 went to accessories' and went to disk utility Which I saw the 160gb hard disk and tabbed to mount But now I can not figure out how to access the files. Was there something else I was suppose to do I am stil fairly new at this When I google it it tells me to click on places, but can not find that Any help would be appreciated -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
accessing c drive with vinux live cd
I am trying to pull data off a dell mini that has windows xp So I booted up computer using vinux 4.0 live cd Hit alt F10 went to accessories' and went to disk utility Which I saw the 160gb hard disk and tabbed to mount But now I can not figure out how to access the files. Was there something else I was suppose to do I am stil fairly new at this When I google it it tells me to click on places, but can not find that Any help would be appreciated -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
[FWD: and...@pipkrokodil.se] VINUX-SUPPORT: Sofware center keeps refreshing.
This was asked on another list, and I do not know the answer. Anyone? -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 - Forwarded message from Anders Holmberg - Subject: VINUX-SUPPORT: Sofware center keeps refreshing. Hi! Is it possible to make Ubuntu software center not to refresh evry now and then? Its very annoying when using a braille display. Thanks in advance. /A -- Remember to frequently check our Wiki: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org Our website: http://www.vinuxproject.org You can search or view our group on the web: http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support Talk to us on IRC irc.vinuxproject.org #Vinux Unsubscribe from Vinux by emailing vinux-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vinux support forum" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vinux-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. - End forwarded message - -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: can't remove partitions in Vinux
Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 05:50:08PM EST, blind Pete wrote: >> Is your hard disk GPT or MBR? You could try gdisk or cgdisk >> for the former. For the latter try fdisk or cfdisk. > > I would argue to still use gparted. This is due to modern disks, > particularly advanced format drives requiring correct partition alignment > for best performance, and I have no idea whether those tools you mentioned > do this properly. Gdisk maybe, but GPT has been around longer than > advanced format drives. All of those partitioning programs, including gparted, are older than advanced format drives, and they have all been updated since. BTW advanced formatting (big sectors) has nothing to do with GPT (Gnu Partition Table). My point was that if one tool does not do what you want there is a (small) chance that it was because of a problem with the tool, and there are other tools to choose from. > I say gparted, because under the hood it uses libparted, which is known to > work properly with aligning partitions properly for newer drives. The > Ubuntu and Debian installers also use libparted under the hood for > partition management. > > Luke Consistency is a definite plus, but we are still waiting to hear back from the OP. -- blind Pete Sig goes here... -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: can't remove partitions in Vinux
On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 05:50:08PM EST, blind Pete wrote: > Is your hard disk GPT or MBR? You could try gdisk or cgdisk > for the former. For the latter try fdisk or cfdisk. I would argue to still use gparted. This is due to modern disks, particularly advanced format drives requiring correct partition alignment for best performance, and I have no idea whether those tools you mentioned do this properly. Gdisk maybe, but GPT has been around longer than advanced format drives. I say gparted, because under the hood it uses libparted, which is known to work properly with aligning partitions properly for newer drives. The Ubuntu and Debian installers also use libparted under the hood for partition management. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: can't remove partitions in Vinux
Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 02:07:46PM EST, Lenny wrote: >> Hi, >> I messed my install of Vinux, so I booted up to a live copy, of the same >> version, 4.0, and in the terminal, I have tried unmounting some >> partitions from the messed Vinux and although they say unmounted when I >> run: sudo umount /dev/sda5 >> and >> sudo umount /dev/sda2 >> these partitions won't be deleted. >> I tried both in gparted and parted. > > This is probably because the swap partition is still in use. When a live > instance of any Ubuntu based distro is booted, a check is made for a swap > partition on any locally attached disks. If one is found, it is used. > > To turn this off, in a terminal run sudo swapoff -a. > > Luke "swapon -s" will show which swap partitions are active. More useful is the result of "mount", that should list a dozen lines of information. gparted might not know about any unmountings that have happend from the command line. It expects unmounting to happen through its interface, but that problem will go away after a reboot. Is your hard disk GPT or MBR? You could try gdisk or cgdisk for the former. For the latter try fdisk or cfdisk. -- blind Pete Sig goes here... -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: can't remove partitions in Vinux
On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 02:07:46PM EST, Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I messed my install of Vinux, so I booted up to a live copy, of the same > version, 4.0, and in the terminal, I have tried unmounting some partitions > from the messed Vinux and although they say unmounted when I run: > sudo umount /dev/sda5 > and > sudo umount /dev/sda2 > these partitions won't be deleted. > I tried both in gparted and parted. This is probably because the swap partition is still in use. When a live instance of any Ubuntu based distro is booted, a check is made for a swap partition on any locally attached disks. If one is found, it is used. To turn this off, in a terminal run sudo swapoff -a. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
can't remove partitions in Vinux
Hi, I messed my install of Vinux, so I booted up to a live copy, of the same version, 4.0, and in the terminal, I have tried unmounting some partitions from the messed Vinux and although they say unmounted when I run: sudo umount /dev/sda5 and sudo umount /dev/sda2 these partitions won't be deleted. I tried both in gparted and parted. those programs tell me that the partitions are mounted, but umount tells me that they are not. I rebooted, hoping that an updated fstab would fix things, but the same thing. I removed /dev/sda1 first, that one went okay. Any ideas? Thanks. Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Vinux Keyboard commands
Hi Glen, Please take a look and explore of the Vinux wiki. http://wiki.vinuxproject.org As the Vinux community have worked hard to make sure there is lots of goodies there that would be the first place to start. Specifically here for getting used to Unity. http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/unit <http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/unity> Good luck Rob Whyte y <http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/unity> On 01/04/14 16:01, Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I've been searching to find a list of keyboard commands for Vinux. > This Ubuntu, 12.04, is challenging, and the old menu ways don't work much. > Can someone send me a list of Vinux, or otherwise, Ubuntu 12.04 keyboard > shortcuts? > I am sure that there are some specific to Vinux, but either set would help a > lot. > Thanks. > > Glenn > > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Support for Vinux and Ubuntu Accessibility monthly subscriptions available
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Vinux Keyboard commands
Hi, I've been searching to find a list of keyboard commands for Vinux. This Ubuntu, 12.04, is challenging, and the old menu ways don't work much. Can someone send me a list of Vinux, or otherwise, Ubuntu 12.04 keyboard shortcuts? I am sure that there are some specific to Vinux, but either set would help a lot. Thanks. Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Fwd: VINUX-SUPPORT: FOSDEM
Message original Sujet: VINUX-SUPPORT: FOSDEM Date : Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:44:16 +0200 (CEST) De :mengualjean...@free.fr Répondre à :vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com Pour : vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com, debian-a...@lists.debian.org, accessibil...@april.org, li...@liberte0.org, brl...@mielke.cc, ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com Hi, Interested to do a devroom at fosdem? To meet each other and discuss new accessibility issues related to GUI, braille and other general issues? Could you be present, on February, 1st and 2nd? If interested, I can submit a devroom to FOSDEM so that we cas discuss between users and devs about accessibility today and in the future. Regards, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vinux Support mailing list. To unsubscribe from this group, email vinux-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Our website: www.vinuxproject.org -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [Support] Fwd: VINUX-SUPPORT: FOSDEM
I would love to but I don't have the traveling costs to do that. On 08/27/2013 02:33 AM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > > > > Message original > Sujet:VINUX-SUPPORT: FOSDEM > Date :Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:44:16 +0200 (CEST) > De : mengualjean...@free.fr > Répondre à : vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com > Pour :vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com, debian-a...@lists.debian.org, > accessibil...@april.org, li...@liberte0.org, brl...@mielke.cc, > ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > > > > Hi, > > Interested to do a devroom at fosdem? To meet each other and discuss new > accessibility issues related to GUI, braille and other general issues? Could > you be present, on February, 1st and 2nd? If interested, I can submit a > devroom to FOSDEM so that we cas discuss between users and devs about > accessibility today and in the future. > > Regards, > > Jean-Philippe MENGUAL > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vinux Support > mailing list. > To unsubscribe from this group, email > vinux-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > Our website: www.vinuxproject.org > > > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > supp...@accessiblefreedom.org > http://accessiblefreedom.org/mailman/listinfo/support_accessiblefreedom.org -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] Subscribing to the Vinux support list [was "Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT"]
Hi, On vendredi 26 juil. 2013 à 13:22:47 (-0500), Christopher Chaltain wrote: > If you're trying to subscribe to the Vinux support list, try sending > a blank email message to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com Thanks, it works. However, all the messages I send now to vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com don't arrive. Not error but not feedback (I don't receive my own messages and answers). I subscribe a free.fr address. egards, > > On 07/26/2013 08:08 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Ok, but I cannot subscribe on vinux-list. The only access point I find is > >a javascript interface and I've not a suitable browser. So how can I > >subscribe? > > > >Anyway, as you say, personally, I've my current am]iers about Vinux and I'll > >test next week. > > > >Regards, > > > >On vendredi 26 juil. 2013 à 13:23:50 (+1000), Rob Whyte wrote: > >>Hi, > >>I think this thread can be closed now. > >>It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point. > >> > >>If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be > >>preferable. > >> > >>Kind regards > >>Rob Whyte > >>On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > >>>I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list > >>>have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any > >>>more, and never have, about the plans for Unity accessibility than > >>>anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu > >>>accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC > >>>channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This > >>>is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS > >>>releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an > >>>easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the > >>>plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I > >>>assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal. > >>> > >>>I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks > >>>out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one > >>>person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates > >>>something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I > >>>don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers, > >>>applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience. > >>> > >>>The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus > >>>accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers". > >>>Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as > >>>snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with > >>>what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the > >>>developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I > >>>can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and > >>>this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the > >>>matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the > >>>precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as > >>>simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no > >>>discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you > >>>think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that > >>>people reading your message understand that the accessibility > >>>developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely > >>>honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to > >>>defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving > >>>from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions. > >>> > >>>BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal > >>>was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have > >>>attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and > >>>participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm > >>>not sure what other conclusion could have been made though. > >>> > >>>BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't in
Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
Hi, Ok, but I cannot subscribe on vinux-list. The only access point I find is a javascript interface and I've not a suitable browser. So how can I subscribe? Anyway, as you say, personally, I've my current am]iers about Vinux and I'll test next week. Regards, On vendredi 26 juil. 2013 à 13:23:50 (+1000), Rob Whyte wrote: > Hi, > I think this thread can be closed now. > It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point. > > If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be > preferable. > > Kind regards > Rob Whyte > On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list > > have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any > > more, and never have, about the plans for Unity accessibility than > > anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu > > accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC > > channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This > > is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS > > releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an > > easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the > > plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I > > assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal. > > > > I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks > > out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one > > person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates > > something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I > > don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers, > > applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience. > > > > The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus > > accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers". > > Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as > > snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with > > what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the > > developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I > > can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and > > this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the > > matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the > > precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as > > simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no > > discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you > > think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that > > people reading your message understand that the accessibility > > developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely > > honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to > > defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving > > from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions. > > > > BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal > > was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have > > attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and > > participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm > > not sure what other conclusion could have been made though. > > > > BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to > > be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which > > is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an > > inference then that's great. > > > > On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote: > >> Placated? No, we weren't placated. We were told that's how it was > >> going to > >> be and we could suck it up til 14.04. I heard you work for > >> Cannonical which > >> makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time > >> anyone > >> speaks against it. If this is the case, would you very kindly answer > >> the > >> million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message: > >> > >> Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not? > >> If not, > >> when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity? > >> > >> Oh, and just so you know, my me
Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
Hi, Ok, but I cannot subscribe on vinux-list. The only access point I find is a javascript interface and I've not a suitable browser. So how can I subscribe? Anyway, as you say, personally, I've my current am]iers about Vinux and I'll test next week. Regards, On vendredi 26 juil. 2013 à 13:23:50 (+1000), Rob Whyte wrote: > Hi, > I think this thread can be closed now. > It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point. > > If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be > preferable. > > Kind regards > Rob Whyte > On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list > > have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any > > more, and never have, about the plans for Unity accessibility than > > anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu > > accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC > > channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This > > is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS > > releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an > > easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the > > plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I > > assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal. > > > > I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks > > out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one > > person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates > > something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I > > don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers, > > applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience. > > > > The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus > > accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers". > > Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as > > snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with > > what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the > > developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I > > can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and > > this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the > > matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the > > precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as > > simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no > > discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you > > think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that > > people reading your message understand that the accessibility > > developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely > > honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to > > defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving > > from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions. > > > > BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal > > was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have > > attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and > > participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm > > not sure what other conclusion could have been made though. > > > > BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to > > be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which > > is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an > > inference then that's great. > > > > On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote: > >> Placated? No, we weren't placated. We were told that's how it was > >> going to > >> be and we could suck it up til 14.04. I heard you work for > >> Cannonical which > >> makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time > >> anyone > >> speaks against it. If this is the case, would you very kindly answer > >> the > >> million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message: > >> > >> Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not? > >> If not, > >> when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity? > >> > >> Oh, and just so you know, my me
Re: [orca-list] Subscribing to the Vinux support list [was "Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT"]
If you're using a Gmail address then you won't see your own posts to a Google Groups mailing list. On 07/28/2013 08:43 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: Hi, On vendredi 26 juil. 2013 à 13:22:47 (-0500), Christopher Chaltain wrote: If you're trying to subscribe to the Vinux support list, try sending a blank email message to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com Thanks, it works. However, all the messages I send now to vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com don't arrive. Not error but not feedback (I don't receive my own messages and answers). I subscribe a free.fr address. •egards, On 07/26/2013 08:08 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: Hi, Ok, but I cannot subscribe on vinux-list. The only access point I find is a javascript interface and I've not a suitable browser. So how can I subscribe? Anyway, as you say, personally, I've my current am]iers about Vinux and I'll test next week. Regards, On vendredi 26 juil. 2013 à 13:23:50 (+1000), Rob Whyte wrote: Hi, I think this thread can be closed now. It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point. If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be preferable. Kind regards Rob Whyte On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any more, and never have, about the plans for Unity accessibility than anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal. I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers, applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience. The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers". Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that people reading your message understand that the accessibility developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving >from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions. BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm not sure what other conclusion could have been made though. BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an inference then that's great. On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Placated? No, we weren't placated. We were told that's how it was going to be and we could suck it up til 14.04. I heard you work for Cannonical which makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time anyone speaks against it. If this is the case, would you very kindly answer the million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message: Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not? If not, when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity? Oh, and just so you know, my message wasn't trying to be inflammatory. I *was* being a bit snarky
Subscribing to the Vinux support list [was "Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT"]
If you're trying to subscribe to the Vinux support list, try sending a blank email message to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com On 07/26/2013 08:08 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: Hi, Ok, but I cannot subscribe on vinux-list. The only access point I find is a javascript interface and I've not a suitable browser. So how can I subscribe? Anyway, as you say, personally, I've my current am]iers about Vinux and I'll test next week. Regards, On vendredi 26 juil. 2013 à 13:23:50 (+1000), Rob Whyte wrote: Hi, I think this thread can be closed now. It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point. If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be preferable. Kind regards Rob Whyte On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any more, and never have, about the plans for Unity accessibility than anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal. I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers, applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience. The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers". Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that people reading your message understand that the accessibility developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions. BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm not sure what other conclusion could have been made though. BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an inference then that's great. On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Placated? No, we weren't placated. We were told that's how it was going to be and we could suck it up til 14.04. I heard you work for Cannonical which makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time anyone speaks against it. If this is the case, would you very kindly answer the million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message: Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not? If not, when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity? Oh, and just so you know, my message wasn't trying to be inflammatory. I *was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country where such things are allowed. I was far more concerned with whether or not I should project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not. You see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan. I follow them on Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have even hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about Linux. So quit hair splitting and answer the question if y
Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
Hi, I think this thread can be closed now. It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point. If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be preferable. Kind regards Rob Whyte On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list > have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any > more, and never have, about the plans for Unity accessibility than > anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu > accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC > channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This > is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS > releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an > easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the > plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I > assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal. > > I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks > out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one > person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates > something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I > don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers, > applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience. > > The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus > accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers". > Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as > snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with > what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the > developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I > can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and > this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the > matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the > precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as > simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no > discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you > think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that > people reading your message understand that the accessibility > developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely > honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to > defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving > from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions. > > BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal > was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have > attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and > participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm > not sure what other conclusion could have been made though. > > BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to > be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which > is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an > inference then that's great. > > On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote: >> Placated? No, we weren't placated. We were told that's how it was >> going to >> be and we could suck it up til 14.04. I heard you work for >> Cannonical which >> makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time >> anyone >> speaks against it. If this is the case, would you very kindly answer >> the >> million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message: >> >> Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not? >> If not, >> when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity? >> >> Oh, and just so you know, my message wasn't trying to be >> inflammatory. I >> *was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country >> where such >> things are allowed. I was far more concerned with whether or not I >> should >> project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not. You >> see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan. I follow them on >> Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have >> even >> hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about >> Linux. So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can, >> please. >> >> Thank you. >
RE: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
Hi, Luke, Just to be clear, I don't think and have never thought you were part of the problem. What I do think is that it sucks that you are the only one having to do all this work. They really should hire you some help. There is only so much one person can do and a11y is a big job. Apple has a full on team working on Voiceover. Google has Dr. Raman and his assistant and probably others I don't know about working on Android accessibility. If canonical is going to expand into all these other markets, I don't see why they can't hire you a couple of assistants to help distribute the workload. However, those decisions are beyond our control. Speaking for myself, I am personally very appreciative of all the work you have put in. Best regards, Alex M -Original Message- From: Luke Yelavich [mailto:them...@ubuntu.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:05 PM To: Alex Midence Cc: Christopher Chaltain; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:33:34PM EST, Alex Midence wrote: > Also, for the record, I fully recognize and appreciate all the hard > work of the developers of the Ubuntu community who freely give of > their time to make things accessible. However, it was disappointing > to finally have gotten a very accessible port of Unity in 12.04 only > to be told that we were back to poor a11y in other versions of the > distro for at the very least 2 full years. For the record, I was disappointed as well. I expressed my desire for Unity to stick with using Qt at the time, given the accessibility advantages it brought for one, and the fact that it would have made maintaining unity easier as the nux GUI toolkit wouldn't also need to be maintained, and Qt is well established etc. I am the only developer working for Canonical who spends at least some of the time working on accessibility issues. I say some of the time, because I do have other duties, in fact the primary reason why I was hired was not to work exclusively on accessibility, although the powers that be are ok with me doing so. Having said that, my big focus for the next 10-12 months will almost exclusively be getting Qt5, Mir, and Unity as accessible an environment as one person can possibly manage. Qt5 helps somewhat, but the specific parts of Qt that are being used for the new Unity still have some rough spots when it comes to accessibility, and there is also the changing graphics stack and everythign that goes with it to deal with. Given these changes, and given I am the only person who is likely going to be working on all of this, I cannot really promise anything, given the work that is required, and given the time and resources, or possibly lack there of, available to do so. I do really appreciate that you all want regularly updated, accessible distro releases that have the latest accessibility crack, but please keep in mind just how many of us in the wider *nix accessibility community there are, and also keep in mind how many of us are involved with some form of active development in the area, and if you want to dig deeper, think about the number of us working on GUI desktop accessibility of some kind. I try to take the approach of under promising, and at least delivering, and if I can over deliver, than thats great. In the meantime, there is the Ubuntu GNOME remix, with GNOME shell, wich does work quite well these days. I'll do my best to try and fix any issues people may notice with that release, given the accessibility tools and infrastructure are shared with GNOME and Unity. Thanks, and I really appreciate your understanding, and support. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
RE: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
The way accessibility was approached by Google is pretty smart. Eyes-free they call it implying that someone who can see might choose to operate their smartphone without using their vision. This is so they can keep their eyes on the road, for instance. Thus, it became something valuable to include in their operating system as a feature that could benefit the entire user population and not just one specific sector of it. I thought it was rather clever and I must say I like the inclusive mindset. Apple has done something similar with Siri. Alex M -Original Message- From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:17 PM To: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT I know you didn't say this, but Mark Shuttleworth and Jane Silver are aware that totally blind people can use computers and smart phones. I think you're right in that it's hard for any one to quantify their return on investment into accessibility, even a smart business man or woman. I'm not even sure you could say that Apple has sold a million iPhones they wouldn't have sold otherwise because of VoiceOver and accessibility. Also, selling a million more smart phones has to be prioritized behind selling that first smart phone. Getting a new smart phone with a new operating system into the arena is incredibly hard. Not only is there all of the development that needs to go on (think of all of those apps you take for granted on your current smart phone and realize none of those apps exist yet under Unity) but there's also the fact that you need to get manufacturers and carriers on board and build an ecosystem around a new player in the mobile space. I'm not saying Canonical shouldn't be investing more in accessibility, in fact, I think they should be. I'd like to see them pushing accessibility more in their marketing, be the first smart phone to be accessible right out of the gate and hammer home the fact that ubuntu (the philosophy and operating system) includes blind people. I think this would pay off for Canonical down the road. Whatever anyone thinks of Canonical and Mark Shuttleworth, he is an incredibly successful, bright and driven person, and he has to accomplish an awful lot with limited resources if Ubuntu Touch is going to be successful. Accessibility is only one challenge on his radar. On 07/24/2013 12:29 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: > I think the issue here is the total mindset and also the fact that > many so called smart business men don't realize the business they can > generate out of accessibility. > Firstly, there are those who don't *still* beleive that a totaly blind > person like me can actually use a Phone, let alone a computer. > And I am refering to highly qualified engineers or business personals. > Secondly, how many would go one step ahead and say "let's add a > million more probable custommers by making the device accessible"? > That's why accessibility takes a back seet. > happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > > On 07/24/2013 10:51 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> I agree accessibility should be baked in from the beginning. It's >> cheaper than bolting it on later, opens up more revenue streams, >> provides positive PR and so on. It's the law here in the US, and just >> the right thing to do. I wasn't speaking from my own opinion, but >> just echoing where I think these companies are coming from and why I >> think their making the investments they are. I can't think of a >> single smart phone company that introduced an accessible smart phone >> with they're first offering and that includes Apple, Google, >> Microsoft and Nokia. I don't like it, but I don't think many >> companies place accessibility very high on their priority lists as >> compared to getting a new product into the market place and getting >> it to a point where it's competitive and profitable. >> >> I've heard that Apple had to develop it's own screen reader when >> Berkley Systems went out of business and no other 3rd party screen >> reader would develop a screen reader for the Mac. Apple was in danger >> of losing government contracts because MS had an accessible story >> while Apple did not. I don't know this first hand, but I would say I >> have it from reliable sources. Of course, Apple has gone far beyond >> this in making all of it's products accessible out of the box. >> >> I'm not aware of any company losing a government contract because >> they didn't have an accessible smart pho
Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
It strikes me that, from the perspective you're describing, a "viable product" apparently does not include accessibility as a matter of course. (I'm not saying that's your own view, but only that this is the view you describe--all too well and concisely.) Until our access needs are deemed equal to the access needs of those who use the standard monitor and other tools, the attitude in the business will be wrong. Tell me if I'm mistaken, but I think I heard recently that Apple's recent foray into accessibility resulted from a law suit. (I say "recent foray" because there was a period during the 1980s when it provided some speech output at least.) Does anybody know for sure whether this is right or wrong? Al On 07/23/2013 11:38 PM, Christopher J Chaltain wrote: I agree it's unfortunate that Luke is the only one working on Unity accessibility, but there is a big difference between Canonical and Apple or Google. Apple is the wealthiest company in the world. Google is also a large company and is also quite profitable. Apple and Google are already well established players in the mobile space. Neither the iPhone nor Android were accessible when they were first released. Canonical is a tiny company, less than 600 employees, and is still not profitable after being around for about eight years or so. It's still trying to break into the mobile market. I'm not defending Canonical here. I too wish that they would invest more in accessibility development. I'm just pointing out that circumstances right now between Canonical and Apple/Google are quite a bit different. I think Canonical focus right now is to just get a viable product out into the market place. I'm sure that once that happens and it becomes successful, they'll invest more in accessibility, just as Apple and Google have. In some ways, this is analogous to Microsoft and Windows Phone. MS's priority right now is to become relevant in the mobile space. Once that happens then I think accessibility will move up higher on their priority queue. On 07/24/2013 08:41 AM, Alex Midence wrote: Hi, Luke, Just to be clear, I don't think and have never thought you were part of the problem. What I do think is that it sucks that you are the only one having to do all this work. They really should hire you some help. There is only so much one person can do and a11y is a big job. Apple has a full on team working on Voiceover. Google has Dr. Raman and his assistant and probably others I don't know about working on Android accessibility. If canonical is going to expand into all these other markets, I don't see why they can't hire you a couple of assistants to help distribute the workload. However, those decisions are beyond our control. Speaking for myself, I am personally very appreciative of all the work you have put in. Best regards, Alex M -Original Message- From: Luke Yelavich [mailto:them...@ubuntu.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:05 PM To: Alex Midence Cc: Christopher Chaltain; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:33:34PM EST, Alex Midence wrote: Also, for the record, I fully recognize and appreciate all the hard work of the developers of the Ubuntu community who freely give of their time to make things accessible. However, it was disappointing to finally have gotten a very accessible port of Unity in 12.04 only to be told that we were back to poor a11y in other versions of the distro for at the very least 2 full years. For the record, I was disappointed as well. I expressed my desire for Unity to stick with using Qt at the time, given the accessibility advantages it brought for one, and the fact that it would have made maintaining unity easier as the nux GUI toolkit wouldn't also need to be maintained, and Qt is well established etc. I am the only developer working for Canonical who spends at least some of the time working on accessibility issues. I say some of the time, because I do have other duties, in fact the primary reason why I was hired was not to work exclusively on accessibility, although the powers that be are ok with me doing so. Having said that, my big focus for the next 10-12 months will almost exclusively be getting Qt5, Mir, and Unity as accessible an environment as one person can possibly manage. Qt5 helps somewhat, but the specific parts of Qt that are being used for the new Unity still have some rough spots when it comes to accessibility, and there is also the changing graphics stack and everythign that goes with it to deal with. Given these changes, and given I am the only person who is likely going to be working on all of this, I cannot really promise anything, given the work that is required, and given the time and r
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Hi, Thanks Luke for this very interesting mail. I'm aware of accessibility issues in the modern free software world, and I try everyday to go on belfeving more success, even if I'm disappointed by recent GUI. But I go on trying to understand. You say that GNOME shell works fine today. I feel that changes are so important that I need to deep that better. Does some doc exist about new shortcuts, new approach in accessibility? Otherwise, I'll try to write it myself. Thanks again and I hope, someday, I'll be able to help you via my organization. Regards, JP On mercredi 24 juil. 2013 à 14:04:47 (+1000), Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:33:34PM EST, Alex Midence wrote: > > Also, for the record, I fully recognize and appreciate all the hard > > work of the developers of the Ubuntu community who freely give of > > their time to make things accessible. However, it was disappointing > > to finally have gotten a very accessible port of Unity in 12.04 only > > to be told that we were back to poor a11y in other versions of the > > distro for at the very least 2 full years. > > For the record, I was disappointed as well. I expressed my desire for Unity > to stick with using Qt at the time, given the accessibility advantages it > brought for one, and the fact that it would have made maintaining unity > easier as the nux GUI toolkit wouldn't also need to be maintained, and Qt is > well established etc. > > I am the only developer working for Canonical who spends at least some of the > time working on accessibility issues. I say some of the time, because I do > have other duties, in fact the primary reason why I was hired was not to work > exclusively on accessibility, although the powers that be are ok with me > doing so. > > Having said that, my big focus for the next 10-12 months will almost > exclusively be getting Qt5, Mir, and Unity as accessible an environment as > one person can possibly manage. Qt5 helps somewhat, but the specific parts of > Qt that are being used for the new Unity still have some rough spots when it > comes to accessibility, and there is also the changing graphics stack and > everythign that goes with it to deal with. > > Given these changes, and given I am the only person who is likely going to be > working on all of this, I cannot really promise anything, given the work that > is required, and given the time and resources, or possibly lack there of, > available to do so. I do really appreciate that you all want regularly > updated, accessible distro releases that have the latest accessibility crack, > but please keep in mind just how many of us in the wider *nix accessibility > community there are, and also keep in mind how many of us are involved with > some form of active development in the area, and if you want to dig deeper, > think about the number of us working on GUI desktop accessibility of some > kind. > > I try to take the approach of under promising, and at least delivering, and > if I can over deliver, than thats great. > > In the meantime, there is the Ubuntu GNOME remix, with GNOME shell, wich does > work quite well these days. I'll do my best to try and fix any issues people > may notice with that release, given the accessibility tools and > infrastructure are shared with GNOME and Unity. > > Thanks, and I really appreciate your understanding, and support. > > Luke > ___ > orca-list mailing list > orca-l...@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
RE: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
I hadn't heard that one. I don't know how someone would have had a case against Apple since there was a largely accessible alternative in the form of Windows or Windows Mobile. All through my years growing up, Apple and inaccessible were more or less synonymous. I remember how pleasantly surprised I was to learn that Apple had done such a fine job with Voiceover. I heard that the ones that got sued were Microsoft for beefing up Narrator and that it was a screen reader company that did it on the grounds of them pulling an internet explorer vs netscape type thing but with screen readers this time. I don't know if either of these is true though, so, don't quote me. Alex M -Original Message- From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Al Sten-Clanton Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:57 AM To: Christopher J Chaltain Cc: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT It strikes me that, from the perspective you're describing, a "viable product" apparently does not include accessibility as a matter of course. (I'm not saying that's your own view, but only that this is the view you describe--all too well and concisely.) Until our access needs are deemed equal to the access needs of those who use the standard monitor and other tools, the attitude in the business will be wrong. Tell me if I'm mistaken, but I think I heard recently that Apple's recent foray into accessibility resulted from a law suit. (I say "recent foray" because there was a period during the 1980s when it provided some speech output at least.) Does anybody know for sure whether this is right or wrong? Al On 07/23/2013 11:38 PM, Christopher J Chaltain wrote: > I agree it's unfortunate that Luke is the only one working on Unity > accessibility, but there is a big difference between Canonical and > Apple or Google. Apple is the wealthiest company in the world. Google > is also a large company and is also quite profitable. Apple and Google > are already well established players in the mobile space. Neither the > iPhone nor Android were accessible when they were first released. > Canonical is a tiny company, less than 600 employees, and is still not > profitable after being around for about eight years or so. It's still > trying to break into the mobile market. > > I'm not defending Canonical here. I too wish that they would invest > more in accessibility development. I'm just pointing out that > circumstances right now between Canonical and Apple/Google are quite a bit different. > I think Canonical focus right now is to just get a viable product out > into the market place. I'm sure that once that happens and it becomes > successful, they'll invest more in accessibility, just as Apple and > Google have. In some ways, this is analogous to Microsoft and Windows > Phone. MS's priority right now is to become relevant in the mobile > space. Once that happens then I think accessibility will move up > higher on their priority queue. > > On 07/24/2013 08:41 AM, Alex Midence wrote: >> Hi, Luke, >> >> Just to be clear, I don't think and have never thought you were part >> of the problem. What I do think is that it sucks that you are the >> only one having to do all this work. They really should hire you >> some help. There is only so much one person can do and a11y is a big >> job. Apple has a full on team working on Voiceover. Google has Dr. >> Raman and his assistant and probably others I don't know about >> working on Android accessibility. If canonical is going to expand >> into all these other markets, I don't see why they can't hire you a >> couple of assistants to help distribute the workload. >> However, >> those decisions are beyond our control. Speaking for myself, I am >> personally very appreciative of all the work you have put in. >> >> >> Best regards, >> Alex M >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Luke Yelavich [mailto:them...@ubuntu.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:05 PM >> To: Alex Midence >> Cc: Christopher Chaltain; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu >> Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to >> go to Mir and QT >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:33:34PM EST, Alex Midence wrote: >>> Also, for the record, I fully recognize and appreciate all the hard >>> work of the developers of the Ubuntu community who freely give of >>> their time to make thing
Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
I hadn't heard that Apple was actually sued. My understanding was that back when Windows had an accessible option through 3rd party screen readers and Apple had no screen reader at all that Apple was losing out to Microsoft, or at least had the potential to lose such deals, when selling systems to government agencies and educational facilities. My understanding was that Microsoft was never sued over accessibility but that the screen reader companies did work with Microsoft to convince Microsoft not to come out with their own screen reader. It was felt that if Microsoft developed their own screen reader, then 3rd party screen readers would fall by the way side, and in the long run, this would not be advantageous to the blind. I do have some limited first hand knowledge of what happened here. Obviously Apple's model does a lot to disprove this concern, but I personally still have an issue with a company controlling the OS, application suite and screen reader. It's fine when you're an all MS or an all Apple shop, but what if you want to use Firefox on Windows or MS Office on the Mac. On 07/24/2013 03:30 PM, Alex Midence wrote: I hadn't heard that one. I don't know how someone would have had a case against Apple since there was a largely accessible alternative in the form of Windows or Windows Mobile. All through my years growing up, Apple and inaccessible were more or less synonymous. I remember how pleasantly surprised I was to learn that Apple had done such a fine job with Voiceover. I heard that the ones that got sued were Microsoft for beefing up Narrator and that it was a screen reader company that did it on the grounds of them pulling an internet explorer vs netscape type thing but with screen readers this time. I don't know if either of these is true though, so, don't quote me. Alex M -Original Message- From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Al Sten-Clanton Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:57 AM To: Christopher J Chaltain Cc: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT It strikes me that, from the perspective you're describing, a "viable product" apparently does not include accessibility as a matter of course. (I'm not saying that's your own view, but only that this is the view you describe--all too well and concisely.) Until our access needs are deemed equal to the access needs of those who use the standard monitor and other tools, the attitude in the business will be wrong. Tell me if I'm mistaken, but I think I heard recently that Apple's recent foray into accessibility resulted from a law suit. (I say "recent foray" because there was a period during the 1980s when it provided some speech output at least.) Does anybody know for sure whether this is right or wrong? Al On 07/23/2013 11:38 PM, Christopher J Chaltain wrote: I agree it's unfortunate that Luke is the only one working on Unity accessibility, but there is a big difference between Canonical and Apple or Google. Apple is the wealthiest company in the world. Google is also a large company and is also quite profitable. Apple and Google are already well established players in the mobile space. Neither the iPhone nor Android were accessible when they were first released. Canonical is a tiny company, less than 600 employees, and is still not profitable after being around for about eight years or so. It's still trying to break into the mobile market. I'm not defending Canonical here. I too wish that they would invest more in accessibility development. I'm just pointing out that circumstances right now between Canonical and Apple/Google are quite a bit different. I think Canonical focus right now is to just get a viable product out into the market place. I'm sure that once that happens and it becomes successful, they'll invest more in accessibility, just as Apple and Google have. In some ways, this is analogous to Microsoft and Windows Phone. MS's priority right now is to become relevant in the mobile space. Once that happens then I think accessibility will move up higher on their priority queue. On 07/24/2013 08:41 AM, Alex Midence wrote: Hi, Luke, Just to be clear, I don't think and have never thought you were part of the problem. What I do think is that it sucks that you are the only one having to do all this work. They really should hire you some help. There is only so much one person can do and a11y is a big job. Apple has a full on team working on Voiceover. Google has Dr. Raman and his assistant and probably others I don't know about working on Android accessibility. If canonical is going to expand into all these other markets, I don't see why they can't hire you a couple of assistant
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I agree. You also see this on all of the GPS apps which provide turn by turn spoken directions. True accessibility, for a blind user though, does need to go a bit beyond just what needs to be done for eyes free use. On 07/24/2013 03:24 PM, Alex Midence wrote: The way accessibility was approached by Google is pretty smart. Eyes-free they call it implying that someone who can see might choose to operate their smartphone without using their vision. This is so they can keep their eyes on the road, for instance. Thus, it became something valuable to include in their operating system as a feature that could benefit the entire user population and not just one specific sector of it. I thought it was rather clever and I must say I like the inclusive mindset. Apple has done something similar with Siri. Alex M -Original Message- From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:17 PM To: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT I know you didn't say this, but Mark Shuttleworth and Jane Silver are aware that totally blind people can use computers and smart phones. I think you're right in that it's hard for any one to quantify their return on investment into accessibility, even a smart business man or woman. I'm not even sure you could say that Apple has sold a million iPhones they wouldn't have sold otherwise because of VoiceOver and accessibility. Also, selling a million more smart phones has to be prioritized behind selling that first smart phone. Getting a new smart phone with a new operating system into the arena is incredibly hard. Not only is there all of the development that needs to go on (think of all of those apps you take for granted on your current smart phone and realize none of those apps exist yet under Unity) but there's also the fact that you need to get manufacturers and carriers on board and build an ecosystem around a new player in the mobile space. I'm not saying Canonical shouldn't be investing more in accessibility, in fact, I think they should be. I'd like to see them pushing accessibility more in their marketing, be the first smart phone to be accessible right out of the gate and hammer home the fact that ubuntu (the philosophy and operating system) includes blind people. I think this would pay off for Canonical down the road. Whatever anyone thinks of Canonical and Mark Shuttleworth, he is an incredibly successful, bright and driven person, and he has to accomplish an awful lot with limited resources if Ubuntu Touch is going to be successful. Accessibility is only one challenge on his radar. On 07/24/2013 12:29 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: I think the issue here is the total mindset and also the fact that many so called smart business men don't realize the business they can generate out of accessibility. Firstly, there are those who don't *still* beleive that a totaly blind person like me can actually use a Phone, let alone a computer. And I am refering to highly qualified engineers or business personals. Secondly, how many would go one step ahead and say "let's add a million more probable custommers by making the device accessible"? That's why accessibility takes a back seet. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 10:51 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I agree accessibility should be baked in from the beginning. It's cheaper than bolting it on later, opens up more revenue streams, provides positive PR and so on. It's the law here in the US, and just the right thing to do. I wasn't speaking from my own opinion, but just echoing where I think these companies are coming from and why I think their making the investments they are. I can't think of a single smart phone company that introduced an accessible smart phone with they're first offering and that includes Apple, Google, Microsoft and Nokia. I don't like it, but I don't think many companies place accessibility very high on their priority lists as compared to getting a new product into the market place and getting it to a point where it's competitive and profitable. I've heard that Apple had to develop it's own screen reader when Berkley Systems went out of business and no other 3rd party screen reader would develop a screen reader for the Mac. Apple was in danger of losing government contracts because MS had an accessible story while Apple did not. I don't know this first hand, but I would say I have it from reliable sources. Of course, Apple has gone far beyond this in making all of it's products accessible out of the box. I'm not aware of any company losing a government contract because they didn't have an accessible smart phone story, but I suspect
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with Nokia and Blackberry before they added accessibility. Ditto for Google. On 07/24/2013 11:57 AM, Al Sten-Clanton wrote: It strikes me that, from the perspective you're describing, a "viable product" apparently does not include accessibility as a matter of course. (I'm not saying that's your own view, but only that this is the view you describe--all too well and concisely.) Until our access needs are deemed equal to the access needs of those who use the standard monitor and other tools, the attitude in the business will be wrong. Tell me if I'm mistaken, but I think I heard recently that Apple's recent foray into accessibility resulted from a law suit. (I say "recent foray" because there was a period during the 1980s when it provided some speech output at least.) Does anybody know for sure whether this is right or wrong? Al On 07/23/2013 11:38 PM, Christopher J Chaltain wrote: I agree it's unfortunate that Luke is the only one working on Unity accessibility, but there is a big difference between Canonical and Apple or Google. Apple is the wealthiest company in the world. Google is also a large company and is also quite profitable. Apple and Google are already well established players in the mobile space. Neither the iPhone nor Android were accessible when they were first released. Canonical is a tiny company, less than 600 employees, and is still not profitable after being around for about eight years or so. It's still trying to break into the mobile market. I'm not defending Canonical here. I too wish that they would invest more in accessibility development. I'm just pointing out that circumstances right now between Canonical and Apple/Google are quite a bit different. I think Canonical focus right now is to just get a viable product out into the market place. I'm sure that once that happens and it becomes successful, they'll invest more in accessibility, just as Apple and Google have. In some ways, this is analogous to Microsoft and Windows Phone. MS's priority right now is to become relevant in the mobile space. Once that happens then I think accessibility will move up higher on their priority queue. On 07/24/2013 08:41 AM, Alex Midence wrote: Hi, Luke, Just to be clear, I don't think and have never thought you were part of the problem. What I do think is that it sucks that you are the only one having to do all this work. They really should hire you some help. There is only so much one person can do and a11y is a big job. Apple has a full on team working on Voiceover. Google has Dr. Raman and his assistant and probably others I don't know about working on Android accessibility. If canonical is going to expand into all these other markets, I don't see why they can't hire you a couple of assistants to help distribute the workload. However, those decisions are beyond our control. Speaking for myself, I am personally very appreciative of all the work you have put in. Best regards, Alex M -Original Message- From: Luke Yelavich [mailto:them...@ubuntu.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:05 PM To: Alex Midence Cc: Christopher Chaltain; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:33:34PM EST, Alex Midence wrote: Also, for the record, I fully recognize and appreciate all the hard work of the developers of the Ubuntu community who freely give of their time to make things accessible. However, it was disappointing to finally have gotten a very accessible port of Unity in 12.04 only to be told that we were back to poor a11y in other versions of the distro for at the very least 2 full years. For the record, I was disappointed as well. I expressed my desire for Unity to stick with using Qt at the time, given the accessibility advantages it brought for one, and the fact that it would have made maintaining unity easier as the nux GUI toolkit wouldn't also need to be maintained, and Qt is well established etc. I am the only developer working for Canonical who spends at least some of the time working on accessibility issues. I say some of the time, because I do have other duties, in fact the primary reason why I was hired was not to work exclusively on accessibility, although the powers that be are ok with me doing so. Having said that, my big focus for the next 10-12 months will almost exclusively be getting Qt5, Mir, and Unity as accessible an environment as one person can possibly manage. Qt5 helps somewhat, but the specific parts of Qt that are being used for the new Unity still have some rough spots when it comes to accessibility, and there is also the changing graphics stack and everythign that goes with it to deal with. Given these changes, and given I am the only person who is likely going to be working on
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at circumstances right now between Canonical and Apple/Google are quite a bit different. I think Canonical focus right now is to just get a viable product out into the market place. I'm sure that once that happens and it becomes successful, they'll invest more in accessibility, just as Apple and Google have. In some ways, this is analogous to Microsoft and Windows Phone. MS's priority right now is to become relevant in the mobile space. Once that happens then I think accessibility will move up higher on their priority queue. On 07/24/2013 08:41 AM, Alex Midence wrote: Hi, Luke, Just to be clear, I don't think and have never thought you were part of the problem. What I do think is that it sucks that you are the only one having to do all this work. They really should hire you some help. There is only so much one person can do and a11y is a big job. Apple has a full on team working on Voiceover. Google has Dr. Raman and his assistant and probably others I don't know about working on Android accessibility. If canonical is going to expand into all these other markets, I don't see why they can't hire you a couple of assistants to help distribute the workload. However, those decisions are beyond our control. Speaking for myself, I am personally very appreciative of all the work you have put in. Best regards, Alex M -Original Message- From: Luke Yelavich [mailto:them...@ubuntu.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:05 PM To: Alex Midence Cc: Christopher Chaltain; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:33:34PM EST, Alex Midence wrote: Also, for the record, I fully recognize and appreciate all the hard work of the developers of the Ubuntu community who freely give of their time to make things accessible. However, it was disappointing to finally have gotten a very accessible port of Unity in 12.04 only to be told that we were back to poor a11y in other versions of the distro for at the very least 2 full years. For the record, I was disappointed as well. I expressed my desire for Unity to stick with using Qt at the time, given the accessibility advantages it brought for one, and the fact that it would have made maintaining unity easier as the nux GUI toolkit wouldn't also need to be maintained, and Qt is well established etc. I am the only developer working for Canonical who spends at least some of the time working on accessibility issues. I say some of the time, because I do have other duties, in fact the primary reason why I was hired was not to work exclusively on accessibility, although the powers that be are ok with me doing so. Having said that, my big focus for the next 10-12 months will almost exclusively be getting Qt5, Mir, and Unity as accessible an environment as one person can possibly manage. Qt5 helps somewhat, but the specific parts of Qt that are being used for the new Unity still have some rough spots when it comes to accessibility, and there is also the changing graphics stack and everythign that goes with it to deal with. Given these changes, and given I am the only person who is likely going to be working on all of this, I cannot really promise anything, given the work that is required, and given the time and resources, or possibly lack there of, available to do so. I do really appreciate that you all want regularly updated, accessible distro releases that have the latest accessibility crack, but please keep in mind just how many of us in the wider *nix accessibility community there are, and also keep in mind how many of us are involved with some form of active development in the area, and if you want to dig deeper, think about the number of us working on GUI desktop accessibility of some kind. I try to take the approach of under promising, and at least delivering, and if I can over deliver, than thats great. In the meantime, there is the Ubuntu GNOME remix, with GNOME shell, wich does work quite well these days. I'll do my best to try and fix any issues people may notice with that release, given the accessibility tools and infrastructure are shared with GNOME and Unity. Thanks, and I really appreciate your understanding, and support. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
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t of the problem. What I do think is that it sucks that you are the only one having to do all this work. They really should hire you some help. There is only so much one person can do and a11y is a big job. Apple has a full on team working on Voiceover. Google has Dr. Raman and his assistant and probably others I don't know about working on Android accessibility. If canonical is going to expand into all these other markets, I don't see why they can't hire you a couple of assistants to help distribute the workload. However, those decisions are beyond our control. Speaking for myself, I am personally very appreciative of all the work you have put in. Best regards, Alex M -Original Message- From: Luke Yelavich [mailto:them...@ubuntu.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:05 PM To: Alex Midence Cc: Christopher Chaltain; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:33:34PM EST, Alex Midence wrote: Also, for the record, I fully recognize and appreciate all the hard work of the developers of the Ubuntu community who freely give of their time to make things accessible. However, it was disappointing to finally have gotten a very accessible port of Unity in 12.04 only to be told that we were back to poor a11y in other versions of the distro for at the very least 2 full years. For the record, I was disappointed as well. I expressed my desire for Unity to stick with using Qt at the time, given the accessibility advantages it brought for one, and the fact that it would have made maintaining unity easier as the nux GUI toolkit wouldn't also need to be maintained, and Qt is well established etc. I am the only developer working for Canonical who spends at least some of the time working on accessibility issues. I say some of the time, because I do have other duties, in fact the primary reason why I was hired was not to work exclusively on accessibility, although the powers that be are ok with me doing so. Having said that, my big focus for the next 10-12 months will almost exclusively be getting Qt5, Mir, and Unity as accessible an environment as one person can possibly manage. Qt5 helps somewhat, but the specific parts of Qt that are being used for the new Unity still have some rough spots when it comes to accessibility, and there is also the changing graphics stack and everythign that goes with it to deal with. Given these changes, and given I am the only person who is likely going to be working on all of this, I cannot really promise anything, given the work that is required, and given the time and resources, or possibly lack there of, available to do so. I do really appreciate that you all want regularly updated, accessible distro releases that have the latest accessibility crack, but please keep in mind just how many of us in the wider *nix accessibility community there are, and also keep in mind how many of us are involved with some form of active development in the area, and if you want to dig deeper, think about the number of us working on GUI desktop accessibility of some kind. I try to take the approach of under promising, and at least delivering, and if I can over deliver, than thats great. In the meantime, there is the Ubuntu GNOME remix, with GNOME shell, wich does work quite well these days. I'll do my best to try and fix any issues people may notice with that release, given the accessibility tools and infrastructure are shared with GNOME and Unity. Thanks, and I really appreciate your understanding, and support. Luke -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
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I agree it's unfortunate that Luke is the only one working on Unity accessibility, but there is a big difference between Canonical and Apple or Google. Apple is the wealthiest company in the world. Google is also a large company and is also quite profitable. Apple and Google are already well established players in the mobile space. Neither the iPhone nor Android were accessible when they were first released. Canonical is a tiny company, less than 600 employees, and is still not profitable after being around for about eight years or so. It's still trying to break into the mobile market. I'm not defending Canonical here. I too wish that they would invest more in accessibility development. I'm just pointing out that circumstances right now between Canonical and Apple/Google are quite a bit different. I think Canonical focus right now is to just get a viable product out into the market place. I'm sure that once that happens and it becomes successful, they'll invest more in accessibility, just as Apple and Google have. In some ways, this is analogous to Microsoft and Windows Phone. MS's priority right now is to become relevant in the mobile space. Once that happens then I think accessibility will move up higher on their priority queue. On 07/24/2013 08:41 AM, Alex Midence wrote: Hi, Luke, Just to be clear, I don't think and have never thought you were part of the problem. What I do think is that it sucks that you are the only one having to do all this work. They really should hire you some help. There is only so much one person can do and a11y is a big job. Apple has a full on team working on Voiceover. Google has Dr. Raman and his assistant and probably others I don't know about working on Android accessibility. If canonical is going to expand into all these other markets, I don't see why they can't hire you a couple of assistants to help distribute the workload. However, those decisions are beyond our control. Speaking for myself, I am personally very appreciative of all the work you have put in. Best regards, Alex M -Original Message- From: Luke Yelavich [mailto:them...@ubuntu.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:05 PM To: Alex Midence Cc: Christopher Chaltain; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:33:34PM EST, Alex Midence wrote: Also, for the record, I fully recognize and appreciate all the hard work of the developers of the Ubuntu community who freely give of their time to make things accessible. However, it was disappointing to finally have gotten a very accessible port of Unity in 12.04 only to be told that we were back to poor a11y in other versions of the distro for at the very least 2 full years. For the record, I was disappointed as well. I expressed my desire for Unity to stick with using Qt at the time, given the accessibility advantages it brought for one, and the fact that it would have made maintaining unity easier as the nux GUI toolkit wouldn't also need to be maintained, and Qt is well established etc. I am the only developer working for Canonical who spends at least some of the time working on accessibility issues. I say some of the time, because I do have other duties, in fact the primary reason why I was hired was not to work exclusively on accessibility, although the powers that be are ok with me doing so. Having said that, my big focus for the next 10-12 months will almost exclusively be getting Qt5, Mir, and Unity as accessible an environment as one person can possibly manage. Qt5 helps somewhat, but the specific parts of Qt that are being used for the new Unity still have some rough spots when it comes to accessibility, and there is also the changing graphics stack and everythign that goes with it to deal with. Given these changes, and given I am the only person who is likely going to be working on all of this, I cannot really promise anything, given the work that is required, and given the time and resources, or possibly lack there of, available to do so. I do really appreciate that you all want regularly updated, accessible distro releases that have the latest accessibility crack, but please keep in mind just how many of us in the wider *nix accessibility community there are, and also keep in mind how many of us are involved with some form of active development in the area, and if you want to dig deeper, think about the number of us working on GUI desktop accessibility of some kind. I try to take the approach of under promising, and at least delivering, and if I can over deliver, than thats great. In the meantime, there is the Ubuntu GNOME remix, with GNOME shell, wich does work quite well these days. I'll do my best to try and fix any issues people may notice with that release, given the accessibi
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yeah, I had tryed as well and had the same problem. I think there could be some more things to test and if they are not fundamentally broke, then we are in for a happy surprise. I would be interested to see how Firefox works under this infra structure and how libre office works as well. Personally, I use Eclipse so that's another thing to watch out. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 07:17 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Very true. The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT. That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out KDE. If you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted to put in either because you were editing a file or filling out a form of some kind, Orca couldn't read it back to you. If it was a field you were filling in, you could tab away and backtab back to it and Orca would speak its contents but, individual character by character or word by word navigation was not possible at the time. I hope that's gotten better since then. I haven't looked at it since May or June of last year, I think. It is a very important piece of the puzzle. Alex M From: Krishnakant Mane [mailto:krm...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:42 AM To: Alex Midence Cc: 'Frederik Gladhorn'; kde-accessibil...@kde.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start reporting bugs agressively. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Wonderful news! I certainly feel better for it. Thanks for all your hard work on qt-at-spi. Alex M From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org Cc: Alex Midence; orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT Hello, On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote: Hi, all, It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the near future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This was supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please see link below: Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4, including the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed. Many things have also been improved since we learned from finally making Qt 4 accessible. All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to reach the level of the old Unity and hopefully exceed it. Of course that's still up to the Unity developers and probably a fix here or there in Qt, but generally I would expect things to look good. Greetings Frederik http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced Regards, Alex M ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
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On 7/23/2013 4:31 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any more, and never have, about the plans for Unity accessibility than anyone else Bummer. I was really hoping you would know. Sorry to jump down your throat there. I really should not have sent that message. I reread my message and see how you construed what you did from it. Also, for the record, I fully recognize and appreciate all the hard work of the developers of the Ubuntu community who freely give of their time to make things accessible. However, it was disappointing to finally have gotten a very accessible port of Unity in 12.04 only to be told that we were back to poor a11y in other versions of the distro for at the very least 2 full years. This was at a time when Vinux, Ubuntu and Debian were the only distributions that could easily be installed without requiring advanced Linux skills. In fact, Vinux 4 wasn't even out yet so, really, you just had Squeeze and Precise as fully released and stable distributions that fit my description. Pax, Alex M -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
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On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:33:34PM EST, Alex Midence wrote: > Also, for the record, I fully recognize and appreciate all the hard > work of the developers of the Ubuntu community who freely give of > their time to make things accessible. However, it was disappointing > to finally have gotten a very accessible port of Unity in 12.04 only > to be told that we were back to poor a11y in other versions of the > distro for at the very least 2 full years. For the record, I was disappointed as well. I expressed my desire for Unity to stick with using Qt at the time, given the accessibility advantages it brought for one, and the fact that it would have made maintaining unity easier as the nux GUI toolkit wouldn't also need to be maintained, and Qt is well established etc. I am the only developer working for Canonical who spends at least some of the time working on accessibility issues. I say some of the time, because I do have other duties, in fact the primary reason why I was hired was not to work exclusively on accessibility, although the powers that be are ok with me doing so. Having said that, my big focus for the next 10-12 months will almost exclusively be getting Qt5, Mir, and Unity as accessible an environment as one person can possibly manage. Qt5 helps somewhat, but the specific parts of Qt that are being used for the new Unity still have some rough spots when it comes to accessibility, and there is also the changing graphics stack and everythign that goes with it to deal with. Given these changes, and given I am the only person who is likely going to be working on all of this, I cannot really promise anything, given the work that is required, and given the time and resources, or possibly lack there of, available to do so. I do really appreciate that you all want regularly updated, accessible distro releases that have the latest accessibility crack, but please keep in mind just how many of us in the wider *nix accessibility community there are, and also keep in mind how many of us are involved with some form of active development in the area, and if you want to dig deeper, think about the number of us working on GUI desktop accessibility of some kind. I try to take the approach of under promising, and at least delivering, and if I can over deliver, than thats great. In the meantime, there is the Ubuntu GNOME remix, with GNOME shell, wich does work quite well these days. I'll do my best to try and fix any issues people may notice with that release, given the accessibility tools and infrastructure are shared with GNOME and Unity. Thanks, and I really appreciate your understanding, and support. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any more, and never have, about the plans for Unity accessibility than anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal. I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers, applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience. The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers". Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that people reading your message understand that the accessibility developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions. BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm not sure what other conclusion could have been made though. BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an inference then that's great. On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Placated? No, we weren't placated. We were told that's how it was going to be and we could suck it up til 14.04. I heard you work for Cannonical which makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time anyone speaks against it. If this is the case, would you very kindly answer the million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message: Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not? If not, when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity? Oh, and just so you know, my message wasn't trying to be inflammatory. I *was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country where such things are allowed. I was far more concerned with whether or not I should project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not. You see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan. I follow them on Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have even hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about Linux. So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can, please. Thank you. Alex M -Original Message- From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:58 PM To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List Cc: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT Unity 2D was pulled from Ubuntu 12.10 and not Ubuntu 12.04. The plan to focus accessibility efforts in Ubuntu on the LTS releases was meant to provide the best accessibility solution with the resources available. This was a transparent decision made with the best information at the time. Obviously, desktop plans have changed since then. This was not a statement or move just to placate blind Ubuntu users as your message
Re: [orca-list] Vinux 4.0 now released
Very exciting! Well done, you guys! Console speech just works?! Very impressive! I am very eager to try this out. Has anyone, by any chance, gun emacspeak to work on it? Best regards, Alex M Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Rob Whyte wrote: > The Vinux team is pleased to announce the availability of Vinux 4.0 CD > and DVD images. > > This is the first Vinux release featuring the Unity-2d Desktop which > improves on transition to Vinux and introduces newer and increasingly > stable accessibility features. > We now recommend that when possible users perform updates on a regular > basis. This will enable the Vinux team to update packages, and introduce > new features. > > Some of the highlights in Vinux 4.0: > Brand new build process: Vinux now uses the same method to produce our > images as Cannonical produces Ubuntu. > Console speech just works. Much time and work has taken place to meet > our blueprint goal > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vinux/+spec/vinux-4-functional-console-screen-reader > Voxin is easy to set-up. Vinux has taken one step further in making > Voxin easier to install. > Quantal kernel: We are using a newer 3.5 kernel back ported to Precise > offering better hardware support than ever. > Classic menu. Vinux now has a Classic menu indicator which provides the > old style menu whilst in a Unity environment. > Vinux wiki. Our community is highly committed to providing clear and > easy to follow documentation. http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/ > Vinux easy install scripts converted to meta packages. > Pico voices. We are shipping with the Pico voices once again. > > Fixes: > Images now work on optical and USB media instead of separate builds in > the past. > Weather indicator fixed, previously stopped working due to API changes. > Gnome login sound fixed, Ubuntu set to be disabled by default. > Fresh and clean sound theme added. > PC speaker beep removed from blacklist, console users can again use it. > Console branding. Vinux will identify itself at a virtual terminal and > upon login offer tips of the day. > Flite and Pico now available as separate packages. > Cicero moved to a separate package also, will stop loss of speech from > the curious. > Revised keyboard shortcuts. > > Software: > unity-2d 5.14 > LibreOffice 3.5.7 > Speech-dispatcher 0.8 > Gnome-orca 3.4.2 > Espeak 1.47 > Firefox 21.0 > Thunderbird 17.0 > Cry for help, remote assistance by Vinux gurus. > Just to mention a few. > > Known bugs: > The indicator panel is not accessible from Firefox and Thunderbird. > Console speech has been completed, but it probably needs some stability > improvement. > > Availability: > Vinux 4.0 is now available in the AMD64 and i386 architectures and > available in both CD and DVD versions. > > DVD: > This contains everything necessary to install the Vinux operating system > and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at visually impaired > users. This should be all you need if you can burn and use DVD-sized media. > > CD: > This also contains everything necessary to install the Vinux operating > system and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at visually > impaired users. Use this image if you can only burn and use CD-sized media. > > Vinux 4.0 can be installed from optical media or from a USB memory > stick. The required files can be downloaded via HTTP as described below. > > Support: > The Vinux development team currently plans on supporting 4.0 until June > 2015. > Our mailing list has a supportive community on Google groups at > http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support or you can subscribe by > sending an email to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com > > Acknowledgments: > Rob Whyte, Vinux project manager. > Mobeen Iqbal. website manager, Vinux project manager from October 2011 > till May 2013. > Luke Yelavich. Development team leader. > Bill Taylor. Testing team leader. > The Vinux team would also like to thank Christopher Chaltain, Kendell > Clark, Burt Henry and members of the Vinux support mailing list for > their ongoing support. > > MD5 Checksums: > fb79a7174f207ae5ff8a908d58c60363 *vinux-4.0-desktop-amd64.iso > b4e3ca80f16be3991db19261c663bda9 *vinux-4.0-desktop-i386.iso > 2a5089976a0991aee516a14ff080b384 *vinux-4.0-dvd-amd64.iso > 14e38b9701e388a45a5e4849323388be *vinux-4.0-dvd-i386.iso > > Downloading Vinux: > The Vinux downloads page has links to our provided mirrors, the fastest > speeds will be atained by chooseing the Sourceforge mirror. > http://vinuxproject.org/downloads/ > > Thank you for supporting Vinux. > > Kind regards > Rob Whyte > > ___ > orca-lis
Vinux 4.0 now released
The Vinux team is pleased to announce the availability of Vinux 4.0 CD and DVD images. This is the first Vinux release featuring the Unity-2d Desktop which improves on transition to Vinux and introduces newer and increasingly stable accessibility features. We now recommend that when possible users perform updates on a regular basis. This will enable the Vinux team to update packages, and introduce new features. Some of the highlights in Vinux 4.0: Brand new build process: Vinux now uses the same method to produce our images as Cannonical produces Ubuntu. Console speech just works. Much time and work has taken place to meet our blueprint goal https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vinux/+spec/vinux-4-functional-console-screen-reader Voxin is easy to set-up. Vinux has taken one step further in making Voxin easier to install. Quantal kernel: We are using a newer 3.5 kernel back ported to Precise offering better hardware support than ever. Classic menu. Vinux now has a Classic menu indicator which provides the old style menu whilst in a Unity environment. Vinux wiki. Our community is highly committed to providing clear and easy to follow documentation. http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/ Vinux easy install scripts converted to meta packages. Pico voices. We are shipping with the Pico voices once again. Fixes: Images now work on optical and USB media instead of separate builds in the past. Weather indicator fixed, previously stopped working due to API changes. Gnome login sound fixed, Ubuntu set to be disabled by default. Fresh and clean sound theme added. PC speaker beep removed from blacklist, console users can again use it. Console branding. Vinux will identify itself at a virtual terminal and upon login offer tips of the day. Flite and Pico now available as separate packages. Cicero moved to a separate package also, will stop loss of speech from the curious. Revised keyboard shortcuts. Software: unity-2d 5.14 LibreOffice 3.5.7 Speech-dispatcher 0.8 Gnome-orca 3.4.2 Espeak 1.47 Firefox 21.0 Thunderbird 17.0 Cry for help, remote assistance by Vinux gurus. Just to mention a few. Known bugs: The indicator panel is not accessible from Firefox and Thunderbird. Console speech has been completed, but it probably needs some stability improvement. Availability: Vinux 4.0 is now available in the AMD64 and i386 architectures and available in both CD and DVD versions. DVD: This contains everything necessary to install the Vinux operating system and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at visually impaired users. This should be all you need if you can burn and use DVD-sized media. CD: This also contains everything necessary to install the Vinux operating system and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at visually impaired users. Use this image if you can only burn and use CD-sized media. Vinux 4.0 can be installed from optical media or from a USB memory stick. The required files can be downloaded via HTTP as described below. Support: The Vinux development team currently plans on supporting 4.0 until June 2015. Our mailing list has a supportive community on Google groups at http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support or you can subscribe by sending an email to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com Acknowledgments: Rob Whyte, Vinux project manager. Mobeen Iqbal. website manager, Vinux project manager from October 2011 till May 2013. Luke Yelavich. Development team leader. Bill Taylor. Testing team leader. The Vinux team would also like to thank Christopher Chaltain, Kendell Clark, Burt Henry and members of the Vinux support mailing list for their ongoing support. MD5 Checksums: fb79a7174f207ae5ff8a908d58c60363 *vinux-4.0-desktop-amd64.iso b4e3ca80f16be3991db19261c663bda9 *vinux-4.0-desktop-i386.iso 2a5089976a0991aee516a14ff080b384 *vinux-4.0-dvd-amd64.iso 14e38b9701e388a45a5e4849323388be *vinux-4.0-dvd-i386.iso Downloading Vinux: The Vinux downloads page has links to our provided mirrors, the fastest speeds will be atained by chooseing the Sourceforge mirror. http://vinuxproject.org/downloads/ Thank you for supporting Vinux. Kind regards Rob Whyte -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Podcast on Vinux 4.0 - an interview with Rob Whyte
Listen to an interview with Rob Whyte about the new Vinux release on Eyes On Success, a half hour weekly radio show / podcast which covers a wide variety of topics of interest to the visually impaired. Below are links to the show and associated show notes as well as links to the web page where you can learn more about Eyes On Success, subscribe to the podcast, and join our listener forum. 1322 Vinux 4.0 (May 29, 2013) <http://www.eyesonsuccess.net/eos_1322_podcast.mp3> Show Notes <http://www.eyesonsuccess.net/show_notes_1322.htm> Vinux is a version of the Linux operating system that has been optimized for the needs of blind and low vision users. Vinux provides two screen-readers, screen magnification, many other features and support for USB Braille displays. Join hosts Nancy and Peter Torpey as they speak with Rob Whyte of the Vinux project about what's new in their latest release, Vinux 4.0 . FYI we also did an episode a while back which featured the original developers of Vinux. Below are the links and a brief description for that episode: 1136 9-7-2011 Vinux - accessible operating system <http://www.eyesonsuccess.net/eos_1136_podcast.mp3> Show Notes <http://www.eyesonsuccess.net/show_notes_1136.htm> Hosts Peter Torpey and Nancy Goodman Torpey devote this entire show to Vinux, a fully accessible and easy to use computer operating system. Besides describing how it works, they interview two of its creators and explain how you can get involved in follow-on improvements, updates and upgrades. Check out Eyes On Success (formerly ViewPoints) A weekly, half hour audio program for people living with low vision Find out more about the show and get links to the podcasts at: <http://www.eyesonsuccess.net/> www.EyesOnSuccess.net Like us on Facebook at: <http://www.facebook.com/EyesOnSuccess> www.facebook.com/EyesOnSuccess Follow us on Twitter at: <http://www.twitter.com/@_EyesOnSuccess> www.twitter.com/@_EyesOnSuccess Subscribe to the listener forum by sending an e-mail to: <mailto:eyesonsuccess+subscr...@googlegroups.com> eyesonsuccess+subscr...@googlegroups.com Send suggestions or comments to: <mailto:ho...@eyesonsuccess.net> ho...@eyesonsuccess.net -- Subscribe to the podcast by pasting the following URL into your podcatching program: www.EyesOnSuccess.net/EOS_podcast --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "EyesOnSuccess" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to eyesonsuccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 4.0 now released
The Vinux team is pleased to announce the availability of Vinux 4.0 CD and DVD images. This is the first Vinux release featuring the Unity-2d Desktop which improves on transition to Vinux and introduces newer and increasingly stable accessibility features. We now recommend that when possible users perform updates on a regular basis. This will enable the Vinux team to update packages, and introduce new features. Some of the highlights in Vinux 4.0: Brand new build process: Vinux now uses the same method to produce our images as Cannonical produces Ubuntu. Console speech just works. Much time and work has taken place to meet our blueprint goal https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vinux/+spec/vinux-4-functional-console-screen-reader Voxin is easy to set-up. Vinux has taken one step further in making Voxin easier to install. Quantal kernel: We are using a newer 3.5 kernel back ported to Precise offering better hardware support than ever. Classic menu. Vinux now has a Classic menu indicator which provides the old style menu whilst in a Unity environment. Vinux wiki. Our community is highly committed to providing clear and easy to follow documentation. http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/ Vinux easy install scripts converted to meta packages. Pico voices. We are shipping with the Pico voices once again. Fixes: Images now work on optical and USB media instead of separate builds in the past. Weather indicator fixed, previously stopped working due to API changes. Gnome login sound fixed, Ubuntu set to be disabled by default. Fresh and clean sound theme added. PC speaker beep removed from blacklist, console users can again use it. Console branding. Vinux will identify itself at a virtual terminal and upon login offer tips of the day. Flite and Pico now available as separate packages. Cicero moved to a separate package also, will stop loss of speech from the curious. Revised keyboard shortcuts. Software: unity-2d 5.14 LibreOffice 3.5.7 Speech-dispatcher 0.8 Gnome-orca 3.4.2 Espeak 1.47 Firefox 21.0 Thunderbird 17.0 Cry for help, remote assistance by Vinux gurus. Just to mention a few. Known bugs: The indicator panel is not accessible from Firefox and Thunderbird. Console speech has been completed, but it probably needs some stability improvement. Availability: Vinux 4.0 is now available in the AMD64 and i386 architectures and available in both CD and DVD versions. DVD: This contains everything necessary to install the Vinux operating system and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at visually impaired users. This should be all you need if you can burn and use DVD-sized media. CD: This also contains everything necessary to install the Vinux operating system and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at visually impaired users. Use this image if you can only burn and use CD-sized media. Vinux 4.0 can be installed from optical media or from a USB memory stick. The required files can be downloaded via HTTP as described below. Support: The Vinux development team currently plans on supporting 4.0 until June 2015. Our mailing list has a supportive community on Google groups at http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support or you can subscribe by sending an email to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com Acknowledgments: Rob Whyte, Vinux project manager. Mobeen Iqbal. website manager, Vinux project manager from October 2011 till May 2013. Luke Yelavich. Development team leader. Bill Taylor. Testing team leader. The Vinux team would also like to thank Christopher Chaltain, Kendell Clark, Burt Henry and members of the Vinux support mailing list for their ongoing support. MD5 Checksums: fb79a7174f207ae5ff8a908d58c60363 *vinux-4.0-desktop-amd64.iso b4e3ca80f16be3991db19261c663bda9 *vinux-4.0-desktop-i386.iso 2a5089976a0991aee516a14ff080b384 *vinux-4.0-dvd-amd64.iso 14e38b9701e388a45a5e4849323388be *vinux-4.0-dvd-i386.iso Downloading Vinux: The Vinux downloads page has links to our provided mirrors, the fastest speeds will be atained by chooseing the Sourceforge mirror. http://vinuxproject.org/downloads/ Thank you for supporting Vinux. Kind regards Rob Whyte -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux with Voxin
Hi, I have been installing Vinux onto a thumb drive, an 8GB thumb drive. Every time I try to install Voxin, it will sometimes act like it installed okay, and other times, the Voxin does not install, in fact, the speech goes out in the middle of the install. I have tried it using the USB install, using their USB installer program. This is the stable version, using Ubuntu 10.04. I have tried both Voxin 0.37, and Voxin 0.41. Is there a reason that it would not install onto a thumb drive? I downloaded the CD version, and although it was too big to overburn onto my 700 MB CDs, I burned it onto a DVD, and it runs okay. With the USB version, it will boot okay, and I can change Orca's voice settings, but as soon as I then go into installing Voxin, it quits working. I have tried a 2GB persistence, as well as a 3GB and a 4GB. The way I install Voxin is to copy the extracted folder into /home/ and then I go into terminal, and after running sudo su, I run: bash voxin-installer.sh and that normally works well, but I haven't gotten it to work on this thumb drive. I am running a more recent version of Vinux in a netbook as a dual-boot system, and Voxin works well on that system. I have used this Voxin with Ubuntu 10.04 as well. So it seems to me that it is the thumb drive. Any ideas? Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [VINUX-SUPPORT] A Cry for Help--I broke Gedit "save-as" file chooser!
Hey Dave, If the same dialog works in other GNOME applications I would probably try to remove and re-install gedit. Sometimes it makes more sense to take 2 minutes to start over than 2 hours to track the problem. Best regards, rdc Dave Hunt writes: > Running Ubuntu 11.10 and using Gnome fallback position, though I'm not > sure the desktop matters, I can no longer use the 'save-as' file > picker in gedit. When I hit the 'save' button, the dialogue and gedit > crash, leaving no file saved. This worked after install; I'm not sure > what I changed. Any idea where to look? > > Thanks, > > Dave -- Robert D. Crawford robdc...@gmail.com -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Installing Vinux
I'd suggest taking this question to the Vinux support list. The details for the list are as follows: To post to this group, send email to vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com. To subscribe to this group, send email to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at: http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support?hl=en On 31/12/11 14:14, Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I thought I'd give Vinux a try using the DVD version of the Ubuntu 11.04 > Ubuntu. > I installed it with the latest version of Universal USB pendrive installer > onto a 4GB thumbdrive. > After it installed, I only get a shell like screen that has a prompt reading > "boot:". > Is there anything I can do with this, or do I need to reinstall it? > Thanks for any help. > Glenn > > -- Christopher (CJ) chalt...@gmail.com -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Installing Vinux
Hi, I thought I'd give Vinux a try using the DVD version of the Ubuntu 11.04 Ubuntu. I installed it with the latest version of Universal USB pendrive installer onto a 4GB thumbdrive. After it installed, I only get a shell like screen that has a prompt reading "boot:". Is there anything I can do with this, or do I need to reinstall it? Thanks for any help. Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [VINUX-DEVELOPMENT] Orca caps-lock fix
Thanks for generating this patch, Attila. It looks good to me. Bill 2011/11/10 Hammer Attila : > Hy Bill, > > I tryed your last attached patch with my Oneiric system, The patch works > wonderful with Orca master version. Thank you this patch. > I attaching now a git diff command generated patch. > Beginner users easyest appliing this patch, if already downloaded for > example with Orca master version from git repository without need going in > src/orca directory and run patch -p0 command. This situation need doing > following: > 1. Please go to top of the Orca main source directory. > 2. Run simple following command: > patch -p1 If the patch is right applied, you will be see the patch is applied with > src/orca/orca.py file. > 3. Do ./autogen.sh, make, make install commands, and restart Orca. After > this nothing need doing, the Orca caps lock related issue is resolved. > I not tested this patch with orca-xdesktop branch, because my Lucid system > this issue is not happening. > If you not need doing any work this issue related your patch, please attach > your patch with following bugreport: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658122 > Hopefuly this way fix is acceptable with upstream level, and short time will > be Joanie or other Orca developer committing this fix. > > Attila > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [VINUX-DEVELOPMENT] Orca caps-lock fix
Hy Bill,
I tryed your last attached patch with my Oneiric system, The patch works
wonderful with Orca master version. Thank you this patch.
I attaching now a git diff command generated patch.
Beginner users easyest appliing this patch, if already downloaded for
example with Orca master version from git repository without need going
in src/orca directory and run patch -p0 command. This situation need
doing following:
1. Please go to top of the Orca main source directory.
2. Run simple following command:
patch -p1 If the patch is right applied, you will be see the patch is applied with
src/orca/orca.py file.
3. Do ./autogen.sh, make, make install commands, and restart Orca. After
this nothing need doing, the Orca caps lock related issue is resolved.
I not tested this patch with orca-xdesktop branch, because my Lucid
system this issue is not happening.
If you not need doing any work this issue related your patch, please
attach your patch with following bugreport:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658122
Hopefuly this way fix is acceptable with upstream level, and short time
will be Joanie or other Orca developer committing this fix.
Attila
diff --git a/src/orca/orca.py b/src/orca/orca.py
index ecd57cd..2014c06 100644
--- a/src/orca/orca.py
+++ b/src/orca/orca.py
@@ -29,6 +29,8 @@ __license__ = "LGPL"
import getopt
import os
+import subprocess
+import re
import signal
import sys
import time
@@ -1415,6 +1417,45 @@ def toggleSilenceSpeech(script=None, inputEvent=None):
settings.silenceSpeech = True
return True
+def _setXmodmap(xkbmap):
+"""Set the keyboard map using xkbcomp."""
+p = subprocess.Popen(['xkbcomp', '-w0', '-', os.environ['DISPLAY']],
+stdin=subprocess.PIPE, stdout=None, stderr=None)
+p.communicate(xkbmap)
+
+def _setCapsLockAsOrcaModifier(enable):
+"""Enable or disable use of the caps lock key as an Orca modifier key."""
+interpretCapsLineProg = re.compile(
+r'^\s*interpret\s+Caps[_+]Lock[_+]AnyOfOrNone\s*\(all\)\s*{\s*$', re.I)
+capsModLineProg = re.compile(
+r'^\s*action\s*=\s*SetMods\s*\(\s*modifiers\s*=\s*Lock\s*,\s*clearLocks\s*\)\s*;\s*$', re.I)
+normalCapsLineProg = re.compile(
+r'^\s*action\s*=\s*LockMods\s*\(\s*modifiers\s*=\s*Lock\s*\)\s*;\s*$', re.I)
+normalCapsLine = 'action= LockMods(modifiers=Lock);'
+capsModLine ='action= SetMods(modifiers=Lock,clearLocks);'
+global _originalXmodmap
+lines = _originalXmodmap.split('\n')
+foundCapsInterpretSection = False
+for i in range(len(lines)):
+line = lines[i]
+if not foundCapsInterpretSection:
+if interpretCapsLineProg.match(line):
+foundCapsInterpretSection = True
+else:
+if enable:
+if normalCapsLineProg.match(line):
+lines[i] = capsModLine
+_setXmodmap('\n'.join(lines))
+return
+else:
+if capsModLineProg.match(line):
+lines[i] = normalCapsLine
+_setXmodmap('\n'.join(lines))
+return
+if line.find('}'):
+# Failed to find the line we need to change
+return
+
def _createOrcaXmodmap():
"""Makes an Orca-specific Xmodmap so that the keys behave as we
need them to do. This is especially the case for the Orca modifier.
@@ -1424,21 +1465,12 @@ def _createOrcaXmodmap():
cmd = []
if "Caps_Lock" in settings.orcaModifierKeys:
-cmd.append("clear Lock")
+_setCapsLockAsOrcaModifier(True)
_capsLockCleared = True
elif _capsLockCleared:
-cmd.append("add Lock = Caps_Lock")
+_setCapsLockAsOrcaModifier(False)
_capsLockCleared = False
-# Clear other keysyms so that we always treat the Orca modifier as
-# the Orca modifier (e.g. remove KP_0 from KP_Insert).
-#
-for keyName in settings.orcaModifierKeys:
-if keyName in ["Caps_Lock", "KP_Insert", "Insert"]:
-cmd.append("keysym %s = %s" % (keyName, keyName))
-
-os.system("echo '%s' | xmodmap - > /dev/null 2>&1" % "\n".join(cmd))
-
def _storeXmodmap(keyList):
"""Save the original xmodmap for the keys in keyList before we alter it.
@@ -1447,12 +1479,7 @@ def _storeXmodmap(keyList):
"""
global _originalXmodmap
-
-items = "|".join(keyList)
-cmd = "xmodmap -pke | grep -E '(%s)'" % items
-filehandle = os.popen(cmd)
-_originalXmodmap = filehandle.read()
-filehandle.close()
+_originalXmodmap = subprocess.check_output(['xkbcomp', os.environ['DISPLAY'], '-'])
def _restoreXmodmap(keyList=[]):
"""Restore the original xmodmap values for the keys in keyList.
@@ -1462,21 +1489,11 @@ def _restoreXmodmap(keyList=[]):
to restore the entire saved xmodmap.
"""
-toRestore = []
-lines = _originalXmodmap.split("\n")
-if not keyLis
Re: [VINUX-DEVELOPMENT] Orca caps-lock fix
I've attached an alternate patch to Orca to fix the caps lock problem
that does not require any change to any other package. It's a bit of
a hack. It calls xkbcomp to get the entire keyboard state, makes the
change we need, and calls xkbcomp again to write the modified keyboard
map.
On the positive side, it should in theory just work for everyone, and
there's no need to delay the fix while we wait on an upstream patch.
My recommendation is to go ahead and apply (and Orca-fy) the patch to
orca.py while we wait for upstream to add the new caps mode, and for
the various distros that work with orca to ship with the new mode.
Then we can ship the simpler patch that just enables the new caps lock
mode.
I'll get the upstream patch started ASAP, after a meeting I'm about to
attend. However, it will probably be a while before Orca can count on
having the new caps mode. In the meantime, this hack should work
well.
Bill
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Don Marang wrote:
> Great work! It appears that the right people are prepared to implement this
> change for orca and Ubuntu.
>
> Do I read this right that a change is also required from another package,
> setxkbmap? Has the developers of this package been notified? I have no
> visibility into their development. Are they receptive or will we need to
> nag to get this change implemented?
>
>
> Don Marang
>
> On 11/8/2011 5:33 PM, Bill Cox wrote:
>
> The old xmodmap program seems to be beginning to break down. It's
> considered obsolete and has been replaced with setxkbmap. Orca uses
> xmodmap to disable the caps lock key, but in newer versions of
> xmodmap, that also causes it to no longer work as a modifier key. I
> believe this is why we're seeing the caps lock key Unbuntu Oneiric
> toggling whenever pressed.
>
> On my system, I got it working with a patch to Orca to use setxkbmap,
> and by editing some configuration files in the xkeyboard-config
> package to add a new caps lock configuration, which I called "orca".
> Done this way, this option shows up in the Keyboard settings dialog
> along with the other settings for the caps lock key, which is kind of
> cool. I have Orca enable the orca mode with:
>
> setxkbmap -option caps:orca
>
> and disable it with:
>
> setxkbmap -option
>
> I've attached diff files created with diff -Naur. The orca.py patch
> is fairly simple. The down side is that it requires the new orca mode
> in the xkb configuration, so these patches have to be in sync.
>
> Bill
>
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--- orca.py.saved 2011-11-08 17:11:33.584217326 -0500
+++ orca.py 2011-11-09 15:03:18.153468609 -0500
@@ -29,6 +29,8 @@
import getopt
import os
+import subprocess
+import re
import signal
import sys
import time
@@ -1415,6 +1417,45 @@
settings.silenceSpeech = True
return True
+def _setXmodmap(xkbmap):
+"""Set the keyboard map using xkbcomp."""
+p = subprocess.Popen(['xkbcomp', '-w0', '-', os.environ['DISPLAY']],
+stdin=subprocess.PIPE, stdout=None, stderr=None)
+p.communicate(xkbmap)
+
+def _setCapsLockAsOrcaModifier(enable):
+"""Enable or disable use of the caps lock key as an Orca modifier key."""
+interpretCapsLineProg = re.compile(
+r'^\s*interpret\s+Caps[_+]Lock[_+]AnyOfOrNone\s*\(all\)\s*{\s*$', re.I)
+capsModLineProg = re.compile(
+r'^\s*action\s*=\s*SetMods\s*\(\s*modifiers\s*=\s*Lock\s*,\s*clearLocks\s*\)\s*;\s*$', re.I)
+normalCapsLineProg = re.compile(
+r'^\s*action\s*=\s*LockMods\s*\(\s*modifiers\s*=\s*Lock\s*\)\s*;\s*$', re.I)
+normalCapsLine = 'action= LockMods(modifiers=Lock);'
+capsModLine ='action= SetMods(modifiers=Lock,clearLocks);'
+global _originalXmodmap
+lines = _originalXmodmap.split('\n')
+foundCapsInterpretSection = False
+for i in range(len(lines)):
+line = lines[i]
+if not foundCapsInterpretSection:
+if interpretCapsLineProg.match(line):
+foundCapsInterpretSection = True
+else:
+if enable:
+if normalCapsLineProg.match(line):
+lines[i] = capsModLine
+_setX
Vinux featured on ViewPoints
I thought some folks on this list might be interested to know that the Vinux project was recently featured on the ViewPoints radio show / podcast. ViewPoints is a weekly, half hour show that focuses on a wide range of topics of interest to people with low vision. Previous topics have included free screen readers, advanced features of JAWS, music performance and production, tips on vacationing and exercising, etc. You can learn more about ViewPoints as well as find links to the podcast, archived show and show notes, and more at the URL: www.ViewPointsPlus.net The episode which features Vinux is show #1136: ViewPoints 1136 9-7-2011 Vinux - accessible operating system Show Notes Hosts Peter Torpey and Nancy Goodman Torpey devote this entire show to Vinux, a fully accessible and easy to use computer operating system. Besides describing how it works, they interview two of its creators and explain how you can get involved in follow-on improvements, updates and upgrades. Enjoy! --Pete Check out ViewPoints A weekly, half hour radio program for people living with low vision Find out more about the show and links to the podcasts at: www.ViewPointsPlus.net Send suggestions or comments to: cont...@viewpointsplus.net -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux Survey
I have set up a survey to collect feedback from people who use or have tried Vinux. I created using LimeSurvey and it seems to be very accessible with Orca. There are thirty questions in total and all of these are mandatory apart from the last question which allows you to provide any additional feedback not covered in the previous 29 questions. I would also like feedback on the survey design as this is the first time I have installed LimeSurvey on my server and I am still learning the ropes as it were. You can only submit your answers once, allthough you can choose to save what you have done and finish it later on, and you can cancel the survey at any time. I have thrown a few curve-balls in there to keep you on your toes. The submissions are completely anonymous and the results will be publically published. I have set it up so that anyone can respond with no registration necessary, however if we get a lot of spam and or abusive entries I will change this setting. Have fun. You can find the survey here: http://www.vinux.org.uk/survey/ drbongo -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Vinux 3.2 Released!
Hi Run wget inside a screen session or use nohup command. If you are trying to download from a network connectivity issues use the following command. wget -c -t 0 -T 20 example.com/new.iso HTH Regards, - Arky Free Software Developer& ICT Consultant Hanoi, Vietnam Blog - http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com Twitter - @playingwithsid - Follow me! -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Vinux 3.2 Released!
The http isn't your problem here in terms of accuracy. Your problem is that you do not use the correct tool to do the download with http. When you want accuracy with http, you properly use wget for downloads and its sibling wput for uploads. A command like:On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, David Sexton wrote: wget -bc will do an accurate download for you and you can check its progress too. The -b switch says to make a log file and the first one that is made will be wget-log. The -c switch says if the download breaks for whatever reason resume the download. The wget utility checks to make sure when the file is downloaded you get every byte that's on the other end and doesn't quit until it is satisfied you got an exact copy. Let's talk about that log file since making it does a couple things for you. First, all output goes to the log file which means you can use the computer to do other things while the download continues in the background. Second, to check progress of file download a command like: wc -l wget-log will return the number of lines in wget-log. Repeating that command should show an increasing line number as the file is download but will stop when the file is completed. When you think it has stopped a command like: tail -4 wget-log shows you the last four lines in the wget-log file. Those four lines will contain a message that file download is saved and at 100% when the file download is complete. You do want to delete wget-log with a command like: rm wget-log when download is complete since that way your next wget-log file isn't named wget-log.1 and the one after that isn't named wget-log.2 and so on. HTH. > Great work! > Is there a more accurate way to download this other than http? torrent for > example. > What about a USB edition? > David > > David Sexton > +91 9400223351 > > > On 6/27/2011 11:44 PM, Tony Sales wrote: > > I am happy to announce the release of Vinux 3.2 based on Ubuntu 11.04 - this > > is a cutting edge release featuring the latest versions of Orca > > (3.1.2-xdesktop) and Speech-Dispatcher (0.8~2784+13~maverick1) from the > > daily build repos. This version is available as CD and DVD in both 32 and 64 > > bit. The DVD version provides the same software as the CD but with the > > addition of libreoffice and some non-free multimedia codecs etc. The default > > desktop is Classic Gnome 2.x but Unity is available from the GDM login > > screen if your video card supports 3D. This release includes the Pico TTS > > voices in addition to Espeak, the Epiphany Internet Browser and built-in > > keybindings to quickly organise multiple windows with x-tile. It also > > features some new packages including Orca-Teacher, Talking Clock and CDBurn. > > This version also plays a system bell when the isolinux boot screen appears > > allowing you to select different boot options including an experimental > > 'toram' mode. > > > > http://vinux.green-oval.net/Vinux-3.2-i386-CD.iso > > Size: 665MB > > md5sum: 9c06b253f6826a03265d4b79e87c7b > > 7d Vinux-3.2-i386-CD.iso > > > > http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.2/Vinux-3.2-amd64-CD.iso > > Size: 689MB > > md5sum: ed4931b944b8b4e0b142dff46590a17c Vinux-3.2-amd64-CD.iso > > > > http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.2/Vinux-3.2-i386-DVD.iso > > Size: 1GB > > md5sum: 6ff7a4cc10aab7c7ecf4bb1fe9cfef37 Vinux-3.2-i386-DVD.iso > > > > http://vinux.green-oval.net/Vinux-3.2-amd64-DVD.iso > > Size: 967MB > > md5sum: a63c1a6c27195be76bd13d1f1d3d7923 Vinux-3.2-amd64-DVD.iso > > > > > > Additional Release Information for the Vinux Website etc. > > > > There is also a Vinux 3.2 PLUS edition which features lots of extra packages > > for partially sighted users: > > > > http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.2/Vinux-3.2-i386-PLUS.iso > > Size 2.6GB > > f015779d78ced8b1b3edf668e1809d84 > > > > http://vinux.green-oval.net/Vinux-3.2-amd64-PLUS.iso > > Size: 2.7GB > > md5sum: 5bb475310d1bd877bfd2da584d51f998 > > > > I have managed to fit more text tools on the CD edition including: sox gpm > > screen splitvt figlet cmatrix txt2html html2text pdf2svg pstotext units mc > > trash-cli vrms dict sc htop linuxinfo w3m elinks-lite urlview finch axel > > calcurse tdl. > > > > Known Bugs: > > > > Selecting the Cicero speech synth will crash Orca and you will have to run: > > orca -t to reset everything back to the way it was. So do not select Cicero. > > > > The x-tile keybinding to 'quad' tile open windows was set to 'win+alt+v' by > > accident - to correct this open the keyboard shortcuts manager and re-assign > > it to 'win+alt+q' - then the vertical tile option will work as well > > (win+alt+v). > > > > > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Vinux 3.2 Released!
Great work! Is there a more accurate way to download this other than http? torrent for example. What about a USB edition? David David Sexton +91 9400223351 On 6/27/2011 11:44 PM, Tony Sales wrote: I am happy to announce the release of Vinux 3.2 based on Ubuntu 11.04 - this is a cutting edge release featuring the latest versions of Orca (3.1.2-xdesktop) and Speech-Dispatcher (0.8~2784+13~maverick1) from the daily build repos. This version is available as CD and DVD in both 32 and 64 bit. The DVD version provides the same software as the CD but with the addition of libreoffice and some non-free multimedia codecs etc. The default desktop is Classic Gnome 2.x but Unity is available from the GDM login screen if your video card supports 3D. This release includes the Pico TTS voices in addition to Espeak, the Epiphany Internet Browser and built-in keybindings to quickly organise multiple windows with x-tile. It also features some new packages including Orca-Teacher, Talking Clock and CDBurn. This version also plays a system bell when the isolinux boot screen appears allowing you to select different boot options including an experimental 'toram' mode. http://vinux.green-oval.net/Vinux-3.2-i386-CD.iso Size: 665MB md5sum: 9c06b253f6826a03265d4b79e87c7b 7d Vinux-3.2-i386-CD.iso http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.2/Vinux-3.2-amd64-CD.iso Size: 689MB md5sum: ed4931b944b8b4e0b142dff46590a17c Vinux-3.2-amd64-CD.iso http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.2/Vinux-3.2-i386-DVD.iso Size: 1GB md5sum: 6ff7a4cc10aab7c7ecf4bb1fe9cfef37 Vinux-3.2-i386-DVD.iso http://vinux.green-oval.net/Vinux-3.2-amd64-DVD.iso Size: 967MB md5sum: a63c1a6c27195be76bd13d1f1d3d7923 Vinux-3.2-amd64-DVD.iso Additional Release Information for the Vinux Website etc. There is also a Vinux 3.2 PLUS edition which features lots of extra packages for partially sighted users: http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.2/Vinux-3.2-i386-PLUS.iso Size 2.6GB f015779d78ced8b1b3edf668e1809d84 http://vinux.green-oval.net/Vinux-3.2-amd64-PLUS.iso Size: 2.7GB md5sum: 5bb475310d1bd877bfd2da584d51f998 I have managed to fit more text tools on the CD edition including: sox gpm screen splitvt figlet cmatrix txt2html html2text pdf2svg pstotext units mc trash-cli vrms dict sc htop linuxinfo w3m elinks-lite urlview finch axel calcurse tdl. Known Bugs: Selecting the Cicero speech synth will crash Orca and you will have to run: orca -t to reset everything back to the way it was. So do not select Cicero. The x-tile keybinding to 'quad' tile open windows was set to 'win+alt+v' by accident - to correct this open the keyboard shortcuts manager and re-assign it to 'win+alt+q' - then the vertical tile option will work as well (win+alt+v). -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 3.2 Released!
I am happy to announce the release of Vinux 3.2 based on Ubuntu 11.04 - this is a cutting edge release featuring the latest versions of Orca (3.1.2-xdesktop) and Speech-Dispatcher (0.8~2784+13~maverick1) from the daily build repos. This version is available as CD and DVD in both 32 and 64 bit. The DVD version provides the same software as the CD but with the addition of libreoffice and some non-free multimedia codecs etc. The default desktop is Classic Gnome 2.x but Unity is available from the GDM login screen if your video card supports 3D. This release includes the Pico TTS voices in addition to Espeak, the Epiphany Internet Browser and built-in keybindings to quickly organise multiple windows with x-tile. It also features some new packages including Orca-Teacher, Talking Clock and CDBurn. This version also plays a system bell when the isolinux boot screen appears allowing you to select different boot options including an experimental 'toram' mode. http://vinux.green-oval.net/Vinux-3.2-i386-CD.iso Size: 665MB md5sum: 9c06b253f6826a03265d4b79e87c7b 7d Vinux-3.2-i386-CD.iso http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.2/Vinux-3.2-amd64-CD.iso Size: 689MB md5sum: ed4931b944b8b4e0b142dff46590a17c Vinux-3.2-amd64-CD.iso http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.2/Vinux-3.2-i386-DVD.iso Size: 1GB md5sum: 6ff7a4cc10aab7c7ecf4bb1fe9cfef37 Vinux-3.2-i386-DVD.iso http://vinux.green-oval.net/Vinux-3.2-amd64-DVD.iso Size: 967MB md5sum: a63c1a6c27195be76bd13d1f1d3d7923 Vinux-3.2-amd64-DVD.iso Additional Release Information for the Vinux Website etc. There is also a Vinux 3.2 PLUS edition which features lots of extra packages for partially sighted users: http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.2/Vinux-3.2-i386-PLUS.iso Size 2.6GB f015779d78ced8b1b3edf668e1809d84 http://vinux.green-oval.net/Vinux-3.2-amd64-PLUS.iso Size: 2.7GB md5sum: 5bb475310d1bd877bfd2da584d51f998 I have managed to fit more text tools on the CD edition including: sox gpm screen splitvt figlet cmatrix txt2html html2text pdf2svg pstotext units mc trash-cli vrms dict sc htop linuxinfo w3m elinks-lite urlview finch axel calcurse tdl. Known Bugs: Selecting the Cicero speech synth will crash Orca and you will have to run: orca -t to reset everything back to the way it was. So do not select Cicero. The x-tile keybinding to 'quad' tile open windows was set to 'win+alt+v' by accident - to correct this open the keyboard shortcuts manager and re-assign it to 'win+alt+q' - then the vertical tile option will work as well (win+alt+v). -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Two Vinux questions: the network adapter and shell access (was: Re: Searching for a preconfigured Ubuntu image with Orca (VMware))
Hi, Thank you for your detailed instructions. :) Vinux is now running in VMware :) *happy* During the upgrade process the network/internet connection was failured. And as next I'd like to access in with WinSCP. Is it possible in VMware? Thanks. -René -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 3.0.1 Released!
The Vinux 3.0.1 release based on Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS is now available for download. This combines all of the accessibility of Vinux 3.1 with the stability of Vinux 3.0 as well as a few completely new features. In addition to the existing three screen-readers (Orca, Speakup and YASR) this release also includes Emacspeak 'The Complete Audio Desktop' pre-configured and ready to go out of the box. You can now create audio books from text-based files using our exclusive Audiobook Converter package, browse our new HTML based Vinux Manual to help get you started, install the latest version of Libre Office using an EasyInstall script, and customise your desktop experience with Ubuntu Tweak. It is initially available as a 32bit CD - http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.01/Vinux-3.0.1-X86.iso - md5sum: d1ba630b56e25037e129af9853be38 99 - 665MB - a 64bit CD - http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.01/Vinux-3.0.1-X64.iso - md5sum: e565b4a3f7e11aef8c87489feeef8fd9 - 700MB and a 32bit DVD version - http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.01/Vinux-3.0.1-X86-DVD.iso - md5sum: 20a11d1d752077ca82cfcf614095420f - 1.5GB which comes with Libre Office and non-free multimedia codecs pre-installed. A 64bit DVD and a 32bit USB version will be available shortly. Users should also note that the official website has now moved to http://vinuxproject.org<http://vinuxproject.org/> Tony Sales -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Fwd: [VINUX-SUPPORT] Vinux 3.1 Virtual Edition now released!
Begin forwarded message: > From: Mobeen Iqbal > Date: December 14, 2010 4:37:33 PM EST > To: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com > Subject: [VINUX-SUPPORT] Vinux 3.1 Virtual Edition now released! > Reply-To: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com > > I am pleased to announce the release of Vinux 3.1 Virtual Edition. Apart > from the functionality and bug fixes offered in the latest Vinux release, the > following improvements were made to the Virtual edition it self: > > * Vinux 3.1 was built using the latest version of VMWare player, a copy of > which is included. The new version offers people the ability among other > things to automatically install VMWare tools in to Vinux, a feature not > previously seen when using VMWare products on Ubuntu. This is only required > if the user wishes to make their own Virtual machine, the tools are already > installed and fully functional for this release. > * A file was added to fix volume issues. "fix mixer issues.bat" was included > in the VMWare files folder. when run, this file insures the volume of vinux > is the same as the volume of the host operating system, though by default the > volume was set to high so most users won't need to use this. > * The volume keys were changed from control alt arrows to win alt arrows. > This means that windows key alt and right arrow will make the volume higher, > windows+alt+left arrow will lower the volume etc. > * Documentation was updated to reflect version number changes and to correct > errors. > > Please also spread the word on other lists as i'm not a member of all of > them. a version for any operating system will follow shortly, the windows > version has been released as a priority. > > Any feedback greatly apreciated! > > It is now available for download from the following links. > > http://vinuxvirtual.org.uk/Downloads/Vinux-3.1-Virtual-Edition.exe > > http://vinuxvirtual.org.uk/Downloads/Vinux-3.1-Virtual-Edition.exe.md5.txt > > Mirrors: > > http://www.QuantumMyst.com/Vinux-3.1-Virtual-Edition.exe > > http://www.QuantumMyst.com/Vinux-3.1-Virtual-Edition.md5.txt > > http://sina.fi.ncsu.edu/Vinux-3.1-Virtual-Edition.exe > > http://sina.fi.ncsu.edu/Vinux-3.1-Virtual-Edition.md5.txt > > Mo. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Vinux Support Forum" group. > To post to this group, send email to vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vinux-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support?hl=en. > > Vinux Home Page: http://vinux.org.uk/ > Vinux Wiki > Documentation:http://wiki.vinuxvirtual.org.uk/index.php?title=Main_Page -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 3.1 Released
Sorry link was incomplete - http://vinux.org.uk/downloads.html -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 3.1 Released
I am pleased to announce that Vinux 3.1 (Based on Ubuntu 10.10) is now ready for download from the Vinux mirrors! It is currently available as a CD or DVD in both 32 and 64bit versions (USB and Virtual versions will follow shortly). It has been a long time coming, but hopefully it will be worth the wait. On top of all the usual accessibility software, new features include a Quick Start Guide for beginners (Ctrl+Alt+Q), Autokey-GTK which can insert text automatically as you type based on pre-defined abbreviation, the Parcellite Clipboard Manager which allows you paste text from the clipboard history, X-Tile which allows you to tile windows automatically, Gnome Media Player as an accessible front-end to VLC, Conkeror a keyboard controlled Web Browser, Pidgin the Internet Messenger (with all the plugins) and Gufw a simple but effective Firewall Manager. For more detailed information checkout the full announcement on the Vinux Development Blog! You can get a copy of Vinux 3.1 from http://vinux.org.uk/downloads ! drbongo -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 3.0 USB and DVD Editions!
On behalf of the Vinux Development Team I am happy to announce that final versions of the USB and DVD Editions of Vinux 3.0 are now available for download from the website: http://vinux.org.uk/downloads - There are three different versions of the USB Edition available - Two of these are simply images of an installed USB Vinux system which can easily be copied to a USB pendrive of an equal or greater size using the 'dd' command in Linux. The third version is a 'Universal' Edition which can be installed to any USB pendrive of 1GB or greater on Linux or Windows. Full instructions are available inside the zip file for Windows users. The DVD Edition is simply the standard version of Vinux 3.0 with all of the optional EasyInstall packages installed by default along with a few bonus packages. Please note that the DVD version contain proprietary multi-media codecs and some applications that are only accessible with magnification, but not with a screen-reader. This version is perhaps suitable for VI users who have sighted family members and would like an OS that all of the family can use. There are some direct download links below: Vinux 3.0 DVD http://sina.fi.ncsu.edu/Vinux-3.0-DVD.iso Vinux 3.0 USB 2G http://sina.fi.ncsu.edu/Vinux-3.0-2GB.img.xz Vinux 3.0 USB 4G http://sina.fi.ncsu.edu/Vinux-3.0-4GB.img.xz Vinux 3.0 USB Windows http://sina.fi.ncsu.edu/Vinux-3.0-USB-Win.zip -- drbongo Dig that crazy beat on the drums: <http://vinux.org.uk> The best is getting better! -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux to be used as Ubuntu Accessibility testing platform.
Hi all I may have told a few people here and there over the past few weeks, but I have decided to use Vinux as a test platform for accessibility related features. The plan is to test such features, make sure they are well implemented, and then as time and code/setup maturity permits, they will be merged into the main Ubuntu distribution proper. This work will start by moving Vinux disk building over to a the same framework used to build official Ubuntu CDs. Canonical won't be building the disks, but I know how to set up the framework. This will allow for much easier development of Vinux, and allow for much more rapid development, as there will be the opportunity for daily builds, basing different builds on different Ubuntu releases, etc. Regards Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 3.0 Released!
On behalf of the whole Vinux community I am happy to announce the 3rd release of Vinux - Linux for the Visually Impaired, based on Ubuntu 10.04 - Lucid Lynx. This version of Vinux provides three screen-readers, two full-screen magnifiers, dynamic font-size/colour-theme changing as well as support for USB Braille displays. Vinux is now available both as an installable live CD and as a .deb package which will automatically convert an existing installation of Ubuntu Lucid into an accessible Vinux system! In addition, we now have our own Vinux package repository (from which you can install our customised packages with apt-get/synaptic) and a dedicated Vinux IRC channel. In the very near future we will also be launching a Vinux Wiki and releasing special DVD, USB and Virtual Editions of Vinux 3.0! To download Vinux 3.0 or to get more information on the project please visit the Vinux Project Homepage at http://vinux.org.uk or use these direct links: Download: http://sina.fi.ncsu.edu/Vinux-3.0.iso (685MB, MD5: 7cc8ac0ed5eaef45dbf215279da3660f) Mirrors: http://vinux.org.uk/downloads.html drbongo -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
FW: Vinux 3.0 Released!
On behalf of the whole Vinux community I am happy to announce the 3rd release of Vinux - Linux for the Visually Impaired, based on Ubuntu 10.04 - Lucid Lynx. This version of Vinux provides three screen-readers, two full-screen magnifiers, dynamic font-size/colour-theme changing as well as support for USB Braille displays. Vinux is now available both as an installable live CD and as a .deb package which will automatically convert an existing installation of Ubuntu Lucid into an accessible Vinux system! In addition, we now have our own Vinux package repository (from which you can install our customised packages with apt-get/synaptic) and a dedicated Vinux IRC channel. In the very near future we will also be launching a Vinux Wiki and releasing special DVD, USB and Virtual Editions of Vinux 3.0! To download Vinux 3.0 or to get more information on the project please visit the Vinux Project Homepage at http://vinux.org.uk or use these direct links: Download: http://sina.fi.ncsu.edu/Vinux-3.0.iso (685MB, MD5: 7cc8ac0ed5eaef45dbf215279da3660f) Mirrors: http://vinux.org.uk/downloads.html drbongo -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 3.0 released!
On behalf of the whole Vinux community I am happy to announce the 3rd release of Vinux - Linux for the Visually Impaired, based on Ubuntu 10.04 - Lucid Lynx. This version of Vinux provides three screen- readers, two full-screen magnifiers, dynamic font-size/colour-theme changing as well as support for USB Braille displays. Vinux is now available both as an installable live CD and as a .deb package which will automatically convert an existing installation of Ubuntu Lucid into an accessible Vinux system! In addition, we now have our own Vinux package repository (from which you can install our customised packages with apt-get/synaptic) and a dedicated Vinux IRC channel. In the very near future we will also be launching a Vinux Wiki and releasing special DVD, USB and Virtual Editions of Vinux 3.0! To download Vinux 3.0 or to get more information on the project please visit the Vinux Project Homepage at http://vinux.org.uk or use these direct links: Download: http://sina.fi.ncsu.edu/Vinux-3.0.iso (685MB, MD5: 7cc8ac0ed5eaef45dbf215279da3660f) Mirrors: http://vinux.org.uk/downloads.html drbongo Dig that crazy beat on the drums: <http://vinux.org.uk> The best is getting better! -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
vinux
hello group today i install ubuntu on my pc i want to install voxsin tts i don't no Howe it will work please tell me how to do thanks! abdul basit email: zps...@hotmail.com skipe: zps2121-- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Strange behavior when reading but Child in Vinux Lucid
Hi, I meant "character", not "child". My bad in grade 2 braille. On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:39:16 -0400, Dave Hunt wrote: >Hi, List! > >When reading by child in text areas, I notice a tendency of Orca to be silent >while the cursor >moves over chs, but they will be spoken every two or three. This may also >happen when moving word-wise. >I wonder what combination of speech dispatcher, espeak, and orca settings will >fix this? > >Great job on Vinux 3 rc 1. > >Dave H. > >-- >Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Strange behavior when reading but Child in Vinux Lucid
Hi, List! When reading by child in text areas, I notice a tendency of Orca to be silent while the cursor moves over chs, but they will be spoken every two or three. This may also happen when moving word-wise. I wonder what combination of speech dispatcher, espeak, and orca settings will fix this? Great job on Vinux 3 rc 1. Dave H. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Reversed Shift in Vinux Lucid RC 1
After installing the subject distro and restarting the system, I logged in, and opened a web site. When trying to log onto the site, I discovered that my username and password were in all upper-case. Furthermore, all terminal inmput was in upper case, as well. Holding shift allowed me to get lower-case letters. Taping caps-lock did not fix this. Quitting and restarting Orca, also failed to fix. I had to log out and back in on the system, to correct the case. Thanks for any suggestions on how to fix this, other than "log out and back in". Best, Dave -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Netbook now running Vinux (Lucid)
Hi, List! Thanks for all your suggestions re: my troubles with making and using usb installers. I was able to create a Vinux Lucid alpha 3 usb, using unetbootin. I'm using the machine and noticing lots of lag in the speech. Also, this Orca has trouble staying focused. My right alt key no longer works. Also, when I use 'alt-tab', the names of running apps are not spoken. How much of this trouble is Vinux-specific? Maybe some is specific to Lucid? Finally, How much of this is related to the Asus hardware and/or the operating system's support for same? Thanks again, Dave -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: vinux 2.1
There seems to be a developers list at vinux-developm...@googlegroups.com according to http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-development I see no evidence of a users list at the moment. HTH Hugh On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Kenny Hitt wrote: > Hi. The Vinux developers should have there own mailing list. > In linux, setting up a mailing list is easy. Not sure of it's > address, but this list is about Ubuntu and not vinux. > > Kenny > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 07:05:02AM -0500, chad wrote: > > Hi not sure where to post this I downloaded vinux 2.1 the big iso and can't > > get it installed. > > The cd spins and I get no speech. > > I had a sighted person read it and it said buffering and the numbers kept > > climbing. > > > -- > > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: vinux 2.1
Hi. The Vinux developers should have there own mailing list. In linux, setting up a mailing list is easy. Not sure of it's address, but this list is about Ubuntu and not vinux. Kenny On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 07:05:02AM -0500, chad wrote: > Hi not sure where to post this I downloaded vinux 2.1 the big iso and can't > get it installed. > The cd spins and I get no speech. > I had a sighted person read it and it said buffering and the numbers kept > climbing. > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
vinux 2.1
Hi not sure where to post this I downloaded vinux 2.1 the big iso and can't get it installed. The cd spins and I get no speech. I had a sighted person read it and it said buffering and the numbers kept climbing. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Accessible install and Vinux?
Dear List, In future, important need functions I think when accessible install is selected for example with screenreader support: 1. Default, always working accessible login feature. I wroted an e-mail, how can I do working this function my system and my doed live cd with default Ubuntu settings. 2. Default braille display detection. This is possible easy, if the /etc/default/brltty file looks like this: # This is a configuration file for /etc/init.d/brltty; it allows you to # perform common modifications to the behavior of the brltty daemon # startup. # Arguments to pass to BRLTTY ARGUMENTS="-q" # If true (or yes) BRLTTY will be started during initramfs execution. # If you change this setting, you have to run "update-initramfs -u" to have it # take effect. If this setting is on, "update-initramfs -u" also needs to be # run if /etc/brltty.conf gets changed. START_IN_INITRAMFS=true I am not tested, because I have'nt got a braille display. Oldest /etc/default/brltty file only contains the RUN_BRLTTY=yes line, and this is works for Jaunty. 3. In target system, installer need copying the actual created target user accessibility specific settings with target system/etc/skel directory. This resulting default accessibility support when the admin user would like created a new user. Need setting up in target system the accessible login feature with choosed application (screen reader, magnifyer, onscreen keyboard). 4. Need add importanter keybinding shortcuts, but this is optional. Launch terminal, launch webbrowser, e-mail client, etc. 5. Console screen reader support, if need launch a recovery system with actual kernel recovery mode if happen a system crash: this is difficulter. For example, impossible localizing Speakup with spokening special non english language characters. This characters defined with the main.c file if I remember right. What happen if upgrading a kernel version? Now, not have native speakup-module package with Ubuntu repository, only speakup-source package have, and need compile with speakup with module-assistant. In debian, have native speakup-module packages already doed. 6. In very future, need adding daisy reading support, if have a good daisy player with supports Daisy 3.0 books. But this is difficulter. 7. In very future, need an audio book converter application. I doed a hungarian application, but this application is not good another language users. My application using Espeak to converts different text file formats with mp3 sound file. Possible change the speech rate, speech pitch, cutting time, converted mp3 bitrate. My application is a simple bash script with using zenity with graphical frontend, and full accessible with Orca. My application using external converters to doing plain text files with pdf, doc, odt, html file formats before conversion. But, the future is Daisy. If possible do an universal Daisy book converter applications with supports different speech synthesizers, this is very perfect purpose, but my knovledge is now not enough to do this. Possible Daisy Pipeline is a good starting point to generate Daisy xml file with supported formats. 8. Need add with Navigation bundle extension with Firefox (Links list and Headings list). For example, this is difficulter. I localized the 1.4 version with hungarian language, but I don't no how can sending with the extension developer the localized version. But, if this is possible solving with Ubuntu specific extension, I am welcome sending the localization specific files. 9. Need add run_terminal setting with true with password required administration applications (for example synaptic icon) with all administration privileged users, because any application with using gksu don't talking when the password are gived. Remove the password protection is not a good way, because resulting security risk. Bill, you would like a separate Vinux like iso with Ubuntu Lucid, or would like integrated normal Ubuntu Lucid iso with supports Vinux style accessible desktop features? I ask this, if you would like an integrated solution, for example if I would like do a hungarian localized version of full accessible Ubuntu Lucid iso, need I do some only hungarian specific modification with impossible to do centralized way. For example, now some keystrokes little different with BeLin and Vinux (launch webbrowser, launch e-mail clients, etc), but this is not problem, if we talking a standard keystrokes. This is better way I think, and easy to solving. If the Ubuntu Accessibility Community accepts Vinux style key strokes by default, better way to applyed this keystrokes with standard Ubuntu versions. This is simplest your and me cd manufacturing. But, for example with hungarian BeLin version I need setting up default Speech-dispatcher language with "hu" in /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf and actual user speech-dispatcher con
Re: Accessible install and Vinux?
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 07:27:58AM PST, Bill Cox wrote: > I think Lucid is on track to be a fabulous distro for accessibility. > I'm working on a Vinux ISO based on Ubuntu Lucid, and I'm pretty > excited about it. > > However, even better than having a separate ISO would be having a > Vinux-like install option. Is there any chance that the we Vinux guys > could work with the Luke and the Ubuntu accessibility guys on adding a > bunch of cool accessibility stuff automatically when an accessible > install is selected? In particular, a more accessible desktop > environment (different /etc/skel), and speakup support would be a huge > improvement for an accessible install, IMO. It is certainly possible, but you need to give me a list of what you would like to see implemented. However, speakup is a no go, as that requires introducing extra packages to the CD, which atkes up space which is already at a premium. There is also the issue of supporting the speakup code, i.e Canonical support/security making sure its supportable, and security updates are easy to release. I personally feel rather uncomfortable with trying to introduce speakup at this late stage of the lucid cycle, maybe for lucid+1, if the speakup code is clean and performs well enough. For everything else, just fire away with a list of features, and I will see what I can do for you. BTW I am the only person working on Ubuntu accessibility, elp is always welcome if you wish to offer it. :) Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Accessible install and Vinux?
I think Lucid is on track to be a fabulous distro for accessibility. I'm working on a Vinux ISO based on Ubuntu Lucid, and I'm pretty excited about it. However, even better than having a separate ISO would be having a Vinux-like install option. Is there any chance that the we Vinux guys could work with the Luke and the Ubuntu accessibility guys on adding a bunch of cool accessibility stuff automatically when an accessible install is selected? In particular, a more accessible desktop environment (different /etc/skel), and speakup support would be a huge improvement for an accessible install, IMO. I'd much rather work on an accessible install for Ubuntu than a separate Vinux/Ubuntu ISO. Any chance this could happen? Thanks, Bill -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
vinux Distribution
Hellow, list;
I installed vinux which is a version of Debian Linux
that is optimized for blind and visually-impaired users so it
comes up speaking. This is a little gem. As the owner of several
still-serviceable but older computers, vinux gives new life to them.
I tried the ubuntu-live CD on a Dell laptop dating back
to 2003. It contains 256 megs of RAM but still died due to lack
of RAM.
The "vinux" live CD is a talking console using speakup
and appears to be a one-man effort.
http://vinux-development.blogspot.com/
I mention it on this list because I saw a previous
posting from somebody who was trying to find a mailing list for
vinux.
We need something like this in a main distribution
because not every system in the real world is cutting-edge
technology nor is it ready for the recyclers either.
When I put vinux on the laptop, it simply started to
work. The only issues are that you must do something about the
keyboard if you live in the United States. You get a UK keyboard
by default. All the letters and numbers are where you expect
them, but try typing in a Email address or redirecting a Unix
command via the pipe symbol and you get a few surprises. The @
sign and double-quote keys are swapped and several others are
not where you are used to finding them.
The Caps-lock key does not announce its status but the
high pitch of the echoed key strokes lets you know after the
fact, and so on.
The loadkeys us commands fixes that and, strangely
enough, the Caps-lock announces its status and toggles normally
when shifted which is a normal behavior under speakup.
The fun starts when trying to make the US keyboard the
default at boot time. You should be able to run
install-keymap us
to replace the default boot-time keymap. It doesn't work and an
exhaustive trouble-shooting session turned up that under vinux,
install-keymap was putting the new map in /etc/console when it
should have put it in /etc/console-setup. Someone simply goofed.
After fixing the keyboard, the rest is more than I ever
hoped for. The speech dispatcher and the audio devices for
playing and recording sound peacefully coexist. From a previous
Oralux distribution on that same laptop, I know that sound
barely worked at all. You could get speech but speech and
anything else usually worked poorly or not at all and failed in
ways that I am sure were interrupt and contingency-related. As a
final blow, the version of speakup that was part of Oralux was
one of the older versions that went in to painfully-slow
spelling mode when one tried to use a RS-232 serial converter
on the USB port.
I haven't tried a serial port under vinux, but
everything else actually works as expected.
I really think separate special distributions are not
the best answer because, when the developer moves on or passes
on, the project dies and we are back to trying to hammer square
pegs in to roud holes or whatever analogy you like to describe
the frustration of trying to mate pieces that don't fit the.
The accessibility project for orca and ubuntu is nothing
short of amazing. If we could only have a way of starting the
live CD in vinux mode so that vinux grows along with the main
distribution, we would have it made in the shade.
The author of vinux actually describes such a hope in
the blog.
As a final thought, I also installed vinux on a
1995-vintage Gateway system with only 64 megs of RAM but a
400-MHZ processor. The speech works flawlessly but 64 megs is
just not enough to let aptitude work correctly so I will have to
add at least 64 more megs and then reinstall vinux as the
virtual disk wasn't big enough to let the installation process
work properly. I am really surprised it works at all.
Sorry for the length of this message but I needed to
explain why this is a very important and useful development.
Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
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Vinux 2.1 Leviathan Edition!
I am happy to announce the release of Vinux 2.1 Leviathan! This is a monsterous hybrid of the Vinux CLI max edition, the standard GUI edition and a wide range of additional applications including Open Office 3.0, the Evolution mail client, the Inkscape vector graphics package, the Scribus desktop publishing tools, the Bluefish webpage editor, the Gambas 2 IDE as well as much more. Obviously not all of these extra tools are accessible to speech/braille users, but partially sighted users can access them with the screen magnifier. This is a very large iso (1.7GB) so you will need a reasonably fast broadband connection to download it. The URL's are: http://vinux.org.uk/latest/Vinux-GUI-leviathan-2.1.iso http://vinux.org.uk/latest/Vinux-GUI-leviathan-2.1.md5sum.txt drbongo -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux CLI 2.1: dna, std and max editions!
I am happy to announce the release of Vinux CLI 2.1 which is now available in three different versions: The 'dna' version is a minimal Debian system which only has five additional applications installed: the speakup screenreader the remastersys installer, the wodim iso burning tool and the aptitude package manager. It weighs in at just under 200MB and is aimed at advanced users who want to build their own customised installation and/or distribution from scratch. The 'std' version is a standard Vinux CLI system with a range of basic desktop applcations including the lynx internet browser, the nano text editor, the mutt e-mail client, the midnight commander file manager and the pdmenu application launcher. This is just under 400MB in size and is aimed at intermediate users who may want to customise the standard version by adding extra applications. The 'max' version is a full CD's worth on command line applications containing as many useful desktop tools and utiliies that I could find in the Debian repositories. This aimed at users who want a ready made CLI system with all the bells and whistles! Both the 'std' and max' editions have the Vinux single character command aliases and a menu system which allows uers to browse and run installed applications. Entering 'm' will open the menu, entering 'h' will bring up a help file which lists all of the keyboard shortcuts and installed applications. These new versions were all built with the new Vinux build script which is included in the /root folder of each edition. You can use this to install pre-selected suites of applications or modify it to build your own customised system. This is also available as a seperate download if you want to modify an existing version of Debian. Download URL's: http://vinux.org.uk/latest/Vinux-CLI-dna-2.1.iso http://vinux.org.uk/latest/Vinux-CLI-std-2.1.iso http://vinux.org.uk/latest/Vinux-CLI-max-2.1.iso http://vinux.org.uk/latest/Vinux-CLI-all-2.1.md5sums.txt http://vinux.org.uk/latest/vinuxCLIscript1.62.tar.gz http://vinux.org.uk/latest/help.txt drbongo -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 2.0 Command Line Interface Edition - Release Announcement
Vinux 2.0 Command Line Interface Edition - Release Announcement I am happy to announce the release of the CLI Edition of Vinux 2.0 ! The CLI edition comes in the form of an installable live CD which provides a console only version of Debian Lenny 5.03 with Speakup installed and enabled by default. This editon is aimed at intermediate and advanced users and perhaps beginners who want an easy introduction to the command line interface. It was inspired by GRML, but is aimed specifically at VI desktop users rather than sighted sysadmins. It comes with over a thousand packages installed covering all of the main catagories: editors, browsers, mail clients, text-based games and lots of utilities etc. It also features over 60 single character command aliases for all of the most common commands e.g. 'm' for menu, 'i' for internet, 'e' for editor etc. To see a full list just type 'h' to view the help file or 'a' to see a list of all of the alias commands. You can find the iso and some documentaion at: http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/CLI-Edition/ Have Fun! drbongo -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Vinux 2.0 help list address?
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Dave Hunt wrote: > I have some issues with Vinux 2.0 and am looking for a user help list. > Anyone have an address to which I can subscribe? Details of the developer list seem to be here: http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-development but I don't see a users list as such. HTH > > Thanks, > > > Dave Hugh -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 2.0 help list address?
I have some issues with Vinux 2.0 and am looking for a user help list. Anyone have an address to which I can subscribe? Thanks, Dave -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Corrected URL's Vinux 2.0 Virtual and USB Editions!
The original URL's I sent where corrupted when I copied and pasted them. Here are the correct URL's, sorry for any inconvenience caused and the double posting. drbongo Vinux Virtual Edition http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/Virtual-Edition/Vinux-2.0-Virtual-Editi on.exe http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/Virtual-Edition/Vinux-2.0-Virtual-Editi on.md5sum.txt Vinux USB Edition (1GB) http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/USB-Edition/Vinux-2.0-USB.img http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/USB-Edition/Vinux-2.0-USB.img.md5sum.tx t Vinux USB Edition (4GB) http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/USB-Edition/Vinux-2.0-4GB.img.tar.bz2 http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/USB-Edition/Vinux-2.0-4GB.img.tar.bz2.m d5sum.txt -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 2.0 Virtual and USB Editions!
Hi, I am happy to announce that there are now two new versions of Vinux 2.0 available: The Vinux 2.0 Virtual Edition which provides a pre-installed and pre-configured VMWare version which will run on both Windows XP and Vista. The Vinux 2.0 USB Edition which is an image of a USB pendrive installation which you can copy straight to a USB pendrive from Windows or Linux without having to boot into Vinux from the live CD. There are two versions available: a standard version 1GB in size, and a large version which is 4GB in size. You can get them here: Vinux Virtual Edition Vinux 2.0 Virtual Edition - http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/Virtual-Edition/Vinux-2.0-Virtual-Editi on.exe Vinux 2.0 Virtual Edition md5sum - http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/Virtual-Edition/Vinux-2.0-Virtual-Editi on.md5sum.txt Vinux USB Edition (1GB) Vinux 2.0 USB Edition (1GB) - http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/USB-Edition/Vinux-2.0-USB.img Vinux 2.0 USB Edition (1GB) - http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/USB-Edition/Vinux-2.0-USB.img.md5sum.tx t Vinux USB Edition (4GB) Vinux 2.0 USB Edition (4GB) http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/USB-Edition/Vinux-2.0-4GB.img.tar.bz2 Vinux 2.0 USB Edition (4GB) md5sum - http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/USB-Edition/Vinux-2.0-4GB.img.tar.bz2.m d5sum.txt drbongo -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 2.0 Released!
Vinux 2.0 Release Announcement/FAQ! I am happy to announce the release of Vinux 2.0! Vinux it is a specialist version of Linux optimised for visually impaired users. It is now based on Debian Lenny which currently provides a more stable platform to build an accessible distribution on than Ubuntu does. Vinux provides a screen-reader, full screen magnification and support for Braille displays out of the box. It can be run from the Live CD without making any changes to your hard drive. If you like it you can install it to a USB thumbdrive or to your hard drive either alongside Windows or as a complete replacement for it. There is also a virtual version available which can run Vinux as a guest operating system using VMWare Player on Windows. The main screen-reader/magnifier is called Orca and the Braille display is supported by Brltty. There is also a secondary screen-reader installed called Speakup, which is a console based screen-reader. This is aimed at more advanced users but can also provide a useful backup in the event of any problems. Vinux provides a wide range of open source software including an internet browser, a file manager, a text editor and various multimedia applications. Vinux is designed to be a completely secure modern desktop system for all the family, visually impaired and sighted alike. Vinux 2.0 is now available from: http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/Vinux-2.0.iso http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/Vinux-2.0.iso.md5sum.txt The full Release Announcement/FAQ is here: http://vinux-development.blogspot.com/2009/08/vinux-20-release-notes.html The instructions on how to build Vinux are here: http://vinux-development.blogspot.com/2009/08/roll-your-own-vinux-20.html A discussion about the future of Vinux is here: http://vinux-development.blogspot.com/2009/08/future-of-vinux.html The Vinux Project is now trying to recruit developers and contributors from the VI community, there is a full list of different ways in which you can contribute to the project at the link above. drbongo 01/09/09 -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Vinux 2.0 Beta 1 Released!
I am happy to announce the release of Vinux 2.0 Beta 1 which is now based on Debian Lenny 5.02. It comes in the form of a Debian Live CD which has Orca and Speakup installed and configured by default. When you boot from the Live CD you will hear three audio beeps when the boot prompt it ready. Once booted Orca will kick in and you can switch to Epeakup in console mode if you prefer a text based system. You can launch admin applications from the menu with Orca support, although the installer, partitioner and restore bootloader applications will only work on the Live CD. You can however run admin applications at any time by using 'sudo' on the Live CD or 'su' once installed. There are lots of customised keystrokes to make opening applications easy and Vinux now features a completely new desktop layout which provides partially sighted users simple one click access to common applications and makes maximum use of the width and depth of the screen. You can read the full release announcement here: http://vinux-development.blogspot.com/ - This is beta release and while I expect most applications to work there may well be issues with hardware compatibility and I would appreciate any feedback on hardware which is/is not supported in the hope I will be able to fix this before the final release. You can get the new version here: http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/Vinux-2.0-Beta-1.iso http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/Vinux-2.0-Beta-1.iso.md5sum.txt And here: http://vinux.archive-host.com/Vinux-20-Beta-1.iso http://vinux.archive-host.com/Vinux-20-Beta-1isomd5sum.txt Enjoy, drbongo -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Untested vinux/ubuntu 9.04 x64 ISO available
I have put a "developer" version of "vinux" on my home server which in theory is similar to vinux 1.5, but based on Ubuntu 9.04 x64. It requires a DVD or USB key to install, since it's about 1.2G. I've labeled it 'alpha1', but that's generous, since I've never tried installing it! I don't have another machine capable of it right now. If anyone has a machine and time to test it, I would appreciate it. Your machine should have >= 1gig RAM, be 64-bit capable, and it should have a fairly recent ATI or Nvidia graphics card capable of supporting Compiz. If you succeed in installing it, I recommend installing the voxin Viavoice package, as described in the document on the desktop. This version installs the most recent source code for atk, at-spi, and orca, in your home directory. It also pulls packages from Ubuntu's 'proposed' repository, and it has many developer tools pre-installed. The ISO is at: http://www.billrocks.org/vinux_ubuntu9.04_amd64_alpha1.iso Your download speed will be pretty pathetic, since I only have about 40KB/sec upload. If I can get the first major bugs fixed, I'll respin the ISO, and find a nicer home for it. Thanks, Bill -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu, Debian and Vinux!
I don't feel you pessimistic at all. except maybe the last sentence. I really enjoyed the reading. Respectful and open-minded. I believe in your words when they reach the understanding level. The one level where the solution is not a correct answer, but the best choice in a certain situations which eventually lead to balance: a suit of equally strong ups and downs or lefts and rights. Not a flat line. Now my only linux experience is poor. It is short (although I'm attracted since 2001) and it is Ubuntu, because they made the only "out of the box" sollution to my hardware (Macintaube) and because they made ubuntu studio. I'm not a VI, and i have understood recently that there seems to be a big audience for linux in that world. And see, (the mind version of that verb) i look forward to what they will bring to it. (it as in linux and open source) Because i believe what forces the frame to burst is it's limitations. Go for what you dreams tell you! They can guide you thru the acid rain drops of the fearfullest critics. Yours encouraging, Sakrecoer On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Anthony Sales wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > First of all I hope this isn't going to end up in a mini flame war in the > same vein as when I announced the start of the Vinux project. let's be > clear > from the start we are all on the same side i.e. we all want an accessible > linux distro that just works out of the box. Whether that distro is Ubuntu, > Debian or any other isn't really important. I for one would happily abandon > the Vinux project if I really thought there was a suitable distro for the > kind of VI learners I work with everyday. But there isn't! > > So what can we do about it. Yes I could throw my efforts in with Ubuntu, > but > I am not an experienced or qualified Linux developer, I am just very > determined and happy to experiment. I wouldn't know were to begin > contributing to a project like Ubuntu. But aside from my own inadequacies, > Luke and others are doing their best to make Ubuntu accessible. But some of > the difficulties they face have been cause by the direction Canonical have > taken. They have for example refused to include an orbitrc file for root on > security grounds, and although I am sure Luke will eventually come up with > a > solution, he also has to deal with pulseAudio etc. I think given the nature > of the changes needed to make a robust, stable and responsive accessible > distro Canonical should acknowledge that the requirements are demanding > enough to have a special version of Ubuntu aimed at VI users. In fact I did > suggest this to canonical in the beginning and they did not want to go down > this route. > > I suppose in an ideal world there should be a distro that is accessible to > all no matter what your disability, but in practise this rarely happens. > Firstly the VI are a small minority of people without much economic clout, > and secondly the difficluties a VI user faces in using a primary graphical > interface are enourmous. So we can either compromise and accept something > that is just about accessible, or we can produce something specially for > the > VI. I am a realist, I am fed up of waiting for an easy to use accessible > linux distro, so I decided to get off my ass and make one. And I got quite > a > lot of harsh criticism for doing so, and had it not been for the > encouragement and support I received from Osvaldo I would probably have > abandoned it shortly afterwards. > > However, the beauty of linux in in choice. There are different ways to > solve > these problems and neither is correct. They are just different. I think a > multiplicity of solutions is a good thing anyway. And if nothing else > starting the Vinux project has really forced me to try to understand how > Linux works under the hood. I would not claim to be a linux expert, but I > am > very experienced teacher with years of experience teaching visually > impaired > students and adults and I know what sort of system they need. It has to be > very simple to use and require no initial understanding of Linux or the > command line etc. > > So back to Ubuntu. As a sighted individual I think Ubuntu is great, it has > made the Linux desktop accessible to people with no interest in computers > per > se, it is easy to use and configure and most hardware just works out of the > box. This made it an obvious base for Vinux. However 9.04 caused a lot of > problems and given the rapid and cutting edge nature of the realeases I > decided reluctantly that I would have to fall back on Debian, which > provides > a much better accessibility experience once configured, although I would > have > to do a lot more work on the hardware side etc. What VI users need is a > s
Ubuntu, Debian and Vinux!
Hi everyone, First of all I hope this isn't going to end up in a mini flame war in the same vein as when I announced the start of the Vinux project. let's be clear from the start we are all on the same side i.e. we all want an accessible linux distro that just works out of the box. Whether that distro is Ubuntu, Debian or any other isn't really important. I for one would happily abandon the Vinux project if I really thought there was a suitable distro for the kind of VI learners I work with everyday. But there isn't! So what can we do about it. Yes I could throw my efforts in with Ubuntu, but I am not an experienced or qualified Linux developer, I am just very determined and happy to experiment. I wouldn't know were to begin contributing to a project like Ubuntu. But aside from my own inadequacies, Luke and others are doing their best to make Ubuntu accessible. But some of the difficulties they face have been cause by the direction Canonical have taken. They have for example refused to include an orbitrc file for root on security grounds, and although I am sure Luke will eventually come up with a solution, he also has to deal with pulseAudio etc. I think given the nature of the changes needed to make a robust, stable and responsive accessible distro Canonical should acknowledge that the requirements are demanding enough to have a special version of Ubuntu aimed at VI users. In fact I did suggest this to canonical in the beginning and they did not want to go down this route. I suppose in an ideal world there should be a distro that is accessible to all no matter what your disability, but in practise this rarely happens. Firstly the VI are a small minority of people without much economic clout, and secondly the difficluties a VI user faces in using a primary graphical interface are enourmous. So we can either compromise and accept something that is just about accessible, or we can produce something specially for the VI. I am a realist, I am fed up of waiting for an easy to use accessible linux distro, so I decided to get off my ass and make one. And I got quite a lot of harsh criticism for doing so, and had it not been for the encouragement and support I received from Osvaldo I would probably have abandoned it shortly afterwards. However, the beauty of linux in in choice. There are different ways to solve these problems and neither is correct. They are just different. I think a multiplicity of solutions is a good thing anyway. And if nothing else starting the Vinux project has really forced me to try to understand how Linux works under the hood. I would not claim to be a linux expert, but I am very experienced teacher with years of experience teaching visually impaired students and adults and I know what sort of system they need. It has to be very simple to use and require no initial understanding of Linux or the command line etc. So back to Ubuntu. As a sighted individual I think Ubuntu is great, it has made the Linux desktop accessible to people with no interest in computers per se, it is easy to use and configure and most hardware just works out of the box. This made it an obvious base for Vinux. However 9.04 caused a lot of problems and given the rapid and cutting edge nature of the realeases I decided reluctantly that I would have to fall back on Debian, which provides a much better accessibility experience once configured, although I would have to do a lot more work on the hardware side etc. What VI users need is a stable, responsive system, not a cutting edge distro with flashy 3D effects etc. So I was not forced to change, but taking everything into account I chose Debian, but it was not an easy decision. However as I said earlier I would abandon the project in a flash if Ubuntu (or any other distro) was accessible to VI users out of the box as it was to sighted users, I just don't think this is going to happen any time soon. Your pessimistically, drbongo -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
