[ubuntu-art] The Wiki for Theme Development - eg New Wave
Hi all, This is just a quick request that images, code, gtkrcs, etc end up on the wiki, rather than places like imageshack and wherever else the New Wave stuff is going 1. We can track progress, easily find and refer to older links/images 2. Some of the ads on the sites being used are NSFW! 3. Puts allows people NOT on the list to stumble accross or find theme information easily 4. Any image format allowed. Adding an image is as simple as putting attachment:filename.png in the page. I normally then preview the page, middle click on the link saying 'upload new attachment' (to open it in a new tab), upload the image and preview the page from the original tab again. To keep things organised use Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid// (eg https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave) Although it's not in the right place, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Blubuntu worked well... Nice to see energy and themeing now filling the list! Who -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] New Wave Metacity
I'm trying to make a metacity theme for New Wave Theme. At moment it's my work: http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacity1cv1.png http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitypressedbf1.png http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacity2fz2.png As a starting point I used Human Rounded Metacity. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
The original ones were better. The version under this lines has lost the "k00l" feeling the previous version had. >I've made one but it is not as good as expected: > http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93045_experimental_122_630lo.jpg -- José Luis Ricón <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
В 22:14 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), Étienne Bersac написа: > Hi, > > About orange. You should keep some brown in it or won't be included as > default. > > Regards, > Étienne. > > Who said the titlebars should be brown? I think that if we have the proper orange accents here and there it would be much better than an eye-strain orange line at the top of each window. Some inspiration: http://img227.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=92144__Africa1_122_432lo.jpg http://img37.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=92148_Africa2_122_1075lo.jpg http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=92153_Africa3_122_641lo.jpg Julian said: > i'd like to see an implementation as-close-as-possible to what was in > Francois' original New Wave mockup (min/max/close titlebar icons > included!) and take it from there with adaptations where necessary > (ideally after testing it).. > I've made one but it is not as good as expected: http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93045_experimental_122_630lo.jpg Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Il giorno mer, 07/05/2008 alle 20.43 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: > > ? 19:53 +0200 ?? 07.05.2008 (??), Giuseppe Pennisi ??: > > Back to speak of the NewWave Theme, > > I tried to invert the gradient in the window decorator + menubar and > remove > > separator from ToolBar. > > > > http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1cc9.png > > > > http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2ww6.png > > > > What you think of it? > > > > Or it: > > > > http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1hg8.png > > > > http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2uw1.png > > > > gp > > > > Sorry to disappoint you but I've been trough this type of gradients > and > it is very confusing to use. > Yes, it's true. Actually using it I have noticed that it is confusing to use. You are wise. :-) > So I made use of compiz Trailfocus plugin. > > As for the line between toolbar and other content I tried that too and > it just doesn't feels right without it. I think we will be able to > implement better line (fading at its ends) when we start the work on > the > engine. > Hi, ok. I understand. gp ps: I started to try to create a theme for metacity. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
..on or around Wed, May 07, 2008 at 08:59:10PM +0300, Anton Kerezov said: > Hello everyone, > > As you may have read ???François and I are wondering what direction the > New Wave theme to go on: > > Either this way: > http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg > ???(the taskbar should be one idea lighter, I think) > > that is closer to: > http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-Dark-67903127 > Brad's mockup is much more resolved than the above New Wave test, though i liked Francois' original mockup just fine. i'd like to see an implementation as-close-as-possible to what was in Francois' original New Wave mockup (min/max/close titlebar icons included!) and take it from there with adaptations where necessary (ideally after testing it).. what i am most worried about is the early dependence on Compiz.. do drop shadows really matter? i know Cory disagrees here but shouldn't you complete a theme without Compiz dependence and then work toward it as an extra? i teach with Ubuntu on a regular basis at university and in several cultural centres: one of the first things i do is turn Compiz off as it simply doesn't play nicely when one is programming 3D graphics applications (a topic i often teach). keep up the good work, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
Étienne Bersac wrote: > Hi, > > About orange. You should keep some brown in it or won't be included as > default. Don't worry about default. Just create. Or, maybe it would be better to say: "You should keep some brown in it or won't be considered for default." :) -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
Hi, About orange. You should keep some brown in it or won't be included as default. Regards, Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
Anton Kerezov a écrit : > В 21:42 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), François Degrave написа: > >> Anton Kerezov a écrit : >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> As you may have read François and I are wondering what direction the >>> New Wave theme to go on: >>> >>> Either this way: >>> http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg >>> (the taskbar should be one idea lighter, I think) >>> >>> that is closer to: >>> http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-Dark-67903127 >>> >>> >>> >>> Or that way: >>> http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53445_NewWave_test_06.1_122_211lo.jpg >>> >>> This one allows you to see my Idea of having content drop shadow on the >>> menubar and it further drops shadow on the taskbar resulting in layered >>> view: >>> http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53446_NewWave_test_06.2_122_383lo.jpg >>> >>> >>> Anton >>> >> Please don't forget that if the engine enables separation between >> active/inactive window borders - as does Metacity -, the theme look >> something like that: >> >> http://img37.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89174_NewWave_Dark_n_Light_122_859lo.jpg >> >> That would make things far less aggressive! >> >> Cheers, >> >> François >> >> > > I think we should develop the widgets' themeing and then offer the theme > in these two variants. Thus everybody will enjoy the thing he likes > more. Besides we can always make the darker - lighter :) > > Everybody: you can still express opinion on the topic. The poll is not > over. > > > Anton Really good idea. If we can still easily have both, let's do it! It will be easier to judge with the final result. Cheers again, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
IMHO this way: http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg and http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-Dark-67903127 . It has a very professional look, while keeping the orange. Its more "solid" than option B. -- José Luis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
I think the theme is starting to look really good, but Firefox integration really needs some work: http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/e68b7655a7.png As it is now, the menu bar is damn ugly, and pretty much useless. I realise this isn't high priority, but it shouldn't be too hard to fix. -- Sincerely Yours Nicholas Ipsen -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
В 21:42 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), François Degrave написа: > Anton Kerezov a écrit : > > Hello everyone, > > > > As you may have read François and I are wondering what direction the > > New Wave theme to go on: > > > > Either this way: > > http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg > > (the taskbar should be one idea lighter, I think) > > > > that is closer to: > > http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-Dark-67903127 > > > > > > > > Or that way: > > http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53445_NewWave_test_06.1_122_211lo.jpg > > > > This one allows you to see my Idea of having content drop shadow on the > > menubar and it further drops shadow on the taskbar resulting in layered > > view: > > http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53446_NewWave_test_06.2_122_383lo.jpg > > > > > > Anton > > Please don't forget that if the engine enables separation between > active/inactive window borders - as does Metacity -, the theme look > something like that: > > http://img37.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89174_NewWave_Dark_n_Light_122_859lo.jpg > > That would make things far less aggressive! > > Cheers, > > François > I think we should develop the widgets' themeing and then offer the theme in these two variants. Thus everybody will enjoy the thing he likes more. Besides we can always make the darker - lighter :) Everybody: you can still express opinion on the topic. The poll is not over. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
Anton Kerezov a écrit : > Hello everyone, > > As you may have read François and I are wondering what direction the > New Wave theme to go on: > > Either this way: > http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg > (the taskbar should be one idea lighter, I think) > > that is closer to: > http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-Dark-67903127 > > > > Or that way: > http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53445_NewWave_test_06.1_122_211lo.jpg > > This one allows you to see my Idea of having content drop shadow on the > menubar and it further drops shadow on the taskbar resulting in layered > view: > http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53446_NewWave_test_06.2_122_383lo.jpg > > > Anton Please don't forget that if the engine enables separation between active/inactive window borders - as does Metacity -, the theme look something like that: http://img37.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89174_NewWave_Dark_n_Light_122_859lo.jpg That would make things far less aggressive! Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
I like the darker theme better, but it may look too hardcore and be tiring for casual users. Tough pick. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Anton Kerezov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > As you may have read François and I are wondering what direction the > New Wave theme to go on: > > Either this way: > > http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg > (the taskbar should be one idea lighter, I think) > > that is closer to: > http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-Dark-67903127 > > > > Or that way: > > http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53445_NewWave_test_06.1_122_211lo.jpg > > This one allows you to see my Idea of having content drop shadow on the > menubar and it further drops shadow on the taskbar resulting in layered > view: > > http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53446_NewWave_test_06.2_122_383lo.jpg > > > Anton > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- Sincerely Yours Nicholas Ipsen -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 19:53 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: > Back to speak of the NewWave Theme, > I tried to invert the gradient in the window decorator + menubar and remove > separator from ToolBar. > > http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1cc9.png > > http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2ww6.png > > What you think of it? > > Or it: > > http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1hg8.png > > http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2uw1.png > > gp > Sorry to disappoint you but I've been trough this type of gradients and it is very confusing to use. So I made use of compiz Trailfocus plugin. As for the line between toolbar and other content I tried that too and it just doesn't feels right without it. I think we will be able to implement better line (fading at its ends) when we start the work on the engine. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
Hello everyone, As you may have read François and I are wondering what direction the New Wave theme to go on: Either this way: http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg (the taskbar should be one idea lighter, I think) that is closer to: http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-Dark-67903127 Or that way: http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53445_NewWave_test_06.1_122_211lo.jpg This one allows you to see my Idea of having content drop shadow on the menubar and it further drops shadow on the taskbar resulting in layered view: http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53446_NewWave_test_06.2_122_383lo.jpg Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Back to speak of the NewWave Theme, I tried to invert the gradient in the window decorator + menubar and remove separator from ToolBar. http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1cc9.png http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2ww6.png What you think of it? Or it: http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1hg8.png http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2uw1.png gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
> Yes, ok, I will try to make a Metacity theme. :-) > Nice! Good idea. > Back to speak of the NewWave Theme, > I tried to invert the gradient in the window decorator + menubar and remove > separator from ToolBar. > > http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1cc9.png > > http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2ww6.png > > What you think of it? > That looks a bit strange, because it removes the feeling you can actually "touch" the windows, that it is made of something real. Here it just looks like squares coloured with gradient. Anton has a strong "3D image" in mind of what a window is -- or was if it existed in the real world --, and I have my own, but I really can't imagine how would those windows look like in the real world. However that's only my personal opinion! Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
>> Yes. My question was not this but if, or how to use Emerald. >> But my question was if the same theme can be applied without Emerald. >> I noted that the NewWave window decoration can be applied only with >> Emerald because is not present the same decoration for Metacity. >> Without the Emerald window decoration the theme is not exactly the same >> thing. >> A good idea can be to make a Metacity theme similar to Emerald. >> >> gp >> >> ps: sorry for my non good English. :-) >> >> > > Hi gp, > > Sorry for the explanation. Right now we are interested in new software > as metacity is slowly loosing ground (my opinion). Sure, I'm totally in accord with you. It's also my opinion. But I think that many people can't still use Compiz for the hardware compatibly problem that everyone know. >If you know how to > make a metacity theme - you are welcomed to do it and show it to us (the > mailing list). Yes, ok, I will try to make a Metacity theme. :-) Back to speak of the NewWave Theme, I tried to invert the gradient in the window decorator + menubar and remove separator from ToolBar. http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1cc9.png http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2ww6.png What you think of it? gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Windows decorator.
Hi! I've just found "Jasper", a new WD being developed by the compiz guys. Its here: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=6324 BTW: Great job with the windows decorator in the New Wave theme. But the widgets still need work. Now we have windows border+ archive, edit... bar in one colour: black. And the windows in default grey. We need some kind of transition between these or mtch the window top with the background of all apps. ! signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
>> Did you try with FreeSans in size 11 (btw, is it available in many >> alphabets?). And is it possible to remove the ugly shadow behind it? >> > > I've done it and it looks blurrier compared to other sans fonts. > > Ok, no problem. Liberation looks not bad. > > >> Ok, maybe it is possible to make the 4px bar the same color than the >> rest of the window -- this, we would have both the windows in one piece >> *and* the possibility to resize downwards. >> > > I don't understand what you mean. Isn't it like the link above? In it > you can see the Liberation fonts in use for titlebars. > > I mean: could it be possible to keep the bottom border 4px large, but make it "invisible" by giving it the same color than the rest just over it? > > About the understanding of my concept imagine that the menubar and > titlebar are background(bg) and the rest of the window is > foreground(fg). Thus the fg is dropping shadow on the bg and that is why > the gradient look like that. > > Here's the test you requested: > http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg That looks so nice to me - so does the title font! I love it. What a pity you don't like it as well... But maybe I'm wrong, I think we should definitely ask others what they think about it. Nice work anyway! Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 17:26 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: > Anto ha scritto: > > ?Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: > > > ?Very Nice. > > > I think that it's the right way to make the new theme for Intrepid. > > > > > > If I want to try the theme, where can I download it? > > > > > > But this theme is only for Compiz ? > > > > > > gp > > > > I attach the theme pack with all necessary files to make your PC look > > like the one at the screenshots. > > > Thanks!!! > I confirm that for me it's the best way to develop the future Ubuntu > theme. > > > Not only for compiz but uses it if you have it (compiz comes > > preinstalled on Ubuntu 7.04, 7.10 and 8.04 LTS). So don't worry about > > that. You will also need to use emerald. If it is not started you can > > run it by typing that in a terminal window or in the run dialog (Alt > > +F2, > > that is better): > > > Yes. My question was not this but if, or how to use Emerald. > But my question was if the same theme can be applied without Emerald. > I noted that the NewWave window decoration can be applied only with > Emerald because is not present the same decoration for Metacity. > Without the Emerald window decoration the theme is not exactly the same thing. > A good idea can be to make a Metacity theme similar to Emerald. > > gp > > ps: sorry for my non good English. :-) > > Hi gp, Sorry for the explanation. Right now we are interested in new software as metacity is slowly loosing ground (my opinion). If you know how to make a metacity theme - you are welcomed to do it and show it to us (the mailing list). Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
> >> 2) The font with a shadow in the bar looks very outdated. I suggest we
> >> use a font without a shadow. The one you see in this image ("Totem Video
> >> Player") is Free Sans, without any transformation.
> >>
> >
> > Well I havent yet thought of fonts. If you have any idea of what may be
> > good for title (and available in many languages) just give it to me and
> > I will put it there.
> >
> >
> Did you try with FreeSans in size 11 (btw, is it available in many
> alphabets?). And is it possible to remove the ugly shadow behind it?
I've done it and it looks blurrier compared to other sans fonts.
> >> 5) Could it be possible to make the down corners as round as the top
> >> ones? Also, could you let me see how it looks without the thin dark gray
> >> line of the bottom?
> >>
> >
> > The reason of this gray line is that at 1px the window cannot be resized
> > downwards. So I made the bottom border 4px as 3 of them gray to match
> > the titlebar. There is workaround to make them like the bg but the
> > borderline should become darker even on unfocused windows to hide a bug
> > in emerald. I like the old version because it is more stylish.
> >
> > But here we go:
> > http://img225.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65740_NoGreyline_122_529lo.jpg
> >
> Ok, maybe it is possible to make the 4px bar the same color than the
> rest of the window -- this, we would have both the windows in one piece
> *and* the possibility to resize downwards.
I don't understand what you mean. Isn't it like the link above? In it
you can see the Liberation fonts in use for titlebars.
> >> 6) Still the thing about not active windows... Too bad we cannot make
> >> the top bar/menu bar really flat, the whole window in the same piece.
> >> Inactive windows of the current default theme of Ubuntu look a bit like
> >> that.
> >>
> >
> > I know what you have in mind but it can't be done.
> >
> Too bad... Do you think it will be possible in the engine? I hope so,
> that's something that could look really nice -- independent drop shadow
> settings for active and inactive windows also, btw.
Don't know if the engine has access to such an information as
active/inactive windows. If it has it is possible. Anyone knows that?
> >> 7) Don't know if it is possible but it would be great if we could also
> >> apply a really light gradient on the entire light gray window, like in
> >> the initial mockup.
> >>
> >
> > It is probably possible but then my concept (as I showed in 1.)) will be
> > lost.
> >
> Ok... If that's really easy to do, could you please just try it? As you
> wish...
About the understanding of my concept imagine that the menubar and
titlebar are background(bg) and the rest of the window is
foreground(fg). Thus the fg is dropping shadow on the bg and that is why
the gradient look like that.
Here's the test you requested:
http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg
But this confg made me think that I can grab the window by the menubar
and move it. That certainly is not possible :D
Oh, btw - Nodoka screenshot:
http://i.n.com.com/i/ne/p/2007/Nodoka-look-feel-550x344.jpg
Anton
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anto ha scritto: > ?Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: > > ?Very Nice. > > I think that it's the right way to make the new theme for Intrepid. > > > > If I want to try the theme, where can I download it? > > > > But this theme is only for Compiz ? > > > > gp > > I attach the theme pack with all necessary files to make your PC look > like the one at the screenshots. > Thanks!!! I confirm that for me it's the best way to develop the future Ubuntu theme. > Not only for compiz but uses it if you have it (compiz comes > preinstalled on Ubuntu 7.04, 7.10 and 8.04 LTS). So don't worry about > that. You will also need to use emerald. If it is not started you can > run it by typing that in a terminal window or in the run dialog (Alt > +F2, > that is better): > Yes. My question was not this but if, or how to use Emerald. But my question was if the same theme can be applied without Emerald. I noted that the NewWave window decoration can be applied only with Emerald because is not present the same decoration for Metacity. Without the Emerald window decoration the theme is not exactly the same thing. A good idea can be to make a Metacity theme similar to Emerald. gp ps: sorry for my non good English. :-) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Hi, A quick note about engine limitation. Don't forget we'll have 2 years to get this theme perfect, for the next LTS. Until that, you can get compromise to get things for the other short term support releases. But don't hesitate to push ideas upstream in engine, even if that's not included yet for the next STS. :) I actually would like to see a theme growing during two years long in order to get a *very* professionnal theme for Ubuntu. If Ubuntu pushes things upword to extends engines capabilities, this just mean that Ubuntu is the leading distro, as it should be :) Regards, Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Gianmarco Leone a écrit : > Il giorno mer, 07/05/2008 alle 15.15 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi ha scritto: > >> Il giorno mer, 07/05/2008 alle 10.58 +0100, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: >> >>> Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 21:22:33 +0300 >>> From: Anton Kerezov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave >>> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork >>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> I finally figured out how to implement the unfocused windows. I >>> actually >>> did not implement anything it was all there in Compiz-Fusion, a >>> plug-in >>> called trailfocus. The results were quite good for me and I think that >>> we made another step up to out target image in the wiki. >>> >>> Preview: >>> http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97606_NewWave_test_05_122_454lo.jpg >>> >>> The plug-in though has to be polished a bit but I think right know is >>> pretty good. >>> >>> Any comments? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anton >>> >>> >> Very Nice. >> I think that it's the right way to make the new theme for Intrepid. >> >> If I want to try the theme, where can I download it? >> >> But this theme is only for Compiz ? >> >> gp >> > Very nice theme, but...who should I bride to have the min/max/close > buttons like in the new fedora 9 theme? (Nodoka). I find it more > serious/elegant > Do you have a link where we can see them? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton Kerezov a écrit :
> В 12:01 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), François Degrave написа:
>
>> I tried your theme today. It is great! However, I have some suggestions.
>> In
>> http://img154.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58872_NewWave_suggestions_122_1120lo.jpg
>> , I modified the main things I noticed; I don't know if it is technically
>> possible to implement!
>>
>> 1) The gradient of the windows bar looks quite strange, because it is
>> applied only in the inferior half of the bar (the menubar), not on the
>> total width. Would it be possible to make it like on the image?
>>
> Probably.
> I think you don't imagined what I have. Here is my concept for widows:
>
> http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65723_lAYERS_122_730lo.jpg
>
> 1. Wndows contents
> 2. Menu and titlebar behind
> 3. Background below all
>
> So if we make the entire area with gradient this feeling (for me) will
> disappear. :(
>
Ok, I did not see it this way, and I'm still not sure I can :-D
I see the window bar less flat, more rounded and over the rest of the
window -- that makes sense since menus pop up over everything. That's a
difference of view, I think we should ask others to be sure we make the
right choice...
>> 2) The font with a shadow in the bar looks very outdated. I suggest we
>> use a font without a shadow. The one you see in this image ("Totem Video
>> Player") is Free Sans, without any transformation.
>>
>
> Well I havent yet thought of fonts. If you have any idea of what may be
> good for title (and available in many languages) just give it to me and
> I will put it there.
>
>
Did you try with FreeSans in size 11 (btw, is it available in many
alphabets?). And is it possible to remove the ugly shadow behind it?
>> 4) The icons for closing, minimize, etc. are not bad, but I don't like
>> the one at the left (in Metacity, this one is the icon of the
>> application used. We should keep this).
>>
>
> You are right. I will make it.
>
>
>> The ones at the right are nice but we should -- maybe, not sure -- apply to
>> them a light gradient, to
>> make them really "part" of the bar. You can also try other icons (I put
>> an example of a simple cross).
>>
>
> Will think for that later. Lets make the engine and the other parts work
> together first.
>
Ok, go on.
>
>
>> 5) Could it be possible to make the down corners as round as the top
>> ones? Also, could you let me see how it looks without the thin dark gray
>> line of the bottom?
>>
>
> The reason of this gray line is that at 1px the window cannot be resized
> downwards. So I made the bottom border 4px as 3 of them gray to match
> the titlebar. There is workaround to make them like the bg but the
> borderline should become darker even on unfocused windows to hide a bug
> in emerald. I like the old version because it is more stylish.
>
> But here we go:
> http://img225.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65740_NoGreyline_122_529lo.jpg
>
Ok, maybe it is possible to make the 4px bar the same color than the
rest of the window -- this, we would have both the windows in one piece
*and* the possibility to resize downwards.
>
>> 6) Still the thing about not active windows... Too bad we cannot make
>> the top bar/menu bar really flat, the whole window in the same piece.
>> Inactive windows of the current default theme of Ubuntu look a bit like
>> that.
>>
>
> I know what you have in mind but it can't be done.
>
Too bad... Do you think it will be possible in the engine? I hope so,
that's something that could look really nice -- independent drop shadow
settings for active and inactive windows also, btw.
>
>
>> 7) Don't know if it is possible but it would be great if we could also
>> apply a really light gradient on the entire light gray window, like in
>> the initial mockup.
>>
>
> It is probably possible but then my concept (as I showed in 1.)) will be
> lost.
>
Ok... If that's really easy to do, could you please just try it? As you
wish...
>
>> 8) In the bar -- both windows bar and task bar (particularly the
>> taskbar, in fact) --, I'd like to see a light (not too light, though)
>> gray internal border. Here is what I mean:
>>
> http://img202.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=59378_NewWaveDetail_122_241lo.jpg
>
>> But that's really a detail, no? :-)
>>
>
> Taskbar:
> Right now this is not possible (widgets overlap the line) but we can
> possibly implement it in the engine.
> Titlebar:
> If we want that menu to be dark too there is no way of doing this now,
> thus the rest depends on the engine. In it these effects can be done (at
> least I think so).
I'll be patient! In any case, I think you're doing a great job. Carry
on, I'm sure you could reach a real killer-theme.
Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave and other things
Oliver Morgan a écrit : > Hi, > > I'm completely new to all of this - so please give me some leeway if I > say anything dumb! > > I like new wave - it certainly is beginning to look like a complete > system. I just wondered that is looked very OSXy with Vista-type > transparencies. I just mean to say it isn't very groundbreaking. Maybe > this isn't the right place to ask this but with the proliferation of > the glassy look and transparencies I just wondered if we should think > about it all from the ground up a bit. > > I mean I get that inactive windows gain some translucence but why? > Wouldn't it be better if we made alerts appear with a translucent > background - they are not working windows but notices - so making them > translucent makes them not interfere so much > > Also I wondered about title bars. There is more real-estate left-to- > right than top-and-bottom. What if windows stacked that way and title > bars were at the left (maybe the top panel and bottom panels left and > right too). This would also make stacked menus expand in one > direction (if you see what I mean). > > Are these sorts of changes possible - can I mock things like this up > or is it a waste of time? > > Thanks! > > Oliver Hi Oliver! I don't really see what you mean, maybe you can mock it up. But if you want the bar to be on the left, I see two problems: 1) If the names are written vertically it becomes really annoying to read and not user friendly at all; 2) If you want the menu titles to be written horizontally on the left, you lose a huge amount of place. But maybe I have a wrong image in mind... Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Il giorno mer, 07/05/2008 alle 15.15 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi ha scritto: > Il giorno mer, 07/05/2008 alle 10.58 +0100, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: > > Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 21:22:33 +0300 > > From: Anton Kerezov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave > > To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > Hi > > > > I finally figured out how to implement the unfocused windows. I > > actually > > did not implement anything it was all there in Compiz-Fusion, a > > plug-in > > called trailfocus. The results were quite good for me and I think that > > we made another step up to out target image in the wiki. > > > > Preview: > > http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97606_NewWave_test_05_122_454lo.jpg > > > > The plug-in though has to be polished a bit but I think right know is > > pretty good. > > > > Any comments? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Anton > > > Very Nice. > I think that it's the right way to make the new theme for Intrepid. > > If I want to try the theme, where can I download it? > > But this theme is only for Compiz ? > > gp Very nice theme, but...who should I bride to have the min/max/close buttons like in the new fedora 9 theme? (Nodoka). I find it more serious/elegant > gianmarco > > -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Scopri le tue passioni con Leonardo.it! * Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=7613&d=7-5 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] New Wave and other things
Hi, I'm completely new to all of this - so please give me some leeway if I say anything dumb! I like new wave - it certainly is beginning to look like a complete system. I just wondered that is looked very OSXy with Vista-type transparencies. I just mean to say it isn't very groundbreaking. Maybe this isn't the right place to ask this but with the proliferation of the glassy look and transparencies I just wondered if we should think about it all from the ground up a bit. I mean I get that inactive windows gain some translucence but why? Wouldn't it be better if we made alerts appear with a translucent background - they are not working windows but notices - so making them translucent makes them not interfere so much Also I wondered about title bars. There is more real-estate left-to- right than top-and-bottom. What if windows stacked that way and title bars were at the left (maybe the top panel and bottom panels left and right too). This would also make stacked menus expand in one direction (if you see what I mean). Are these sorts of changes possible - can I mock things like this up or is it a waste of time? Thanks! Oliver -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Il giorno mer, 07/05/2008 alle 10.58 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: > Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 21:22:33 +0300 > From: Anton Kerezov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave > To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi > > I finally figured out how to implement the unfocused windows. I > actually > did not implement anything it was all there in Compiz-Fusion, a > plug-in > called trailfocus. The results were quite good for me and I think that > we made another step up to out target image in the wiki. > > Preview: > http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97606_NewWave_test_05_122_454lo.jpg > > The plug-in though has to be polished a bit but I think right know is > pretty good. > > Any comments? > > Cheers, > > Anton > Very Nice. I think that it's the right way to make the new theme for Intrepid. If I want to try the theme, where can I download it? But this theme is only for Compiz ? gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton Kerezov a écrit : > В 12:01 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), François Degrave написа: > >> Anton Kerezov a écrit : >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I finally figured out how to implement the unfocused windows. I actually >>> did not implement anything it was all there in Compiz-Fusion, a plug-in >>> called trailfocus. The results were quite good for me and I think that >>> we made another step up to out target image in the wiki. >>> >>> Preview: >>> http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97606_NewWave_test_05_122_454lo.jpg >>> >>> The plug-in though has to be polished a bit but I think right know is >>> pretty good. >>> >>> Any comments? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anton >>> >> Hi Anton! >> >> >> I tried your theme today. It is great! However, I have some suggestions. >> In http://www/~fde/NewWave_suggestions.jpg , I modified the main things >> I noticed; I don't know if it is technically possible to implement! >> >> > > The url redirects to www.com . Is it correct or I'm doing smth wrong? > > When I see the images I could comment on the rest of the email. > > That's strange... Can you copy/paste the addresses in your browser? I know we have some problems with servers here today, so here are two news links: http://img154.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58872_NewWave_suggestions_122_1120lo.jpg http://img202.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=59378_NewWaveDetail_122_241lo.jpg Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 35, Issue 18
> > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 16:45:03 +0200 > From: Max <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [ubuntu-art] Caramel Gummy > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > > this theme was proposed for hardy: > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/SzerencsefiaGTKIdea > > it use the xl_cheeselook engine. > > i think it is really nice, and based with an already working engine > (that is also supposed to be fast). > > this is the original deviant art page. > > i'm new of the ubuntu art wiki and i don't know how to create new pages, > but i think it should be addedd a page for this theme in the intrepid > incoming artwork page > > Max I'm really not a fan of that theme at all, sorry but it just looks quite dark, boring and tacky in my opinion. Of course, that's just my 2 cents anyway. NewWave seems to be coming along nicely, but we mustn't forget the human colours. The human orange/brown is what defines us, and makes us original. If its one thing I want with 8.10 is to make sure we keep our heritage, our Orange and Browns. Regards, -Nicholas -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 12:01 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), François Degrave написа:
> Anton Kerezov a écrit :
> > Hi
> >
> > I finally figured out how to implement the unfocused windows. I actually
> > did not implement anything it was all there in Compiz-Fusion, a plug-in
> > called trailfocus. The results were quite good for me and I think that
> > we made another step up to out target image in the wiki.
> >
> > Preview:
> > http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97606_NewWave_test_05_122_454lo.jpg
> >
> > The plug-in though has to be polished a bit but I think right know is
> > pretty good.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Anton
> Hi Anton!
>
>
> I tried your theme today. It is great! However, I have some suggestions.
> In http://www/~fde/NewWave_suggestions.jpg , I modified the main things
> I noticed; I don't know if it is technically possible to implement!
>
The url redirects to www.com . Is it correct or I'm doing smth wrong?
When I see the images I could comment on the rest of the email.
> 1) The gradient of the windows bar looks quite strange, because it is
> applied only in the inferior half of the bar (the menubar), not on the
> total width. Would it be possible to make it like on the image?
>
> 2) The font with a shadow in the bar looks very outdated. I suggest we
> use a font without a shadow. The one you see in this image ("Totem Video
> Player") is Free Sans, without any transformation.
>
> 3) I'm not sure about the transparency on the bar of the active window.
> Maybe we should keep it solid.
>
> 4) The icons for closing, minimize, etc. are not bad, but I don't like
> the one at the left (in Metacity, this one is the icon of the
> application used. We should keep this). The ones at the right are nice
> but we should -- maybe, not sure -- apply to them a light gradient, to
> make them really "part" of the bar. You can also try other icons (I put
> an example of a simple cross).
>
> 5) Could it be possible to make the down corners as round as the top
> ones? Also, could you let me see how it looks without the thin dark gray
> line of the bottom?
>
> 6) Still the thing about not active windows... Too bad we cannot make
> the top bar/menu bar really flat, the whole window in the same piece.
> Inactive windows of the current default theme of Ubuntu look a bit like
> that.
>
> 7) Don't know if it is possible but it would be great if we could also
> apply a really light gradient on the entire light gray window, like in
> the initial mockup.
>
> 8) In the bar -- both windows bar and task bar (particularly the
> taskbar, in fact) --, I'd like to see a light (not too light, though)
> gray internal border. Here is what I mean:
> http://www/~fde/NewWaveDetail.png
> But that's really a detail, no? :-)
>
> Ok, that's all for the moment!
>
> I got an answer to my request in Compiz forum:
> http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?p=56943#post56943
>
> It seems they are working on a new window manager, but I fear it won't
> be ready soon...
>
> Cheers,
>
> François
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton Kerezov a écrit :
> Hi
>
> I finally figured out how to implement the unfocused windows. I actually
> did not implement anything it was all there in Compiz-Fusion, a plug-in
> called trailfocus. The results were quite good for me and I think that
> we made another step up to out target image in the wiki.
>
> Preview:
> http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97606_NewWave_test_05_122_454lo.jpg
>
> The plug-in though has to be polished a bit but I think right know is
> pretty good.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anton
Hi Anton!
I tried your theme today. It is great! However, I have some suggestions.
In http://www/~fde/NewWave_suggestions.jpg , I modified the main things
I noticed; I don't know if it is technically possible to implement!
1) The gradient of the windows bar looks quite strange, because it is
applied only in the inferior half of the bar (the menubar), not on the
total width. Would it be possible to make it like on the image?
2) The font with a shadow in the bar looks very outdated. I suggest we
use a font without a shadow. The one you see in this image ("Totem Video
Player") is Free Sans, without any transformation.
3) I'm not sure about the transparency on the bar of the active window.
Maybe we should keep it solid.
4) The icons for closing, minimize, etc. are not bad, but I don't like
the one at the left (in Metacity, this one is the icon of the
application used. We should keep this). The ones at the right are nice
but we should -- maybe, not sure -- apply to them a light gradient, to
make them really "part" of the bar. You can also try other icons (I put
an example of a simple cross).
5) Could it be possible to make the down corners as round as the top
ones? Also, could you let me see how it looks without the thin dark gray
line of the bottom?
6) Still the thing about not active windows... Too bad we cannot make
the top bar/menu bar really flat, the whole window in the same piece.
Inactive windows of the current default theme of Ubuntu look a bit like
that.
7) Don't know if it is possible but it would be great if we could also
apply a really light gradient on the entire light gray window, like in
the initial mockup.
8) In the bar -- both windows bar and task bar (particularly the
taskbar, in fact) --, I'd like to see a light (not too light, though)
gray internal border. Here is what I mean:
http://www/~fde/NewWaveDetail.png
But that's really a detail, no? :-)
Ok, that's all for the moment!
I got an answer to my request in Compiz forum:
http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?p=56943#post56943
It seems they are working on a new window manager, but I fear it won't
be ready soon...
Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 20:48 +0200 на 06.05.2008 (вт), Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen написа:
> 2008/5/6 Anton Kerezov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> В 13:36 +0200 на 06.05.2008 (вт), Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
> написа:
>
> > I really like your theme - especially the fact that it is
> not just a
> > mock up :-)
> >
> > Anyways, I've found a bug - if the menu bars are not exactly
> 24 px
> > high the dark bottom gradient does not align. Try setting
> your panel
> > height to 32 px... This applies both to applications and the
> Gnome
> > panel.
> >
> > Not sure if this is even fixable in the pixmap engine (which
> I suppose
> > you use). If we want to take this theme all the way it might
> also fare
> > better implemented natively in Clearlooks or Murrine
> engines. Should
> > not be rocket science to write that patch :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mikkel
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I know about this and think that the best solution is to
> implement it in
> the engine. I see you do understand the basics of the theme
> creation
> concept so I would ask you to help me and Francois with the
> engine. I
> have many questions and there seem to be no manual or tutorial
> that can
> help me.
>
>
>
> I simply do not have the time to do it myself. I can provide pointers
> for any one interested though:
>
> Start by checking out Murrine from Gnome svn:
>
> svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk murrine
>
> Use an svn checkout to make it easier to create diffs/patches ('svn
> diff > mypatch.patch'). To set up a development environment use:
>
>
> sudo apt-get install libcairo2-doc libgtk2.0-doc devhelp anjuta
> sudo apt-get build-dep gtk2-engines-murrine
>
> Now you should be able to build murrine from source - Run
>
> ./autogen.sh (only needed the first time)
> make
> (don't do 'make install')
>
> Now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikkelKamstrupErlandsen/ThemeEngineTricks
> will tell you how to create a symlink in your home dir to have the
> system pick the compiled engine up (you should not have murrine
> installed).
>
> Anjuta is a nice code editor and devhelp is a documentation viewer.
>
> Get hacking :-) Cheers,
> Mikkel
Thank you Mikkel. I think I'm going to use the clearlooks engine. Can
you tell me how to separate it from the gtk-engines package at
http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gtk-engines/
and how to make it new /.configure and proper make files. I haven't done
programming in Linux very much esp. with makefiles.
And here is the current progress with New Wave's gtkrc and
compiz-fusion :
http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53445_NewWave_test_06.1_122_211lo.jpg
http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53446_NewWave_test_06.2_122_383lo.jpg
Oh , see what I've found:
> Plans for Compiz in Ubuntu 8.10
Looks like Metacity is going to dead-end.
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