Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Cory K.]

Cory K. wrote:
> spg76 wrote:
>   
>> I updated the wiki with full version of the gray one.
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
>> 
>
> I'm gonna look over what you have, to make sure things are technically
> in place. Then I'll put these up in BZR. Either tonight or tomorrow.
>
> I won't consider these final. Just the best we have for now.
>
> Thanx for the work so far. :)

Ok. I have added the trash icons to
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons. All future
revisions (to these images. We might have a better trash idea later)
*must* be derived from these SVGs. I have changed some things to make
them in line technically with the rest of the icons.

spg76 - If you like, you can continue to show your revisions on the
submissions page like you have been. Just grab the new SVGs from the
/Icons page 1st.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe generic/blank + image emblems proposal

[Danny King]

Oh I forget to say that at smaller sizes the pixels would have much
less detail and the text would disappear (probably at 48x48).


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[ubuntu-art] Breathe generic/blank + image emblems proposal

[Danny King]

Hi all,

Here is a simplified empy page icon
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5465/paper2mq5.png

 and also a suggestion for the look & feel for emblems (filetypes)
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/534/imagesyw9.png

The colours of the 'pixels' on that second link could be changed. I
don't like the JPG one, but it's just to trigger conversation. The
idea was to symbolise the differences in the different image formats
(png has alpha transparency, GIF has a limited palette , JPG has a
larger palette with no transparency.)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Cory K.]

spg76 wrote:
> I updated the wiki with full version of the gray one.
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions

I'm gonna look over what you have, to make sure things are technically
in place. Then I'll put these up in BZR. Either tonight or tomorrow.

I won't consider these final. Just the best we have for now.

Thanx for the work so far. :)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[spg76]

2008/10/1 Danny King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I really like the new grey colour and the paper is really good. Can I
> ask how you made the paper?
>
> A few things that I'm not sure about:
>
> I think the white streaks are too vivid, perhaps try making them more
> subtle and seeing how that looks? (maybe it'll be worse, just
> speculating).
>
> The left and right edges are slightly jagged, maybe either add a very
> subtle blurred object behind them?
>
> The top 'lip' of the bin doesn't have a shadow and I think it would
> (although, also subtle)
>
> I think the inside of the empty  bin is very dark. If the light is
> coming from above it would probably look very similar to the outside?
>
> The paper looks a little too white to me.
>
> The recycle icon might look better if it appeared to be etched in to
> the plastic?
>
> The black base at the very bottom of the bin doesn't look like it's
> the same material as the rest of the bin - maybe it's too dark.
>
> I realize this sounds like a very negative response so let me say that
> I think your icons are wonderful as they are and I find them very
> inspirational, I'm just trying to make them perfect.  If anyone
> disagrees with any of my suggestions I welcome debate!
>
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I updated the wiki with full version of the gray one.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
Danny, for the paper, I edited an bitmap in Gimp and then converted to
vector in Inkscape.
Thank you for your suggestions, I used some of them for the new version.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Danny King]

I really like the new grey colour and the paper is really good. Can I
ask how you made the paper?

A few things that I'm not sure about:

I think the white streaks are too vivid, perhaps try making them more
subtle and seeing how that looks? (maybe it'll be worse, just
speculating).

The left and right edges are slightly jagged, maybe either add a very
subtle blurred object behind them?

The top 'lip' of the bin doesn't have a shadow and I think it would
(although, also subtle)

I think the inside of the empty  bin is very dark. If the light is
coming from above it would probably look very similar to the outside?

The paper looks a little too white to me.

The recycle icon might look better if it appeared to be etched in to
the plastic?

The black base at the very bottom of the bin doesn't look like it's
the same material as the rest of the bin - maybe it's too dark.

I realize this sounds like a very negative response so let me say that
I think your icons are wonderful as they are and I find them very
inspirational, I'm just trying to make them perfect.  If anyone
disagrees with any of my suggestions I welcome debate!


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Re: [ubuntu-art] shiny trashcan submission

[Danny King]

Ooh, nice work! I like both bins very much so I don't know which I
prefer. Before I add my critique let me say that I really like the
icon.

I think the shape is slightly wrong. To me it looks more like a
thimble than a bin and I think that's because the bottom is too
narrow. I'd be interested to see what it would look like if the base
was only slightly smaller than the top. I also think the inside slopes
at the wrong angle, it appears to be very thick metal - perhaps if the
inside sloped more vertically down it might appear thinner.

I think the left, dark streak should be made more transparent (or
lighter) but the light one to the right is beautiful.

The very important 48x48 icon looks great with your design so nice
work. Overall it's a very nice icon. :)


> To my eyes, all the grey bins have the problem of looking like a b/w
> photo. This could be solved by giving them just a little color-shift and
> variation. More saturation where the main light would hit the object,
> and maybe a subtle touch of blue where it would be mainly lit by ambient
> light.
>
> The number one problem with yours, is the perspective on the bottom part
> and a shadow that seems detached. To get the bottom ellipsis right, you
> might want to set a vanishing point to construct an in-perspective
> rectangle as guide down there.
> http://www.math.utah.edu/~treiberg/Perspect/Alberti.GIF
>
> For more on perspective and ellipses:
> http://www.khulsey.com/perspective_ellipse.html
>
>
> Though to be a real object, the bottom edge of the bin needs to be
> rounded. Not just for aesthetic reasons, but for production:
> - to make removing the object from the mold easier
> - to avoid a strong variation in thickness, as that can lead to cracks
> on cooling.
> - to avoid sharp edges, as any attempt at them will lead to unsightly
> results.
>
> It would have a recessed base to stand on.
>
>
> Thank you for your submission!
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[spg76]

2008/10/1 Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> spg76, how about we focus on the lighter gray one for now. Drop the
> "balled up paper" detail below 48px and make the ones from 48px on down
> feel correctly detailed for those sizes. Dropping whatever finer detail
> that isn't needed.
>
> Once that is done, anyone have an objection to this being uploaded to BZR?
>
> -Cory K.
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OK, I'll do that later and post here when the wiki it's updated.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Cory K.]

spg76, how about we focus on the lighter gray one for now. Drop the
"balled up paper" detail below 48px and make the ones from 48px on down
feel correctly detailed for those sizes. Dropping whatever finer detail
that isn't needed.

Once that is done, anyone have an objection to this being uploaded to BZR?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Let the disappointments begin?

[Smartboy]

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:18 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > On 30/09/2008, Eric Appleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> If we keep bitching and moaning, then we might as well deserve to be
> >> stuck with Human (Murrine) as our default.
> >>
> >>
> >> - Eric
> >>
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> >
> > There's a point where bitching and moaning becomes unproductive. But at
> > the
> > same time, realizing that Ubuntu has received a lot of hype regarding the
> > new theme for probably a year now, and you don't let something like that
> > get
> > so hyped up and then expect everyone not to notice when you don't fulfill
> > the expectation.
> >
> > Every single article, review and assessment of Ubuntu lately have
> promoted
> > the idea that we would be receiving a new theme soon, and that hype is
> > something that Ubuntu and Canonical have benefitted from. It's something
> > we've all benefitted from as Ubuntu users.
> >
> > And all this time, not one officially affiliated Ubuntu/Canonical
> > community
> > member has disputed the introduction of the new theme in Intrepid. Hype,
> > publicity and media is a dangerous thing and can backfire on you very
> > easily. I personally think it would be a very bad PR move by
> > Canonical/Ubuntu not to come through on the new theme, since it is
> > dangerous
> > to mismanage your users expectations so badly.
> >
> > You or I may be able to say, whatever, I'll install my own theme. But I'm
> > not sure that I can promote and advocate a product with which I
> personally
> > am unhappy how my own expectations have been managed.
> >
> > I personally am very much hoping though, that this is a ballsy PR move,
> > and
> > that they're going to wait till everyone's completely up in arms about
> it,
> > and then come through with a winning move. If that's the case, risky, but
> > respect since they're taking the game to another level :P
> >
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> Hello,
>
> first short introduction, because this is my first post in this conference.
> My name is Vit Svarc, I am 27 years old and I am from Czech Republic.I
> suppose as everybody here, I love Ubuntu.
>
> Now tho the topic - I can agree. I signed up into this conference, because
> I was curios, how the new theme will look like. I couldn't find any
> offical information about this.
> I am watching all discussions since two weeks, and I have to say that I am
> very confused, what is happening here.
> I thought that three weeks before final release, there has to be something
> done, and only small bugs will be fixed before final release.
> From that what I understood, the Dust theme will not be offical theme (?),
> and there is no discussion about any other themes.
> The offical page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid looks
> also very confusing to me, normal user can't understand, what will be in
> the official release, and what not.
> Then, the curious user downloads the alpha CD or live build to see, what
> is happening with the look, and there is no change.
> The same is for the icon theme, default fonts, color schemas, etc.
>
> So the present situation is very confusing, everyone expect the last
> offical information, which was - Ubuntu 8.04 will not come with the new
> look because LTS release, the new look will be moved into II 8.10.
> That is what I read in all articles about ubuntu releases.
> If it is not like this, someone should somewhere say/write, what is the
> present situation, why it is not like it was presented before, and when
> the new look really come.
> I thought, that Ubuntu Artwork team is the responsible team for doing this.
> Sorry if I am wrong.
> Best regards
>
> Vit Svarc
>
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We aren't the official art team, that is left to Canonical and their team of
professional artists. We work on community themes and wallpapers, and if
Mark likes one of our themes, he will use it. There still might be a new
theme which gets added before the beta is released, but I doubt that the
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 12:38 -0300, spg76 wrote:

> I just added one with a paper on the ground for review.

The ball is a nice touch and well done, but maybe a bit distracting. I
think it will not work at all for smaller sizes. Like 22 px as used on
the panel.


> Cory, in a previous message you say that smaller ones need to be drawn
> for their target size not just scaled down from the bigger ones.
> I don´t understand what you mean. I just scaled down the bigger ones
> like you say and then retouched the details. It's there any better
> way?

You should make sure that major lines/features are lined up with the
pixel grid on all sizes. You can hit # to toggle the grid in Inkscape.
If you zoom in, you should be able to see the default 1px spacing. Now
say you have a dark horizontal line in your icon. If it ends up on
non-integer coordinates and thus somewhere halfway between one row of
pixels and the next in the exported image, the line will appear blurry.
So you should try to move things to get them on the grid where ever
possible.

For small icons, it can be of advantage to completely redraw them, as
there will be less detail. It can also help to drop the perspective to
go entirely flat. At least for 16 px size, where you easily end up with
pixel-salad :)


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Re: [ubuntu-art] shiny trashcan submission

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 16:39 +0200, SG wrote:
> Added some shiny trashcan to submission, I don't know if it is ultra 
> realistic enough though.

It is not, yet. But a good start, making me optimistic that you could
get there.

To my eyes, all the grey bins have the problem of looking like a b/w
photo. This could be solved by giving them just a little color-shift and
variation. More saturation where the main light would hit the object,
and maybe a subtle touch of blue where it would be mainly lit by ambient
light.

The number one problem with yours, is the perspective on the bottom part
and a shadow that seems detached. To get the bottom ellipsis right, you
might want to set a vanishing point to construct an in-perspective
rectangle as guide down there.
http://www.math.utah.edu/~treiberg/Perspect/Alberti.GIF

For more on perspective and ellipses:
http://www.khulsey.com/perspective_ellipse.html


Though to be a real object, the bottom edge of the bin needs to be
rounded. Not just for aesthetic reasons, but for production:
- to make removing the object from the mold easier
- to avoid a strong variation in thickness, as that can lead to cracks
on cooling.
- to avoid sharp edges, as any attempt at them will lead to unsightly
results.

It would have a recessed base to stand on.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[spg76]

2008/10/1 Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Cory K. wrote:
> > spg76 wrote:
> >
> >> 2008/9/30 Isaiah Heyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >>
> >> I like the Human theme but the color isn't that great.
> >> Maybe its just me but I think they should just changed the default
> >> "selected items" color to #638F28.As far as I know no other os looks
> >> like that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you all for your comments.
> >> I updated the wiki with a new icon for user-trash-full.
> >> A little note, for some reason the preview images doesn't show the
> >> right shadow at the bottom (looks very bad) and I don't know why.
> >> Maybe I'm doing something wrong with Inkscape, although the SVG files
> >> looks fine.
> >> Also, I add a gray (almost black) version just for show.
> >>
> >
> > I'm leaning toward the gray one atm. Should we lighten it up a little? I
> > think the recycle arrows should be more noticeable. Also the smaller
> > ones need to be drawn for their target size not just scaled down from
> > the bigger ones.
> >
> > How about we axe the color ones and see a gray one with the trash full?
> >
> > As far as your shadow goes it just looks like it does outside of the
> > canvas. Easily fixed.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
>
> Ok. A lighter gray one was added with trash inside. Would a
> crumpled/balled-up piece on the ground be cool?
>

> Opinions on the lighter gray one?
>
> -Cory K.
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I just added one with a paper on the ground for review.
Cory, in a previous message you say that smaller ones need to be drawn for
their target size not just scaled down from the bigger ones.
I don´t understand what you mean. I just scaled down the bigger ones like
you say and then retouched the details. It's there any better way?
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Cory K.]

Cory K. wrote:
> spg76 wrote:
>   
>> 2008/9/30 Isaiah Heyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>>
>> I like the Human theme but the color isn't that great.
>> Maybe its just me but I think they should just changed the default
>> "selected items" color to #638F28.As far as I know no other os looks
>> like that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your comments.
>> I updated the wiki with a new icon for user-trash-full.
>> A little note, for some reason the preview images doesn't show the
>> right shadow at the bottom (looks very bad) and I don't know why.
>> Maybe I'm doing something wrong with Inkscape, although the SVG files
>> looks fine.
>> Also, I add a gray (almost black) version just for show.
>> 
>
> I'm leaning toward the gray one atm. Should we lighten it up a little? I
> think the recycle arrows should be more noticeable. Also the smaller
> ones need to be drawn for their target size not just scaled down from
> the bigger ones.
>
> How about we axe the color ones and see a gray one with the trash full?
>
> As far as your shadow goes it just looks like it does outside of the
> canvas. Easily fixed.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions

Ok. A lighter gray one was added with trash inside. Would a
crumpled/balled-up piece on the ground be cool?

Opinions on the lighter gray one?

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[ubuntu-art] shiny trashcan submission

[SG]

Added some shiny trashcan to submission, I don't know if it is ultra 
realistic enough though.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Danny King]

> Thank you all for your comments.
> I updated the wiki with a new icon for user-trash-full.
> A little note, for some reason the preview images doesn't show the right
> shadow at the bottom (looks very bad) and I don't know why. Maybe I'm doing
> something wrong with Inkscape, although the SVG files looks fine.
> Also, I add a gray (almost black) version just for show.

Nice work, I really like your full trash icon. You have to be careful
with heavily blurred objects in Inkscape because the blurring actually
won't be exported unless the entire lot is within the exportable
region, and sometimes it's hard to tell if it is (the blur is larger
than the shape that you apply it to).

 I suggest making the shadow smaller and more subtle. Use a little as
you can get away with and build up from there (I think it would look
more realistic?)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Let the disappointments begin?

[vs]

> On 30/09/2008, Eric Appleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> If we keep bitching and moaning, then we might as well deserve to be
>> stuck with Human (Murrine) as our default.
>>
>>
>> - Eric
>>
>>
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>
> There's a point where bitching and moaning becomes unproductive. But at
> the
> same time, realizing that Ubuntu has received a lot of hype regarding the
> new theme for probably a year now, and you don't let something like that
> get
> so hyped up and then expect everyone not to notice when you don't fulfill
> the expectation.
>
> Every single article, review and assessment of Ubuntu lately have promoted
> the idea that we would be receiving a new theme soon, and that hype is
> something that Ubuntu and Canonical have benefitted from. It's something
> we've all benefitted from as Ubuntu users.
>
> And all this time, not one officially affiliated Ubuntu/Canonical
> community
> member has disputed the introduction of the new theme in Intrepid. Hype,
> publicity and media is a dangerous thing and can backfire on you very
> easily. I personally think it would be a very bad PR move by
> Canonical/Ubuntu not to come through on the new theme, since it is
> dangerous
> to mismanage your users expectations so badly.
>
> You or I may be able to say, whatever, I'll install my own theme. But I'm
> not sure that I can promote and advocate a product with which I personally
> am unhappy how my own expectations have been managed.
>
> I personally am very much hoping though, that this is a ballsy PR move,
> and
> that they're going to wait till everyone's completely up in arms about it,
> and then come through with a winning move. If that's the case, risky, but
> respect since they're taking the game to another level :P
>
> Alex
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Hello,

first short introduction, because this is my first post in this conference.
My name is Vit Svarc, I am 27 years old and I am from Czech Republic.I
suppose as everybody here, I love Ubuntu.

Now tho the topic - I can agree. I signed up into this conference, because
I was curios, how the new theme will look like. I couldn't find any
offical information about this.
I am watching all discussions since two weeks, and I have to say that I am
very confused, what is happening here.
I thought that three weeks before final release, there has to be something
done, and only small bugs will be fixed before final release.
>From that what I understood, the Dust theme will not be offical theme (?),
and there is no discussion about any other themes.
The offical page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid looks
also very confusing to me, normal user can't understand, what will be in
the official release, and what not.
Then, the curious user downloads the alpha CD or live build to see, what
is happening with the look, and there is no change.
The same is for the icon theme, default fonts, color schemas, etc.

So the present situation is very confusing, everyone expect the last
offical information, which was - Ubuntu 8.04 will not come with the new
look because LTS release, the new look will be moved into II 8.10.
That is what I read in all articles about ubuntu releases.
If it is not like this, someone should somewhere say/write, what is the
present situation, why it is not like it was presented before, and when
the new look really come.
I thought, that Ubuntu Artwork team is the responsible team for doing this.
Sorry if I am wrong.
Best regards

Vit Svarc



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Re: [ubuntu-art] Let the disappointments begin?

[Adam]

On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 13:46 +0100, Odysseus Flappington wrote:
> 
> On 30/09/2008, Eric Appleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If we keep bitching and moaning, then we might as well deserve
> to be
> stuck with Human (Murrine) as our default.
> 
> 
> - Eric
> 
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> There's a point where bitching and moaning becomes unproductive. But
> at the same time, realizing that Ubuntu has received a lot of hype
> regarding the new theme for probably a year now, and you don't let
> something like that get so hyped up and then expect everyone not to
> notice when you don't fulfill the expectation.
> 
> Every single article, review and assessment of Ubuntu lately have
> promoted the idea that we would be receiving a new theme soon, and
> that hype is something that Ubuntu and Canonical have benefitted from.
> It's something we've all benefitted from as Ubuntu users.
> 
> And all this time, not one officially affiliated Ubuntu/Canonical
> community member has disputed the introduction of the new theme in
> Intrepid. Hype, publicity and media is a dangerous thing and can
> backfire on you very easily. I personally think it would be a very bad
> PR move by Canonical/Ubuntu not to come through on the new theme,
> since it is dangerous to mismanage your users expectations so badly. 
> 
> You or I may be able to say, whatever, I'll install my own theme. But
> I'm not sure that I can promote and advocate a product with which I
> personally am unhappy how my own expectations have been managed.
> 
> I personally am very much hoping though, that this is a ballsy PR
> move, and that they're going to wait till everyone's completely up in
> arms about it, and then come through with a winning move. If that's
> the case, risky, but respect since they're taking the game to another
> level :P
> 
> Alex

I totaly agree, it was a very bad move to disappoint the users, while
Ubuntu really needs an interface lift if wants to stay in competition
with OSX and Vista.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Let the disappointments begin?

[Odysseus Flappington]

On 30/09/2008, Eric Appleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If we keep bitching and moaning, then we might as well deserve to be
> stuck with Human (Murrine) as our default.
>
>
> - Eric
>
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There's a point where bitching and moaning becomes unproductive. But at the
same time, realizing that Ubuntu has received a lot of hype regarding the
new theme for probably a year now, and you don't let something like that get
so hyped up and then expect everyone not to notice when you don't fulfill
the expectation.

Every single article, review and assessment of Ubuntu lately have promoted
the idea that we would be receiving a new theme soon, and that hype is
something that Ubuntu and Canonical have benefitted from. It's something
we've all benefitted from as Ubuntu users.

And all this time, not one officially affiliated Ubuntu/Canonical community
member has disputed the introduction of the new theme in Intrepid. Hype,
publicity and media is a dangerous thing and can backfire on you very
easily. I personally think it would be a very bad PR move by
Canonical/Ubuntu not to come through on the new theme, since it is dangerous
to mismanage your users expectations so badly.

You or I may be able to say, whatever, I'll install my own theme. But I'm
not sure that I can promote and advocate a product with which I personally
am unhappy how my own expectations have been managed.

I personally am very much hoping though, that this is a ballsy PR move, and
that they're going to wait till everyone's completely up in arms about it,
and then come through with a winning move. If that's the case, risky, but
respect since they're taking the game to another level :P

Alex
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Cory K.]

spg76 wrote:
> 2008/9/30 Isaiah Heyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
> I like the Human theme but the color isn't that great.
> Maybe its just me but I think they should just changed the default
> "selected items" color to #638F28.As far as I know no other os looks
> like that.
>
>
>
> Thank you all for your comments.
> I updated the wiki with a new icon for user-trash-full.
> A little note, for some reason the preview images doesn't show the
> right shadow at the bottom (looks very bad) and I don't know why.
> Maybe I'm doing something wrong with Inkscape, although the SVG files
> looks fine.
> Also, I add a gray (almost black) version just for show.

I'm leaning toward the gray one atm. Should we lighten it up a little? I
think the recycle arrows should be more noticeable. Also the smaller
ones need to be drawn for their target size not just scaled down from
the bigger ones.

How about we axe the color ones and see a gray one with the trash full?

As far as your shadow goes it just looks like it does outside of the
canvas. Easily fixed.

-Cory K.

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