Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager icons

[mac_v]

Cory K. wrote:
> 
>> Also i'd say doing these icons doing in 128px is sufficient and adding
>> them to to scalable folder is the best , i'v tried making them in
>> different sizes but its never as good. the icons scale well so i'd
>> prefer not to do smaller sizes
> 
> We have to see where they are used. And I prefer to create all the sizes
> because of the future can be tricky. Larger sizes could be needed.
> 
>
@Cory

I do not understand your rationale for wanting them in all sizes...?

To remind you once again, this is a replacement for the hi-color icons,
gnome/human dont provide these, no other default Ubuntu icon set has a
replacement for these Hi-color icons

And *the nm hi-color icons are only present in 1 size* ,in the 22px ,
they have excluded it from all the other sizes.

So why do you want these in all the sizes? Isnt a scalable 128px icon
better than a fixed 22px?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[mac_v]

Kenneth Wimer wrote:
> On Sunday 31 May 2009 19:52:50 Cory K. wrote:
>> Along with the aesthetic aspect of this, someone needs to see where the
>> panel and OSD icons cross each other. If at all.
>>
>> If it's not done before I get to it, I'll go after it this week.
> 
> 
> For Ubuntu and the theme it sets as default, the notification icons
> should be differently styled versions of the same metaphors used in the
> panel. Other themes are free to do as they please but in order to
> integrate well with the overall Ubuntu desktop a theme should think
> twice about doing anything radically different. Naturally Ubuntu is
> always trying to improve so if something comes along which is different
> but better than what we currently use we would certainly entertain the idea.
> 
> 
> The notification icons shown in notify-osd on a default ubuntu install
> were designed by Canonical to integrate with the style of the notify-osd
> bubble on which it is displayed and have a very distinct design. Because
> the icons in notify-osd are designed specifically for the bubbles the
> only parts which should be re-used elsewhere is the form. IE we are not
> suggesting that anyone make a entire theme of icons based on the
> notify-osd design :) The panel placement and size require a different
> design than large semi-transparent icons on semi-transparent background
> with gaussian blurred shadows ;)
> 
> 
> --
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> 
Hi, just put together a icon set in greyscale, its still rough work ...

i'v attached the rendered icon on a light and dark background.
what do u think of the design concept?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[mac_v]

Kenneth Wimer wrote:
> On Sunday 31 May 2009 19:52:50 Cory K. wrote:
>> Along with the aesthetic aspect of this, someone needs to see where the
>> panel and OSD icons cross each other. If at all.
>>
>> If it's not done before I get to it, I'll go after it this week.
> 
> 
> For Ubuntu and the theme it sets as default, the notification icons
> should be differently styled versions of the same metaphors used in the
> panel. Other themes are free to do as they please but in order to
> integrate well with the overall Ubuntu desktop a theme should think
> twice about doing anything radically different. Naturally Ubuntu is
> always trying to improve so if something comes along which is different
> but better than what we currently use we would certainly entertain the idea.
> 
> 
> The notification icons shown in notify-osd on a default ubuntu install
> were designed by Canonical to integrate with the style of the notify-osd
> bubble on which it is displayed and have a very distinct design. Because
> the icons in notify-osd are designed specifically for the bubbles the
> only parts which should be re-used elsewhere is the form. IE we are not
> suggesting that anyone make a entire theme of icons based on the
> notify-osd design :) The panel placement and size require a different
> design than large semi-transparent icons on semi-transparent background
> with gaussian blurred shadows ;)
> 
> 
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> 
hi,
taking note of the future of the ubuntu-desktop and the discussion we
had on the irc , i understand the points u have made...

just for everyone else here, a recap:
Kwwii has said that the ubuntu team was looking to *not* use any colors
for icons in the panel.

but the problem with this usage, with the greyscale version of hi-color
bar type icons, is that if the colors are not used then the wireless
icons would look almost exactly similar to the wireless icon used in
Windows7.

I'm hoping to prevent this similarity and try to create a greyscale
version with curves similar to the one i'v already created. not the same
 , it will need more modification if it has to be displayed properly in
all panels as greyscale. and if i succeed in making one then we could
create similar look for the breathe notify-osd icons.

But since this discussion is more towards the icons in the breathe icon
set , *Cory* what do u think? greyscale or use these present color icons
for breathe?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Sunday 31 May 2009 19:52:50 Cory K. wrote:
> Along with the aesthetic aspect of this, someone needs to see where the
> panel and OSD icons cross each other. If at all.
>
> If it's not done before I get to it, I'll go after it this week.

For Ubuntu and the theme it sets as default, the notification icons should be 
differently styled versions of the same metaphors used in the panel. Other 
themes are free to do as they please but in order to integrate well with the 
overall Ubuntu desktop a theme should think twice about doing anything 
radically different. Naturally Ubuntu is always trying to improve so if 
something comes along which is different but better than what we currently use 
we would certainly entertain the idea.

The notification icons shown in notify-osd on a default ubuntu install were 
designed by Canonical to integrate with the style of the notify-osd bubble on 
which it is displayed and have a very distinct design. Because the icons in 
notify-osd are designed specifically for the bubbles the only parts which 
should be re-used elsewhere is the form. IE we are not suggesting that anyone 
make a entire theme of icons based on the notify-osd design :) The panel 
placement and size require a different design than large semi-transparent icons 
on semi-transparent background with gaussian blurred shadows ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[mac_v]

Kenneth Wimer wrote:
> 
> 
> I think that realisitically, you need to show the 16x16 and 22x22
> versions on a light grey and a dark background to show how they will
> look on a panel.
> 
> 
> --
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> 

hi,
i'v added the screenshots of the icons in action on white and dark panel
in the previous mail...[didnt want to reattach and create duplicates]
... the panel is a 19px vertical panel

are those enough or do u want a rendered version for all the icons in
the light and dark backgrounds ?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Sunday 31 May 2009 19:52:50 Cory K. wrote:
> Along with the aesthetic aspect of this, someone needs to see where the
> panel and OSD icons cross each other. If at all.

Anything that shows up in a notification is an OSD icon. Note that Canonical 
has defined the style for the OSD icons quite specificialy. This style is only 
to be used for the official canonical notify-osd look. You are free to include 
any other style in your own and other themes.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Sunday 31 May 2009 16:23:58 mac_v wrote:
> daniel planas armangue wrote:
> > much better ;)
> >
> > DanielP
>
> thankx for the feedback,
>
>  Cory felt the same way too , but he said that he wants *kwwii* (since
> he's done like icon) or *Sebastien* to chime in on the mailing list. so
> that they could approve/modify/improve the icons before thinking about
> using them in breathe...

I think that realisitically, you need to show the 16x16 and 22x22 versions on 
a light grey and a dark background to show how they will look on a panel.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[mac_v]

@Oliver...
Actually the paleness is lost when the present icon scales down to 24px... 
but i tried ur idea.
and i'v attached the screenshots of the icon in action on a 19px panel... oh 
and the panel is vertical on the right just to get u oriented.

i think that the presence of the gradients adds the minor feel of lighting, 
also if the colors get a bit more darker then the visibility of the icon in 
dark/transparent panels becomes tough. especially in the transparent panels , 
where the backgrounds vary . 

cheers,
mac_v

attachments legend:
gradient-is the present icon
darker-is with a bit darker shade and no gradients
panel-is the present icon on a transparent panel.






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And Mac ... much better! Maybe 22 and 16 without pale. ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[mac_v]

spg76 wrote:
> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:47 PM, mac_v  > wrote:
> 
> hi,
> actually i use a *different modified version* of these icons for
> notify-osd... i'v added them to this mail... my preference would be to
> use these color icons for notify-osd too ... thats just me...
> 
>  but since the notify-osd uses greyscale, i'v done a quick edit and
> added the the greyscale version of my notify-osd icons of just a 3
> greyscale icons... the rest need a bit more work...
> 
> this way the continuity can be maintained, but i would prefer using the
> color ones ;)
> 
> just test them out with $ notify-send
> 
> also, do test the nm-signal icons, i'v done it in 128x128 since i
> thought i could use it for the notify-osd too , i'v added the 24x24 png
> in the previous mail for quick reference. i feel that they do scale well
> with the 128x128 too. i think u will have a better idea of the look once
> u test it...
> 
> 
> I saw now the 24px and they look pretty good.
> 
> When I mentioned the NotifyOSD icons I was referring to the shape of the
> icons and not the style. If we go with this icon, we should also make
> the notifications icons or use this one for the bubbles.
> If we gonna stick with the Human NotifyOSD set, we should make this
> icons taking notice of those.
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> 

i would prefer changing the shape to these curved ones... :)

since the notify-osd icons for wireless and gsm are exactly the same,
the other gsm edge, gsm 3G ,gsm H   are just minor variations... so
changing the wireless icon shape would make more sense...

also , i'v spent some time on these icons and i would hate to see them
be replaced or redo with a new shape.  :P

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[mac_v]

Cory K. wrote:
> Along with the aesthetic aspect of this, someone needs to see where the
> panel and OSD icons cross each other. If at all.
> 
> If it's not done before I get to it, I'll go after it this week.
> 
> 
> -Cory K.
> 
hi,
check out the set of color and greyscale notify-osd icons , i have
attached to the previous mail.

cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[spg76]

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:47 PM, mac_v  wrote:

> hi,
> actually i use a *different modified version* of these icons for
> notify-osd... i'v added them to this mail... my preference would be to
> use these color icons for notify-osd too ... thats just me...
>
>  but since the notify-osd uses greyscale, i'v done a quick edit and
> added the the greyscale version of my notify-osd icons of just a 3
> greyscale icons... the rest need a bit more work...
>
> this way the continuity can be maintained, but i would prefer using the
> color ones ;)
>
> just test them out with $ notify-send
>
> also, do test the nm-signal icons, i'v done it in 128x128 since i
> thought i could use it for the notify-osd too , i'v added the 24x24 png
> in the previous mail for quick reference. i feel that they do scale well
> with the 128x128 too. i think u will have a better idea of the look once
> u test it...


I saw now the 24px and they look pretty good.

When I mentioned the NotifyOSD icons I was referring to the shape of the
icons and not the style. If we go with this icon, we should also make the
notifications icons or use this one for the bubbles.
If we gonna stick with the Human NotifyOSD set, we should make this icons
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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[Cory K.]

Along with the aesthetic aspect of this, someone needs to see where the
panel and OSD icons cross each other. If at all.

If it's not done before I get to it, I'll go after it this week.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[Andrew]

Maybe if you de-saturated the colours a bit (they look a bit too cartoony) and 
maybe look at this
oxygen icon attached for reference (if you haven't already)


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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[Andrew]

I think that the smaller sizes need to look the pole and have a dark outline on 
the 'bars'

I do feel as though they look too much tango icons though



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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[Oliver Scholtz 1]

Am Sonntag, den 31.05.2009, 17:53 +0200 schrieb Steve Dodier:
> Hello,
> 
> I think the notify-osd icons have a completely different style, which
> is looking great within the notification bubbles, but i doubt it'd
> look great to have the notify-osd wifi icons in the panel. I think the
> drawing of the notification- wifi icons should be done afterwards, and
> if they should be based on those of the icon set, they could be made
> smoother, and possibly desaturated for some of them, to avoid drawing
> too much attention from the user when popping up.
> 
> Cordially, SD.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[Steve Dodier]

Hello,

I think the notify-osd icons have a completely different style, which is
looking great within the notification bubbles, but i doubt it'd look great
to have the notify-osd wifi icons in the panel. I think the drawing of the
notification- wifi icons should be done afterwards, and if they should be
based on those of the icon set, they could be made smoother, and possibly
desaturated for some of them, to avoid drawing too much attention from the
user when popping up.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[spg76]

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:23 AM, mac_v  wrote:

> Cory felt the same way too , but he said that he wants *kwwii* (since
> he's done like icon) or *Sebastien* to chime in on the mailing list. so
> that they could approve/modify/improve the icons before thinking about
> using them in breathe...
>
> once the basic design has been looked into , i'll start to complete the
> whole set for the animation... :)


 I like it but I have a couple of concerns.
You made the large size and I don't know how this looks on the smaller
sizes. Take notice that the 24px version of this icon it's used on the
panel.
Secondly, I wonder if we should take the icon set from NotifyOSD as a base
for this icons since the set will inherits from Human and I think that it's
important that we maintain certain consistency (if you are in Jaunty you can
see this icons at "/usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/status").
If not, we should make a "NotifyOSD set" for Breathe as well.
I think that before you go any further with this, we should decide this for
the icons that are present in the NotifyOSD set.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[mac_v]

daniel planas armangue wrote:
> much better ;)
> 
> DanielP
> 
> 
thankx for the feedback,

 Cory felt the same way too , but he said that he wants *kwwii* (since
he's done like icon) or *Sebastien* to chime in on the mailing list. so
that they could approve/modify/improve the icons before thinking about
using them in breathe...

once the basic design has been looked into , i'll start to complete the
whole set for the animation... :)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[daniel planas armangue]

much better ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[mac_v]

daniel planas armangue wrote:
> uff, I do not like much. 
>  
> 1 - are highly disproportionate
> 2 - a little tangoish
> 3 - the use of the antenna does not fit sebastian
> 4 - the colors are not very clean
> 
> 
> however it is noted that time devoted to it, therefore I am going to
> make a constructive criticism, inspired on this icon:
> 
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2412348459_218e4d1b2a.jpg?v=1208161662
> 
> I think most of the time will be seen in small-scale, therefore you need
> think more on a glyph.
> 
> Daniel .P
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
hi, i'm not sure if u are talking about the straight bars or the curved
ones?

the first[straight bar] icons were just mockup , since i was not sure if
the team was interested in a nm icon ... and i was new to inkscape hence
i didnt know if the learning curve would be worth the while[since i had
a working set of pngs for personal use and the whole set needed 38
icons...!] the mockup should probably even be considered just a doodle!

i used the antennae purposefully ,just to maintain an aspect from the
wireless-network icon. but on usage scaling down the presence/absence of
the antennae doesnt matter. it can be removed...

the image u have linked looks similar to the gnome colors icon,also
similar to what i aim to achieve... if u check my first post
,https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-May/010477.html,
 i have included a set of my working pngs which have a new reconnect
animation behavior, the change in animation behavior is my main reason
for suggestion of the nm icons, since the old hi-color icons dont look
that great...

even the second set i have uploaded are just a work in progress,

Anyway Cory has suggested that he could help or get someone to make the
icons fit better with the breathe set...

i'm not sure if ur comments are regarding the first doodle set i had
submitted in the first post or the second set i had uploaded to the wiki
earlier today?just to be clear which set of icons were your comments about?

any ideas/suggestion would be appreciated... or if someone can do it
better too, welcome , i just feel nm needs a new look. :)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[daniel planas armangue]

uff, I do not like much. 
 
1 - are highly disproportionate
2 - a little tangoish
3 - the use of the antenna does not fit sebastian
4 - the colors are not very clean


however it is noted that time devoted to it, therefore I am going to
make a constructive criticism, inspired on this icon:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2412348459_218e4d1b2a.jpg?v=1208161662

I think most of the time will be seen in small-scale, therefore you need
think more on a glyph.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[James Schriver]

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 02:42 +0530, mac_v wrote:
> Hi,
> At present the network manager uses the old hi-color icons for network
> status and for connecting status , its time new icons are created...
> 
> Since the breathe team is still in progress, I thought I could add my
> idea for these icons...And I have added a set of icons to the
> submissions wiki page.
> I'v submitted a set of icons using straight bars , but curved bars can
> also be an alternative.
> I have been using a set of  .pngs for personal use with a modified
> behavior for the connecting status. In total the network manager uses 38
> icons , so I thought I better get a  go-ahead before creating  a whole
> set of .svgs !
> 
> I have attached, to this mail ,a set of the icons which I have submitted
> in the wiki , also attached is the connection status pngs i have been
> using , so that the proposed new behavior could be better understood.
> 
> To test the new behavior/icons just extract the icons and add the icons
> to the "/scalable/apps" folder of the icon set you are using and
> re-select the icon theme.
> 
> The colors are just not perfected yet.Any suggestions/ideas are welcome.
> Hoping to work on this icon set.
> 
> Cheers,
> mac_v
> 
> PS:
> 1>The colors in the pngs are better suited for my desktop , but
> submitting them here just for the proposed behavior .
> 2>The behavior could also be made similar to the radar scanner view.
> 3>@Cory, I tried using caps where needed ;)

These icons are absolutely awesome.  The reconnection animation is by
far better than nm-applet's default circular animation.  My only
recommendation as far the colors go is maybe try an orange color like
used in go-home or the lighter teal/blue color of the system-logout
icons.  The lighter green is a bit bold especially on darker themes.

Again great work and I've been testing these icons since you uploaded.

Regards,

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[mac_v]

> Please render the SVGs to PNG and put /those/ in the {{}} on the wiki
> before the [[|SVG]] link. The wiki cannot at present display SVGs
> directly.


> -Cory K.

I was wondering why the images were not being displayed !
Necessary changes have been made in the wiki page... Thanks...

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Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] Network Manager-icons

[Cory K.]

mac_v wrote:
> 
>   

Please render the SVGs to PNG and put /those/ in the {{}} on the wiki
before the [[|SVG]] link. The wiki cannot at present display SVGs directly.


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