[Bug 260380] Re: Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart
This bug was fixed in the package language-selector - 0.4.0 --- language-selector (0.4.0) jaunty; urgency=low * gnome-language-selector: GUI overhaul (for details see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyLanguageSelectorImprovements ) * allow for different language settings per user * for installed languages use the native language and country names in the comboboxes (LP: #241317) * get rid of the reboot / session restart notification popup. This information is now integrated into the main UI. (LP: #260380) -- Arne Goetje a...@ubuntu.com Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:40:14 +0800 ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Fix Released -- Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/260380 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 260380] Re: Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart
It should be also noted that when user clicks Restart later, she shouldn't have been bothered about this anymore. The tray icon should be definitely gone. -- Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/260380 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 260380] Re: Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart
New language settings take effect once you have logged out. looks good to me. I'd still prefer small print in the window instead of in an update- notifier alert (it should be a general goal to use fewer alerts over time), but it's up to you to decide whether you have time for that. Since it applies to complex character support too, this small print would be unindented immediately above the Cancel and OK buttons, rather than indented under just the Default language menu. It would be easy to see because it should start with a miniature info (i) icon. -- Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/260380 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 260380] Re: Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart
Specific suggestions: * In order to can almost always be shortened to to. * Activate the changes could be more specific: use the new default language. * Restart your session could be confused with restarting the computer, so it's probably better to refer just to logging out instead. But I assume the new language will apply even if someone *else* ends up logging in, so it's logging out that's the relevant action. * Login and logout are nouns; the verbs are log in and log out. Re- doesn't work for compound words, therefore you would use log in again instead. * At your earliest convenience is unnecessary: all that you need to communicate is when the language change will take effect. Whether it's urgent enough for the person to want to switch at their earliest convenience is something you can't know. Combined suggestion: The new default language will take effect once you have logged out. Better suggestion: Don't put that sentence in an alert at all. (The only reason I accepted the alert in the first place was that I assumed it would contain a restart button.) Instead, put it in small print under the Default language menu, whenever the selected value has not yet been applied. -- Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/260380 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 260380] Re: Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: Specific suggestions: * In order to can almost always be shortened to to. * Activate the changes could be more specific: use the new default language. * Restart your session could be confused with restarting the computer, so it's probably better to refer just to logging out instead. But I assume the new language will apply even if someone *else* ends up logging in, so it's logging out that's the relevant action. * Login and logout are nouns; the verbs are log in and log out. Re- doesn't work for compound words, therefore you would use log in again instead. * At your earliest convenience is unnecessary: all that you need to communicate is when the language change will take effect. Whether it's urgent enough for the person to want to switch at their earliest convenience is something you can't know. Combined suggestion: The new default language will take effect once you have logged out. As this also applies to the Complex Character input checkbox, as well as installing / removing input-method packages, it should be more general. How about: The new language settings will take effect once you have logged out. Better suggestion: Don't put that sentence in an alert at all. (The only reason I accepted the alert in the first place was that I assumed it would contain a restart button.) Instead, put it in small print under the Default language menu, whenever the selected value has not yet been applied. Hmm... I just implemented it to use update-notifier to display the message... I'm afraid the small print, which is only visible whenever the selected value has not yet been applied, might be overlooked too easily. Would this be acceptable, too? -- Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/260380 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 260380] Re: Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart
Setting status to triaged and importance to wishlist. ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist Status: New = Triaged -- Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/260380 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 260380] Re: Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart
I'm going to remove that dialog and use update-notifier instead. The reboot is not really necessary to activate the changes, but restarting the X session is. So, I'd like to show a note using update-notifier with some wording to request the user to relogin. Something like this: In order to activate the changes you'll need to restart your session. Please logout and re-login at your earliest convenience. Because English is not my native language, suggestions for rephrasing this sentence are welcome. -- Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/260380 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 260380] Re: Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart
I was not aware of the mentioned spec. Indeed the Restart Now and Restart Later buttons should be there. For me one question remains: should clicking the Restart Later button: - exit the full application, or - just close the message window it is part of? -- Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/260380 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 260380] Re: Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart
** Description changed: - Binary package hint: language-selector + Ubuntu 8.04.1 1. Open System Administration Language Support. - 2. Select a language for installation, click Apply, and wait for the installation to finish. + 2. Change the Default Language setting, and click Apply. What you see: * Reboot required - To complete the changes a reboot is required so that the new functionality is activated. * A Close button that doesn't actually close the Language Support window. * No ability to restart the computer. What you should see: * A message that doesn't use the words reboot, functionality, or activated. For example, You need to restart the computer before using newly-installed languages. * Restart Now and Restart Later buttons. -- Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/260380 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 260380] Re: Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart
Report corrected, thanks. I agree that normally an immediate restart will not be necessary, so Restart Later should be the default. However, it's part of our Exit Strategy spec https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/ExitStrategy that the normal Restart function will take a bit longer to access. Therefore, any time Ubuntu needs restarting, the program that made the restart necessary should provide easy access to restarting. (Like Update Manager already does, for example.) ** Description changed: Ubuntu 8.04.1 1. Open System Administration Language Support. 2. Change the Default Language setting, and click Apply. What you see: * Reboot required - To complete the changes a reboot is required so that the new functionality is activated. * A Close button that doesn't actually close the Language Support window. * No ability to restart the computer. What you should see: - * A message that doesn't use the words reboot, functionality, or activated. For example, You need to restart the computer before using newly-installed languages. + * A message that doesn't use the words reboot, functionality, or activated. For example, You need to restart the computer before the new default language will take effect. * Restart Now and Restart Later buttons. -- Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/260380 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 260380] Re: Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart
I agree that the message is too technical and should be changed. I also think the example alternative for the message is a good one. Thanks. I only get that message when I change the default language; not by merely installing a new language. Is that the same with you? If so: you can edit your original report if you like by clicking 'Update description / tags'. If not so: what Ubuntu release are you using? I tried Hardy and Intrepid. I do not agree with the second point. The Close button closes the current window as I would expect. As there is a main window behind it, I would not expect it to close the full application. I will attach a screenshot of the situation. I also do not think there should be restart options offered by the language selector. There is no immediate need for the user to restart, because the system will keep working without problem when there is no restart. In such circumstances my opinion is it is better that the user restarts the system the 'normal' way, thus having the option to neatly save documents and close running applications first. Thanks for filing this bug. Please comment on my opinions and / or edit the original report. ** Attachment added: close button closes message window http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17006045/Screenshot.png -- Restart-required alert is jargon-filled and doesn't let you restart https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/260380 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
