[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-11-02 Thread Dean Holland
libpcap output on 2.6.24-21

** Attachment added: "2.6.24-working.pcap"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19249656/2.6.24-working.pcap

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-11-02 Thread Dean Holland
> try adding:
> echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_sack

No good unfortunately, I captured the output of tcpdump and have
attached it.

** Attachment added: "2.6.27-issue.pcap"
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Re: [Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-11-02 Thread Aldo Maggi
Il giorno Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:38:39 -
Dean Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:

> I am still seeing issues even with the 2.6.27-7.15 kernel and updated
> procps package. Setting tcp_timestamps to 0 does not resolve it for
> me.

try adding:
echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_sack

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-11-02 Thread Dean Holland
I am still seeing issues even with the 2.6.27-7.15 kernel and updated
procps package. Setting tcp_timestamps to 0 does not resolve it for me.

I can, however, reboot into the 2.6.24-21-server (from Hardy) and all
browsing etc. returns to normal.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache policy procps linux-image-2.6.27-7-server
procps:
  Installed: 1:3.2.7-9ubuntu2.1
  Candidate: 1:3.2.7-9ubuntu2.1
  Version table:
 *** 1:3.2.7-9ubuntu2.1 0
500 http://mirror.3fl.net.au intrepid-updates/main Packages
500 http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 1:3.2.7-9ubuntu2 0
500 http://mirror.3fl.net.au intrepid/main Packages
linux-image-2.6.27-7-server:
  Installed: 2.6.27-7.15
  Candidate: 2.6.27-7.15
  Version table:
 *** 2.6.27-7.15 0
500 http://mirror.3fl.net.au intrepid-updates/main Packages
500 http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 2.6.27-7.14 0
500 http://mirror.3fl.net.au intrepid/main Packages

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-30 Thread Jamie Strandboge
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-661-1

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-30 Thread Pete Graner
Technical explanation of how the procps package undoes the tcp timestamp
setting described earlier in this bug:

http://blog.redvoodoo.org/2008/10/backing-out-procps-change-how-it-
works.html

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-30 Thread Colin Watson
procps (1:3.2.7-9ubuntu3) intrepid-security; urgency=low

  * Drop debian/sysctl.d/10-tcp-timestamps-workaround.conf again now that we
have a fixed kernel, and make sure it gets removed on upgrade to this
version (LP: #264019).

 -- Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:39:39 +

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-30 Thread Pete Graner
linux (2.6.27-7.15) intrepid-security; urgency=low

  [ Upstream Kernel Changes ]

  * tcp: Restore ordering of TCP options for the sake of inter-operability
- LP: #264019

 --  Tim Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:28:06
-0600


** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-30 Thread Pete Graner
For those watching this bug you can find out why we did things this way
here:

http://blog.redvoodoo.org/2008/10/tcp-timestamps-2627-why-ubuntu-put-
out.html

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-30 Thread Steve Langasek
the decision has been made to release this as a security update
immediately post-release, so a separate release notes entry is not
warranted.

** Changed in: ubuntu-release-notes
   Status: Confirmed => Invalid

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Re: [Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:56:23PM -, Nick Lowe wrote:
> Just to clarify this in stark terms...

> The workaround -introduces- a data corruption problem at high data rates
> because it disables PAWS protection in the TCP/IP stack by virtue of the
> timestamps no longer being there.

> The server release will go out with this, which will be run in places
> highly likely to see these data rates!

It has always been our intention to provide a kernel update immediately
post-release to correct this issue.  This new information doesn't change
that plan (and indeed, Dave appears to acknowledge that disabling tcp
timestamping is the lesser evil here).

We should consider re-adding this to the release notes based on this latest
information, so thank you for the pointer.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-29 Thread Stefano Maioli
If I understand this correctly, TCP timestamps were completely broken in
Hardy, so the workaround introduces no new bug or regression. Plus, a
fixed kernel will probably come in a matter of days. If this is true I
don't see the point in delaying the release.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-29 Thread Nick Lowe
Just to clarify this in stark terms...

The workaround -introduces- a data corruption problem at high data rates
because it disables PAWS protection in the TCP/IP stack by virtue of the
timestamps no longer being there.

The server release will go out with this, which will be run in places
highly likely to see these data rates!

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-29 Thread Nick Lowe
That certain "bitter" red hat employee would happen to be one of the
maintainers of the Linux TCP/IP stack:

http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/MAINTAINERS#L2947

I certainly had no appreciation of the importance of PAWS protection...

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-29 Thread Nick Lowe
Sorry? Respectfully, you seem to be missing the point here.

"So its a data corruption issue on top of a security issue.

Has this been communicated into the Ubuntu bug tracker?


-jef"

I have quoted and posted a link here for that very reason.

Thanks,

Nick

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-29 Thread Matt Zimmerman
Let's leave the childish remarks to certain bitter Red Hat employees on
LWN, ok?  This is a bug report and is not the place to engage in this
sort of nonsense.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-29 Thread Graham Lyon
>Ubuntu made the wrong decision, there is simply no argument for
>the way this was "handled."

Called it ;)

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-29 Thread Nick Lowe
http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/304791/b4651360c812df4a/?format=printable

Posted Oct 29, 2008 14:29 UTC (Wed) by davem (subscriber, #4154) [Link]
Btw, if you care at all about your data, you will not run
Ubuntu's release that doesn't fix the kernel and instead
turns timestamps off.

If you turn timestamps off, at rates of 1GB/s and above you
are exposed to possible sequence number wraparound. This in
turn can lead to data corruption. Without timestamps there is
no PAWS protection (Protection Against Wrapped Sequence numbers)
and thus at high enough data rates new data can be interpreted
as old data and vice versa, corrupting your data stream.

Ubuntu made the wrong decision, there is simply no argument for
the way this was "handled."

I don't understand why everyone gets their tits in a knot when
even the slightest suggestion of slipping a release is suggested
in order to fix a serious bug like one of this magnitude. It is
always the right thing to do, and it avoids crap like what is
happening here.

To reiterate, if timestamps are off, you are exposed to possible
data corruption.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-29 Thread Tim Gardner
Intrepid - tcp: Restore ordering of TCP options for the sake of inter-
operability

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Importance: Medium => High
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Tim Gardner (timg-tpi)
   Status: Triaged => Fix Committed

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-28 Thread bobbyjean58
The new procps deb I just updated via synaptic fixed the network issue.
Congrats. This will give a new user an opportunity to fairly judge
Ubuntu without having to deal with a connection issue. Nice work.

Thanks for your efforts to everyone involved.

Bob Good

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-28 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: linux (Mandriva)
   Status: Unknown => Invalid

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Re: [Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 03:57:37PM -, Michael Hipp wrote:
> I can confirm the fix works (this on an Alltel 3G/EVDO network with
> WinXP as a router - don't laugh). The problem had been consistent and
> repeatable before. Good work Colin and anyone else that helped.

> Could you let us know when the fix has made it into an iso so we can
> test a fresh install?

The fix is in all the daily ISO images from today.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-27 Thread williamlweaver
I can confirm that running procps_3.2.7-9ubuntu2_i386.deb worked as
expected.

I downloaded the .deb package, reversed the net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps = 0
in /etc/sysctl.conf fix and then applied the package.

I am using a Westell Model 327W (D90-327W15-06) Manufactured 9/2006 with
Verizon DSL.

Thanks all!

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-27 Thread Michael Hipp
I can confirm the fix works (this on an Alltel 3G/EVDO network with
WinXP as a router - don't laugh). The problem had been consistent and
repeatable before. Good work Colin and anyone else that helped.

Could you let us know when the fix has made it into an iso so we can
test a fresh install?

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-27 Thread Adam Buchbinder
** Also affects: linux (Mandriva) via
   http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=43372
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
As the workaround is now in place, I'm lowering the importance of the
kernel task to medium as it's no longer urgent.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Importance: High => Medium

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-27 Thread Forest Bond
This is the right decision.  Thanks!

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
The procps workaround should resolve this issue for affected users for
the 8.10 release.  We also plan to issue a kernel update after the
release with the proper fix, once it has been fully tested.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-27 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package procps - 1:3.2.7-9ubuntu2

---
procps (1:3.2.7-9ubuntu2) intrepid; urgency=low

  * Add debian/sysctl.d/10-tcp-timestamps-workaround.conf to disable TCP
timestamping, since its implementation in the 2.6.27 kernel in Ubuntu
8.10 causes problems with certain routers (LP: #264019).

 -- Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:47:21 +

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Status: In Progress => Fix Released

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-27 Thread Colin Watson
Due to time constraints, it looks as if we're going to work around this
in procps for 8.10.

** Also affects: procps (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Importance: Undecided => Critical
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Colin Watson (kamion)
   Status: New => In Progress
   Target: None => ubuntu-8.10

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-27 Thread Steve Langasek
Good point regarding the opacity of the release note entry's title,
thanks.  I've updated this now to read:

  Unable to browse some websites when connected to particular Internet
providers

I'm reluctant to name particular ISPs or routers in our release notes
because we haven't established what routers have the bug.  Given that
users have reported it with Verizon with multiple models of DSL routers
it seems likely that the problem lies with Verizon's routers and not
with the Westells themselves, but interjecting guesses into the release
notes isn't what we want to be doing.

And yes, this is a question of being able to release on time /at all/,
not just a question of QAing the result.  But we can aim to have the
fixed kernel available ASAP after the 8.10 release.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-26 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: linux
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-26 Thread Nick Lowe
I've just seen:

http://kerneltrap.org/node/16680

This isn't going to be a corner case issue.

If the problem here is one of QA process having rebuilt and not rebuild time 
itself, what is needed here IMO is a clear case of risk management.
 
My view is that, even this late in the release cycle, the fix is so obvious and 
limited in code footprint/scope, that the question needs to be asked:
 
What is the chance of us introducing a regression making this change?
 
-weighted against-
 
What do we know or think will happen if we do nothing about this?
 
For me, considering that, I definitely feel that this is a strong candidate to 
be an exception to normal release rules.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-25 Thread bobbyjean58
Quote
"I'm sorry, but just no. You clearly didn't think that through: if they are 
affected by this issue then they won't be able to get the updated kernel, 
surely you thought of this? The whole point of the release candidate stage is 
to catch critical bugs and this bug /is/ critical as you are prevented from 
updating your installation and so cannot EVER be free of the bug short of 
downloading the packages to USB. Please correct me if I'm wrong..."

Exactly. How the heck are people affected by this problem going to
update the kernel, at some future time, if they can't connect to the
update server or seek help if they can't connect to Ubuntu Forum? As we
say here in southwest Virginia...that dog don't hunt. BTW, my Verizon
DSL modem is only 3 years old (Westell 6100).

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-25 Thread Nick Lowe
Looking at the rease notes which -normal- user is going to even
associate Internet with TCP... (In the UK, most people think TCP is a
brand of antiseptic!)

It is implicit to -us- only.

If I asked my brother or mom to read it, what would they say?

They'll just think, I can't get to where I want to go, this doesn't
work, Ubuntu is broken!

It really does seem to be another case of Linux, written by geeks for
geeks. (And I really thought Ubuntu aimed to be better than that!)

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-25 Thread eviltwin
Just to clarify on my point above, what Nick said about it being people
who aren't technically minded being affected by this is what I was
attempting to show. On mass, the people who are affected by this will be
users who don't read the release notes (I often don't bother, for
example, only when downloading RC builds do I generally do that). That
means that saying "oh well all they have to do is sudo blah and it will
all work" is absolutely pointless. This gives the worst out of the box
experience for any linux converts and I am anticipating my girlfriend
ringing me at the end of the month because she's upgraded her laptop and
the internet no longer works...

If you truly care about ubuntu being "linux for human beings" then you
will delay the release to get this fixed - having network access is one
of the most fundamental features of the distro. How many threads in the
forums are you anticipating seeing of people who can't be bothered to
search the forums, don't read the release notes and seem to have
internet access issues? (assuming they can get to the forums!)

Let's look at the release notes. First, the description isn't /technically/ 
accurate: the issue isn't a result of tcp timestamping, it's a result of the 
ordering and disabling timestamps happens to fix the issue. So, I'm a home user 
and I'm told I should run the command:
sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps=0
Great, where do I type that? What's this TCP stuff anyway? Those release notes 
are written by devs and clearly target devs at some points, you're just not 
really thinking about who this affects most badly...

As always, feel free to retort my above points...

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-25 Thread Nick Lowe
I agree... You should really delay for this if you need more time...

RC shouldn't mean Release ComeHellOrHighWater

The users who are most likely to hit this are home users behind their
aged/unmaintained consumer routers who are highly unlikely to understand
why they can't access the Web and will just go elsewhere...

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-25 Thread williamlweaver
Thanks all for the TCP timestamps workaround on the 8.10 rc release
notes page.  I can confirm experiencing the described "certain sites"
connection problem in ibex after an upgrade from hardy LTS.

I am using a Westel Model 327W wired/wireless router on Verizon DSL.
After an attempt to diagnose the issue with system monitor, I rtfm'ed
the known issues page and the description looked like it was written to
me personally.

Kudos to all for resolving the issue.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-25 Thread eviltwin
>The kernel fix is known upstream; implementing it requires kernel uploads
>and installer rebuilds, which it's just not possible to fit in between the
>release candidate and the release. We will certainly want to include this
>fix in a kernel update as soon as possible after the release, but this is
>unfortunately in a class of bugs that we can't fix the week of release (even
>turning timestamps off requires a kernel upload, unless we want to
>permanently disable tcp timestamp support for Ubuntu 8.10).

I'm sorry, but just no. You clearly didn't think that through: if they
are affected by this issue then they won't be able to get the updated
kernel, surely you thought of this? The whole point of the release
candidate stage is to catch critical bugs and this bug /is/ critical as
you are prevented from updating your installation and so cannot EVER be
free of the bug short of downloading the packages to USB. Please correct
me if I'm wrong...

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-25 Thread yareckon
Can someone change the release notes header to read "Severe Connectivity
Problems caused by Enabled TCP Timestamps behind older routers". the
heading "TCP Timestamps" says nothing that will catch the eye of someone
reading the release notes before an upgrade.

Please also put "Verizon" in bold.  This is a really big, problem.  A
dangerous one for linux in terms of impressions.   When 20% of ubuntu
users on the east coast of the U.S. are going to drop off the net on
upgrade, you want to warn them first.

We also need to pressure Verizon (Westtel) and Netgear to get their shit
together.  Hopefully the upstream patch works, but pressuring the router
makers should happen.

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Re: [Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 11:00:46AM -, John Lee wrote:
> It's mentioned in the release notes as if it is a minor issue- there
> must e a lot of ubuntu users using oldish home routers - this is going
> to cause new ibexers a lot of problems, especially if they don't read
> the release notes carefully  so I really think that the default should
> be  with timestamps off until the kernel fix is found.  It also should
> certainly be mentioned in the technical overview 'issues' so people are
> more likly to see it.

The kernel fix is known upstream; implementing it requires kernel uploads
and installer rebuilds, which it's just not possible to fit in between the
release candidate and the release.  We will certainly want to include this
fix in a kernel update as soon as possible after the release, but this is
unfortunately in a class of bugs that we can't fix the week of release (even
turning timestamps off requires a kernel upload, unless we want to
permanently disable tcp timestamp support for Ubuntu 8.10).

FWIW, we don't consider any of the issues docuented in the release notes to
be "minor"; the release notes are the authoritative place to find
information about the /major/ issues affecting a release.  The technical
overview is, in fact, much lower profile than the release notes at release
time.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-25 Thread Nick Lowe
Gitweb of patch and description for those interested:

http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/davem/net-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd6149d332973bafa50f03ddb0ea9513e67f4517

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-25 Thread Michael Hipp
I'll add that this bug also makes the initial install take a really long
time also likely because it's having to retry.

Please add it to final if at all possible.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-25 Thread Nick Lowe
Yup, yuk indeed.

I would have to question the value of a release candidate if an issue as
significant as this cant be fixed before final...

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-25 Thread John Lee
Yuk, I just encountered this problem when doing an 'update'  using
update manager - it works ok for some sites but then the transfer rate
goes to zero for others! I'm going through a BT Voyager 2500 11g router
via Talktalk broadband - not sure which the buggy router is  Because
it's site specific, it works ok via same wireless router for my 2nd
ubuntu system, but I'm going to turn timstamps off anyway.

It's mentioned in the release notes as if it is a minor issue- there
must e a lot of ubuntu users using oldish home routers - this is going
to cause new ibexers a lot of problems, especially if they don't read
the release notes carefully  so I really think that the default should
be  with timestamps off until the kernel fix is found.  It also should
certainly be mentioned in the technical overview 'issues' so people are
more likly to see it.

Regards John

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-24 Thread Nick Lowe
IMO, now that the issue is understood, a patch is available and appears
to be relative unobtrusive, it would be nice if a fix for this could be
worked in before final.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-24 Thread Leann Ogasawara
Just wanted to add a note for the kernel team to reference.  The patch
was recently accepted upstream:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/linux-2.6$ git log -p 
fd6149d332973bafa50f03ddb0ea9513e67f4517
commit fd6149d332973bafa50f03ddb0ea9513e67f4517
Author: Ilpo Järvinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   Thu Oct 23 14:06:35 2008 -0700

tcp: Restore ordering of TCP options for the sake of inter-
operability

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-23 Thread Matt Zimmerman
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Target: None => intrepid-updates

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-22 Thread Steve Langasek
updated the release notes to mention that upstream is working on a fix.

** Changed in: ubuntu-release-notes
   Status: In Progress => Fix Released

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-22 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: linux
   Status: Unknown => Confirmed

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-22 Thread Steve Langasek
More information has become available about this issue via the duplicate
bug #272896, including an upstream bug report where upstream discusses a
fix to preserve interoperability with these devices without losing tcp
timestamp support.

I'm reopening this bug report, we should update the release notes with
this new info and hopefully we can also get this into intrepid in an
SRU.

** Changed in: ubuntu-release-notes
   Status: Fix Released => In Progress

** Changed in: ubuntu-release-notes
 Assignee: Colin Watson (kamion) => Steve Langasek (vorlon)

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Status: Invalid => Triaged

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-22 Thread Steve Langasek
** Bug watch added: Linux Kernel Bug Tracker #11721
   http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11721

** Also affects: linux via
   http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11721
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-22 Thread bobbyjean58
Colin,
Will these release notes be included within the Intrepid iso?

Thank you,
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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-22 Thread Colin Watson
I've added this text to the release notes (wiki notation):

== TCP timestamps ==

Linux 2.6.27 now sets the timestamps option in TCP packets
([[http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1323.txt|RFC 1323]]), an option dating
from 1992 to improve performance over high-bandwidth-times-latency paths
and to improve reliability over high-bandwidth paths, which was
previously omitted by mistake.

However, this change appears to cause problems for some users, believed to be 
due to buggy routers between the user and the destination server (for example, 
this has been reported by several Verizon DSL users). If your Internet 
connection mostly appears to be working correctly, but you have problems 
connecting to certain sites, then try the following command: {{{
sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps=0
}}}

This change will normally expire the next time you restart your computer. If it 
fixes the problem, then you can make the change permanent by running `sudo 
editor /etc/sysctl.conf` and adding the following line to the end of that file: 
{{{
net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps = 0
}}}

The real bug here is in your router (if you own one) or your ISP's
routers. If a firmware upgrade is available for your router, follow your
manufacturer's instructions to upgrade it. Otherwise, contact the
support department of your router manufacturer or your ISP for further
advice.

See [[https://launchpad.net/bugs/264019|bug #264019]], and thanks to
[[http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_Errata#TCP_timestamps|Mandriva]]
for their clear documentation of this issue.

** Changed in: ubuntu-release-notes
   Status: Triaged => Fix Released

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-22 Thread Colin Watson
** Changed in: ubuntu-release-notes
   Importance: Undecided => Medium
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Colin Watson (kamion)
   Status: New => Triaged

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-21 Thread Ed K
I've used the workaround on a variety of networks (including my
university and a friend's cable-modem based networks) without issue, so
using the workaround as the default doesn't seem to have a negative
effect on functionality.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-21 Thread bobbyjean58
Adam,
Thanks for the reply. I have a question...would there be a disadvantage to 
including `sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps=0` or 'net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps=0' 
by default for those of us who use Verizon? Would it affect the functioning of 
anyone's  computer? Seems to me that could be easily tested.

Thanks,
Bob Good (bobbyjean58)

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-21 Thread Forest Bond
Adam,

 * What makes TCP timestamps desired?  What do they get us?
 * Why don't other OS's (OS X, Windows) experience the same problem?

I agree that Linux shouldn't be buggy to work around router issues,
however, the fact that other OS's have no issues suggests that there may
be some compliant behavior that does not trigger the router issue.  It
would be advantageous to ship a reasonable work-around.

Thanks,
Forest

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-21 Thread Adam Williamson
bobby: because TCP timestamps are a desired feature. The fact that they
were broken in the upstream kernel for a long time was the bug. It's
just that now they've been fixed, this is exposing the fact that some
routers do not handle timestamps correctly.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-16 Thread bobbyjean58
Why is it that if we use a kernel other than 2.6.27 then our internet
connection works fine? This problem started with the introduction of the
2.6.27 kernel so how can it not be a kernel problem? This decision seems
to be side stepping a really big problem for a few of us. Luckily
there's a solution but for someone new to Linux trying out Ubuntu this
problem could be a big turn off. Will release notes be included in the
final iso? If not, then these new Ubuntu users could have trouble
connecting to find these release notes. I could not connect to Ubuntu's
forum or ubuntu.com at all with this problem.

Thanks...
bobbyjean58

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-16 Thread Steve Langasek
Thanks for the feedback; marking this as invalid for the linux package,
because this has been isolated as a router bug and not a bug in the
Linux kernel.  It is not generally appropriate to diverge from the
upstream kernel over policy decisions in the IP stack, when the kernel
is not actually buggy and the problem is with other routers that fail to
correctly handle compliant TCP/IP traffic.

We will document in the release notes, so that users are informed of the
problem and can follow a step-by-step process to change their kernel
settings.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Status: Confirmed => Invalid

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-16 Thread Ed K
I can also confirm this issue on verizon DSL using a Westell 6100 modem.
When using my laptop on other connections the issue doesn't appear.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-16 Thread bobbyjean58
Forest,
Actually, I tried it at '/etc/sysctl.conf' by adding 
'net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps=0' suggested in the link above but it didn't work. 
Placing `sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps=0` within '/etc/init.d/rc.local' 
worked for me.

BTW, I had the same problem in Fedora 10. I would expect this would fix
it there as well.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-16 Thread Forest Bond
bobbyjean58,

The standard place for this kind of setting is in /etc/sysctl.conf.  Add
the following line to that file:

net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps=0

This is preferred over /etc/init.d/rc.local (actually, you may want to
change /etc/rc.local instead of that file, too).

I agree, though.  Ubuntu is supposed to be easy to use, and editing
/etc/sysctl.conf is outside of the what many users ought to be
reasonably considered to do.  I understand that this is ultimately a
router bug, but why aren't other OS's affected?  Do they also fail to
set the timestamp header?

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-16 Thread bobbyjean58
I placed the command 'sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps=0' in
/etc/init.d/rc.local, rebooted, and as of right now everything is fine.
No connection problems. But for a novice this might be a bit of a
problem to do. Isn't there a way to include this command in the Intrepid
final release by default?

Thanks for finding a solution for this, Nathan.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-16 Thread bobbyjean58
Thanks, for the clarification, Steve. Running 'sysctl -w
net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps=0' as root works but you lose it once you
reboot.

Yes, I uninstalled Firestarter and rebooted before trying that command.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-16 Thread Steve Langasek
bobbyjean58, I think the pointer to wiki.mandriva.com referred to the
tcp_timestamps change, not ipv6.  Can you confirm that using the sysctl
command Forest mentions in
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264019/comments/35
fixes the problem for you, when run as root?

If so, I'll close the linux kernel task here and we'll document this in
the release notes.

** Also affects: ubuntu-release-notes
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-15 Thread bobbyjean58
One of the first things I tried to rectify this problem was to disable
ipv6. That didn't work, at least for me.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-15 Thread Forest Bond
I *think* that `sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps=0` resolves this issue
for me.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-15 Thread Forest Bond
Indeed, this looks very similar:

https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=43372

I will try the fix in a few and report back.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-15 Thread NathanMoureyII
I also had this problem.  I found my solution here:

http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_Errata#Slow_or_no_internet_response_.28particularly_web_browsing.29

Hope this helps.

Nate.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-15 Thread dhuv
It does not matter which router you use. I have tried this on a few
Verizon DSL connections with different DSL modems and routers (Netgear,
Linux gateway, Linksys), they all have the same problem. I am able to
ping the server and since one of my servers on the inet has this problem
I was able to do a tcpdump on my laptop and server. The server
definitely gets the request and even sends a response. I did not spend
much time verifying each of the lines in the tcpdump but there
definitely is a request and response.

I have a server that is on a DSL connection that is on Cloud9 but their
lines are leased from Verizon so it is basically a Verizon connection.
When my laptop is on a cable connection I can get to all sites just
fine, but I am not able to get to the site on that server. So it is a
problem with all clients trying to access servers on a Verizon network
as well.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-15 Thread Manuel Siggen
I experienced the same problem on my Thinkpad X40 : running the 2.6.27
kernel I could ping all hosts on the web, but couldn't wget/curl any of
them. Even apt-get update couldn't connect to security.ubuntu.com !
Everything works fine with the 2.6.24 kernel. I tried this at home, I'll
try it again at work to see if I can reproduce this strange behavior.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-14 Thread Forest Bond
The complicating factor is that the problem does not exist at all on
2.6.24 (running intrepid userland), but is very easy to reproduce with
2.6.27.  I agree that our network environments are related, but the
kernel version seems to be a factor, as well.

I have a Westell WireSpeed Data Gateway.  I can get the exact model if
it's important.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-14 Thread Steve Langasek
I've run a comparable test against www.youtube.com here, and find that
the server responds to the query with one very large, fragmented packet.
Given that these packet fragments never appear at all in Forest's trace,
and given that there's a common theme that this affects users of Verizon
DSL, it seems likely that the router is discarding them for some reason.

Nothing stands out to me in the packet trace that would explain why
those fragments would be discarded, though.

What router do each of you have in place on your Verizon DSL?

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-14 Thread Steve Langasek
Such a bug has a significant impact on the release so I'm confirming
this for intrepid, but from the available information, I'm not sure that
we're really looking at a kernel bug here.  The wireshark traces
available certainly seem to indicate a failure of the return traffic
from the server to be received by the client, which I would expect to
manifest much more dramatically if it were the result of a bug in the
client stack.

I've requested full pcap traces, which may provide more information
here.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Importance: Undecided => High
   Status: New => Confirmed

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-14 Thread Forest Bond
Attached PCAP files as requested by slangasek.

** Attachment added: "PCAP file"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18548206/wireshark3.pcap

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-14 Thread Forest Bond
Attached PCAP files as requested by slangasek.

** Attachment added: "PCAP file"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18548200/wireshark2.pcap

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-14 Thread Forest Bond
Attached PCAP files as requested by slangasek.

** Attachment added: "PCAP file"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18548193/wireshark.pcap

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-14 Thread mermerico
I have this problem as well. Running 64 bit, wireless with ndiswrapper,
verizon dsl. I would like to mention that the websites that don't work
differ from person to person. I couldn't access launchpad for instance.
Switching to the older kernel fixed my problem, I didn't get to try
firestarter because google hadn't cached this page since people
mentioned that :-). People on the ubuntu forums suggested using some
network-manager ppa, but because I couldn't access launchpad, I coudn't
do that. Intrepid should really be delayed to make sure this problem
gets fixed. It would give the high command a chance to include
openoffice 3 as well.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-14 Thread bobbyjean58
I'm on Verizon DSL.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-14 Thread Marques Johansson
I also experienced the problem with Verizon DSL as the ISP.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-13 Thread Forest Bond
I'm also on Verizon (well, Earthlink via Fairpoint, previously Verizon)
DSL.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-13 Thread dhuv
I also notice that on my Verizon DSL it does NOT work but on a Comcast
Cable or Time Warner Cable connection, it is fine. I hope this info
helps with the troubleshooting. For the time being I will downgrade to
2.6.25.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-12 Thread Forest Bond
One more wireshark capture.  This one shows multiple duplicate ACKs.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-12 Thread Forest Bond
Yeah, can't be #230456 because that patch is already applied.

I have another wireshark trace attached.  The basic problem is "TCP
Previous segment lost" followed by a series of "TCP Dup Ack".

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-12 Thread Forest Bond
Text export of wireshark trace is attached.

BTW, I'm wondering if this is related to
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/230456.  I don't
really know anything about this, though, so I could be way off...

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-12 Thread Forest Bond
BTW, firestarter doesn't seem to help here.  I suspect that if it
appears to work for anyone, it's probably coincidental.  Please feel
free to correct me if I'm wrong.

What's confusing about this bug is that it certainly appears to be in
the TCP stack somewhere, but it obviously isn't affecting a lot of
people or there would be more reports.  It's not limited to a particular
driver, though, because I see it with both my wired and wireless
connections.

This is a real show-stopper for me, though.  TCP becomes totally
unreliable.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-12 Thread Forest Bond
One more thing:  I don't think it is the site that causes the problem.
It's just that larger HTTP downloads are more likely to fail due to
increased likelihood of dropped packets.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-12 Thread Forest Bond
I'm experiencing the same issue on my HP Mini Note 2133, both on the
wireless interface (b43) and the wired interface (tg3).

I did some tracing with wireshark and found that a response packet was
being dropped and not resent.  It was followed by a duplicate ACK.  I
don't know TCP well enough to provide any further insight, but I do have
the wireshark capture file.  Please ask for it if it would be useful.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-11 Thread Daniel Leiter
I had been trying to find a solution to this problem for a week! This
just made my day, thanks!

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-09 Thread Nathan Barnes
I just Installed firestarter and that fixes both Web surfing and update
manager downloads.  Thanks BobbyJean

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-09 Thread Nathan Barnes
Hi this is my first ever post to a ubuntu / launchpad forum.  
I am having the exact same problem with Ubuntu 8.10.  I have found that turning 
off the spi firewall in my Netgear WPN824 seems to fix it.  However the system 
update manager is still running very slow.
Everything worked fine in Hardy, which i used on the same computer previously 
(an eepc 900).  However my house mate wants the spi firewall on, so i cant use 
internet :(

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

2008-10-07 Thread cropr
I experience the same bug with Intrepid beta1.  Doing a telnet on port
80 to a slow site works.   Doing a GET / is extremely slow, less than
100 Bytes per second.  Because of this behaviour, any browser I used
(Firefox, Opera, Konqueror) give connection errors.

booting Intrepid beta 1 with a hardy kernel 2.4.24-19 works OK

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27-2

2008-10-06 Thread Marques Johansson
** Description changed:

  2.6.27 introduced a networking issue, leaving sites like youtube.com,
  and microsoft.com not working via the web browsers on one of my systems
  (but not others).  This system, like the others, was upgraded from
  Hardy.
  
  I am unable to transfer files from archive.ubuntu.com via apt (http) or
  lftp (ftp, not http).  I can connect via ftp and traverse and list
  files/directories, but when I try to "get", the transfer stays at 0
  bytes.
  
  Likewise, if I do a naive "telnet youtube.com 80"
  GET / HTTP/1.1
  HOST: youtube.com
  I get a response, but when the web browser (firefox,opera) attempts to load 
these sites they do not progress - the 'transferring' status stays fixed. Some 
web sites (google, yahoo) work fine though.
  
  When I reboot this system back to the 2.6.26-5 kernel everything works
  as it should.  I tried setting rp_filter=0 on all, eth0, and default
  (instead of the Ubuntu default 1), as I have seen this and ecn settings
  cause site specific problems.  Those settings had no effect in this
  case.
  
  I only have remote access to this system.  I am able to remotely ssh
  into this box, but I could not scp a file to it.  I was able to scp to
- this host from host on the same local network, however.  I have tested
+ this host from a host on the same local network, however.  I have tested
  this problem using both the wired ethernet adapter, and using a wireless
  adapter.  The same problem existed in both configurations - some
  websites could be reached, while others could not.
  
  The other Intrepid host on the same network did not have these
  connection issues.

** Tags added: 2.6.27 kernel network

** Summary changed:

- unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27-2
+ unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27-2

2008-10-06 Thread Hinrik Örn Sigurðsson
2.6.27-5 still has this bug.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27-2

2008-10-03 Thread bobbyjean58
It's the 2.6.27 kernel that's the problem. Yesterday I tried Fedora 10,
which uses the 2.6.27-* kernel, and had the same problem, but, just like
in Ubuntu, if you install firestarter (I downloaded a copy and saved it
before I installed Fedora) internet surfing is fine. Strange.

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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27-2

2008-10-02 Thread Marques Johansson
Here's the dmesg from 2.6.27-4-generic.  Some sites do not make
functioning connection - including Ubuntu updates via apt.

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connections)"
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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27-2

2008-10-02 Thread Marques Johansson
On an up-to-date Intrepid system with 2.6.27-4 (i386) I am still
experiencing this problem.  2.6.27-2-generic also showed this problem.

When using 2.6.26-5 network connections work correctly.


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[Bug 264019] Re: unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27-2

2008-09-24 Thread bobbyjean58
Similar problem since 2.6.27 kernel was introduced in Intrepid. I can
connect to some sites, like iGoogle and Yahoo (plus others when I can
find them), but not others (like Ubuntu Forums). I can not do any
updates either in terminal (cursor just sits there blinking with Waiting
for Headers displayed) nor Synaptic. I did find a work around though. If
I install Firestarter then internet surfing is back to normal once again
(under 2.6.27 kernel). Strange, I know, but it works. My chipset is VIA
VT6103L for my on-board Lan connection. I also run thru a Westell 6100
Nat combo modem. I've never had this problem in prior versions of
Ubuntu. BTW, in Hardy I compiled a 2.6.27-rc5 kernel and had the same
problem.

Glad I found someone else who's having the same problem. At least I know
it's not just me.

Thanks.

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unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27-2
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264019
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