[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
no need to open a closed bug. see bug 761093 for Unity or report a new bug report. ** Changed in: unity Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/382703/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
For those interested new bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/856902 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/382703/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Now it seems Unity wants to call it Home Folder instead of Home ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Fix Committed = Confirmed ** Also affects: unity Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/382703/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
This is fixed now. ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Assignee: Sebastien Bacher (seb128) = (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/382703/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
w00t! this has now been fixed upstream! ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Triaged = Fix Committed ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Fix Committed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
** Changed in: nautilus Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
+ 1 for username. Surely even the most naive user could deduce from common sense that the folder with their username is their 'main' folder. I know that we're trying to spread Linux to the masses here but we have to realistic about the type of users that are likely to convert and I would venture to say that someone who would be confused by that most likely would never even consider converting from windows and OSX users are likely familiar with Unix naming conventions so it probably wouldn't be an issue for them anyway. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Using only the username shouldn't be any confusing as there is the home folder icon just next to the username. The tooltip could be something like Your Home Folder and that would make it even more clear. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
So true; this issue is mainly rooted in the GNOME desktop environment and Nautilus.. Who's willing to start? I'd follow. :D -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
OS X also use the username. I think using the username will be a good idea. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Changing underlying *nix mechanisms would complicate things too much and could bring a lot of confusion. I believe that the best solution is something in the line of: if directory_name == os.environ['HOME']: icon_name = _(Home) There is nothing wrong with the term 'Home' for a home directory. In unix world this is your home, everything that is yours should be there. :) When I want to see my files I want to go to my home not to BigWhale's Home. Referring to myself in third person feels a little bit silly. I vote for Home all around. Places, file dialogs and nautilus windows. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I think the cause of this problem is the translation of the three names. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I think nathanlee sums it up pretty well in #82. The least bad option is to go with [username]. This folder name does *not* have to be literal, it just needs to be *consistent*. It can be a concept that people adjust to after they see it for the first time oh, 'eric' means all my documents and stuff. People can figure this stuff out, and we should respect their intelligence. It's when it's inconsistent that they give up on trying, which is totally understandable, and what this bug is all about. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
My Documents should not be used as most of the files in My Documents would not be Documents (eg. music, videos). Home or Home Folder is incorrect, since this implies /home, not /home/[user]. Using [User] (or My Files, [User]'s Files or similar) would lose the meaning of the /home/[user] structure. This would be the best option if /home/[user] was, perhaps, replaced by /users/[user]. This loses continuity with other Linux distros though that isn't necessarily a bad thing - users ofter refer to Ubuntu separately to Linux anyway! Compatibility wouldn't be lost with other distros since ~/ would redirect to /users/[user]. Difficulty comes with transferring /home partitions to/from other distros or older versions of Ubuntu. [User]'s Home is the best option using the current /home/[user] system. It makes the home meaning clear whilst not confusing (indeed emphasising) new users with the difference between /home and /home/[user]. This issue with this comes with the translation. However, each translation could choose its own option, just use User, or My Home, or their own translation, or just the English word Home - after all, Ubuntu isn't an English word and yet we all know what it means, Home could be known by everyone to be the cosy place you go to while it looks after all your files! As far as the English version of Ubuntu is concerned, I believe [User]'s Home is by far superior to the other options. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Note: using [User] not [username] is the only option as mentioned in numerous posts. Wouldn't the me menu label (currently [username]) have to be changed if the Home Folder was named simply [username]? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
What about just calling it My Home? Sure, it's a bit Windows-esque, but it's a concept the widest audience is already familiar with, does away with the question of using User Name vs. username, has no translation issues, still lends a personal feel to the desktop experience, and can be consistently applied across the board. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 Title: Home Folder has 3 different names -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Max makes a great point. People are known by their personal names. In the example, Joe’s friends know him as ‘Joe’. Almost no one would call him ‘Joe Blogg’, and absolutely no one would call him ‘jblogg’—except, oddly, his computer. That is not humane. What Joe should see is his personal name. If, however, there are more than one Joes registered on the system, it should display his full name (or perhaps just ‘Joe B.’). Finally, only if Joe has not given the system his name should it display his username. A similar point can be made for the Me Menu. It lacks an option to display only one’s first name (which should be the default). -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Actual first name's Home, eg. Joe's Home. If the user hasn't registered a first name, then their username instead, eg. jblogg's Home. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: maverick-round-1-file-management = nt4-nautilus -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:53 PM, nathanl...@gmail.com nathanl...@gmail.comwrote: Here are the options I see. Every one just gives new papercuts. 1. Change the folder it points to to the actual /home folder - which is a folder a normal user wouldn't care about. 2. Ad 's folder to username - This would assume too much about what a username is. If I have a username cars for some reason, the folder would be labeled cars's folder. Languages have too many crazy rules for this to work even in english. 3. Simply use the username as is - Thus we would be going to Placesnathan. Aside from being uncapitalized (by necessity, think iTunes vs ITunes), this is a poor metaphor for a desktop. It forces the user to think of nathan as a directory, rather than a name. 4. Leave the bug untreated, or at best combining both to Home Folder. --- 4 isn't even treating the issue. 1 and 2 make new problems which aren't easily overcome 3 is thus the least bad, and I think the only real solution we have available without changing the way we organize files. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged Status in Nautilus: Confirmed Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Home Folder is called Home Folder in the Places menu, Home in nautilus toolbar and by user's name everywhere else. It should use a consistent name across the whole system.. Design Spec: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/Spec/382703 -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Here are the options I see. Every one just gives new papercuts. 1. Change the folder it points to to the actual /home folder - which is a folder a normal user wouldn't care about. 2. Ad 's folder to username - This would assume too much about what a username is. If I have a username cars for some reason, the folder would be labeled cars's folder. Languages have too many crazy rules for this to work even in english. 3. Simply use the username as is - Thus we would be going to Placesnathan. Aside from being uncapitalized (by necessity, think iTunes vs ITunes), this is a poor metaphor for a desktop. It forces the user to think of nathan as a directory, rather than a name. 4. Leave the bug untreated, or at best combining both to Home Folder. --- 4 isn't even treating the issue. 1 and 2 make new problems which aren't easily overcome 3 is thus the least bad, and I think the only real solution we have available without changing the way we organize files. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
** Changed in: nautilus Importance: Unknown = Low -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
+1 actual username (as in: the same name the folder actually has) Whenever I install ubuntu for a new user; they _always_ ask about this. So here is my reply: Well, there is this folder, where you keep your files. It's name is your username. Every user has its folder like that, in a folder called 'home'. It's called something differently in a lot of situations. Personal files (dutch translation!) in this translated application. Home folder in this other non-translated application, eventhough it's not the same folder as 'home' You can best just try, and remember visually the places where you click and where they go. Expect no consistency. Here's a rule of thumb. No folder may have more than one name. I don't care what the folder is called by default. But it should be called the same thing: - when browsing in the /home folder in nautilus (as any user) - in the nautilus crumble bar - in the nautilus crumble bar, when on literal mode (control+L) - in search-dialogs - nautilus sidebar - nautilus go-menu - terminal commands - gtk-open dialogs - location-menu - non-native file dialogs (like Java apps wine apps) So, how did this situation get so messy? Well, because appearantly, there are people out there, that believe that we should be managing the names of folders in language-packs. They apparently don't know what a filesystem does. Folders are complicated enough for people to begin with. And every application and place having a discussion about what their translation should be, isn't helping. This should be in the HIG: You may never, put a folder name in a translation-file. If you think other names are more 'usable', go argue to change the default name. But not in the application's language-packs. The file-system is quite capable of managing the actual name of the folder. For example, it would a smart idea to rename /media to /devices, so wouldn't need this fake 'this computer' folder. Try going a level up from a mount. It's doesn't even go back to this fake 'this computer' folder. It's so confusing. One file-hierarchy to rule them all, please. With one name per folder. Predictable, consistent. And yes, maybe the default folder names of things should be changed. But we should never put that change into applications or language-packs. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Amazingly long discussion .. no doubt someone will be upset after the change .. +1 on the short username! -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
No one is actively working on this bug atm. upstream has a patch which needs work. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: In Progress = Triaged -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I suggest Home in Places and Nautilus toolbar but it should remain user's name everywhere else. As $HOME variable maybe changed from terminal, but user folder should remain accessible otherwise as well -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
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[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: lucid-round-1 = maverick-round-1-file-management -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Red Hat something used to use username's home which worked just fine. That's my suggestion. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
The change are feasible, it would be nice if somebody from the hundredpapercut project would email the proposal to the nautilus upstream list though so they could comment on it too rather than changing strings in a distribution specific way -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) = Sebastien Bacher (seb128) -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
This should be fixed. If we can't do this work upstream, then we should figure out how to at least make it consistent in Ubuntu. Please note the priority is Low, and I have not changed it. Seb128 - please comment on the feasibility of making this happen based on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/Spec/382703 -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I doubt 'Homme' in French makes sense. Home is a house, flat, not a directory on a computer (which is inside of a home). 'Kuća' in Croatian is also very... I said it already :) By same logic: I doubt 'Home' in English makes sense. Home is a house, flat, not a directory on a computer (which is inside of a home). What people frequently forget about silly-sounding translations of English computer terms is that they are just as silly in English! Non-native English speakers have just accepted their double normal/technical meaning because they were foreign. WRT to the bug, note that: - GNOME puts a house emblem on the folder, so if you change the name, you should also change the emblem. - The filesystem has them under /home, and sooner or later may users are exposed to that. Be careful of names like User Folder lest users look for it under /usr :-) Renaming it for UI consistency risks users facing a bigger inconsistency later. (The real fix is renaming fixing FS names, like Mac OS X. But that's controversial.) -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I agree with Ferk, +1 -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
+1 for short username -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I believe that a new user to linux might not understand user name alone. I think it should be user Files, I don't think there is a translation issue, in Greek it works. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I've been using my desktop in the english language for years and even still found 'home' to be a bit off. I've noticed a lot of people mention personal folder and I must say I quite like that. Even in our dutch language, it's called Persoonlijke Map which is also personal folder. Whereas we do also have 'thuis' meaning home, the warm comforting feeling the english have with 'home'. But I don't store my files in my home. I suppose using 'home' came more from the very old '/home' from the old unix world. Making it shorter though, just Personal I do think might be a bad idea, Personal Folder is somewhat longer, but just works better imo. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
The username idea is not practical. What if you want to give instructions to teach your friend? How would you tell him to go to his home folder? - Go to Places then Mike. What if the vendor who installed the system to him chose some generic username to him? what if instead of Mike he put Michael? There won't be a consistent way to call it, how would he call it when he doesn't know that it's the home folder? he will call it Mike's folder? kinda weird. We need a generic name for the folder so that it can be referred in a generic sense without knowing the username of the specific user account. I vote for User Home, or if you don't like white spaces call it Userhome (Username is also lacking the whitespace, isn't it?). -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Ferk wrote 2 hours ago: #70 What if you want to give instructions to teach your friend? How would you tell him to go to his home folder? - Go to the folder that has your name What if the vendor who installed the system to him chose some generic username to him? what if instead of Mike he put Michael? There won't be a consistent way to call it, how would he call it when he doesn't know that it's the home folder? he will call it Mike's folder? kinda weird. - He'll call it the user's folder / the folder with the user's name on it We need a generic name for the folder so that it can be referred in a generic sense without knowing the username of the specific user account. - N (where n = username) I vote for User Home, or if you don't like white spaces call it Userhome (Username is also lacking the whitespace, isn't it?). -This doesn't translate well at all: Hogar del Usuario / Nombre del usuario. each session is a personalized experience. the person who logs in knows who he is and understands that a folder with his name on it is probably where all her or his things are. karmic solved this very well and i don't understand why it's still considered a papercut. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
augias wrote: each session is a personalized experience. the person who logs in knows who he is and understands that a folder with his name on it is probably where all her or his things are. karmic solved this very well and i don't understand why it's still considered a papercut. I'm quite sure that person will be confused by some many 'usernames' at the panel. You would have username button (with IM icon!) that shuts down machine (with IM icon, remember?), restarts machine, changes IM status, changes password, and then you would have another username button (with folder icon) which brings you to your directory, but not to your files (cause your files are in Documents, Music, Downloads, etc). 'Click your username' (it sounds stupid already) 'Ok, now I can shutdown machine' 'Oh, sorry, the other username, the one under Places' 'Ok, now I see the same folders that were under Places menu. Why didn't I just click the right folder under Places menu?' If you want to call is 'username', then put it under existing 'username' button and don't confuse user with same button title that does different things. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: round-7 = r1 -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
** Description changed: Home Folder is called Home Folder in the Places menu, Home in nautilus toolbar and by user's name everywhere else. It should use a consistent name across the whole system. + Proposed solution: use the short username everywhere. - Proposed solution: use the short username everywhere. + Design Spec: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/Spec/382703 ** Description changed: Home Folder is called Home Folder in the Places menu, Home in nautilus toolbar and by user's name everywhere else. - It should use a consistent name across the whole system. - - Proposed solution: use the short username everywhere. + It should use a consistent name across the whole system.. Design Spec: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/Spec/382703 -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Consider this: If the user even *knows* where in the filesystem their files are kept is, then they probably also know that it is different from just /home, and they probably also know that home directory is the proper name. If they don't, it takes all of 30 seconds for them to find out. So, I'd say it should show up as exactly one of the following, in order of preference: Home Directory contents of $HOME, e.g. /home/vanessa Home My Home Whatever you do, don't just use the user's first name. It pre-supposes that the user has put in a valid first name, and really, it gets confusing if the user has more than one directory related to their name. As for the amount of space an entry takes up on the screen... I'm using a 13 point font (as my vision isn't the greatest), on a 19 LCD at 1280x1024, and Home Directory still only about 4 cm wide here in this comment editor. I can't say much about the need to translate, except to say that, since you are already learning a new OS, you're eventually going to have to learn where your stuff is kept. You may as well just learn that the term for it is home directory. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I just finished reviewing the Greek translation of nautilus and I'd like to add my opinion after having spent some time dealing with the problem. It has been said a few times already, but let me stress this once again: Home (or home folder) is translated personal folder in most languages (including Spanish, French, German, and Greek). So, for most languages other than English, home is neither the shortest nor the prettiest choice. For those languages, the real choice is between the user name and a rather long two-word phrase signifying personal forder (ES: carpet personal, FR: fichier personnel, DE: Persönlicher Ordner, EL: Προσωπικός φάκελος). Personally, I would go for the username, since most people choose a username which is short and meaningful. For the record: the Greek team decided to change the phrase Username's home, which appears on desktop shortcuts, to Username. Once again, we thought that a three-word shortcut is not a pretty sight. Aside from the fact that in Greek (and Russian, I think), the possessive Username's is not a gender neutral construct, so you actually have to add both the feminine and the masculine version. Whatever happens, please do not use the possessive 's! -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I don't know if it's too late to add my own two cents -- if so, then it's free. :p When I first switched to Linux two years ago, the idea of the home directory kinda threw me as well, but then Windows Vista ran with the concept. Now, I don't have a lot of good things to say about Vista, but one thing I feel they did get right was changing the structure of its users' personal folders, so now it closely resembles how Ubuntu does it. I also like how Vista addressed the naming of this folder, to a degree. This is how I feel Ubuntu should handle the current Home Folder naming mess: From a filesystem standpoint, the users' home folders should remain named their login name. On Nautilus, in Gnome's Places menu (and other desktop managers that handle shortcuts), and anywhere else where the user's home folder is referenced in a GUI, it should be listed as the user's full first and last names, if both are available -- otherwise fall back to the user's login name. My reason for using the full name approach when available is simple: Being called by your real name is more personal. Being called by whatever screen name you've been arbitrarily assigned by your administrator (or have given yourself in order to prevent spaces in your login name) is just not as personal. To me, it seems cold and abstract. So, in summary (since I have a tendency to ramble): Home references in shell/cli: value of $USER Home references in GUI (Nautilus, Places, etc.): First Name + Last Name, if BOTH are available; otherwise fall back to value of $USER. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Right now Nautilus seems to be using my user-name for ~, while the Places menu uses Home Folder. I think for consistency's sake it would be better to mount or link to ~ under the name Home, let's say /tmp/username/Home would link to /home/username. Use /tmp/username/Home instead of /home/username as the Home folder when starting a session, and you get consistency across all applications (except any that are stupid enough to use /home/$USER instead of $HOME) AND get to call it whatever you want, regardless of what the real Home folder is called. As to what it should be called, we are trying to help new users here who aren't in on all this information. So from a support POV it would be better to call it Home, and when talking about it call it Home folder, same as Documents being discussed as Documents folder, or Places being referred to as the Places menu or Places sidebar. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I don't think it should be called Home Folder. Either Home or username in the Places menu and the nautilus toolbar is good. As long as there is a home/house emblem, there should be little chance of confusion with /home. Home is short, easy and clean. username is consistent with save/open menus in applications. I see validity in both options. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Julián Alarcón wrote: And.. how do you will translate Home, for example.. to Spanish?? Casa??? Inicio?? This don't sound good.. The best is Home Folder. in spanish home folder resive the name carpeta personal -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
+1 to username The whole Home Folder concept is daft, because to me that means /home. Although I know Home Folder is /home/*username*. If everyone turns to Windows Vista (even though I hate it so much) it has changed My Documents to *username* in the start menu and the sub-directories inside of it is Documents, Music, etc etc... You could have it *username* folder or just *username*... without having the apostrophe s ['s], that way translation isn't a problem because the name of the actual folder is *username* in the /home/*username* location. Simple (right?). :) -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Just reading some of the comments (including johnk above) I think some people are confused over what is being discussed. the convention /home/username (ie username= johns therefore home = /home/johns) isnt going anywhere. this will always be the case as every username on a Linux system must be unique therefore every folder is unique. This is the same for Windows and Mac This is just to discuss how it is refereed to in the Places menu or other locations, just the name of the Launcher effectively. Personally I think it should be a standard name such as Home. I can understand the multi-language problems but am wondering if completely different words can be used (not just a direct translations of the word Home). Sorry I don't speak any other languages so cant provide any examples, the philistine that I am. 8) The main reason I +1 to Home is support. telling someone (over the phone etc) to go to their home folder, if the home folder is called JohnS etc will confuse some people. Ive come across this when supporting Windows users when the environment was changed that every My Computer Icon was renamed to the hostname of the computer. This meant a lot of users just didn't even know where they were going and asking them to go to My Computer meant they couldn't find it. Some users were fine with it but it caused a lot of problems. really the Home Folder should be the same place relative to any user that uses an Ubuntu PC. Just like in the terminal any user can type cd ~ and they are taken Home. Although it is a different folder name (/home/username etc) obviously for every user, the user should never have to think that it is a different folder. There are some other advantages as well. Although not a common operation you might want to use a copy of a home folder generated under UserA for UserB (similar to editing the /etc/skel folder). although this can be worked around by other means (as a lot of things can in Linux) there is a chance that the username references, UserA, will remain in the now UserB profile complicating the process. anyway +1 for Home -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Home is terrible. Home directory is a concept, and home is the unixy terminology. (Remember $HOME?) Home Folder is also not good. It's hung up on the concept. The first name is a bad idea, because if you have two users named John, it'll get confusing. The full name is good, because it's likely to be unique. However, there's one level of indirection going from the name to the username. The username is very good, because there's a simple mapping from the directory to the username. Usually, the home directory is named the same as the username. username's Folder is also pretty good. The mapping is not that confusing, and there's an element of explanation there. However, anything less than a 1:1 mapping between names is generally negative. It always leaves the question of whether one name is equivalent to another name. I think username (home folder) within Nautilus could work. It's verbose, but explanatory, and the mapping between /home/username and username (home folder) is pretty close. The format also mirrors the old email convention where you'd have username (Full Name) in the To: header. Following up on the email idea, perhaps Home Folder username would be an acceptable label within Nautilus. The angle brackets denote the computer's identifier. The problem is that it looks too much like an email address. Personally, I prefer the short username. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
This could be useful. I was pretty confused when I first used Linux (Ubuntu). Really, it should be the username all across, not home -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
+1 for short username -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I don't know if it is too late for this, but I'd like to register this anyway: +1 for short username! -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I don't know if it is too late for this, but I'd like to register it anyway: +1 for short username! -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: round-1 = round-7 -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
@Kenden Ineed we have :-) We recommend using the short username. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
** Description changed: Home Folder is called Home Folder in the Places menu, Home in nautilus toolbar and by user's name everywhere else. It should use a consistent name across the whole system. + + + Proposed solution: use the short username everywhere. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Is it worth using the Ubuntu Brainstorm website as a method of polling users to get an idea of what most people would want? Or would you prefer to make the decision internally to this discussion? -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
To make the lists of suggesstions even longer: * I don't really like spaces in filenames when they can be avoided. Home Folderwhy? * why not just the user's name (login name)? Apple does it in MacOS Xand nobody has to translate a thing (internally we refer to it with $HOME or ~ anyway) So, Ivanka: +1 on the short username! -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Christian Kujau wrote: So, Ivanka: +1 on the short username! I also prefer this solution, glad to hear it is the one being considered. The user is very likely to understand and recognize their own username and it doesn't need to be translated. Plus it will be consistent with the actual directory structure of /home/username! -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just a test... Michael Rooney a écrit : On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Christian Kujau wrote: So, Ivanka: +1 on the short username! I also prefer this solution, glad to hear it is the one being considered. The user is very likely to understand and recognize their own username and it doesn't need to be translated. Plus it will be consistent with the actual directory structure of /home/username! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpD4aQACgkQKPYCdhn2v2wjBQCghMQSdFKZLq24Wa+B3y5QLNJj sqUAnA32f14BwG5IjOoaVxhuBbFkeOAg =M8Ue -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
And what about Username's Data ? This is easy to translate, there is no way to think it is the /home folder, and it's relatively consistent with the /home/username folder... -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
virkang wrote:
And what about Username's Data ? This is easy to translate
Regarding translation, 's is common only in English, if I'm not
mistaken? Other languages are more complicated than that - they have
genders.
As for Slavic languages, I guess they'll just ignore English perception
and translate it as 'Personal folder' or something like that (or in
worst case just 'Username'). Cause, if user is female it would be
'Ivankini podaci' (Ivanka) and if it's male, it would be 'Petrovi
podaci' (Petar) - no, even 'Data of ${username}' isn't unique for both
genders. In my language it's almost impossible to translate
${username}'s and we always look how to avoid it.
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[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Just to add my comments to the din- I think Foldername, User's Folder, and then Home would be my preference in order. I think adding folder is redundant and not needed. As already stated, there is a folder icon already notifying the user that this is, in fact, a folder. I think using Foldername is the best, since the bookmark name and the folder in question will have the same name. Where we can control the shortcut's name, simply using an upper-case letter is an easy thing to do. In applications we don't modify, the folder still has the same name without the capitol letter. This gives consistency within any app that allows the user to brows the /home folder for their particular repository of data. This also avoids using inconsistent translations between languages, since it is clear that Home would not be used in all languages. Using User's Folder is impractical, as many applications that offer a file browser will not use the default Gnome browser. Several apps within the repository simply default to the /home or /home/username folder. Again, the above plan would appear consistent to newer users. User's Folder would simply fall down in this scenario. Using Home or Home Folder to me is not really an option. The directory /home already exists in the LSB specs, and referring to any other folder by that name is a bit confusing to a new user that is exploring. In addition, there are the previously mentioned translation issues and the lack of bookmarks in every file browser dialog for every windowing kit. Just my two cents. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
My vote goes for Username. Period. It's simple, logical, no translation problems, no conflict with /home directory, simple to explain, and fun. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Just call it My Files or My Data. The latter may sound too technical. That is what you are looking for. That is the root directory of where all your personal data is stored. There is nothing else there but files. My is a much shorter word for Personal. Personal is also more vague although everybody knows what personal means. Home has a lot of issues with translations and it does sound more like really home as in the beginning. To my feeling, a synonym for Home is Top in this case. It also feels more like how Home is used in a browser. A very broad term to say starting point. My Files if it was up to me :) Easily translated and it really captures what you can find in your personal home directory... files! -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Bungaman wrote: My Files +1 from me :) -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Even Microsoft changed My Music, My Document, My Pictures into Documents, Music, etc in the last versions of Windows, because that was patronizing to the user. I am sure the design team has received enough suggestions now to make decisions now. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I like the generic approach. The user's first name, properly capitalized, is a pretty good solution, as it's not misleading nor cryptic. No unfamiliar terms whatsoever, and if their name is there, then it must be their area. It's kind of intuitive. It's also a nice bridge between the Windows world - in Windows Vista and later the the start menu reference for /Users/username is the user's first name, and My Documents, My Images, My Music, etc, are all subfolders inside it. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Username's Home seems a sane choice... It doesnt get away from the present labels and it is an appropriate label since it is actually the user's home directory... :) -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Hi, what I hate about name Home or Home folder is that new users are asking which folder is it. Is it /home/user or /home? /home is also home folder, but it is not Home folder. I suggest to remove Home and variants in the first place. Regards -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Assignee: Ivanka Majic (ivanka) = (unassigned) -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I agree with grofaty. The folder we are talking about *is called* /home/username. We could refer to it as Username's Home. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
This is filed against hundredpapercuts, however it's not clear from the discussion what the design decision is. That should probably be done before this is accepted as a papercut. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
@Alex French If such a generic name is no longer defined, references to it in discussion will be inconsistent. Do you really think so ? Imagine we're on phone. If I want to tell you to go to /home/alex (e.g.), I just have to tell you Open the Places menu, and select your folder. If there's an item called Alex's documents, it will be fine... Another generic alternative, which would make sense, would be to go for a... Windows cloning : My documents. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Home Folder is not redundant, because Home is a *concept*, not the actual name of the directory. Home is the directory /home. So, the discussion here should be limited to the following: Which is better? 1) Using a generic reference to a specific location (Home Folder means /home/user) pros: The name is generic. If someone needs to refer to your home directory, they can say Home Folder, and it means the same thing no matter what your username is. cons: The way the directory is referred to in Places is inconsistent with the other directories found there. 2) Using the location's proper name (Alex means /home/alex) pros: consistent with other items in the Places menu cons: A generic way to refer to that folder is still necessary. If such a generic name is no longer defined, references to it in discussion will be inconsistent. I vote for the generic solution, but I don't care a whole lot either way, as long as it's consistent and makes sense. It's all bikeshed anyway... -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Following up on what Dana mentions, I suggest we use the user's first name, which can be determined from user information in About Me if it is provided, or by taking the first word in the long username. Examples: User A: Full name is Johnny Appleseed, username is haxxor, directory is /home/johnny, label is Johnny. User B: Full name is Jamshed Kakkar, username is jkakkar, directory is /home/jkakkar, label is Jamshed. User B: Full name is Sarah Ann Leonard, username is saleonard09, directory is /home/saleonard09, label is Sarah. If the user adds his/her first name information in About Me, we would update the labels to use the user's preferred name. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Would it not be better to make use the user's first name by default? And allow it to be modified in About Me as an option. Besides, most users aren't going to modify it unless it bothers them. The use of the word Folder is a bit redundant because there is already a very descriptive folder icon. (also the home emblem on the icon will give more clues that its the home directory) -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Triaged = In Progress ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Assignee: (unassigned) = Ivanka Majic (ivanka) -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
'Home' in english is best solution, for other languages it is not bad translate home, but also a user name is good alternative. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
...Your Home ? -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: None = round-1 -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I have an interesting idea for home folder name: compare the short username to the first-name in About Me, and if it maches (besides case), then display the name with capitalization as in About Me. For example, I have my username as dana (lowercase), and we could display the folder name as Dana. Here's what I see right now: Gnome Places menu: Home Folder Icon on desktop (if gconf key set to show it): dana's Home -- this might be good, if we fix the capitalization. Also, I have had desktop_as_home_dir set until just now, so the following may not match the out-of-box configuration: Location bar in nautilus: /home/dana Sidebar in nautilus: (not present) -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
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[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
User Home would be a good compromise. Although I think Home by itself is better. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
IMHO, the issue is that users both use shortcuts from the menu, and have to browse the filesystem. If we use Home as a shortcut label in the menu, they may think that browsing to /home using Nautilus will lead them to the same place as the Home shortcut - usability issue. BTW, making a bridge between Windows approach and Ubuntu/Gnome one may be a good idea, to make new Ubuntu users' life easier : the My documents concept is very well known and understood. The only way to addresse both of these issues (help users to make a link between the menu shortcut and their filesystem ~ directory + be wording-compatible with Windows) , is to use both the username and documents term in the shortcut label. This would give Yann's documents, for example. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
IMHO, the issue is that users both use shortcuts from the menu, and have to browse the filesystem. If we use Home as a shortcut label in the menu, they may think that browsing to /home using Nautilus will lead them to the same place as the Home shortcut - usability issue. BTW, making a bridge between Windows approach and Ubuntu/Gnome one may be a good idea, to make new Ubuntu users' life easier : the My documents concept is very well known and understood. The only way to addresse both of these issues (help users to make a link between the menu shortcut and their filesystem ~ directory + be wording-compatible with Windows) , is to use both the username and documents term in the shortcut label. This would give Yann's documents, for example. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
In Croatian we translated Home folder as Personal folder. 'Home anything' just sounds plain stupid when translated in Croatian. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
The same translation (Personal folder) is used in French. Same remark as Ante, Home is not relevant in French. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Given no other bookmarks under Places have 'folder' appended to them, why should 'home' ? If I'm articulating to someone how to find their home folder or answer the question Where's my stuff?, then saying Click places, then home sounds logical and succinct. By clicking 'Places' I'm saying I want to 'go to a place', and that 'place' might well be home. Makes sense in my head anyway. :) If we _did_ add 'folder' to home then by extension surely all the bookmarks under Places should also get the added suffix. That would bloat the places menu width-wise and look very messy. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Alan Pope wrote: Given no other bookmarks under Places have 'folder' appended to them, why should 'home' ? If I'm articulating to someone how to find their home folder or answer the question Where's my stuff?, then saying Click places, then home sounds logical and succinct. This applies to the English localizations nicely, what about languages in which home doesn't translate well? Mat -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Ante Karamatić wrote: I doubt 'Homme' in French *blush* *blush* Maison :) -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Alan Pope wrote: Given no other bookmarks under Places have 'folder' appended to them, why should 'home' ? I understand your logic and ti does make sense... in English :) I doubt 'Homme' in French makes sense. Home is a house, flat, not a directory on a computer (which is inside of a home). 'Kuća' in Croatian is also very... I said it already :) There's also Spanish. Casa? And if you think for a second, it's not that smart in English too. It's just that we got used to it calling it home. In you example, 'Where's my stuff?', you could easily say 'Click Places, then click My-Super-Cool-Folder' and it would still have the same effect as calling it Home/Flat/World. That's cause you didn't answer to the question, you explained the steps to the solution. Real world answers would be: 'In your home folder/directory.' 'In your home.' 'In your personal folder/directory.' Which one of those sounds most reasonable? -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Mat Tomaszewski wrote: This applies to the English localizations nicely, what about languages in which home doesn't translate well? Right. Big difference is that 'Home', actually, can't be translated in most of the languages. Home, in English, represents 'warm environment where you sleep and eat, where's your family, etc...'. Where Casa, Maison, Haus, Kuća are buildings. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Home can't be translated so there are only 2 options: - use personal folder - let the translator translate home into home if in the target language the translation doesn't seem ok, like in Italy we do for mouse -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
It's ridiculous that people are complaining over how the word Home doesn't sound right when translated into other languages. Home sounds perfectly all right in English, that's a good reason for calling it Home in the English version- that in no way forces translators to make exact translations of home into their respective languages! In Icelandic Heimamappa (Home folder) would sound better so I would personally stick to that translation even though the English string would be changed to 'Donkey'- get my point? The whole point of being a good translator is NOT to translate verbatim but to translate so it the translations fits and sounds good in the other language. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
I think you are are right -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Though it sounds a little goofy to experienced users, I think it would be easier for new users to understand Home Folder as opposed to just Home. If I'm helping a friend, I'm going to say go to Music in your Home Folder. Using Home Folder tells the user that it is the folder they should be putting all of their files in. While Home is close to that, Home is also used too often for a main screen or menu system for devices and interfaces, as opposed to a location for storing files. Home Folder would be more descriptive and easier to understand. Like it or not, that's why My Documents has persisted for so long; it tells the user exactly what that location is for. Anyway, just my 2 cents. I do think the naming should be more consistent either way though. -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 382703] Re: Home Folder has 3 different names
Whilst I find 'Home' the cleanest way to say it (in English anyway), it's not entirely accurate. The directory it takes you to is not '/home' it's '/home/username' The name for this folder via command line is 'username', so for consistency (and accuracy) I feel it's best to keep it the same for the GUI - as it already is in one of the three locations in question - this would also solve the translation problem :) -- Home Folder has 3 different names https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/382703 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
