[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Hello again, I will (if it is OK with the mass consensus, don't want to upset the group!) rename all wastebasket, deleted items etc to "Rubbish Bin" tomorrow (I guess it is tomorrow (I need sleep!)) or Monday on the Nautilus package even if its just a "it will do for now" fix? Michael -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
** Also affects: nautilus Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: nautilus Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators (ubuntu-l10n-en-gb) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Hey all! I feel happy with "(the) rubbish bin". I have a small confesion.. about an hour ago changed all the wastebasket entries in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/nautilus/+pots/nautilus/en_GB/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=wastebasket that were using the term wastebasket to the term "Deleted Items (Folder)" before I saw this bug (sorry :( ). I noticed the bug in 10.04 and stupidly forgot to search the bugs!! Michael -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
** Changed in: gnome-common Status: Unknown => Incomplete -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
** Also affects: ubuntu-translations Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: New => Triaged ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Importance: Undecided => Medium ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators (ubuntu-l10n-en-gb) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 14:05 +, David Planella wrote: > If we all agree in the terminology though, and a) the change cannot be > adopted upstream for GNOME 2.32 due to lack of time; b) there are people > in Ubuntu willing to work on this, I'd can see no trouble in adopting a > pragmatic approach and do the change in Ubuntu first. The same Ubuntu > translators might then want to help forwarding these changes upstream. > I'm not a member of the UK team, I'd like to see this sorted as much as > anyone else, and being both an Ubuntu and GNOME translator, I'd be glad > to offer my help in exporting the changes from Ubuntu and commiting them > in git. The en_GB translations haven't actually started yet for GNOME 2.32, so there would be no problem with getting this done, as long as the other members of the team agreed of course. > > The thing that irks me is that Ubuntu decide to do translation solely > for themselves, but that's a different matter. > > Yes, I'd suggest discussing this as a separate topic, and I think the > Ubuntu Translators maililng list > (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact/) would be the best place > for that. You can also find more information on Ubuntu and upstream > translations here: No point in discussing this, sorry I mentioned it. -- Bruce Cowan -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Hi Bruce, > Yet again we at upstream were not consulted at all. Thanks for putting yet another nail in the coffin of upstream collaboration. I believe the best way to achieve collaboration is communication. As a representative of upstream, you've been participating in this discussion all along, so I'd say we've all done a good job. Phil (who incidentally is also upstream, albeit for gnome docs) has taken the lead in processing the feedback and proposing a way forward for an issue that has been in the stage of discussion and blocking the work of several teams for the past year. You were saying that if anything was decided you could probably get this fixed for GNOME 2.32. That's precisely what's happened, a final proposal has been put forward, no translations have yet been changed in Ubuntu as far as I know. If we all agree in the terminology though, and a) the change cannot be adopted upstream for GNOME 2.32 due to lack of time; b) there are people in Ubuntu willing to work on this, I'd can see no trouble in adopting a pragmatic approach and do the change in Ubuntu first. The same Ubuntu translators might then want to help forwarding these changes upstream. I'm not a member of the UK team, I'd like to see this sorted as much as anyone else, and being both an Ubuntu and GNOME translator, I'd be glad to offer my help in exporting the changes from Ubuntu and commiting them in git. > The thing that irks me is that Ubuntu decide to do translation solely for themselves, but that's a different matter. Yes, I'd suggest discussing this as a separate topic, and I think the Ubuntu Translators maililng list (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact/) would be the best place for that. You can also find more information on Ubuntu and upstream translations here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Bin is great for me, I am from finland and it sounds good for me, I am speaking brittish and us english. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I don't feel I have the authority to change the terminology without asking at least the other members of the team. I attempted to send a message to the gnome-uk list yesterday, but for some reason it doesn't appear to have worked. I'll try again soon. The thing that irks me is that Ubuntu decide to do translation solely for themselves, but that's a different matter. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Hi Bruce, Earlier, you said "I'll see if I can get this done for GNOME 2.32, but I don't promise anything." Thanks, but this is no good. You know exactly what will happen: people will discuss the issue endlessly and no-one will ever make a final decision. My top priority is sorting out the consistency issue because it's confusing for users, and that requires a decision to be made as soon as possible. You, as an upstream, can decide on the approved terminology *now* and we'll just adopt whatever you say. The important thing is that a decision is made. (For what it's worth, upstream collaboration is very much alive. To see this, you should all join the docs team!) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Yet again we at upstream were not consulted at all. Thanks for putting yet another nail in the coffin of upstream collaboration. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Hi folks, This bug devolved into bikeshedding long ago. Consistency is the most important consideration here, not the actual term that's used. It's important that we make a choice and stick to it, ASAP. So, I'm sure that alternative choices like "bin" would be just as good, and I'm sure everyone has a wonderful justification for why their favourite term should be used, but a decision has been made, and the approved term in Ubuntu is now "Rubbish Bin". This term is clearly recognizable to British English speakers (comment #64, thanks for working on this Alan), and if you're really searching for justification then the addition of the word "rubbish" should clarify the meaning of the term to non- British-English speakers (notably, tech support workers). *** Final decision: "Rubbish Bin". *** -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Does anyone know how I can unsubscribe from this group? Gary dgar...@yahoo.com = --- On Wed, 8/25/10, cwarner7_11 wrote: > From: cwarner7_11 > Subject: RE: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in > en_GB localization > To: dgar...@yahoo.com > Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:35 PM > > The only problem I have with "bin" is that also happens to > be the name of the folder in Unix/Linux where all your > commands are stored...DO NOT empty this "bin" or your system > will lock up! > > Charlie > > > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:26:15 + > > From: kaz...@gmail.com > > To: cwarner7...@hotmail.com > > Subject: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder > inconsistently named in en_GB > localization > > > > Please, just go with "Bin". The majority of native > speakers in this > > thread seem happy with it. Either go with "Bin" or do > a survey (but I'm > > almost positive the outcome of such a survey would be > "Bin"). > > > > Gmail uses "Bin", and even Microsoft calls it the > Recycle "Bin" in > > Windows. Bin is the common GB term, let's just go with > that and be done > > with it. > > > > -- > > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB > localization > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > > You received this bug notification because you are a > member of Ubuntu > > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > > > Bug description: > > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and > is referred to as both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu > offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but the window is headed > Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// in > nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of > this can be seen in #115661 also. > > > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple > enough fix simply changing strings, so I believe it is a > papercut. > > > > - > > from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now > "Rubbish Bin"! > > - > > > > > > > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB > localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member > of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is > referred to as both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu > offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but the window is headed > Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// in > nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of > this can be seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple > enough fix simply changing strings, so I believe it is a > papercut. > > - > from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now "Rubbish > Bin"! > - > > > > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
The only problem I have with "bin" is that also happens to be the name of the folder in Unix/Linux where all your commands are stored...DO NOT empty this "bin" or your system will lock up! Charlie > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:26:15 + > From: kaz...@gmail.com > To: cwarner7...@hotmail.com > Subject: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB > localization > > Please, just go with "Bin". The majority of native speakers in this > thread seem happy with it. Either go with "Bin" or do a survey (but I'm > almost positive the outcome of such a survey would be "Bin"). > > Gmail uses "Bin", and even Microsoft calls it the Recycle "Bin" in > Windows. Bin is the common GB term, let's just go with that and be done > with it. > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but the > window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// in > nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be seen > in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now "Rubbish Bin"! > - > > > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I've sent a message to the gnome-uk list asking on thoughts about "bin". I'll see if I can get this done for GNOME 2.32, but I don't promise anything. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Phil asked if I could conduct a survey which I haven't formally done. However I have taken the opportunity to pester just about everyone I know in the real world and ask them a simple question or two. "what's that?" (whilst pointing at a refuse container on the floor ;) ) . I also asked what was the stuff called that you put in it. Without fail every single person either said "bin", "rubbish" or "rubbish bin". Nobody said "trash" or "recycle bin". I even asked/annoyed/canvassed random strangers on the bus and in the lift at work. Whilst anecdotal and unscientific I am sure that a larger scale survey of British English speakers would yield similar results. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Please, just go with "Bin". The majority of native speakers in this thread seem happy with it. Either go with "Bin" or do a survey (but I'm almost positive the outcome of such a survey would be "Bin"). Gmail uses "Bin", and even Microsoft calls it the Recycle "Bin" in Windows. Bin is the common GB term, let's just go with that and be done with it. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
.bin extensions should be fine. I don't know relevant here but what about /bin? I wouldn't want any newbie to do a rm * -r -f /bin thinking he was clearing the waste. -- Alex http://archeleus.com/blog On 25 August 2010 21:57, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: > About the ".bin" confusion: > No normal user should ever come upon a .bin file (or file extensions at all > but that’s a different story). Everyone that works with .bin files knows the > difference. So, where is the confusion? > > @unforeseen: Compare how often .bin files come up in support cases vs. > how often the word "Bin" is used on any interface to resemble a place > for deleted files. > > If anything, the extension should be changed. But that’s not the point > here. (Although it was quite funny seeing .bin files translated > literally in the German version of the movie Hackers.) > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Opinion > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
We have the Doc team verdict! Can the Translations team get this fixed for Maverick ? ** Description changed: The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be seen in #115661 also. This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. - - Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: - "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", "wastebin", or "wastebasket". + from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now "Rubbish Bin"! - - (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in comment #8.) ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Opinion => Triaged -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I completely agree with you. I was just playing devil's advocate :) Can we agree on Bin then? yes? On 25 August 2010 14:57, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: > About the ".bin" confusion: > No normal user should ever come upon a .bin file (or file extensions at all > but that’s a different story). Everyone that works with .bin files knows the > difference. So, where is the confusion? > > @unforeseen: Compare how often .bin files come up in support cases vs. > how often the word "Bin" is used on any interface to resemble a place > for deleted files. > > If anything, the extension should be changed. But that’s not the point > here. (Although it was quite funny seeing .bin files translated > literally in the German version of the movie Hackers.) > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Opinion > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-common/+bug/406626/+subscribe > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
About the ".bin" confusion: No normal user should ever come upon a .bin file (or file extensions at all but that’s a different story). Everyone that works with .bin files knows the difference. So, where is the confusion? @unforeseen: Compare how often .bin files come up in support cases vs. how often the word "Bin" is used on any interface to resemble a place for deleted files. If anything, the extension should be changed. But that’s not the point here. (Although it was quite funny seeing .bin files translated literally in the German version of the movie Hackers.) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Trash is American usage. What gmail uses is dependant on your English setting and here we are talking about GB. I am in support of Mr Borchardt who said that " bin" is too long. Just bin would be fine if you don't mind the .bin extension. -- Alex Blog : http://archeleus.com/blog On 25 August 2010 20:48, Cody C <406...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > On 26/08/2010 12:01 a.m., Kazade wrote: > > I think most native speakers are happy with either "Bin" or "Rubbish > > Bin". I'd personally prefer "Bin" (as I wouldn't really refer to deleted > > files "rubbish") but "Rubbish Bin" is fine if we are going with the > > waste container metaphor. As mentioned above, gmail uses "Bin" and that > > seems very natural. > > > Actually, I think gMail uses "Trash", not "Bin". > Also, in my opinion, Trash sounds better. > > --cody > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Opinion > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Just for confirmation, I've attached a screenshot of Gmail in UK English ** Attachment added: "gmail.png" https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/406626/+attachment/1517823/+files/gmail.png -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
On 25 August 2010 13:48, Cody C <406...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Actually, I think gMail uses "Trash", not "Bin". Not when configured to use UK English, which is what we are talking about here. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Its bin on mine On 25 August 2010 13:48, Cody C <406...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > On 26/08/2010 12:01 a.m., Kazade wrote: > > I think most native speakers are happy with either "Bin" or "Rubbish > > Bin". I'd personally prefer "Bin" (as I wouldn't really refer to deleted > > files "rubbish") but "Rubbish Bin" is fine if we are going with the > > waste container metaphor. As mentioned above, gmail uses "Bin" and that > > seems very natural. > > > Actually, I think gMail uses "Trash", not "Bin". > Also, in my opinion, Trash sounds better. > > --cody > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Opinion > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > > -- Simon Bennie Mchem Ph.D student Theoretical chemistry group School of Chemistry The University of Manchester M13 9PL This email was sent using Ubuntu -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
On 26/08/2010 12:01 a.m., Kazade wrote: > I think most native speakers are happy with either "Bin" or "Rubbish > Bin". I'd personally prefer "Bin" (as I wouldn't really refer to deleted > files "rubbish") but "Rubbish Bin" is fine if we are going with the > waste container metaphor. As mentioned above, gmail uses "Bin" and that > seems very natural. > Actually, I think gMail uses "Trash", not "Bin". Also, in my opinion, Trash sounds better. --cody -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I think most native speakers are happy with either "Bin" or "Rubbish Bin". I'd personally prefer "Bin" (as I wouldn't really refer to deleted files "rubbish") but "Rubbish Bin" is fine if we are going with the waste container metaphor. As mentioned above, gmail uses "Bin" and that seems very natural. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Google Mail calls it "Bin", short and simple. If that wouldn’t suit most users, they would certainly choose another term. "Rubbish Bin" or any other variation of "[word] Bin" seems too long and specific. Disclaimer: I’m not a native speaker. Just believing that design can (and should) be measured http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/05/10/measuring-the-user-interface/ -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Personally, rubbish bin seems a little raw. But I suppose I could see what gnome-uk thinks. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I think the problem is that no-one feels that they have the authority to make a final decision. A survey would choose for us, but I agree that it's a lot of messing around for little gain. This bug is 44 comments long already. I say that we decide on "rubbish bin" and just leave it at that. This term is clear and unambiguous, and is in common, modern British usage. I'm marking this bug as fixed from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now "Rubbish Bin". Dissent at your peril! ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Triaged => Opinion -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I new here,can anyone help me to know what is going on? -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
and could somebody please change the title of this from 'localization' to 'localisation' :D -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Please forgive my bluntness, I think a survey would be an unnecessary act. It's a simple fact that in the UK, people will refer to it as the "bin", "dustbin", "rubbish bin" or for something to be recycled "recycle bin" or "[put it in the] recycling" which is less common. In reply to Matthew Paul Thomas, it should be up to the Ubuntu users and potential users in the UK to chose what they refer to things as not those from New Zealand as any changes are unlikely to affect them. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Hi Popey, Would you mind organising a survey? It would probably be best to ask a simple, non-leading question, e.g. "What [do|would] you call the place where files go when you delete them?" Non-technical users would be more valuable participants because they're the ones most likely to be affected by a poor choice of terminology. This makes me think that an in-person (rather than web-based) survey would be necessary. We don't need good statistics on this; 15-20 participants would probably be plenty to inform the decision. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. I can ask a few people myself. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Ryan, Thanks for the clarification. I have launchpad set up, and I think everything is good to go. How can I help with this bug? - Bryant On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Ryan Hoover <406...@bugs.launchpad.net>wrote: > Bryant, > > It was sent to the Docs team in general -- not you specifically. I'm new > also and was just as confused when I first got the email :) > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Bryant Lippert > wrote: > > > Vish, > > > > I'm new to the Ubuntu Docs group. I was just assigned this new task with > > you > > guys, but I'm not sure how to get this started, or where to log in. I was > > trying to find someone under the Ubuntu mentoring program. Any > information > > you could off I would appreciate! > > > > - Bryant > > > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Vish wrote: > > > > > @Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a > > > decision on this bug. > > > But haven't heard back from him yet. > > > > > > There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get > this > > > fixed for Maverick :-) > > > > > > Assigning to docs team as per Phil's suggestion > > > > > > ** Changed in: ubuntu > > > Importance: Undecided => Low > > > > > > -- > > > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > > > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > > > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > > > > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > > > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > > > > > Bug description: > > > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as > > both > > > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' > but > > > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also > > trash:/// > > > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this > can > > be > > > seen in #115661 also. > > > > > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix > simply > > > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > > > > > - > > > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > > > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > > > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > > > - > > > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards > > and > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > > > comment #8.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > > > Bug description: > > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as > both > > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also > trash:/// > > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can > be > > seen in #115661 also. > > > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > > > - > > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > > - > > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards > and > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > > comment #8.) > > > > > > > > > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > > -- Deleted
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Bryant, It was sent to the Docs team in general -- not you specifically. I'm new also and was just as confused when I first got the email :) On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Bryant Lippert wrote: > Vish, > > I'm new to the Ubuntu Docs group. I was just assigned this new task with > you > guys, but I'm not sure how to get this started, or where to log in. I was > trying to find someone under the Ubuntu mentoring program. Any information > you could off I would appreciate! > > - Bryant > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Vish wrote: > > > @Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a > > decision on this bug. > > But haven't heard back from him yet. > > > > There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get this > > fixed for Maverick :-) > > > > Assigning to docs team as per Phil's suggestion > > > > ** Changed in: ubuntu > > Importance: Undecided => Low > > > > -- > > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > > > Bug description: > > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as > both > > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also > trash:/// > > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can > be > > seen in #115661 also. > > > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > > > - > > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > > - > > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards > and > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > > comment #8.) > > > > > > > > > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Vish, I'm new to the Ubuntu Docs group. I was just assigned this new task with you guys, but I'm not sure how to get this started, or where to log in. I was trying to find someone under the Ubuntu mentoring program. Any information you could off I would appreciate! - Bryant On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Vish wrote: > @Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a > decision on this bug. > But haven't heard back from him yet. > > There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get this > fixed for Maverick :-) > > Assigning to docs team as per Phil's suggestion > > ** Changed in: ubuntu > Importance: Undecided => Low > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
If anything was decided, I could probably get this fixed for GNOME 2.32. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
@Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a decision on this bug. But haven't heard back from him yet. There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get this fixed for Maverick :-) Assigning to docs team as per Phil's suggestion ** Changed in: ubuntu Importance: Undecided => Low -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
@Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a decision on this bug. But havent heard back from him yet. There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get this fixed for Maverick :-) Assigning to docs team as per Phil's suggestion -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
@Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a decision on this bug. But havent heard back from him yet. There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get this fixed for Maverick :-) Assigning to docs team as per Phil's suggestion ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Documentation Project Team (ubuntu-doc) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I think the general consensus among native British English speakers in this report is that "bin" or "rubbish bin" are suitable terms. e.g. "Move to the rubbish bin", "Empty the rubbish bin" etc. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I'd be happy top help organise such a survey (also a brit). -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Can I push for a decision on this ASAP, please? Not having a consistent naming convention causes problems for people doing user assistance (docs etc.), and this discussion has gone on for far too long. A native British English speaker should make the decision; having a non-native speaker decide (US English or otherwise) is inappropriate. If no-one is prepared to make a decision, feel free to assign this to the docs team and we can survey some users (I'm British, so I'd probably do it). -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
** Description changed: - The delted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as + The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be seen in #115661 also. This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. - Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", "wastebin", or "wastebasket". + - + (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in comment #8.) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Trash is a term very rarely used within the United Kingdom. It is very common to called the items themselves "rubbish" in such a phrase as "this can belongs in the rubbish". In reference to the folder however, as wikipedia[0] points out, in place of trashcan the British normally use the term rubbish bin or more accurately just "bin" colloquially. It is much more accurate to call the wastebasket the rubbish bin in regards to British English translations. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_words_not_widely_used_in_the_United_Kingdom#T -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
You could say that the assertion that Trash is used in Britain is utter rubbish. Sorry. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Please change the description back. It's simply not true that the word 'trash' is in common use in UK English for this context. It is a term from American English and is just not appropriate in a GB translation. I think that most people would agree that the OED is a reliable source of information on this. So I quote from: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0878770#m_en_gb0878770 * 1 chiefly North American waste material; refuse * cultural items, ideas, or objects of poor quality:if they read at all, they read trash * 2 North American a person or people regarded as being of very low social standing:clubs patronized by rock trash In both contexts it is referenced as North American. The correct UK term is almost certainly Rubbish. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
** Description changed: The delted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be seen in #115661 also. This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. + + - + Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: + "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", "wastebin", or "wastebasket". -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
** Summary changed: - Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named + Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
