Ubuntu and ext4 file system
When is Ubuntu going to support ext4 file system? Will it make it into Feisty Fawn final build? Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 41
> > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:54:25 +0100 > From: Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Ubuntu and ext4 file system > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 08:06:05PM +1000, Chris Jones wrote: > > When is Ubuntu going to support ext4 file system? > > When it's not likely to corrupt your files (ie, when it's no longer > flagged as EXPERIMENTAL) - to the best of my knowledge, there's still no > guarantee that the ext4 on-disk format is stable, so formatting a drive > as ext4 now may require you to back up and restore for later kernels. > > > Will it make it into Feisty Fawn final build? > > No. > > -- > Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thanks for the reply Matthew. As far as I'm aware, ext4 was finalized on November 2006. Will it be implemented in Feisty at a later date perhaps? Or the next major release in 6 months time? Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Introduction and Lexmark Printer Driver
Hi Tim. Welcome to the Ubuntu Development Mailing List. I used to have a Lexmark printer and found that Lexmark has great lack of support for Linux drivers for their products. I am glad to here that somebody (such as yourself) is willing to give it a shot of developing a driver for the Linux platform. Not that I can help you, but I wanted to say 'Welcome' and 'Good Luck'. Please keep us informed on your progress. Chris Jones > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:30:23 -0400 > From: tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Introduction and Lexmark Printer Driver > To: Ubuntu Dev > Message-ID: <200705171130.23711.> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Everyone, > > I am new to this list and would like to introduce myself. My name is Timothy > Armstrong and I have been a software developer for about 10 years now. I > mainly develop in Delphi/Pascal but have knowledge in other areas as well. My > linux experience is quite a bit less, I have been running Ubuntu/Kubuntu for > almost a year now and run it on a server at my office and my family's home > computer. > > I would like to start helping the ubuntu community by working on a project > that is causing myself some problems. My Lexmark X6170 does not work with > Linux and I would like to help develop a driver using the kit provided by > Lexmark. Is anyone currently working on this and if so, how can I help? > > Thanks for having me and I look forward to working with you all. > > Tim (IRC: Timmay) > > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
ReadyBoost Technology for Ubuntu and Linux
I am rather impressed with the ReadyBoost technology that has been implemented into Windows Vista. And providing you get an appropriate and compatible memory stick to make good use of the technology, it actually works. Are there currently any plans to develop a similar technology for Linux? Or to be more specific, Ubuntu? -- Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Reading a reiserfs partition in Ubuntu?
If I have another partition on my Ubuntu drive which is in reiserfs format, how do I read the reiserfs partition contents within Ubuntu? -- Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: recovery CD?
I too have wanted to get a hold of such a disc since I've been using Ubuntu as I think it would be quite handy for many purposes. And in some cases, save a lot of time on recovering a system. Chris Jones > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:20:35 +0200 > From: "Mihamina (R12y) Rakotomandimby" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: recovery CD? > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss Dev > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi, > > I made a fresh install on a laptop I am going to give to a dummy (on > computer) person. > I would like to know if there is some way to create a recovery CD of the > installation. > I installed some restricted drivers and that person would be unable to > do so. Especially after a disaster. > I would like a DVD or CD that the person will boot on and suggest a > format+the same installation as the one I made (same modules loaded, > same restricted drivers loaded, same initial username/pass, same > configuration of compiz...). > > If you have any hint... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Patent issues with automatic codec installation
- > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:35:30 +1300 > From: "Aaron Whitehouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Patent issues with automatic codec installation (was: > Automatic installation of DVD CSS support) > To: "Christofer C. Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > I would like to draw attention to a proposal that I think is very > > > important for Ubuntu as a desktop deistribution: the possibility of > > > automatically enabling CSS decryption support for DVDs, like it is already > > > possible to retrieve support for certain audio/video endcodings > > > automatically. > > > Please read the comments in the bug you linked to for explanation as > > to why this will not happen. > > As the comments in the bug state, the reason DeCSS is not included is > (I imagine) to avoid violating the DMCA. > > The more that I think about the automatic codec installation of > Ubuntu, the more that I am concerned that the current approach places > the distribution in murky legal territory. Allowing (encouraging?) a > user to install patent-violating codecs may not infringe the DMCA or > copyright, but it still may not be the best idea. Think of Napster > being sued for allowing others to infringe copyright. > > A large number of people respond to this by saying that they live in > Europe and that their country does not enforce software-only patents. > That doesn't matter much, considering that a patent-holder would bring > any proceedings in countries that did enforce their patents. > > Fedora handles the situation with > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureCodecBuddy - which > allows users to purchase non-infringing codecs from Fluendo. > http://www.fluendo.com/press/releases/PR-2007-01.html > > Perhaps a good compromise would be to default to Codec Buddy and have > a button for "Multiverse Codecs". When the user clicks the button, > they could be presented with a message *actively discouraging* them > from using the multiverse versions and highlighting that they are > likely to break the law if they do so. > > In an attempt to disarm critics, I ask you to read: > http://www.linux.com/articles/59830 > "On the patent question, Fluendo's official stance is that it opposes > software patents, but that in areas where they are the law, it has no > choice but to obey the statutes. Perhaps more importantly, customers > have no choice either. Some critics of Fluendo's plugin products are > quick to point out that there are freely available, often GPLed > libraries that decode the same formats. That is, however, irrelevant: > the non-free formats are non-free not because of the license on the > source code, but because of the patents on the format. > > Wherever possible, Fluendo encourages its customers to use patent-free > formats. "In GStreamer we try to make sure Ogg and Dirac support > everything that is possible to do with the non-free formats. So at the > end of the day we feel that by moving people toward Linux and now > Solaris, and to using an open source framework like GStreamer which > has top-notch support for free codecs, we do more good than evil for > the goal of removing the plight of patented codecs, even if our way of > achieving that is by offering those non-free codecs for sale." > [...] > Non-free media formats are fundamentally at odds with free software, > not because of source code licensing but because of patents. Ignoring > that fact can mean taking a serious legal risk. As Dave Neary of Wengo > so concisely expressed it on his personal blog: "People should realise > that proprietary codecs are just that -- proprietary. And if they cost > money, that's a great way to realise."" > > I am in no way associated with Fluendo (except for being a participant > in the codecs beta testing). I am simply concerned that Ubuntu makes > it too easy to infringe patents. > > As I raised on the mailing list and in a bug report: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/173161 > users often end up infringing patents that they never even use because > the codecs are distributed in composite packages. > > Regards, > > Aaron > > -- > FSF Associate Member: 5632 > http://www.fsf.org Since when should linux users have to pay for codecs? Bloody hell. Are we heading down the Windows path? I would never in my life pay for any codecs? Why? Simply because a user shouldn't have to. C'mon, seriously, some common sense required I think. -- Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Patent issues with automatic codec installation
On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 08:20 -0400, Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: > Right and thats what we do but GNU/Linux isn't about breaking the law. > > On Dec 4, 2007 5:47 AM, Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wasn't saying that paying Fluendo is silly etc. If people > wish to > follow that path, that's great. > I was simply stating that I think that something as simple as > audio/video codecs shouldn't have to come to this. It's > insane!! ;-) > > The whole point of gnu/linux is to create a free and open > source > environment. > And it seems that paying for simple codecs is going against > what gnu > linux stands for. > > > > -- > Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > -- Yes, but I think you're missing the whole point that I'm making. If laws pressure linux users into setting up a pay-for-codec system, then it's completely wrong. Remember when DeCSS was first released? Sure, the laws were there telling tux users that using a simple css script to simply watch a css encrypted DVD was 'illegal'. But users kept doing it anyway and it has now become accepted as a simple decryption script that is required for watching DVDs. Sure, Ubuntu cannot pre-install this by default as it could still be "illegal" in some countries. But by warning the user before they install the script/codecs that they ,ay be breaking a law in X country, Canonical are covering themselves as it's up to the users discretion whether to install it or not. My point... the codec issue(s) we are talking about is no different. And it seems that the laws are happy if we pay for a codec (depending of course on what country we're talking about here) it's fine. But if you source it for free, that's viewed as wrong. C'mon mate, seriously, do you see something stupid going on here? Regards -- Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: New Programs for Hardy?
> > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:06:18 -0600 > From: "Conrad Knauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?) > To: "Ubuntu Developer Discussion Mailing List" > > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hmm... this ended up in sounder; should be in ubuntu-devel-discuss too. > > CK > > On Nov 28, 2007 4:49 AM, Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We are always looking for more ways to reduce CD size so that we can fit > > more things on the CD [...] There are various other targets of opportunity > > [...] that we'll be looking into as well. > -- > Why is there so much focus on keeping the Ubuntu installer to the very limited size of a CD-R ISO? I mean, this modern world of computing we live in, the 700MB capacity of a CD-R isn't much to play around with really. I think sooner or later, Ubuntu is going to grow beyond what's possible to squeez onto a 700MB iso and be forced to adopt the benefits of DVD5 storage. Maybe that time is approaching quicker than expected by some. Just my 2 cents. -- Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: regular fsck runs are too disturbing
>>A little while ago there was a discussion here about fsck running at >>boot, >>and the program AutoFsck. The author of AutoFsck just contacted me and >>asked >>me what his next step should be. I don't have any official standing in >>the >>Ubuntu dev community, so I'm just going to forward his message out >>here in >the hopes that it will get opened up for a more comprehensive >>discussion. >>Evan >>PS I also sent him a link to join this list, so hopefully he'll be >>able to >>contribute to the discussion. I too was contacted by a Jonathon Musther. But the email I received was different. It reads... Hi Chris Jones I wouldn\'t normally use this mailing list for anything other than announcements about new versions of AutoFsck. But I have been inundated with people requesting information on how to promote AutoFsck, and get it (or something with the functionality) into the Ubuntu distribution. I\'ve been trying to do this myself for a long time, but have not got very far. To this end I have set up a petition at the bottom of the page: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutoFsck Please read it and consider adding your name. Also feel free to email me if you have any comments, suggestions etc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kind Regards Jonathan Musther I'm not quite sure why I received it either. I suspect it's just because I'm a member of the AutoFsck Mailing List. -- Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: LVM on hardy's live installer?
> Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:14:47 +1100 > From: Lex Hider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: LVM on hardy's live installer? > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Is there any plans to enable LVM for the live cd installers for hardy? > > As I understand it, it would be fairly simple to implement. > > Didn't previous versions of ubuntu have this feature? > > This feature is one thing that Fedora does much better than Ubuntu. > > Cheers, > Lexual. > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:28:21 -0500 > From: "Mackenzie Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: LVM on hardy's live installer? > To: "Lex Hider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The Alternate CD has, as far as I'm aware, always had it, but I don't think > the Live CD ever did. Actually, I'm also pretty sure that the liveCD used to have it. -- Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Deprecating slocate for desktop users?
Hi Timo Jyrinki wrote: > use. Still, I think there is no GUI for it anyway, and everyone's home > directories are now indexed by Tracker, so what's the point? Speaking for myself, I regularly use slocate to find things that are outside my home directory (not that I use tracker for things that are in my home directory - I put them where they are, so I know where they are ;) Cheers, -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!
Hi Evan wrote: > paths are slashes, while Windows has a considerable list (apostrophes, > asterisks, etc). The problem is that it doesn't have a list, there are multiple lists and they aren't documented. NTFS will reject some filenames, win16/win32/win64/.net/etc. will reject others (as you have seen by Linux's ability to create files that Windows Explorer refuses to handle). There is no canonical list of filenames to avoid on Windows. See: http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2006/11/03/941420.aspx That alone makes this (imho) a basically intractable problem, unfortunately. Cheers, -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with sm.archive.ubuntu.com
Hi (fwiw, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is probably a better way to talk to the mirror admins, or #ubuntu-mirrors on irc.freenode.net) Sim wrote: > we have seen that "sm.archive.ubuntu.com" (San Marino), use GB network correct, any country which doesn't have a mirror who have agreed to be the official country mirror, defaults to archive.ubuntu.com in London. > Please update dns for sm. with it.archive.ubuntu.com. (for example > Garr Network) otherwise network connection is really slow Normally we would want to discuss a change in official country mirror with the mirror admins for that site, however, given the location and size of San Marino, it doesn't seem like it would put much additional stress on the Italian mirror. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It may take a little while for the DNS update to propagate, but sm.archive.ubuntu.com now points to it.archive.ubuntu.com. Cheers, -- Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canonical.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: acpi-support: Lock screen with dbus during resume
Hi Dennis Jansen wrote: > A slightly adapted version of /etc/acpi/resume.d/90-xscreensaver.sh. How come this happens on resume? When I suspend my screen fades to black and then suspends (implying that the screen was locked), but on resume my desktop is shown briefly before locking. I don't tend to have anything horrifically incriminating on display anyway, but it seems a bit odd. Cheers, -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
ext4 in Intrepid?
I've been following the development of ext4 for what seems like an eternity. >From what I understand, the latest Fedora 9 release features ext4 support. So too do many other popular distros. And what I can't understand is why Ubuntu still doesn't feature any support for ext4, to my knowledge. I was hoping that the developers could shed some light on the reasons as to why. And will it perhaps make its way into Intrepid? If not, when we will see support for ext4 in Ubuntu. Regards -- Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ext4 in Intrepid?
-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:45:04 +0100 From: Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ext4 in Intrepid? To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-T > * It isn't stable yet. The developers still recommend caution and lots of > backups -- I find this comment I bit, ironic. >From my understanding, yes, devs are still saying it's still in development stage. But from all the testing that has been done so far, nobody has lost any data yet. So I guess I find it ironic that they are still recommending very-regular backups. Regards Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot-time improvements
I'm not quite sure what all the ranting is all about regarding Ubuntu boot times. I never really even thought of it until it was mentioned on the mailing list here. So, as a test, I timed my own system how long it takes to boot. From GRUB boot to login screen, it was 36.72 secs. And that is on a Celeron D with 512MB DDR RAM and booting from an old IDE hard drive. I'd imagine that a more recent dual core setup with more ram and a more recent sata hard drive would have better results. But my mere 36 secs is certainly nothing to rant about. I dunno what you are all complaining about really. Regards -- Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Policy: prefixes for multiples of units
Hi Neal McBurnett wrote: > Abandoning sensible international standards, and basing our software > instead on the whims of marketing people writing advertising copy for > packaging, which varies by manufacturer and time and culture, will > cause us much chaos. IMHO it really wont. People buy things with MB and GB written on them and there is no overriding truth about what those units mean in the real world. People just know that a MB is fairly small and a GB is better. Whether you use Megabytes, Megabits, Mebibytes or Margerine is irrelevant, all of them are imprecise. A 512MB USB stick doesn't have 512 Megabytes, Mebibytes, Megabits, Megatrons, Megadons or anything else. It just has something around 512MB, less filesystem overheads, partitioning overheads, etc. People put data onto it until it's full. Keeping our units as consistent as possible means that the vaguely meaningful numbers will mostly mean the same things whenever people see them. Consistency is good. Simplicity is good. Cheers, -- Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.tenshu.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug madness: High frequency of load/unload cycles
Hi Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > I still see a solution: the hdparm At best that seems like a workaround. I'm pretty sure I saw Matthew Garrett say that the underlying cause of the high parking rate is that Linux's disk IO pattern is quite different to that of Windows, and that we ought to be able to change that so the disk is touched less frequently. Cheers, -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10
Regarding Midnight Commander (mc): I'm a very heavy user of mc and use it for pretty much anything file related on a day-to-day basis. And once you get used to it and know how to harness its power, you'll never use Nautilus (or any other graphical file manager) again. And I'm not speaking for a minority here, there's plenty of power users out there that use it and can't live without it. But, as far as putting it onto the Live CD, I don't think that's a priority to be honest. I think there's more important files that could be added over mc. And as mentioned already, anyone who uses mc will probably not be using it off a live cd anyway. Just my 2 cents for what it's worth. Regards -- Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Jaunty open for development
Hi (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote: > Also, UM must be intelligent enough to understand that the user is on the > latest stable release and want to go to the devel one, and not migrate users > from older releases to devel, when the user adds the -d. I remember following > a bug on launchpad of users complying of that, and ended up on a devel > release and not a stable one. Why would you add -d and expect it to not upgrade you to a devel release? That's exactly what -d is for: -d, --devel-release Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is possible Perhaps you mean -c ? Cheers, -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Thoughts about EXT4 optional in Jaunty Development & questions about Plymouth
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:01:03 + From: Matthew Paul Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Thoughts about EXT4 optional in Jaunty Development & questions about Plymouth To: ubuntu-devel-discuss Dev Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Nov 24, 2008, at 12:07 AM, Dean Loros wrote: > ... > There has been talk in the testing group about Plymouth & possible > replacement of Usplash...IMO Plymouth provides a better user experience > due to a "more" seamless blending of Grub, Kernel boot & GDM. I realize > that there could be "issues" with this, but it could also net a more > positive user experience . > ... Plymouth is scheduled for discussion at the Ubuntu Developer Summit two weeks from now. <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/plymouth> Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ *** Just thought it was worth mentioning that it's certainly possible to use ext4 on Ubuntu already. I'm using it for my 2 data hard drives which were originally ext3. But ext4 is backward compatible and therefore has the capability to mount ext3 partitions and ext4. Here's what I done (as I posted in a recent forum): First you have to enable the system to mount ext4 because Ubuntu still flags ext4 file system as experimental as is therefore disabled by default. ubuntu% sudo tune2fs -E test_fs /dev/your_drive_partition And then you simply have to mount the drive. ubuntu% sudo mount /dev/your_drive_partition -t ext4dev /media/your_mount_directory Done. A quick check with df to see if it worked. ubuntu% df -T It worked. Here's what mine looks like. The last 2 entries are the ext4 mounts. You'll notice that they are flagged as ext4dev, that's because (as mentioned) Ubuntu still flags ext4 as experimental, even though it's not. ubuntu% df -T Filesystem Type 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda6 jfs17549600 4258296 13291304 25% / tmpfstmpfs 250364 0250364 0% /lib/init/rw varrun tmpfs 250364 324250040 1% /var/run varlock tmpfs 250364 0250364 0% /var/lock udev tmpfs 250364 2872247492 2% /dev tmpfstmpfs 250364 0250364 0% /dev/shm lrm tmpfs 250364 2380247984 1% /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/volatile /dev/sda1 jfs 495712 13176482536 3% /boot /dev/sda5 ext255599836 25436932 27903524 48% /home /dev/sdb1 ext4dev 157566568 45810908 103751680 31% /home/chris/disk /dev/sdc1 ext4dev 307663800 256501836 35778776 88% /home/chris/disk-1 For the record too, it's definitely snappier with both read/write on the simple real world tests that I done. Regards -- Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: video card (intel) problems in jaunty
>> Is it a problem of the drivers or of the server? >>What is the ubuntu policy about this? I see that there are many bugs about uxa on launchpad. Is it possible to do a forward port of the old drivers (if they are the problem?). Otherwise, as usual I would prefer a clear statement: is it just a known problem in ubuntu, and there is nobody who can do anything about that? That is: is this a know regression which must be left in the stable release? Thanks Vincenzo *** I'm aware of the issue with Intel 865 chipsets, which is what I'm currently running. I attempted to test Jaunty A3 and 4 the other day and found out that currently, i865 chipsets are not working. Yet I can't understand why because I've never had any issues with previous versions of Ubuntu. It's obviously something to do with the new x.org. Hopefully, it gets sorted before it goes gold. Otherwise, we'll be stuck with Intrepid for the time being. Regards -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: DHT functionality in Kubuntu default torrent client -- (Ktorrent)
>>Message: 8 >>Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:39:23 +0100 >>From: Bartlomiej Gerlich Subject: DHT functionality in Kubuntu default torrent client (Ktorrent) To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <200903070339.24218.bgerl...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi, is there a reason DHT functionality is disabled by default in Ktorrent? I have searched the Internet and didn't find any exploits or vulnerabilities for this feature. DHT speeds up torrent transfers when connection with the tracker is iffy. It is also important because it allows bittorret to function without relying so much on centralized trackers. Furthermore DHT is enabled by default in Deluge and in Vuze (former Azureus). Best regards Bart?omiej Gerlich * I used to use KTorrent but now use Deluge as it uses much less resource usage. And because I also now use Gnome and Deluge integrates into Gnome better than KDE based KTorrent. Anyway... In reference to DHT being enabled by default, yes, it's a pain in the neck and I could never understand also why it's not enabled by default. But unlike you, I never really thought to make the issue public. But with saying all this, upon install of KTorrent it really isn't hard to tick the checkbox in the options. And if it really does bother you, my suggestion would be to post on the KTorrent forums. I'm a member there and when I've posted a question, the KTorrent developer himself has replied well within 12 hours. Regards -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Best practice for reporting bugs
Hi Matt Zimmerman wrote: > our best practices for reporting bugs. In particular, reporting bugs > directly to Launchpad is usually *NOT* the best approach. This should only Perhaps Launchpad could specifically discourage this within /ubuntu/ and offer up much the same information in your mail? Cheers, -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Synaptic - Proxy - Network Connection
>>>Message: 9 >>>Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:22:58 +1000 >>>From: Kyle Amadio Subject: Synaptic - Proxy - Network Connection To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <24b8dd680908072022y3cfb8f50p209a2cfc3e03a...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not sure if this is the right place for this - Could be have Synaptics proxy/network connection changed to also have the option of using the system wide setting, rather than having to re-set it here as well as via the Network Proxy Preference form. -- Regards Kyle Amadio International TV Shopping Systems +61 411707081 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20090808/848d7f0f/attachment-0001.htm --- You need to be more specific. What exactly are you trying to do? Regards -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Ubuntu Domain Server
Whether I'm becoming old fashioned or whether I've been using Linux for too long, I dunno. But 90% of the applications that I use are command line driven. The only graphical apps I use on a daily basis are Firefox, Evolution. And of course the occasional use of The Gimp, Inkscape, Brasero, Devede etc. But all the rest is completely driven from a terminal inside a Fluxbox session. Why, because it's low-resource usage and much more productive and functional. So to claim that a GUI is much more productive than a CLI is absolutely false, from a certain perspective. Obviously it's all user dependant and dependant on the users habits. But we shouldn't be encouraging the use of a GUI inside a server environment simply because it breeds dumb users. As pointed out by someone else on the mailing list, Windows users are often closed minded and not open to learning something new. And give a techie a Windows box to fix and he'll instantly know where the problem lies. But give him a tux box and I can guarantee that he probably wouldn't have a bloody clue. Heck, even most ISP network admins don't wanna help you if you're running a Linux OS. Why? Simply because they don't know Linux. Anyway, I'm starting to run off track a little but going back to my point; GUI servers are breeding these clueless geeks! I 'unofficially' admin the Windows network at work and I can't tell you how many times I've sat there and wondered how good it would be to add and implement a Linux server into the network. But I certainly wouldn't be installing a full blown GUI. Webmin perhaps, but that's where I draw the line. The whole purpose of a server is to use minimal resources and have only the basics of tools to get the job done. This primarily is what has traditionally separated a Server Operating System from a Desktop Operating System. And just to go back to what I said in the beginning, to claim that a GUI is more productive than a CLI is not only crap, but it clearly demonstrates a users lack of knowledge of not only the server sector but the technology behind Linux as a whole. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com iScreen and Print http://iscreenandprint.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
"tree" package to be included out-of-the-box
Ok, this is really starting to bug me. Why is the "tree" package not installed by default in Ubuntu? Other distros such as Fedora have it installed by default. I know it's easy enough to install at only ~500kb, but it irks me as it's a command I use all the time and I think it is just something/a command that should be included without the user having to install it. Cheers. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com iScreen and Print http://iscreenandprint.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:16:30 +1100 > From: Kyle Amadio > Subject: Re: Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated' > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > <24b8dd680912010216j2d86f731v1bc17aa030913...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Just for FUN I did a Fedora 12 install of Gnome and KDE. > > Must say that Ubuntu is dead simple and fast. Fedora was "nearly easy" but > for some reason it just does not flow like Ubuntu's does. > > Leave the installer alone it is simple and fast. > > -- > Regards > > Kyle Amadio > International TV Shopping Systems > +61 411707081 It's funny you say that, because from my experience I actually prefer the Anaconda installer of Fedora. I reckon it kicks ass over the Ubuntu installer in functionality, ease-of-use and speed. I can have a Fedora system installed and running in ~12 mins with the Fedora. Although I do overall prefer Ubuntu, I've never been impressed with its installer and it's very slow install speeds. Cheers. -- Chris Jones Founder Linux Dynamix Foundation http://linuxdynamixfoundation.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: is anyone ever going to fix this major bug?
Hi On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 23:06 +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote: > bug comments, that seems to be ia32-libs-tools (the source package which That package is only in Jaunty, not in Karmic because it seems to have been removed from Debian for being a poor, fragile solution to the problem that multiarch will solve. I suspect that this means it will not see any fixing at all in Karmic, since it's not in Karmic's repositories! Cheers, -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...
The services of which the OP is complaining about can easily be achieved by other business practices. The method will probably vary depending on which country we're referring to hear, due to different countries having different setups and configs for internet kiosks and cafes. But I know that I could easily setup and run an Internet kiosk that all systems could run Ubuntu/Linux and be able to keep track of costs, eg. time used, cd's written etc. It's just keeping an eye out for what people are up to, it's really not that hard. I sense a bit of laziness involved with the OP with wanting software that does all the hard work for you! Cheers. -- Chris Jones Founder Linux Dynamix Foundation http://linuxdynamixfoundation.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid
I'm still a little shocked that F-Spot is still included by default. Any software developer or any geek with a basic understanding of software development and programming knows that F-Spot is one of the worst examples of programming code/platform. To put it simply, it's shocking and to be honest I won't have a piece of it. I'm a photographic imaging professional and I use too many imaging apps to list here, but F-Spot is not one of them, for the simple reason it is slow, clunky and has crap file format support for anything outside of JPEG format. The Ubuntu Developers clearly have no understanding of this sector of technology and the IT industry and that sector being digital/photographic imaging. And if they did, they would ditch F-Spot and replace it with a suitable and "real" image management package. There are alternatives out there that have been mentioned 100 times already (which I'm not going to mention again). The developers seem to either have their hands full with other projects or are walking around with curtains over their eyes. Cheers, -- Chris Jones Founder Linux Dynamix Foundation http://linuxdynamixfoundation.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 06:23 +, Martin Owens wrote: > > Isn't laziness a good thing? If the OP is willing to pay for the > development of tools to speed or make easier the setup of these systems, > then we should support them, not ridicule them as being lazy. > > The target of computing design is to make the very complex, simple to > operate. If it takes a lot of work to set up the OP's systems, then the > tools are badly designed for this task. QED. > > Martin, > *** Apologies if I came across a little harsh. I never meant it like that. By all means, I agree there needs to be further attention and development in this sector, but all I was pointing out is that there are alternative ways of doing things until the software side of things gets to a point of where it can can some of the load off the manual work. -- Chris Jones Founder Linux Dynamix Foundation http://linuxdynamixfoundation.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 10:11 +, Mohammed Bassit wrote: > > I'd really love to know more about the alternatives that have been > mentioned a 100 times if you don't mind. I can't find any personally.Not > that I like F-Spot, but I can't see much of an alternative. > > Cheers, > > > Mohammed Bassit > * Well you're not reading very hard then, as they've been mentioned again since I said this statement. Go back to the archives. -- Chris Jones Founder Linux Dynamix Foundation http://linuxdynamixfoundation.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Midnight Commander: bug report and patch
> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:37:30 -0500 > From: Ben Okopnik > Subject: Midnight Commander: bug report and patch > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <20091224163730.ga6...@linuxgazette.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi, all - > > I tried reporting this bug in Launchpad more about a week back, and > never got any response. Since it's a pretty big one (zip file contents > not showing up), I figured I'd send it here; hopefully, someone finds it > helpful! > > The problem was caused by the regex in "/usr/share/mc/extfs/uzip" > failing to parse the output of '/usr/bin/unzip -qq -v'. As a result, the > subsequent code that processes the return from that regex also fails. > > Please take a look at the diff file for the fix (tested on ~20 random > zip files.) > > > Best regards, > -- > * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * > > > * You're absolutely right. I had this the other day and didn't even think anymore about it. But mc should theoretically read what's inside an archive and display its contents. I just tried mine and it works for RAR and 7z archives, but not ZIP. Odd. Regards -- Chris Jones Founder Linux Dynamix Foundation http://linuxdynamixfoundation.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Grub2 stops in the menu and waits for keypress after dirty power-off
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:25:37 +0100 > From: Petr Jake? > Subject: Grub2 stops in the menu and waits for keypress after dirty > power-off > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Cc: Dufek Pavel > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > We have made a clean install minimal install of the > ubuntu-9.10-server-i386. > > After the dirty power off (PC disconnected from the electricity when Ubuntu > was working - no halt command issued before the electricity disconnecting) > Grub2 stops in the menu and requires manual action (pressing the Enter key). > > We have found this a real pain for the server. Our point of view is server > has to (always) start without any manual assistance. > > It was really not easy to find the solution > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1373965 > > We think even if Grub2 stops in the menu, it has to signalize somehow why. > Or the server distro has to have different boot-up behavior than desktop. > > Regards > > Petr May I ask why you are turning the poweroff on your server anyway? What kind of server are you running that requires a poweroff? I know this beside the point, but I'm just curious as to why you'd choose to switch it off. Cheers. -- Chris Jones Founder Linux Dynamix Foundation http://linuxdynamixfoundation.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: The 9.10 boot loader progress bar
> > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:09 -0300 > From: Brian Vidal Castillo > Subject: Re: The 9.10 boot loader progress bar > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <4b5fabc1.7030...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > We don't want text-based bootloaders... that's why Cannonical is orking > really hard with plymouth, xsplash and even usplash. > > Having that set of indicators will help for sure. I have seen my laptop > stops after a kernel upgrade, so this way i could know what's the problem. > > This will be even better than a progress bar. Just a nice background in > Xsplash with Ubuntu AND the version and then the icons on bottom, when > they are all light up, my system is ready. Simple and beautiful. > > Could not be more perfect. > > You mean that you don't want text based boot loaders? It's just that your post seemed so certain. You may not be aware, but there are a select few of us out there that actually like text based boot loaders or at least an easy way to view the text upon boot. Example -- I run Fedora 11 and as much as I like Plymouth, I quite regularly press the "ESC" key to view the text loading for x reason. Regards Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: White-on-black terminal should be default
Although I'm an avid fan of a white-on-black terminal theme and agree that it should be the default, I'm not going to add to the argument even more than what's necessary. But the way I look at it; if you're a really keen terminal user, such as myself who uses both Fedora 11 and Ubuntu 10.04 Server both in CLI mode only and don't even run X, you'd probably be using linux in the same manner. Resulting in a white-on-black terminal by default anyway. And for those nerds that do choose to use a terminal within an x session, just change it. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: too many virtual terminals by defaut
>> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:57:10 -0300 >> From: Fl?vio Etrusco >> Subject: Re: too many virtual terminals by defaut >> IIRC Fedora lowered the number of login terminals for reasons other >> than process/memory overhead - though I can't remember what reasons >> were from the top of my head ;-) >> BTW, does a terminal allocate any video memory when using KMS? >> I assume anyone using a high number of text/login terminals to be a >> server administrator? Is 6 enough? What about Screen? >> Best regards, >> Fl?vio I think you are right there. Fedora did in fact reduce the number of VT's somewhere along the line. Yet I can't remember why either. It's probably on Google somewhere, but to be honest I can't be bothered looking into it right now. I can't see a decision affecting me personally as I really only sit in one terminal at a time anyway. Sometimes two, but rarely any more than that. And tbh, I can't see any reason to change the current number. There appears to be no apparent reason to do so. Not that anyone's brought forward yet anyway. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Please Consider Taking a Minute to Answer This Ubuntu User Survey
>>Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:55:49 +0700 >>From: Daniel Bo >>C, >>Sorry to set off your alarms. The survey branches depending on your >>answers. I'm trying to get an idea about different classes of Ubuntu >>users: casual, committed, and paid. I'll post the results to the list >>and to my blog once I have compiled them, even though the survey is >>non-scientific and the answers are suspect. >>I appreciate your effort on my behalf. >>Daniel ** I thought the survey was alright mate. I filled it out. I'm a bit of a sucker for tux surveys, for some odd reason. And as long as you got the results that you set out to get, that's all that really matters. Anyway, I'd be curious of the results when you have them available. Certainly post them to the mailing list. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: 10.04rc: missing tree command
> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:20:45 +0100 > From: Chris Coulson > Subject: Re: 10.04rc: missing tree command > On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 10:45 +0200, J?r?me Bouat wrote: > Hello, > > I think the useful "tree" tiny command should be installed by default > (no dependency, 98kB). > > Regards. > > Well, overlooking the fact that we are in final freeze, a few days from > release and tree isn't even in main - why? > Regards > Chris I couldn't agree more. I have mentioned this before on the mailing list. If you go back through the archives you'll probably find it somewhere. But when I mentioned it, I didn't seem to get much support from anyone else. And the same thing appears to have happened this time around. I would have thought that it was a tool/command that is used by many people. It's an essential command in my line of work (albeit on Windows) and couldn't imagine file management without it. I guess we're part of a rare few that seem to find this command very useful. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Window controls: minimise and maximise icons are confusing?
>>Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:58:47 -0400 (EDT) >>From: chom...@lavabit.com >> >>Hey, just a thought: >> >>On Lucid, after I've maximised a window and I then want to unmaximise it I >>keep finding myself pressing the minimise button instead. I think it's >>because of the icons: minimise is a down arrow and maximise is an up >>arrow, which suggests that minimise is the reverse of maximise, but it >>isn't, the reverse of maximise is unmaximise. Just as a general note, I'm still struggling a little with the new window control buttons location to the left. I am persevering with it though as I am accepting that it's a good location for them being right next to the File, Edit, etc. menu controls. So it does make sense to have the windows control buttons close to the menu. But purely out-of-habit I keep moving the mouse all the way over to the right of the windows to close/minimize the window. Damn! Some days I get frustrated and go to change it back to the traditional way of doing things. But then I have to remind myself to "just be patient". And it doesn't help also being a Windows user and having to compete with the Windows window control buttons which are of course the traditional layout also. Just my 2 cents. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Removal of PulseAudio from Ubuntu
Since upgrading to Lucid, I can no longer use Pulse audio with VLC as it skips beyond use. I have to configure VLC to putput to ALSA as an alternative which works perfectly. Up until Lucid's release, I've had no real big issues with Pulseaudio. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Removal of PulseAudio from Ubuntu
>>Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:17:04 -0400 >>From: Daniel Chen >> >>(Grr, Android mail clients) >> >>Have you filed a bug report against the alsa-driver source (or alsa-base >>binary) package? >> Why on earth would I file a bug for alsa-driver when alsa is the driver that is working. Pulse is what I'm having issues with. Perhaps you misread/misunderstood my post. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Windows controls: new button layout
>>Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:00:10 +0200 >>From: V for Vortex >> >>If you are using Windows and Ubuntu together, it may be better for you >>to have the buttons at the same location on both systems. On the >>other hand, Mac+Ubuntu users should be happier with the new layout. >> >>I control my windows mostly with the keyboard (compiz has some great >>options for this), so I am not bothered with the new layout most of the >>time. ;) >> >>Ciao >> >>V. I caved in. But I tried. Believe me, I really tried. Since my post, I have changes theme to a more traditional feel for the buttons and a cause for less confusion to my rusting old brain. I agree, if you dual boot with Windows, it's just too confusing. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: The Excalibur System
>>Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:20:54 -0400 >>From: Ryan Oram >> Well done Ryan. I think it's a great achievement just getting the approval. And an even greater achievement if you can pull it off. You have my full support mate! Don't worry too much about the caveat of having to dual-boot the systems with Windows. Just think of it as a safety net rather than any kind of set-back. I'm sure if the project is solid enough when complete, established and fully implemented, systems will gradually be pulled off any kind of Windows reliance. And it's another good example of the strength of open-source software and computing. Let me know if I can help in any way Ryan. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
Including a system-wide eq sounds great and all, but it's probably more difficult than what it initially seems. Especially considering the variety of codecs and output configs and methods that we all have running. eg. gstreamer, xine, vlc, mplayer, xmms just to name a few. So I can't see how a system-wide eq could work. I use vlc personally for both video and audio and do enjoy it's built in equalizer. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
Let's hope that with the proposed removal of F-Spot and Solang as it's replacement, we'll see The GIMP reinstated. The first thing I did upon a fresh install of Lucid was apt-get remove fspot and apt-get install gimp. The decision to see The GIMP's removal by default is purely insane if you ask me. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Rethinking Ubuntu's Repositories
I like your ideas Conrad and think that you've obviously put a lot of thought into it all. I'm very interested what others have to say about the concept. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Aptitude included in Maverick by default
I was discussing this issue with some other members on #ubuntu+1 irc just yesterday. Should aptitude be included in Maverick by default? I can't see any valid reason of why it should be. We already have apt-get, dpkg and gdebi. And between the 3 of those, all bases are already covered. So I believe one has to raise the question. I'm not aware of how much space aptitude actually consumes, but the space could be better used for something more useful and/or important. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Appearance of active window in bottom bar
Thanks for raising this. I don't really have much more to say about it other than the fact that I completely agree with you. I thought it was just stupid me getting it the wrong way around! Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 43, Issue 19
> > It might be worth pointing out that aptitude is preferred over apt-get > in Debian [1]: > >The preferred program for package management from the command line >is aptitude, which can perform the same package management functions >as apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution. > > dpkg is not usable for package management and gdebi only makes > installing local deb packages easier by resolving dependencies. > > Regards, > Ansgar > > [1] < > http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#pkgmgmt > > > Thanks for your comments mate. I never claimed that dpkg and gdebi done any more than just that. I was simply pointing out that in addition to apt-get's functions, there really is nothing that aptitude can technically do that can't be done already with other built-in tools. But as pointed out already, it seems my wish has come true. Aptitude will be included only by default in Server Edition of Maverick. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Ubuntu falling behind?
I have to wonder whether Ubuntu updates are falling behind as time goes on. It's now a good few days since Firefox 3.6.4 was released, yet Ubuntu's version still sits at 3.6.3 for some odd reason. Yet I can boot up my neat and trusty little Tiny Core Linux cd and to find that even that has 3.6.4 in it's local mirror. What takes Ubuntu so long to get updates? And in particular FF updates. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu falling behind?
I guess I also have to remind myself that lucid is a LTS release. Which I hadn't thought of when I first posted. Still, this very issue seems to be apparent with all Ubuntu releases and Firefox updates. We always seem to be the last ones to receive it. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu falling behind?
Sorry Richard. I must have missed that email. Is it worth noting that Firefox has been updated to 3.6.6 already on my Windows work system. Will Ubuntu be skipping directly to the latest 3.6.6 when the update finally arrives? Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu falling behind?
Thank you for the information Chris. And your notes did clear things up and explained well in regards to Firefox updates in Ubuntu. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude included in Maverick by default
Thanks for dragging this up again Paul. I have moved on from this discussion but felt the need to reply since you seem to have misunderstood what I meant by my original comments. To clarify; I was not stating that apt-get is a substitute for aptitude. I was not stating that dpkg is a substitute for aptitude. And I was not stating that gdebi is a substitute for aptitude. I was stating that the between the three combined as a team of apps, you can pretty much do everything possible that aptitude can do. Yes, with more hands on work and more commands. But it's all there for those who want it make use of it. I'm not going to go over it all again as I feel it unnecessary to do so. Unless of course you still misunderstand my point-of-view. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or Fedora Design Suite Developer and Co-Maintainer Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude included in Maverick by default
Thanks for clearing that up Remco. Strange because Paul is claiming that he sent that message June 12. Yet it has only just arrived in my inbox. I thought it was weird it was being dragged up again... Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or Fedora Design Suite Developer and Co-Maintainer Email: -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Ubuntu artwork. Where has it gone?
I am adding a logo and link to Ubuntu (and Fedora) on my website in support of FOSS. I don't know whether I'm stupid or not, but where have the official PNG and SVG logo files gone? Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or Fedora Design Suite Developer and Co-Maintainer Email: -- GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Public Key Fingerprint: 6915 0761 5754 D091 99F4 5384 BA37 FD5D 34F9 F115 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
UbuntuForums.org support email?
I know this is not the list for this but it's my last resort. Is there an email address for support on the UbuntuForums.org? I have been incorrectly banned and can not follow the instructions in the email I received due to me being banned. Bloody ironic. Ban you, then send you a link fix to the site you've been banned from! I am really not happy about this. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or Fedora Design Suite Developer and Co-Maintainer Email: -- GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Public Key Fingerprint: 6915 0761 5754 D091 99F4 5384 BA37 FD5D 34F9 F115 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu artwork. Where has it gone?
Thanks guys. I'll take a look tomorrow. Cheers. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or Fedora Design Suite Developer and Co-Maintainer Email: -- GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Public Key Fingerprint: 6915 0761 5754 D091 99F4 5384 BA37 FD5D 34F9 F115 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
USB formatting labels
I am unsure whether this is an issue related to Nautilus or Ubuntu itself, but when I format a USB stick with the right-click option, it doesn't enter the USB's current label as the new formatted label. It's only a minor annoyance but an annoyance at that. I reckon it should detect the current label of the stick and relabel a newly formatted USB stick with the same label, unless otherwise changed by the user. Surely this can't be hard to implmement into Ubuntu (or Nautilus)? Regards -- http://home.comcen.com.au/foxmulder881/signature/details.html -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Linux Desktop Responsiveness Patches
Looks interesting indeed. The topic is also on the Fedora Dev Mailing List. So it seems to be getting a bit of attention across the tux community. Definitely a good thing. I can't see it getting backported to 2.6.32 kernel though. But I hope it does. But when I think about it, perhaps it will considering lucid is a LTS release and all. Regards -- http://home.comcen.com.au/foxmulder881/signature/details.html -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firestarter
I'm sure there's a few selected people out there among the Ubuntu community who still use Firestarter. And as it has been updated for the Maverick release, there's no real reason/purpose to be discussing a package removal from the repos. Regards -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Developers, developers, developers...
Maciej, even after reading your over-exaggerated post about the lack of documentation and complete books on the topic of Ubuntu/Linux development, I still don't really know why the hell you are getting so worked up about it. I develop as a side project (non-paid work). I've been using Linux for years now but am relatively new to the development side of it. But I've had no problems finding documentation, examples, tutorials and yes, even books! They're all there readily available if you look hard enough. I live in Australia and I can find them in my local book store(s). So I don't know why you are having so much trouble. I think you are forgetting one important factor too. Software development is not limited and restricted solely to the operating system and/or its capabilities, as you seem to be implying. But rather the programming language and syntax used. That's where your boundaries lie, regardless of OS. Regards -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web ABN: 98 317 740 240 @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
The Oracle debate. Possibly an over-reaction?
I know somewhere along the line Ubuntu is probably going to switch to LibreOffice by default. But does that mean that with the future inclusion of LO, it also means to future removal of OpenOffice from the repositories? If yes, can someone really explain why. I've been thinking about this for some weeks now. When Oracle acquired Sun Microsystems, I was really worried about the future of some software and services, as were many other nerds alike. But the new release of Virtualbox 4.0 spawned me to write this post, as the latest 4.0 release of VB is an awesome release with due credit to Oracle as there beens lots of fixes and additions. And Oracle are close to releasing OpenOffice 3.3 (currently in RC8). In addition to the recent updated release of MySQL 5.5 and Solaris 11. I haven't personally tested out MySQL 5.5 but I do dabble a bit in Solaris 11 and once again, they've done a fine job with a fine release. So credit to Oracle where due. And for which all of the aforementioned are freely available and as open as they were before, when Sun Microsystems had them. So at current, I can't really see any reason to either start removing Oracle products from the repositories or to generate some sort of geek hatred toward Oracle. Regards -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web ABN: 98 317 740 240 @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Evolution in Ubuntu
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:16:31 -0500 > From: Paul Smith > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Evolution in Ubuntu (was: Re: Evolution & Ubuntu 10.04 LTS) > Message-ID: <1295550991.3964.39.camel@psmith-ubeta> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Last year I expressed concern over the fact that Ubuntu was leaving > behind Evolution in Lucid (that is, shipping Gnome 2.30 but leaving > Evolution alone back at 2.28). The explanation at that time was that > the change from Evo 2.28 to 2.30 involved a lot of significant rework > (which it did) and that the LTS release was not a place to experiment > with that sort of change. > > OK, fine. > > I was definitely perplexed, then, to see that in Maverick, which is not > by anyone's standards a long-term support release and is running Gnome > 2.32, Evolution was left at version 2.30! > > And now I've heard (not officially) that Natty, which (as I understand > it) will contain Gnome 3 as the base version, will ship with Evolution > 2.32!! > > It's one thing to leave behind this package due to the confluence of LTS > and a major amount of rewriting, but what is the justification for > continuing to ship obsoleted versions of Evolution with every release of > Ubuntu? > > Is this some sort of new policy decision, that Evolution will forever be > left back in every release? > > > Hi Paul. I can understand what you are saying, but is it really that important to you? I'm curious as to why it's bugging you this much. Does Evolution 2.32 have a particular feature that you require? If you're keen enough, you can probably sneak in the updated Evolution into your own system from a third party PPA or something. I'm sure the deb files are available from somewhere on the internet. It might be worth your while doing a Google search for them. For the record too, Natty will not be shipping with Gnome 3 as default. Yes, it will be the default Gnome version available to install, but Unity has replaced Gnome as the default out-of-the-box UI for Natty. Kind regards -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Evolution in Ubuntu
I still don't see any real necessity to kick up such a fuss Paul. Personally, although I used to use Evolution for my email, it was simply due to the fact that there was no other real suitable alternative. I currently use Thunderbird on Windows. Sure Thunderbird is also available in Ubuntu/Linux but for some odd reason I always had issues with Thunderbird under Ubuntu. And I never have those very issues with the Windows version. Hence why I used Evolution. But I agree with the other chap that posted, Evolution is buggy and has been for a long time. Obviously development has picked up and things are hopefully going to change soon. And to put Maverick into perspective, it was a rather mixed bag of nuts I think. Probably due to the fact that original plans of using Gnome-Shell by default were quickly changed due to numerous delays of G3 development. Still, I was rather happy with a fully updated Maverick instance. -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au or photoresoluti...@comcen.com.au -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Anjuta IDE and Glade Interface Designer Ubuntu 11.04
Craig, did you upgrade from 10.10 > 11.04 or did you perform a fresh 11.04 install? I am curious, because if you have upgraded from another version, some packages may not have upgraded correctly and causing a conflict somewhere. But this is only a guess. I highly doubt that it has anything to do with Unity. But at a guess, your bug report would definitely be related to Ubuntu directly rather that Anjuta. -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au or photoresoluti...@comcen.com.au Command lines and Linux terminals are my comfort zone! OS: Windows XP OS: Fedora 14 System: x86 System: Linux 2.6.35.11-83 x86_64 Desktop: ProfessionalDesktop: GNOME 2.32.0 OS: FreeBSD 7.3-p3 System: i386 Server: Headless-WebUI -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Ubuntu and future Firefox update schedule
There's a bit of discussion going on at the moment regarding the tightening of scheduled releases of Firefox and their inclusion in Fedora. I was curious as to how the Ubuntu Developers felt about it and whether they feel they will be able to keep up with an increased Firefox release schedule for inclusion into Ubuntu? CD99E035AC72E359508CD3A58A335BD6 -- PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au or photoresoluti...@comcen.com.au Command lines and Linux terminals are my comfort zone! OS: Windows XP OS: openSUSE 11.4 System: x86 System: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2 x86_64 Desktop: Professional SP3 Desktop: KDE 4.6.0 OS: FreeBSD 7.3-p3 System: i386 Server: Headless-WebUI+putty <>-- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu and future Firefox update schedule
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:03:41 +0100 From: Chris Coulson Subject: Re: Ubuntu and future Firefox update schedule On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 20:27 +1000, Chris Jones wrote: > There?s a bit of discussion going on at the moment regarding the > tightening of scheduled releases of Firefox and their inclusion in > Fedora. > > > > I was curious as to how the Ubuntu Developers felt about it and > whether they feel they will be able to keep up with an increased > Firefox release schedule for inclusion into Ubuntu? > Hi, Which list is the Fedora discussion on? I'd be interested to see this. Anyway, we are in a good position to handle this change already, and our situation is quite different to that of Fedora: 1) We don't build Firefox on xulrunner anymore. This means we can deploy a Firefox update without breaking other things in the archive using xulrunner. It also means that our builds are more aligned with the official mozilla.org builds and we benefit much more from their QA processes. Yes, I know that almost everyone thinks that bundling libs is evil, but this is the best way of deploying updates rapidly without being disruptive at the same time. 2) We already allow new major versions of Firefox in to a stable release as a security update (we did this with Firefox 3.6 last year when support for 3.0 ended). AFAIK, other distro's don't do this (I could be wrong though). In addition to this: - We've dropped almost all Firefox extensions from the archive now. We still permit a few in the archive, but the criteria for inclusion is fairly tight. Dropping extensions has made me slightly unpopular, but they are a terrible maintenance burden when we are going to have to update them in 4 supported Ubuntu releases every 6 weeks or so. - I'm going to be doing some work next cycle to streamline the way we distribute translations for Firefox. Currently, we need to do a full language pack respin when the major version of Firefox is bumped, and this would become the responsibility of the security team to test and deploy if we have to do it to support a security update. This situation isn't sustainable in the long term though, so we will fix that. Also, we need to put things in to perspective a little bit here, as the situation isn't significantly different to what we have now. As things stand today, Firefox gets a security/stability update every 4-6 weeks, with the occasional chemspill release inbetween. Recently, these updates have occasionally included feature additions (eg, 3.6.4 introduced out-of-process plugins as a regular update), but we don't get string changes in these updates. With the new release process, Firefox will get an update up to every 6 weeks which will bump the major version number, with the occasional chemspill release inbetween. These updates will be a combination of security/stability fixes, feature additions/changes and new strings. However, the changes will be incremental rather than major (eg, comparable to the 3.6.3 -> 3.6.4 update, rather than the 3.6 -> 4.0 update). Regards Chris (Firefox maintainer in Ubuntu) *** Thanks for the information Chris. That helps me understand Ubuntu's future plans and path for Firefox implementation of updates. Search Google for the Fedora mailing list entries regarding this issue, it should be able to locate them. There is not a lot of them, but a couple of worried souls. Regards Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: pure EFI booting, Intel Macs, etc.
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:03:16 +0800 From: Delan Azabani To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: pure EFI booting, Intel Macs, etc. Message-ID: <4db02b14.9010...@azabani.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi all, I hope I'm not wasting your time with an often-discussed topic, and I'm sorry if this is not specifically Ubuntu-related, but I am very interested in Grub and EFI, specifically on Intel Macs. It's been a pain so far, but I've gathered what I think is a basic understanding of EFI on Macs [1]. If it is possible, could any of you please 1. verify that my current understanding [1] is correct and please, reply to correct me where my understanding is incorrect 2. direct me to any valuable resources regarding this area so I can gain a more detailed understanding If any of you could use some of your time to help me that would be greatly appreciated. [1] http://azabani.com/docs/apple-pure-efi-linux -- Thanks and best regards, Delan Azabani *** I can't really help you on the issue of grub and efi booting. But it's a very common complaint among the open-source community and I see the same discussion all over the internet forums and mailing lists of open-source. I hope someone can help you and you get it sorted soon. ;-) Regards -- PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au or photoresoluti...@comcen.com.au Command lines and Linux terminals are my comfort zone! OS: openSUSE 11.4 System: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2 x86_64 Desktop: KDE 4.6.0 OS: Windows XP System: x86 Desktop: Professional SP3 OS: FreeBSD 7.3 System: i386 Server: Headless-WebUI+putty -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Congrats on 11.04
Just a quick congrats on the 11.04 release. I was previously running Fedora and openSUSE because I was angry with the previous state of Ubuntu. Yet the 11.04 release has made me return. Well done to all the developers and all others involved to make such an awesome release possible. Cheers and regards. -- PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au or photoresoluti...@comcen.com.au cjlinux...@gmail.com Command lines and Linux terminals are my comfort zone! OS: Ubuntu 11.04 System: Linux 2.6.38 x86_64 Desktop: Unity OS: Windows XP System: x86 Desktop: Professional SP3 OS: FreeBSD 7.3 System: 7.3-RELEASE-p3 i386 Server: WebUI+putty -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Canonical's future
I'm actually gonna go against the grain and say that I reckon the release of Ubuntu 11.04 and Unity is going to benefit Canonical and make them even bigger than what they are already. Cheers -- PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au or photoresoluti...@comcen.com.au cjlinux...@gmail.com Command lines and Linux terminals are my comfort zone! OS: Ubuntu 11.04 System: Linux 2.6.38 x86_64 Desktop: Unity OS: Windows XP System: x86 Desktop: Professional SP3 OS: FreeBSD 7.3 System: 7.3-RELEASE-p3 i386 Server: WebUI+putty -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Really miss my panel applets.
I recently wrote an article that relates to this topic. It's only short, so feel free to take a look at it here. bit.ly/kQFgWk And feel free to comment. Regards Chris Jones This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Firefox 5, reach 11.04?
First off, my apologies if someone has asked this already, but I've only been skimming over the mailing list lately. Simple question, will Firefox 5 reach Natty 11.04? Or will any releases part of the new rapid release cycle from Mozilla be held off until 11.10? Regards Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firefox 5, reach 11.04?
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Chandru wrote: > >> The update is available in the repos. >> >> -- >> Chandra Sekar.S >> >> > Ok, now I just feel like an idiot. Posting to this mailing list from FF5 now through Gmail. I updated aptitude and then performed update and it came through. I probably should have tried that before I started ranting on the mailing list. Sorry for bothering everyone. Cheers Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Participation Requested: Survey about Open-Source Software Development
I started the survey but stopped on the third page. Not only were the questions as confusing as hell, but they were repetitive and stupid. I have absolutely no idea of the correlation between those questions and what you set out to achieve. Regards Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pulseaudio dependency, if Debian can do it ...
I can only speak for myself as I am not a Ubuntu Developer by any means. But let me point out that Ubuntu is not Debian and Debian is not Ubuntu. If you're happy with the way Debian handles Pulseaudio, then use Debian instead. And besides, there's nothing stopping you from using ALSA, OSS, JACK or whatever you like with Ubuntu. You don't have to remove Pulse just to use a different sound architecture. Cheers Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Developer interview
I am a technical writer for a well known Linux website and am interesting in interviewing (via email) a Ubuntu developer who is working on 12.04. Is there any developers who would volunteer thier valuable time to answer a few questions that I have with Ubuntu 12.04 development? Thanks in advance. Regards -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Drop Gwibber from default install
On 03/10/2012 09:11 PM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: Is there anybody actually using Gwibber on a daily basic? I have it uninstalled on all my machines and use Twitter through the Web-Interface. fwiw, I leave it open all day on my workstation. However, I wouldn't have a problem if I had to install it if it was removed. Cheers, Rick To be honest, I can't stand anything to do with Gwibber and also agree that it should be removed from the default install. And anyone with half an understanding of programming code knows that Gwibber is terrible by design. Regards Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: File systems
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Interesting. But even after reading all that, I'm still at a loss of why
you posted this to the mailing list. It's your rant of the ins and outs
of various filesystems.
There is never going to be one-all-end-all filesystem in any operating
system. I guess, be grateful in Linux we have a choice to select and use
the filesystem the best suits our needs.
Regarding BtrFS. I think it's coming along nicely. I am using it in one
of my drives and I've had no issues at all. But yes, it is not final yet
as we all know.
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Re: Are UI developers all left handed?
On 10/08/12 22:00, ubuntu-devel-discuss-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:04:12 +0200 From: Davyd McColl Finally, the first piece of unbiased, non-inflammatory, useful content on this entire thread. Why designers seem to consider it their duty to force everyone to embrace their paradigm is beyond me. Set up sane (or your preferable, if you like) defaults and let the user decide. I think it's a common mentality for developers to believe that their way is the better way. Regards Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
