Re: [ubuntu-uk] libpath-class-perl 0.15-1 - again. And again. And...
Robert McWilliam wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2007 18:11:54 +0100 I C McNab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unpacking replacement libpath-class-perl ... Setting up libpath-class-perl (0.15-1) ... and then it stops. Does it get to successfully applied? Robert Hard to say what's really happening. There's no further output in the 'Details' screen to indicate that anything is actually being installed. The Update Manager terminates with the usual 'Updates successfully applied' message; but the package stays in the list of available updates. I've had a poke in the slim devices repository and the libpath-class-perl package there has the same version as the one from universe but is different which looks to be confusing apt. It looks like the version locking in synaptic is just using the version. Pinning in apt can be more complicated, including where the package comes from. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin or 'man apt_preferences' I'm very grateful for the trouble you're going to about this. I'll look into pinning the package, as you suggest. I also wondered whether to try uninstalling it, setting sources.list to use the Universe repository rather than slimdevice, and reinstalling the package from Universe. Thanks for your interest and advice. -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] libpath-class-perl 0.15-1 - again. And again. And...
I C McNab wrote: I may have asked about this before, as I've had the same problem with Feisty on a different box. There, it eventually just stopped, without any explanation. (So I never did get round to filing a bug report.) I'm getting repeated update notifications about a module called libpath-class-perl 0.15-1; despite installing the module, the notifications persist. It turns out someone filed a bug report about this; it has had no replies. But forum posts elsewhere suggest a reason for the problem (which has been observed by people using Edgy as well as Feisty - common feature is installation of SlimDevices Slimserver): I get a software update notification for libpath-class-perl 1.5.1 libpath-class-perl 1.5.1 and it never actually updates. I assume there is some file diff between the lib provided by slimdevices and the file in the Universe repository since when I commented out the slimdevices repo the notification remained. I commented out the Universe repo in synaptic and the update note finally goes away. Blocking the Universe repo sounds a bit drastic. Does anyone have any thoughts about other options? -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] libpath-class-perl 0.15-1 - again. And again. And...
Robert McWilliam wrote: It might be worth trying to lock the version of that package so the packaging system doesn't try to upgrade it: Package-Lock Version in Synaptic or look up pinning in the apt manual. This will prevent normal updates though so it would be a good idea to remove the lock every so often and try updating (you might even get a fix for the problem...). Robert I tried locking the package, but to no avail. I notice that when the update is supposedly being installed, the 'details' screen reports Unpacking replacement libpath-class-perl ... Setting up libpath-class-perl (0.15-1) ... and then it stops. Synaptic reports that the update is installed; but the package name stays in the list of items for update; and the update icon on the menu bar does not disappear. Very curious. -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] libpath-class-perl 0.15-1 - again. And again. And...
I may have asked about this before, as I've had the same problem with Feisty on a different box. There, it eventually just stopped, without any explanation. (So I never did get round to filing a bug report.) I'm getting repeated update notifications about a module called libpath-class-perl 0.15-1; despite installing the module, the notifications persist. Any ideas? -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Odd behaviour of system clock
John Levin wrote: This is a known problem; Ubuntu presumes your system clock is set to UTC; windows presumes it to be local time. Solution is to tell Ubuntu to take system clock as local time: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/2939 John Thanks for very helpful - and very quick! - reply. Best wishes -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partitioning Questions
Neil Greenwood wrote: snip Here's the link I mentioned originally: snip What a link-fest! Dw i'n dysgu cymraeg. Mae fy merched i byddwch yn mynd i'r ysgol gymraeg. So I'd like to be able to understand them! Hwyl, Neil. Neil Thanks for all the links. It'll take me a while to work my way through all the material. I'll have a look over the next couple of days. Thanks, too, for the offer of help if I hit any snags. Mae'n ddrwg genni, ond fi ddim yn siarad Cymraeg. I too worked with Welsh medium schools for a while, but my Welsh didn't get much beyond basic politeness. You're clearly getting on a lot better! Hwyl fawr -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Odd behaviour of system clock
I recently set up a dual boot system with Fiesty and WinXP on separate drives. (Previously, I've used various versions of Ubuntu as the only OS on a laptop and a desktop.) I've just noticed on the dual boot system that when I restart XP after using Ubuntu the system clock appears to have lost an hour. (I guess it could be resetting to GMT, and losing the BST adjustment.) The Ubuntu clock is fine. Has anyone had a similar experience? Is there a fix - apart from manually resetting the time (or never using that other OS!)? -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Screen resolution issues with Ver 7.04
George MacLeod wrote: Has anyone else experienced screen resolution problems with installing Ubuntu 7.04? snip Then this morning I booted from from the 7.04 install CD on a Dell Dimension 5150 dual core with screen resolutions up to 1280 x 1024 only to find that Ubuntu live CD only offered 640 x 400 resolution, which is very weird on a 21 monitor... I've just installed 7.04 on a similar one-year-old Dimension 5150 with nVidia card driving a 17 Dell monitor that prefers a resolution of 1280 x 1024. But Fiesty will only offer max 1024 x 768. This is the same as it gives me with a 15 Hanns.G monitor via a Radeon 9000 card on an ancient Compaq AMD Athlon machine. Any suggestions for improvement would be most welcome! (Though, to be honest, at my age, 1024 x 768 is probably easier for my biological optical system to resolve!!!) -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partitioning Questions
Neil Greenwood wrote: One thing you could look at is using LVM, which can resize the partitions later. It's probably not the best thing to try if you're new to Linux, especially to use for the / partition. The other thing you can do is leave some empty space at the moment, in case you guess wrong. You can always move a directory tree (such as /usr) to another partition - it's quite easy when using a Live CD, but you can do it when the partitions are mounted (but it takes some fiddling) - if you want to do the latter, I can dig out a link that explains what to do step-by-step. HTH Hwyl, Neil. Neil Thanks for the ideas. I think you're right about LVM - may be a bit advanced for me just now. I wish I'd had your idea about leaving some space before I went ahead. But never mind - I made / 30Gb, swap 2Gb, and /home got the rest of the space. I guess, if need be, I could split the /home partition, which is the last on the drive, and move a directory tree. I'm hoping this won't ever be necessary; but I'd be grateful if you could send the link if you think it might help. Diolch yn fawr iawn! Hywl fawr -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partitioning Questions
Thomas Steffen wrote: On 4/30/07, Stephen Garton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 2. How much space do I _need_ for /? A normal installation of Ubuntu (most of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, some of edubuntu, development tools, TeX and some simulation software) tends to come out at 5GB for me. You can get a away with a lot less if you choose your packages careful, but I think 10GB of the 80GB you have is not a bad start. I'm about to install Fiesty on a new 500Gb drive (to boot first in a dual boot set up with XP on a 160Gb drive in same box). I'm going to keep things simple: partitions for /, /home, and /swap, following advice in this thread. But how big should I make /, given that, if I wanted to, I could give it 100+Gb. How much is 'plenty enough for all contingencies', given that this is a home desktop box doing fairly routine stuff, plus acting as a music server to stream FLAC files to a couple of Slim Devices Squeezeboxes (hence the need for a big disc to hold the music files). TIA -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets [long reply]
norman wrote: ...My grandson, a windows user, bought a Freecom Digital TV DVB-T USB Stick Freeview receiver, plugged it in and off he went, no problem [SNIP] Norman I think you're pointing to something very important here. I started to make the mental shift towards Open Source/Linux when a few months ago, as an MS DOS/Windows power-user for years, I spent £200 on a SlimDevices Squeezebox and discovered that it had Open Source music server software, and didn't work as I wanted 'out of the box'. At first, being used to the 'plug play' simplicity of Windows, I got really annoyed at having to mess about in the innards of the software to get the thing to work. My mind ran on such thoughts as 'You sure as hell wouldn't buy one of these things for your Granny!' and 'How dare they charge £200 for something that doesn't work unless you devote your every waking hour to it for a fortnight?!?' (I did get it working fine - and it is awesome!) Then I gradually began to understand that I had entered a different country. Here, configuring, tweaking, searching forum posts, reading 'How-to' docs, and asking for help were the (acceptable) price to to pay for immense flexibility, and getting - or getting closer to - a device that I could endlessly adjust to my own 'wish list'. So when I tried out Linux (because someone gave me an old computer with no operating system), I was surprised to find that the 'do-it-yourself and help-each-other' world of SlimServer was actually a small corner of a whole universe that worked like this. And this changing consciousness, started by SlimServer, allowed me (just!) to get through the frustrating awfulness of trying to get my wifi PCMCIA card working with Dapper, which I had also installed on my laptop. I tell you, I did come very near giving up on Ubuntu that fortnight. But I didn't, because I'd imperceptibly shifted into a different relationship with the technology - just like moving to live in a foreign culture, and starting to appreciate and enjoy the different attitudes it embodied. So it was no real surprise to discover a little later that Linux and the Open Source movement were not just about technology but were embodiments of a pervading philosophy (cf Richahd Stallman, Founder of GNU, 'Free software is a matter of liberty not price'). And it's this difference of culture - actually a difference of reality - that leads to the conflicts between the opposing MS and Linux forces (like the conflicts among crowds of opposing supporters at international football matches, and for rather similar reasons). No amount of rational argument, sound logic, being clearly right, will convince someone on 'the other side'. What works, rather, is experiencing something of the quality behind Ubuntu. For me, that was almost accidental; but the opportunity might be offered more systematically: an invitation to 'come and see' without being pressurised or given the hard sell; noticing that Dell offers Ubuntu as an option when you're browsing their site; seeing a cheerful and well-written article in a university paper; seeing a poster for a free lunch-time talk, which, when you go, turns out to be lively and entertaining; doing an article (and offering a free support service?) in the local free press. My feeling, from my own experience, is that the key is offering people pleasant experiences associated with Ubuntu; being friendly, respectful, and helpful; giving people options and choices, rather than making them feel they have to sign up for something (live CD and easily-reversible dual boot are examples of this). Because the problem is that you have to help them get through the change of culture when it gets hard - and it will get hard. (If you've used Linux for years, or never had to make this change yourself, it's easy to underestimate this strength of this obstacle). Sorry to have gone on so long - I guess, being a recent convert and, worse yet, a product of university during the late 60's and early 70's when we invested such hope in 'Community', I'm a bit fired up about Ubuntu and the open source idea! Best wishes -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell picks Ubuntu for Linux PCs
Jim Kissel wrote: The wow really starts now! http://news.com.com/Dell+picks+Ubuntu+for+Linux+PCs/2100-7344_3-6180419.html Excellent news! But looks like only available in US for now. :( Have you seen any info re Dell making this available in UK? -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Mindmapping (was Loading Fiesty into Mac mini)
TheVeech wrote: On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 22:16 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: [SNIP] Nowadays (IIRC like Alan Pope) I'm sticking to GNOME programs, avoiding KDE. I use laptops as a rule, so this prevents resource waste seeing as though there's only one task I rely on - mindmapping - that isn't well covered by GNOME. I noticed your mention of mindmapping. What app do you use? -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] copies of posts
I wonder if anyone can advise re this. I'm not getting copies of my own posts to the list, though my subscription options have this set. Sorry to post about an admin matter, but I've e-mailed the listowners twice about this, and had no reply. Any suggestions about fixing this would be most welcome. (At one level, it's no big deal; but it's irritating 'cos it messes up the threading.) TIA -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] copies of posts
Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: On 29/04/07, I C McNab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if anyone can advise re this. I'm not getting copies of my own posts to the list, though my subscription options have this set. [SNIP] This because you're using Google Mail. It drops copies of your own mail coming back to you as it already has a copy (from when you sent it). Unfortunately, if you're not using the web interface that means you don't see the message coming back... Martin / Alan Thanks for very speedy replies (and on Sunday morning, too!). You're right: I'm using a Googlemail account via pop3/smtp. I was beginning to wonder whether this might be the issue - thanks for confirming and explaining. I'll subscribe from a different a/c. Many thanks, both. -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] copies of posts
Stephen Garton wrote: I C McNab wrote: [SNIP] Martin / Alan Thanks for very speedy replies (and on Sunday morning, too!). You're right: I'm using a Googlemail account via pop3/smtp. I was beginning to wonder whether this might be the issue - thanks for confirming and explaining. I'll subscribe from a different a/c. What I do, which is cheating, is just tell my client (Thunderbird) to save my sent messages to my inbox, where the filtering rules pick it up and thread it properly. Steve Neat trick! Thanks for the tip. -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Mindmapping (was Loading Fiesty into Mac mini)
TheVeech wrote: On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 07:29 +0100, I C McNab wrote: TheVeech wrote: On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 22:16 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: [SNIP] Nowadays (IIRC like Alan Pope) I'm sticking to GNOME programs, avoiding KDE. I use laptops as a rule, so this prevents resource waste seeing as though there's only one task I rely on - mindmapping - that isn't well covered by GNOME. I noticed your mention of mindmapping. What app do you use? -- Ian Hi. I've used: Vym http://www.insilmaril.de/vym/ Kdissert http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert.html and Freemind http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert.html There's some other apps that look interesting, but these three seem to be the major ones. I've heard OO.org being recommended, too, but this slows down the process. I didn't rate Vym. Kdissert I preferred out of all of them, but I can't justify installing the KDE libraries for one or two applications. Freemind, I'm waiting for version 0.9.0, which will hopefully work with java 6. There is a GNOME app: Labyrinth, I think, but, IIRC, it's in a very early stage of development. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mind_Mapping_software Thanks for all the info. From what you say, sounds like there's nothing quite like, say, MindManager (only on that other OS), then. :-( I'll follow up your recommendations. Best wishes -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] copies of posts
Toby Smithe wrote: [SNIP] Or you could install postfix and set your client to send e-mails not via Gmail's SMTP, but via your local sendmail. Toby Thanks for the suggestion; and if I were a bit less of a newbie with Linux I might have a go. (I will look into this option, though, and see whether it's within my competence). For the moment, Steve's suggestion of 'cheating' by copying sent mail to the account inbox in Thunderbird, and letting the filtering rules do the rest seems to be working. Best wishes -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with update manager after upgrade
Anders / Baz Just to close this thread, I have to report that the nag about the libpath-class-perl update has mysteriously stopped. Its a mystery. But thanks for your interest. -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with update manager after upgrade
Anders Many thanks for your advice. I'm now not sure this is actually a bug - someone on another forum mentioned exactly the same issue with chronic repeated update notifications about a libpath-class-perl update, but in 6.10. So I'm now wondering whether the fact it started when I upgraded may be a red herring. Anyone else come across this? -- Ian Anders Jacobsen wrote: Hi Ian, I'd report it over at Launchpad as a bug: [SNIP] On 4/22/07, I C McNab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I just successfully upgraded an elderly Compaq desktop from 6.10 to 7.04. But the update manager keeps telling me there's an update to install: libpath-class-perl - but it wants to upgrade to the version already installed: 'from ver 0.51-1 to ver 0.51-1'. When I do the update, apparently successfully, the update manager continues to report that the package needs to be installed. [SNIP]. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with update manager after upgrade
baz wrote: On Sun, 2007-04-22 at 22:09 +0100, I C McNab wrote: Anders Many thanks for your advice. I'm now not sure this is actually a bug - someone on another forum mentioned exactly the same issue with chronic repeated update notifications about a libpath-class-perl update, but in 6.10. So I'm now wondering whether the fact it started when I upgraded may be a red herring. Anyone else come across this? -- Ian I'm not seeing it here. Baz Baz Yes, I guessed it might not be a general issue. I wonder whether update-manager has some database or list somewhere of successful updates that I could tweak just to turn off the irritation (if that wouldn't cause serious problems?). Don't know enough about Linux to know where to look. Ideas welcome! -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video clips
alan c wrote: ...Is anyone finding they can play stuff from bbc please? It might give me some clues? Alan Realplayer 10 doesn't play in the BBC page itself; but I can use 'launch in a stand alone player', and that works fine. -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video clips
Tony Arnold wrote:
[SNIP]
On a side note, what is the best way to install RealPlayer on Edgy? I
previously downloaded it from the Real web site, but I thought it was in
the commercial repository now.
I installed it ('realplay') from the commercial repository.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Primer on networking - any recommendations
Colin Murphy wrote: Not of the TCP/IP type networking, but of the smb/nfs variety. [SNIP] So, anyone got any recommendations, preferably with a Linux bent 'cos my knowledge of Windows is minimal in this respect. Colin You may have already looked at this, but it seems to have some links to the sort of thing you're after. http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Samba Hope it's of some use. -- Ian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
Lucy wrote: [SNIP] The following howto is well worth reading for more information though: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ Lucy Thanks for the link to Val Henson's paper - brilliant! - should be required reading for everyone. ::Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
