Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Narendra Diwate]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Nitesh Mistry wrote:

> On the other hand, non-rolling
> distros enjoy more stability (though this is only my speculation as I
> have not used any rolling distro yet) as they don't provide drastically
> updated software packages in their stable archive.
>

I don't think that is true. Although i would consider myself less than
qualified to comment.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Nitesh Mistry]

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:11:24PM +0530, Sriranga(77yrsold) wrote:
> Nitish,
> Thanks for the valuable information. Which one is best in your experience.So
> Rolling distros is better

It is a matter of personal preference. Rolling distros have advantage,
that the users keep getting the latest software versions in their
updates as soon as they are released instead of waiting for six months
or so when their distro gets upgraded. On the other hand, non-rolling
distros enjoy more stability (though this is only my speculation as I
have not used any rolling distro yet) as they don't provide drastically
updated software packages in their stable archive.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Narendra Diwate]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Ritesh Sinha  wrote:

> If you want a minimal Ubuntu based you can start with the mini.iso
> file provided by Ubuntu and work your way up to install stuff that you
> need. If you like lightweight Desktop Environments I would highly
> recommend awesome3. I currently use this on my Ubuntu system. I'm
> addicted to apt-get so I like the option of having it around for easy
> package installs.
>
> The cons are that it will require a fair bit of package downloading as
> well as customization of the awesome rc.lua file for your needs. A
> tiling window manager is the best if you use a number of terminals
> etc. I try and use either the gmail web interface or mutt for email,
> irssi for irc and pidgin for other IM networks (you could rid yourself
> of pidgin too if you used bitlbee to run an IM gateway, allowing you
> to connect via irssi).
>
> All the best on your minimalist quest! :)
>

My requirement is minimalist +rolling. So a full rolling distro makes sense.
I had thought about the minimal ubuntu route, but obviously it is not
rolling.

awesome 3 - never heard about it frankly, so reading up on it now. However i
am not a poweruser or techie.

*From its site: awesome* is a highly configurable, next generation framework
window manager for X. It is very fast, extensible and licensed under the GNU
GPLv2 license . It is
primarly targeted at power users, developers and any people dealing with
every day computing tasks and who want to have fine-grained control on
theirs graphical environment.
AntiX also uses Apt-get and Synaptic, and a lot of Debian repos as it is
based on Mepis and debian.

I am a as-little-of-terminal-as-possible kind of guy.

Will try it for a while. Also it uses delta packages which i have been
hoping Ubuntu starts. Opensuse and Fedora have been using it for ages.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Ritesh Sinha]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Narendra Diwate
 wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Narendra Diwate
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> AntiX installed and typing this from it. Good OS. Very similar to Ubuntu,
>> but without a DE. Has IceWM and Fluxbox, so is quite light. About 1.7GB
>> installed. Dis not need to install anything to use Flash, mp3 etc. All out
>> of the box. Had tested it earlier (more than a month) in live mode.
>
>
> Even has mocp that i use on Ubuntu. Cool.
> Regards

If you want a minimal Ubuntu based you can start with the mini.iso
file provided by Ubuntu and work your way up to install stuff that you
need. If you like lightweight Desktop Environments I would highly
recommend awesome3. I currently use this on my Ubuntu system. I'm
addicted to apt-get so I like the option of having it around for easy
package installs.

The cons are that it will require a fair bit of package downloading as
well as customization of the awesome rc.lua file for your needs. A
tiling window manager is the best if you use a number of terminals
etc. I try and use either the gmail web interface or mutt for email,
irssi for irc and pidgin for other IM networks (you could rid yourself
of pidgin too if you used bitlbee to run an IM gateway, allowing you
to connect via irssi).

All the best on your minimalist quest! :)

>
> Narendra Diwate
>
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Narendra Diwate]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Narendra Diwate  wrote:

> Hi
>
> AntiX installed and typing this from it. Good OS. Very similar to Ubuntu,
> but without a DE. Has IceWM and Fluxbox, so is quite light. About 1.7GB
> installed. Dis not need to install anything to use Flash, mp3 etc. All out
> of the box. Had tested it earlier (more than a month) in live mode.
>


Even has mocp that i use on Ubuntu. Cool.
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

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Hi

AntiX installed and typing this from it. Good OS. Very similar to Ubuntu,
but without a DE. Has IceWM and Fluxbox, so is quite light. About 1.7GB
installed. Dis not need to install anything to use Flash, mp3 etc. All out
of the box. Had tested it earlier (more than a month) in live mode.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Sriranga(77yrsold)]

Nitish,
Thanks for the valuable information. Which one is best in your experience.So
Rolling distros is better
Regards,
-sriranga(77yrsold)

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Nitesh Mistry wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 07:50:46PM +0530, Sriranga(77yrsold) wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Kindly explain the  difference between Rolling  and non-rolling distros
> and
> > in what way has advantages, which is best , since I am newbie to linux
>
> I am very bad at explaining things, hence try this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release
>
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Ramnarayan.K]

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Narendra Diwate
 wrote:
>
>
> LMDE which came out recently is the one that I will certainly try when they
> come out with 64bit. I think i will be most comfortable with that.

see
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=141305

and if you want some humour with releases in general then see

http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/09/windows-vs-ubuntu-release-cycle.html

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Nitesh Mistry]

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 07:50:46PM +0530, Sriranga(77yrsold) wrote:
> Hello,
> Kindly explain the  difference between Rolling  and non-rolling distros and
> in what way has advantages, which is best , since I am newbie to linux

I am very bad at explaining things, hence try this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Sriranga(77yrsold)]

Hello,
Kindly explain the  difference between Rolling  and non-rolling distros and
in what way has advantages, which is best , since I am newbie to linux
cheers,
-sriranga(77yrsold)

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Narendra Diwate
wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Onkar Shinde wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Sanjay Bhangar 
>> wrote:
>> Gentoo and Archlinux are probably the two most popular rolling
>> distros. While gentoo is 'compile almost everything from source'
>> (hence based on source packages) archlinux is based on binary
>> packages.
>>
>> I have been using Debian testing for some time now on my laptop and I
>> haven't faced any major issue. Debian testing is a semi-rolling distro
>> because even that goes into freeze at least once every 2 years.
>
>
> While thinking about this, i did consider all the rolling release distro's
> out there. Gentoo was out as i am a non technical user. Sidux and Foresight
> as they are not available in 64bit. Debian testing again as I am a non tech
> user who would like to use a stable system.
>
> PCLinuxOS and AntiX are partial rolling releases i heard but not sure how.
> So that leaves Arch. Will wait till i am more comfortable with Terminal.
> LMDE which came out recently is the one that I will certainly try when they
> come out with 64bit. I think i will be most comfortable with that.
>
>
> Regards
>
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Narendra Diwate]

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Onkar Shinde  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Sanjay Bhangar 
> wrote:
> Gentoo and Archlinux are probably the two most popular rolling
> distros. While gentoo is 'compile almost everything from source'
> (hence based on source packages) archlinux is based on binary
> packages.
>
> I have been using Debian testing for some time now on my laptop and I
> haven't faced any major issue. Debian testing is a semi-rolling distro
> because even that goes into freeze at least once every 2 years.


While thinking about this, i did consider all the rolling release distro's
out there. Gentoo was out as i am a non technical user. Sidux and Foresight
as they are not available in 64bit. Debian testing again as I am a non tech
user who would like to use a stable system.

PCLinuxOS and AntiX are partial rolling releases i heard but not sure how.
So that leaves Arch. Will wait till i am more comfortable with Terminal.
LMDE which came out recently is the one that I will certainly try when they
come out with 64bit. I think i will be most comfortable with that.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

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On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Sanjay Bhangar  wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Narendra Diwate
>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> The other 2 are vacant. Ubuntu will stay for
>> a while till I get the nerve to move to a Rolling release. Any advice what
>> should i be trying considering the past few posts that you may have gone
>> thru. Obviously it should fit in the 7GB.
>>
>
> I used Sidux for some time and found it to be stable and quite good.
> Have a friend who's used it as his primary os for couple years now
> very happy with it..
> I think may need a decent internet connection to be able to do regular
> updates though.

Gentoo and Archlinux are probably the two most popular rolling
distros. While gentoo is 'compile almost everything from source'
(hence based on source packages) archlinux is based on binary
packages.

I have been using Debian testing for some time now on my laptop and I
haven't faced any major issue. Debian testing is a semi-rolling distro
because even that goes into freeze at least once every 2 years.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Sanjay Bhangar]

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Narendra Diwate
 wrote:
>
>
> The other 2 are vacant. Ubuntu will stay for
> a while till I get the nerve to move to a Rolling release. Any advice what
> should i be trying considering the past few posts that you may have gone
> thru. Obviously it should fit in the 7GB.
>

I used Sidux for some time and found it to be stable and quite good.
Have a friend who's used it as his primary os for couple years now
very happy with it..
I think may need a decent internet connection to be able to do regular
updates though.

best've luck,
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Narendra Diwate]

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Easwar Hariharan wrote:

> Windows XP fits in 5 GB space. Just that it doesn't leave any space
> for anything else to be installed after installing the drivers. ;) (my
> experiment) If you just want an OS, XP is for you,Vista/7 are
> definitely not.If you want a functional system along with the OS in 5
> GB of space, yep, Linux is the way to go.
>

I will certainly not go towards Redmond ever again. Not that XP or Win7 are
bad OS's but I have come to love Linux. Even when i was using XP, i never
had Virus or malware issues. I am a pretty safe and sensible user that way.
The unreliability of XP in case of a power outage or crash (i don't have a
UPS or laptop) was what forced me to Linux.

I was using a lot of free ware / fossware and Portable apps from
portableapps.com, portablefreeware.com and winpenpack. A few days ago had a
look at a W7 system and liked it. However even with very little apps it was
18.7GB. Thats more than many times all my data combined.

Thats also the reason i will not go towards Linux distros that occupy space
of a similar size. Thats where the simple and elegance of Arch, Debian and a
few others like AntiX comes in. Thats also the reason i like to play with
mini distros that fit in under 200MB iso with all desktop apps.

My partitioning is this: 2 Primaries of 7 GB each, swap of 2GB, 2 logicals
of 7 GB each and 3 data partitions of 40GB each for all data. The home for
ubuntu is not separated but resides in the same partition as /. The idea
with having 2 pri + 2 logicals was to experiment with distos. once of them
has ubuntu and one has Slitaz. The other 2 are vacant. Ubuntu will stay for
a while till I get the nerve to move to a Rolling release. Any advice what
should i be trying considering the past few posts that you may have gone
thru. Obviously it should fit in the 7GB.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

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On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Easwar Hariharan wrote:

>
> Windows XP fits in 5 GB space. Just that it doesn't leave any space
> for anything else to be installed after installing the drivers. ;) (my
> experiment) If you just want an OS, XP is for you,Vista/7 are
> definitely not.If you want a functional system along with the OS in 5
> GB of space, yep, Linux is the way to go.
>
> my root
/dev/sda7  22G   12G  8.3G  60% / (or toot)


Linux has tonnes of stuff installed - almost anything i could think of and
then some :-)

and dual wincedows (XP)


/dev/sda1  21G   15G  5.6G  73% /media/IBM_PRELOAD

Windows has quite a bit of open source stuff like ooo.org. gimp. audacity
etc and apart from the OS everything elses in FOSS

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

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> But surely I am a Rolling Release guy who is using Ubuntu till he is more
> comfortable with Linux in general. I am also a frugal guy who believes an OS
> should not use up a huge amount of HD space. So something that fits in 4-5
> GB max is what i will install.

Windows XP fits in 5 GB space. Just that it doesn't leave any space
for anything else to be installed after installing the drivers. ;) (my
experiment) If you just want an OS, XP is for you,Vista/7 are
definitely not.If you want a functional system along with the OS in 5
GB of space, yep, Linux is the way to go.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

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On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 03:21:50PM +0530, Narendra Diwate wrote:
> I remember i had started the discussion on Rolling releases.
> I have moved from Opensuse 9 to 10 to 11 and 11.1 and then to Ubuntu 9.10,
> 10.04 and will move to 10.10 when it comes out. This is to me is a lot of
> work that i would like to avoid. That was the logic and reasoning for the
> post. And I was looking at advice to install Arch, though the documentation
> is quite detailed, it needs a live internet connection that I dont have (See
> my other post about Sify, I need to login thru a browser). That is the only
> reason I backed out of Arch. Otherwise I like its philosophy of simple and
> elegant code and little cruft.
> 
> I also considered Sabayon and Sidux, as also AntiX, but decided to wait out,
> before taking the plunge.
> 
> I will install a rolling release for sure, when i am a little more
> experienced with both command line and trouble shooting.
> I read the Mint Debian Edition blog today and loved it, as it is a Rolling
> release. However i too will wait till 64bit comes out and the project
> matured a bit more.
> 
> And Linux Mint is not moving to debian as base, but merely releasing another
> edition based on Debian. I can install a few more distros on my system as i
> have free partitions available for them, but i am not just because they
> involve a big download.
> 
> But surely I am a Rolling Release guy who is using Ubuntu till he is more
> comfortable with Linux in general. I am also a frugal guy who believes an OS
> should not use up a huge amount of HD space. So something that fits in 4-5
> GB max is what i will install.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

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On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Ramnarayan.K  wrote:

> exact quote below
>
> and link at http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2010/09/07/linux-mint-9-debian/
>
> 1. Is LMDE compatible with Ubuntu-based Linux Mint editions?
>
> No, it is not. LMDE is compatible with Debian, which isn’t compatible
> with Ubuntu.
>

I remember i had started the discussion on Rolling releases.
I have moved from Opensuse 9 to 10 to 11 and 11.1 and then to Ubuntu 9.10,
10.04 and will move to 10.10 when it comes out. This is to me is a lot of
work that i would like to avoid. That was the logic and reasoning for the
post. And I was looking at advice to install Arch, though the documentation
is quite detailed, it needs a live internet connection that I dont have (See
my other post about Sify, I need to login thru a browser). That is the only
reason I backed out of Arch. Otherwise I like its philosophy of simple and
elegant code and little cruft.

I also considered Sabayon and Sidux, as also AntiX, but decided to wait out,
before taking the plunge.

I will install a rolling release for sure, when i am a little more
experienced with both command line and trouble shooting.
I read the Mint Debian Edition blog today and loved it, as it is a Rolling
release. However i too will wait till 64bit comes out and the project
matured a bit more.

And Linux Mint is not moving to debian as base, but merely releasing another
edition based on Debian. I can install a few more distros on my system as i
have free partitions available for them, but i am not just because they
involve a big download.

But surely I am a Rolling Release guy who is using Ubuntu till he is more
comfortable with Linux in general. I am also a frugal guy who believes an OS
should not use up a huge amount of HD space. So something that fits in 4-5
GB max is what i will install.
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Ramnarayan.K]

Hi


On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Nitesh Mistry  wrote:

> May be I am not reading it correctly, but, there is nothing in the above
> two articles to suggest that they are 'deviating from Ubuntu and going
> to be based directly off debian'.
>
> They only seem to be bringing out yet another edition of their Mint
> system which will be based on debian.

I suppose that would be the correct interpretation, thanks for making
this observation.

atleast for the rolling distribution they are clear that it would
"not" be compatible with Ubuntu

exact quote below

and link at http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2010/09/07/linux-mint-9-debian/

1. Is LMDE compatible with Ubuntu-based Linux Mint editions?

No, it is not. LMDE is compatible with Debian, which isn’t compatible
with Ubuntu.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

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On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 01:21:16PM +0530, Ramnarayan.K wrote:
> So now comes another major news.
> 
> Linux Mint is deviating from Ubuntu and going to be based directly of
> debian and its also going to be rolling releases.
> 
> see 
> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/linux-mint-based-on-debian-released-and.html
> 
> http://linuxmadeasy.blogspot.com/2010/09/linux-mint-debian-edition-1st.html

May be I am not reading it correctly, but, there is nothing in the above
two articles to suggest that they are 'deviating from Ubuntu and going
to be based directly off debian'.

They only seem to be bringing out yet another edition of their Mint
system which will be based on debian.

There are always differences among people on the sense of aesthetics and
usability and Linux Mint project is trying well to accomodate all by
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[ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

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Hi

Some time back we had a few mails about rolling distributions, we also
had some discussions about Ubuntu deriviatives.

So now comes another major news.

Linux Mint is deviating from Ubuntu and going to be based directly of
debian and its also going to be rolling releases.

see http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/linux-mint-based-on-debian-released-and.html

http://linuxmadeasy.blogspot.com/2010/09/linux-mint-debian-edition-1st.html

**
I think this is  major development, yes Ubuntu is all powerful,
possibly the most installed Linux Desktop. But like all good Open
Souce projects one of its forks is attempting something new and
striking.

These are still early days and 64 bit is as yet unavailable

but what it means is that debian fans - who don't want to work too
hard are going to get and easier look into debian.

ram

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