Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

On 11/2/07, nan budh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> *Parthan S R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
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> I Kindly request you to stop continuing|feeding any trolls and further
> comments in this thread.
> Hope I get everyone's support on this. :)
>
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Bhavi, why don't you just stop BLAHing and just QUIT.
As you can see, this troll derives entertainment from our replys. I
suggest that we dont reply to his mails at all, just ignore him, he
will wither and die.

Conclusion = Dont feed this troll.





/me writing last post on this thread
OK sorry for discussing on the mailing list...and sorry for top posting
But one thing... Everywhere what i found was encouragement to do a
particular thing.. If my ideas were wrong team members would come up with
some modifications and we would have an open one to one discussion. And
we would have mutual respect for each other as ubenteros But there was
no such term as FLAMING and deriving entertainment... You guys are singling
me out? and deriving entertainment from me? Is this the way you guys treat
any person who has some valid ideas and brain waves going? Please follow the
code of conduct and stop flaming others... I will come on the irc and sort
the issues out and make sure you guys get it staight and plain...

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[nan budh]

Parthan S R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I Kindly request you to stop 
continuing|feeding any trolls and further
comments in this thread. 
Hope I get everyone's support on this. :)

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ok parth no more now

   
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Soumyadip Modak]

Anyone who continues this thread is liable to be banned from the
mailing-list. Please stop this discussion and get on with life. Do
whatever you did before the start of this tiresome thread.

Bhavani, I'm warning you, *do not* top-post. Further violations will
result in expulsion from the mailing-list.



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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Parthan S R]

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> Bhavi, why don't you just stop BLAHing and just QUIT.
> 
I Kindly request you to stop continuing|feeding any trolls and further
comments in this thread. I do not think we are going to achieve any
good by continuing this thread. Please refrain from posting replies
and continuing this thread any more. The matter, if at all there is
anything very concerning to any one, can be discussed in #ubuntu-in @
irc.freenode.net or personally off the list.

Hope I get everyone's support on this. :)

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Mir Nazim]

I AM QUITING
I AM QUITING
I AM QUITING
BLAH BLAH BLAH

Bhavi, why don't you just stop BLAHing and just QUIT.


On 11/2/07, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 1, 2007 11:39 PM, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > No way i m quitting... Its really  sad  having  a  long  argument(Like a
> > brawl, and thereby creating a bad impression) for my ideas and you guys
> > tested me out on it I think so... No problems... any contradictions... I can
> > give n number of points and examples to illustrate it... and I said i was
> > quitting due to my own anger spilling the beans... and no tiredness at all!
> > I can linger on even if every one gives response negatively... (I am quite
> > acquainted at the answer tracker giving replies to n number of questions
> > even if the answer proposed is correct!).. I have come here to stay...
>
>  See we all appreciate your enthusiasm and we are willing to help you
> to acheive your goals. But we are now fed up with this ranting and
> brawl you create. Please com on IRC and let the issue be fixed once
> and for all. No one here is interested in watching Bhavani Shankar Vs
> Ubuntu India XI match.
>  So, kindly stop arguing and come to IRC for a discussion. And yes,
> stop testing our patience.
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Vivek Khurana]

On Nov 1, 2007 11:39 PM, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No way i m quitting... Its really  sad  having  a  long  argument(Like a
> brawl, and thereby creating a bad impression) for my ideas and you guys
> tested me out on it I think so... No problems... any contradictions... I can
> give n number of points and examples to illustrate it... and I said i was
> quitting due to my own anger spilling the beans... and no tiredness at all!
> I can linger on even if every one gives response negatively... (I am quite
> acquainted at the answer tracker giving replies to n number of questions
> even if the answer proposed is correct!).. I have come here to stay...

 See we all appreciate your enthusiasm and we are willing to help you
to acheive your goals. But we are now fed up with this ranting and
brawl you create. Please com on IRC and let the issue be fixed once
and for all. No one here is interested in watching Bhavani Shankar Vs
Ubuntu India XI match.
 So, kindly stop arguing and come to IRC for a discussion. And yes,
stop testing our patience.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[gaurav chaturvedi]

As you can see, this troll derives entertainment from our replys. I
suggest that we dont reply to his mails at all, just ignore him, he
will wither and die.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

On 11/1/07, nan budh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>
> *Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
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> OK I admit and I quit.I better do my media center work rather than
> stepping into the community
> Bhavani Shankar.
>
> Bhavani, please...Either quit or stay..its been maybe 10th time you r
> saying that u r quitting. cmon man. u do what u want to, its been a week now
> that you have been the center of controversy, are'nt u tired?
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No way i m quitting... Its really  sad  having  a  long  argument(Like a
brawl, and thereby creating a bad impression) for my ideas and you guys
tested me out on it I think so... No problems... any contradictions... I can
give n number of points and examples to illustrate it... and I said i was
quitting due to my own anger spilling the beans... and no tiredness at all!
I can linger on even if every one gives response negatively... (I am quite
acquainted at the answer tracker giving replies to n number of questions
even if the answer proposed is correct!).. I have come here to stay...

Regards
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

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Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK I admit and I quit.I 
better do my media center work rather than stepping into the community
 Bhavani Shankar.


Bhavani, please...Either quit or stay..its been maybe 10th time you r saying 
that u r quitting. cmon man. u do what u want to, its been a week now that you 
have been the center of controversy, are'nt u tired?

   
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

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On 11/1/07, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Why don't we just cut the crap!!


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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Vivek Khurana]

Are we going to havea discussion on IRC over thsi issue sometime in
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

- On 11/1/07, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Ok ok let me explain..
\--

Thanks for your reply.

I'll stop here.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

On 11/1/07, Shakthi Kannan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> - On 10/31/07, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | freedom)  you work along with  some one... and since everyone is treated
> on
> | par and everyone is experienced those corporate stuff of team leader and
> a
> \--
>
> That is not entirely true. Experience team leads or technical
> architects can be maintainers of projects/code, and can decide whether
> to accept a patch or code. Developers/testers are given the freedom to
> have a say, provided the code/documentation is clean.
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Ok ok let me explain.. A team Lead is not one who maintains all the
repositories documentation and every thing..  He is one who thinks
intuitively and has the power of imagination in the right direction.. and
one who is passionate and committed to the work he is doing.. Every other
thing follows suite

Kingsly mentioned about linus and shuttleworth... who was linus while he was
doing linux project? was he a phd with 150 papers behind him? He started
linux as his undergraduate project.. If he hadnt had his brainwaves going we
wouldnt have had the playground called linux today..

Who was sabdfl? Was he a computer programmer who did lots and lots of coding
with certificates to certify he is a programmer? He was a finance graduate
and the first African to be in space and he came across linux and had the
intuition that  he had  to give  a Linux  which is  more accessible to human
beings and so ubuntu  was  born

My dear mate, to start a project its  the passion and the intuitive thinking
and imagination in tje right direction more than experience... Experience
comes into play when you want to prove that your ideas are right infront of
people and if required argue with them and when something goes wrong  in
your own backyard and to tackle the problem which has arisen due to the
consequences...

My Pov about Indian members in general for example you buy a car you will
make certain modifications so that people appreciate and get attracted
towards your car... Does that mean that you are changing the branding of
your car? Its the case with manufacturers also.. I hope you are getting my
point...

and again if people were self motivated india would have been the top
country in this world.. But sadly its not so..

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

- On 10/31/07, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| freedom)  you work along with  some one... and since everyone is treated on
| par and everyone is experienced those corporate stuff of team leader and a
\--

That is not entirely true. Experience team leads or technical
architects can be maintainers of projects/code, and can decide whether
to accept a patch or code. Developers/testers are given the freedom to
have a say, provided the code/documentation is clean.

Also, please don't top-post, and don't write HTML e-mail.

Mailing list guidelines:
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

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+++ Bhavani Shankar R [2007-10-31 22:48:09]:

> yes definitely.so i respect each one of them... See my definition of team lead
> is entirely different.. See our community for example every one is qualified
> and every one is a developer.. In opensource rather than working under someone
> (that violates the definition  of opensource and foss  motto of freedom)  you
> work along with  some one... and since everyone is treated on par and 

I'm sorry that is not how things work. There is *always* an organisational
structure and in some cases it's explicit, in others not so explicit. 

If it wasn't so, I should be signing off as "SABDFL"

I don't have commit access to any of the repositories for open source
projects.  And that means I'm not equal to Linus with respect to the kernel,
and it's not a violation of the definition of open source or my freedoms.

And organisation structures exist in any grouping, watch some documentary on
animal behavior for proof.

What you are describing is called "Anarchy"

--being quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy --
Anarchy (from Greek: an-, "without" and Greek: -archy, "leadership")
Without leadership. Hence, the common use of anarchism as a system of
organization without leaders.
-- end quote-- 

> Secondly.. My pov in a single line of indian members is i told that a token of
> acknowledgement  would/can be given for those who contribute  to the
> community.. thereby instilling interest among newbies  thereby giving them  a 
> PUSH...  If  your answer  is  in the negative 

The FOSS world needs self-starters and self-motivated people, if someone
needs to be "pushed" they aren't cut out for the community. And not everyone
needs to be. Not everyone can be a Doctor or Lawyer the same applies to FOSS
contributors too.

If you need to be "pushed" to do something you should probably not be doing
it at all.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

 yes definitely.so i respect each one of them... See my definition of team
lead is entirely different.. See our community for example every one is
qualified and every one is a developer.. In opensource rather than working
under someone(that violates the definition  of opensource and foss  motto of
freedom)  you work along with  some one... and since everyone is treated on
par and everyone is experienced those corporate stuff of team leader and a
sir vagera vagera vanishes.. All of them work in the same community to make
the world a better place to live in rather than the day gone by... Any
takers on this?

Secondly.. My pov in a single line of indian members is i told that a token
of acknowledgement  would/can be given for those who contribute  to the
community.. thereby instilling interest among newbies  thereby giving them
a  PUSH...  If  your answer  is  in the negative Answer this question
please.. If everyone of the working mass was/were committed towards their
work without any push from others, India would have been a developed country
by now and would have easily surpassed America as the big daddy of universe
na?
Thirdly I see no wrong in our Indian community structure to say it sucks.. I
am just trying to say that it could be better if  some sort of modifications
are done to the team.. And I think i have proved my credentials on the
bigger ubuntu community to be here..:)
Finally I believe that getting people to contribute and running a team which
has many contributors is an art rather than the theory and science and
experience...
I ll never quit the team and i ll never talk on it also.. but this is for
granted that you can expect 100% committment from my side always...
Regards,
Bhavani Shankar.


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> +++ Bhavani Shankar R [2007-10-31 16:41:31]:
>
> > par mera hindi aur kannada bhashaiyo mein zara sa tight hold hain...
> > aur onde string bhashantara maadidhakke adhu nange kannada athava
> kannada
> > development gothilla anta alla... the way kingsly spoke was conveyning
> that
> > same meaning..
>
> I never questioned your skills or your kannada knowledge, the point I was
> making was about there being people "more qualified"/"more experienced"
> than
> you to "lead" such an effort and those people would most definitely not
> want
> to work "under" you.
>
> I'm sure a lot of people here admire your enthusiasm but you need to
> channel
> it in the right way and direction.
>
> First get it out of your head that everyone here is against you, or thinks
>
> lowly of you because you are a student, all of us were students once, and
> we
> never had half the opportunities you have today and we would like you to
> make the most of it.
>
> So please stop threatening to quit in every other email you send to the
> list.
> Leave that job to our politicians.
>
> Everyone here wants as many people involved as possible, but they also
> want
> people who will work with the team. Most people here are just advising you
> with good intentions their even if their tones may not be
> ultra-friendly(they have encountered such situations before and know how
> things turn out.), but they don't hate you or don't want you to succeed.
>
> Just like you can't walk into your College/University's Principal/VC's
> office
> and tell him/her that the indian education system sucks and so it needs to
> be changed right *NOW*. You can't do that in an established community
> either,
> work your way up until you have proven yourself and then your suggestions
> will be taken a lot more seriously.
>
> Most of the people here have been involved with Linux and other community
> related efforts much longer than you and you have to give some weightage
> to
> their experience/wisdom when they say it's not the right way to do
> something.
>
> > kingsly who is an ubuntumember i presume...
>
> No I'm not and have no intentions of ever being one.
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Kingsly John]

+++ Bhavani Shankar R [2007-10-31 16:41:31]:

> par mera hindi aur kannada bhashaiyo mein zara sa tight hold hain...
> aur onde string bhashantara maadidhakke adhu nange kannada athava kannada
> development gothilla anta alla... the way kingsly spoke was conveyning that
> same meaning.. 

I never questioned your skills or your kannada knowledge, the point I was
making was about there being people "more qualified"/"more experienced" than
you to "lead" such an effort and those people would most definitely not want
to work "under" you.

I'm sure a lot of people here admire your enthusiasm but you need to channel
it in the right way and direction.

First get it out of your head that everyone here is against you, or thinks
lowly of you because you are a student, all of us were students once, and we
never had half the opportunities you have today and we would like you to
make the most of it.

So please stop threatening to quit in every other email you send to the list.
Leave that job to our politicians.

Everyone here wants as many people involved as possible, but they also want
people who will work with the team. Most people here are just advising you
with good intentions their even if their tones may not be
ultra-friendly(they have encountered such situations before and know how
things turn out.), but they don't hate you or don't want you to succeed.

Just like you can't walk into your College/University's Principal/VC's office
and tell him/her that the indian education system sucks and so it needs to
be changed right *NOW*. You can't do that in an established community either,
work your way up until you have proven yourself and then your suggestions
will be taken a lot more seriously.

Most of the people here have been involved with Linux and other community
related efforts much longer than you and you have to give some weightage to
their experience/wisdom when they say it's not the right way to do something. 

> kingsly who is an ubuntumember i presume...

No I'm not and have no intentions of ever being one.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

But one thing see I am doing the documentation and gaming part of umc and
helping out umc guys in their website redesign... and I m close with the
ubuntu marketing team also.. Its just that I have no time to update my wiki
is digging me in.. and also I am working on ubuntu security live cd.. and I
am also active in answer tracker answering to newbies questions along side
my academics.. and I admit that i m still learning french snd one string has
glaring mistakes.. par mera hindi aur kannada bhashaiyo mein zara sa tight
hold hain...
aur onde string bhashantara maadidhakke adhu nange kannada athava kannada
development gothilla anta alla... the way kingsly spoke was conveyning that
same meaning.. Nandu yenu guri andare kannada localisation nidhanakke idhe
so just thought of collaborating with vikram vincent also who is kannada
coordinator for debian.. and my good freind.. 12% aagidhe aste.. and I am
serious on contributing
moreover that Since am a physically disabled guy who cant walk properly and
has to type in one hand.. and being a student doesnt give anyone the right
to flame upon me.. I am a proud citizen of my country as others are and I
have every right to mathaadakke and express my ideas and myself.. I am
disaffiliating myself from indian loco team and the mailing list after
seeing this I am deeply hurt.. I have due respect to each and everyone in
the community and ofcourse kingsly who is an ubuntumember i presume...
Go Ubuntu India.!
Bhavani Shankar
Shaan hain hindustani hone ke liye


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> Hmm, better for now I guess. Take some time out and try realizing your
> project in a better light, you might get some brainwaves!
> And best of luck with your media center.
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Lut4rp]

Hmm, better for now I guess. Take some time out and try realizing your
project in a better light, you might get some brainwaves!
And best of luck with your media center.

:)
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

OK I admit and I quit.I better do my media center work rather than
stepping into the community
Bhavani Shankar.


On 10/31/07, Kingsly John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> +++ Bhavani Shankar R [2007-10-31 13:29:13]:
>
> > Not at all.. See one thing i have observed while i go to a talk is
> mainly
> > students ask whether there is recognition if we do something for the
> community
> > without having a page which describes the team participation and sort of
> stuff?
>
> The FOSS world is a meritocracy you are have to prove yourself by your
> actions and work. Websites, Forums and Announcements/Publicity are
> secondary
> to actual programming/code contribution/releases. Whereas in the world of
> proprietary software, it's the exact opposite you first have the website
> and
> publicity in place.. the software comes last.
>
> You are going about it in the exact wrong order. You want a page with your
> name on it, even before you have actually contributed anything!
> Which is not the way things work in the FOSS world.
>
> You claimed that the Ubuntu-Bangalore team was about kannada localisation
> efforts.
>
> Your total contribution to the kannada localisation effort is "One Word"
> according to launchpad. https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/~bhavi/
>
> Just about every single person listed here
> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+lang/kn
> has contributed more to the Kannada localisation effort than you.
>
> Why should they be willing to work under you, when they have clearly more
> experience and proven contributions ?
>
> (BTW Sticking with translations, "Google Earth" would translated to
> "Google
> Prithvi" and not "Google Duniya" , Duniya = World. And your french
> translations have glaring mistakes which stick out to native french
> speakers. Avoid contributing translations in languages you aren't fluent
> in.)
>
> If you see a problem with how the localisation team is going about
> their work, join the team and help them work better. Nobody here is
> claiming
> that they are perfect. And are more than willing to change the way things
> work if shown a more efficient/beneficial way of doing things.
>
> > (I mean contributing locally) because of the fact that many engineering
> > students will have on campus placements and there the people who come as
> > interviewers ask for proof of contribution if he/she has done so...
>
> Proof of contribution doesn't necessarily have to be your name on the
> wall.
>
> A mother doesn't maintain a log about everything she's done for her
> child to prove that she's contributed to her children's development.
>
> If you are proven contributor, even if your name isn't listed anywhere the
> senior/active members of the project will know who you are and they will
> be
> more than happy to be a referee you can list on your resume.
>
> If you are looking for a job that is related to Linux/open source in India
> you are missing the point that most of the members on this and other lists
> are already working in those companies. And if you came across as a "doer
> of
> things" and one who walks the walk and doesn't just talk the talk they
> would
> be more than happy to recommend you for a job in their own company.
> (Actions
> speak louder than words... and all we have seen from you so far is words)
>
> I'm sure there are enough people here who would tell you that they have
> landed jobs that way, because someone in the community noticed their work.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Kingsly John]

+++ Bhavani Shankar R [2007-10-31 13:29:13]:

> Not at all.. See one thing i have observed while i go to a talk is mainly
> students ask whether there is recognition if we do something for the community
> without having a page which describes the team participation and sort of 
> stuff?

The FOSS world is a meritocracy you are have to prove yourself by your
actions and work. Websites, Forums and Announcements/Publicity are secondary
to actual programming/code contribution/releases. Whereas in the world of
proprietary software, it's the exact opposite you first have the website and
publicity in place.. the software comes last.

You are going about it in the exact wrong order. You want a page with your
name on it, even before you have actually contributed anything!
Which is not the way things work in the FOSS world.

You claimed that the Ubuntu-Bangalore team was about kannada localisation 
efforts.

Your total contribution to the kannada localisation effort is "One Word"
according to launchpad. https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/~bhavi/

Just about every single person listed here
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+lang/kn
has contributed more to the Kannada localisation effort than you.

Why should they be willing to work under you, when they have clearly more
experience and proven contributions ?

(BTW Sticking with translations, "Google Earth" would translated to "Google
Prithvi" and not "Google Duniya" , Duniya = World. And your french
translations have glaring mistakes which stick out to native french
speakers. Avoid contributing translations in languages you aren't fluent in.) 

If you see a problem with how the localisation team is going about
their work, join the team and help them work better. Nobody here is claiming
that they are perfect. And are more than willing to change the way things
work if shown a more efficient/beneficial way of doing things.

> (I mean contributing locally) because of the fact that many engineering
> students will have on campus placements and there the people who come as
> interviewers ask for proof of contribution if he/she has done so... 

Proof of contribution doesn't necessarily have to be your name on the wall.

A mother doesn't maintain a log about everything she's done for her
child to prove that she's contributed to her children's development.

If you are proven contributor, even if your name isn't listed anywhere the
senior/active members of the project will know who you are and they will be
more than happy to be a referee you can list on your resume.

If you are looking for a job that is related to Linux/open source in India
you are missing the point that most of the members on this and other lists
are already working in those companies. And if you came across as a "doer of
things" and one who walks the walk and doesn't just talk the talk they would
be more than happy to recommend you for a job in their own company. (Actions
speak louder than words... and all we have seen from you so far is words)

I'm sure there are enough people here who would tell you that they have
landed jobs that way, because someone in the community noticed their work.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Parthan S R]

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Bhavani Shankar R wrote:
> Bang on the spot, Gora. I don't think after this Bhavi should have
> any confusions.
>
> Not at all.. See one thing i have observed while i go to a talk is
> mainly students ask whether there is recognition if we do something
>  for the community without having a page which describes the team
> participation and sort of stuff?(I mean contributing locally)
> because of the fact that many engineering students will have on
> campus placements and there the people who come as interviewers ask
>  for proof of contribution if he/she has done so...
Recognition is achieved naturally as you contribute more and more.
FOSS doesn't believe in paper certificates a lot, what we believe are
solid contributions in terms of code, docs, translation, support etc.
Thus, in FOSS world, the way to prove your contribution is to show the
code you wrote, projects you contributed, documents you wrote etc. It
is our duty to make the students understand this difference if we are
going to talk them and motivate them for contributing to FOSS.

In case of placements, rather than showing numerous paper certificates
it will be more effective to boldly say that your projects are in
sourceforge or google-code and they can download, install and try them
if they want. Also you can proudly say they this-number-of-users
benefited from your contribution, which is not possible in non-FOSS
scenario.

Btw, I do not think those who come for on-campus placements mind a lot
about projects you do etc. Their recruitment process is something
different which concentrates on various other things like aptitude,
communication etc. than in terms of contribution by code or other
means. This is the case in most companies which turn up for campuses
though there might be some exceptions.

==IMPORTANT==

Please chop off those portions of earlier mails that you do not
directly reply to and have only those few lines which you specifically
reply to. Similarly, if you are just adding your points and need not
have the earlier post for quoting please remove it and just maintain
the subject line to be on the same thread. Else, if you do as you did
now, you mails will end up for moderation request as it will be too
big than the normal allowed mail size in the list. It is an additional
task for the mail admin and mods to check your mail and approve it
every time.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

Bang on the spot, Gora. I don't think after this Bhavi should have any
confusions.

Not at all.. See one thing i have observed while i go to a talk is mainly
students ask whether there is recognition if we do something for the
community without having a page which describes the team participation and
sort of stuff?(I mean contributing locally) because of the fact that many
engineering students will have on campus placements and there the people who
come as interviewers ask for proof of contribution if he/she has done so...
See its because of the simple fact that in theory, theory and practice are
the same but not so in practice... I hope so you are getting my POV..
So based on this i presented my POV in my earlier mail..
Bhavani Shankar.

On 10/31/07, Mir Nazim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 10/31/07, Gora Mohanty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 11:53 +0530, Bhavani Shankar R wrote:
> > > OK... Done I quit from every thing...
> >
> > Dear Bhavani,
> >   I am not sure what I can add to this thread without fanning
> > the flames further, but here is an attempt anyway. Let me
> > preface these comments with the following:
> >   o You certainly seem to have a lot of energy, and enthusiasm.
> > I would ask you to try to channelise these in productive
> > ways.
> >   o One thing that you need to ask yourself is why you are
> > doing all this work. You probably do not see it in that
> > way, but at least some of it comes across as self-promotion.
> > In the FOSS community, recognition usually follows from a
> > willingness to work together, and it is folly to demand it
> > a priori.
> >   o You say that you want to build a Ubuntu India, and/or a
> > localisation community. This is good, except that a
> > community is *not* built by unilaterally taking steps, and
> > expecting people to fall in line. This does not work even
> > one's acts are well-intentioned. While it can get annoying
> > at times, there is just no short-cut around building a
> > consensus among the group.
> > I do not see that anything is irretrievably lost, and I for one
> > would be sad to see you leave the Ubuntu India community in such
> > a manner. Please do come to the IRC meet (can someone announce a
> > time), and let us all have a calm conversation.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gora
> >
> >
>
> Bang on the spot, Gora. I don't think after this Bhavi should have any
> confusions.
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Mir Nazim]

On 10/31/07, Gora Mohanty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 11:53 +0530, Bhavani Shankar R wrote:
> > OK... Done I quit from every thing...
>
> Dear Bhavani,
>   I am not sure what I can add to this thread without fanning
> the flames further, but here is an attempt anyway. Let me
> preface these comments with the following:
>   o You certainly seem to have a lot of energy, and enthusiasm.
> I would ask you to try to channelise these in productive
> ways.
>   o One thing that you need to ask yourself is why you are
> doing all this work. You probably do not see it in that
> way, but at least some of it comes across as self-promotion.
> In the FOSS community, recognition usually follows from a
> willingness to work together, and it is folly to demand it
> a priori.
>   o You say that you want to build a Ubuntu India, and/or a
> localisation community. This is good, except that a
> community is *not* built by unilaterally taking steps, and
> expecting people to fall in line. This does not work even
> one's acts are well-intentioned. While it can get annoying
> at times, there is just no short-cut around building a
> consensus among the group.
> I do not see that anything is irretrievably lost, and I for one
> would be sad to see you leave the Ubuntu India community in such
> a manner. Please do come to the IRC meet (can someone announce a
> time), and let us all have a calm conversation.
>
> Regards,
> Gora
>
>

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confusions.
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Gora Mohanty]

On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 11:53 +0530, Bhavani Shankar R wrote:
> OK... Done I quit from every thing...

Dear Bhavani,
  I am not sure what I can add to this thread without fanning
the flames further, but here is an attempt anyway. Let me
preface these comments with the following:
  o You certainly seem to have a lot of energy, and enthusiasm.
I would ask you to try to channelise these in productive
ways.
  o One thing that you need to ask yourself is why you are
doing all this work. You probably do not see it in that
way, but at least some of it comes across as self-promotion.
In the FOSS community, recognition usually follows from a
willingness to work together, and it is folly to demand it
a priori.
  o You say that you want to build a Ubuntu India, and/or a
localisation community. This is good, except that a
community is *not* built by unilaterally taking steps, and
expecting people to fall in line. This does not work even
one's acts are well-intentioned. While it can get annoying
at times, there is just no short-cut around building a
consensus among the group.
I do not see that anything is irretrievably lost, and I for one
would be sad to see you leave the Ubuntu India community in such
a manner. Please do come to the IRC meet (can someone announce a
time), and let us all have a calm conversation.

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

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On 10/30/07, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was saddened by the cannons thrown on me so I said I ll wrap up if the
> others dont like it... I ll change the team name to Karnataka team and I ll
> go on with my ideas about kannada localisation... and about my other ideas..
> I want to explain it to you guys precisely.. SO I want a couple of keen ears
> to listen on the irc.. I will come on the irc tommorow night at10.00 pm
> ist.. where I will be discussing about the same...
> Looking forward to your support
> Bhavani Shankar.
>
>
> On 10/30/07, Jayanth S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'm all up for Kannada Localisation of Ubuntu.. BUt i guess it could
> > have been done without having to split groups and take sides.. Anyways, I
> > still think you were quite Kiddish in wrapping everything up.. Because that
> > just shows that you werent serious enough about it.. Coming up with a
> > satisfactory explaination for what you had done would have helped..
> >
> > To give you an example, a Kannada Local Team for Ubuntu would have made
> > more sense than a Bangalore Ubuntu Users or somthing like that.. Set your
> > purposes straight and i guess people will appreciate it.. And there is NO
> > NEED for seperate communities for each and every thing.. YOu would have the
> > support and help from a much experienced and strong team when you stick to
> > one list(This List For Example)..
> >
> > You want to help the Ubuntu Community, that i appreciate, but the
> > Know-It-All is somthing which will regress more..
> > --
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> > http://www.amonks.in
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Again, YOu're not getting my point.. Discuss all your TEam stuff here..
YOu'll get more support from members who have more experience in what you
are trying to achieve... I would really think its best to dissolve the
karnataka team, use this common channel/medium to achieve Kannada
Localisation..

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

I was saddened by the cannons thrown on me so I said I ll wrap up if the
others dont like it... I ll change the team name to Karnataka team and I ll
go on with my ideas about kannada localisation... and about my other ideas..
I want to explain it to you guys precisely.. SO I want a couple of keen ears
to listen on the irc.. I will come on the irc tommorow night at10.00 pm
ist.. where I will be discussing about the same...
Looking forward to your support
Bhavani Shankar.


On 10/30/07, Jayanth S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm all up for Kannada Localisation of Ubuntu.. BUt i guess it could have
> been done without having to split groups and take sides.. Anyways, I still
> think you were quite Kiddish in wrapping everything up.. Because that just
> shows that you werent serious enough about it.. Coming up with a
> satisfactory explaination for what you had done would have helped..
>
> To give you an example, a Kannada Local Team for Ubuntu would have made
> more sense than a Bangalore Ubuntu Users or somthing like that.. Set your
> purposes straight and i guess people will appreciate it.. And there is NO
> NEED for seperate communities for each and every thing.. YOu would have the
> support and help from a much experienced and strong team when you stick to
> one list(This List For Example)..
>
> You want to help the Ubuntu Community, that i appreciate, but the
> Know-It-All is somthing which will regress more..
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Jayanth S]

I'm all up for Kannada Localisation of Ubuntu.. BUt i guess it could have
been done without having to split groups and take sides.. Anyways, I still
think you were quite Kiddish in wrapping everything up.. Because that just
shows that you werent serious enough about it.. Coming up with a
satisfactory explaination for what you had done would have helped..

To give you an example, a Kannada Local Team for Ubuntu would have made more
sense than a Bangalore Ubuntu Users or somthing like that.. Set your
purposes straight and i guess people will appreciate it.. And there is NO
NEED for seperate communities for each and every thing.. YOu would have the
support and help from a much experienced and strong team when you stick to
one list(This List For Example)..

You want to help the Ubuntu Community, that i appreciate, but the
Know-It-All is somthing which will regress more..
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Parthan S R]

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Dear Bhavani,

Sorry, I wished to take this off list but decided to keep the reply on
archive for one last time.

Bhavani Shankar R wrote:
> After this response I am banning myself from the community because
> its not worth contributing anything to the team... I am really very
>  sad and sorry to say this... I thought of starting a Kannada
> localisation sprint in ubuntu so i started an Ubuntu bangalore team
> ref:
> http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Bangalore#Ubuntu_Bangalore_Team
> 
> 
>  and https://edge.launchpad.net/~bagalore-uug
>  and I have started a
> subforum also on the ubuntu india forums ref:
> http://ubuntu.techjugaad.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=35b0e3d8b2bc8421dfc323e3cb759969&board=17.0
>
>
> and after this response I will close down my team and contact
> pratul for the closure of the forums also because of the above
> stated reason..
>
If I can ask, what's there in your mind? I openly called you to come
to the IRC channel were most of the people who are holding official
and moral responsibilities within the team are present, and discuss
your ideas or problems over there.

Wrapping up the mess you have done in the last 1 week is not a
solution. We are not people who are against your enthusiastic
endeavors in any sense, we are only concerned of the over-enthusiasm
in your past mails and sudden opening up of lots of parallel teams
whose goal we weren't really been able to understand. If your aims
were really pristine and genuine you should have rather resorted to
talking to us guys on IRC.

You can report this to any body of higher ranks in the Ubuntu
community but also remember that you have left enough tracks to prove
that you were a bit over-enthusiastic and weren't very clear about
stating and convincing your goals to the loco team.

Taking a parallel case, Pratul wished to start a forum for the loco
team which even I initially opposed until he was clear in his stance
and more members felt he might be right too. And all he did was under
the Ubuntu-Inida loco team banner, after proper prior discussion and
knowing the opinion from the team. Thus he ended up getting favored to
start and take care of the forum. IMHO, this is a more favorable and
matured way to start new things within the team and I really
congratulate him for that.

Now go back and look at the mailing list archives on all the mails
from us around your mails to the list. There was always a confusion
within the members on why and what are you trying to do. In addition,
so far we have been, to the best of our knowledge, polite enough in
replying to you despite the fact a lot of us were indeed a bit
frustrated on things happening.

I agree to the fact that you gave good enough karma points than me or
many of the team members who had replied you. But that doesn't make
any difference in the community sense where every one is given equal
respect. We have no obligation in you taking the leadership cap or any
similar things, but we just asked you to show some maturity required
to lead a team like Ubuntu India Loco Team. But your way of handling
this issue has only given us the impression of you to be
yet-to-mature-kid (in no sense of disrespect), due to which we have to
think more on accepting your ideas. We have been too in the community
for the past 5-6 years minimum, not just Ubuntu but a lot of other
communities too. We too have crossed things from being a newbie in
good-old-days to our present situation of handling responsibilities in
the community.

Even now, we whole heartedly want to help you out and make you achieve
your actual genuine goals in the FOSS world. It's now up to you to
decide whether you are going to sit across the table and hear|learn
things, or going to fire your canons on your own feet :)

Good Luck! :)

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

OK... Done I quit from every thing...
I consider my self as a candidate for a ban if I get a clear explaination
from anyone of them regarding the above..
Regards
Bhavani Shnkar.


On 10/30/07, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OK... Done I quit from every thing... But please do answer my question(s)
> Out of 600 odd members of our loco team are all of them contributing
> substantially (towards ubuntu only)? Because This IS AN UBUNTU INDIAN LOCAL
> COMMUNITY.. If your answer is in the negetive then  this would be better of
> as a linux india community... Which i presume is already there..:)
> My PoV is that to get existing contributors of the team together which
> will have its own special recognition and there by encouraging other members
> of the community to contribute to our Team(/me noticing influx of newbies
> into our team is on the rise) Thereby infusing interest among the people and
> hence publicising our community which thereby helps spread ubuntu faster...
>
> Secondly where is our loco team head and who is taking care of the team
> presently? This question is legally valid and a right question under Indian
> Constitution Right To Information (RTI) act 2005.
> Regards,
> Bhavani Shankar
>
>  On 10/30/07, Kartik Mistry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On 10/30/07, Bhavani Shankar wrote:
> > > its my work and  i am trying to model our indian loco team on par with
> >
> > > ubuntu... My aim is to make indian team the best loco team in the
> > world...
> > > Me on ubuntu Please take a look at
> > https:/edge.launchpad.net/~bhavi  and
> > > more on Indian members ref this:
> > > https://edge.launchpad.net/~indmembers
> >
> > Again. Please. What is need of model loco team when team is already
> > there? We can't understand your void efforts. Really.
> >
> > > I am not doing any fun over here.. and I mean it.. I am busy in the
> > ubuntu
> > > media center work  and busy in drafing a spec on ubuntu beginners kit
> > so as
> > > to enable easy switching of newbies to ubuntu and fastening shipit...
> >
> > Oh. Really. You can do your work there. No issue. But, don't try to
> > create million of community and frag it.
> >
> > > And I am
> > > going to take this issue to my two good freinds at the answer tracker
> > Alan
> > > pope (Popey) at #ubuntu-locoteams and Jim hutchinson and matthew
> > > east(mdke) about excessive flaming and My explaination for my work
> > done..
> >
> > Feel free to complain all about us. Tell them that you created all
> > community for shake of 'Karma' points too. Tell them that you are
> > starting #ubuntu-foo (where foo is your favorite locality) too. Tell
> > them that you can't hear request.
> >
> > > I am really
> > > saddened by your attitude towards a senior member in the community
> > just
> > > because he is a student After this response I am banning myself
> > from the
> > > community because its not worth contributing anything to the team... I
> > am
> > > really very sad and sorry to say this...
> >
> > Please do so. RIP.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > ---
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

OK... Done I quit from every thing... But please do answer my question(s)
Out of 600 odd members of our loco team are all of them contributing
substantially (towards ubuntu only)? Because This IS AN UBUNTU INDIAN LOCAL
COMMUNITY.. If your answer is in the negetive then  this would be better of
as a linux india community... Which i presume is already there..:)
My PoV is that to get existing contributors of the team together which will
have its own special recognition and there by encouraging other members of
the community to contribute to our Team(/me noticing influx of newbies into
our team is on the rise) Thereby infusing interest among the people and
hence publicising our community which thereby helps spread ubuntu faster...
Secondly where is our loco team head and who is taking care of the team
presently? This question is legally valid and a right question under Indian
Constitution Right To Information (RTI) act 2005.
Regards,
Bhavani Shankar

On 10/30/07, Kartik Mistry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 10/30/07, Bhavani Shankar wrote:
> > its my work and  i am trying to model our indian loco team on par with
> > ubuntu... My aim is to make indian team the best loco team in the
> world...
> > Me on ubuntu Please take a look at https:/edge.launchpad.net/~bhavi  and
> > more on Indian members ref this:
> > https://edge.launchpad.net/~indmembers
>
> Again. Please. What is need of model loco team when team is already
> there? We can't understand your void efforts. Really.
>
> > I am not doing any fun over here.. and I mean it.. I am busy in the
> ubuntu
> > media center work  and busy in drafing a spec on ubuntu beginners kit so
> as
> > to enable easy switching of newbies to ubuntu and fastening shipit...
>
> Oh. Really. You can do your work there. No issue. But, don't try to
> create million of community and frag it.
>
> > And I am
> > going to take this issue to my two good freinds at the answer tracker
> Alan
> > pope (Popey) at #ubuntu-locoteams and Jim hutchinson and matthew
> > east(mdke) about excessive flaming and My explaination for my work
> done..
>
> Feel free to complain all about us. Tell them that you created all
> community for shake of 'Karma' points too. Tell them that you are
> starting #ubuntu-foo (where foo is your favorite locality) too. Tell
> them that you can't hear request.
>
> > I am really
> > saddened by your attitude towards a senior member in the community just
> > because he is a student After this response I am banning myself from
> the
> > community because its not worth contributing anything to the team... I
> am
> > really very sad and sorry to say this...
>
> Please do so. RIP.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> ---
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Kartik Mistry]

On 10/30/07, Bhavani Shankar wrote:
> its my work and  i am trying to model our indian loco team on par with
> ubuntu... My aim is to make indian team the best loco team in the world...
> Me on ubuntu Please take a look at https:/edge.launchpad.net/~bhavi  and
> more on Indian members ref this:
> https://edge.launchpad.net/~indmembers

Again. Please. What is need of model loco team when team is already
there? We can't understand your void efforts. Really.

> I am not doing any fun over here.. and I mean it.. I am busy in the ubuntu
> media center work  and busy in drafing a spec on ubuntu beginners kit so as
> to enable easy switching of newbies to ubuntu and fastening shipit...

Oh. Really. You can do your work there. No issue. But, don't try to
create million of community and frag it.

> And I am
> going to take this issue to my two good freinds at the answer tracker Alan
> pope (Popey) at #ubuntu-locoteams and Jim hutchinson and matthew
> east(mdke) about excessive flaming and My explaination for my work done..

Feel free to complain all about us. Tell them that you created all
community for shake of 'Karma' points too. Tell them that you are
starting #ubuntu-foo (where foo is your favorite locality) too. Tell
them that you can't hear request.

> I am really
> saddened by your attitude towards a senior member in the community just
> because he is a student After this response I am banning myself from the
> community because its not worth contributing anything to the team... I am
> really very sad and sorry to say this...

Please do so. RIP.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

After this response I am banning myself from the community because its not
worth contributing anything to the team... I am really very sad and sorry to
say this...
I thought of starting a Kannada localisation sprint in ubuntu so i started
an Ubuntu bangalore team ref:
http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Bangalore#Ubuntu_Bangalore_Team
and
https://edge.launchpad.net/~bagalore-uug

and I have started a subforum also on the ubuntu india forums ref:

http://ubuntu.techjugaad.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=35b0e3d8b2bc8421dfc323e3cb759969&board=17.0
and after this response I will close down my team and contact pratul for the
closure of the forums also because of the above stated reason..
Thanks.
Bhavani Shankar.
Ubuntu Tech support and umc gaming and documentation lead and a proud
ubentero and a tux user..


On 10/30/07, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

>  Ban this user. He dosnt give a crap about ubuntu or foss or whatever.
> He just thinks it fun to troll this mailing lists.
>
> its my work and  i am trying to model our indian loco team on par with
> ubuntu... My aim is to make indian team the best loco team in the world...
> Me on ubuntu Please take a look at https:/edge.launchpad.net/~bhavi  and
> more on Indian members ref this:
> https://edge.launchpad.net/~indmembers
> I am not doing any fun over here.. and I mean it.. I am busy in the
> ubuntu  media center work  and busy in drafing a spec on ubuntu beginners
> kit so as to enable easy switching of newbies to ubuntu and fastening
> shipit...so i am not albe to concentrate on Indubuntu Work (For gaurav
> chaturvedi's reference) and I ll give my explaination on this in a new
> topic..And I am going to take this issue to my two good freinds at the
> answer tracker Alan pope (Popey) at #ubuntu-locoteams and Jim hutchinson and
> matthew east(mdke) about excessive flaming and My explaination for my work
> done.. I am really saddened by your attitude towards a senior member in the
> community just because he is a student After this response I am banning
> myself from the community because its not worth contributing anything to the
> team... I am really very sad and sorry to say this...
> Really saddening to see the response...
> Bhavani Shankar
>
>
>  On 10/30/07, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > On 10/30/07, Parthan S R < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > Hi Team Mates,
> > >
> > > Please keep your heads cool. We know these things have been disturbing
> >
> >
> > /me sings
> >
> > Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram
> > Pati Tapavan Sita Ram
> > Eeshwar Allah Tero Naam
> > Sab Ko Sanmati De Bhagwan
> >
> > :-p
> >
> > regards
> > VK
> > --
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

 Ban this user. He dosnt give a crap about ubuntu or foss or whatever.
He just thinks it fun to troll this mailing lists.

its my work and  i am trying to model our indian loco team on par with
ubuntu... My aim is to make indian team the best loco team in the world...
Me on ubuntu Please take a look at https:/edge.launchpad.net/~bhavi  and
more on Indian members ref this:
https://edge.launchpad.net/~indmembers
I am not doing any fun over here.. and I mean it.. I am busy in the ubuntu
media center work  and busy in drafing a spec on ubuntu beginners kit so as
to enable easy switching of newbies to ubuntu and fastening shipit...so i am
not albe to concentrate on Indubuntu Work (For gaurav chaturvedi's
reference) and I ll give my explaination on this in a new topic..And I am
going to take this issue to my two good freinds at the answer tracker Alan
pope (Popey) at #ubuntu-locoteams and Jim hutchinson and matthew east(mdke)
about excessive flaming and My explaination for my work done.. I am really
saddened by your attitude towards a senior member in the community just
because he is a student After this response I am banning myself from the
community because its not worth contributing anything to the team... I am
really very sad and sorry to say this...
Really saddening to see the response...
Bhavani Shankar


On 10/30/07, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 10/30/07, Parthan S R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Hi Team Mates,
> >
> > Please keep your heads cool. We know these things have been disturbing
>
> /me sings
>
> Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram
> Pati Tapavan Sita Ram
> Eeshwar Allah Tero Naam
> Sab Ko Sanmati De Bhagwan
>
> :-p
>
> regards
> VK
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Vivek Khurana]

On 10/30/07, Parthan S R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi Team Mates,
>
> Please keep your heads cool. We know these things have been disturbing

/me sings

Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram
Pati Tapavan Sita Ram
Eeshwar Allah Tero Naam
Sab Ko Sanmati De Bhagwan

:-p

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Parthan S R]

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Hi Team Mates,

Please keep your heads cool. We know these things have been disturbing
us for some time, but we will sit and sort it out. No use in
aggression through mails as our more polite earlier mails have failed
to appeal to him. This is all due to over enthusiasm to contribute and
take bigger responsibilities without much prior experience and exposure.

I request Bhavani Shankar to turn up at #ubuntu-in @ irc.freenode.net
sometime during the day and sort it out with us. You are always
welcome to approach us, have a discussion|debate and sort out your
problems|difference-of-opinions|inconveniences with us :)

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Vivek Khurana]

On 10/29/07, Onkar Shinde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> @Gaurav/Vivek,
>
> There is no need to be so aggressive. Bhavani seems to be misguided
> about the ways of contribution. I think it is our duty to correct his
> misconceptions than to ban him.
>

 Well I am not aggressive. I have suggested having a discussion on
IRC. Also I did not propose to ban someone. But yes we need to clear
this crap being created. The wiki page posted here is complete crap.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Mir Nazim]

On 10/29/07, Jayanth S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Repeadted attempts here.. I think the Admins/Mods should just take this
> offline and explain to him..
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Jayanth S]

> My point is that he is doing this on purpose.
>
>
>

Repeadted attempts here.. I think the Admins/Mods should just take this
offline and explain to him..
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[gaurav chaturvedi]

On 10/29/07, Onkar Shinde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> @Gaurav/Vivek,
>
> There is no need to be so aggressive. Bhavani seems to be misguided
> about the ways of contribution. I think it is our duty to correct his
> misconceptions than to ban him.


My point is that he is doing this on purpose.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Onkar Shinde]

@Gaurav/Vivek,

There is no need to be so aggressive. Bhavani seems to be misguided
about the ways of contribution. I think it is our duty to correct his
misconceptions than to ban him.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Vivek Khurana]

On 10/29/07, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It has been moved to
> http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/User_talk:Bhavi
> Please transfer it to a proper space please because wiki editing here is
> different from Ubuntu wiki editing and please create some space for Indian
> marketing team also because ill shift it too

 What crap is this ? And who is Bhavani ? Admins/Founders can we have
a discussion over thsi issue on IRC ? To me it looks like an attempt
to take over the work done by so many people over a period of time.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[gaurav chaturvedi]

On 10/29/07, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It has been moved to
> http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/User_talk:Bhavi
> Please transfer it to a proper space please because wiki editing here is
> different from Ubuntu wiki editing and please create some space for Indian
> marketing team also because ill shift it too
> Thanks
> Bhavani Shankar.
>

Ban this user. He dosnt give a crap about ubuntu or foss or whatever.
He just thinks it fun to troll this mailing lists.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

It has been moved to
http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/User_talk:Bhavi
Please transfer it to a proper space please because wiki editing here is
different from Ubuntu wiki editing and please create some space for Indian
marketing team also because ill shift it too
Thanks
Bhavani Shankar.


On 10/18/07, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why are you guys not understanding? I am just trying to modeel our LoCo
> team on par with Ubuntu.. Any person who gets in to the community will have
> an "Membership" analogus with ubuntu members in the broader sense.. By this
> he will have some facililities and
> THE PERSON WILL HAVE AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that he has contributed
> substantialy to the loco team... Its just based on the idea of ubuntu
> members... Who are Ubuntu Members? A person who has contributed
> substantially to the community gets special recognition and a token
> acknowledgement from the community for the same.. and I thought of this idea
> on the lines mentioned above... And about the ubuntu Indian promoters...
> Here is trhe team: 
> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ind-promotersand
>  I am not playing games here.. I am serious enough  on this thing that I
> want to model my team on par with ubuntu and In the process to make our Loco
> team one of the best teams in the whole of ubuntu community.. I too am
> working with UMC  team actively as a team member and essentially an
> implementeter redesigning their web site and taking care of the Gaming and
> documentation part and I am close with the Ubuntu marketing team on
> discussing the pros and cons of my Idea of a beginners kit thereby helping
> the newbies to easily switch over to ubuntu and making shipit more faster..
> and I am active on the launchpad answer tracker helping out people and
> newbies by providing answers to their questions.. This sort of attitude
> really saddens me.. Please abide by the Ubuntu Code of Conduct:
> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
> Really saddening to see the response,
> Thanks
> Bhavani Shankar.
> On 10/17/07, Parth < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On 10/17/07, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hello...
> > > I have stated a team called Ubuntu Indian members on par with ubuntu
> > > members..
> > > Ref this:
> > > https://edge.launchpad.net/~indmembersIts
> > >  just a simple
> >
> > OMG.. not again!
> >
> > > analogy. Indian loCo team in Launchpad -> Having an account in
> > launchpad in
> > > ubuntu
> > > Ubuntu Indian members -> ubuntu members..
> > > Note: all the present active members will be approved automatically..
> > This
> > > stuff mentioned in the wiki is for newbies who are coming in..
> >
> >
> > Define "members" - the term has a different meaning in Ubuntu
> > community. A member is officially recognized and this process is not
> > like getting a launchpad account. Are you meaning official members in
> > India or members of the launchpad team ? Then it is out of my scope as
> > am not an official Ubuntu Member.
> >
> > Else.. it is waste of time and effort for reasons I have stated in my
> > last (long) mail.
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Bhavani Shankar R]

Why are you guys not understanding? I am just trying to modeel our LoCo team
on par with Ubuntu.. Any person who gets in to the community will have an
"Membership" analogus with ubuntu members in the broader sense.. By this he
will have some facililities and
THE PERSON WILL HAVE AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that he has contributed substantialy
to the loco team... Its just based on the idea of ubuntu members... Who
are Ubuntu Members? A person who has contributed substantially to the
community gets special recognition and a token acknowledgement from the
community for the same.. and I thought of this idea on the lines mentioned
above... And about the ubuntu Indian promoters... Here is trhe team:
https://edge.launchpad.net/~ind-promotersand
I am not playing games here.. I am serious enough  on this thing that
I
want to model my team on par with ubuntu and In the process to make our Loco
team one of the best teams in the whole of ubuntu community.. I too am
working with UMC  team actively as a team member and essentially an
implementeter redesigning their web site and taking care of the Gaming and
documentation part and I am close with the Ubuntu marketing team on
discussing the pros and cons of my Idea of a beginners kit thereby helping
the newbies to easily switch over to ubuntu and making shipit more faster..
and I am active on the launchpad answer tracker helping out people and
newbies by providing answers to their questions.. This sort of attitude
really saddens me.. Please abide by the Ubuntu Code of Conduct:
http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
Really saddening to see the response,
Thanks
Bhavani Shankar.
On 10/17/07, Parth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 10/17/07, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello...
> > I have stated a team called Ubuntu Indian members on par with ubuntu
> > members..
> > Ref this:
> > https://edge.launchpad.net/~indmembersIts
> >  just a simple
>
> OMG.. not again!
>
> > analogy. Indian loCo team in Launchpad -> Having an account in launchpad
> in
> > ubuntu
> > Ubuntu Indian members -> ubuntu members..
> > Note: all the present active members will be approved automatically..
> This
> > stuff mentioned in the wiki is for newbies who are coming in..
>
>
> Define "members" - the term has a different meaning in Ubuntu
> community. A member is officially recognized and this process is not
> like getting a launchpad account. Are you meaning official members in
> India or members of the launchpad team ? Then it is out of my scope as
> am not an official Ubuntu Member.
>
> Else.. it is waste of time and effort for reasons I have stated in my
> last (long) mail.
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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Parth]

On 10/17/07, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello...
> I have stated a team called Ubuntu Indian members on par with ubuntu
> members..
> Ref this:
> https://edge.launchpad.net/~indmembers Its just a simple

OMG.. not again!

> analogy. Indian loCo team in Launchpad -> Having an account in launchpad in
> ubuntu
> Ubuntu Indian members -> ubuntu members..
> Note: all the present active members will be approved automatically.. This
> stuff mentioned in the wiki is for newbies who are coming in..


Define "members" - the term has a different meaning in Ubuntu
community. A member is officially recognized and this process is not
like getting a launchpad account. Are you meaning official members in
India or members of the launchpad team ? Then it is out of my scope as
am not an official Ubuntu Member.

Else.. it is waste of time and effort for reasons I have stated in my
last (long) mail.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

[Kartik Mistry]

"Bhavani Shankar R" wrote:
> I have stated a team called Ubuntu Indian members on par with ubuntu
> members.. Ref this:
> https://edge.launchpad.net/~indmembers Its just a simple analogy. Indian
> loCo team in Launchpad -> Having an account in launchpad in ubuntu
> Ubuntu Indian members -> ubuntu members..
> Note: all the present active members will be approved automatically.. This
> stuff mentioned in the wiki is for newbies who are coming in..

Hi,

What happened to 'Ubuntu Indian Promoters' team? Are you playing game
to start the teams? If you feeling this is fun (for you), please don't
send such mails to list. We have enough bugs to fix already.

>From wiki,
> You will have an address username @ubuntu-in.org

Then what? I'm really sad. What to do with such forwarded email.
Bhavani, please contribute to code, translation, packaging or by any
other means. Starting team is not contributing back.

Hope this will be your final team ;)

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