Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
On 20/08/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a message from John of the ubuntuvideo.com site. John says he'd be able to embed video clips into the ubuntuvideo.com site if we get them hosted elsewhere. John wouldn't be able to offer comments or ratings however. At the moment it's looking more and more sensible to go with dailymotion.com et al, so unless someone else peeps up, I'll embark on more discussion with these web 2.0 type video community chappies. The best videos uploaded to their channels could then be replicated to ubuntuvideo.com Cheers Chris Going once, going twice :-P Not sure what you mean by this bit, but given that ubuntuvideo.com is a well known Ubuntu video site in the Ubuntu namespace and that this project is about Ubuntu videos, I'd like to hear more from John (added to cc) about why it's not possible to add comments/voting facilities to this site, if that's what the marketing team would like to do. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
Not sure what you mean by this bit, but given that ubuntuvideo.com is a well known Ubuntu video site in the Ubuntu namespace and that this project is about Ubuntu videos, I'd like to hear more from John (added to cc) about why it's not possible to add comments/voting facilities to this site, if that's what the marketing team would like to do. I think a good part of this is due to the fact John isn't currently hosting any videos anyway. He's linking to videos on youtube etc... Voting and commenting facilities are available on sites like youtube. ubuntuvideo.com is more of a video aggregator. What we have been offered, is the assistance of a website currently in the top 60 visited web destinations in the world John is offering to embed videos into his website from them. I'm a little confused at what pull the marketing team has over John's site, as he pays for the hosting and owns the domain name. I think that perhaps we should be a little bit diplomatic with asking for more ;-) Cheers Chris -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
On 20/08/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a little confused at what pull the marketing team has over John's site, as he pays for the hosting and owns the domain name. I think that perhaps we should be a little bit diplomatic with asking for more ;-) I understand that, and hadn't intended to be curt. I wrote to John off list with a fuller explanation, but the reason why I think it's worth getting to the bottom of this is that the marketing team currently lists this website as one of its projects. Now, obviously it's totally fine for an individual to have their own site and take care of it as they wish without reference to a community team (there are some great sites out there that do just that), but it's important that the team clarifies for its own purposes how and to what extent it can contribute ideas and new features for the site (especially if the alternative is to develop another similar site). Having said that, it's clear that this discussion shouldn't get in the way of the project developing; i.e. people should actually be thinking about making videos. Had you envisaged writing some guidelines for how to go about making videos; i.e. what sort of ideas are acceptable, what technologies can be used to make them, etc? -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
Hi Matt, On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 04:04:44PM +0100, Matthew East wrote: Not sure what you mean by this bit, but given that ubuntuvideo.com is a well known Ubuntu video site in the Ubuntu namespace and that this project is about Ubuntu videos, I'd like to hear more from John (added to cc) about why it's not possible to add comments/voting facilities to this site, if that's what the marketing team would like to do. Indeed. It's a drupal site therefore it supports comments. See http://screencasts.ubuntu.com for evidence of this. Whether John wants the overhead of managing comments (and the resulting spam) is another question. Whether John wants ubuntuvideo.com to become a viral video site again is another question. As I suggested previously I'd suggest that Chris (and if avaiable John, Matt and anyone else interested) attend a Marketing team meeting where this could be discussed and sorted nice and quickly. (not that speed is the primary goal, but I'm sure we all agree that we don't want to spend all month talking about the minute details rather than the actual job of making and promoting ubuntu based viral videos. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
Having said that, it's clear that this discussion shouldn't get in the way of the project developing; i.e. people should actually be thinking about making videos. Had you envisaged writing some guidelines for how to go about making videos; i.e. what sort of ideas are acceptable, what technologies can be used to make them, etc? Matthew Sure, but I kind of wanted to ensure this was possible first if you see what I mean. I'm pretty new to the open-source community, but not to working in project teams. I'm finding it a bit of a culture shock at the minute, as if I wanted a particular task doing in say a work project I could assign it to a member of staff and say 'hey, this needs doing for 'x' time so could you ensure its completed please'. In open source, where we're all volunteers, its of course quite different. ;-) I have a vision of how I think this will pan out, but I know that we need people on-board to make it happen. I've found myself taking responsibility for the technical implementation of this but I would really like to get more involved in the actual planning. I just don't see which comes first clearly yet, and no one is stepping up with any 'doing' yet ;-) Of course, that may well be my fault for not communicating properly and I admit that. As I suggested previously I'd suggest that Chris (and if avaiable John, Matt and anyone else interested) attend a Marketing team meeting where this could be discussed and sorted nice and quickly. Alan I'd love to Alan. I did check the meeting schedule for marketing, but unfortunately these occur on a Sunday morning which isn't possible for me. Do you think it would be possible to drag together those people interested in the viral video project in a separate meeting mutually acceptable to them? Cheers Chris -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
If the meeting is not on the weekend I would participate (nowadays I´m without internet in my home, just in the work). ;) Cheers, Dalton Having said that, it's clear that this discussion shouldn't get in the way of the project developing; i.e. people should actually be thinking about making videos. Had you envisaged writing some guidelines for how to go about making videos; i.e. what sort of ideas are acceptable, what technologies can be used to make them, etc? Matthew Sure, but I kind of wanted to ensure this was possible first if you see what I mean. I'm pretty new to the open-source community, but not to working in project teams. I'm finding it a bit of a culture shock at the minute, as if I wanted a particular task doing in say a work project I could assign it to a member of staff and say 'hey, this needs doing for 'x' time so could you ensure its completed please'. In open source, where we're all volunteers, its of course quite different. ;-) I have a vision of how I think this will pan out, but I know that we need people on-board to make it happen. I've found myself taking responsibility for the technical implementation of this but I would really like to get more involved in the actual planning. I just don't see which comes first clearly yet, and no one is stepping up with any 'doing' yet ;-) Of course, that may well be my fault for not communicating properly and I admit that. As I suggested previously I'd suggest that Chris (and if avaiable John, Matt and anyone else interested) attend a Marketing team meeting where this could be discussed and sorted nice and quickly. Alan I'd love to Alan. I did check the meeting schedule for marketing, but unfortunately these occur on a Sunday morning which isn't possible for me. Do you think it would be possible to drag together those people interested in the viral video project in a separate meeting mutually acceptable to them? Cheers Chris -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 11:57:39AM +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: I've just had an email from the good folks over at thedailymotion.com - who have heard about our viral video project. And the wiki has also now been edited by someone from Videoboom.com offering hosting for up to 5000 videos on an Ubuntu branded site, under a domain of our choice. I think that given the fact that we have someone offering to build the entire site for us, without locking us into their corporate branding, that we have to look at this seriously. PS. I haven't had a response to my emails to either Mozilla, or Ubuntuvideo.com. Thoughts anyone? Cheers Chris https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/UbuntuViralVideos -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
On 19/08/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. I haven't had a response to my emails to either Mozilla, or Ubuntuvideo.com. If the guy running ubuntuvideo.com isn't responsive, that is a substantial problem, given that the site is supposed to be a marketing team project. We should definitely try and get hold of him to discuss how to resolve that. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
On 19/08/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/08/07, Matthew East [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/08/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. I haven't had a response to my emails to either Mozilla, or Ubuntuvideo.com. If the guy running ubuntuvideo.com isn't responsive, that is a substantial problem, given that the site is supposed to be a marketing team project. We should definitely try and get hold of him to discuss how to resolve that. -- Matthew East Hey Matt, Which is one of the reasons I don't want the viral video project to reside under one person's control. You loose that person, you loose the project... This was one of my arguments against hosting on privately owned servers under privately registered domains. It's better to spread the risk a little methinks ;-) Agreed. I'll contact John by email to see if we can talk about making the site a more community run project; and we'll see how that goes. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
Matthew East wrote: On 19/08/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. I haven't had a response to my emails to either Mozilla, or Ubuntuvideo.com. If the guy running ubuntuvideo.com isn't responsive, that is a substantial problem, given that the site is supposed to be a marketing team project. We should definitely try and get hold of him to discuss how to resolve that. I would prefer to regard the putting right any lack in the particular Ubuntu team as a separate project activity, and I would not want it to prevent the main idea, which is to use actually do Marketing. Let us run with the offer? -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
Feel free to correct my understanding but I think you're pushing at a different door. Ubuntuvideo.com doesn't host videos; it streams them and is a site which I think can be used to front the project: i.e. to promote videos, allow users to vote on them etc. Definately. I think we need to weigh our options carefully though. I'd like to know what kind of traffic Ubuntuvideo.com sees versus the kind of traffic that another alternative we've been given is likely to offer up (like a dedicated Ubuntu channel at the video hosting site discussed earlier). As for hosting, free hosting is available from youtube and archive.org which I believe Alan Pope used for screencasts.ubuntu.com, but if better offers for hosting videos produced by the marketing team come in, then there is no reason not to consider them. As for videos produced by others which are already hosted around the internet, hosting isn't needed for those, it's just the viral part of the project which then comes into play. Or have I misunderstood? Sure, and that's a great thing too. At the end of the day, if we can host on another website we can embed the videos into sites like Ubuntuvideo.com -- Matthew East Cheers Chris -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
OK, folks so the way I see it is. We've got an existing community front end at ubuntuvideo.com. It's currently displaying videos which are embedded in sites like youtube.com for example. So far, we have had hosting offers from two different companies: dailymotion.com videoboom.com Which may include custom Ubuntu branding/Ubuntu channel. In my mind, embedding videos into ubuntuvideo.com should be possible wherever the facility exists to share the video from the host website. Looking at our two hosting offers, I'm not sure that this facility exists at videoboom, but it does at dailymotion. We could do with all the exposure we can get, so a channel on one of these video websites would be pretty useful. So, why don't we just accept the offer of hosting from one of these sites so that we can then have hosted video which allows people to upload, and vote. When we can get hold of ubuntuvideo.com operators, we can then embed the videos into it. Ideas, thoughts, rants :-P ? Chris -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
Oh, and just quickly. Here is last months traffic for dailymotion.com http://www.dailymotion.com/press/fact_sheet_july2007.pdf Chris -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
I got a message from John of the ubuntuvideo.com site. John says he'd be able to embed video clips into the ubuntuvideo.com site if we get them hosted elsewhere. John wouldn't be able to offer comments or ratings however. At the moment it's looking more and more sensible to go with dailymotion.com et al, so unless someone else peeps up, I'll embark on more discussion with these web 2.0 type video community chappies. The best videos uploaded to their channels could then be replicated to ubuntuvideo.com Cheers Chris -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos
Hi Chris, On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 11:57:39AM +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: I've just had an email from the good folks over at thedailymotion.com - who have heard about our viral video project. You sure about that site? It redirects to http://www.richvideos.com/ which is a searchspam site. http://www.dailymotion.com/ is that what you really meant? It seems that they're big fans and users of Ubuntu, and would like to help out with the hosting/publishing our viral videos. This is going to sound negative, but I just don't know how else to word it. Whilst it's great to get distributors on board, I'm not convinced they're the best partner for the site. Why not just release the video(s) on a *.ubuntu.com domain or from an existing site. Then again they can be uploaded to any site of this ilk (youtube, heavy, blip.tv, ustream, and so on) there's no real need to tie yourself to one of them. Hosting is (in my opinion) the _least_ of your worries. The primary goal is to get them made in the first place I'd have thought. How about setting out some themes or goals for video content on the wiki? Or maybe come up with some scenarios that _you_ would like to see made in video. Coming up with those ideas always seems to be the tricky thing IMO. You could also schedule a meeting on irc to get people talking about it, or maybe add it to the agenda for an existing (Marketing?) meeting? Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
