Re: Handing over ubuntu-qa to the Qatar loco team

[Nicholas Skaggs]

The process for this has begun -- I'll send an email once it's complete 
and we've moved to #ubuntu-quality. Thanks for the feedback everyone.


Nicholas

On 10/29/2012 04:43 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

Greetings everyone ;-)

The Qatar loco team is starting up, which is wonderful to see ubuntu 
loco's continuing to spread. However, this means in order for the loco 
naming standard to continue, we must give up this mailing list name. 
Never fear, our archives and subscriptions will be migrated to the new 
list, but we need a new name.


Since I happened to be at UDS with some of you, I took a moment to 
poll the room. The two immediate ideas are
ubuntu-quality and ubuntu-testing. Ubuntu-testing was an obvious 
choice to keep the naming conventions of the launchpad team and irc 
channel the same. That said I preferred, as did everyone else, 
ubuntu-quality. So given the time sensitive nature of the request (it 
needs to happen ASAP), I'll leave this message open for feedback 
overnight. Assuming no one has a convincing argument or complaint, 
we'll move forward with the change to ubuntu-quality for a mailing 
list name.


This change will happen ASAP for the mailing list. Given the desire to 
keep things consistent, people seemed in agreement to undergo a full 
re-naming. This will require changing all of our documentation, 
migrating our IRC channel, migrating our launchpad team, etc, etc. Now 
taking volunteers for this effort :-p It won't be as bad as it sounds, 
but will require work and timing on our part to accomplish asap.


Thanks everyone!

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Handing over ubuntu-qa to the Qatar loco team

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Greetings everyone ;-)

The Qatar loco team is starting up, which is wonderful to see ubuntu 
loco's continuing to spread. However, this means in order for the loco 
naming standard to continue, we must give up this mailing list name. 
Never fear, our archives and subscriptions will be migrated to the new 
list, but we need a new name.


Since I happened to be at UDS with some of you, I took a moment to poll 
the room. The two immediate ideas are
ubuntu-quality and ubuntu-testing. Ubuntu-testing was an obvious choice 
to keep the naming conventions of the launchpad team and irc channel the 
same. That said I preferred, as did everyone else, ubuntu-quality. So 
given the time sensitive nature of the request (it needs to happen 
ASAP), I'll leave this message open for feedback overnight. Assuming no 
one has a convincing argument or complaint, we'll move forward with the 
change to ubuntu-quality for a mailing list name.


This change will happen ASAP for the mailing list. Given the desire to 
keep things consistent, people seemed in agreement to undergo a full 
re-naming. This will require changing all of our documentation, 
migrating our IRC channel, migrating our launchpad team, etc, etc. Now 
taking volunteers for this effort :-p It won't be as bad as it sounds, 
but will require work and timing on our part to accomplish asap.


Thanks everyone!

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UDS-R

[Nicholas Skaggs]

A quick hello from Copenhagen -- and to all of those of you who are able 
to join us locally here, hello! I wanted everyone to be aware of what 
was happening this week. Here's a quick link to the UDS sessions:


http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/track/qa/

And, don't forget, the testing events going on! Check the track, 
posters, and UDS-announce links :-)


A bit more in my blog post, 
http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/10/readying-for-uds.html


Cheers!

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Re: blank address book in Thunderbird - Quantal - AMD64

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 10/17/2012 04:42 PM, Bob wrote:
When Thunderbird is opened and Address Book selected, the contacts are 
not shown. If Address Book is closed and then re-selected the contacts 
are shown correctly. 100% repeatable for me

Bob

My address book opens fine here -- does resetting your profile help? 
Does it happen on a default profile?


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Re: Urgent Cryptswap Bug!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 10/17/2012 04:27 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:22:21 AM Braden Wolfe wrote:

Hi all,
As of last night I finished up allbeta bug testing for 12.10 beta, as
the relase is tomorrow. Everything on i386, x32, x64, and x86 work
fine, wth one exception:
On AMD Single Core mobile processors, Cryptswap does not write
properly. During the Ubuntu boot screen, it says 'Crypswap/1 is not
present' and says I can wait to write or skip. This hapens every time
I boot weather I execute manual control or have the system write it. I
have not found any soloutions to this issue, and it is a serious
security issue for encryption savvy user. Hopefully this issue can be
resolved quickly...hope this helps!
-Braden W.

NOTE: I had this issue on 12.04 and 12.04.1 as well.

I see this issue on and off.  It's a race condition in the boot process.  It is
not a security issue because if you skip, you don't have access to the
encrypted area, so there's no information exposure.

For me, if I wait a few seconds it just goes away on it's own.

Scott K

I too have seen this happen, but it's only a matter of seconds before 
being mounted and I can unencrypt.



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The last days before release

[Nicholas Skaggs]

First and foremost -- if you have helped test in any way this cycle, 
make sure I've got your name recorded (or if you don't want your name 
published, let me know) -- this is the current draft of what will go 
into the release notes of ubuntu for quantal.


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Credits/Testers

Next, I wanted to thank everyone for riding the roller-coaster of 
development yet again and helping to make this release a successful one. 
We've got 2 days left before release, and the team is still trying to 
chase down some last minute bugs as usual. If your noticing anything 
that is critically broken, please make sure the release team knows about 
it. Feel free to contact myself or the list if you are unsure. Other 
bugs you find may become SRU'd post-release, so please do report 
anything you see.


As for testing, ARM appears to be good -- have any of the ARM testers 
seen issues with upgrading from precise? The 'black bar' bug is cosmetic 
and will ship on the final version -- Launchpad bug 1055949 in unity 
"Unity panel shadow appears as solid black bar on GLES/ARM (Pandaboard)" 
[Medium,Confirmed].


On the desktop side, things appear to be shaking out ok -- has anyone 
been able to test wubi and have it work well? The new binary should be 
available to do so. My personal upgrades from precise to quantal went 
well just last evening -- so even a real-world upgrade scenario passed 
with little issue.


Finally, we won't be having an official meeting tomorrow so as to not 
interrupt any testing going on. However, you are encouraged to use the 
#ubuntu-testing channel at any time to discuss bugs, problems, and get 
help testing. Due to UDS I would also suggest we cancel October 24th and 
October 21st meetings, making the next meeting November 7th. The wiki 
has been updated to reflect this, but we can change it if there is a 
prevailing reason or interest to meet during those days. Thanks everyone 
and happy testing in these last days.


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Re: Is it a bug ?

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On 10/15/2012 09:47 AM, Carla Sella wrote:

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Nicholas Skaggs
 wrote:

On 10/13/2012 05:14 AM, Carla Sella wrote:

On 10/13/2012 10:49 AM, Jean-Baptiste Lallement wrote:

Everything was ok except for some unmet dependencies :

libqtgui4:i386 : Depends: libtiff5:i386 (> 4.0.0-1~) but it is not
installed
libtiff4:i386 : Depends: libjbig0:i386 but it is not installed

When I rebooted package manager indicated and error: BrokenCount > 0.
I fixed it with an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade -f.
Should this be reported as a bug ?

It could be due to an archive inconsistency but it is surprising at
this stage of the release.

Could you please file a bug against ubuntu-release-upgrader and attach
the content of the directory /var/log/dist-upgrade ?



Hi Jean-Baptiste,
I realized only now that all my Desktop files, directories and links are
missing.
Is this another bug or the same as I just reported for the unmet
dependencies (bug #1066244).
Thanks.

Carla, are you saying your home directory was destroyed?

Nicholas



No, no!  :-D

My home directory is still there and also my Desktop directory in my
fllesystem is still there, it's just that I have a desktop with my
background and nothing else, no files, directories or links are shown
but they are present in the /home/letozaf/Desktop directory in my
filesystem.

Hope I explained myself clearly :-D

Carla Sella
email: carla.se...@gmail.com
https://launchpad.net/~carla-sella
Ahh ok! That's likely a nautilus bug of some sort.. or a config 
transition bug.


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Re: Is it a bug ?

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 10/13/2012 05:14 AM, Carla Sella wrote:

On 10/13/2012 10:49 AM, Jean-Baptiste Lallement wrote:



Everything was ok except for some unmet dependencies :

libqtgui4:i386 : Depends: libtiff5:i386 (> 4.0.0-1~) but it is not
installed
libtiff4:i386 : Depends: libjbig0:i386 but it is not installed

When I rebooted package manager indicated and error: BrokenCount > 0.
I fixed it with an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade -f.
Should this be reported as a bug ?

It could be due to an archive inconsistency but it is surprising at
this stage of the release.

Could you please file a bug against ubuntu-release-upgrader and attach
the content of the directory /var/log/dist-upgrade ?




Hi Jean-Baptiste,
I realized only now that all my Desktop files, directories and links are
missing.
Is this another bug or the same as I just reported for the unmet
dependencies (bug #1066244).
Thanks.


Carla, are you saying your home directory was destroyed?

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Re: Adelaide everywhere

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 10/13/2012 05:31 AM, Jackson Doak wrote:
can everyone in australia run the kubuntu daily and help confirm bug 
1066223, i think the peoples of adelaide are trying to take over


Jackson


:-p Sich a funny way to put the bug Jackson. Sadly I don't live in 
Australia, or I would help out here. You could try reaching out to the 
Australian loco folks and walk them through a quick check.


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RC Images are Live

[Nicholas Skaggs]

As some of you may have noticed, the first images started landing on the 
isotracker last night. You know what this means :-) Testing time! Have a 
look here and get started!


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds

If you find any bugs, please report. If the bug is something you feel 
that might be of a critical nature, please email the list as well right 
away. The sooner we can raise potential release blocking issues the 
better. Now is the time to take some time to install on real hardware, 
to test installing on an exotic setup, or to test upgrading your precise 
box to quantal. Please report any problems you see, and thank you for 
helping to test ubuntu!


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Re: Updating a package.

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On 10/10/2012 03:19 PM, John Kim wrote:


Sorry, I was cut off from ubuntu-meeting because I arrived to school. 
On the way to school, I was using an irc client for my Android phone.


Anyway, libreoffice on the latest daily build still has the text 
selection bug. But when I checked the bug page, a fix has been 
released. It seems that I don't get to experience the fix just yet. 
How can I upgrade the package to include the fix? Software updater 
doesn't pull it.


Thanks.

John Kim
Lp: thinkndev
Irc:epikvision






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Re: Updating a package.

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Try manually updating using:

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.

Nicholas

On 10/10/2012 03:19 PM, John Kim wrote:


Sorry, I was cut off from ubuntu-meeting because I arrived to school. 
On the way to school, I was using an irc client for my Android phone.


Anyway, libreoffice on the latest daily build still has the text 
selection bug. But when I checked the bug page, a fix has been 
released. It seems that I don't get to experience the fix just yet. 
How can I upgrade the package to include the fix? Software updater 
doesn't pull it.


Thanks.

John Kim
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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal (Beta2)

[Nicholas Skaggs]

The launcher would be ubuntu-bug unity ;-)

Nicholas

On 10/10/2012 01:25 PM, Tobias k1fri wrote:

and a bug with the laucher would be what package?


On 10/10/2012 07:00 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
Johan, if possible, try re-installing using the latest daily cd from 
here and report your results:


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds

If your install occurs the same way, file a bug using 'ubuntu-bug 
PACKAGENAME' -- see the bug faq here for information on the package 
to choose.


https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
For problems encountered ...
... during the installation itself:*ubuntu-bug ubiquity*
... while booting the ISO image:*ubuntu-bug syslinux*
... while booting the system after installaton:*ubuntu-bug grub2*
... with the graphical display after installation:*ubuntu-bug xorg*
... with an application:*ubuntu-bug PACKAGE_NAME
*
Nicholas

On 10/10/2012 05:03 AM, Johan Scheepers wrote:

Good day,

I have downloaded and installed ubuntu 12.10 beta2.
One problem while installing - no visible mouse cursor.
The screen was white with tiny red dots.
When finished install live -white screen- moved the mouse around and 
found that it is there but not visible. The apps flashed when the 
invisible cursor passed over it.

I took a chance and logged out.
 Bingo - all is visible and screen is normal.

This white screen and invisible cursor has been a long time.

Now this beta2 is running nicely without problems on my laptop.
It is updated as of last night.

Question - will this be the same when fully updated than the final 
release.


Thanks
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Re: ARM This week in QA

[Nicholas Skaggs]

So Elfy reports upgrading from beta1 is pretty broken. If you've not yet 
taken the time to try, I would suggest holding off for now and focusing 
on the daily images. We've got the results we needed :-) We've had a 
couple confirmed successful installs using the daily images as well, so 
if you want to see how nice the experience is now, give it a whirl.


Nicholas

On 10/10/2012 05:37 AM, Elfy wrote:

On 10/10/12 10:08, Omer Akram wrote:


see https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1055949




That's the one - thanks Omer






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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal (Beta2)

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Johan, if possible, try re-installing using the latest daily cd from 
here and report your results:


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds

If your install occurs the same way, file a bug using 'ubuntu-bug 
PACKAGENAME' -- see the bug faq here for information on the package to 
choose.


https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs

For problems encountered ...
... during the installation itself:*ubuntu-bug ubiquity*
... while booting the ISO image:*ubuntu-bug syslinux*
... while booting the system after installaton:*ubuntu-bug grub2*
... with the graphical display after installation:*ubuntu-bug xorg*
... with an application:*ubuntu-bug PACKAGE_NAME
*

Nicholas

On 10/10/2012 05:03 AM, Johan Scheepers wrote:

Good day,

I have downloaded and installed ubuntu 12.10 beta2.
One problem while installing - no visible mouse cursor.
The screen was white with tiny red dots.
When finished install live -white screen- moved the mouse around and 
found that it is there but not visible. The apps flashed when the 
invisible cursor passed over it.

I took a chance and logged out.
 Bingo - all is visible and screen is normal.

This white screen and invisible cursor has been a long time.

Now this beta2 is running nicely without problems on my laptop.
It is updated as of last night.

Question - will this be the same when fully updated than the final 
release.


Thanks
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Re: ATI cards, please test

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Karl, I too am not having issues with fglrx. I just installed 
fglrx-updates this morning, running a HD 6750. Previously I had been 
running the open drivers this cycle with great success. xao works fine 
on both.. And so far so good with fglrx.. hehe


Nicholas

On 10/07/2012 10:46 AM, Karl Anliot wrote:

yeah I would really like to get the blit bug filed.  and I should
clarify, the crash that takes hours to reproduce usually appears when
opening and closing videos with mplayer.






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Re: A preview of coming attractions

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Just wanted to follow-up and give everyone a peek at what drove this. 
Remember, this was primarily an exercise into my thoughts on automating 
a gui, but I am quite pleased with the outcome. The only way to go from 
here is up:


bzr branch lp:~nskaggs/+junk/perfuncted
https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/+junk/perfuncted 
<https://code.launchpad.net/%7Enskaggs/+junk/perfuncted>


You should be able to recreate, but it would be good for you to know a 
little python (only a little is needed, after all I wrote it!) at this 
point. Check out the README and fire away. Cheers,


Nicholas

On 10/05/2012 06:48 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

And the video worked :)

Looks really good. Hope you guys get these 'grunt work' items automated.

Regards,

Phill.

On 5 October 2012 08:14, Sergio Zanchetta <mailto:prime...@ubuntu.com>> wrote:


2012/10/4 Nicholas Skaggs mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>>:
> In celebration of the 24hr marathon for charity, I wanted to
show off
> something I've been working on recently:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owdb8oMRT8o
>
> This is an example of where we are heading in QA; we want to
focus our
> manual testing efforts on where we as humans can dedicate our
best efforts,
> and automate the pieces that are of a more trivial nature. The
pieces are
> converging, and as ever we will need everyone's help to maintain
and write
> testcases. I'm excited for the future -- I trust you are too.


That's really nice indeed!

Sergio.




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Re: This week in QA

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On 10/09/2012 11:33 AM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

On 10/08/2012 08:50 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
The end is near! This Friday the first of the release candidate isos 
will drop. Please, ping the list this week with any bugs that are 
critical to being fixed before these isos are spun! ASAP! This is the 
last chance for getting anything fixed before release.


That said, our testing focus this week needs to be around the 
critical pieces of the release -- including the late landers. Unity 
6.8, the new suggestion feature (on and off :-) ), and compiz 
performance and regressions. Don't forget about the other new 
features in quantal -- webapps, libreoffice global menus, etc. In 
addition for those in ARM, please take a moment this week to do a 
couple tests:


1) Install beta2 and upgrade to the current archive version. Note any 
issues

2) Install the daily and report results
3) Report results of how well unity is running -- responsive and 
usable? Graphical glitches, etc?


In addition, remember this ole page from beta2? 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates. Excellent work 
to all who helped make the work happen. There is still a few items 
needing work, mostly around splitting out ubiquity features, and 
reviewing some of the testcases, etc. If you want to help in any of 
this work, as always just speak up ;-)


Breathe deep. If you blink the next 2 weeks will be gone before you 
know it. And guess what? Quantal is COMING!


Nicholas


Sorry, I misspoke. I meant to say beta1, not beta2! ARM testers, you 
can find the test in question here:


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/25309/testcases

Thanks!

Nicholas


Just in case you need the specific link ARM folks :-) Elfy asked, and 
it's worth passing along


http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/quantal/beta-1/ubuntu-12.10-beta1-desktop-armhf+omap4.img

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Re: This week in QA

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On 10/08/2012 08:50 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
The end is near! This Friday the first of the release candidate isos 
will drop. Please, ping the list this week with any bugs that are 
critical to being fixed before these isos are spun! ASAP! This is the 
last chance for getting anything fixed before release.


That said, our testing focus this week needs to be around the critical 
pieces of the release -- including the late landers. Unity 6.8, the 
new suggestion feature (on and off :-) ), and compiz performance and 
regressions. Don't forget about the other new features in quantal -- 
webapps, libreoffice global menus, etc. In addition for those in ARM, 
please take a moment this week to do a couple tests:


1) Install beta2 and upgrade to the current archive version. Note any 
issues

2) Install the daily and report results
3) Report results of how well unity is running -- responsive and 
usable? Graphical glitches, etc?


In addition, remember this ole page from beta2? 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates. Excellent work 
to all who helped make the work happen. There is still a few items 
needing work, mostly around splitting out ubiquity features, and 
reviewing some of the testcases, etc. If you want to help in any of 
this work, as always just speak up ;-)


Breathe deep. If you blink the next 2 weeks will be gone before you 
know it. And guess what? Quantal is COMING!


Nicholas


Sorry, I misspoke. I meant to say beta1, not beta2! ARM testers, you can 
find the test in question here:


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/25309/testcases

Thanks!

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This week in QA

[Nicholas Skaggs]

The end is near! This Friday the first of the release candidate isos 
will drop. Please, ping the list this week with any bugs that are 
critical to being fixed before these isos are spun! ASAP! This is the 
last chance for getting anything fixed before release.


That said, our testing focus this week needs to be around the critical 
pieces of the release -- including the late landers. Unity 6.8, the new 
suggestion feature (on and off :-) ), and compiz performance and 
regressions. Don't forget about the other new features in quantal -- 
webapps, libreoffice global menus, etc. In addition for those in ARM, 
please take a moment this week to do a couple tests:


1) Install beta2 and upgrade to the current archive version. Note any issues
2) Install the daily and report results
3) Report results of how well unity is running -- responsive and usable? 
Graphical glitches, etc?


In addition, remember this ole page from beta2? 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates. Excellent work to 
all who helped make the work happen. There is still a few items needing 
work, mostly around splitting out ubiquity features, and reviewing some 
of the testcases, etc. If you want to help in any of this work, as 
always just speak up ;-)


Breathe deep. If you blink the next 2 weeks will be gone before you know 
it. And guess what? Quantal is COMING!


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A preview of coming attractions

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In celebration of the 24hr marathon for charity, I wanted to show off 
something I've been working on recently:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owdb8oMRT8o

This is an example of where we are heading in QA; we want to focus our 
manual testing efforts on where we as humans can dedicate our best 
efforts, and automate the pieces that are of a more trivial nature. The 
pieces are converging, and as ever we will need everyone's help to 
maintain and write testcases. I'm excited for the future -- I trust you 
are too.


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Ubuntu OpenWeek

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As you may have heard, Openweek is coming up. The folks behind open week 
are asking for some sessions on QA, and sadly, I will be traveling and 
disconnected from the internet on those days :-( So, this is an 
excellent opportunity for us to 'put our name' as the qa community out 
there and increase people's understandings of the work we do. Here's the 
wiki information on the event.


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
Takes place from Wednesday 24 Oct - Friday 26 Oct 2012 on IRC in 
#ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat.


If your interested in hosting a session, let me know. If you've never 
done a session like this before, this is a great way to get involved. 
You will find excellent help and support and you can even tag team the 
session if you wish. Thanks!



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Re: Question

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Gabor, this link should show you any submissions you created: 
https://launchpad.net/~/+hwdb-submissions


Does that answer your question?

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On 10/02/2012 03:58 PM, Gabor Toth wrote:

While doing Laptop testing I could not find how to get hold of my
hardware profile that I have created with Checkbox.  Anyone can show me
to the right direction?

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This week in QA

[Nicholas Skaggs]

This week in QA is preparation for Unity 6.8, which will contain some 
bugfixes for the items found in testing Unity 6.6. Thanks to all of our 
testers who help out on this effort! For those who are able to help, 
look for some specific regression testing after the feature lands. You 
can track it at the following link:


https://launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+milestone/6.8.0

In addition, you may have seen that I am personally participating in a 
charity-a-thon, and this Thursday I'll be working for 24 hours straight 
in support of my charity, WaterAid. I've made a special challenge to the 
QA community (that's all of you!) to donate, perform installations and 
testing, get support and some personal time with me and come hangout. 
Check out my post as to my plans for the day, and plan to participate 
yourself as well:


http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/10/preparing-for-community-charity-thon.html

Here's to building towards a great release,

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Re: Upgrade Edubuntu AMD 64 - login after upgrade not possible

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 09/26/2012 11:23 PM, Tobias k1fri wrote:
hi, i've linked this bug 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1011828 to the 
testcase 
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/238/builds/24217/testcases/1310/results 
as it seems similar (same prompt at login). i hope it's 
appropriate..


i will look into this in more detail tomorrow...


Tobias, can you post the logs from your machine? File using ubuntu-bug?


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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] QA Beta 2/Still no Beta 2 testing notifications?

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On 09/26/2012 07:46 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hi Lance,

all the isos are safely on the tracker[1] They arrived yesterday.

Regards,

Phill
1. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/238/builds

On 26 September 2012 10:16, Lance > wrote:


I notice there are still no Beta 2 testing notifications?

Is Beta 2 being delayed altogether?

I know there were some recent rebuilds of the live images but I'm
a bit puzzled about the lack of notifications. I posted a query at
the forums:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2062790

OTOH I notice the subscriptions now show up properly on the
tracker ;^)

Lance

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From: Phill Whiteside 
Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] QA Beta 2
To: lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net

Cc: "Ubuntu Mailing list" mailto:ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com>>
Date: Monday, September 24, 2012, 9:13 PM

Hi testers,

just for a change, the QA releases for a milestone release are
delayed. There is very good reason for this. The -release team
have stamped their feet and said that we, as QA, will get a
release candidates for Beta 2 that will not need a respin even
before they arrive. Yes, they would have preferred to have our
QA candidate out on time; but I am 100% behind them on this
decision. I ask that you keep an eye on the Beta 2 [1] area
for when the little critters arrive. The last update I had was
that we were awaiting a new kernel build (along with several
'opportunity' fix bugs). I ask that you be patient and keep an
eye on the iso tracker page[1]. Obviously, once they arrive
please jump all over them and get them tested!

Thank you for your patience and continued testing,

Phill.
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Good eye Lance. We also just noticed that although subscriptions now 
work, since we replaced all the testcases, your not getting the notice 
:-) Work is going to be done to migrate you so you get notices again, 
and also to allow you to signup by product instead of testcase (which 
could change). In the interim, if you wish to get a notice, unsubscribe 
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Re: "The crash belongs to a package that is not installed." ???

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On 09/26/2012 06:02 AM, Brendan Donegan wrote:

On 25/09/12 15:54, Brian Murray wrote:

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 09:44:25AM +0200, Gabor Toth wrote:

Just a question here.

 From time to time I get a system crash window popping up and saying
that there was a crash.  I click on send the report - of course - and
then it comes up with another window saying "The crash belongs to a
package that is not installed."

I do not get it.  How can a package crash that is not even installed?
Can anyone light my way in this?

Knowing what the contents of /var/crash is would be helpful in
determining which application crashed.  For example:

/var/crash/_usr_share_apport_apportcheckresume.1000.crash

indicates the application /usr/share/apport/apportcheckresume crashed
and I know that is a part of apport.  (You could check via dpkg -S
/usr/share/apport/apportcheckresume.)  Then I can use apt-cache policy
to see if apport is installed:

apport:
   Installed: 2.5.2-0ubuntu4
   Candidate: 2.5.2-0ubuntu4

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Something similar happens when the version of the package that crashed 
does not match the one in the archive. It is intended to stop bugs 
from being reported on old package versions, but the text is deeply 
confusing. I wonder is it that?


Brendan, afaik, it's there to prevent reporting crashes against old 
package versions (since the new version may have a fix, etc). Makes 
sense of course -- what's confusing about the message?


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Re: Beta 2 Testing -- Unity and ISO Testing!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Vasudevan, yes, run a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade 
first. You'll get updated to the proper version of unity


$ unity --version
unity 6.6.0

You want it to say Unity 6.6 :-)

Nicholas

On 09/24/2012 07:05 PM, Vasudevan Kottilil wrote:

Hi,
I am running quantal beta1 (i386 desktop image in virtual box 4.2 on 
Mac OS X 10.6.8)and not able to see the three categories under 
dash/application-lens (unity lenses test case 1448, step#2)

 recently used apps
 installed
 apps available for download

After clicking on Dash Home, it shows only one row of applications 
under the search bar. Is it supposed to show these categories right 
away after installation or do we need to install some more packages?


Also getting a pop up 'Application Compiz has closed unexpectedly' - 
but not able to consistently reproduce it - saw it 4-5 times.


Thanks for the testing opportunity,
Vasu

Vasudevan Kottilil
vasudeva...@gmail.com <mailto:vasudeva...@gmail.com>


On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Skaggs 
mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>> 
wrote:


Yikes! It's here. Thanks to everyone who's been working on our
testcases. Those of your who use the tracker will notice the new
changes. Thanks again to everyone's work on this.

So, the beta2 images will be landing shortly on the tracker and
will be ready for testing. In addition to this, there's a chance
to do some Unity Testing. If you've been wanting to help this
cycle, but want something easy and quick, this is it! All you need
is a beta2 image, which you can boot to a live session, or install
in a VM. If your running quantal, make sure you up to date. In all
cases you will already have Unity 6.6. What is needed next then is
to have a look at the testcases here -- specifically the 2 marked
as 'mandatory'. They aren't difficult to complete and will help
ensure unity and the new suggestions feature is working well:


http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/237/builds/23813/testcases

And of course, the beta2 images:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/238/builds

Happy Testing everyone! Let's help polish quantal and make sure
it's something we all as a community can be proud of on release day.

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Re: Beta 2 Testing -- Unity and ISO Testing!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 09/24/2012 04:55 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
Yikes! It's here. Thanks to everyone who's been working on our 
testcases. Those of your who use the tracker will notice the new 
changes. Thanks again to everyone's work on this.


So, the beta2 images will be landing shortly on the tracker and will 
be ready for testing. In addition to this, there's a chance to do some 
Unity Testing. If you've been wanting to help this cycle, but want 
something easy and quick, this is it! All you need is a beta2 image, 
which you can boot to a live session, or install in a VM. If your 
running quantal, make sure you up to date. In all cases you will 
already have Unity 6.6. What is needed next then is to have a look at 
the testcases here -- specifically the 2 marked as 'mandatory'. They 
aren't difficult to complete and will help ensure unity and the new 
suggestions feature is working well:


http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/237/builds/23813/testcases

And of course, the beta2 images:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/238/builds

Happy Testing everyone! Let's help polish quantal and make sure it's 
something we all as a community can be proud of on release day.


Nicholas


Just a heads up these images are getting really delayed at this point. 
Best bet is to look for something 12 hours or so from now. I've updated 
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Beta 2 Testing -- Unity and ISO Testing!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Yikes! It's here. Thanks to everyone who's been working on our 
testcases. Those of your who use the tracker will notice the new 
changes. Thanks again to everyone's work on this.


So, the beta2 images will be landing shortly on the tracker and will be 
ready for testing. In addition to this, there's a chance to do some 
Unity Testing. If you've been wanting to help this cycle, but want 
something easy and quick, this is it! All you need is a beta2 image, 
which you can boot to a live session, or install in a VM. If your 
running quantal, make sure you up to date. In all cases you will already 
have Unity 6.6. What is needed next then is to have a look at the 
testcases here -- specifically the 2 marked as 'mandatory'. They aren't 
difficult to complete and will help ensure unity and the new suggestions 
feature is working well:


http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/237/builds/23813/testcases

And of course, the beta2 images:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/238/builds

Happy Testing everyone! Let's help polish quantal and make sure it's 
something we all as a community can be proud of on release day.


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Re: Cannot login after reboot

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On 09/24/2012 09:30 AM, D Akhila Hegde wrote:
Working with quantal desktop. Installed successfully. But unable to 
login after reboot as the cursor disappears once I enter the login 
screen and nothing seems to work. Running it on virtualbox. Some help 
please..


Thanks.

Regards,
Akhila


Akhila, that doesn't sound fun ;-( Are you using a recent iso to 
install? This week is beta2 testing -- you may have simply hit a bug 
with the image.


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Re: CFT: Unity 6.6

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Good catch! Sure, go ahead and open a bug for this. I *think* if you 
search around you may find one already reported, but if so, adding the 
information about it still being an issue is a good thing.


Nicholas

On 09/24/2012 07:15 AM, Fauzi wrote:

Is there any bugs on battery indicator.
the indicator should show half already but the icon still show full

please see attachment




On 09/24/2012 01:24 AM, chris hermansen wrote:

Nicholas, Charlie, list; just to conclude this discussion (from my end
at least):

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Nicholas Skaggs
 wrote:

On 09/21/2012 02:31 PM, chris hermansen wrote:

Back on the laptop, no more top posting.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Charlie Kravetz
 wrote:

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:07 PM, chris hermansen 


wrote:

Unity is not working on my older Toshiba A70, once I log in (This 
machine

automatically falls over to Unity-2d in 12.04 and prior).

Right now I am staring at a nice royal blue screen. The touch pad 
can move
the cursor but that is about it. no decoration of any kind. no 
response to

right clicks.

I can ctrl alt f1 into a terminal session.

at the end of syslog i see warnings few gnome-session:

WARNING: App 'compiz.desktop' respawning too quickly
CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. sorry...

not sure how to file a bug report for this.

It's possible this machine has an old video card that is not supported
by Unity. It has always fallen back to 2d, is it even 3d capable? Or,
does Unity no longer require 3d capability?

Charlie, this laptop ran Gnome 2 with compiz quite well as far as I
could ever tell.
All the 3d and shading stuff seemed to work fine.

However, ever since Unity it has always fallen back to 2d.

It seems to run 2d fine with Compiz replacing Metacity, right up to 
12.04.


It is a Radeon IGP9100.

I had read that this release of Unity was intended to work with 
older cards

due to some new middleware which I cannot now remember.

Indeed, is seems like Charlie is correct in this case then. You 
might just
consider sticking with precise if you want to run unity (which btw, 
isn't
such a bad idea anyway :-) ). Obviously, if your able, keep checking 
out how

the newer releases handle on your laptop, but if it ran unity2d before,
there was a reason it defaulted to it.

Booting into recovery mode, I do not get a unity session (or much of
anything, really - the screen is black, no mouse pointer).

So for now I guess I cannot file any kind of bug report and will stick
with 12.04 or perhaps move to lubuntu.

Thanks for the help and suggestions.






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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: New -experimental drivers for nvidia/fglrx

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 09/23/2012 03:08 PM, Fabio Marconi wrote:

From: Nicholas Skaggs 
Date: 18 September 2012 16:39
Subject: New -experimental drivers for nvidia/fglrx
To: Ubuntu QA 


The technical board has decided to make some tweaks to how the nvidia/fglrx
drivers work inside ubuntu in response to better supporting newer hardware.

An -experimental package for each released Nvidia/fglrx beta driver will be
made availible. Users can install these drivers independently, with a
fallback by default to the stable driver. They will all have -experimental
in the package name and will be selectable as part of software updater's
'additional drivers'.

The packages will come with a warning about stability upon installation, and
the typical SRU requirements will be waived. There will not be a one-week
wait, and while people will respond to bugs found in these drivers,
regressions and bugs can easily occur given the closed binary nature of the
packages as well as the "beta" label given to them by the company releasing
the driver.

What this will allow for is support for newer games and technology as it
becomes available, even when running a stable release. I wanted to let
everyone know to be on the lookout in about 2 weeks for these new drivers to
land into quantal and precise. Additionally, the package names will be
cleaned up next cycle to better represent the packages and prevent
confusion.

Thanks,

Nicholas


Hallo
I've just installed the experimental package of proprietary driver and
it finally fix my problem with nouveau or others nvidia.
There's a way to lay a feedback ?

Thanks
Fabio


That's good to hear Fabio. Umm, I would update your old bug reports with 
the information you found out and wind them down since the new version 
solves your issues.


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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] improved script for burning cds

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On 09/22/2012 03:24 AM, ∅ wrote:

can you all believe we are less than FOUR WEEKS away from release?

if you haven't been putting your heart and soul into testing, now is the time!

to that end, i posted up a script to the lubuntu-qa list recently to grab the 
iso, verify it against published values, burn a cd, and then verify it against 
the iso. there were a few errors in it which i have corrected.

i have also made the script more extensible so later when someone wants to make 
it work for every other derivative and architecture out there it should be easy 
breezy. i also put it on github so feel free to contribute to the development 
of this script for all us, especially if you're partial to some other 
architechture or derivative.

i would have added some of the obvious ones but the file structure and 
available archs are so different for each derivative, i figured it would be 
best for someone with specific experience to take the reigns.

so with no further ado:
https://github.com/wxl/scripts/blob/master/make-ubuntu-iso.sh

enjoy and keep on testing!

wxl

More options are always excellent! ∅ care to modify to push the image to 
a usb drive instead of cd? :-)


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Re: CFT: Unity 6.6

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On 09/21/2012 02:31 PM, chris hermansen wrote:

Back on the laptop, no more top posting.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Charlie Kravetz
 wrote:


On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:07 PM, chris hermansen  wrote:

Unity is not working on my older Toshiba A70, once I log in (This machine
automatically falls over to Unity-2d in 12.04 and prior).

Right now I am staring at a nice royal blue screen. The touch pad can move
the cursor but that is about it. no decoration of any kind. no response to
right clicks.

I can ctrl alt f1 into a terminal session.

at the end of syslog i see warnings few gnome-session:

WARNING: App 'compiz.desktop' respawning too quickly
CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. sorry...

not sure how to file a bug report for this.



It's possible this machine has an old video card that is not supported
by Unity. It has always fallen back to 2d, is it even 3d capable? Or,
does Unity no longer require 3d capability?

Charlie, this laptop ran Gnome 2 with compiz quite well as far as I
could ever tell.
All the 3d and shading stuff seemed to work fine.

However, ever since Unity it has always fallen back to 2d.

It seems to run 2d fine with Compiz replacing Metacity, right up to 12.04.

It is a Radeon IGP9100.

I had read that this release of Unity was intended to work with older cards
due to some new middleware which I cannot now remember.
Indeed, is seems like Charlie is correct in this case then. You might 
just consider sticking with precise if you want to run unity (which btw, 
isn't such a bad idea anyway :-) ). Obviously, if your able, keep 
checking out how the newer releases handle on your laptop, but if it ran 
unity2d before, there was a reason it defaulted to it.


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Re: CFT: Unity 6.6

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Chris, are you able to boot in recovery mode, or boot into an alternate 
desktop? If so, then you should be able to file a bug.


Additionally, how did this come about? Did you update and have this 
issue? Does a livecd from say, today's daily image, boot up and load a 
live session on the machine? Does re-installing unity help at all? I 
would start trying to debug the source of the problem via these 
questions; probably before I even filed the bug so I would be able to 
give good information. When your ready file a bug against unity (and 
mention it's video related, hence it will also file against compiz).


ubuntu-bug unity

Hope this helps!

Nicholas

On 09/21/2012 12:49 PM, chris hermansen wrote:

(bump)

not looking for a fix below, just an idea on how to file a bug report
from a machine whose desktop is not running...

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:07 PM, chris hermansen  wrote:

Unity is not working on my older Toshiba A70, once I log in (This machine
automatically falls over to Unity-2d in 12.04 and prior).

Right now I am staring at a nice royal blue screen. The touch pad can move
the cursor but that is about it. no decoration of any kind. no response to
right clicks.

I can ctrl alt f1 into a terminal session.

at the end of syslog i see warnings few gnome-session:

WARNING: App 'compiz.desktop' respawning too quickly
CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. sorry...

not sure how to file a bug report for this.



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CFT: Unity 6.6

[Nicholas Skaggs]

You've seen the announcements, and if your running quantal, you've got 
the new stuff in front of you. Take a moment to take unity through the 
paces and report anything you find that's out of place:


http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/09/call-for-testing-unity-66-and-lenses.html

Fasten your seatbelts, this next month is going to be BUSY!

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Re: Buildup to beta2 -- Testcase Revamp

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Ok, the changes to the tracker have landed. Thank you Stephane!

Here's a short changelist:

subscriptions page works
better subscriptions report
download availability data (no more 404 errors!)
 time filtering for history and top testers
FAMILY placeholder in testcases (working support for flavors!)
testcases collapsed by default
CSS from Pasi (new look to be feature in testcases; will take some time 
to update the old cases)

better handling of testcase without link

Nicholas


On 09/18/2012 01:34 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
Thanks to everyone who is stepping forward to help with this. I have 
put together a page so everyone can see what's happening with the 
testcases this week:


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates

Remember, our goal is to finish the items listed for beta2 this week 
:-) You might see your name under some work items. If you put forth 
interest in helping, I've added you ;-)
Please do take a look and get started on what's been assigned. If your 
not on the list, it's not too late. Email me your interest, and I can 
help you get started.


Also, I'd like to let everyone know the changes mentioned in the bug 
reports on my first email are coming along. Thank you stgraber for 
helping to get these out! You can see the changes in action on the 
staging site here:


http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/225/builds/16296/testcases/1303/results 

http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/225/builds/16297/testcases/1303/results 



Though one is for ubuntu and the other xubuntu, they are using the 
same testcase -- AND the xubuntu testcase reads 'xubuntu' properly 
instead of ubuntu! Now we have better support for re-using the 
testcase across the flavors. In addition, the testcase is now folded 
by default to make it easier to report results without scrolling 
through the testcase first. Finally, here's a preview of knome's work 
to make our testcases more readable in the tool:


http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/225/builds/16296/testcases/1305/results 



We'll be doing work to switch over the testcases after beta 2.

Thanks!

Nicholas

On 09/13/2012 11:38 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:

On Thursday, September 13, 2012 06:27:40 PM Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
Ok, feature freeze and beta1 craziness is now behind us. Some of you 
may

have noticed, but the first phase of our testcase migration is now
complete. All the old testcases (including the application testcases!)
are now migrated into the tracker. You can see the general application
testcases from last cycle in the 'ubuntu global jam' milestone on the
package tracker:

http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/235/builds

What this means is work can now begin on enhancing and improving the
testcases and testsuites we have. The first testcases being targedt are
the image testcases. As many of you noticed, they need to be updated to
match the new features found in the beta1 installer. To that end 
there's
a few bugs out  there to support rolling out the changes to the 
testcases:


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1039158
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1050489

The goals to have done for beta2 are:

  -Updating testcases for new ubiquity features (webcam take a
picture, lvm, encryption, etc)
  -Adding alternate-only testcases back to the desktop cd's as 
needed

(need testcases for the livecd, memtest, etc)
  -Migration of ubuntu testcases to all flavors (the changes above
should allow this to happen)
  -Finishing the last ubuntu server testcases for rollout

In regards to the flavor testcases, flavor specific pieces will be
additional testcases on-top of the default ubuntu testcases. The bugs
above will support varying the displaying of
'ubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu studio/mythbuntu/edubuntu' 
inside

the testcases, allowing us to share all the bulk of maintenance as much
as possible. I know some of you have been helpful in wanting to write
testcases. There is actually a team of folks

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins/ManagementOverview

and a specific format

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat

that is being followed. If your interested in helping, please get in
touch with me. You can help write testcases, verify testcases that have
been written, help out with migrating testcases, etc.
For Kubuntu, it looks like the KDE U/I for the lvm and encryption 
changes will
land before beta 2, so we'll need to make sure those test cases 
appear for
Kubuntu live images as well.  We're also likely to drop the 
alternates during
beta 2 if we get a fully qualified set of desktop images, so we'd 
also need the

alternate only cases added to Kubuntu desktop as well.

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Re: Introduction

[Nicholas Skaggs]

∅, you have more machines than I my friend. Hold your head very high and 
proud. Your a testing guru :-)


Nicholas

On 09/18/2012 08:07 PM, ∅ wrote:

Well, I hang my head in shame as I say this because I haven't been actually 
testing that much, but I've got 6+ machines and countless VMs. So touché! I say 
encourage people to aspire to great heights and accept them where they're at. :)

On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:42:12 +0800
Ho Wan Chan  wrote:


Well of course more testing the better, but then if you are not
Nicholas or Phill you won certainly have that much machines or VMs.



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Re: Introduction

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Just as an fyi -- #ubuntu-qa isn't a "special" channel, it's the old 
channel that was closed to consolidate with #ubuntu-testing. No one can 
get into it :-) It used to redirect automagically, I guess they stopped 
that.



Nicholas

On 09/18/2012 07:32 PM, Ho Wan Chan wrote:

Gee some wrong info given by wxl...

1. If you notice #ubuntu-qa is invite only. Please use #ubuntu-testing.

2. I think it is the best to test the distro that you are now using.

Anyway, welcome to the testing/QA team!

Regards,
Howard Chan (smartboyhw)

2012/9/19 ∅ :

Welcome Adrian!

If you don't have a Launchpad account, get one:
https://login.launchpad.net/8XZb0RscX7K2WnFD/+new_account
You'll need it. This is the bug tracker and code repository.

Speaking of which, I think the most fundamental part of QA is testing, 
identifying bugs, and gathering the information necessary to squash them. Right 
now, being between releases (beta1 is out and beta2 is due soon on the 27th 
with the final release being October 18th), testing daily builds is crucial. 
That being said, you can use the tracker to help you figure out what to do:
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/

Of course, then you'll need to report some bugs which this should help with:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs

Finally, for my own personal bias, I will encourage you to look into the other 
derivatives, especially Lubuntu because it is the best :)
http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives

Hopefully that gives you a good start.

If you need help, feel free to pop into #ubuntu-qa on Freenode IRC.

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Re: Buildup to beta2 -- Testcase Revamp

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Thanks to everyone who is stepping forward to help with this. I have put 
together a page so everyone can see what's happening with the testcases 
this week:


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates

Remember, our goal is to finish the items listed for beta2 this week :-) 
You might see your name under some work items. If you put forth interest 
in helping, I've added you ;-)
Please do take a look and get started on what's been assigned. If your 
not on the list, it's not too late. Email me your interest, and I can 
help you get started.


Also, I'd like to let everyone know the changes mentioned in the bug 
reports on my first email are coming along. Thank you stgraber for 
helping to get these out! You can see the changes in action on the 
staging site here:


http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/225/builds/16296/testcases/1303/results
http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/225/builds/16297/testcases/1303/results

Though one is for ubuntu and the other xubuntu, they are using the same 
testcase -- AND the xubuntu testcase reads 'xubuntu' properly instead of 
ubuntu! Now we have better support for re-using the testcase across the 
flavors. In addition, the testcase is now folded by default to make it 
easier to report results without scrolling through the testcase first. 
Finally, here's a preview of knome's work to make our testcases more 
readable in the tool:


http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/225/builds/16296/testcases/1305/results

We'll be doing work to switch over the testcases after beta 2.

Thanks!

Nicholas

On 09/13/2012 11:38 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:

On Thursday, September 13, 2012 06:27:40 PM Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

Ok, feature freeze and beta1 craziness is now behind us. Some of you may
have noticed, but the first phase of our testcase migration is now
complete. All the old testcases (including the application testcases!)
are now migrated into the tracker. You can see the general application
testcases from last cycle in the 'ubuntu global jam' milestone on the
package tracker:

http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/235/builds

What this means is work can now begin on enhancing and improving the
testcases and testsuites we have. The first testcases being targedt are
the image testcases. As many of you noticed, they need to be updated to
match the new features found in the beta1 installer. To that end there's
a few bugs out  there to support rolling out the changes to the testcases:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1039158
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1050489

The goals to have done for beta2 are:

  -Updating testcases for new ubiquity features (webcam take a
picture, lvm, encryption, etc)
  -Adding alternate-only testcases back to the desktop cd's as needed
(need testcases for the livecd, memtest, etc)
  -Migration of ubuntu testcases to all flavors (the changes above
should allow this to happen)
  -Finishing the last ubuntu server testcases for rollout

In regards to the flavor testcases, flavor specific pieces will be
additional testcases on-top of the default ubuntu testcases. The bugs
above will support varying the displaying of
'ubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu studio/mythbuntu/edubuntu' inside
the testcases, allowing us to share all the bulk of maintenance as much
as possible. I know some of you have been helpful in wanting to write
testcases. There is actually a team of folks

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins/ManagementOverview

and a specific format

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat

that is being followed. If your interested in helping, please get in
touch with me. You can help write testcases, verify testcases that have
been written, help out with migrating testcases, etc.

For Kubuntu, it looks like the KDE U/I for the lvm and encryption changes will
land before beta 2, so we'll need to make sure those test cases appear for
Kubuntu live images as well.  We're also likely to drop the alternates during
beta 2 if we get a fully qualified set of desktop images, so we'd also need the
alternate only cases added to Kubuntu desktop as well.

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Re: gnome disks test cases

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Karl, you mean the 'disks' utility? No there are no tests as of yet, but 
please feel free to write some and propose to the list. Follow the 
proper format if possible:


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat

Nicholas

On 09/17/2012 04:34 AM, Karl Anliot wrote:

the application that is replacing palimpest, i'd like to see if it's
as bad as i think it is.
are there test cases for it?
for example it's more difficult to test if i don't know what it's supposed to do
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: New -experimental drivers for nvidia/fglrx

[Nicholas Skaggs]

At the moment, there isn't any plans for testing these new drivers as 
they come into place. However, ideas are starting to come forward on how 
we might be able to help test in support of this new process. I'm open 
to your thoughts :-) As you mentioned, we could track the drivers and 
create a tracker for them if desired.. Testcases would need to be 
created in that case in support of the testing.


Nicholas

On 09/18/2012 11:43 AM, Ho Wan Chan wrote:

Gee I don´t have Nvidia drivers so I can´t test it.

Nicholas, is it that the Drivers will have their own testcase in the
packages tracker?

Regards,
Howard (smartboyhw)

2012/9/18 Phill Whiteside :

F.Y.I.

Regards,

Phill.

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From: Nicholas Skaggs 
Date: 18 September 2012 16:39
Subject: New -experimental drivers for nvidia/fglrx
To: Ubuntu QA 


The technical board has decided to make some tweaks to how the nvidia/fglrx
drivers work inside ubuntu in response to better supporting newer hardware.

An -experimental package for each released Nvidia/fglrx beta driver will be
made availible. Users can install these drivers independently, with a
fallback by default to the stable driver. They will all have -experimental
in the package name and will be selectable as part of software updater's
'additional drivers'.

The packages will come with a warning about stability upon installation, and
the typical SRU requirements will be waived. There will not be a one-week
wait, and while people will respond to bugs found in these drivers,
regressions and bugs can easily occur given the closed binary nature of the
packages as well as the "beta" label given to them by the company releasing
the driver.

What this will allow for is support for newer games and technology as it
becomes available, even when running a stable release. I wanted to let
everyone know to be on the lookout in about 2 weeks for these new drivers to
land into quantal and precise. Additionally, the package names will be
cleaned up next cycle to better represent the packages and prevent
confusion.

Thanks,

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New -experimental drivers for nvidia/fglrx

[Nicholas Skaggs]

The technical board has decided to make some tweaks to how the 
nvidia/fglrx drivers work inside ubuntu in response to better supporting 
newer hardware.


An -experimental package for each released Nvidia/fglrx beta driver will 
be made availible. Users can install these drivers independently, with a 
fallback by default to the stable driver. They will all have 
-experimental in the package name and will be selectable as part of 
software updater's 'additional drivers'.


The packages will come with a warning about stability upon installation, 
and the typical SRU requirements will be waived. There will not be a 
one-week wait, and while people will respond to bugs found in these 
drivers, regressions and bugs can easily occur given the closed binary 
nature of the packages as well as the "beta" label given to them by the 
company releasing the driver.


What this will allow for is support for newer games and technology as it 
becomes available, even when running a stable release. I wanted to let 
everyone know to be on the lookout in about 2 weeks for these new 
drivers to land into quantal and precise. Additionally, the package 
names will be cleaned up next cycle to better represent the packages and 
prevent confusion.


Thanks,

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Re: Latest daily build is buggy!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Yes, make sure your mouse is working properly -- try booting from a 
livecd where you know the mouse worked if you don't have a second mouse 
to test :-)


Nicholas

On 09/18/2012 09:50 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hi John,

this may sound blindingly obvious, but can you try with a different 
mouse? For any one to try and duplicate the issue you must raise a bug 
against the specific version of the large family that is ubuntu on 
which you are seeing this[1].


Thanks,

Phill
1. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds

On 18 September 2012 14:34, John Kim > wrote:


Hello QA

So far, the daily builds have been fine and quite stable until the
 one a few days ago.  I almost can't trust my mouse, because it is
perpetually right-clicking, and if I move my cursor, it creates a
drag space. It was as if my left click is null.  Following the
weird mouse, my computer starts heating up.

What issue is this?  Also, if it exists, where can I find the
changelog for the daily builds?

Thanks.
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This week in QA

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Hello All. I just wanted to mention a few things that are going on this 
week with quantal and plans for testing. Beta 2 is coming up next week 
and the first images will land by Monday. Be prepared next week for iso 
testing :-)


For those of you running quantal, there's some interesting changes landing;

a new photos lens, and a new gwibber lens (still coming!)
remote login support in the greeter
new wallpaper packages
more llvmpipe and unity improvements

And for everyone else, check out the new and improved 
https://errors.ubuntu.com/ site. If you haven't seen the site before, it 
collects stats (for those who opt-in) on crashes that happen on ubuntu. 
You can see common trends, common bugs encountered and some nice graphs 
depicting what's happening in both quantal and precise.



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Re: first day of school

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Karl, did grub 2 not treat you well? +1 for the "overlords" joke!

Nicholas

On 09/15/2012 06:23 AM, Karl Anliot wrote:

It's the first day of school, and none of the devs have remembered to
bring pencils or paper.
Did an software-update with software-updater, and installed grub,
which promptly rebooted into grub recovery.
After messing about with a very buggy livecd, which insisted on
booting into graphics mode 
I've decided to surrender to the bugs.  Please accept my surrender to
the less than 10 bugs that bit me when trying to use the Lubuntu
liveCD.  It's the only logical choice.
I for one, welcome my new buggy overlords.




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Re: libreoffice bug...

[Nicholas Skaggs]

John, try taking a video or picture of what's happening. Can you 
reproduce the bug? Getting someone else to confirm the bug is the first 
step to helping it get solved. Being able to reproduce it is important 
to being able to fix ;-)


Nicholas

On 09/15/2012 05:57 AM, Karl Anliot wrote:

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:34 PM, John Kim  wrote:

I caught this bug on libreoffice while doing some homework yesterday?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1051121

Should I forward this to ubuntu-bugs mailing list?  Thanks.


No don't forward it to ubutu-bugs.

If you're sure it's not your mouse.  (and i tested it on 12.10 on some
config files in Libreoffice writer)
file it here and link your LP bug to it.
Here is how to file upstream:
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Re: Daily build vs. alpha/beta

[Nicholas Skaggs]

John, also note that during these focused testing periods (alpha, beta 
testing), the images we are testing are the latest daily builds. Sure, 
now beta1 is old, so if you wanted to do testing today for an image, you 
should use today's image. At the time we were testing however, it was 
the daily build. The workflow I follow is to run the development version 
and keep it up to date with the changes. I will continue to use the 
programs I normally do in my daily usage, and try out new things over 
the course of the cycle to look for bugs. I will also do specific calls 
for testing that focus on a specific package or packages and test those 
as well. Finally, when it comes time to release an image, I will install 
and test that image to make sure it's good. Testing the image is mostly 
about making sure it installs a good working system. The software that 
comes with or can be installed after is the focus on the day to day 
testing and running of the development version of ubuntu. Run the 
development version long enough, and you'll find bugs in things you use 
or install. Thanks,



Nicholas

On 09/15/2012 08:40 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hi John,

there is a thing called regression. Simply put, a minor bug fix then 
re-opens a load of bugs that were in containment. This also can occur 
when the devs bring together several bugs into one release. If they 
were to put out one release per day / per bug. 12.10 could be 
expected about the year 2020.


We use the alpha / betas as benchmarks, anything thing that makes 
things worse is a regression,


I hope that explains things to you, please feel free to ask further 
questions.


Regards,

Phill.

On 15 September 2012 23:40, John Kim > wrote:


Hello QA,

I've been attending school for a few weeks now. I will get my act
together and continue contributing.

Anyway, I see that a lot of qa testers are trying out the betas
and catching some bugs.

I understand that the daily builds are the latest,
up-to-the-minute Ubuntu distribution, but why do QA Testers flock
over to the alphas/betas to go test for them?  Why do they not
test the latest daily build in such droves?

Most Ubuntu developers stick to the daily builds to do their dev
work on it.  To what extent is the daily build useful for the QA
Tester?

Thanks, and have a good day!

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Re: Best mailing list to share bugs?

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Yes. If you unsure if what you've found is a bug, you can share it with 
this list, or hop on irc and ask on #ubuntu-testing or #ubuntu-bugs or 
perhaps even #ubuntu+1. They might even be able to help confirm the bug 
for you.


Nicholas

On 09/16/2012 12:55 PM, Omer Akram wrote:

you want to report that to launchpad as a bug.

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:31 PM, John Kim > wrote:


I run the daily build of quantal.

I tried installing ibus-hangul from the software center, but I
received this error message. I'm sure it's because ibus-hangul
isn't compatible with quantal yet.

In which mailing list can I share such issues?   Thanks.

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Buildup to beta2 -- Testcase Revamp

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Ok, feature freeze and beta1 craziness is now behind us. Some of you may 
have noticed, but the first phase of our testcase migration is now 
complete. All the old testcases (including the application testcases!) 
are now migrated into the tracker. You can see the general application 
testcases from last cycle in the 'ubuntu global jam' milestone on the 
package tracker:


http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/235/builds

What this means is work can now begin on enhancing and improving the 
testcases and testsuites we have. The first testcases being targedt are 
the image testcases. As many of you noticed, they need to be updated to 
match the new features found in the beta1 installer. To that end there's 
a few bugs out  there to support rolling out the changes to the testcases:


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1039158
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1050489

The goals to have done for beta2 are:

-Updating testcases for new ubiquity features (webcam take a 
picture, lvm, encryption, etc)
-Adding alternate-only testcases back to the desktop cd's as needed 
(need testcases for the livecd, memtest, etc)
-Migration of ubuntu testcases to all flavors (the changes above 
should allow this to happen)

-Finishing the last ubuntu server testcases for rollout

In regards to the flavor testcases, flavor specific pieces will be 
additional testcases on-top of the default ubuntu testcases. The bugs 
above will support varying the displaying of 
'ubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu studio/mythbuntu/edubuntu' inside 
the testcases, allowing us to share all the bulk of maintenance as much 
as possible. I know some of you have been helpful in wanting to write 
testcases. There is actually a team of folks


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins/ManagementOverview

and a specific format

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat

that is being followed. If your interested in helping, please get in 
touch with me. You can help write testcases, verify testcases that have 
been written, help out with migrating testcases, etc.


Thanks everyone!

Nicholas

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Grub 2.0 Landing in Quantal

[Nicholas Skaggs]

A major updating of grub to 2.0 is happening now in quantal. This change 
drops alot of custom patches and brings quantal in line with upstream, 
fixing bugs and offering a better experience (hopefully!). That said, if 
you find any issues or find yourself unable to boot, etc, as always have 
a plan in place. Make sure you have a copy of a live usb or cd image of 
ubuntu to recover with.


https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/grub2/2.00-3ubuntu1

If you need any help, feel free to ping the list, IRC, or consult the 
ubuntu wiki on repairing grub. Safe testing everyone!


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Re: Quantal Beta1 ISO Testing underway

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I believe the rollover is sometime early in the morning 0600-0800 UTC? I 
write it down, but then forget anyway :-) Looking at the history it 
looks like sometimes it's building at closer to  UTC though. I think 
you just got caught as the image rolled over is all.


Nicholas

On 09/10/2012 05:15 AM, Full Circle Podcast wrote:

Nicholas,
perhaps I've simply landed at an inconvenient time, but the daily i386 
zsync is missing:
zsync 
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120910/quantal-desktop-i386.iso.zsync


I've submitted in a bug #1048548.

I don't know actually know what time of day this normally refreshes, 
so as to always get the latest daily.


Looks like an outage to me.
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Re: xubuntu documentation

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Jackson, good eyes. Knome, phillw, myself and some other QA folks from 
the various flavors discussed how the flavors might be able to make use 
of the new testcase formats and process in the tracker. As part of this 
knome and myself updated the old testcases to the new format. Knome was 
then going to add back the xubuntu specific tests so everything would be 
on the tracker. Raising the issue is the best way to report you noticed 
the change. Is something now missing?



Nicholas

On 09/05/2012 04:29 PM, Jackson Doak wrote:
on the testing tracker xubuntu amd64 manual partitioning has had the 
similar ubuntu testcase copied to it. how should this bug be reported?





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Quantal Beta1 ISO Testing underway

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I hope everyone had a great weekend (and for some, a great LONG weekend 
:-)). Beta1 is well underway, and for those who haven't yet had a chance 
to hop in and test the iso's, please take a moment and do so. As you all 
know last week many of the images had issues with critical bugs or with 
even building. Now is the time to finish squashing those bugs; so please 
do follow-up on anything you found while testing last week to make sure 
it's been correct.


Here's a link to the builds;
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds

As always, if you need help, the mailing list and#ubuntu-testing on 
freenode is here to help. In addition, the wiki has information on 
isotesting:


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough

Happy testing to everyone!

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Re: Reboot Suspended

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I believe this is the bug in question for Akilha:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1008873

Nicholas

On 09/03/2012 04:04 AM, D Akhila Hegde wrote:

There was a little progress, but it stopped again.
Link to screen shot:
http://imagebin.org/226982

Regards,
Akhila


On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 12:02 PM, D Akhila Hegde > wrote:


Will reinstall the same build and check again to see if it's
actually a problem with the build or 'just' happened :)
Will get back once I'm done.


On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:31 AM, Phill Whiteside mailto:phi...@ubuntu.com>> wrote:

Hi Akhila,

There is another gremlin that has been around for a while that
has recently re surfaced. You will be kept in the loop as to
if the LTSP and VM bug should be filed as the same, but
affecting different systems; or that they are two completely
separate bugs with the same end result.

On the thread LTSP not shutting down, you will see my
question. It will probably take a few days to get a best how
to file this / these bug(s), but we will try to get them
logged with sufficient details for the devs to work with.

Once again, thanks for taking the time to flag this up.

Regards,

Phill.

On 2 September 2012 20:20, D Akhila Hegde
mailto:akhilahe...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Greetings!

After the installation of Quantal desktop (build 20120902)
on VirtualBox, the system went down for reboot.
But system did not reboot at all even after a wait of
almost 40 minutes! Didn't know whether to raise a bug.

Screen shot link:

http://imagebin.org/226916

http://imagebin.org/226917

Regards,
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Re: New Member

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Welcome Brian! Yes, do take a look at our wiki page and familiarize 
yourself with it. Next week we will be testing the beta iso's, which 
will contain all the expected features for quantal (since feature freeze 
has occurred ;-) ). Our goal is to help squash bugs and ready the images 
for release. Have a look at:


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker

and the walkthroughs for isotesting, and 'calls for testing'

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CallforTesting/Walkthrough

They should help you become familiar with how the tools work that we use 
to test.


Nicholas

On 08/29/2012 11:01 PM, Ho Wan Chan wrote:
Hello Brian! Glad to have you! Have a look at our wiki page if you 
haven't yet, particularly the 'Next Steps' section. Look through the 
activities page, and depending on your time and interest have a look 
at the qatracker and the isos and packages out there now available for 
testing.


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam

Let us know if you need any help, and welcome! Stay tuned to the list 
for special testing events as well. And as always, feel free to ask 
questions.


Have a great week.

Regards,
Howard Chan (smartboyhw @ Freenode)
Ubuntu Studio Team Member (Documentation, testing and support), Ubuntu 
Testcase Admins Team Member, Ubuntu Testing Team Member



2012/8/30 Brian Carr >


Hi, my name is Brian Carr.  I'm a sophomore at Ohio State who just
switched into Computer Science and Engineering at the beginning of
this year.  I do have some programming experience (mostly C/C++
but also some java and python), but I have never done anything
like this. I have a strong interest in getting involved with open
source, and I thought that this would be a good place to start.
 Just let me know how to get started, and any advice you may have
for me is greatly appreciated.  I'm excited to start working with
the Ubuntu team!

Cheers,
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Re: Call for Testing: Compiz & Unity

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On 08/21/2012 12:20 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
Unity testing! This bas been my favorite testing each cycle -- I just 
love seeing the new stuff come out. A new version of unity has 
arrived, stock full of compiz fixes. The team has removed metacity 
completely, and also migrated to gsettings from gconf. The result is 
removal of unity2d, and the enablement of llvmpipe on unity for those 
running without hardware acceleration.


The gsettings migration especially needs to be tested, and is the 
primary testcase. In addition, there are some multi-monitor unity bugs 
to help triage if you are able. Sadly, I just upgraded to a one 
monitor display from my dual monitors last cycle, so I can't speak to 
multi-monitor unity anymore.


Full details on my blog: 
http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/08/call-for-testing-compiz-unity.html


Happy Testing!

Nicholas





Excellent work everyone! 11 folks helped test and filed 13 bugs against 
the new unity.


bkerensa, carla-sella, fabiomarconi, nick-athens30, smartboyhw, 
siddhanathan, l-f-kempe,  twocamels,  loneowais, jbicha


Several have already been fixed. The version we tested in the ppa should 
land in quantal very soon, and as such, I've marked the testing as 
'released'. For those of you who installed from the ppa, you can safely 
remove it if you've not done so.


Thank you!

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Reporting Bugs

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I'm happy to report we're doing excellent work on finding bugs :-) Up 
until now, many of our bugs have been filed only against ubiquity, which 
then requires someone to manually triage if it's not a ubiquity bug.


Since we know it's important to file the bug properly in order to get 
the bug seen and fixed, I worked with one of the ubiquity developers to 
put together a handy chart to help you when filing iso tracker bugs. 
This way, you can file it against the proper package and increase the 
odds it will be seen by the right developers in order to be worked and 
fixed. With that in mind, check out an example of what the bug reporting 
page now looks like:


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22117/buginstructions

Additionally, I would encourage all of you to read some of the bugsquad 
documentation on reporting bugs;


https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage

Think of this as essential reading for being a better bug reporter :-) 
Don't worry! I'm also still learning, and I trust I'm becoming better 
with each bug I file. The key is to put forth your best effort each 
time, and keep filing bugs. You'll learn as time goes on. Also, note 
that the bugsquad maintains an IRC channel as well #ubuntu-bugs, and can 
help support you should you run into some specific trouble on filing. As 
always, everyone on this list is also here to help.


I hope these instructions clear some of the confusion surrounding what 
to do when something breaks during iso testing. Thanks!


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Re: A Question

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Akhila, yep note the bug number and place it in the bug list. If you 
continue to see the bug over many builds, consider mentioning it here to 
raise the visibility of the bug (assuming it's of a critical nature). 
Has your bug been confirmed?



Nicholas

On 08/29/2012 10:21 AM, D Akhila Hegde wrote:

Greetings!

Just a quick question.
How to file a result when a testcase is successfully executed and 
still has a previously raised bug? Just commenting with the bug number 
enough?





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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Pushing the envelope .. Ubiquity Entire Drive Encrypted Install

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Ron, yep d-i for debian installer...

On 08/28/2012 11:00 AM, Ron Mitchell wrote:

Ok, think I got it.  Debian - Install  right??

Ron M.
On 27-Aug-12, at 8:09 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:


On 08/27/2012 08:12 PM, Greg Faith wrote:
Okay, since we are might see the demise of the d-i this cycle.. I 
decided to install the encrypted entire drive with ubiquity on a 
Lubuntu Desktop amd64 12.10 current daily build 20120827.. Well even 
on my Lenovo with nvidia-xorg issues I did complete the install and 
now I am thinking about trying out the Ubuntu Desktop amd64 current 
daily build too.


Anyway it appears we will need some tests added to the qa-tracker 
for the new ubiquity encrypted install. Guess I will log this one 
under normal entire drive and note that it was encrypted install ??


Greg nm_geo 
Greg, yep! We do need a testcase added for this.. We'll need to 
migrate some of the alternate testcases over as well. Is that a 
volunteer to write the case? :-)


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat

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Re: [U+1] Fwd: Proposal to drop Ubuntu alternate CDs for 12.10

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 08/28/2012 09:34 AM, Anthony Byrne wrote:

I agree with A. Grandi! The alternate installer is *much* more stable
than any live CD. And what about SSH installation?

I second the community vote idea, as well. The other *buntus are very
likely to follow suit, so I believe in at least giving the public a
heads-up.

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On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:23 AM, "a.gra...@gmail.com"  wrote:


Hi,

On 28 August 2012 07:04, Nicholas Skaggs  wrote:

FYI -- as spoken of earlier, here's the details on dropping the alternate
installer in 12.10. Again, this is just for ubuntu, and not a decision for
any flavors. As far as I know, no flavors have committed to dropping the
alternate cd's. This transition will occur with the next milestone, which is
Beta 1. As part of this, we'll need to migrate the alternate testcases and
add new testcases in support of the new features in ubiquity. Thanks!

so you have already decided? I did think there was a discussion before
proceding, but it looks like this change will already take its effect
starting from the next beta. Don't you think we should ask first the
community what they think about? It's non sense that in less than 24
hours you start the discussion on ubuntu-devel and you have already
decided for everyone. I can't get it, sorry.

Let me say that this is the worst idea ever proposed! I won't be able
to use Ubuntu on my desktop anymore because I'm using a RAID 1 setup
and I want to do a safe installation not using some workaround later
after installation and risking to loose my data.

Even more, alternate install CD is the only way for some PC to
complete the installation. You can't imagine how many time I had to
use alternate installer because ubiquity was freezing.

I really cannot understand how you can propose something that will
make Ubuntu worse than it is,
We're supposed to make Ubuntu BETTER not worse.

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As Brendan said, I would encourage those of you who have concerns to 
post them back to the ubuntu-devel list @ Steve et la for discussion. If 
you remember back to UDS, the original idea as discussed was that no 
functionality would be lost (aka, the live cd would get support for 
everything the alternate cd could do). They've come close, but RAID 
support didn't quite happen.


Note that If the alternates are dropped for ubuntu, going forward, if 
you wish to install with RAID (or simply want to use an alternative 
installer) you still have the option of using the netboot or mini iso.



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Fwd: Proposal to drop Ubuntu alternate CDs for 12.10

[Nicholas Skaggs]

FYI -- as spoken of earlier, here's the details on dropping the 
alternate installer in 12.10. Again, this is just for ubuntu, and not a 
decision for any flavors. As far as I know, no flavors have committed to 
dropping the alternate cd's. This transition will occur with the next 
milestone, which is Beta 1. As part of this, we'll need to migrate the 
alternate testcases and add new testcases in support of the new features 
in ubiquity. Thanks!


Nicholas

 Original Message 
Subject:Proposal to drop Ubuntu alternate CDs for 12.10
Date:   Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:50:24 -0700
From:   Steve Langasek 
To: ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com



Dear developers,

As part of ongoing efforts to reduce the number of images we ship for
Ubuntu, and to make the desktop image more useful in a variety of scenarios,
Dmitrijs Ledkovs has been hard at work in quantal adding support for LVM,
cryptsetup, and RAID to ubiquity.

The good news is that this means today we already have support in ubiquity
for cryptsetup and LVM in the guided partitioner, with manual partitioning
support soon to follow.  The somewhat bad news is that we will not have
support for RAID setup in ubiquity this cycle.

I would like to propose that, in spite of not reaching 100% feature parity,
we drop the Ubuntu alternate installer for 12.10 anyway.

The arguments that I see in favor of this are:

 - RAID is relatively straightforward to turn on post-install.  You install
   to one disk, boot to the system, assemble a degraded RAID with the other
   disks, copy your data, reboot to the degraded RAID, and finally merge
   your install disk into the array.  It's not quick, but it's *possible*.
 - Desktop installs on RAID will still be supported by other paths: using
   either netboot or server CDs and installing the desktop task.
 - RAID on the desktop really is a minority use case.  Laptops almost never
   have room for more than one hard drive; desktops can but are rarely
   equipped with them.  So the set of affected users is very small.  Some
   rough analysis of bug data in launchpad suggests a very liberal upper
   bound of .8% of desktop users.
 - RAID on the desktop correlates with conservatism in other areas:  we can
   probably continue to recommend 12.04 instead of 12.10 for the affected
   users.
 - It lets us tighten our focus on making the desktop CD shine: fewer images
   to QA, fewer different paths to get right (like the CD apt upgrader case)
   means more time to focus on the things that matter.

So my opinion is that we should drop the Ubuntu alternate CDs with Beta 1.
Other flavors are free to continue building alternate CDs (i.e.,
"debian-installer" CDs) according to their preference, but we would drop
them for Ubuntu and direct users to one of the above-mentioned alternatives
if they care about RAID on desktop installs.

Please note one implication here that, with the possibility of not having
i386 server CDs for 12.10, the only install option for an i386 user wanting
RAID on a desktop would be to install via netboot or with the mini ISO.

Do any of you see reasons for not making this change, and dropping the
alternate CDs?  Are there shortcomings to the proposed fallback solutions
that we haven't identified here?

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Re: Pushing the envelope .. Ubiquity Entire Drive Encrypted Install

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 08/27/2012 08:12 PM, Greg Faith wrote:
Okay, since we are might see the demise of the d-i this cycle.. I 
decided to install the encrypted entire drive with ubiquity on a 
Lubuntu Desktop amd64 12.10 current daily build 20120827.. Well even 
on my Lenovo with nvidia-xorg issues I did complete the install and 
now I am thinking about trying out the Ubuntu Desktop amd64 current 
daily build too.


Anyway it appears we will need some tests added to the qa-tracker for 
the new ubiquity encrypted install. Guess I will log this one under 
normal entire drive and note that it was encrypted install ??


Greg nm_geo 
Greg, yep! We do need a testcase added for this.. We'll need to migrate 
some of the alternate testcases over as well. Is that a volunteer to 
write the case? :-)


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat

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Re: Intro

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 08/27/2012 10:47 AM, Vasudevan Kottilil wrote:

Hello,
I just joined this list and thank you for the opportunity to 
contribute to ubuntu qa.


I have extensive previous development experience (apps) and currently 
working at Cisco in one of their dev-test teams.  I am interested in 
the manual testing of both server and desktop distributions with an 
objective of learning the OS in depth and hopefully move on to 
contribute to development/maintenance of QA/automation tools.


Look forward to working with all of you.
Thanks again,
Vasu

Vasudevan Kottilil


Hello Vasudevan! Glad to hear your interested in contributing to ubuntu 
qa! A great place to start learning about manual testing for 
desktop/server is to go through the isotesting testcases for each. 
Here's a link for information on both the qatracker, and specifically 
the isotracker which is where results and testcases are stored:


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough

Let us know if you need any help! Feel free to ask questions!

Thanks,

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Re: ARM Wiki sd-install update

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 08/27/2012 01:15 PM, Carla Sella wrote:

On 08/27/2012 05:44 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

On 08/27/2012 11:29 AM, Elfy wrote:

On 27/08/12 16:16, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

On 08/27/2012 10:01 AM, Elfy wrote:

On 20/08/12 23:46, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:


For those of you braving ARM installations, I tried an sd-based 
installation this week and updated the instructions on the wiki 
page. Elfy, Carla, et la, I can confirm your findings of this bug(s):


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1036742
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1036988
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-installer/+bug/313452

and the workaround. It's documented for now on the page:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/QA/Pandaboard

Thanks!
Nicholas



Got today's .img

Tried following the wiki to the letter.

I am almost positive I am doing something wrong here :)

I do *sudo umount /dev/sdd

*I do *sudo dd bs=4M if=quantal-desktop-armhf+omap4.img 
of=/dev/sdd ; sudo sync


*It looks like it's doing something - terminal tells me it's done 
something.


If I try to just boot the image on the card without worrying about 
installing it - left hand board led lights up only.



File manager tells me there is exactly nothing on the card.

Gparted tells me that there now no partitions on the card.

Now - what I am not sure of is whether I have other bugs on this 
12.10 system I run causing all this lol



Elfy, what's 'sudo fdisk l' show.? /dev/sdd is your usb disk right? 
:-) And yes, after your run the dd command, the usb disk should 
have partitions on it and files..one is a boot partititon, athe 
other contains the installer and files.


Nicholas

Whoops - there's a blank one flying about too ...

Anyway - this is fdisk/umount/dd and then fdisk again

sudo fdisk -l
[sudo] password for hob:

...

Disk /dev/sdd: 7948 MB, 7948206080 bytes
245 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1021 cylinders, total 15523840 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id System
hob@sidh:~$ sudo umount /dev/sdc
umount: /dev/sdc: not mounted
hob@sidh:~$ cd Desktop/
hob@sidh:~/Desktop$ sudo dd bs=4M
if=quantal-desktop-armhf+omap4.img of=/dev/sdd ; sudo sync
5+1 records in
5+1 records out
22740992 bytes (23 MB) copied, 1.93299 s, 11.8 MB/s
hob@sidh:~/Desktop$ sudo fdisk -l

...

Disk /dev/sdd: 7948 MB, 7948206080 bytes
245 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1021 cylinders, total 15523840 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id System
hob@sidh:~/Desktop$






You umounted /dev/sdc :-) You have to unmount a parition anyways, so 
it would be something like /dev/sdd1, etc. Try putting a partition on 
/dev/sdd , making sure you can mount it, and then issuing the dd 
command. Obviously it will be wiped by dd, but let's  confirm the 
disk is working.



Nicholas





Hello,
I tried too to download today's image, but strangely it's only 22MB 
big, normally it was 660MB.
I tried to copy it to my SD card as I have always done, but when you 
then launch gparted you get no partitions on it.
I checked the md5sum and it's ok, but 22M can't be right, could there 
be something wrong with the image loaded on the iso tracker ?

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Yikes! 22mb file? Elfy, Carla, yep definitely not a valid image. I 
marked it for re-build. As I mentioned, this week is going to be crazy 
with images failing all over the place. Keep your eyes open!


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Re: ARM Wiki sd-install update

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 08/27/2012 11:29 AM, Elfy wrote:

On 27/08/12 16:16, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

On 08/27/2012 10:01 AM, Elfy wrote:

On 20/08/12 23:46, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:


For those of you braving ARM installations, I tried an sd-based 
installation this week and updated the instructions on the wiki 
page. Elfy, Carla, et la, I can confirm your findings of this bug(s):


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1036742
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1036988
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-installer/+bug/313452

and the workaround. It's documented for now on the page:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/QA/Pandaboard

Thanks!
Nicholas



Got today's .img

Tried following the wiki to the letter.

I am almost positive I am doing something wrong here :)

I do *sudo umount /dev/sdd

*I do *sudo dd bs=4M if=quantal-desktop-armhf+omap4.img of=/dev/sdd 
; sudo sync


*It looks like it's doing something - terminal tells me it's done 
something.


If I try to just boot the image on the card without worrying about 
installing it - left hand board led lights up only.



File manager tells me there is exactly nothing on the card.

Gparted tells me that there now no partitions on the card.

Now - what I am not sure of is whether I have other bugs on this 
12.10 system I run causing all this lol



Elfy, what's 'sudo fdisk l' show.? /dev/sdd is your usb disk right? 
:-) And yes, after your run the dd command, the usb disk should have 
partitions on it and files..one is a boot partititon, athe other 
contains the installer and files.


Nicholas

Whoops - there's a blank one flying about too ...

Anyway - this is fdisk/umount/dd and then fdisk again

sudo fdisk -l
[sudo] password for hob:

...

Disk /dev/sdd: 7948 MB, 7948206080 bytes
245 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1021 cylinders, total 15523840 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
hob@sidh:~$ sudo umount /dev/sdc
umount: /dev/sdc: not mounted
hob@sidh:~$ cd Desktop/
hob@sidh:~/Desktop$ sudo dd bs=4M
if=quantal-desktop-armhf+omap4.img of=/dev/sdd ; sudo sync
5+1 records in
5+1 records out
22740992 bytes (23 MB) copied, 1.93299 s, 11.8 MB/s
hob@sidh:~/Desktop$ sudo fdisk -l

...

Disk /dev/sdd: 7948 MB, 7948206080 bytes
245 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1021 cylinders, total 15523840 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
hob@sidh:~/Desktop$






You umounted /dev/sdc :-) You have to unmount a parition anyways, so it 
would be something like /dev/sdd1, etc. Try putting a partition on 
/dev/sdd , making sure you can mount it, and then issuing the dd 
command. Obviously it will be wiped by dd, but let's  confirm the disk 
is working.



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Re: ARM Wiki sd-install update

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 08/27/2012 10:01 AM, Elfy wrote:

On 20/08/12 23:46, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:


For those of you braving ARM installations, I tried an sd-based 
installation this week and updated the instructions on the wiki page. 
Elfy, Carla, et la, I can confirm your findings of this bug(s):


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1036742
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1036988
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-installer/+bug/313452

and the workaround. It's documented for now on the page:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/QA/Pandaboard

Thanks!
Nicholas



Got today's .img

Tried following the wiki to the letter.

I am almost positive I am doing something wrong here :)

I do *sudo umount /dev/sdd

*I do *sudo dd bs=4M if=quantal-desktop-armhf+omap4.img of=/dev/sdd ; 
sudo sync


*It looks like it's doing something - terminal tells me it's done 
something.


If I try to just boot the image on the card without worrying about 
installing it - left hand board led lights up only.



File manager tells me there is exactly nothing on the card.

Gparted tells me that there now no partitions on the card.

Now - what I am not sure of is whether I have other bugs on this 12.10 
system I run causing all this lol



Elfy, what's 'sudo fdisk l' show.? /dev/sdd is your usb disk right? :-) 
And yes, after your run the dd command, the usb disk should have 
partitions on it and files..one is a boot partititon, athe other 
contains the installer and files.


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Re: Greetings!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 08/24/2012 09:03 AM, Jim Adams wrote:

Hello:
My name is Jim Adams.  I have been an avid user of Ubuntu for serveral 
years now and have used the bleeding edge for as much as possible 
(hoping to get warnings prior to running my daily 'apt-get 
dist-upgrade' when scary Xserver bugs are unleashed) and I have been 
very impressed with the stability even on alpha releases that I have 
run on my primary laptop.
I have been out of the loop for a while and didn't get to play much 
with 12.04 prior to the GA, but I'd like to help in a little way I can 
with the next one in the pipe.
My only connect to Ubuntu outside of being an OS geek by nature is 
Jono Bacon (who I play music with in Severed Fifth). I've talked to 
him from time to time about my experiences with the OS, and he 
suggested I sign up to be more visible to the rest of the 
communityso here I am. :-)
So far, I can only take credit for finding one bug...back in the 11.10 
(or was it 11.04?) branch.   If I remember correctly is was a funky 
kernel bug with 'lshw'.   I was surprised when I filed the report and 
wasn't the 20th person to mention it.
I'm no dev/scripting champion...just your average Ops Admin with the 
majority of my days spent managing storage fun in the Valley.   I'll 
try to be as clear as possible if/when I have anything to share, but 
with my lack of programming, I may find it a challenge at times.   
Hopefully I'll get better in that regard by helping the community make 
the best Linux distro for desktops out there. Maybe I can talk 
somebody at Cannonical into focusing more on competing with 
CentOS/RH.  ;-)

Happy Friday.
Jim Adams
http://www.jimdefied.com


Hello Jim! Glad to have you! Have a look at our wiki page if you haven't 
yet, particularly the 'Next Steps' section. Look through the activities 
page, and depending on your time and interest have a look at the 
qatracker and the isos and packages out there now available for testing.


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam

Let us know if you need any help, and welcome! Stay tuned to the list 
for special testing events as well. And as always, feel free to ask 
questions.


Have a great weekend,

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Communicating effectively with the QA Community

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Hello everyone! Recently I know many of you have had a rocky August with 
the changes landing in quantal. On top of this, the testing needs this 
cycle have never been greater with lots of requests for testing and 
milestones occurring. To complicate matters further, changes landed in 
quantal that caused many of you grief -- and for the most part without 
warning. Indeed, this issue has occurred as well during iso-testing 
events with confusion occurring on when and what we are testing.


First, I wanted everyone to know I consider this critical to the future 
success of our team and indeed the greater ubuntu community. I've 
undertaken the steps to start the conversation, but this will be a 
process with bumps along the way. To start the conversation, I 
approached the topic with the release team during there weekly meeting. 
The release team coordinates all ubuntu releases, and helps oversee the 
milestone testing events as well as the changes that go into the archive 
after feature freeze. I then followed up with a discussion on the 
ubuntu-release mailing list. You can find my reply here:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001817.html

I summarized what I believe was a typical experience for some of you. 
Namely, the issues with the removal of unity2d and the xorg changes 
meant you couldn't test in a VM or on your real hardware. And further, 
you didn't know of this was going to occur, and maybe even spent time 
troubleshooting your setup to no avail. This is a failure to adequately 
communicate what was happening in development.


So what can be done? Is there good news? Indeed there is! I have both a 
shorter-term and a longer-term idea for tackling this communication 
issue. I'd love your hear your ideas as well! Please do share! In 
addition, I hope to continue to shape the overall development process to 
make the qa community play a more central role. That dream cannot be 
realized without the excellent work and support from you all.


As to the short term idea, in general I try to get wind of impactful 
changes and share them with all of you. I think perhaps this could be 
made into a more official bit of news with information coming out on 
pending changes at regular intervals. This will require some changes 
with ensuring I can get more information to digest and share, but I 
think it's a good idea that we can implement right now.


The longer term idea is to pursue a technical solution that could run on 
your development desktop. The information would be the same, simply 
delivered to you instead of you needing to go find it :-) The idea is 
still very early; I have no spec, though I share a few more details in 
the post above. If your interested in helping make this happen, please 
do get in touch with me.


So in closing, I want you to know I consider this issue of extreme 
importance. I am sorry for the bad experiences you may have had, and I 
want to do everything I can to prevent them in the future. You can help 
by thinking critically about how we as a team communicate and what we 
can do to give you and everyone else testing a better experience.


Thank you, and as always /*Happy*/! Testing.

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] qa Tracker ahead of Spins?

[Nicholas Skaggs]

FYI, the "notice board" is located at the top of 
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/.. I have been encouraging it's use for 
pertinent information regarding the images, such as what we're talking 
about below and things like respins, etc.


Currently it reads:


   "Notice board

Currently some images are failing to build and overall images may fail 
to build occasionally for the next week (week of August 27th) or so. 
Many new features are landing in the wake of beta and feature freeze. 
Expect breakage and/or missing images when testing."


Thanks!

Nicholas

On 08/24/2012 01:37 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

Because your so awesome Lance and Greg I chased this down for you :-)

I have asked for the ubuntu server images are being rebuilt -- fingers 
crossed they will build now. Lubuntu/xubuntu/mythstudio and perhaps 
others have been failing to build due to the gtk2 indicators package, 
indicator-application-gtk2. I know work is being done to fix this.


Again, due to FF and milestones, expect breakage ;-) I've updated the 
noticed board to say as much.


Nicholas

On 08/24/2012 01:18 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
It would appear that some builds are indeed broken. No, your not in 
la-la land :-) However, what happened with the qatracker itself? 
Please do file bugs against the tracker if you find something like 
that: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+filebug. There's a 
handy link at the bottom of the site: "Report a problem with this 
website <https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+filebug>"


I did get stgraber to clean-up the precise builds so that should be 
all set to released now. It's been a long week for me, I don't plan 
to touch any images until next Monday. The ARM images should be ready 
by then as well for testing, so it should be a good start to the 
week. For those of you still braving the images today, do note the 
fact several may not be available or otherwise be broken. Greg and 
Lance I see lubuntu failed to build yesterday for instance.


Next week should see the new unity we've been testing this week land, 
as well as other desktop stuff (webapps) in advance  (err a little 
late!) of feature freeze. It's going to be chaotic. Expect breakage 
for a week or so until beta.


Nicholas

On 08/24/2012 12:15 AM, Lance wrote:

Right now I'm showing only 0821 live images on the QA tracker:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds

But the QA tracker has 0823 alternate images, and the dailies show 
no alternate images at all:


http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20120821/

Maybe a glitch

Lance

--- On *Thu, 8/23/12, Greg Faith //* wrote:


    From: Greg Faith 
Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] qa Tracker ahead of Spins?
To: "Nicholas Skaggs" , "Ubuntu
Mailing list" ,
lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 9:59 PM

So I decided to do a few live sessions on Ubuntu quantal amd64 just
now the qa-trackers show the current 20120823 but the downloads most
current is 20120822 ?? Anyway I had a few bugs and could not log the
test on qa-tracker strange days indeed or is this normal and I have
been in la-la land.

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] qa Tracker ahead of Spins?

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Because your so awesome Lance and Greg I chased this down for you :-)

I have asked for the ubuntu server images are being rebuilt -- fingers 
crossed they will build now. Lubuntu/xubuntu/mythstudio and perhaps 
others have been failing to build due to the gtk2 indicators package, 
indicator-application-gtk2. I know work is being done to fix this.


Again, due to FF and milestones, expect breakage ;-) I've updated the 
noticed board to say as much.


Nicholas

On 08/24/2012 01:18 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
It would appear that some builds are indeed broken. No, your not in 
la-la land :-) However, what happened with the qatracker itself? 
Please do file bugs against the tracker if you find something like 
that: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+filebug. There's a 
handy link at the bottom of the site: "Report a problem with this 
website <https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+filebug>"


I did get stgraber to clean-up the precise builds so that should be 
all set to released now. It's been a long week for me, I don't plan to 
touch any images until next Monday. The ARM images should be ready by 
then as well for testing, so it should be a good start to the week. 
For those of you still braving the images today, do note the fact 
several may not be available or otherwise be broken. Greg and Lance I 
see lubuntu failed to build yesterday for instance.


Next week should see the new unity we've been testing this week land, 
as well as other desktop stuff (webapps) in advance  (err a little 
late!) of feature freeze. It's going to be chaotic. Expect breakage 
for a week or so until beta.


Nicholas

On 08/24/2012 12:15 AM, Lance wrote:

Right now I'm showing only 0821 live images on the QA tracker:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds

But the QA tracker has 0823 alternate images, and the dailies show no 
alternate images at all:


http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20120821/

Maybe a glitch

Lance

--- On *Thu, 8/23/12, Greg Faith //* wrote:


From: Greg Faith 
Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] qa Tracker ahead of Spins?
To: "Nicholas Skaggs" , "Ubuntu
Mailing list" ,
lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 9:59 PM

So I decided to do a few live sessions on Ubuntu quantal amd64 just
now the qa-trackers show the current 20120823 but the downloads most
current is 20120822 ?? Anyway I had a few bugs and could not log the
test on qa-tracker strange days indeed or is this normal and I have
been in la-la land.

Greg nm_geo

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] qa Tracker ahead of Spins?

[Nicholas Skaggs]

It would appear that some builds are indeed broken. No, your not in 
la-la land :-) However, what happened with the qatracker itself? Please 
do file bugs against the tracker if you find something like that: 
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+filebug. There's a handy link 
at the bottom of the site: "Report a problem with this website 
<https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+filebug>"


I did get stgraber to clean-up the precise builds so that should be all 
set to released now. It's been a long week for me, I don't plan to touch 
any images until next Monday. The ARM images should be ready by then as 
well for testing, so it should be a good start to the week. For those of 
you still braving the images today, do note the fact several may not be 
available or otherwise be broken. Greg and Lance I see lubuntu failed to 
build yesterday for instance.


Next week should see the new unity we've been testing this week land, as 
well as other desktop stuff (webapps) in advance  (err a little late!) 
of feature freeze. It's going to be chaotic. Expect breakage for a week 
or so until beta.


Nicholas

On 08/24/2012 12:15 AM, Lance wrote:

Right now I'm showing only 0821 live images on the QA tracker:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds

But the QA tracker has 0823 alternate images, and the dailies show no 
alternate images at all:


http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20120821/

Maybe a glitch

Lance

--- On *Thu, 8/23/12, Greg Faith //* wrote:


From: Greg Faith 
Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] qa Tracker ahead of Spins?
To: "Nicholas Skaggs" , "Ubuntu
Mailing list" ,
lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 9:59 PM

So I decided to do a few live sessions on Ubuntu quantal amd64 just
now the qa-trackers show the current 20120823 but the downloads most
current is 20120822 ?? Anyway I had a few bugs and could not log the
test on qa-tracker strange days indeed or is this normal and I have
been in la-la land.

Greg nm_geo

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Calls for Testing -- Thank you!

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I wanted to circle back with everyone to say thank you again for the 
great work we've done this cycle. As we continue to get new software 
coming out for specific focused testing events, some of the older calls 
have ended. With that in mind, let's take a look at what we achieved.


Webapps Testing for the new webapps features landing in unity. 16 people 
submitted 83 results and filed 18 bugs. Great work!


siddhanathan
fabiomarconi
mscout2004
davmor2
jpickett
barneedhar
carla-sella
shishimaru
prakas-88
davidpatenaude24
phanimahesh
gaspy-89
halogs999
zurwolf
takluyver
cjnucette-gmail

Pulseaudio testing for the new pulseaudio release stack. 12 people 
provided 14 results and tada! didn't find any bugs :) Great work on 
vetting out the new code. (we don't like audio stack regressions!)


siddhanathan
nskaggs
robinc
lonniehenry-gmail
carla-sella
fabiomarconi
jfernyhough
ghane
mscout2004
thinkndev
mc3man
cariboo907

Finally, even though the kernel testing is on-going (until 12.04.2), I 
want to especially thank those people who have continued to test and run 
these kernels. 38 people have submitted 72 results and filed 22 bugs.


carla-sella
israeldahl
ironpatriotny
atreyv
nick-athens30
ubuntuqa
howefield
shashanksingh28
wojox
ubuntu-com-tommywatson
tealeg
elfy
larrypg
kiall
sjskaggs
cpatrick08
robinc
venomenus
ayres-phil
matt-lavin
jerrylamos
jorge
liquidplay
gregfaith
salema
modenas88
jiri-podvolecky
nskaggs
siliconjey
hanson4288
tommy-trussell
ratcheer
jtl
barneedhar
anapodos
jaywink
ghisvail
jamesgifford


Thank you! Now most importantly, I want to make sure this testing was a 
good and positive experience for all those who participated. As always, 
your feedback on the good, bad, and the ugly is appreciated. Thanks 
everyone!


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ARM Testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Good news for those running ARM. The 3d-driver and compiz changes 
required to have unity running again (in 3d!) on pandaboards is landing 
this week. (There's also ALOT of kernel changes). The images on Monday 
should be ready for testing purposes. I would hold off on testing any 
images until then. Whoever has a crack at them first, let the rest of us 
know how it goes. Thanks to jimerickson for noticing the pending changes :-)



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Re: 12.04.1 ISO Testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

There's been a respin of the alternate images for this bug:

LP:1039828 . package fontconfig-config 2.8.0-3ubuntu9 failed to 
install/upgrade, makes system with that package fail to upgrade (LTS-to-LTS)


Note it was found while upgrading an LTS->LTS without a network connection.

Nicholas


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Re: problems with ubuntu-bug

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Carla, are you able to use apport-collect?

Nicholas


On 08/22/2012 08:53 AM, Carla Sella wrote:

Hello,
I am testing "Unity GSetting Migration in Unity for Unity & Compiz
Testing" and I have reported a bug using ubuntu-bug unity.
After having filled in the bug report I clicked on submit bug, but I
got a message saying that there was one error, I tried a bit
everything but couldn't get the bug submitted.
So I opened a bug using launchpad (bug #1040049), now I was trying to
submit some data using ubuntu-bug -u 1040049 to help with more info,
but when I launch this command in the terminal window I get this
error:
ERROR: The launchpadlib Python module is not installed. This
functionality is not available.
I installed python-launchpadlib and also python-launchpadlib-toolkit,
but when I use ubuntu-bug -u bug-number I keep on getting the same
error.
I am doing this on a new install of Quantal Alpha3 on a partition on
my PC with all updates applied and after having added the
ppa:timo-jyrinki/prerelease for Unity testing.
I used to use ubuntu-bug -u without problems.
What can I do to submit more information for the bug I just opened ?


Carla Sella
email: carla.se...@gmail.com
https://launchpad.net/~carla-sella




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Re: Unity Testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Sanchit, you can use the alpha3 iso, then install the ppa and do the 
dist-upgrade (in fact, I JUST did this). It will work perfectly fine. 
Any quantal iso can be used, as after installaton, running a 
dist-upgrade will upgrade the installation to the current packages found 
in the archive. Testing with ppa's is best done when your system is up 
to date with the archive.. That's the idea :-) Cheers,


Nicholas


On 08/21/2012 01:11 PM, Sanchit Gangwar wrote:
The Unity Testing page says that the tester should be running the 
latest version of Quantal. Does this mean the daily release or the 
Alpha 3 version?





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Cadence Testing -- my thoughts on how the cycle has gone

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I know, lots of emails today -- it's quite a week to be in QA :-)

We've been chatting on and off via the list about this idea of cadence 
testing, and the struggles we've hit. I wanted to share my thoughts and 
ideas on what's gone right and what's gone wrong with cadence testing 
this cycle.


http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/08/the-grand-cadence-experiment.html

Secondly, I want to say a big thank you to everyone who participated in 
these cadence testing events. They were a mass of confusion and pain for 
you, I know. We learned many things from executing the events, and I'm 
proud to say together we achieved what was asked of us. Going forward 
however, I'd like us to continue the conversation of bringing in value 
and being a larger part of the release process. My goal is to keep you 
informed about what's going on so that can happen. We'll keep iterating 
forward!


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Call for Testing: Compiz & Unity

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Unity testing! This bas been my favorite testing each cycle -- I just 
love seeing the new stuff come out. A new version of unity has arrived, 
stock full of compiz fixes. The team has removed metacity completely, 
and also migrated to gsettings from gconf. The result is removal of 
unity2d, and the enablement of llvmpipe on unity for those running 
without hardware acceleration.


The gsettings migration especially needs to be tested, and is the 
primary testcase. In addition, there are some multi-monitor unity bugs 
to help triage if you are able. Sadly, I just upgraded to a one monitor 
display from my dual monitors last cycle, so I can't speak to 
multi-monitor unity anymore.


Full details on my blog: 
http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/08/call-for-testing-compiz-unity.html


Happy Testing!

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Re: 12.04.1 ISO Testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Thanks everyone who has already helped with the testing! I saw some 
great bugs being found and worked -- on upgrades and inside the 
installer. Excellent work! If you've not yet submitted a result, 
consider executing a testcase that still needs to be run.


victor.zhou
jibel
fabiomarconi
psivaa
jr
smartboyhw
lbsolost
carla-sella
stgraber
patrickdk
claudio.arseni
liquidplay
jjfrv8-gmail
mcblackmar02
len-ovenwerks
fabrizioorsini
kitterman
luigitanese
bturner01
alessiogrossosgarrillo
kanliot

We still have need of someone who can help with the amd64+mac images
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds/21390/testcases
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds/21400/testcases

Sadly I don't have hardware here to help out with this :-( If you have 
hardware and are able to help, consider submitting a result. Thanks 
everyone!


Nicholas

On 08/21/2012 03:20 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

On 2012-08-21 03:37, Karl Anliot wrote:

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Nio Wiklund  wrote:

 A
couple of weeks ago I failed to install Lubuntu 12.04 from the live CD
into a 512 MB RAM computer of a friend.

The graphical installer really shouldn't be locking up on 512MB, it
should be erroring out instead.  The problem is, the lockups aren't
consistent, unless you use the manual partitioning.

This is a severe problem, especially for 1st time users.  I've filed a bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1038248


Thanks for the tips Karl,

If I remember correctly it was an early 64-bit AMD processor, and it ran
beautifully live with Lubuntu 64 bit.

I tried also to install directly without first booting the live desktop.
I had done manual partitioning before using gparted, still no go until I
used the alternate CD.

Best regards
Nio



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ARM Wiki sd-install update

[Nicholas Skaggs]

For those of you braving ARM installations, I tried an sd-based 
installation this week and updated the instructions on the wiki page. 
Elfy, Carla, et la, I can confirm your findings of this bug(s):


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1036742
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1036988
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-installer/+bug/313452

and the workaround. It's documented for now on the page:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/QA/Pandaboard

Thanks!
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Re: 12.04.1 ISO Testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Nio, don't worry! The alternate cd's for the ubuntu flavors are being 
retained. I know for a fact lubuntu is keeping alternate cd's -- my 
guess is xubuntu will also. I haven't heard confirmation from any flavor 
that they are dropping them -- it's a flavor specific decision what 
images to ship.The mini and netboot iso's are sticking around, so those 
wishing to install ubutun on a lower spec'd machine still have options. 
That said, the installer team is still working on ubiquity, and when the 
alternate cd's are completely dropped, more information as far as 
options for what ubiquity doesn't support should be made available. Thanks,



Nicholas


On 08/20/2012 01:56 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

I find the alternate iso files useful for old computers with low RAM. A
couple of weeks ago I failed to install Lubuntu 12.04 from the live CD
into a 512 MB RAM computer of a friend.

That computer has good graphics and a fair CPU, so the alternate iso
file helped me to make a responsive computer of a sluggish one. WinXP
was just too much for it, and my friend does not want to spend money on
RAM for such an old computer. It was just standing there as a
letter-press but now her children can use it for internet tasks
including games.

So please help the alternate iso files survive at least for the
light-weight flavours Lubuntu and Xubuntu! Or introduce a text mode
installer into the standard live iso files?!

Best regards
sudodus alias nio

ps/
What about the mini iso?
/ds

On 2012-08-20 17:28, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

I almost forgot -- since this is 12.04.1, the alternate images are a
part of this release :-) Don't forget them! I'm in quantal mode and
didn't even think when I saw them.

FYI, for quantal, we are attempting to reduce our image count (to make
our testing easier and reduce fragmentation for bugs and issues). The
alternate images (for ubuntu) are targeted to be dropped. More
discussions on this will happen during beta, when ubiquity should have
all the changes necessary to support the functionality found in the alt
images.

Thanks,

Nicholas


On 08/20/2012 10:49 AM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

As many of you noticed (and tested already, awesome!), the 12.04.1
isos are out on the isotracker:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds

Right on schedule:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock

Please fill in where you can. I know it was a long weekend of server
moving, etc, so I didn't put out the general call to test until today
when the dust settled. Those of you that braved the move, and tested
anyway I trust made it through ok :-)

Right now I'd like to see so more 10.04.4 -> 12.04.1 upgrade testing
(especially on a non-default installation). This can be accomplished
by installing a base 10.04.4 image and modifying typical things, such
as changing wallpaper, adding some non-default packages, etc. In
addition, the amd64+mac images are available for those of you who have
hardware that matches :-) It always needs a little love.

Respins are going to be avoided at all costs, but please, be on the
look out for major bugs and report them when found. 12.04.1 is a point
release update to a stable LTS -- we need to do our best to have this
be as bug free as possible.

Anyone new to isotesting, or what it is we're doing, please send back
a mail :-) And reference the wiki for help:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough

Thanks!

Nicholas



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Re: 12.04.1 ISO Testing

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I almost forgot -- since this is 12.04.1, the alternate images are a 
part of this release :-) Don't forget them! I'm in quantal mode and 
didn't even think when I saw them.


FYI, for quantal, we are attempting to reduce our image count (to make 
our testing easier and reduce fragmentation for bugs and issues). The 
alternate images (for ubuntu) are targeted to be dropped. More 
discussions on this will happen during beta, when ubiquity should have 
all the changes necessary to support the functionality found in the alt 
images.


Thanks,

Nicholas


On 08/20/2012 10:49 AM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
As many of you noticed (and tested already, awesome!), the 12.04.1 
isos are out on the isotracker:


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds

Right on schedule:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock

Please fill in where you can. I know it was a long weekend of server 
moving, etc, so I didn't put out the general call to test until today 
when the dust settled. Those of you that braved the move, and tested 
anyway I trust made it through ok :-)


Right now I'd like to see so more 10.04.4 -> 12.04.1 upgrade testing 
(especially on a non-default installation). This can be accomplished 
by installing a base 10.04.4 image and modifying typical things, such 
as changing wallpaper, adding some non-default packages, etc. In 
addition, the amd64+mac images are available for those of you who have 
hardware that matches :-) It always needs a little love.


Respins are going to be avoided at all costs, but please, be on the 
look out for major bugs and report them when found. 12.04.1 is a point 
release update to a stable LTS -- we need to do our best to have this 
be as bug free as possible.


Anyone new to isotesting, or what it is we're doing, please send back 
a mail :-) And reference the wiki for help:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough

Thanks!

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Re: Facebook Page

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I would point out and clarify I don't want to see any technical 
discussion moved off this list and migrating somewhere else -- I don't 
think we're at risk of that happening. The FB and g+ pages will serve as 
open-ended ads to point back to the group and it's "normal" 
communication channels.


With that said, I also am not a big FB fan. I don't even have an account 
(and fyi, I won't be joining the group for that reason) :-) However, I 
am happy to see those who participate in that social medium putting 
forth an effort to reach others in the same medium. In other words, if 
your a big ubuntu forums poster, I'd love to see you add a link to 
information about the ubuntu qa team in your signature, and perhaps open 
threads about it. If your into reddit, post, comment, and upvote QA 
stuff. If your a blogger (or even if your not!), consider blogging about 
the team and your work on it. If your a ubuntu member, link your blog to 
ubuntu planet and other link and blogrolls to increase your exposure. If 
your on twitter, follow @ubuntutesting, and tweet about what's going on.


What that doesn't mean is that everyone on the team should rush to make 
a FB account and join the group. Rather, anyone active on FB and using 
it could consider joining the group to help promote what we do and who 
we are. If your not on FB, g+, twitter, or anything that gets setup, 
please don't feel obligated to join in that social media in order to 
participate. This mailing list remains our primary communication 
channel.. If your on the LP team, and subscribed here, your "in". Don't 
feel like your missing out because your not on every social medium.



Nicholas

On 08/20/2012 06:33 AM, Gema Gomez wrote:

On 20/08/12 11:26, Phill Whiteside wrote:

there is on Facebook a subtle but important difference between open,
private & hidden. A private group is advertised to all, but requires
acceptance to join. The reason I chose private is that it does reduce
the attacks by spammers. As we all have better things to do than run
around cleaning up after spammers, that is why I chose private.

I didn't know that, Phill, thanks for the info! So anyone can see what's
going on as long as they have a FB user but they need to go through
scrutiny (i.e. deciding if they are spammers) to join, right?

Sounds good.

In any case, I have decided to un-join the group in support of our users
that cannot follow us in FB and my own conviction that it is not the
right thing to do to have technical conversations there. I can spare
myself the advertisement, since I follow things closely on IRC and
mailing anyway.

Thanks,
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12.04.1 ISO Testing

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As many of you noticed (and tested already, awesome!), the 12.04.1 isos 
are out on the isotracker:


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds

Right on schedule:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock

Please fill in where you can. I know it was a long weekend of server 
moving, etc, so I didn't put out the general call to test until today 
when the dust settled. Those of you that braved the move, and tested 
anyway I trust made it through ok :-)


Right now I'd like to see so more 10.04.4 -> 12.04.1 upgrade testing 
(especially on a non-default installation). This can be accomplished by 
installing a base 10.04.4 image and modifying typical things, such as 
changing wallpaper, adding some non-default packages, etc. In addition, 
the amd64+mac images are available for those of you who have hardware 
that matches :-) It always needs a little love.


Respins are going to be avoided at all costs, but please, be on the look 
out for major bugs and report them when found. 12.04.1 is a point 
release update to a stable LTS -- we need to do our best to have this be 
as bug free as possible.


Anyone new to isotesting, or what it is we're doing, please send back a 
mail :-) And reference the wiki for help:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough

Thanks!

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Nvidia Driver Woes

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Some folks ran into this over the weekend, and I've heard enough about 
it that I thought a mail wouldn't hurt :-) For those running quantal, a 
new X stack has landed that breaks the nvidia driver. For now, the 
driver has been disabled. Read more:


https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-August/035635.html

Options are to revert to nouveau or avoid the upgrade (if you haven't 
yet :-) ) If this affected you, feel free to post if you need help in 
recovering your system :-)


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Re: installer broken

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Jackson, is this for the quantal builds? or 12.04.1?

Nicholas

On 08/17/2012 05:42 PM, Jackson Doak wrote:
do any of todays daily builds install? both i've used froze 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1038283)


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Re: Facebook Page

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I opened the g+ page as well:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/108452779163647535106/108452779163647535106/posts

So we need some artwork for these pages! Do we have some artists among 
us who could contribute? I asked Phil to ask the artist who provided the 
lubuntu designs to come up with something. Once we have some art, I'll 
list all of these locations on our wiki, and then promote them. Thanks!


Nicholas


On 08/17/2012 03:55 PM, Sanchit Gangwar wrote:

It'd be great if it reopens.

> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:56:03 -0400
> Subject: Re: Facebook Page
> From: pvill...@gmail.com
> To: nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
> CC: ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com
>
> Hello,
>
> We also have the udsqa account on identi.ca, with that account we used
> to announce bug days, meetings, etc, I'm sure Carlos or Brian can help
> you out with the password (its on the canonical internal wiki) and
> probably we could just change the name (if that's possible on
> identi.ca) to something like "ubuntuqa".
>
> Have a nice day!,
>
> pedro.
>
> 2012/8/17 Nicholas Skaggs :
> > Good ideas everyone ;-) I am on google plus, and we could start a page
> > easily enough there. If you didn't already know it, there's also a
> > @ubuntutesting twitter account. In addition I would like to encourage
> > everyone to use things like reddit, the forums, blogs, etc to 
write about
> > there experiences and the group. There's a lot to talk about and 
people to

> > reach :-) Cheers,
> >
> > Nicholas
> >
> >
> >
> > On 08/17/2012 08:09 AM, Ho Wan Chan wrote:
> >
> > I'm in for Google+
> >
> > 2012/8/17 Carla Sella 
> >>
> >> On 08/17/2012 05:41 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi guys & gals,
> >>
> >> as a part of Nicholas's questionaire one thing that had been 
previously
> >> discussed was how does QA advertise itself. We have bounced a 
couple of
> >> ideas about. One of them has actually arrived, albeit in a beta 
version. [1]
> >> Nicholas will quite easily say that he is not a FaceBook person, 
and in all

> >> honesty, I am only because of Lubuntu [2]. [3].
> >>
> >> The group is 'permissive' so that only admins may accept new 
members, this
> >> has been previously shown to me to be effective in reducing spam 
attacks & I
> >> would like to keep to keep it that way. For this to continue we 
will need

> >> more admins!
> >>
> >> Hopefully there are other members of the QA group who are also 
familiar
> >> with looking after a fb group account. The banner will be done 
once we
> >> decide if we do decide to use FaceBook to improve our rating of 
"What,

> >> there, is a QA team?" score on the recent survey.
> >>
> >> I now retire and await for world war three to break out :)
> >>
> >> Nah, just joking, but please give your thoughts & if you think it 
will be
> >> useful as an area to introduce people to QA, have a chat, point 
new commers

> >> into QA, then please ask to be an admin.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Phill.
> >> 1. https://www.facebook.com/groups/432347580138081/
> >> P.S. we need ~20 members to have the name changed from 
"432347580138081"

> >> to "Ubuntu QA" Please join :)
> >> 2. https://www.facebook.com/Lubuntu.Official.Page
> >> 3. https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Great!
> >> What about Google+, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a Google+ 
QA group

> >> page.
> >>
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Re: QA Testing at LoCo events

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Elizabeth, this sounds like a great idea to do. I think we globally as a 
QA team could help pitch in here. For instance, there is also a package 
tracker and we have the ability to test individual packages as well. 
During the jam we might consider having people test the new kernel, 
unity, or perhaps the default desktop applications. For flavors, you too 
could join in on the fun easily as well. Those short-test and long-test 
wiki pages could be incorporated as a testcase so they end up on the 
integrated into the tracker, making it easier for you to test and see 
results.


The package tracker is here:
packages.qa.ubuntu.com

Thoughts?

Nicholas

On 08/16/2012 05:15 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hiyas lyz,

I'm working with Nicholas in getting stuff from the lubuntu area [1] 
At the end of this, I hope that each flavour will have its own 
'specifics' area, with links to the main QA area so as to remove the 
strain on the flavours of keep trying to update everything. I am aware 
of the Xubuntu area, and look forward to working with you guys & gals 
on this project. I'm sure you understand that it is no small undertaking!


Regards,

Phill.

1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing



On 16 August 2012 20:04, Elizabeth Krumbach > wrote:


On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Sanchit Gangwar
mailto:sanchitgang...@outlook.com>>
wrote:
> Can you please also post those videos on the mailing list or the
wiki and
> provide a link?

These are the two I'm referring to:

ISO Testing on Ubuntu using TestDrive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noDAsZjvmSA

Overview of using the qatracker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyCE5e0nxE

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Re: ARM - installs

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Elfy, Carla, Jim, and myself are having the same issues that you are 
having with this. Hang in there! It's not something your doing, the 
images themselves are in a non-working state it seems.



Nicholas

On 08/16/2012 08:53 PM, Elfy wrote:

I am having a complete nightmare :(

I've not got one daily to load and allow me to install - they've all 
been failing on ubiquity before the live get's to a state to do 
anything at all.


I have managed to get the alpha3 to install perfectly ok.

If I update and upgrade that leaves me at a desktop with no launcher, 
no ability to start a terminal or run one from Alt+F2


I have though been able to run the gnome-classic desktop's from the 
updated a3.


Is it something I'm doing ...

These are all being installled to the sdcard not a usb stick.

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Re: Facebook Page

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Good ideas everyone ;-) I am on google plus, and we could start a page 
easily enough there. If you didn't already know it, there's also a 
@ubuntutesting twitter account. In addition I would like to encourage 
everyone to use things like reddit, the forums, blogs, etc to write 
about there experiences and the group. There's a lot to talk about and 
people to reach :-) Cheers,


Nicholas


On 08/17/2012 08:09 AM, Ho Wan Chan wrote:

I'm in for Google+

2012/8/17 Carla Sella >


On 08/17/2012 05:41 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hi guys & gals,

as a part of Nicholas's questionaire one thing that had been
previously discussed was how does QA advertise itself. We have
bounced a couple of ideas about. One of them has actually
arrived, albeit in a beta version. [1]  Nicholas will quite
easily say that he is not a FaceBook person, and in all honesty,
I am only because of Lubuntu [2]. [3].

The group is 'permissive' so that only admins may accept new
members, this has been previously shown to me to be effective in
reducing spam attacks & I would like to keep to keep it that way.
For this to continue we will need more admins!

Hopefully there are other members of the QA group who are also
familiar with looking after a fb group account. The banner will
be done once we decide if we do decide to use FaceBook to improve
our rating of "What, there, is a QA team?" score on the recent
survey.

I now retire and await for world war three to break out :)

Nah, just joking, but please give your thoughts & if you think it
will be useful as an area to introduce people to QA, have a chat,
point new commers into QA, then please ask to be an admin.

Thanks,

Phill.
1. https://www.facebook.com/groups/432347580138081/
P.S. we need ~20 members to have the name changed from
"432347580138081
" to "Ubuntu
QA" Please join :)
2. https://www.facebook.com/Lubuntu.Official.Page
3. https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/



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What about Google+, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a Google+ QA
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Survey Results

[Nicholas Skaggs]

The results to the quality survey I undertook a few weeks back are in:

http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/08/quality-perceptions-survey-results.html

Thank you to all who participated. There are some takeaways from the 
survey and I'll likely be continuing to post more addressing the 
questions and comments raised.


The important takeaway here is that we as a QA community in ubuntu have 
the ability to take ubuntu to the next level. There is so much 
potential. Sometimes it's easy to get lost in the weeds of technical 
issues or problems we all face. No, everything isn't perfect :-) 
However, I look forward to continuing to drive ubuntu towards delivering 
better and better experiences for all of us.


Nicholas



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Re: alpha3

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Arvind, you can boot your system in rescue mode and access a command 
line that way. Does the system boot at all? I'd need more information to 
recommend the easiest way to recover.


Nicholas

On 08/16/2012 07:58 AM, Arvind Gupta wrote:

HI
   I have upgraded to alpha3 by update-manager -d. It stops at 
network-manager start/running process 1019


How can I access terminal and can sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?

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Re: ARM - daily install to SDCARD

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 08/15/2012 01:03 PM, Elfy wrote:

On 15/08/12 17:49, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

On 08/15/2012 06:16 AM, Elfy wrote:

On 15/08/12 09:56, Elfy wrote:

On 15/08/12 00:56, C de-Avillez wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:36:29 +0100
Elfy  wrote:


Trying to install to sdcard - it sees the free space - allows me to
create partition/s as required.

Then the install fails after trying to unmount /cdrom

As far as mount is concerned the image is mounted on /cdrom

Not sure how to proceed with this.

Created this bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1036742

But I'm pretty sure I've seen this trying to install with usb medium
and alternate cd

Elfy


Hi Elfy,

Unfortunately there is no hard data on the bug to allow me to say
anything:
  * we do not have any of the logs for the install (syslog, partman,
Ubiquity debug;
  * we do not know what Ubuntu version you were trying;
  * we do not know the Ubiquity version.

You could try to run 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' on the failing ARM install,
and open a bug with the results; alternatively, you can repeat the
install, and run 'apport-collect 1036742', which would collect this
basic info.

Cheers,

..C..



https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1036988

If it is impossible to actually install to the sdcard that the 
install medium is on then that's fine - need to know one way or the 
other though.


If nothing else the wiki will need editing to reflect that.



Unsurprisingly - it's a duplicate - unfixed.

Seems that if you start the install rolling and then change to a tty 
and


sudo umount -l -r -f /cdrom

and ignore any messages you then get it installs :)

Possibly need to add that to the wiki for people not installing to USB

Elfy





Elfy, are you prepping your sd in advance with a target partition to 
install on, before attempting installation? As mentioned, you can't 
on-the-fly resize your currently running filesystem :-)


Nicholas



Yep - still needed to sudo umount -l -r -f /cdrom to let it carry on.


Ok, I will try an sd based install this week and see how it goes. Feel 
free to add your notes about installing via sd to the wiki -- especially 
if we can confirm this.


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Re: Which Hardware Profile to Post?

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Sanchit, good question. This cycle I have been working towards bringing 
a community hardware database to be utilized for testing purposes like 
this. We might consider including a flag of some sort to indicate that 
you utilized a virtual machine for the testing. At the moment, I have 
been ignoring the hardware profile field when I report virtual machine 
results. If I encounter a bug, I mention I was testing in a VM in the 
bug report (it's also obvious from the logs I believe).


Still, even though I am creating and destroying VM's, I could post the 
generic profile of one, along with the visualization software I use and 
the host machine I'm running. I suppose then that would be my answer -- 
I would put a URL that had both :-) Or leave it blank. It would be 
confusing to put your pc hardware profile in there since you didn't test 
with it.



Nicholas

On 08/15/2012 12:53 PM, Sanchit Gangwar wrote:
While testing, when we encounter a bug, we are required to enter the 
URL of the hardware profile of the computer. If I test on VM, should I 
put the hardware profile of the host computer or the VM?





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Re: ARM - daily install to SDCARD

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 08/15/2012 06:16 AM, Elfy wrote:

On 15/08/12 09:56, Elfy wrote:

On 15/08/12 00:56, C de-Avillez wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:36:29 +0100
Elfy  wrote:


Trying to install to sdcard - it sees the free space - allows me to
create partition/s as required.

Then the install fails after trying to unmount /cdrom

As far as mount is concerned the image is mounted on /cdrom

Not sure how to proceed with this.

Created this bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1036742

But I'm pretty sure I've seen this trying to install with usb medium
and alternate cd

Elfy


Hi Elfy,

Unfortunately there is no hard data on the bug to allow me to say
anything:
  * we do not have any of the logs for the install (syslog, partman,
Ubiquity debug;
  * we do not know what Ubuntu version you were trying;
  * we do not know the Ubiquity version.

You could try to run 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' on the failing ARM install,
and open a bug with the results; alternatively, you can repeat the
install, and run 'apport-collect 1036742', which would collect this
basic info.

Cheers,

..C..



https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1036988

If it is impossible to actually install to the sdcard that the 
install medium is on then that's fine - need to know one way or the 
other though.


If nothing else the wiki will need editing to reflect that.



Unsurprisingly - it's a duplicate - unfixed.

Seems that if you start the install rolling and then change to a tty and

sudo umount -l -r -f /cdrom

and ignore any messages you then get it installs :)

Possibly need to add that to the wiki for people not installing to USB

Elfy





Elfy, are you prepping your sd in advance with a target partition to 
install on, before attempting installation? As mentioned, you can't 
on-the-fly resize your currently running filesystem :-)


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Re:

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Jackson, I'll see what the release team can do about trying to fix this. 
Not sure of all that's involved. Link for those who are curious:


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/837054

Nicholas

On 08/15/2012 05:55 AM, Jackson Doak wrote:
when testing the iso can people please remember to check for bugs 
1034381 and 837054 as they seem to be in every single *buntu install


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Broken Unity

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I broke unity last night -- heh.. There's a new version of unity coming 
this week, and there will be testcases for us to test. I'll be 
announcing a call for testing when it comes.. So head's up.


However, it seems keeping the webapps ppa around is causing some broken 
packages during this transition period. Just a heads up to anyone. You 
can use ppa purge to remove the webapps ppa if you run into upgrade 
issues like myself.


sudo ppa-purge ppa:webapps/preview

Nicholas
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Re: missing mouse

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Jackson, not sure anyone answered you here :-) I've not tested using 
qemu this cycle; perhaps someone else can ring in here. My guess however 
is that there is something going on with qemu, and not in ubuntu. I've 
not seen any reports of a missing mouse before.


Nicholas

On 08/14/2012 04:41 AM, Jackson Doak wrote:
when i'm running iso tests in qemu the mouse randomly 
will disappear permanantly, this doesn't always happen but is 
really annoying. Is this a bug with qemu or ubuntu?


jackson




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